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== Spelling in Tamil == |
== Spelling in Tamil == |
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I changed the spelling of the second word of Sri Lanka's official name from Jananaayaka ( |
I changed the spelling of the second word of Sri Lanka's official name from Jananaayaka ( ஜனநாயக) to Chananaayaka (சனநாயக) correcting with information from the image at the top of the following (non-unicode) webpage [http://www.priu.gov.lk/tamil/TamDefault.htm Government of Sri Lanka Tamil homepage] If that webpage is wrong, please correct it. |
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--[[User:Arun|Arun]] 06:09, Mar 10, 2005 (UTC) |
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A section on religion in Sri Lanka, particularly with respect to the Sinhalese and Tamil, would be very fitting. --[[User:Epl|Epl]] 06:57, 29 December 2005 (UTC) |
A section on religion in Sri Lanka, particularly with respect to the Sinhalese and Tamil, would be very fitting. --[[User:Epl|Epl]] 06:57, 29 December 2005 (UTC) |
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== Indo-Sri Lankan Accord == |
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Substituted at 22:05, 3 May 2016 (UTC) |
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The section does not mention any actual accord. |
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http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/7752_1605741,004100180006.htm |
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"The Sri Lankan government felt cheated because it believed that it was on the verge of crushing the LTTE when the Indians intervened politically and militarily. |
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The LTTE, on the other hand, feared that the accord was but an Indian ploy to thwart its plans to secure an independent "Tamil Eelam". |
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From the mid 1980s, the LTTE has believed that India is basically using Tamil militancy in Sri Lanka only to browbeat Colombo into backing its own geopolitical interests. |
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... India did help the Tamils get a modicum of recognition and power through the unification of the Tamil-speaking North and East and the setting up of a North Eastern Provincial Council (NEPC) with some devolved power under the new 13th amendment to the Sri Lankan constitution. |
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But to the LTTE, the 13th amendment was a far cry from an independent Tamil Eelam. |
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[[User:Pgan002|Pgan002]] 20:46, 23 January 2006 (UTC) |
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== removed some alleged business about rajiv gandhi == |
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someone edit the info about the rajiv gandhi murder by LTTE and put in alleged |
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someone removed the line about rajiv gandhi being murdered by LTTE, and said it was alleged. It is not alleged the indian court some proved it was done by the LTTE and have passed sentence on it. even anton balasigham in a press conference in 2002 accepted it and said it was a regrettable event. |
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I also edited these |
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""Many nations have contributed Tsunami aid to help Sri Lanka but it is alleged that much of the money has been swindled by politicians. It is estimated that only 17% of the relief aid has been spent on what it was intended for."" |
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none of this have been proved, also the politicians have alleged that its the NGO's which are swindling the money. |
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"" In December 2005, following a brutal gang rape and murder of a Tamil woman by Sri Lankan Soldiers ([[Ilayathambi Tharsini]])(such incidents have happened many times before, including [[Krishanti Kumaraswamy]]), "" |
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this has not been proved as done by the navy, only the ltte says so |
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a encyclopedia is not a place for alleged information, it should be based on facts. |
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== Pre-History == |
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Please note this is an Encyclopaedia and not a Buddhism class under a tree in Sri Lanka. Mahavamsa is a myth, and is world renowned for being such. Further the topic of pre-history is hotly debated by many scholars, and any description must include the fate of the Jaffna Library which contained several thousand artefacts, supportive of the Tamil version. |
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== Pre-History Lankaupdate == |
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Yes since those artifacts are no longer avaiible or are around to prove such things you can only assume they supported the Tamil verision, for all we know they have have supported no side, secondly this is not a political debate this is a encyclopedia not a place to rewrite history or too air your personal views. We have to mainatin neutral tone regardless of our own personal opinions, unless you can come up with credible source for such information please stop editing pre-history and other parts of SRi Lankan articles if you are going to make them poltically bias. For example you stated the "Sri Lankn parliament permanantly has a buddhist majority who abuses its power".. this is not porven secondly the North-East areas controlled by LTTE were not allowed to vote becuase of the LTTE ban and intimidation on them. How can this be blamed on others?, it is recorded by most |
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human rights, international observers taht LTTE carried such actions out. Therefore your claims about "permanant majority" are false and secondly you have no creible source to back up such a claim. |
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Thank you |
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== Pre History == |
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Regardless of which side of the coin the artefacts in Jaffna Library may have supported, a mention of the Library and its fate are essential to any neutral account of Pre-History. The fact that the library was burnt down by Sinhala mobs and Sri Lankan MPs, speaks volumes in itself. |
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Secondly, can you name me a non-Sinhala Buddhist President of Sri Lanka? Or even a Prime Minister for that matter. |
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It is widely accepted SWRD came to power in 1956, riding on Sinhala Buddhist sentiments. |
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Look at the census of Sri Lanka; you would know that the island has a Sinhala-Buddhist permanent majority. |
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You also have to accept the fact that the Mahavamsa is a MYTH. |
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Please stop trying to convey the Mahavamsa as a factual chronology, in what is essentially an Encyclopaedia. |
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== Response to Lankaupdate == |
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Not it does not speak volumes they are a few extremists, you can't judge an entire ethnic group ion the basis of a few bad apples. Its fate is not essential as we don't have any account of what it contained specfically. |
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It does not matter, the United Kingdom has never been a non Protestant PM in United KIngdom since it began operating under parliamentary system until Tony Blair who's wife is catholic not him does that mean anything no it does not effect the nation one bit they still do there job regardless of religion. Has the United sates ever had a Hispanic or Black president no, they have not and they have been independant for 230 years? making your point baseless and irrelevant to the matter. Sri Lanka had a Tamil Christian "Kardigmar" as Foriegn minister, until the very same lTTE assassinated him. |
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Yes he campaigned to get votes from Buddhists which is fair any politician would want to get a large share of the votes? He was trying to promote Sinhala culture however he was later killed by those very same Buddhists.. funny how he was shot by a Buddhist Monk. |
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Yes whats wrong with being a majority, every nation has majority.. that doesn't mean anything unless they vote along ethnic or religous lines. USA has a large Protestant majoity yet they voted in JFK who was a Catholic, India has a large Hindu majorty yet they have had three muslim presidents. |
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So it is you who needs to stop conveying myths. |
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== Once Again == |
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Let us not turn into an argument about the rights and wrongs of the Tamil struggle for freedom. |
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The bottom line is regardless of which side of the argument the artefacts in Jaffna Library may have supported; its fate must be mentioned in any neutral description of pre-history. |
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Just because a few rotten politicians were responsible, we can not wipe away that particular event from history. |
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The fact that Sinhala mobs felt it was necessary to burn so many thousands of treasures does indeed speak volumes. |
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Secondly, the Mahavamsa is a MYTH, and that’s not just Tamil propaganda. |
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So please stop trying to portray it as being a factual account of the pre-history of the island of Sri Lanka. |
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There are plenty of websites; Asiantribune; Lankatruth; to name a few, where you can carry on with you mythical banters. |
