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LiAngelo Ball

Why did you remove my line, cited to NBA.com, that Ball was offered a contract? ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 14:33, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

@Editorofthewiki: Thanks for bringing this here. I though I had mentioned it in the edit summary, but did not. My bad. Though it's on NBA.com, it's breaking news from AP based on an anonymous source, so I don't consider it reliable. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 14:46, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

So you want to wait until he signs the contract? I can get several sources for it, not just NBA.com. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 14:47, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

@Editorofthewiki: But aren't they all based on unnamed sources?—Bagumba (talk) 14:50, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

I suppose you are right. But anonymous sources are unacceptable? ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 14:02, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

@Editorofthewiki: For breaking news, we need to be careful with anonymous sources. Do read WP:RSBREAKING, if you haven't already. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 15:35, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

IP pest is back

Hey. The same IP from User talk:Bagumba/Archive 22#IP needs a timeout is back doing the same exact thing [1]. Is this grounds for a further block? Thanks. DaHuzyBru (talk) 02:59, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Blocked 3 mos.—Bagumba (talk) 15:50, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Michigan-Michigan State -- IPs at it again

On March 1, the semiprotect that you applied at Michigan–Michigan State football rivalry expired. Three days later, the IP users were at it again. Consistent with the prior patter, the new IP user (registered in Lansing, Michigan, the home of Michigan State) reverted to an outdated version that existed several months ago. This is part of a pattern of similar vandalism by IP users in the Lansing / East Lasing area. The IP users have been eradicating substantial improvements that have been made to the article. This includes (i) addition of citations to previously unsourced material, (ii) addition of working urls to citations having dead urls, (iii) adding descriptions of several games from the 1940s, 1950s, and 1960s (decades previously overlooked), (iv) trimming some of the game summaries that were overly wordy, (v) trying to inject a more neutral tone (some of which previously had a pro-Wolverine or pro-Spartan tilt), (vi) applying standard practice for rivalry articles in which the teams are listed in alphabetical order (the Lansing IP users seek to have Michigan State listed first in all charts, etc., despite standard practice), and (vii) general cleanup and copy editing. I have left notes on the talk pages of each of the involved IP users -- not surprisingly, the never respond. The IPs continue to revert all of this work and restore the poorly sourced and non-neutral version that existed several months ago. Would you please be willing to reapply the semi-protect to address this ongoing problem? Cbl62 (talk) 04:26, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

@Cbl62: I was going to say give it some more time, except it's the exact same revert as the one on Jan 21. Protected 3 mos.—Bagumba (talk) 16:04, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Help

Hey I see it looks like you might be online currently. I made a request at WP:RPP hours ago but no response. Can you protect Kansas Jayhawks men’s basketball? IPs keep adding a 2020 National Championship. As much as I’d like my team to be named the champs it hasn’t happened.--Rockchalk7 17 00:55, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Done, 1 wk.—Bagumba (talk) 01:10, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Perfect thank you!--Rockchalk7 17 01:46, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Protect 2019–20 NCAA Division I men's basketball season?

IPs keep inserting the Florida State legislature naming Florida State national champ. Thanks. Rikster2 (talk) 22:52, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

The senate did declare them champs per the cited source. It's more of a content dispute of what, if any, mention is WP:DUE. Maybe start a discussion at WP:CBBALL if this persists.—Bagumba (talk) 04:07, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

The Florida State Senate has no authority to name a college basketball national champion. Rikster2 (talk) 16:02, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

But it did happened. Whether it's for show, meaningless, and should be excluded from the article is a content dispute.—Bagumba (talk) 16:28, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

I think we could mention it briefly under the Postseason section. It can be discounted as there is no actual champion unless it goes to the No. 1 team, Kansas. It doesn't belong in the lead. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 13:16, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Indefinite protection for 1992 Troy State vs. DeVry men's basketball game

Hi Bagumba - you've protected this article numerous times before. Every single time the protection expires it gets blasted with vandalism of people thinking the official score is 253–141 when, according to the NCAA, it's 258–141. Considering the edit requests in the talk page, and the persistent edit wars of the article itself, can you please put permanent edit protection on this? SportsGuy789 (talk) 04:07, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Indefinite applied.—Bagumba (talk) 08:01, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! SportsGuy789 (talk) 20:40, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

