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The result of the discussion was: keep. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 07:55, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Helmuth "Kelly" Kainz

Not a hint of notability or assertion thereof; and of course a BLP with no references, either. Orange Mike | Talk 18:31, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Procedural close this was recently request undeleted on May 2 by the original editor. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:39, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- comment So? It's still nothing worth having here. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:00, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - Then bring sources that show this person will never meet notability or that the person is a hoaxed or strongly promotional biography. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 21:13, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    - How can sources show a lack of notability? Glades12 (talk) 12:13, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep - Doesn't need deleting. It's a draft, and the author may add sources to establish a credible claim of significance and then to try to establish biographical notability. That doesn't mean that the author will succeed, but that there is no reason to delete, and a minimal benefit to keeping for now. That's what draft space is for. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:17, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - It isn't a BLP. He's dead, Mike. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:18, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep Not a BLP, no major policy issues - notability doesn't matter in draftspace. This appears to be a memorial page for someone's relative and while that's not exactly what Wikipedia is for, there is no harm in letting it sit for another six months. Perhaps there are sources that can be added. The user never submitted it before it was G13'd, so they were never informed that Wikipedia is not a memorial service. If they continue to submit it after they are told that it's not notable, a MFD may be worthwhile, but right now it just seems bitey. SpicyMilkBoy (talk) 23:31, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, bad nomination. DraftSpace is for probably not notable things like this. It was not submitted, so there is no reason to draw community attention to it. It was just WP:REFUNDed. I do, however, advise ChrisTheDiveGuy (talk · contribs) to get some article editing experience before attempting a new page. This subject does not look Wikipedia-notable. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:24, 5 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Unless other problems are raised, it is reasonable to give this topic some leeway in draftspace per WP:NMFD. — Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 04:55, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The man may or may not meet WP:BIO, and the author may or may not have a conflict of interest; either way, there is currently no reason to delete this draft. Glades12 (talk) 12:13, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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+The result of the discussion was:   '''keep'''. [[User:Jo-Jo Eumerus|Jo-Jo Eumerus]] ([[User talk:Jo-Jo Eumerus|talk]]) 07:55, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
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 * '''Procedural close''' this was recently request undeleted on May 2 by the original editor. [[User:AngusWOOF|<strong><span style="color: #606060;">AngusWOOF</span></strong>]] ([[User talk:AngusWOOF#top|<span style=" color: #663300;">bark</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/AngusWOOF|<span style="color: #006600;">sniff</span>]]) 20:39, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 **'''comment''' So? It's still nothing worth having here. --[[User:Orangemike|<span style="color:#F80">Orange Mike</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:Orangemike|<span style="color:#FA0">Talk</span>]] 21:00, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
-:::: Then bring sources that show this person will never meet notability or that the person is a hoaxed or strongly promotional biography. [[User:AngusWOOF|<strong><span style="color: #606060;">AngusWOOF</span></strong>]] ([[User talk:AngusWOOF#top|<span style=" color: #663300;">bark</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/AngusWOOF|<span style="color: #006600;">sniff</span>]]) 21:13, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
+***Then bring sources that show this person will never meet notability or that the person is a hoaxed or strongly promotional biography. [[User:AngusWOOF|<strong><span style="color: #606060;">AngusWOOF</span></strong>]] ([[User talk:AngusWOOF#top|<span style=" color: #663300;">bark</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/AngusWOOF|<span style="color: #006600;">sniff</span>]]) 21:13, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
+****How can sources show a ''lack'' of notability? [[User:Glades12|Glades12]] ([[User talk:Glades12|talk]]) 12:13, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
+*'''Weak Keep''' - Doesn't need deleting.  It's a draft, and the author may add sources to establish a [[WP:CCS|credible claim of significance]] and then to try to establish [[WP:NBIO|biographical notability]].  That doesn't mean that the author will succeed, but that there is no reason to delete, and a minimal benefit to keeping for now.  That's what draft space is for.  [[User:Robert McClenon|Robert McClenon]] ([[User talk:Robert McClenon|talk]]) 23:17, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
+*'''Comment''' - It isn't a [[WP:BLP|BLP]].  [[He's dead, Jim|He's dead, Mike]].  [[User:Robert McClenon|Robert McClenon]] ([[User talk:Robert McClenon|talk]]) 23:18, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
+* '''Weak keep''' Not a BLP, no major policy issues -  notability doesn't matter in draftspace. This appears to be a memorial page for someone's relative and while that's not exactly what Wikipedia is for, there is no harm in letting it sit for another six months. Perhaps there are sources that can be added. The user never submitted it before it was G13'd, so they were never informed that Wikipedia is not a memorial service. If they continue to submit it after they are told that it's not notable, a MFD may be worthwhile, but right now it just seems bitey. [[User:SpicyMilkBoy|SpicyMilkBoy]] ([[User talk:SpicyMilkBoy|talk]]) 23:31, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
+* '''Keep''', bad nomination.  DraftSpace is for probably not notable things like this.  It was not submitted, so there is no reason to draw community attention to it.  It was just [[WP:REFUND]]ed.  I do, however, advise {{User|ChrisTheDiveGuy}} to get some article editing experience before attempting a new page.  This subject does not look Wikipedia-notable.  --[[User:SmokeyJoe|SmokeyJoe]] ([[User talk:SmokeyJoe|talk]]) 04:24, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
+*'''Keep''' - Unless other problems are raised, it is reasonable to give this topic some leeway in draftspace per [[WP:NMFD]]. <small>—&nbsp;[[User:Godsy|<span style="color:#39A78E;">'''Godsy'''</span>]]<sup>&nbsp;([[User talk:Godsy|TALK]]</sup><sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;">[[Special:Contributions/Godsy|<span style="color:#DAA520;">CONT</span>]])</sub></small> 04:55, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
+*'''Keep''': The man may or may not meet [[WP:BIO]], and the author may or may not have a [[Wikipedia:conflict of interest|conflict of interest]]; either way, there is currently no reason to delete this draft. [[User:Glades12|Glades12]] ([[User talk:Glades12|talk]]) 12:13, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
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