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==Reference issues== |
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Good morning, am a contributor from Zimbabwe and am having a problem. The issue here is in Zimbabwe, the sources available to prove a subject is notable are the ones that are reliable but then nomatter if I add them, my contributions are not recognised. |
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I think it is key to observe carefully what happens when it comes to Zimbabwean media references. |
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Two of my recent articles where moved to draft space due to issues to do with referencing I.e [[Mudiwa Hood]] but if you do a research online one can see that the subject is indeed notable. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Zvandofarira2|Zvandofarira2]] ([[User talk:Zvandofarira2#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Zvandofarira2|contribs]]) 08:32, 15 February 2021 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== References == |
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For an entry on a person, for whom a biography is included in the bibliography, should there also be one or more references to the biography in the text of the entry, or is it assumed that it applies to the whole entry ? [[User:Heagy1|Heagy1]] ([[User talk:Heagy1|talk]]) 04:15, 12 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{u|Heagy1}}, you should ideally cite multiple sources. Also, sources should be cited [[WP:IC|inline]], so it is easy to determine what text is sourced from what. Regards, <span style="font-family:'Tahoma'; color:#005494">[[User:Giraffer|Giraffer]] <sup>([[User talk:Giraffer|talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Giraffer|contribs]])</sup></span> 11:37, 12 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::{{u|Heagy1}}, that would depend on whether the person is living or historic. If the person is living (or recently deceased), [[WP:BLP]] will apply, and it requires inline citations. [[Special:Contributions/174.254.192.112|174.254.192.112]] ([[User talk:174.254.192.112|talk]]) 04:00, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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== Speedier New Article Approval Help == |
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Hi Esteemed Editors. I have created a new page on a prominent businessman located [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Draft:Dayakar_Veerlapati&oldid=1006304811 here]. I created the page before I became an auto confirmed user. Now the page is waiting for approval, which I understand can take four months or more. Is there any way to either speed up the approval process or create a new page as an auto confirmed user that will go live immediately (if I understand the process correctly)? FYI all of my citations are from independent news websites and I am a former professional journalist. I have also disclosed my COI. Thanks for any guidance you can provide. TennGal [[User:TennGal|TennGal]] ([[User talk:TennGal|talk]]) 20:15, 13 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{u|TennGal}}. Hello. There is no way to speed up the process. You are now autoconfirmed, but I would advise against moving the article yourself, as I'm not sure the sources are appropriate. I don't see where you declared your COI. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 20:31, 13 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::Courtesy: [[Draft:Dayakar Veerlapati]] is current version. Can also be days or weeks. Be patient. First time article creators are strongly advised to go through the AfC process. Moving your draft to mainspace without AfC means that it will run risk of new article reviewers either kicking it back to draft or nominating it to Articles for Deletion. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 21:04, 13 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{u331dotl}} Thanks for the kind and quick response. I tried again to post my COI. I'm not sure I did it correctly. I'm also not sure that I posted my original COI in the right place. I'm REALLY trying to do this right but it's so confusing. [[User:TennGal|TennGal]] ([[User talk:TennGal|talk]]) 21:12, 13 February 2021 (UTC)TennGal[[User:TennGal|TennGal]] ([[User talk:TennGal|talk]]) 21:12, 13 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:Hello, {{U|TennGal}}. I looked at the sources in the draft, and couldn't find a single one that is [[WP:IS|independent]] of Veerlapati. (I didn't look at all of them, but the titles of the ones I didn't are not encouraging). {{HD/WINI}} An article that is transparently based on an interview or press release does not meet these criteria. At present, in my view, the draft does not establish that Veerlapati is [[WP:NBIO|notable]]. If in fact he is not, then you are wasting your time (and ours). And like 331dot, I do not see anywhere where you have declared your COI. If you are in any way [[WP:paid editing|paid]] for writing this, then you are in breach of Wikipedia's terms of use if you don't make the required declaration. --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 21:13, 13 February 2021 (UTC) |