‎Conduct accusations

Regarding this and this, I repeat that I know how to handle sock issues. Also, per Wikipedia talk:Sock puppetry/Archive 15#Guidance about whether to simply ask them, querying if an editor is a sock is allowed. In this case you took issue with, I didn't query if the editor is a sock. I did note that I hope that the editor is not this IP, but that's because I do hope that. That IP was trolling, pure and simple. And this new account is arguing in a similar way. When an editor is using Wikipedia in a way that goes against WP:Not a forum and the other editor is arguing based on Wikipedia's policies and/or guidelines, that is not truly a content dispute. And per WP:Talk, WP:Not a forum posts can be removed or archived at any time. That stated, I will try to be more mindful of not biting supposed newbies. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 06:49, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

@Flyer22 Frozen: Thanks. Be well! Cheers.—Bagumba (talk) 07:26, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

ANI disussion

There is currently a discussion at WP:AN regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. NicholasHui (talk) 16:15, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Tom Brady

Holy COW! Did you hear the news? Brady signed with the Bucs?! What was he thinking? Mk8mlyb (talk) 23:54, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Mike Stratton

On 27 March 2020, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Mike Stratton, which you nominated and updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. — Amakuru (talk) 13:43, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

MOS:JOBTITLES is clear

MOS:JOBTITLES is very clear, "* When followed by a person's name to form a title, i.e., when they can be considered to have become part of the name: President Nixon, not president Nixon". The case is {(xt|U.S. Vice President Al Gore}} and that is the exact case. The one you claimed is not present at JOBTITLES. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:06, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

@Walter Görlitz: Thanks for following up on your revert. MOS:JOBTITLES shows an example of "US president Richard Nixon", which is not capitalized because it is preceded by the modifier "US". "Vice President Al Gore", without the preceeding "US" would be fine; however, "US" was presumably needed since there is global readership and its a world event. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 05:15, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

And the headings read "Unmodified, denoting a title" "Modified or reworded, denoting an office". It appears that what is represented in the article is a title not office, but the article's talk page is the correct place to follow-up. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:18, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

@Walter Görlitz: In an earlier MOS discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Biography/2019_archive#Modifiers, it was clarified that it's not capitalized when preceeded by a country.—Bagumba (talk) 05:30, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Interesting. The MoS has an issue. The article is following it as it is currently written. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:39, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

It "has an issue", so you cherry-pick from the very page? OK.—Bagumba (talk) 05:54, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Nick Babb

Would you mind undeleting Nick Babb to draftspace? He has played in the German Bundesliga and I intend to work on it. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 15:36, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

@Editorofthewiki: You'll get better attention on this one at Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion than what I'm able to provide. Sorry for the inconvenience. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 00:34, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Already requested at REFUND and it's been denied as it was deleted at AfD. Is DrV the way to go? ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 01:02, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

@Editorofthewiki: I'm not too versed on undeletion or non-NBA pros, which is why I redirected you. If you are creating new content and are confident he's now notable and the AfD no longer applies, I think you can be bold and create it. DRV seem like if you want the old content revived. What I can do is give you the sources the old version cited (they only used bare URLs). There doesn't seem to be a lot of text in the old version (1300 bytes readable prose), so it's your prerogative if you need a DRV still.

Best. —Bagumba (talk) 02:36, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Also would you mind draftifying/posting the sources for David Edwards (basketball), who died recently? ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 13:10, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
@Editorofthewiki: It's typically best if you go through the deleting admin first. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 13:43, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – April 2020

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Illawarra Hawks semi

Hey mate. Hope you're keeping well! Any chance you can semi-protect Illawarra Hawks? The team is in the news regarding LaMelo Ball possibly purchasing them, but it not a done deal. Thanks. DaHuzyBru (talk) 07:18, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Surviving despite the actions of some in the public and government. But that's universal. I protected Hawks for a week. It was unsourced, so I went ahead. Otherwise, if it was sourced using the Ball's take, I'd probably have left it alone as a content dispute.—Bagumba (talk) 08:16, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Good to hear – crazy times! The NBL announced this morning that there were discussions with Ball [2] and then this afternoon have announced they have taken back the licence [3]. Semi definitely needed as I doubt a deal will be make with Ball in the short term. Cheers. DaHuzyBru (talk) 08:23, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

I was wondering if was relying on Big Baller money, or if Lonzo needed to help out.—Bagumba (talk) 08:28, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Haha it would have to be Big Baller Brand with LaMelo as the face and franchise connection. I thought it was a joke when I first saw it added to the infobox, but stranger things have happened. DaHuzyBru (talk) 08:55, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Ellis Marsalis Jr.

