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The result was keep. Consensus was that the author is notable by WP:AUTHOR and WP:GNG. It was suggested that the article should be improved. (non-admin closure) gidonb (talk) 23:53, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Liz Allen

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Non-notable person. Only sources are about her books, and her claims to fame and other promotional crap are unsourced. » Shadowowl | talk 18:02, 18 September 2018 (UTC

Delete per nom - fails WP:NBIO and WP:GNG. Could be a WP:PROMO violation and/or a case of WP:G11. Kirbanzo (talk) 18:08, 18 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 18:28, 18 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 18:28, 18 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The page is inadequate and under-referenced, but Allen is a figure in Irish journalism. Keep. Bmcln1 (talk) 12:43, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Satisfies GNG and AUTHOR with multiple periodical book reviews. The Irish Times has a review of her book "The Set Up" [1]. There are reviews of her book "Last to Know" in the Irish Independent (29 May 2004), the Irish Times Weekend Review (12 June 2004), Ireland on Sunday (13 June 2004), VIP (13 June 2004) and Irish World (18 June 2004). There are over six hundred library holdings of her books: [2]. James500 (talk) 04:29, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No matter how many times you say it, it does not make it true: library holdings are not an indication of notability, even if you would like to invent and promote that policy in multiple AFDs.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 15:56, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

They are certainly an indication of it, but not a conclusive one for Wikipedia purposes. So James500 gave other reasons for keeping the page as well. Bmcln1 (talk) 16:06, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep but rewrite. The Riih Times articles above are good. I removed two non-RS sources from Goodreads. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 11:56, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, per James500. /Julle (talk) 11:21, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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+The result was '''keep'''. Consensus was that the author is notable by [[WP:AUTHOR]] and [[WP:GNG]]. It was suggested that the article should be improved. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> [[User:Gidonb|gidonb]] ([[User talk:Gidonb|talk]]) 23:53, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
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-Non-notable person. Only sources are about her books, and her claims to fame and other promotional crap are unsourced. <span style="font-weight:bold;color:#aaa;font-variant:small-caps;font-size:10pt"> &raquo; [[User:shadowowl|<span style="color:#525252">Shadowowl</span>]] &#124; [[User_talk:Shadowowl|<span style="color:#4F7D7D">talk</span>]]</span> 18:02, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
+Non-notable person. Only sources are about her books, and her claims to fame and other promotional crap are unsourced. <span style="font-weight:bold;color:#aaa;font-variant:small-caps;font-size:10pt"> &raquo; [[User:shadowowl|<span style="color:#525252">Shadowowl</span>]] &#124; [[User_talk:Shadowowl|<span style="color:#4F7D7D">talk</span>]]</span> 18:02, 18 September 2018 (UTC
+*'''Delete''' per nom - fails [[WP:NBIO]] and [[WP:GNG]]. Could be a [[WP:PROMO]] violation and/or a case of [[WP:G11]]. [[User:Kirbanzo|Kirbanzo]] ([[User talk:Kirbanzo|talk]]) 18:08, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
+:<small class="delsort-notice">Note:  This discussion has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Women|list of Women-related deletion discussions]]. [[User:CAPTAIN RAJU|<span style="font-family: Bradley Hand ITC;">'''CAPTAIN RAJU'''</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:CAPTAIN RAJU|(T)]]</sup> 18:28, 18 September 2018 (UTC)</small>
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+:<small class="delsort-notice">Note:  This discussion has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Ireland|list of Ireland-related deletion discussions]]. [[User:CAPTAIN RAJU|<span style="font-family: Bradley Hand ITC;">'''CAPTAIN RAJU'''</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:CAPTAIN RAJU|(T)]]</sup> 18:28, 18 September 2018 (UTC)</small>
+:<small class="delsort-notice">Note:  This discussion has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Journalism|list of Journalism-related deletion discussions]]. [[User:CAPTAIN RAJU|<span style="font-family: Bradley Hand ITC;">'''CAPTAIN RAJU'''</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:CAPTAIN RAJU|(T)]]</sup> 18:28, 18 September 2018 (UTC)</small>
+*The page is inadequate and under-referenced, but Allen is a figure in Irish journalism. '''Keep'''. [[User:Bmcln1|Bmcln1]] ([[User talk:Bmcln1|talk]]) 12:43, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
+*'''Keep.''' Satisfies GNG and AUTHOR with multiple periodical book reviews. The Irish Times has a review of her book "The Set Up" [https://www.irishtimes.com/news/the-set-up-1.479813%3Fmode%3Damp]. There are reviews of her book "Last to Know" in the Irish Independent (29 May 2004), the Irish Times Weekend Review (12 June 2004), Ireland on Sunday (13 June 2004), VIP (13 June 2004) and Irish World (18 June 2004). There are over six hundred library holdings of her books: [http://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-nb2005012031/]. [[User:James500|James500]] ([[User talk:James500|talk]]) 04:29, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
+::No matter how many times you say it, it does not make it true: library holdings are not an indication of notability, even if you would like to invent and promote that policy in multiple AFDs.[[User:ThatMontrealIP|ThatMontrealIP]] ([[User talk:ThatMontrealIP|talk]]) 15:56, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
+:::They are certainly an indication of it, but not a conclusive one for Wikipedia purposes. So James500 gave other reasons for keeping the page as well. [[User:Bmcln1|Bmcln1]] ([[User talk:Bmcln1|talk]]) 16:06, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
+*'''Keep''' but rewrite. The Riih Times articles above are good. I removed two non-RS sources from Goodreads. [[User:ThatMontrealIP|ThatMontrealIP]] ([[User talk:ThatMontrealIP|talk]]) 11:56, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
+*'''Keep''', per James500. /[[User:Julle|Julle]] ([[User talk:Julle|talk]]) 11:21, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
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