Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Glass Fortress (film): Difference between revisions

Content deleted Content added

Inline

Latest revision as of 03:55, 12 September 2018

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Before renominating, consider Mortee's suggestion to merge it to the novel's page So Why 15:26, 11 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Glass Fortress (film)

[Hide this box] New to Articles for deletion (AfD)? Read these primers!

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Non-notable film, no independent coverage on the film itself, does not meet WP:NF BOVINEBOY2008 22:24, 12 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - "The Glass Fortress (film)" article^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4]^[5]^[6]^[7]^[8]^[9] seems worthy to Keep since the film is related to "We (novel)" (a classic russian novel), "We (1982 film)" (a classic german film), "La Jetée" (a classic french photomontage film) and to "12 Monkeys" (a very popular classic american film by "Terry Gilliam") - hope this helps in some way - in any case - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 22:36, 12 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Real, Willi (2015). "The Glass Fortress, based upon Yevgeny Zamyatin's We (first published in an English translation in 1924)". Academia.edu. Retrieved July 12, 2018.
^ Khayati, Anass (March 2015). "Review of "The Glass Fortress"". Academia.edu. Retrieved July 14, 2018.
^ Wittick, Louis (June 6, 2016). "The Glass Fortress". SciFi4Ever.com. Retrieved July 12, 2018.
^ Erlich, Richard D.; Dunn, Thomas P. (April 29, 2016). "The Glass Fortress". ClockWorks2.org. Retrieved July 12, 2018.
^ Arnaud, Isabelle (2018). "The Glass Fortress : Le court métrage". UnificationFrance.com (in French). Retrieved July 12, 2018.
^ Vialo, Orianne (June 27, 2016). "La dystopie au coeur de l'adaptation de Nous Autres, par Alain Bourret". ActuaLitte.com (in French). Retrieved July 12, 2018.
^ Staff (2016). "Rémi Orts Project & Alan B – The Glass Fortress - Film". Rémi Orts. Retrieved July 12, 2018.
^ Staff (2016). "Rémi Orts Project & Alan B – The Glass Fortress - Music". Rémi Orts. Retrieved July 12, 2018.
^ Staff (2016). "The Glass Fortress". Facebook. Retrieved July 12, 2018.

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science fiction-related deletion discussions. Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk to me • ✍️ Contributions) 00:29, 13 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk to me • ✍️ Contributions) 00:29, 13 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions. Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk to me • ✍️ Contributions) 00:29, 13 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sources that are published by the creator of the film, social media posts, non-professional reviews, and articles that only briefly mention this film do not establish its notability. See WP:NF. BOVINEBOY2008 16:09, 13 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seraphim System ^(talk) 14:45, 19 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Lourdes 16:37, 26 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Film does not have enough sources to be required to be an article. RavenLord64 (talk) 22:24, 26 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@RavenLord64: Seems there's sufficient reference sources presented (see listing above) for The Glass Fortress (film) article - perhaps more than many other articles that are not WP:AfD - for examples, see => This Category? - particular examples are Martian Land with zero references? and Second Origin with only one reference? - there may be many more - in any case - see listing of relevant reference sources above for The Glass Fortress (film) article - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 01:40, 27 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Amory (u • t • c) 21:36, 2 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Most sources don't look independent/reliable (WP:NFSOURCES), and the notable works that it draws from don't make it notable (WP:NOTINHERITED). Jigj (talk) 07:14, 4 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into We (novel). I can't improve on the sources listed above, which I'm afraid aren't enough to establish notability. The first two are unpublished (afaik) reviews uploaded by the director, then a wiki, a blog post, this, which might be something, then two pages by the instrumentalist, then a Facebook page. 16 Google hits total for the French title in quotes, none helpful. In all, these aren't reliable and independent enough to sustain an article. The article is also dedicated solely to the 28-minute film, whereas the sources, such as they are, are mostly about the earlier 60-minute concept album by the same team. The mention at We (novel) should be clarified to distinguish those from one another and add a few of the core details from this article (black and white, freeze frame similarity to La Jetée). If other articles have even less discoverable references, you're welcome to start AfD discussions about them. › Mortee _talk 01:17, 8 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete the sources given do not sufficiently establish notability as they're press releases or unreliable sites. The director and film title together garner only 51 results, proving a lack of substantial sourcing. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 23:46, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

[AE-2015-1] Real, Willi (2015). "The Glass Fortress, based upon Yevgeny Zamyatin's We (first published in an English translation in 1924)". Academia.edu. Retrieved July 12, 2018.