On 3 April 2020, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Ellis Marsalis Jr., which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. — Amakuru (talk) 17:10, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Protect 2018 in basketball?

User keeps deleting college and women’s data. Seems isolated to one person (but multiple IPs). Ideally blocking the person would be better, but not sure that can be done. Rikster2 (talk) 12:04, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

I protected the page for 1wk. Since the IP keeps changing, it'd be a bit more collateral damage to do a range block.—Bagumba (talk) 12:26, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Jeff Webster

The Talk pages are still messed up between the 2 articles after all the moves Rikster2 (talk) 11:48, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. Wikipedia has this convoluted step where you need to move the article and talk page separately if the target page already exists. —Bagumba (talk) 11:55, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Tom Dempsey

On 5 April 2020, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Tom Dempsey, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Step hen 23:25, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Bobby Mitchell

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Protect Obi Toppin?

Iowa fans are mad he won most national player of the year awards. Rikster2 (talk) 02:00, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Done—Bagumba (talk) 03:10, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Perry Ellis (basketball)

This page is receiving a fair amount of IP vandalism lately. Perhaps a semiprotect is in order? ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 00:11, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

@Editorofthewiki: I placed 1 week semi- and 3 mos pending changes protection on it. If you're interested in updating the page, look like he's a video coordinator for Kansas while he's rehabbing an injury.[4]—Bagumba (talk) 01:15, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

All-American team picture collage

Do you have a good idea of where to put these? I’d like to maybe put the 2020 ones in but it feels like these articles are short on good places to insert pictures. Maybe an infobox could be created for these? Thoughts? Rikster2 (talk) 14:25, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

You can just shove it on the top right, independent of whether or not an infobox gets created. See example at Death Lineup.—Bagumba (talk) 15:31, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Protect 2020 NBA draft?

IPs keep adding a person who I can’t find even exists, let alone has declared for the draft from reputable sources. Rikster2 (talk) 21:18, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

I blocked the IP for edit warring. Is hoopsrumors.com generally considered reliable or not?—Bagumba (talk) 01:51, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

No, it’s a blog and a perfect candidate to perpetrate a hoax. Rikster2 (talk) 02:05, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

It's supposedly a team of writers,[5] so I wouldnt call it a blog. Doesnt mean its necessarily reliable. If it happens to come up again, maybe just start a central discussion saying you dont think its reliable. In this past case, one different IP reverted the entry, otherwise it was just u and that person. I dont follow the draft pages enough to see what is accepted as reliable there.—Bagumba (talk) 02:33, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

It’s not a reliable source and they took the “player” telling them he’d declared as their “source,” despite the player not even being an active college player. Look, I think it’s important Wikipedia not be a party to hoaxes. Go independently look for sources on this player (as I have) and see what you find. Rikster2 (talk) 02:47, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

It'd be more of a content dispute if I needed to do that level of research, in which case I would be WP:INVOLVED and wouldn't take admin action myself. Since drafts aren't generally my thing, it's easier for me to stay on the sidelines as an editor and just stick to admin stuff for this.—Bagumba (talk) 07:00, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Can you unlock Greg Brown (basketball)?

I need to move it to Greg Brown (basketball, born 1972). The page shouldn’t need to be protected anymore as the vandalism had to do with overwriting the article with the information of the current high school player & no he has his own article. Thanks. Rikster2 (talk) 12:24, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

It's only pending change protected for edits, which shouldn't block you from moving it. The protection should be automatically moved to the new title. As for the edit protection, there hasn't been any productive edits, so it's not a bad thing. Am I missing something?—Bagumba (talk) 12:31, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Jalen Green

Hello, can you please protect Jalen Green? The page is constantly being edited by different users to say Green is Filipino-American, even though there is no evidence that he has Filipino citizenship. Sportzeditz (talk) 16:19, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