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Unfortunately this is an Encyclopaedia, and as such articles need to be balanced and factual. |
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== ending Argument == |
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Its is not a myth research and facts prove your statement wrong, however I never said it was Tamil propaganda. I never denied that saying the University was not burnt.. but first when did this protest take place, secondly can you prove it was only Sinhala within those mobs, a neutral source would be very appropiate. |
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The Asia Tribune is bias based on your own opinion, I have read the Asia Tribune once or twice due to links, yes it seems to sometimes carry a slight anti-LTTE tone hardly mean its completely bias. Secondly I have never heard of Lankatruth. |
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I also dont want an arguement either but it seems we are yet to reach an agreement |
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I don’t see any value in continuing a ‘discussion’ about the history of the island of Sri Lanka with someone who believes that the Mahavamsa is a not a myth. |
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== Prehistory == |
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I have added the Tamil version of Prehistory, in order to give a balanced view. |
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I have not made any reference to the burring of the Jaffna Library by Sinhala mobs, as some feel that mentioning the even is not ‘neutral’. |
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Further, if you feel that my contribution needs to be edited or even deleted then please state your reason below. |
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: what made you think all tamils hold the view that the mahavansa is a myth?? did you conduct a census on this ?? |
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:futhermore did you know that the dipavansa has the same information about ravana?? |
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:did you know ravana DID NOT RULE FROM trincomalee?? |
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== SPUR == |
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Please note that this is not an advertisement platform for any one website. |
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One link to the index page to a website or a more specific Sri Lanka page is appropriate. |
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I have seen, and edited several links to the SPUR.ASN website. Several of the site’s pages are being linked from here. |
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This is biased editing, and inappropriate use of Wikipedia. Please stop. |
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== mahavamsa & sinhala == |
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is the word sinhala ever used in mahavamsa??? the first time the word sinhala is used in the 6-7th century, while the mahavamsa was complied long before that. |
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does the mahavamsa tell the history the sinhalese or the history of buddhism?? even the mahavamsa itself says it tells the history of buddhism. |
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so it is wrong to write that the mahavamsa tells the history of the sinhalese. |
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== Ravana a Buddhist?? == |
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someone edited the history section saying Ravana was a Buddhist. Ravana lived before buddha. what were you thinking???? |
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and lemuriya?? please read that article on Wikipedia before making useless edits. |
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==RE : Ravana a Buddhist?? == |
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Bro Gauthama Buddha was not the only Buddha born in this world according to the Buddhist cronicles. There were 28 buddhas before sidhartha Gauthama. Shiva is also believed in some places as a previous Buddha, before Gautama Buddha. |
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If you know the acient dances in pahatharata Sri Lanka there are parts coming from the period of Ravana ( rakshasas ) which mentions about Buddhism before Gauthama. |
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Chandrika Prasad Jidnyasu has observed that Ravana was contemporary of Buddha and has attended His discourses and believed in Buddha's karuna and non violence. Acharya Narendra Deva in his "Buddha Darshna describes Ravana asking one hundred questions to the Buddha about Buddhist doctrine like Nirvana. [p.53-54, Ravana aur Uski Lanka] Ravana has accepted the concept of Nibbana and Shunyata of the Buddhists. |
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The society, worshiping totems, naturally was against Vedic Yajnyas. Ravana and Buddha both were believers of nonviolence, and were the heroes of struggle against Yajnyas. Adivasi Ravana and Buddha and Charwaka were criminals in the eyes of Aryans. [p.28, Chandrika Prasad Jidnyasu: "Ravana Aur Uski Lanka"] |
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These mentions about Buddhas in these ancient Indian books does not talk about Gauthama Buddha either,. It refers to Previous Buddha’s. |
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Gauthama Buddha himself has mentioned about previous 28 Buddha’s … U probably would have heard about in one life of Buddha he was in the period of kashyapa Buddha. Please read more in “Thripitaka”, “pansiyapanas jathakaya” & many ancient Buddhist cronicles ( I would give more refferences to you probably when I remember ) |
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In Appendix No.1 of Part 3 of the book Riddles of Hinduism 1995 By Dr. Babasaheb B.R.Ambedkar It also says,.. “Ravana was a Buddhist and considered by Dalits as a great hero. |
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The Riddles in Hinduism is a scholarly work by the greatest intellectual of India, though an Untouchable. The text of his writings on Rama and Krishna are based on Hindu scriptures.” |
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There are more evidence in our pahatharata yaksha dancing traditions if you would search more,.. SO DO NOT CALL THEM NONSENCE JUST CAUSE YOU DO NOT KNOW THE FACTS. |
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Sri Lankan Buddhists traditionally held Ravana in respect, perhaps knowing he was one of their own ancestors. The famous Buddhist Sutra, the Lankavatara, looks to Sri Lanka as a holy land and the Sutra is given in honour of Ravana himself, who is styled as the king of the Yakshas. Even a close study of the Ramayanaya, particularly the last book or Uttara Kanda, reveals that Ravana was a "Hela" living under Buddhist peceptions. |
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& to write about the continent of Lemuria this answer would be much longer,. Please search in google for lemuria & see,. |
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Hope you will understand. Thnks for your reply anyway. & why don’t you singn in so we can discuss this further if you have further questions regarding the editing I did. |
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amodha 11:23, 11 February 2006 (UTC) |
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== removed edits without reliable published sources & copyrighted == |
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before making edit provide reliable published sources. |
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Bulletin boards, posts to Usenet and Partisan websites do not qualify as reliable sources <- wikipedia policy. |
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also your edits show clear plagiarism, many of your sentences are found intact in the sources you provided. |
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== RE : removed edits without reliable published sources & copyrighted == |
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tell me the unreliable source I have used as a published source,.. I have used the same www.lankalibrary.com source as well as you,.. You have used the same to prove what you say. |
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And I dont see any plagmarism in it. You say my sentences are found intact in the sources I provided. which is the same site you have used to prove ur edits,. Then how can that site be plagmaric when I quote something from it & not plagmaric when you quote from it,.. ?????? |
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amodha 15:13, 11 February 2006 (UTC) |
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:Bulletin boards, posts to Usenet and Partisan websites do not qualify as reliable sources <- wikipedia policy. |
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::I did not provide any sources, i only put the last version back. |
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:Content must not violate any copyright and must be verifiable. You agree to license your contributions under the GFDL. <- wikipedia policy. |
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::your edit incorporate direct sentences from those sources. |
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: i even left some of your edit which i found to be verifiable & not adirect cut& paste. and your edit consists of many grammer & spelling mistakes |
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: its not nice to made very big change to an already established article, first raise the changes on the discussion page for the article - and then if none disagrees then add it again |
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== RE : removed edits without reliable published sources & copyrighted == |
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The last version which you puts back quotes the same site as the source I have provided In my editions,. Thus the point you saying my sources are unreliable is bogus, cause then the last version should be deleted too as it provides the same site as the source. & I have not deleted anything from the last version for you to put it baack I have added some more & edited some centences. |
