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The result was '''no consensus'''. This debate suffered from low participation, hence no prejudice to a renomination in a month or so. [[User:Randykitty|Randykitty]] ([[User talk:Randykitty|talk]]) 19:01, 26 March 2019 (UTC) |
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Non-notable artist. Sourced by weak mentions. Promotional. [[User:ThatMontrealIP|ThatMontrealIP]] ([[User talk:ThatMontrealIP|talk]]) 15:57, 5 March 2019 (UTC) |
Non-notable artist. Sourced by weak mentions. Promotional. [[User:ThatMontrealIP|ThatMontrealIP]] ([[User talk:ThatMontrealIP|talk]]) 15:57, 5 March 2019 (UTC) |
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:<small class="delsort-notice">Note: This discussion has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Florida|list of Florida-related deletion discussions]]. '''[[User:J947|<span style="color: #1009bf;">J</span>]][[User talk:J947|<span style="color: #137412;">947</span>]]''' <sup><sup><sup>([[Special:Contributions/J947|c]])</sup></sup></sup>, at 04:13, 6 March 2019 (UTC)</small> |
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*The President of one of the largest - if not the largest - artists' organization in the USA is definately notable enough for inclusion in WP - especially since she has been representing us in the battles against the City of Alexandria's takeover of the Torpedo Factory! [[Special:Contributions/64.26.99.248|64.26.99.248]] ([[User talk:64.26.99.248|talk]]) 21:48, 8 March 2019 (UTC) |
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::Being president of something does not contribute to notability, unless people write about you. If you have links to articles in newspapers, post them here. [[User:ThatMontrealIP|ThatMontrealIP]] ([[User talk:ThatMontrealIP|talk]]) 22:36, 8 March 2019 (UTC) |
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My apologies as I'm not sure if I'm doing this right, but it seems to us that "Being the president of something does not contribute to notability, unless people write about you", with all due respect, seems to be a short-sighted and far-away viewpoint (Montreal?) which is not aware of the trails and tribulations that the Torpedo Factory artists have experienced over the last few years in their struggles versus the City of Alexandria - and instead of the articles "being about you" (in this case Ms. Davis and/or her successor), the articles and the debate have been about the issues - the multiple issues carried forward by Davis and others, but led by the Presidents of one of the largest artist's organization in the country. Perhaps the article on Davis should focus more attention on that aspect of her artistic presence? I do not mean to start an online argument or debate - but we do mean to try to enter that there are a lot of us here in Alexandria who think that she is indeed notable-enough for a Wiki article. [[Special:Contributions/64.26.99.248|64.26.99.248]] ([[User talk:64.26.99.248|talk]]) 20:55, 18 March 2019 (UTC) |
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::We judge notability based on established sources, per [[WP:notability]]. All the things you say are helpful and relevant to a particular community's situation, but they are essentially subjective. In order to make Wikipedia as neutral as possible, we go on the fact that people have been independently been written about by good publications with independent editorial teams. So it really is all about the sources, and very little about the situation. As well, the location of our editors is irrelevant. Wikipedia editors from the opposite side of the globe are able to more or less objectively edit articles on subjects on the other side of the globe-- based on their use of the relevant policy and by relying on globally published sources to back up claims made in articles. [[User:ThatMontrealIP|ThatMontrealIP]] ([[User talk:ThatMontrealIP|talk]]) 03:49, 19 March 2019 (UTC) |
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*'''Comment''' leaning to delete, but this is a bit of a mess. Tanya Davis probably doesn't meet [[WP:ARTIST]], as the awards don't rise to the level expected here, and I couldn't verify the UMD Art Gallery collection. [[Torpedo Factory Artists' Association]] is not one of the largest artist associations in the country; it is a 281 member artist center in Alexandria Virginia. It might meet notability, as there are an abundance of passing references in the Washington Post, and other regional papers going back into the 1980s, along with a few in-depth articles, which mostly focus on the recent relationship between the Torpedo and the city of Alexandria. I'm pretty neutral about Davis, and probably would give weak support for an article about Torpedo. --[[User:Theredproject|Theredproject]] ([[User talk:Theredproject|talk]]) 13:02, 23 March 2019 (UTC) |
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::Things I would want clarification on before !voting to keep: |
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::*Is her work actually in Maryland Artist’s Collection, University of Maryland University College |
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::*What is the 2002 Art & Antiques Magazine Award of Excellence, and can we verify it (I tried, and couldn't) |