@Sportzeditz: Semi-protected for 2 weeks. You might consider starting a discussion on the talk page there. People often get nationality and ethnicity confused. Also MOS:ETHNICITY says to only mentioned in the lead if it is notable for that person. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 16:57, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

April 2020

Just a question, do you think the word tackle sounds funny to you? NicholasHui (talk) 22:54, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Grandma Lee

On 26 April 2020, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Grandma Lee, which you nominated and updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Spencer^T•C 01:00, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Edit warring

I see you have closed the discussion on ANI that I opened. I was hoping to get an answer to my final question before you did, so perhaps you can help me out here. You noted in your closing comments that there was a slow burning edit war. If I was at fault, what should I have done better? Thanks. --Slugger O'Toole (talk) 14:14, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

@Slugger O'Toole: I wouldn't consider you at "fault"; I didn't see it as blockable on either side at that point, even if the report hadn't gone stale. However, if you are going to charge another editor with edit warring, then you are as much at "fault" if the edits they were reverting were your's that you kept adding back. What you could do is voluntarily adopt a WP:1RR standard. If edit summaries or compromise edits do not get your point across, go to the the talk page and reach a consensus. It can only help if you get multiple people involved (like there is now); it makes it easier to see where consensus might be, independent of whether you agree with that opinion. Whenever it bugs me that there is "wrong" information on a page, I mark the text with something like {{dispute}} and leave a link to the discussion; it lets readers know that the information might not be correct, and is a compromise to reverting. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 14:48, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Bagumba, I see. I also wasn't necessarily looking for a block. The only reason I didn't take it to a dispute noticeboard first is that it had already been there. That's how JZG arrived. And, while I find that more voices usually helps things, in this case we seem to have even less of a consensus than before. The dispute tag is a possible solution that I hadn't considered before. I'll look into it more. Thanks again! -- Slugger O'Toole (talk) 14:55, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Nomination of Joe Colomb for deletion

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Protect Bam Adebayo?

IP keeps adding “Nigerian” as split citizenship but Adebayo plays for Team USA and I agent seen that he has ever pursued or holds Nigerian citizenship. Victor Oladipo is another similar case. Thanks. Rikster2 (talk) 21:50, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Usually don't protect because of one user (warnings and blocks are a better option), but this page just came out of protection. so it's likely part of a general trend. Protected for 3 mos.—Bagumba (talk) 03:17, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Natalie Chou

On 8 May 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Natalie Chou, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that UCLA basketball player Natalie Chou said that the use of a slang term for COVID-19 created "unnecessary xenophobia for people who look like me"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Natalie Chou. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Natalie Chou), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Dream Team

Hello!

Please, read my updated version of the background section on the 1992 United States men's Olympic basketball team page. I removed unreferenced information, while adding more sources about the USSR and Yugoslavia, and mentioned Borislav Stankovic's contributions. If you believe that my version is now acceptable, please approve it. I think that current JimKaatFan's version is incomplete. Thank you! 89.113.98.96 (talk) 11:12, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

I also edited 2004 United States men's Olympic basketball team, removing statements that it was heavily favored to win the Olympics, because the sources provided by JimKaatFan only concern their losses to Italy and Puerto Rico. 89.113.98.96 (talk) 11:24, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

There's other editors that have been reverting the respective content besides the one you mentioned. I'd suggest you follow Wikipedia:Dispute resolution and start a discussion on each article's talk page. Are the edits from 81.9.126.76 (talk) and 217.118.92.180 (talk) your's also? Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 14:07, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Also, only one of the sources specifically mentions the Puerto Rico game; the others refer to being heavily favored to win the gold medal. Please read them all. JimKaatFan (talk) 14:25, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

I understand that most of the editors don't respect IP accounts, but I really urge you to look at the facts. JimKaatfan removed sourced information about American teams prior to 1992 and their use of AAU/then collegiate players, he removed info about the USSR and Yugoslavia, and he also erased any mention of Borislav Stankovic. Does that seem fair? Just check the edits themselves, all of them were reverted just because people are prejudiced against IP accounts. 89.113.98.96 (talk) 15:03, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Bagumba, do you think it's strange that a piece appeared yesterday on The Sporting News that mimics exactly what this anon IP is trying to add to the Dream Team article? JimKaatFan (talk) 14:24, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