[AE-201503-2] Khayati, Anass (March 2015). "Review of "The Glass Fortress"". Academia.edu. Retrieved July 14, 2018.

[SF-20160606-3] Wittick, Louis (June 6, 2016). "The Glass Fortress". SciFi4Ever.com. Retrieved July 12, 2018.

[CW-20160429-4] Erlich, Richard D.; Dunn, Thomas P. (April 29, 2016). "The Glass Fortress". ClockWorks2.org. Retrieved July 12, 2018.

[UF-2018-5] Arnaud, Isabelle (2018). "The Glass Fortress : Le court métrage". UnificationFrance.com (in French). Retrieved July 12, 2018.

[AL-20160627-6] Vialo, Orianne (June 27, 2016). "La dystopie au coeur de l'adaptation de Nous Autres, par Alain Bourret". ActuaLitte.com (in French). Retrieved July 12, 2018.

[RO-2016-film-7] Staff (2016). "Rémi Orts Project & Alan B – The Glass Fortress - Film". Rémi Orts. Retrieved July 12, 2018.

[RO-2016-music-8] Staff (2016). "Rémi Orts Project & Alan B – The Glass Fortress - Music". Rémi Orts. Retrieved July 12, 2018.

[FB-2016-9] Staff (2016). "The Glass Fortress". Facebook. Retrieved July 12, 2018.

[1]

[2]

[3]

[4]

[5]

[6]

[7]

[8]

[9]