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It does not violate the rules by any means. |
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If You think that source is unreliable why do you bring the previos version which quotes the same source as me,. then dont bring that as well,.............. |
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what do you mean edit incorporated direct sencences from the source,. is it wrong,.. ?? so If I jumble the sentence a bit & put it with a different set of words it is acceptable is it,.. |
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Focus on the facts not the language used. |
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& dont delete everything. |
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explain the things you deleted with quoting them so that I know what your point is,.I do not get what fact u dis agrees to,.. |
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"""The Island of Sri Lanka has an written history of over 2,500 years and an unwritten history for more than 300,000 years attested to by archaeological ruins and other evidence,on the island of Heladiva ('Sri Lanka') Historical chronicles are found in stone writings (‘sel lipi’), leaf writings (‘Hela Atuva’) and also in great Indian chronicles as [[Mahabharata]] and the [[Ramayana]]. The main historical written evidence updated even today is the [[Mahavamsa]], also including [[Dipavamsa]] & [[Cholavamsa]].""" |
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: what "other evidence" are you talking about?? what is that sentence supposed to mean?? |
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:this is about sri lanka not 'Heladiva', if you want to talk about 'Heladiva' start a new article aboit it. like there is one for tamileelam |
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:there is no such thing as Cholavamsa, dont you even know the correct spelling?? |
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:this section is about the pre-history of sri lanka what does (‘sel lipi’), leaf writings (‘Hela Atuva’)have to do with it?? |
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:your spelling & grammer is wrong. |
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:cite source that the mahavansa is updated today?/ |
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:"historical written evidence " is that supposed to make sense? |
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:dont you understand the nature of GFDL?? |
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"""The island presently known as 'Sri Lanka' was originally known as ‘Simhale’ or 'Heladiva' ('the island of the ''Hela''(Comprising of [[naaga]], [[yaksha]], [[deva]] & [[raksha]] tribes) people') for over 30 millenia.""" |
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: this section belongs in the 'Names of Sri Lanka' article not is the pre-0history section |
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:where is your source for dental morphological analysis?? you provided a Bulletin board as source which is not accepted. |
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:there are you satisfied?? |
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Ok Now we are talking,. here you go with answeres for each question separately,... |
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: what "other evidence" are you talking about?? what is that sentence supposed to mean?? |
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Well I get it I agree the word other evidences is quite wave, But the other evidences r the Historicle chronicles, books Like Mahavamsa, Choolavamsa, Thupavamsa, Dipavamsa & morst importantly Folklore. |
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Anyway if you do not like the word No worries lets delete the word "Other evidence" or elaborate it. Agreed on that mate. |
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:this is about sri lanka not 'Heladiva', if you want to talk about 'Heladiva' start a new article aboit it. like there is one for tamileelam,... |
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When Sri lanka was handed over to the British in 1815, The document they signed is still available for everybody to see in the National museum. In that agreement( document) Sri lanka is mentioned as "Heladiva". The name Sri lanka is a very reasent one. Thus Heladiva has been used for Sri lanka & when we have got practical evidence for it why cant we state Sri Lanka was called hela diva at one time. |
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& dont compare it with Tamil elam. |
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:there is no such thing as Cholavamsa, dont you even know the correct spelling?? |
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The Choolavamsa, is a medieval Buddhist chronicle compiled by the monk Dhammakirthi. |
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Cholavamsa / choolavamsa / chulavamsa / culavamsa or how ever you spell it in English,... is a sinhalese name, It is not an English word thus you cannot say choolavamsa with double "O" is correct or cholavamsa with a single "O" is or with "U" is correct. |
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Anyway to end the conflict lets say "Chulavamsa" is correct, so be happy. |
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:this section is about the pre-history of sri lanka what does (‘sel lipi’), leaf writings (‘Hela Atuva’)have to do with it?? |
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Cause (‘sel lipi’), leaf writings (‘Hela Atuva’) are resourceful sources in diging out our Prehistory. There are (‘sel lipi’) in all arround sri lanka dating back over 10 000 years. |
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To say a few would be sel lipi in Mathale kuveni maligaya, sel lipi near kuveni pokuna, vishwa chakraya in Anuradhapura, ect.... |
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And leaf writings (‘Hela Atuva’) which are important in regard with prehistory are medical (desheya vaidya) leaf writings which describs about ancient medical treatments, surgeries. These are sometimes quoted as "ravana bauddha vedakama". |
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And leaf writings (‘Hela Atuva’) about Pahatharata dance rituals decribing ravana history & rituals of great warriors such as Ravana, Mahasen ( katharagama), Bali, Taraka, Hiranya Kashyapa etc.... Thus these has something to do with the prehistory. Hope you'll learn more about history mate. |
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:your spelling & grammer is wrong. |
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Ok I'll correct it If I see. But I dont see anything wrong with it. Probably could be. will correct it.Anyway there are many spelling & grammar mistakes in the current article too,. better delete them too,.. ;-| |
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:cite source that the mahavansa is updated today?/ |
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Well I tried looking for sources But did not have much time to search the entire database,. In 1977, the Prime Minister of Sri Lanka, J.R. Jayewardene, extended the chronicle to the beginning of his administration and "great emphasis has been placed throughout the history of Buddhism in Sri Lanka on the idea that the connection between past and present must be unbroken |
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I am 100% sure about the fact but as I have abide with the rules in here will not write it till I find a source. |
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:"historical written evidence " is that supposed to make sense? |
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Answered this ealier,... |
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:dont you understand the nature of GFDL?? I do.. |
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"""The island presently known as 'Sri Lanka' was originally known as ‘Simhale’ or 'Heladiva' ('the island of the ''Hela''(Comprising of [[naaga]], [[yaksha]], [[deva]] & [[raksha]] tribes) people') for over 30 millenia.""" |
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: this section belongs in the 'Names of Sri Lanka' article not is the pre-0history section |
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Nope naga raksha, deva, yaksha are not names of the country,..!!! They are the names of the tribes,. & when mentioning the unity of these four "HEla" tribes in prehistoric times the connection between simhela has to be writen in prehistory in my openion. |
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:where is your source for dental morphological analysis?? you provided a Bulletin board as source which is not accepted. |
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Well this was an article in the newspaper by By Asgar Hussein about the research. |
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this is the article which I found,.[http://www.anthropologie.ch/bulletin/bulletin_pdf/9.24%20Bulbeck_Text.pdf] will attach this original research artical in the next edit |
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are you satisfied now,.. ? |
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== reply to amodha == |
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:"""Sri Lanka possesses a written history """" |
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:possesses??. that is not how you write. |
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:"""The island presently known as 'Sri Lanka' was originally known as ‘Simhale’ or 'Heladiva' ('the island of the ''Hela''(Comprising of [[naaga]], [[yaksha]], [[deva]] & [[raksha]] tribes) people') for over 30 millenia."""" |
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:sri lanka known as?? is supposed be in the names of sri lanka. the current name of the country is sri lanka use that only. if you want to use 'Heladiva' or anything else amend the constitution. |
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:"""leaf writings (‘Hela Atuva’""" |
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:provide proof that leaves more than 2500 years old have survived to today.this section is about the pre-history of sri lanka. do you have any prehistorical (‘sel lipi’), leaf writings (‘Hela Atuva’)?? |