So, now you're trying to discredit my sources, while presenting your sources as the ultimate truth. Ok. You certainly have your agenda, and I'm in no mood to keep arguing with you. 89.113.98.96 (talk) 14:56, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Spotted this discussion while I was cleaning up after this IP. It is very clearly Max Arosev and he has been blocked. Just thought I would mention it. -DJSasso (talk) 19:59, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

@Djsasso: Thanks, it did cross my mind but AGFed. I'm not totally familiar with their behavior.—Bagumba (talk) 02:21, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Escalating situation

Edit war on Janel McCarville - combo of false info and dispute over formatting of a retired jersey note in infobox. What’s your advice for solving it? Rikster2 (talk) 10:40, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Generally follow WP:DR. Start a discussion at the article talk and present your relevant sources and figure out why there is a difference in opinion. Put notice in relevant WikiProjects to get a wider opinion.—Bagumba (talk) 10:52, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

So that’s my process even given vandalism (the false info)? Rikster2 (talk) 11:00, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

"Jersey retired" vs "hung in rafters" is style difference. I wouldn't call it vandalism, but it doens't mean there's necessarily consensus for it either. If you're asking me as an admin, it's nothing to warrant a block. Unless there's more history here than just this article, but then diffs would be needed. The year changing thing looks weird, but I'll err on the side that its minor and it's the jersey that has got the both of you edit warring. As an editor, I guess I could chime in too, but I dont have a background on women's college hoops or WP conventions there, so would prefer the sources be shown. There's probably more informed editors than me on this.—Bagumba (talk) 11:18, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Changing championship years to ones that are incorrect in those same edits is vandalism. Look at the diffs. That’s what tells me these aren’t good faith edits. Rikster2 (talk) 11:54, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

NBL stats, partial total and averages

If you're going to remove the NBL point totals and other information from the Mikan infobox, you should at least note that action at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Basketball Association/Archive 39#NBL stats, partial total and averages and not hide the change behind a minor edit marking and a misleading edit summary.—Myasuda (talk) 13:02, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

@Myasuda: Thanks for bringing to my attention. I only intended to do what was in the edit summary. Somehow I messed up and edited off the other editor's version instead of your's. It wasnt my intention to invest time in a discussion just to sneak something in. Sorry about that.—Bagumba (talk) 13:57, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Okay, no problem -- thanks for clarifying.—Myasuda (talk) 18:26, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Pepper Rodgers

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ITN recognition for Tony Yates

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IP hopper

Vandal is back at Irm Hermann as user:94.10.22.141. Philip Cross (talk) 19:19, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

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Block log for MusenInvincible

Hi,

Not sure if you can edit block summaries (not being a mop-holder and all,) but I think you left a typo in the rationale: "Mass changes with responding to concerns" should I think be "Mass changes without responding to concerns". The typo changes the context of the block rationale? Chaheel Riens (talk) 13:26, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

@Chaheel Riens: Block logs can't be edited per se. I could add another log entry with the correction, but am sensitive to making one's log longer. The correction is on their talk page, and is hopefully moreorless obvious by AGF or the discussion thread. Thanks for the line.—Bagumba (talk) 14:41, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

8′46″

I invite you to move the page back, but leave the discussion open, per my reasoning at Talk:8′46″ § Requested move 10 June 2020. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) ^{please always ping!} 16:25, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

@Psiĥedelisto: As someone who has !voted already, I'll leave it to uninvolved editors to resolve this, or at worst wait for the standard 7-day close. Cheers.—Bagumba (talk) 16:33, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

KillerGho$t is back with a new sock

You banned Sorcererzthunder (talk · contribs) as being a WP:DUCK of KillerGho$t (talk · contribs). It appears that he is back with a new sockpuppet account – MagicGlide32 (talk · contribs). A quick look at Sacramento Kings page history and the overall editing pattern gives a clear indication that it is the same person as Sorcererzthunder. – Sabbatino (talk) 10:49, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Agree.—Bagumba (talk) 10:57, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

He is back – Moundzilla (talk · contribs). – Sabbatino (talk) 06:43, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

OK.—Bagumba (talk) 14:04, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

? Moundzilla (talk) 07:18, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Here is a new one – Oakxstiltz (talk · contribs). – Sabbatino (talk) 12:39, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

