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-= [[Computer security]] and coruscan.com =
-Hi, AlexCypher. I [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Computer_security&type=revision&diff=931846278&oldid=931802692 reverted your recent edit] of the [[computer security]] article, because it appears to be promotion of a pretty obscure website (and therefore of little citation value).
-But looking more closely at [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/AlexCypher your edit history], it looks like this is the second time that you've attempted to inject a link to this specific site into [[Computer security]], and that of your three total substantial edit sets on the English Wikipedia, two of them had this purpose.
+Please place new messages at the bottom of this page, or click [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AlexCypher&action=edit&section=new here] to start a new discussion, which will automatically be at the bottom. I will respond to comments here, unless you request otherwise. Please read the following helpful hints, as well as our [[Wikipedia:TPG|talk page guidelines]] before posting:
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-Also, looking at [https://web.archive.org/web/2018*/coruscan.com the Wayback Machine history for that site], it appears that the site first appeared on the Internet around the same time that you first linked to it (October 2018)
+* If you're here to inform me of a mistake I made please indicate which article is concerned by enclosing the title of the article in two sets of square brackets: <code><nowiki>[[example article]]</nowiki></code>.
-It also appears that [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/RickyGilb user RickyGilb's only edits] have been to add links to coruscan.com on other security-related pages. I've removed those links as well, on [[cyber self-defense]] and [[security awareness]].
+* If you are looking for my talk page's previous contents, they are in the archives.
-Most of these edits, by both users, are from around October 2018 - when coruscan.com seems to have originally appeared.
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-My concern is that there may be a [[WP:APPARENTCOI]] issue here. What is your relationship with [[User:RickyGilb|RickyGilb]] and with coruscan.com? [[User:Royce|Royce]] ([[User talk:Royce|talk]]) 17:44, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
+Talk archives are broken out by year.
+* [[User Talk:AlexCypher/Archive 2019]]
-:Hi Royce. Your removals are unjustified and your accusations are unfounded. My contributions do not violate any Wikipedia rule.
-:1. You accuse me to be promotional. Every citation is, to some extent, promotional. By its own nature. If the reference I add is a company's page, I am, to some extent, promoting that company. If the reference is a paper, I am, to some extent, promoting the author of that paper.
-:That's normal. The point is: Is the reference relevant and helpful explaining or clarifying a concept? Is the reference opinion based or contains some evidence of what it states? You do not make any consideration about this.
-:2. Among all the references I added, what you removed is probably one of the the least "promotional" of all. The site you removed is not even a company, it's a project: it aims to improve security awareness by providing free resources like articles, graphs, tools, etc. for educational purposes.
-:3. You are accusing me of injecting links. May be you haven't realized that I am the author of a whole section in the Computer Security article and I "injected" all the links you find there, including the one you arbitrary removed. I restored the link because it helped to clarify the whole paragraph and I thought it was removed by mistake by some dumb bots.
-:4. You say: "''the site first appeared on the Internet around the same time that you first linked to it (October 2018)''".
-:You are wrong. The site is at least a couple of years older. Just look at the ICANN record and at when Google indexed the site. I'm surprised you use the Wayback machine as a reliable source for timing.
-:5. You accuse me to have relationships with other people citing the same sources. I don't, nor I have relationships with the sources themselves. I just cite what I believe is useful in supporting a claim, making sure the quality of the material is good enough.
-:On the other hand, I see you provide your own contributions under your real name (Royce Williams) despite Wikipedia discourages it, and you link also to your Twitter profile and to your business (techsolvancy.com). So you are promoting yourself on Wikipedia, and accusing others of being promotional. Do I need to remind you that [[WP:NOTABOUTYOU|Wikipedia is not about YOU]]?
-:But, reading what your interests are I understand why you so vehemently removed all the references to that page. You are a "password hashing enthusiast" as you say in your Twitter profile, and the page you removed provides evidence that shows how relevant the human component is, in cyber security. So, your whole work on password cracking depends on the end-user, on how unaware he/she is. If the user became more security-aware and decided to use strong passwords, your attempts to crack the hashes would simply fail. And the work you do would quickly become useless.
-:That's why you don't like that specific page. That's why you removed from Wikipedia not just my citation but all the references you could find, regardless who made them and why.
-:However, I will try to find an alternative citation for that paragraph, that hopefully won't bother you that much. In any case, I think your conduct, as an editor, is not appropriate and could even be abusive, considering how drastic your intervention has been ([[WP:CONDUCTDISPUTE]]). Not to mention the conflict of interest ([[WP:APPARENTCOI]]) between the work you do and the content you wiped out from Wikipedia.
-:Alex
-[[User:AlexCypher|AlexCypher]] ([[User talk:AlexCypher#top|talk]]) 23:42, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
-:: AlexCypher, it is possible that I jumped to the wrong conclusion. However, I believe that an independent review of the facts, conducted by a neutral and experienced third-party Wikipedian, would agree that the evidence so far supports my theory. I tried to present my case clearly and neutrally.
-:: I agree that the Wayback Machine is not proof of site creation. It is, however, strongly correlated with site activity. Since literally ''no'' other site on the Internet links to coruscan.com (other than Wikipedia mirrors, and WHOIS and domain-registration summaries), I confluse that October 2018 represents a flurry of activity around coruscan.com that cannot be explained by any popularity of, or interest in, coruscan.com itself. In fact, it is mysterious to me how you - or anyone else - would have even heard of this site.
-:: Your theory about a conflict of interest on my part is specious. My general editing history speaks for itself. I noticed your edit, and then noticed the pattern of the other edits, both yours and RickyGilb's; nothing more. If I was going to deceptively edit Wikipedia, there would be no reason to single out coruscan.com; because it seems unlikely that anyone (other than you and RickyGilb) would notice its absence.
-:: Your attack on me using my real identity, and on my brief link to my own external page from my own user page, is also specious. By [[Wikipedia:User_pages#What_may_I_have_in_my_user_pages?|Wikipedia's own guidelines]], a brief mention of external work is reasonable (and notably, I'm not injecting links to my site into general security articles). Also, [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia_is_anonymous#Voluntarily_sharing_your_identity|using your own identity]] is perfectly acceptable. These arguments are distractions that are unrelated to this issue, and I encourage you to set them aside.
-:: As to the lack of activity on my own talk pages, feel free to look at their entire history; it is an open book.
-:: I have no experience with conflict resolution on Wikipedia, but if you believe that we should invoke an independent review of this issue, we can do so. I will cooperate fully. But to be very clear, I stand by my original assertion, which is that links to coruscan.com [[Wikipedia:Notability|cannot be explained by notability]], and that your editing history and that of RickyGilb - editing almost nothing for ''years'', other than a single paragraph and links to coruscan.com (a site that the Internet appears to be totally unaware of in any way, and absent from any forum, site, link, or meaningful search result) - are consistent with self-promotion and with [[Wikipedia:Sock_puppetry|sock puppetry]], respectively.
-:: In other words, even if you and RickyGilb both happen to be innocent of any conflict of interest, then even solely on the test of [[Wikipedia:Notability|notability]] alone, there is no reason to link to coruscan.com from Wikipedia.
-:: To confirm, you are explicitly denying that you have ''any'' connection with coruscan.com, with what appears to be its principal owner (Pierfranco Fasola), or with user RickyGilb?
-:: [[User:Royce|Royce]] ([[User talk:Royce|talk]]) 00:44, 24 December 2019 (UTC)