Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joshua Levy

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The result was delete. SoWhy 19:00, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Joshua Levy

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WP:BLP of a writer, who doesn't have a strong claim of notability under WP:AUTHOR or particularly strong reliable source coverage to carry a WP:GNG pass. He's the bylined creator, not the subject, of 10 of the 12 footnotes, and one more is his "our contributors" note in the general episode preview of one of the first ten — but, as always, writers do not get over our notability standards by being the creators of coverage about other things, they get over our notability standards by being the subject of coverage written by other people. Which means the only source here that isn't a complete non-starter in terms of establishing his notability is #4, "Montreal is in my DNA" — but that piece of coverage is from the same media outlet that hired him for the closest thing to an actual notability claim here, which means it isn't independent of him for the purposes of helping him get over GNG. All of which means that nothing here is enough to deem him notable. Bearcat (talk) 17:42, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Quebec-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 17:45, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 17:45, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

• Keep while I did not approve this page through AfC I did comment "My gut says he is notable. He is certainly prolific and funded by the CBC is impressive. Anything that can be added where other people talk about him and his work would be very helpful to establish notability" This is just a new stub and can be expanded. There are many pages in AfC that are far more worthy of deletion then this page. Legacypac (talk) 17:58, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Notability is not demonstrated by how prolific a person is, it's demonstrated by how much attention he does or doesn't receive as the subject of coverage, and an individual CBC station in a media market is not the same thing as the national network. Bearcat (talk) 20:38, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

• Comment I kept this during a round of G13 tagging. Pinging User:Chetsford as the one who accepted the draft. -- » Shadowowl | talk 18:11, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
• Delete a non-notable poet.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:06, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
• Weak Keep (ed updated below) For full disclosure, I passed this through AfC. That said, when I passed it I did feel it was right on the edge, so I can appreciate the position of the Delete !votes. I ultimately felt it was worthy of mainspace under criteria 1 (award of significance or multiple nominations for significant awards) for WP:ANYBIO on the basis of (a) being the CBC Montreal / Quebec Writers' Federation writer in residence, and, (b) being on the CBC national 2017 non-fiction longlist [1] in combination with the Montreal International Poetry Prize longlist [2]. While the former ("a") is not exactly the Pulitzer Prize or the Man Booker Award, we seem to accept penultimate regional literary awards as being of significance based on the fact that many of the state poet laureates are notable only for being a state poet laureate. That said, I am aware this veers sharply into the realm of WP:OTHERTHINGS, on which basis I'm giving this only a weak keep (in fact, the weakest keep). Chetsford (talk) 05:30, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 16:48, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

• Delete probably just WP:TOOSOON. this writer is widely published, but we need SECONDARY sources that are about his work, or his life. Or a major prize.E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:09, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 09:00, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 13:28, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

• Delete. No apparent significant critical reviews of his work. DGG ( talk ) 01:53, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
• Delete per nom, prior comments and lack of notable examples of his work. Redditaddict_6_9 02:50, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
• Delete Borderline... but we shouldn't be keeping borderline BLP . Agree this may be case of WP:TOOSOON. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ammarpad (talk • contribs) 18 August 2018 (UTC)
• Keep per Chetsford. -- Gprscrippers (talk) 16:53, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

• Please look at WP:AUTHOR. What we look for are things like book reviews, prizes, and INDEPTH coverage of the writer or her/his work. Levy has none of this.E.M.Gregory (talk) 10:28, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

• Neutral While I believed the CBC Montreal / Quebec Writers' Federation writer in residence and the CBC longlist qualified under NAUTHOR's inherent notability for multiple prizes, in reading the above discussion, and E.M.Gregory's comments, I am no longer convinced and am refactoring my !vote from Weak Keep to Neutral. Chetsford (talk) 03:33, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

• Note that the article is entirely PRIMARY sourced. Mostly sourced to short stories by Levy. There are also 2 segments wher ethe CBC "takes a listen to home recordings" and a Levy family recording is includes, plus "'Montreal is in my DNA': Meet Joshua Levy," introducing him as this year's writer-in-residence. We need SECONDARY.E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:11, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
• Keep. I believe Chetsford felt badgered into changing their vote. The subject accomplished a notable award (writer in residence at the CBC, Canada's national TV/radio network), has had their works reviewed, and certainly meets WP:GNG at the very least. Ifnord (talk) 16:47, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

• Although the CBC is a national network, Levy was not selected by the CBC Nationa,. He was selected by CBC Quebec. The 2017 CBC/QWF's 2017 writer-in-residence was Sarah Lolley [3]. As for reviews, I have found no reviews of his work. Published reviews are precisely the sort of thing that does help pass WP:AUTHOR. User:Ifnord, if you have found reviews, please bring to them to the page.E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:51, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

• Delete with similar thoughts to Ammarpad Daask (talk) 21:18, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.