K—Bagumba (talk) 12:43, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

And here, but I reported to SPI. Rob van vee 11:41, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Keep an eye on Nick Calathes

There is a new user repeatedly updating an unofficial transaction at this article. I doubt he stops changing the article despite warnings and a transaction note at the top. Rikster2 (talk) 01:31, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

I gave them an edit warring warning. Let me know if anything further needed.—Bagumba (talk) 01:42, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Blocked now.—Bagumba (talk) 12:09, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Think we can assign some level of protection to this article? The signing hasn’t been announced here or here (or either entity’s Twitter. It does appear the signing will happen pretty soon, though. Thanks. Rikster2 (talk) 17:58, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Protect for 1 wk.—Bagumba (talk) 01:05, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Might want to extend protection. I think the announcement isn't happening because he was signed for NEXT season but they are still planning some finish for THIS season. Rikster2 (talk) 19:22, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Ok, another month.—Bagumba (talk) 00:35, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Template:2010 United States men's FIBA World Championship team roster

Hi Bagumba. My mistake. Is there a way to incorporate the navibar into the actual template itself so that the "V", "E" and "T" don't just to appear to be stray characters in articles like 2010 FIBA World Championship squads#United States? -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:36, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

No worries. Its inherent with that format listing the coach outside. And I guess the US sticks out currently because its the only team that year that reuses roster data from a template. Later years use a different roster format e.g. 2014 FIBA Basketball World Cup squads. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 09:25, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying. FWIW, I only noticed the navibar when I was doing something else; I knew what it was, but (as you point out) it seem to really stand out because that's the only roster being transcluded into that article, which in turn I thought might be confusing to anyone not familiar with that type of template transclusion. If I may make a suggestion, maybe it would be a good idea to add a edit note to that particular section since it's the only one transcluding the roster. If someone unfamiliar with templates tries to edit the actual roster via the section, all they will see is the syntax. Every other section can be directly edited via the article except the US one; so, someone might accidentally muck up the template syntax by trying to directly add roster info to that page. I understand that this probably won't happen since that roster probably will never need to be changed, but maybe a friendly note might be helpful. If not, no big deal; just an idea. Thanks again. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:26, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the reminder/tip

To Bagumba - Thank you for the reminder/tip that you left on my talk page [6]. My mistake. BetsyRMadison (talk) 13:01, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

@BetsyRMadison: No worries. (Belated) Welcome to Wikipedia!—Bagumba (talk) 13:24, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Max Tuerk's one play

I actually knew that Max Tuerk played only one snap when I did my edits. (They are not that easy to find online, but the NFL posts a "GameBook" for every contest which includes, alongside all sorts of other info, a count of how many offensive, defensive, and special teams snaps each player played during the game. Tuerk did indeed play exactly offensive snap during his exactly one game.) I thought about adding that detail myself but I thought I was piling on to a guy whose life was disappointing as well as short. But now I think it's a better story with that detail. RIP Max Tuerk. Timothy Horrigan (talk) 18:50, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

BTW, is there any source which says what he was doing after the 2018 season? Timothy Horrigan (talk) 18:50, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

@TimothyHorrigan: I'm not sure about his later years. I didn't do any active research other than the article that showed up on my timeline. I know what you mean about "piling on"; I generally dont mention random stats unless, at a minimum, I find it in a story, as opposed to just a stats source. And I wouldnt put that in the lead. Cheers.—Bagumba (talk) 00:02, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

KillerGho$t sock again

Hi Bagumba. As the previously blocking admin, just thought I'd mention that I've filed another at SPI. Any idea whether there have been more socks between June 16 and now? Rob van vee 09:04, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

@Robvanvee: This was the last one I blocked, which fits the timeline here. Your last SPI report I blocked because I saw a specific edit that matched their past style; it wasn't one that you specifically reported or that has been mentioned AFAIK (see WP:LTA re: "Don't provide too much info"). As for this current one's basketball edits, I'd say its likely them but not definitive at this time. I'm not as familiar with the music edits to draw a quick conclusion (e.g. specific edit style, not just same area). Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 09:54, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Bagumba. I really appreciate any advice as SPI's are not my strong area and 80% of them have been focused on KillerGho$t. All reports have followed a similar pattern and have been successful hence my almost templating the formula. I understand your point regarding pattern vs area of editing. A few questions then if I may:

Are saying that I am piling on too much info in my report? If so, which points should I omit?
Should I make these changes you suggest or leave it as is?
Would this be a suitable case to request a ChechUser check? I remember being told once that it is not used on IP's.