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:"""Sri Lanka possesses a written history of over 2,500 years and an unwritten history of over 125,000 years attested to by archaeological ruins and other evidence, of """ |
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:so people are supposed to guess in a encyclopedia?? |
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:BP here BP there is it supposed to blood pressure??, use the standard way |
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:"""There is secure evidence of settlements "" |
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: secure? do you have bonds?? is that a sentences ??, write proper sentences |
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:"""Several minute granite tools of about 4 centimeters in length, earthenware and remnants of charred timber, & clay coffins that date back to the Stone Age man [[Mesolithic]] Man who lived 8000 years ago have been discovered during recent excavations around a cave at Varana Raja Maha vihara & also in Kalatuwawa area.""" |
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:"clay burial pots" - use proper words. double man?? your source?? |
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:"""Studies using the ground-breaking technique of dental morphological analysis has clearly indicated that skeletal remains at Pomparippu (who probably lived around 500-1000 BC) and the Austro-Asiatic people of Eastern and North Eastern Indian Indus Valley Civilisation of Harappa clearly indicate they possessed dental traits much more similar to Sinhalese, which is completely different from the [[Dravidian]] people in southern India. And its also noteworthy that [[veddas]] ( decendants of [[yaksha]] tribes ) teeth bear a closer resemblance to that of Balangoda Man. |
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:Another important conclusion from this dental morphological analysis, is that those communities of Balangoda Man lived in Sri Lanka less than 10,000 years ago possessed different dental morphological traits than contemporary Indian groups. This indicates that although the two countries were then probably connected by the land link known as Adam's Bridge, the gene flow between its peoples even during that period was not significant.""" |
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:i read the pdf you provided and it does not suppoer what you write here |
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:again you are coping and pasting |
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:ravana is a buddhist?? |
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:read the ramayana please |
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:"""The earliest chronicles The ''[[Dipavamsa]]'' and ''[[Mahavamsa]]'' say that, before the migration of the [[Indo-Aryans]], tribes of [[naaga]], [[yaksha]], [[deva]] & [[raksha]] inhabited the island. They are said to have lived in highly developed urban areas in all regions of the country.""" |
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:provide proof that they lived in all regions of the country |
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:PLEASE DONT COPY&PASTE IT IS ILLEGAL. rearanging a few words is not enough |
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:lastly cite your sources and add all you want. |
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'''After you have finished editing please post it here, so we can find if there are any errors or omissions & other users can give their feedback. after that you can post it on the article. ''' |
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:"""Sri Lanka possesses a written history """" |
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:possesses??. that is not how you write. |
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Then how do you write, there is nothing wrong in writing a country or somebody "pessesses a history", It has been used in various instances & it is not wrong. Just dont try to act smart. |
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:"""The island presently known as 'Sri Lanka' was originally known as ‘Simhale’ or 'Heladiva' ('the island of the ''Hela''(Comprising of [[naaga]], [[yaksha]], [[deva]] & [[raksha]] tribes) people') for over 30 millenia."""" |
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:sri lanka known as?? is supposed be in the names of sri lanka. the current name of the country is sri lanka use that only. if you want to use 'Heladiva' or anything else amend the constitution. |
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There is no need to amend the constitution to mention that the country was called Heladiva previously. I told you this before too & I am repeating that Sri lanka has been mentioned as "Heladiva" in the agreement signed by the udarada rulers & the British government when the Island was handed over to them in 1815. & I recon it is important to mention that when talking about its prehistoric era its unique language, its unique values and its unique traditions. |
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:"""leaf writings (‘Hela Atuva’""" |
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:provide proof that leaves more than 2500 years old have survived to today.this section is about the pre-history of sri lanka. do you have any prehistorical (‘sel lipi’), leaf writings (‘Hela Atuva’)?? |
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Well (sel lipi) - anuradhapura vishva chakraya, kuveni naga pokuna, mathale kuveni maligaya, kaleniya vibheshana devalaya, are some few places you can find prehistoric sel lipi |
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(hela atuwa) as I stated before they do not necesarily have to be older than 2500 years to prove the prehistory,. you can read what is sated in them about the prehistoric times.I've discribed it in a previous reply. |
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:"""Sri Lanka possesses a written history of over 2,500 years and an unwritten history of over 125,000 years attested to by archaeological ruins and other evidence, of """ |
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:so people are supposed to guess in a encyclopedia?? |
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Done,. cleared it. |
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:"""Several minute granite tools of about 4 centimeters in length, earthenware and remnants of charred timber, & clay coffins that date back to the Stone Age man [[Mesolithic]] Man who lived 8000 years ago have been discovered during recent excavations around a cave at Varana Raja Maha vihara & also in Kalatuwawa area.""" |
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:"clay burial pots" - use proper words. double man?? your source?? |
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Yes it is clay burial pots. That is the proper word used for them. |
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:"""Studies using the ground-breaking technique of dental morphological analysis has clearly indicated that skeletal remains at Pomparippu (who probably lived around 500-1000 BC) and the Austro-Asiatic people of Eastern and North Eastern Indian Indus Valley Civilisation of Harappa clearly indicate they possessed dental traits much more similar to Sinhalese, which is completely different from the [[Dravidian]] people in southern India. And its also noteworthy that [[veddas]] ( decendants of [[yaksha]] tribes ) teeth bear a closer resemblance to that of Balangoda Man. |
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:Another important conclusion from this dental morphological analysis, is that those communities of Balangoda Man lived in Sri Lanka less than 10,000 years ago possessed different dental morphological traits than contemporary Indian groups. This indicates that although the two countries were then probably connected by the land link known as Adam's Bridge, the gene flow between its peoples even during that period was not significant.""" |
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:i read the pdf you provided and it does not suppoer what you write here |
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:ravana is a buddhist?? |
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:read the ramayana please |
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I've answered this previously. |
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:"""The earliest chronicles The ''[[Dipavamsa]]'' and ''[[Mahavamsa]]'', say that, before the migration of the [[Indo-Aryans]], tribes of [[naaga]], [[yaksha]], [[deva]] & [[raksha]] inhabited the island. They are said to have lived in highly developed urban areas in all regions of the country.""" |
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:provide proof that they lived in all regions of the country |
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Proof is provided in the article[http://www.infolanka.com/org/srilanka/hist/hist1.html][http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=3111269&dopt=Citation][http://www.arkeologi.uu.se/afr/symposium/abstracts/Deraniyagala1.htm] |
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Ramayana provides many cities of [[yaksha]] tribes, kalaniya, central provinces arround hortain plains, ritigala. Kuveni ( yaksha ) stories - mannarama, anuradhapuraya, mathale. |
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And also as I have stated in the paragraph, in [[Dipavamsa]]'' and ''[[Mahavamsa]] If you have ever read them you will know about the nagadeepa (naga kings chulodara & mahodara), kalaniya (naga King Maniakkhika),ravana related names in horton plains, katharagama (mahasen),Ravana, Bali, Taraka, Hiranya Kashyapa etc.... Great civilization has developed at the cities of Mannar, Trincomalee, Anuradhapura, Tissamaharama, Kelaniya Digamadulla, Kalpitiya, Nagadeepa, Matale and Lankapura and Bintenna even before the arrival of king Vijaya. These are also proved by archiological evidence, pahatharata & udarata dance rituals & most importantly forklore. |
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Then recent excavations of [[balangoda man]] in various places arround the Island. |