@@ Line 1: / Line 1: @@
+<div class="boilerplate afd vfd xfd-closed" style="background-color: #F3F9FF; margin: 2em 0 0 0; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;">
-===[[:The Glass Fortress (film)]]===
+:''The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span>  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).  No further edits should be made to this page.''
-{{REMOVE THIS TEMPLATE WHEN CLOSING THIS AfD|M}}
+<!--Template:Afd top
+Note:  If you are seeing this page as a result of an attempt to re-nominate an article for deletion, you must manually edit the AfD nomination links to create a new discussion page using the name format of [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/PAGENAME (2nd nomination)]].  When you create the new discussion page, please provide a link to this old discussion in your nomination. -->
+The result was '''no consensus'''. Before renominating, consider Mortee's suggestion to merge it to the novel's page [[User:SoWhy|<b style="color:#7A2F2F; font-variant:small-caps">So</b>]][[User talk:SoWhy|<b style="color:#474F84; font-variant:small-caps">Why</b>]] 15:26, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
+===[[:The Glass Fortress (film)]]===
 <noinclude>{{AFD help}}</noinclude>
 :{{la|The Glass Fortress (film)}} – (<includeonly>[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Glass Fortress (film)|View AfD]]</includeonly><noinclude>[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2018 August 2#{{anchorencode:The Glass Fortress (film)}}|View log]]</noinclude>{{int:dot-separator}} <span class="plainlinks">[https://tools.wmflabs.org/jackbot/snottywong/cgi-bin/votecounter.cgi?page=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/The_Glass_Fortress_(film) Stats]</span>)
@@ Line 8: / Line 13: @@
 *'''Keep''' - "[[The Glass Fortress (film)]]" article<ref name="AE-2015">{{cite web |last=Real |first=Willi |title= The Glass Fortress, based upon Yevgeny Zamyatin's We (first published in an English translation in 1924)|url=http://www.academia.edu/11088645/The_Glass_Fortress |date=2015 |work=[[Academia.edu]] |accessdate=July 12, 2018 }}</ref><ref name="AE-201503">{{cite web |last=Khayati |first=Anass |title=Review of "The Glass Fortress" |url=http://www.academia.edu/23853368/Review_of_the_Glass_Fortress_by_Anass_Khayati |date=March 2015 |work=[[Academia.edu]] |accessdate=July 14, 2018 }}</ref><ref name="SF-20160606">{{cite web |last=Wittick |first=Louis |title=The Glass Fortress |url=http://www.scifi4ever.com/cinema-0097-the-glass-fortress.html |date=June 6, 2016 |work=SciFi4Ever.com |accessdate=July 12, 2018 }}</ref><ref name="CW-20160429">{{cite web |last1=Erlich |first1=Richard D. |last2=Dunn |first2=Thomas P. |title=The Glass Fortress |url=http://www.clockworks2.org/wiki/index.php?title=THE_GLASS_FORTRESS |date=April 29, 2016 |work=ClockWorks2.org |accessdate=July 12, 2018 }}</ref><ref name="UF-2018">{{cite web |last=Arnaud |first=Isabelle |title=The Glass Fortress : Le court métrage |url=http://www.unificationfrance.com/article45501.html |language=fr |date=2018 |work=UnificationFrance.com |accessdate=July 12, 2018 }}</ref><ref name="AL-20160627">{{cite web |last=Vialo |first=Orianne |title=La dystopie au coeur de l'adaptation de Nous Autres, par Alain Bourret |url=https://www.actualitte.com/article/monde-edition/la-dystopie-au-coeur-de-l-adaptation-de-nous-autres-par-alain-bourret/65659 |language=fr |date=June 27, 2016 |work=ActuaLitte.com |accessdate=July 12, 2018 }}</ref><ref name="RO-2016-film">{{cite web |author=Staff |title=Rémi Orts Project & Alan B – The Glass Fortress - Film |url=http://www.remiorts.com/films-court-metrage/ |date=2016 |work=Rémi Orts |accessdate=July 12, 2018 }}</ref><ref name="RO-2016-music">{{cite web |author=Staff |title=Rémi Orts Project & Alan B – The Glass Fortress - Music |url=http://www.remiorts.com/albums/the-glass-fortress/ |date=2016 |work=Rémi Orts |accessdate=July 12, 2018 }}</ref><ref name="FB-2016">{{cite web |author=Staff |title=The Glass Fortress |url=https://www.facebook.com/theglassfortress/ |date=2016 |work=[[Facebook]] |accessdate=July 12, 2018 }}</ref> seems worthy to Keep since the film is related to "[[We (novel)]]" (a classic russian novel), "[[We (1982 film)]]" (a classic german film), "[[La Jetée]]" (a classic french photomontage film) and to "[[12 Monkeys]]" (a very popular classic american film by "[[Terry Gilliam]]") - hope this helps in some way - in any case - Enjoy! :) [[User:Drbogdan|Drbogdan]] ([[User talk:Drbogdan|talk]]) 22:36, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
 {{reflist-talk}}