Many thanks again for your assistance. Rob van vee 10:54, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

@Robvanvee: Are saying that I am piling on too much info in my report: Not necessarily. It varies by admin, both by preference and depending on their famiiarity with the area. Should I make these changes you suggest or leave it as is?: It's up to you. It couldn't hurt if you have them. Otherwise, another admin besides me could look at it and think differently. Would this be a suitable case to request a ChechUser check: Another "it couldn't hurt". Though if I remember correctly (perhaps a comment from Bbb23), the user probably changes IP addresses often, hence we've never blocked the underlying IPs. However, CU might be able to say "it's likely" the same if they detect similar devices/OSs being used. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 12:45, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Bagumba. You have been very helpful! Rob van vee 14:22, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Protect Ryan Broekhoff?

Pending deal with 76ers Rikster2 (talk) 00:58, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Not enough activity so far. Only one edit from an IP; the other was autoconfirmed, which protection would not affect.—Bagumba (talk) 12:49, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

The autoconfirmed was my edit. I'm very active during the summer months which is why you may recognize my username as an adamant supporter of proactive updates revolving player movement. I'm very aware of the opposing views surrounding this idea, but I like to entertain the change in principle during this time of year. I'm sure you can find archived discussions in length about this topic among the three of us and am always curious if your views have changed at all. RichieConant34 (talk) 16:55, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

But the standards for updating haven’t changed. You should know that since you initiated the last discussion on the topic and declined to make any recommendation for how it should be changed. In case your memory is failing you, see here. Rikster2 (talk) 00:12, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

@Rikster2: Thanks for finding that discussion, and no, my memory is not failing me as I remember, in detail, extensively breaking down the current editing issues that I find annually. There are inconsistencies, there are varying opinions, and I think the majority of us can agree that the current system undoubtedly creates editing wars and opportunity for frustrated or incentivized vandalism. Efficiency is what makes Wikipedia one of the greatest sources for just about anything with proactive users that constantly update, analyze, and contribute to the growing online encyclopedia. In our NBA community, there are many willing people that want, and even get excited, to contribute to the wiki pages of players surrounding movement among the league. Official team/player announcements are most definitely ideal when it comes to accurate information, but the fact of such delay for these announcements I find detrimental to the NBA wiki community. I've gone into vast details with examples and past scenarios in the discussion that you linked, I believe my stance is clear and I also believe I've provided decent ideas for compromise or change. Notably, there is a major difference between "agreed to sign", "sign", and "in talks with" (or something along those lines). I do not consider an announcement ("agreed to sign") by Woj a report or a rumor, and I believe many people in the NBA community share this same mindset. I completely understand the hesitancy, but I really believe some sort of change is in order and could really help out this wiki community. RichieConant34 (talk) 14:59, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

The “delay” was a little over a day, Richie. And you will notice that the team, the league and Broekhoff himself didn’t acknowledge the signing until then. So in truth,he wasn’t a member of the team. But where that discussion I linked left off was I suggested you ask for a vote to establish a new consensus and you didn’t care to. Then you show up months later insisting on changing teams before an announcement (and reverting edits more than once) despite knowing what the current consensus is. Rikster2 (talk) 15:15, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

@Rikster2: I would like to start a vote, but I'm just not certain how to go about that in an official way. If you could help me with that, it would be appreciated. I can see our views differ greatly, but I'm curious if you believe the current system is the most efficient and also if you agree with any of my previous comments about why and how to make a change. RichieConant34 (talk) 17:31, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

@RichieConant34: Roughly speaking, remember that we don't "vote" here. FWIW, I think the current system is the "most efficient" for a crowd-sourced platform and also respects the WP:RSBREAKING guideline.—Bagumba (talk) 05:08, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

@Bagumba: I totally understand, but to contest the WP:RSBREAKING's first sentence, "Breaking-news reports often contain serious inaccuracies", this just simply isn't true in this case of NBA news. Again, there are guidelines in place but I believe its extremely important to differentiate between key terms such as "in talks with", "rumored", and "agreed to sign", with the latter being the only acceptable instance that could justify an edit. I wish I could run a regression correlating the accuracy of these news breaks because the precision is unlike any other person in sports (by far) and it might as well be the official announcement in the circles of the NBA. RichieConant34 (talk) 16:10, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – July 2020

News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2020).