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How many do I have to provide as such. Dont you know atleast a little bit of history. |
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:BP here BP there is it supposed to blood pressure??, use the standard way |
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BP is the standard way of saying the Conventional radiocarbon ages (BP. Thus it is standard. |
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:"""There is secure evidence of settlements "" |
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: secure? do you have bonds?? is that a sentences ??, write proper sentences |
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Tell me the reason why you object to call the evidence secure ?. Anyway I'll delete the word secure till you give a reason. |
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:PLEASE DONT COPY&PASTE IT IS ILLEGAL. rearanging a few words is not enough |
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OK |
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:lastly cite your sources and add all you want. |
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'''After you have finished editing please post it here, so we can find if there are any errors or omissions & other users can give their feedback. after that you can post it on the article. |
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amodha 12:11, 12 February 2006 (UTC) |
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== why wont you listen?? == |
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1. stop posting from copyrighted materials |
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2. ‘Simhale’ or 'Heladiva' are names ans therefore belongs here ''Names of Sri Lanka'' |
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3. '''dental morphological analysis''' you still have not provided any sources. i read the link you provided & it has nothing on waht you say. |
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4. Please you references when providing source links.'''don't litter the main article it''' |
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5. your texts contain lots of spelling & grammer errors |
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6. provide source confirming that the "ancient tribes" lived in all parts of the country. |
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7. partisan websites & board posts are not reliable sources. |
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== Please refer to Ahmoda's Talk page == |
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I would like to point you both to the addition I have made to [[User_talk:Amodha#About Sri Lanka|Ahmoda's Talk page]]. |
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I can see that feelings are running high here, but would like to make the following comments. |
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*Nobody's spelling and grammar are perfect. I can see several mistakes in both of your edits and additions to the talk page. |
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*There's no need to be personally offensive, you are both trying to improve the page's contents and are thus working towards the same goal. |
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*I feel that before you both make changes forwards and backwards, you ought to consult other users of Wikipedia as to the veracity and need of your changes. Let this be an area for discussion amongst several users so that we can get a larger consensus on how this page ought to be constructed. |
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*Please don't make this into a frozen page to which no-one can make additions or edits. |
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*Please sign your comments on the talk page by using the signature button provided above the editing window. |
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Thank you. --[[User:Brerbunny|Brerbunny]] 00:40, 13 February 2006 (UTC) |
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== Mediation Cabal == |
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Recently, user Brerbunny requests assistance from Mediation Cabal. Can both users list things they want to change about this article? Thanks. [[User:Olorin28|Olorin28]] 00:51, 22 February 2006 (UTC) |
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== Economy of Sri Lanka == |
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Does anyone know how much money Sri Lanka makes because of gemstone exports (if they do at all?)? I'm pretty sure they make quite a bit because of this. [[User:Evan Robidoux|Evan Robidoux]] 00:54, 26 February 2006 (UTC) |
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==Mahavansa is not history== |
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Saying the Mahavansa and the Deepavansa are accurate historical records of the island is like saying the Bible is an accurate historical record of the middle east, or calling the Mahabharata an accurate historical record of India. The Mahavansa is full of holes and political propaganda (biased towards whoever was supporting the monks writing it). |
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I agree the Mahavansa did comment a lot on what was going on at that point but it's just not reliable as a record. Like a thousand years from now, do you think they Daily News archives will be an accurate record od what's going on now? It's full of bias. And that's a newspaper, which is supposed to be accurate and unbiased! |
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My point being, Mahavansa should not be hyped. It's very important that we have a document that claims to be a 2000 year written history, but it's just not verifiable. I added a section in history called written history and put it in there along with with Ramayana and the Mahabaratha. |
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[[User:Morquendi|Morquendi]] 08:58, 11 March 2006 (UTC) |
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===summerising history=== |
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I am going to summerise the history section in the main Sri Lanka page as there is now a Sri Lankan History Page. |
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[[User:Morquendi|Morquendi]] 07:34, 13 March 2006 (UTC) |
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===history summerised=== |
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I have cut down the history segment in the Sri Lanka main page drastically. IMHO there was a lot of stuff in there that should have gone into the politics section or the history main page. |
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[[User:Morquendi|Morquendi]] 17:57, 17 March 2006 (UTC) |
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== Tabrobana == |
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The article [[phantom island]] brought me to the article [[Taprobana]] which then redirected me to this Sri Lanka article. What is Taprobana? --[[User:Abdull|Abdull]] 11:31, 25 March 2006 (UTC) |
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:An old name for an island in the Indian Ocean. Probably Sri Lanka and Sumatra at different times |
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== eppawala ?! == |
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I found this quote on the edge.org website: |
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You will never have heard the name "Eppawala". This is a project of a US-Japan consortium to mine phosphate in gigantic quantities from a mountain in Sri Lanka, destroying a thousand-year-old irrigation system, numerous antiquities, and many villages and compensating the locals on a typical Third World scale with a minute fraction of the profits — profits which hardly exist if one were to count the true cost of the project. It is a staggering example of the misuse of economic reasoning which characterizes third world "development" projects. Not just third world, in my opinion! |
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PHILIP W. ANDERSON is a Nobel laureate physicist at Princeton and one of the leading theorists on superconductivity. He is the author of A Career in Theoretical Physics, and Economy as a Complex Evolving System. |
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How come this subject is totally absent from Wikipedia? |
Latest revision as of 22:06, 3 May 2016
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Untitled
Removed this political screed from Sri Lanka/Government:
Attention is requested to the suffering of innocent civilian victims of the protracted war (more than 20 years) at the hand of openly nationalist racist governments. It is worth noting that most of this ugly war effort is perpetrated with aid money channeled for globalisation efforts by the west and international monetary institutions.
These very foreign influences are suspected as the international forces behind the credibility given to the blatant misinformation propagated by successive (at present an undemocratically elected) government amid ongoing censorship (End of Sep. 2001). All students of the Sri Lankan politics and ethnicity are requested to be vigilant for mass misinformation campaigns and tactics in use in mass media
-- ansible
Removed from Sri Lanka/History the bit about Kotte being the last pre-colonial capital, as there were multiple kingdoms, with multiple capitals, and the last was Kandy, no?
-- John Abbe
Kotte was the last capital before the first western colonial presence (the Portugese). The distinction is that Neither the Portugese or the Dutch got to the hill country, thus leaving Kandy independent.
Are you saying there was only a single Sinhalese political unit when the Portuguese arrived? -- John Abbe
Yes.
Text of former Tourism in Sri Lanka article
The following is the text of a former unwikified stub. On WP:CU it said
- Tourism in Sri Lanka - wikify
- should be deleted, all info already available under Sri Lanka Salasks
Is there anything in it worth adding to Sri Lanka?
--Jerzy(t) 19:33, 2004 Jul 13 (UTC)
Sri Lanka, an island located in the middle of the Indian Ocean and enjoys typical tropical climate with almost same temperature throughout the year.
