Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2018 November 3

November 3

File:Ace Of Base-All That She Wants.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Explicit (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 03:01, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

File:Ace Of Base-All That She Wants.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Wherelovelives (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

I previously PRODded the music video screenshot of "All That She Wants" because I don't think it meets WP:NFCC#8, i.e. "contextual significance" criterion. To put another way, the image neither improves readers' understanding of the music video itself nor improves readers' understanding of the song. Once removed from the article, I'm confident that readers can still understand the article content without this image. Somehow, the PROD tag was contested and then removed, so I'm taking this to FFD right away. George Ho (talk) 08:49, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

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File:Order of the Arrow sashes.png

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The result of the discussion was: delete. OK, case is convincing that the sash is not copyrighted. That means that the non-free photo now violates WP:NFCC#1 per B's argument and that it should be deleted in favour of an user made freely licensed photo of the sash. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:20, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

File:Order of the Arrow sashes.png (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Gadget850 (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

1950 OA Handbook cover bearing this same sash. This handbook is public domain because the copyright was not renewed.

This is a photo of sashes for the Order of the Arrow being used under a claim of fair use. The claim is that the sashes themselves are copyrighted and so it is not possible to have a free image of them. We had a lengthy NFCR a few years ago that was largely sidetracked by the (incorrect) claim that the BSA charter confers some sort of perpetual copyright on Boy Scout symbols. (This, of course, cannot be correct since it would be unconstitutional.) A 1950 Order of the Arrow handbook - available at [1] on the right - depicts the Ordeal sash basically exactly as it is. (I found another site that has a scan of much of the 1950 handbook (albeit, oddly, with a different cover) and, though it DOES have a copyright notice, conducted a search and it was not renewed.) Some argued in the NFCR whether giving a sash out to members constituted "publication", well, registering a copyright most certainly counts as publication and since they failed to renew it, the 1950 Order of the Arrow handbook (which depicts exactly this sash) is public domain. So we can take our own photo of these public domain sashes (or crop a flickr photo). (Personally, I think that the copyright was lost the first time a sash was handed out to a Boy Scout without a copyright notice. But it certainly was when they failed to renew the copyright on a published work.) B (talk) 19:42, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Keep-geometric shapes that don't meet threshold of originality, and already reduced so as to conform to Wikipedia standards.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 18:53, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

@Kintetsubuffalo: I'm not sure you understand the reason for this nomination. The point is that the sashes themselves are public domain and we should be able to photograph and upload a full-resolution version of them. --B (talk) 14:52, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 06:13, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

• PD. It's the same work as on the cover of the PD book. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 16:52, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 06:14, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:54, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

• Just to be clear what I'm saying, I'm contending that the sash itself is public domain and so we should delete this photo (which is a photo of a 3D object and therefore the photo itself gets copyright protection) and re-take or otherwise obtain our own photo of the OA sashes. (e.g. [2] has an Ordeal sash that we could extract. And I think I probably have some decent photos of my own authorship of all three sashes.) --B (talk) 00:15, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

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File:All That She Wants.jpg

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File:All That She Wants.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Wherelovelives (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

Similar to Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2016 August 16#File:TheSign2.jpg, the US single of "All That She Wants" isn't necessary for a song made by Swedish, non-American band Ace of Base. There's already the European cover art. Even when the US release was a hit and best-seller, omitting this image would not affect readers' understanding of the song itself because the article is not about the image itself. While reinserting the US cover art would be tempting if it is deleted, the European cover art is adequate enough, and extra covers aren't necessary. George Ho (talk) 09:03, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

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File:Wikihow How to Lose Weight Fast Step 3.jpeg

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File:Wikihow How to Lose Weight Fast Step 3.jpeg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Atomicdragon136 (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

This is claimed as self (CC-BY-SA), but the license on the given source is by-nc-sa. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 18:20, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

I just noticed I accidentally used the wrong tag. I changed it to fair use tag because the image is noncommercial.--Atomicdragon136 (talk) 19:47, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Atomicdragon136, Could you also add a Non-free use rationale to the file page? Thanks, AntiCompositeNumber (talk) 00:13, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

• Delete - Per WP:NFCC#8, omitting the image of animated woman alongside silhouettes performing exercise doesn't affect readers' understanding of the website itself. We can trust readers to understand what the article says without it, right? --George Ho (talk) 22:01, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

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File:Codescene-screenshot.png

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The result of the discussion was: convert to fair use. ℯxplicit 01:05, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

File:Codescene-screenshot.png (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Labatitude (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

This is a screenshot claimed under a self license, but the license of the software concerned is proprietary. A clarification is needed as to why this can be licensed under a PD-self style license. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 18:35, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing this out. I've modified license and am using a lower resolution image and a non-free screenshot rationale template. Labatitude (talk) 08:54, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

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