Administrator changes

Malcolmxl5

John • TheCoffee • Tim!

Creffett → GeneralNotability

DeltaQuad → AmandaNP

CheckUser changes

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Interface administrator changes

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Guideline and policy news

A request for comment is in progress to remove the T2 (template that misrepresents established policy) speedy deletion criterion.

Technical news

Protection templates on mainspace pages are now automatically added by User:MusikBot II (BRFA).

Arbitration

Following the banning of an editor by the WMF last year, the Arbitration Committee resolved to hold an RfC regarding on-wiki harassment. The RfC has been posted at Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Anti-harassment RfC and is open to comments from the community.
The Medicine case was closed, with a remedy authorizing standard discretionary sanctions for all discussions about pharmaceutical drug prices and pricing and for edits adding, changing, or removing pharmaceutical drug prices or pricing from articles.

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Anne-Marie

You recently moved Anne-Marie to Anne-Marie (given name). My view is that Anne-Marie (singer) is the primary topic. What do you think?--Laun chba ller 18:48, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

@Launchballer: I only saw that the name page was also masquerading as a dab, so I cleaned that up. If you want to boldly move the singer, I have no objection. Cheers.—Bagumba (talk) 18:51, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Done.--Laun chba ller 19:00, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Sports notability discussion

Would you be able to evaluate and, if necessary, implement consensus in a discussion to modify the wording of the sports-specific notability guideline, as discussed at Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports) § Guidance for creating sports-specific notabiity guidelines (reprise)? It would be appreciated. isaacl (talk) 01:22, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I missed the original ping; I responded at that discussion.—Bagumba (talk) 15:46, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks; I appreciate the help. isaacl (talk) 18:47, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your efforts in bringing the discussion to a close! isaacl (talk) 19:13, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

URL status on archived citations

Hey, hope all is well. I'm not up on how the bots work. One of the bots archived three citations in the Roberte Clemente article and marked the url-status as dead. I checked all three citations and they are live, so I changed this in the citations. The bot came behind me and changed them back to dead. If the url is live and healthy, why does the bot mark it as dead? Thanks! PhillyHarold (talk) 01:00, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

@PhillyHarold: Generally, if you see a potential problem with a bot, you can go to the bot's account, where there should be information on how to follow up. In this specific case, you can refer to User talk:InternetArchiveBot. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 01:20, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

You da man. PhillyHarold (talk) 01:27, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

User to be blocked

Hey. Perhaps a flat indefinite block for this user adding blatant promotion to articles with content that has clearly got nothing to do with them. Cheers. DaHuzyBru (talk) 04:06, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Three articles is not enough to be considered "blatant". The concern could be whether mention is WP:DUE given that it was only cited to primary sources, but that's a content dispute. At this point, I think we AGF; they made a bold edit and you reverted. Also, I generally don't block if a user hasn't been warned a few times (or at least once). Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 05:30, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

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 :{{re|PhillyHarold}} Generally, if you see a potential problem with a bot, you can go to the bot's account, where there should be information on how to follow up.  In this specific case, you can refer to [[User talk:InternetArchiveBot]]. Regards.—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 01:20, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
 :: You da man. [[User:PhillyHarold|PhillyHarold]] ([[User talk:PhillyHarold|talk]]) 01:27, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
+== User to be blocked ==
+Hey. Perhaps a flat indefinite block for [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/RebeccaCarbone this user] adding blatant promotion to articles with content that has clearly got nothing to do with them. Cheers. [[User:DaHuzyBru|DaHuzyBru]] ([[User talk:DaHuzyBru|talk]]) 04:06, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
+:Three articles is not enough to be considered "blatant". The concern could be whether mention is [[WP:DUE]] given that it was only cited to primary sources, but that's a content dispute. At this point, I think we AGF; they made a [[WP:BRD|bold edit and you reverted]]. Also, I generally don't block if a user hasn't been warned a few times (or at least once). Regards.—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 05:30, 14 July 2020 (UTC)