The island of Sri Lanka, formerly Ceylon, lies within the Indian Ocean, with the Bay of Bengal to the northeast, separated from the Indian subcontinent by the Gulf of Mannar and the Palk Strait. Adam's Bridge, a land connection to the Indian mainland that according to Hindu mythology was constructed during the rule of Rama, is now mostly submerged with only a chain of limestone shoals remaining above sea level. The pear-shaped island consists mostly of flat to rolling coastal plains, with mountains rising only in the south central part of the island, amongst which are Adam's Peak and the Pidurutalagala, the highest point at 2,524 m.
The Sri Lankan climate is tropical and characterised by monsoons; the northeast monsoon which lasts from December to March and the southwest monsoon from June to October. The administrative and commercial capital is Colombo, but parliament is located in nearby Kotte. Other major cities include Jaffna, Galle, and Kandy.
Sri Lanka offers wide range of hotels suitable for everyone with any budgets. One can easily find 10$ room to 1000$ five star hotel in Sri Lanka.
Names of Sri Lanka in Sinhala and Tamil
Does somebody know how to write the short native names of Sri Lanka in Sinhala and Tamil in the orginal character, using charset=iso-8859-1. -- Gangulf 10:55, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- If you mean in the native writing system, that's not possible. ISO-8859-1 only contains latin characters. — Gwalla | Talk 20:25, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- I meant the same way as we do with arabic countries, so it might be ISO-8859 without -1 --Gangulf 20:55, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
It would be nice if there is also a transliteration of the full Sinhala name of Sri Lanka. Currently, the name exists in Tamil script, Sinhala script, English, and Tamil transliteration.
Arun 06:15, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Is it not possible to write "Sri Lanka" correctly in Sinhala using unicode? "Sri" should be only one letter (with two modifiers), it is currently written as Sh+Ri. Bodhitha 16:50, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Moved English
Moved english from category official languages to category other languages since it is not a official language.
changed spelling "Ilangai Jananayaka Socialisa Kudiarasu" to correct form "Illankai Chananaayaka Chosalisa Kudiyarasu"
"Duttagamani", "Dutthagamani" and "Dutugemunu"
The same text of this note is posted to all the three articles Kandula, Dutthagamani and Sri Lanka.
Some inconsistency may lurk in description in those articles.
- The article Kandula talks about King Duttagamani (101 - 77 BC) who mounted Kandula the elephant during the wars that led to the unification of Sri Lanka.
- The article on Dutthagamani (king of Ceylon, or Sri Lanka, from 101 to 77 BC) says, "He had to fight his brother, Saddha Tissa, to gain his crown," and "He marched north and killed the Tamil leader Elara."
- Sri Lanka recites defender kings of the Sinhara nation against Tamil invasion, one of whom is Dutugemunu, but gives no account of his reign years.
- King Dutugemunu (161-137 BC) calls Dutugemunu a king who defeated a Tamil king Elara, and "united the Sinhalese for the first time." His reign is 161-137 BC. Also described is that as a prince Dutugemunu fought and beat his younger brother Tissa to have Kandula the elephant, and as the king he mounted Kandula in battle with the Tamil army.
- Daily Mirror Online : Opinion says, "the great king Duttagamani, better known as Dutugemunu."
- Unfortunately not so readable as a whole, DUTUGEMUNU EPISODE RE-EXAMINED includes a passage "whether the Dutthagamani's war is an isolated event in history, we find that it antedates the reign of Duttagamani at least by one generation."
- Here is an English translation of a few chapters of Mahavamsa (the Great Chronicle of Sri Lanka), which may or not serve for solving our problem.
Toby (YebisYa) IQUEPPE 18:53, 2004 Nov 23 (UTC)
Colony?
Does Sri Lanka belong in British colonies? The colony was Ceylon—and it seems to inappropriate to list a currently existing independence nation-state as under "British colonies". "Former British colonies", maybe—but that's a whole other category that would not include things like "Basutoland". And non of the others are listed anyway. I am thinking we need a Category:Commonwealth Countries. Haven't found an existing one.—iFaqeer (Talk to me!) 20:36, Dec 3, 2004 (UTC)
Spelling in Tamil
I changed the spelling of the second word of Sri Lanka's official name from Jananaayaka ( ஜனநாயக) to Chananaayaka (சனநாயக) correcting with information from the image at the top of the following (non-unicode) webpage Government of Sri Lanka Tamil homepage If that webpage is wrong, please correct it.
--Arun 06:09, Mar 10, 2005 (UTC) This page is boring!
Colonial Rulers
I have a link , for the name sof the Colonal, governers, military leaders, residents http://www.lankalibrary.com/geo/european%20rulers.htm, do we want to great a list for this and expand it into part of the article? More info. The links listed together are practically the same thing written elsewhere in that site. http://www.lankalibrary.com/geo.html(contains links below)
POrtuguese Rule http://www.lankalibrary.com/geo/portu2.htm http://www.lankalibrary.com/geo/portu3.htm
Dutch Rule http://www.lankalibrary.com/geo/dutch.htm http://www.lankalibrary.com/geo/dutch/dutch2.htm http://lakdiva.org/codrington/chap09.html
British Rule http://www.lankalibrary.com/geo/British/history4.htm http://lakdiva.org/codrington/chap10.html
Sri Lankan in World wars http://www.lankalibrary.com/geo/ww.htm
Misc http://www.lankalibrary.com/geo/kandy1815.htm http://caliban.mpiz-koeln.mpg.de/~stueber/haeckel/ceylon_e/index.html
History and Demographics Changes
Changed the sentences in History section to clear some errors that have come about mostly through careless editing. Such as the sentence giving the impression that Portuguese established Kotte.
More of the same is required in section dealing with Tamils.
Also changed the Demographics section with regard to Muslims being referred to as Tamils.
--sittingnut 1 July 2005 20:56 (UTC)
TfD nomination of Template:2004Earthquake
Template:2004Earthquake has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Template:2004Earthquake. Thank you.
Clarification requested
Perhaps someone more familiar with the subject would care to address the entry Status of religious freedom in Sri Lanka? - ILFoxtrot 22:25 hrs 7/21/05
English name in infobox
Not sure why the English name of the republic was removed from the infobox (this is, after all, an English-language encyclopedia), so I put it back. Tom Radulovich 20:41, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
Capital city
An user from Sri Lanka in Tamil wikipedia says that Columbo's status as the executive capital status has been changed and it is no longer the capital city. Can someone verify and change that? -- Sundar \talk \contribs 11:17, September 2, 2005 (UTC)
That's correct. The official capital is now Sri Jayewardenepura Kotte, which I think is a district of Colombo where the legislature sits. Adam 11:32, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
- Yeah, thanks. I got an edit conflict when I tried to post this. MSN Encarta says that Kottee is the administrative capital. I'm fixing it. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 11:37, September 2, 2005 (UTC)
Sri Jayawardenapura-Kote is just just a part of Colombo. Most ministries and the president's house is still in the Colombo city. Only a handful of institutions (including the parliament) have been moved to Kotte. But it's just 15 minutes from the city anyway. - Chinthaka Dayaratne
That doesn't alter the fact that it is now officially the capital of the country. Adam 05:13, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
Sri Jayawardenapura-Kote is not part of colombo, it is a seperate municipal council outside the colombo city. with no connection with colombo. its 20 km away from colombo city - Suren
Reverting back the reverts by Share Bear
I added a note here, same opinions apply for this edit I did to this article. Greenleaf 06:23, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
indo-Lanka accord
this was signed in 1987 not 1989. in 89 premadasa was president not jayawardene. it was signed between jayawardene and rajiv gandhi. Following the Indo-Lanka Accord, the 13th constitutional amendment of 1987 tamil was made an official language.