-:<small class="delsort-notice">Note:  This discussion has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Science fiction|list of Science fiction-related deletion discussions]]. [[User:Tyw7|<i style="font-family:'Rock salt','Comic Sans MS','Courier New',Verdana; color: Green;">Tyw7</i>]]&nbsp;&nbsp;([[User:Tyw7/t|🗣️ Talk to me]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[User:Tyw7/Contributions|✍️ Contributions]]) 00:29, 13 July 2018 (UTC)</small>
+:<small class="delsort-notice">Note:  This discussion has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Science fiction|list of Science fiction-related deletion discussions]]. [[User:Tyw7|<i style="font-family:'Rock salt','Comic Sans MS','Courier New',Verdana; color: Green;">Tyw7</i>]]&nbsp;&nbsp;([[User talk:Tyw7|🗣️ Talk to me]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[User:Tyw7/Contributions|✍️ Contributions]]) 00:29, 13 July 2018 (UTC)</small>
-:<small class="delsort-notice">Note:  This discussion has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Film|list of Film-related deletion discussions]]. [[User:Tyw7|<i style="font-family:'Rock salt','Comic Sans MS','Courier New',Verdana; color: Green;">Tyw7</i>]]&nbsp;&nbsp;([[User:Tyw7/t|🗣️ Talk to me]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[User:Tyw7/Contributions|✍️ Contributions]]) 00:29, 13 July 2018 (UTC)</small>
+:<small class="delsort-notice">Note:  This discussion has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Film|list of Film-related deletion discussions]]. [[User:Tyw7|<i style="font-family:'Rock salt','Comic Sans MS','Courier New',Verdana; color: Green;">Tyw7</i>]]&nbsp;&nbsp;([[User talk:Tyw7|🗣️ Talk to me]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[User:Tyw7/Contributions|✍️ Contributions]]) 00:29, 13 July 2018 (UTC)</small>
-:<small class="delsort-notice">Note:  This discussion has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/France|list of France-related deletion discussions]]. [[User:Tyw7|<i style="font-family:'Rock salt','Comic Sans MS','Courier New',Verdana; color: Green;">Tyw7</i>]]&nbsp;&nbsp;([[User:Tyw7/t|🗣️ Talk to me]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[User:Tyw7/Contributions|✍️ Contributions]]) 00:29, 13 July 2018 (UTC)</small>
+:<small class="delsort-notice">Note:  This discussion has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/France|list of France-related deletion discussions]]. [[User:Tyw7|<i style="font-family:'Rock salt','Comic Sans MS','Courier New',Verdana; color: Green;">Tyw7</i>]]&nbsp;&nbsp;([[User talk:Tyw7|🗣️ Talk to me]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[User:Tyw7/Contributions|✍️ Contributions]]) 00:29, 13 July 2018 (UTC)</small>
 ::Sources that are published by the creator of the film, social media posts, non-professional reviews, and articles that only briefly mention this film do not establish its notability. See [[WP:NF]]. <small>[[User:Bovineboy2008|BOVINEBOY]]</small>[[User talk:Bovineboy2008|2008]] 16:09, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
 <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"><span style="color: #FF6600;">'''{{resize|91%|[[Wikipedia:Deletion process#Relisting discussions|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.}}'''</span><br />
-<small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, [[User:Seraphim System|<span style="font-family:Helvetica; color:#503753; text-shadow:#b3b3cc 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">'''Seraphim System'''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Seraphim System|<span style="color:#009900">talk</span>]])</sup> 14:45, 19 July 2018 (UTC)</small><!-- from Template:Relist --><noinclude>[[Category:Relisted AfD debates|The Glass Fortress (film)]]</noinclude></div><!-- Please add new comments below this line -->
+<small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, [[User:Seraphim System|<span style="font-family:Helvetica; color:#503753; text-shadow:#b3b3cc 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">'''Seraphim System'''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Seraphim System|<span style="color:#009900">talk</span>]])</sup> 14:45, 19 July 2018 (UTC)</small><!-- from Template:Relist --></div><!-- Please add new comments below this line -->
 <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"><span style="color: #FF6600;">'''{{resize|91%|[[Wikipedia:Deletion process#Relisting discussions|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.}}'''</span><br />
-<small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, [[User talk:Lourdes|<span style="color: black">Lourdes</span>]] 16:37, 26 July 2018 (UTC)</small><!-- from Template:Relist --><noinclude>[[Category:Relisted AfD debates|The Glass Fortress (film)]]</noinclude></div><!-- Please add new comments below this line -->
