Talk:Achilles Last Stand/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Markworthen (talk · contribs) 19:47, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

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This article is B-class, and close to Good Article status, but it needs a bit more work before it becomes a Good Article.

1. Is it well written?

   A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:

   The article needs some copy editing to meet GA criteria. For example, from the lead paragraph:

   "... began writing it in the summer of 1975 and were influenced by Eastern music, mythology, and travels." ==> "travels" needs explication, e.g., "their travels, especially time spent in Morocco."

   "... and one of their most complex, with different interwoven sections and multiple overdubbed guitar parts." ==> "different interwoven sections" could be improved by describing two sections that are interwoven. The goal would be to give the reader an aural or visual "picture" of this aspect of the song. I don't possess enough knowledge on this point to offer an example.

   Also see this edit I made, as another example.

   B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:

2. Is it verifiable with no original research?

   A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:

   B. All in-line citations are from reliable sources, including those for direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counter-intuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, and contentious material relating to living persons—science-based articles should follow the scientific citation guidelines:

   C. It contains no original research:

   D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:

   B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):

4. Is it neutral?

   It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:

5. Is it stable?

   It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:

6. Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?

Photographs or other images needed.

A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:

No images yet. (But see suggestions, below.)

B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:

No images yet. (But see suggestions, below.)

1. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

   This article is close to GA status. I recommend that interested Wikipedians (1) request copy editing by the Guild of Copy Editors or recruit a particularly skilled writer or two to fine-tune the prose; (2) add some images, e.g., of Achilles; Jimmy Page or Page and Plant during the band's 1977 tour or subsequent performances; and (3) Nominate the article for GA Review again. :O)   - Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) (I am a man. The traditional male pronouns are fine.) 20:32, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Markworthen: Thanks for your suggestions. I added a request for copy editing. I have a question about the photo of Page and Plant: it shows Page playing a twin-neck guitar, but in the article he is quoted as saying "I thought I'd have to use the twin-neck [6- and 12-string Gibson EDS-1275 guitar] but it actually sounded better with the six string using different effects." Would readers find this inconsistent? I added the photo of Jones playing an 8-string bass, which is referenced in the article. It's not very good quality, but the choices at Commons are limited. —Ojorojo (talk) 23:12, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Oh wow, good catch! I will remove the photo for the reason you stated. Thank you!   - Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) (I am a man. The traditional male pronouns are fine.) 23:14, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

It seems like there should be some mention of the missing apostrophe in the song's title. Surely one of the cited sources mentions it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 09:13, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Shadwick (Led Zeppelin: The Story of a Band and Their Music 1968–1980) appears to be the only one who discusses the song in any detail who uses "Achilles' Last Stand", but does not explain why he deviates from the actual title. It is common for the titles of popular music songs to not adhere to formal grammatical rules ("Nuthin' but a 'G' Thang", etc.) and most readers will understand this. However, in the interest of completeness, I added an explanatory footnote. BTW, good catch on the Fast cite oversight. —Ojorojo (talk) 14:06, 26 May 2019 (UTC)