External Links - cleanup
I deleted a whole lot of links from External Links section. Reason was that most of those links were not notable enough to represent a country. Greeting cards sites, blog collections, advertisising and directory pages. We don't have to include every link just for the reason they are about Sri Lanka. This is an encyclepedia, not a web directory.
See also: Wikipedia is not a mirror or a repository of links, images, or media files, which specifically says:
"Wikipedia articles are not:
1. Mere collections of external links or Internet directories. There is nothing wrong with adding a list of content-relevant links to an article; however, excessive lists can dwarf articles and detract from the purpose of Wikipedia."
Search engines are there for such purposes. We don't have to include a link to Sri Lanka phone directory, Sri Lanka yahoo category and sites like this in an encyclopedia article. (I'm an expat myself, but we must understand that all countries have their share fo expats.)
I might have missed some of the links that must be deleted, or accidently deleted links that must be kept. Please have a look if there are any remaining nn links. Greenleaf 01:35, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
Changing Matale image
I replace a picture of a clock tower being renovated with a pic of temple of tooth. I guess that is a better way to represent SL than a non-notable clock tower going under mason work. I hope no one would claim that article is being biased; ToT is also a tourist destination as well as a religious place; besides, the article already has pictures of a mosque and a kovil. Greenleaf 05:57, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
unknown people
who is this "nimal of bbc", i have never heard of him in sri lanka so how can be in "Famous Sri Lankans". btw just because someone is famous in another country does not make them "Famous Sri Lankans" they must first be famous in sri lanka.
- I agree - I was mostly a deletionist, but left him because I couldn't verify. But I guess "famous Sri Lankans" must be people who are both *very* famous **and** Sri Lankan - rather than people famous inside Sri Lanka, or people who are famous only in some other country but not in Sri Lanka. If we are to include all people who are famous in Sri Lanka, we'll run out of space.
- So, Arthur C. Clarke and some others in the list may qualify. I do not vouch for Nimal Mendis. Having said that, I don't think B&S and Gypsies must be in. We cannot mention every singer who are currently popular in a Country page. What about leading businessmen, gifted painters, talented athletes? Why only popular singers? There has to be some limit where to stop including information - to avoid clutter: Read Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. - Greenleaf 07:10, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
liberal economy
the economy article constructed as to imply that ther was no liberal economy in sri lanka before 1977, which is quite untrue. the economy was always liberal under unp regimes it only during slfp regimes during 57, 60, 70 the economy was restricted. even then full scale socialist economy was imposed only in 1970. - suren
Can people stop adding pointless links
I have this page on my watch list and people are constantly changing official and proper links. The recent of which User:Greenleaf fixed. I dont know who he is, but it saves him and others time if people would stoop doing it. Only add links if information has been obtained from them. Thanks CooldogCongo 08:08, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
- thanks for joining the link police ;-). in an earlier occasion, I had to delete about half of the links that were there. Really hope that people would stop spamming links for commercial reasons. Greenleaf 08:50, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
propagandist edits
I deleted a whole bunch of propagandist edits from the page. Any country has it's own share of attacks on media, and they don't go in country page. True, SL is not very good in it's media freedom, but so is it in health facilities, transport etc. If someone who is interested about health comes and adds stuff on how bad health is there, and someone on transport sector comes and added stuff about how bad transport in SL is, this page would eventually lack *usefulness* for someone who want's to get an idea about country. It's great to be enthusiastic activists, but that does not mean anyone who opens an encyclepedia to look about Sri Lanka is necessarily looking for presss freedom. Please stop adding peripheral matters, for the sake of quality. It's clear whoever edited that part was biased from his removing much of the existing links. Greenleaf 02:00, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
New Additions and Questions
1) Added U.S. Department of State report on Sri Lanka to the Overviews. Why ? It was the most recent document and the information put in their are balanced, neutral and the most accurate compared to the others.
2) Added Tamil Net to the News Section. Why ? I know you have put BBC Tamil, Virakesari and Thinakural to represent the Tamil's view but unforuntately all of these papaers are in Tamil, most people visiting this page won't be able to read it. TamilNet is the only news that share the Tamil's view on Sri Lanka. BBC website has listed TamilNet on their website. If is is good enough to be listed on the BBC website as a useful link, it is good for Wikipedia.
- Agreed, but imho most of those links, the ones you mentioned and ones that represent non-tamil views (eh? - just implying this from your words) don't belong there in the first place, when compared with other country pages. Greenleaf 06:20, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
3. Need clarification: "The international anti-terrorism focus may have influenced the main Tamil rebel group to seek the ceasefire, as the LTTE was declared a terrorist organization by the United States of America, the United Kingdom, Australia, India, Canada and Sri Lanka." We all know that LTTE is banned in USA, UK and India. Can you please point to the documents showing that is the case in Canada and Australia ?
- I have removed Canada and Australia from the list. I'm pretty sure they haven't declared as a terrorist organizaiton yet. If you could show me the documents, then we could put it back.[User:MapleLeafFan] 09:32, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
4. Need to change the statement "This was seen as dicriminatory": "Post independence governments implemented a series of pro-Sinhalese measures in order to support the majority community who were disadvantaged compared to the minorities due to the policies of European colonialists. This was seen as discriminatory by the Tamils and lead to tensions between the Sri Lankan government and the Tamil politial/military groups which erupted in violence in 1983 following the killing of 13 soldiers of the Sri Lankan Army in Jaffna.".
"This was seen as dicriminatory" make it sounds like there weren't actually any discrimination and the Tamils perceived it as one. There was clear discrimination against the Tamils and it not a perceived one. In 1948, the Citizenship Act stripped 85,000 Tamil of Indian Origin stateless. 1956 "Sinhala Only" act made "Sinhala" as the official Language leaving Tamil behind. There were anti-tamil riots in 1956, 1958, 1977 and 1983. I don't think anyone were prosecuted for those crime as of today. There are still traces of discrimination left in Sri Lanka against the Tamils even today. See the latest report from an independent organization on the massacre of "child soliders" in a government run Rehabilitation Centre in Sri Lanka and how the government failed to find anyone guilty.
http://www.achrweb.org/reports/srilanka/SLK0105.pdf
- In any case, this is the country page, not the place to discuss that. There's a seperate article Ethnic conflict in Sri Lanka which specifically address exactly that. This is like talking Bush's policy on Iraq in USA article just because it's one of the most discussed topics in news regarding USA.
