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The result was keep. Tone 19:03, 3 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Norbelis Lameda

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No English sources. Yes, I know. But there should be a majority of English sources in the article on English Wikipedia, or where is the information going to come from? Vmavanti (talk) 17:51, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 17:54, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Venezuela-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 17:54, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Procedural keep. The nominator has not advanced a valid reason for deletion. Mccapra (talk) 18:15, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Not a valid reason for deletion. WP:NONENG states "Citations to non-English reliable sources are allowed on the English Wikipedia. However, because this project is in English, English-language sources are preferred over non-English ones when available and of equal quality and relevance." It does not say "there should be a majority of English sources in the article on English Wikipedia". As for where the information is going to come from - any editor who can read Spanish, or is capable of intelligently using an online translating tool. RebeccaGreen (talk) 18:57, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: @RebeccaGreen: I agree that the nominator's rationale for deletion isn't valid. But that doesn't invalidate the fact that there is a lack in sources in Spanish as well. This article and the related Pandijazz are almost certainly written by Ms Lameda or someone involved with the band, and sourced either to their social media or the official website of their home town of Barquisimeto. The only other sources are El Impulso (a newspaper also based in Barquisimeto) and El Sumario which is just a news agency reproducing stories from elsewhere. This might need withdrawing and resubmitting. Richard3120 (talk) 16:35, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I think that is what Mccapra and I are saying - this should be a procedural Keep, and if anyone wants to renominate it with valid reasons for deletion, they can do so. RebeccaGreen (talk) 17:03, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, okay, I just wanted to clarify that – I agree with your reasoning. Richard3120 (talk) 17:10, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes agreed. Mccapra (talk) 17:39, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep not an argument for deletion; Vmavanti, kindly come up with a real reason why this should be deleted, or withdraw this. Zingarese talk · contribs 17:43, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not enough sources. Not notable.
Vmavanti (talk) 18:11, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment If we're going to be discussing the sources in the article (even though "Not enough sources" is not a valid reason for deletion either), the El Sumario article says "Texto y producción @idafebres", and Ida Febres is in the list of El Sumario team members, under Audiovisual. Which suggests to me that this is an original El Sumario article. Although it's mostly quotes from the subject of the article, so not actually independent ... RebeccaGreen (talk) 18:33, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep procedural. Gilded Snail (talk) 20:18, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep procedural. No valid reason for deletion. Per WP:NONENG, there is a consensus that sources not in English can be used to demonstrate WP:SIGCOV although English sources are preferred. Taewangkorea (talk)

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 No English sources. Yes, I know. But there should be a majority of English sources in the article on English Wikipedia, or where is the information going to come from? [[User:Vmavanti|Vmavanti]] ([[User talk:Vmavanti|talk]]) 17:51, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
+:<small class="delsort-notice">Note:  This discussion has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Bands and musicians|list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions]]. [[User:Shellwood|Shellwood]] ([[User talk:Shellwood|talk]]) 17:54, 27 August 2019 (UTC)</small>
+:<small class="delsort-notice">Note:  This discussion has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Venezuela|list of Venezuela-related deletion discussions]]. [[User:Shellwood|Shellwood]] ([[User talk:Shellwood|talk]]) 17:54, 27 August 2019 (UTC)</small>
+*'''Procedural keep'''. The nominator has not advanced a valid reason for deletion. [[User:Mccapra|Mccapra]] ([[User talk:Mccapra|talk]]) 18:15, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
+*'''Keep''' Not a valid reason for deletion. [[WP:NONENG]] states "Citations to non-English reliable sources are allowed on the English Wikipedia. However, because this project is in English, English-language sources are preferred over non-English ones when available and of equal quality and relevance." It does not say "there should be a majority of English sources in the article on English Wikipedia". As for where the information is going to come from - any editor who can read Spanish, or is capable of intelligently using an online translating tool. [[User:RebeccaGreen|RebeccaGreen]] ([[User talk:RebeccaGreen|talk]]) 18:57, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
+**'''Comment''': {{re|RebeccaGreen}} I agree that the nominator's rationale for deletion isn't valid. But that doesn't invalidate the fact that there is a lack in sources in Spanish as well. This article and the related [[Pandijazz]] are almost certainly written by Ms Lameda or someone involved with the band, and sourced either to their social media or the official website of their home town of Barquisimeto. The only other sources are ''El Impulso'' (a newspaper also based in Barquisimeto) and ''El Sumario'' which is just a news agency reproducing stories from elsewhere. This might need withdrawing and resubmitting. [[User:Richard3120|Richard3120]] ([[User talk:Richard3120|talk]]) 16:35, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
+:::Yes, I think that is what [[User:Mccapra|Mccapra]] and I are saying - this should be a procedural Keep, and if anyone wants to renominate it with valid reasons for deletion, they can do so. [[User:RebeccaGreen|RebeccaGreen]] ([[User talk:RebeccaGreen|talk]]) 17:03, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
+::::Ah, okay, I just wanted to clarify that – I agree with your reasoning. [[User:Richard3120|Richard3120]] ([[User talk:Richard3120|talk]]) 17:10, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
+:::::Yes agreed. [[User:Mccapra|Mccapra]] ([[User talk:Mccapra|talk]]) 17:39, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
+*'''Keep''' not an argument for deletion; {{u|Vmavanti}}, kindly come up with a real reason why this should be deleted, or withdraw this. [[User:Zingarese|Zingarese]] [[User talk:Zingarese#top|<small>talk</small>]] · [[Special:Contributions/Zingarese|<small>contribs</small>]] 17:43, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
+:::::: Not enough sources. Not notable.<br />[[User:Vmavanti|Vmavanti]] ([[User talk:Vmavanti|talk]]) 18:11, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
+*'''Comment''' If we're going to be discussing the sources in the article (even though "Not enough sources" is not a valid reason for deletion either), the ''El Sumario'' article says "Texto y producción @idafebres", and Ida Febres is in the list of ''El Sumario'' team members, under Audiovisual. Which suggests to me that this is an original ''El Sumario'' article. Although it's mostly quotes from the subject of the article, so not actually independent ... [[User:RebeccaGreen|RebeccaGreen]] ([[User talk:RebeccaGreen|talk]]) 18:33, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
+*'''Keep''' procedural. [[User:Gilded Snail|Gilded Snail]] ([[User talk:Gilded Snail|talk]]) 20:18, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
+*'''Keep''' procedural. No valid reason for deletion. Per [[WP:NONENG]], there is a consensus that sources not in English can be used to demonstrate [[WP:SIGCOV]] although English sources are preferred. [[User:Taewangkorea|Taewangkorea]] ([[User talk:Taewangkorea|talk]])
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