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::*Does being a Signature Member of the National Watercolor Society mean much? They [https://www.nationalwatercolorsociety.org/page-1852946 list 750 of them on their website], so I'm guessing it doesn't mean much more than being a dues paying member? --[[User:Theredproject|Theredproject]] ([[User talk:Theredproject|talk]]) 13:10, 23 March 2019 (UTC) |
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The result was no consensus. This debate suffered from low participation, hence no prejudice to a renomination in a month or so. Randykitty (talk) 19:01, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
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Non-notable artist. Sourced by weak mentions. Promotional. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 15:57, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Artists-related deletion discussions. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 15:58, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 15:58, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Washington, D.C.-related deletion discussions. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 15:58, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Florida-related deletion discussions. J947 (c), at 04:13, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
- The President of one of the largest - if not the largest - artists' organization in the USA is definately notable enough for inclusion in WP - especially since she has been representing us in the battles against the City of Alexandria's takeover of the Torpedo Factory! 64.26.99.248 (talk) 21:48, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
- Being president of something does not contribute to notability, unless people write about you. If you have links to articles in newspapers, post them here. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 22:36, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jovanmilic97 (talk) 18:07, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
My apologies as I'm not sure if I'm doing this right, but it seems to us that "Being the president of something does not contribute to notability, unless people write about you", with all due respect, seems to be a short-sighted and far-away viewpoint (Montreal?) which is not aware of the trails and tribulations that the Torpedo Factory artists have experienced over the last few years in their struggles versus the City of Alexandria - and instead of the articles "being about you" (in this case Ms. Davis and/or her successor), the articles and the debate have been about the issues - the multiple issues carried forward by Davis and others, but led by the Presidents of one of the largest artist's organization in the country. Perhaps the article on Davis should focus more attention on that aspect of her artistic presence? I do not mean to start an online argument or debate - but we do mean to try to enter that there are a lot of us here in Alexandria who think that she is indeed notable-enough for a Wiki article. 64.26.99.248 (talk) 20:55, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
- We judge notability based on established sources, per WP:notability. All the things you say are helpful and relevant to a particular community's situation, but they are essentially subjective. In order to make Wikipedia as neutral as possible, we go on the fact that people have been independently been written about by good publications with independent editorial teams. So it really is all about the sources, and very little about the situation. As well, the location of our editors is irrelevant. Wikipedia editors from the opposite side of the globe are able to more or less objectively edit articles on subjects on the other side of the globe-- based on their use of the relevant policy and by relying on globally published sources to back up claims made in articles. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 03:49, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jovanmilic97 (talk) 18:24, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 00:08, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
- Comment leaning to delete, but this is a bit of a mess. Tanya Davis probably doesn't meet WP:ARTIST, as the awards don't rise to the level expected here, and I couldn't verify the UMD Art Gallery collection. Torpedo Factory Artists' Association is not one of the largest artist associations in the country; it is a 281 member artist center in Alexandria Virginia. It might meet notability, as there are an abundance of passing references in the Washington Post, and other regional papers going back into the 1980s, along with a few in-depth articles, which mostly focus on the recent relationship between the Torpedo and the city of Alexandria. I'm pretty neutral about Davis, and probably would give weak support for an article about Torpedo. --Theredproject (talk) 13:02, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
- Things I would want clarification on before !voting to keep:
- Is her work actually in Maryland Artist’s Collection, University of Maryland University College
- What is the 2002 Art & Antiques Magazine Award of Excellence, and can we verify it (I tried, and couldn't)
- Does being a Signature Member of the National Watercolor Society mean much? They list 750 of them on their website, so I'm guessing it doesn't mean much more than being a dues paying member? --Theredproject (talk) 13:10, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
- Things I would want clarification on before !voting to keep:
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.