+<small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, [[User talk:Lourdes|<span style="color: black">Lourdes</span>]] 16:37, 26 July 2018 (UTC)</small><!-- from Template:Relist --></div><!-- Please add new comments below this line -->
 *'''Delete''' - Film does not have enough sources to be required to be an article. [[User:RavenLord64|RavenLord64]] ([[User talk:RavenLord64|talk]]) 22:24, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 :*{{reply|RavenLord64}} Seems there's sufficient reference sources presented (see listing above) for ''[[The Glass Fortress (film)]]'' article - perhaps more than many other articles that are not [[WP:AfD]] - for examples, see => [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:2010s_science_fiction_film_stubs This Category]? - particular examples are ''[[Martian Land]]'' with '''zero''' references? and ''[[Second Origin]]'' with '''only one''' reference? - there may be many more - in any case - see listing of relevant reference sources above for ''[[The Glass Fortress (film)]]'' article - Enjoy! :) [[User:Drbogdan|Drbogdan]] ([[User talk:Drbogdan|talk]]) 01:40, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
 <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"><span style="color: #FF6600;">'''{{resize|91%|[[Wikipedia:Deletion process#Relisting discussions|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.}}'''</span><br />
-<small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~  <span style="color:#F09">Amory</span><small style="color:#555"> ''([[User:Amorymeltzer|u]] • [[User talk:Amorymeltzer|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Amorymeltzer|c]])''</small> 21:36, 2 August 2018 (UTC)</small><!-- from Template:Relist --><noinclude>[[Category:Relisted AfD debates|The Glass Fortress (film)]][[Category:AfD debates relisted 3 or more times|3 The Glass Fortress (film)]]</noinclude></div><!-- Please add new comments below this line -->
+<small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~  <span style="color:#F09">Amory</span><small style="color:#555"> ''([[User:Amorymeltzer|u]] • [[User talk:Amorymeltzer|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Amorymeltzer|c]])''</small> 21:36, 2 August 2018 (UTC)</small><!-- from Template:Relist --></div><!-- Please add new comments below this line -->
 *'''Delete''' - Most sources don't look independent/reliable ([[WP:NFSOURCES]]), and the notable works that it draws from don't make it notable ([[WP:NOTINHERITED]]). [[User:Jigj|Jigj]] ([[User talk:Jigj|talk]]) 07:14, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
+*'''Merge''' into [[We (novel)]]. I can't improve on the sources listed above, which I'm afraid aren't enough to establish notability. The first two are unpublished (afaik) reviews uploaded by the director, then a wiki, a blog post, [https://www.actualitte.com/article/monde-edition/la-dystopie-au-coeur-de-l-adaptation-de-nous-autres-par-alain-bourret/65659 this], which ''might'' be something, then two pages by the instrumentalist, then a Facebook page. 16 Google hits total for the French title in quotes, none helpful. In all, these aren't reliable and independent enough to sustain an article. The article is also dedicated solely to the 28-minute film, whereas the sources, such as they are, are mostly about the earlier 60-minute concept album by the same team. The mention at [[We (novel)]] should be clarified to distinguish those from one another and add a few of the core details from this article (black and white, freeze frame similarity to ''La Jetée''). If [[WP:OTHERSTUFF|other articles have even less discoverable references]], you're welcome to start [[WP:AFD|AfD]] discussions about them. ›&nbsp;[[User:Mortee|<span style="color: purple;">Mortee</span>]] [[User talk:Mortee|<sub>talk</sub>]] 01:17, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
+*'''Delete''' the sources given do not sufficiently establish notability as they're press releases or unreliable sites. The director and film title together garner only [https://www.google.com/search?q=%22alain+bourret%22+%22The+Glass+Fortress%22&num=50&rlz=1C1CHZL_enUS703US703&ei=F9JsW-r1KeyJggfNmpfIBg&start=50&sa=N&biw=1366&bih=662 51 results], proving a lack of substantial sourcing. <span style="color:green">'''Ten Pound Hammer'''</span> • <sup>([[User talk:TenPoundHammer|What did I screw up now?]])</sup> 23:46, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
+{{clear}}
+:''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]). No further edits should be made to this page.''<!--Template:Afd bottom--></div>