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The result was keep. Vanamonde (Talk) 22:37, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

2020 Trump Tulsa rally

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After reading WP:EVENTCRITERIA, I don't think individual rallies or campaign events (by any candidate) merit their own article. The information can be included in Donald Trump 2020 presidential campaign instead. GoingBatty (talk) 17:51, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. GoingBatty (talk) 17:51, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Sigh, strong and speedy keep per GNG. Try using Google. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:10, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Another Believer: When determining whether to nominate this article for discussion, I was swayed by WP:EVENTCRITERIA stating: "Many events receive coverage in the news and yet are not of historic or lasting importance. News organizations have criteria for content, i.e. news values, that differ from the criteria used by Wikipedia and encyclopedias generally." However, I did not bundle this with Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Donald Trump's Phoenix rally (June 2020) and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Donald Trump's Wisconsin Tele-Rally because some editors may feel that the Tulsa rally was more important than others. GoingBatty (talk) 19:05, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GoingBatty, I understand. This topic is very obviously notable to me. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:14, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Sadly most of what this guy does ends up notable.★Trekker (talk) 19:39, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep While I agree that every rally should not have their own page, this one had special significance due to it being the first post-COVID lockdown, and the weeks of speculation leading up to it, and the fallout due to the small crowds. There is definitely room for a single significant rally within a broader event to get its own page, and I think for the moment this one does pass that standard. Playlet (talk) 00:41, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per obvious. This particular rally was heavily featured in the media for weeks prior to the event, and is still being discussed as a failed turning point in the campaign. This was not just another campaign event that everyone forgets a day later. — Toughpigs (talk) 01:13, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This specific rally was highly important and of historical significance; the first rally in a pandemic, highly covered by the media, will have enduring significance. Zoozaz1 (talk) 04:39, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This was quite a notable rally. AshMusique (talk) 10:36, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Wikipedia is not a newspaper, getting huge coverage in newspapers does not gaurantee an event is of pernament enclyclopedic notability, and this event clearly is not such.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:38, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This a notable rally, historical significance, encyclopedic.21:18, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
Keep - has achieved significant coverage, possibly of historical significance. Neutrality^talk 19:21, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - significant notability especially considering the date and location. If if it turns out to be non-notable, it can be re-nominated. Alaney2k (talk) 19:28, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The RS coverage (incl. in-depth pieces), as well as real-life impacts of spreading the virus, indicate DUE. I'm pretty sure people 50 or 100 years from now will find this article mind-blowing. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 02:08, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Not every Trump rally needs (or has) an article. This one, however, meets WP:GNG. KidAd (💬💬) 08:15, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above. This was not only a notable rally, but perhaps the turning point in history. Bearian (talk) 20:10, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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+The result was '''keep'''. <span style="font-family:Papyrus">[[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]])</span> 22:37, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
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 After reading [[WP:EVENTCRITERIA]], I don't think individual rallies or campaign events (by any candidate) merit their own article. The information can be included in [[Donald Trump 2020 presidential campaign]] instead. [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 17:51, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
-:<small class="delsort-notice">Note:  This discussion has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Politicians|list of Politicians-related deletion discussions]]. [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 17:51, 19 July 2020 (UTC)</small>
+:<small class="delsort-notice">Note:  This discussion has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Politics|list of Politics-related deletion discussions]]. [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 17:51, 19 July 2020 (UTC)</small>
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 ::{{ping|Another Believer}} When determining whether to nominate this article for discussion, I was swayed by [[WP:EVENTCRITERIA]] stating: "Many events receive coverage in the news and yet are not of historic or lasting importance. News organizations have criteria for content, i.e. news values, that differ from the criteria used by Wikipedia and encyclopedias generally."  However, I did not bundle this with [[ Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Donald Trump's Phoenix rally (June 2020)]] and [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Donald Trump's Wisconsin Tele-Rally]] because some editors may feel that the Tulsa rally was more important than others.  [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 19:05, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
 :::{{u|GoingBatty}}, I understand. This topic is very obviously notable to me. ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 19:14, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
+*'''Keep''' Sadly most of what this guy does ends up notable.[[User:&#42;Treker|★Trekker]] ([[User talk:&#42;Treker|talk]]) 19:39, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
+*'''Keep''' While I agree that every rally should not have their own page, this one had special significance due to it being the first post-COVID lockdown, and the weeks of speculation leading up to it, and the fallout due to the small crowds. There is definitely room for a single significant rally within a broader event to get its own page, and I think for the moment this one does pass that standard. [[User:Playlet|Playlet]] ([[User talk:Playlet|talk]]) 00:41, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
+*'''Keep''' per obvious. This particular rally was heavily featured in the media for weeks prior to the event, and is still being discussed as a failed turning point in the campaign. This was not just another campaign event that everyone forgets a day later. — [[User:Toughpigs|Toughpigs]] ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 01:13, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
+*'''Keep''' This specific rally was highly important and of historical significance; the first rally in a pandemic, highly covered by the media, will have enduring significance. [[User:Zoozaz1|Zoozaz1]] ([[User talk:Zoozaz1|talk]]) 04:39, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
+*'''Keep''' This was quite a notable rally. [[User:AshMusique|AshMusique]] ([[User talk:AshMusique|talk]]) 10:36, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
+*'''Delete''' Wikipedia is not a newspaper, getting huge coverage in newspapers does not gaurantee an event is of pernament enclyclopedic notability, and this event clearly is not such.[[User:Johnpacklambert|John Pack Lambert]] ([[User talk:Johnpacklambert|talk]]) 17:38, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
+*'''Keep''' This a notable rally, historical significance, encyclopedic.21:18, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
+*'''Keep''' - has achieved significant coverage, possibly of historical significance. [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality]]<sup>[[User talk:Neutrality|talk]]</sup> 19:21, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
+*'''Keep''' - significant notability especially considering the date and location. If if it turns out to be non-notable, it can be re-nominated. [[User:Alaney2k|Alaney2k]] ([[User talk:Alaney2k|talk]]) 19:28, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
+* '''Keep.''' The RS coverage (incl. in-depth pieces), as well as real-life impacts of spreading the virus, indicate DUE. I'm pretty sure people 50 or 100 years from now will find this article mind-blowing. [[User:Snooganssnoogans|Snooganssnoogans]] ([[User talk:Snooganssnoogans|talk]]) 02:08, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
+*'''Keep''' Not every Trump rally needs (or has) an article. This one, however, meets [[WP:GNG]]. [[User:KidAd|KidAd]] ([[User talk:KidAd|💬💬]]) 08:15, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
+*'''Keep''' per above. This was not only a notable rally, but perhaps the turning point in history. [[User:Bearian|Bearian]] ([[User talk:Bearian|talk]]) 20:10, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
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