- I totally agree. Let's move all of the issues on ethnic conflict to a separate page and keep this page for general info on the country. In that case, we also need to address issue #5 I raised earlier. If people want to keep a page free of politics, I'm fine with it, but when they want to discuss politics, I want to make sure it is presented in a balanced and truthful manor. [MapleLeafsFan] 10:41, 30 October 2005.
- Apart from that, "there was a clear discrimination" is subjective. See the talk page on the relevent page and you'll see counter arguments. Please think in terms of article quality, not in terms of making one's point - such as "tamils have been wronged, that fact should be there everywhere attached to words Sri Lanka". Think out of 100 people who open an encyclopedia to know about Sri Lanka, how many would be interested to read long-winded passages on political brawls?
- Agree. But someone have to address #5 first. That to me is politically motivated. We should come up some guildelines on what should be part of the country profile and what shouldn't. Then people will not put other pages. [MapleLeafsFan] 10:41, 30 October 2005.
- For more info, read Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information and Wikipedia is not a propaganda machine. I do believe, honestly, that you did all those edits in good faith, and hope you'd take my objection in the same spirit. Greenleaf
- Agree Wikipedia should not be used as a propaganda machine. However, when I first read the page on Sri Lanka, I found it to be nothing but propaganda. It was NOT upto the highest standards of Wikipedia. It sounded very much like a government propaganda to me. On the very top of the page contains info on the recent political events. Then I moved to the history section. There were mentions of Kindoms in Sri Lanka, but no mentioned about an independent Tamil Kindom in Jaffna. Then the sentence goes "This was seen as discriminatory by the Tamils", made it sounded like there is no real discrimination in Sri Lanka. No mentioned about the "Citzenship Act, Language Act". No mentioned about the riots prior to 1983. Mentioned LTTE being listed as a terrorist organization in Canada and Australia. I don't think that is the case yet. Mentioned about Tsunami but no word on the P-TOMS. One of the Amnesty international report was listed under the Overview section (It still is), eventhough there are many avaialble againt both the government and LTTE. That's why I wanted to provide a more balanced view on Sri Lanka. [MapleLeafsFan] 10:41, 30 October 2005.
- For more info, read Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information and Wikipedia is not a propaganda machine. I do believe, honestly, that you did all those edits in good faith, and hope you'd take my objection in the same spirit. Greenleaf
5) I reviewed Wikipedia sites on United_States, United_Kindom, Canada, India and many others. In the top section none of them mention about recent events. This is making me wonder why Sri Lanka need the following on the top ? This should be part of history or politics or others. Is the following paragraph really necessary to be on the top ? Even page on Lebanon doesn't mention the assasination of their Prime minister.
- I agree to this hands-down. Quality wise, this article is horrible imho - and I did some edits some time back to fix it - then got occupied with other stuff. Current happenings and most of the "famous people" part are just noise. I removed a lot from that famous people part, but people keep adding.
- Have to admit that most of editors in this page are not veterans compared to the pages you mentioned - and it shows. Greenleaf 06:12, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
"Life on Sri Lanka has been marred by more than two decades of ethnic conflict, mainly between the national government and the Tamil militant separatist groups led predominately by the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE, pronounced L-T-T-E) insurgency. In early 2002, the two sides agreed on a ceasefire. The conditions of this ceasefire are currently under renegotiation, and the political stability of the country is uncertain. In late 2005, Sri Lanka's Foreign Minister, Lakshman Kadirgamar was assassinated. President Chandrika Kumaratunga of Sri Lanka blamed the killing on the LTTE. The assasination of the Foreign Minister has plunged the peace process with the LTTE into its worst crisis since 2002."
- I have removed the following section as it doesn't really belong in the top of the page. [User:MapleLeafFan] 09:32, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
6) History section needs corrections. If you want to talk about Kindoms in Sri Lanka, there were three kindoms before the Europeans arrived. There were two Sinhalese kingdoms of Kotte and Kandy and the Tamil kingdom at Jaffna. After the fall of Kindom of Kandy, the British decided to unify the three kindoms under one rule for administrative purposes. Lonely Planet on Sri Lanka states "In 1802 Sri Lanka became a crown colony and in 1818 a unified administration for the island is setup." I would recommend for people to revisit and update the history section.
- I have added info about the three kingdoms. [User:MapleLeafFan] 09:32, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
7) Is the 'culture' section supposed to be blank? Seems like it's been blanked?
Famous Sri Lankans Sections must go!
Unless we come up with some criteria to decide Famous Sri Lankans, it is going to be very subjective. There are lot of questionable people listed in there now. Some of them could be considered as a terrorist in today's world.
- Removed the "Famous Sri Lankans Section" for now. Why ? I have looked any many country profiles India, UK, Australia, Canada and so on. Not a single country provided this list. It is very subject to decide who is a famous person. The current list consists of foreign nationals (Arthur C. Clarke), and many other questionable people. Until we come up with a criteria on who should be considered a Famous person, we should omit the section for now. [MapleLeafFan] 1 November 2005.
P-TOMS info added
Added some info about the P-TOMS in the history page as it was a crutial agreement for Tsunami relief.
North and East province
We don't have North and East as two province anymore. They are currently under one province of North Eastern province.
Removing most of the external link
Wikipedia is not a mirror or a repository of links, images, or media files. What Wikipedia is not!
Accuracy
In 1978 under the new constitution of JR Jayawardene, the country's title was changed from 'Free Sovereign and Independent Republic' to 'Democratic Socialist Republic'. Kotte was not made the capital in 1978 but in 1982. 220.247.226.110 13:44, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
Capitol City
To be clear, is Kotte or Colombo the capitol city of Sri Lanka, and if there is dispute of this, should not both be listed with context? - Hidoshi 04:46, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
- Nope Kotte is the capitol, Colombo is just the largest city. The parliament & most government offieces are in kotte. Suren
- Some govt. offices remain in Colombo. I denoted Colombo as former capital in the infobox. El_C 11:36, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
- I think this choice is confusing. The infoboxes, in my view, are meant to provide at-a-glance summaries of the current status of the country, not historic material. The article text should indicate that all or part of the government moved from Colombo to Kotte, and when it happened. --Epl 06:55, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
- There should be no dispute here. Kotte is the administrative capital. --Preveen 09:43, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
- Yes, and these fact should be reflected in the articles on Colombo and Kotte as well. Presently, they are not. --Epl 06:55, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
Reordering
We should move the geography section to the top of the page, nearer history, actually before history. And include the longitude and latitude (No, I don't know what they are) I'm rambling, ok here is the proposal. We reorder the existing sections as Geograhpy, Provinces, Ecology, Demographics, History, Politics and Economy. Rest of the sections stay as is.
Also propose moving the P-TOMS from History to Politics. I'm not really sure about this usage of the Politics section, tho. Seems to me that we should not be putting current affair like the current events, but rather a description of how it's supposed to work, like the 1st 2 paragraphs in the section. --Preveen 09:55, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
Religion in Sri Lanka
A section on religion in Sri Lanka, particularly with respect to the Sinhalese and Tamil, would be very fitting. --Epl 06:57, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
Assessment comment
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Wasnt independance declared in 1947. Remember 50th anniversary celebrations in 1997? |
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