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Either COI or PAID go on your User page. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 21:14, 13 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:Hi [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]]. Thanks for this guidance. Respectfully, nine of the 16 sources that I cite for this article are from independent news sources such as the St. Louis Post-Dispatch and Inc. magazine. Veerlapati has been featured in multiple independent news outlets over the past two decades. Wouldn't that make him rise to the level of prominence to be the subject of a Wikipedia page? [[User:TennGal|TennGal]] ([[User talk:TennGal|talk]]) 21:48, 13 February 2021 (UTC)TennGal[[User:TennGal|TennGal]] ([[User talk:TennGal|talk]]) 21:48, 13 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{u|TennGal}} You posted a notice on the draft talk page, you should post one on your user page as well, [[User:TennGal]], or at least a simple statement regarding your COI and paid editing. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 21:54, 13 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{u|331dot}} I have posted the COI on my User Page now. If you have a moment and can take a look to confirm I did it correctly, I'd be most appreciative. [[User:TennGal|TennGal]] ([[User talk:TennGal|talk]]) 21:57, 13 February 2021 (UTC)TennGal |
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::That will work. Thanks [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 22:09, 13 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:Hello again, {{U|TennGal}}. I don't see a single reference from the St Louis Post-Dispatch. There are a couple from the St Louis Business Journal, and that may be a fine reliable independent journal for all I know, but the articles are not. 'Said Dayakar "Day" Veerlapati, president and chief executive' in the third paragraph means that the article is basically his words, not the reporter's. Not independent. --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 22:50, 13 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:Hey{{u|ColinFine}} STLToday.com is the website of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, the major daily newspaper serving St. Louis, Missouri, so I can see why you didn't think there wasn't a reference to it. The newspaper and the St. Louis Business Journal are both independent newspapers that employ professional journalists, similar to the Guardian or the New York Times, which would certainly quote the subject of an article in the process of their reporting. Surely quotes in independent media aren't a basis for disqualifying citations from a major media outlet? Thanks again for taking the time to help. [[User:TennGal|TennGal]] ([[User talk:TennGal|talk]]) 23:04, 13 February 2021 (UTC)TennGal[[User:TennGal|TennGal]] ([[User talk:TennGal|talk]]) 23:04, 13 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::Hello again m, {{U|TennGal}}. Whne a newspaper quotes the subject, they are reproducing the subject's words, and this is a [[WP:primary source|primary source]], and does not contribute in any way to [[WP:NBIO|notability]], which depends on [[WP:independent|independent]] commentary. --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 12:36, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:The draft starts: {{DarkRed|Dayakar "Day" Veerlapati (born July 25, 1958) is an Indian-American businessman and philanthropist. He is the founder, president and CEO of S2Tech, headquartered in Chesterfield, Missouri, and of S2Tech.com India Private Limited in Hyderabad, Telangana, India.}} I infer that his primary claim to fame is in connection with [[S2Tech]]; and as I continue reading the draft, my impression doesn't change. However, S2Tech doesn't have an article. If S2Tech isn't notable, it would be surprising if Veerlapati were nevertheless notable. If S2Tech is notable, then I would expect that somebody with no conflict of interest would want to create an article about it. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 02:31, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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== [[Ernst Flügel]] == |
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Hello everyone, not sure I'm at the right place for a question. I've just translated [[Ernst Flügel|this page]] from German. Can someone please tell me if it's worth opening a procedure to raise this new article to the "Good article" status or I better forget the idea ? Also, I haven't the faintest idea about how to proceed. Thanks. [[User:LouisAlain|LouisAlain]] ([[User talk:LouisAlain|talk]]) 21:47, 13 February 2021 (UTC) |
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: {{re|LouisAlain}} Welcome to Wikipedia and thanks for adding to it. There is lots of text in the references section which may be misplaced, and at least one broken ref tag error. After you fix that, you can look at the criteria at [[Wikipedia:Good_article_criteria]] for what else to improve to get the article to GA status. [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 22:25, 13 February 2021 (UTC) |
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: Thanks for your quick answer. I didn't expect the page to be acccepted as it is but Wiki being a collaborative encyclopedia, I hoped some others would be glad to participe to the bettering of the page. Thanks again [[User:LouisAlain|LouisAlain]] ([[User talk:LouisAlain|talk]]) 07:02, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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==Account Connection== |
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Help: I don't know how to merge my wikipedia accounts TicTawCentral and WaussusBeaver. help. [[User:WaussusBeaver|WaussusBeaver]] ([[User talk:WaussusBeaver|talk]]) 23:55, 13 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:You can't. Merging accounts is not technically possible. —[[User:Jéské Couriano|<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>]] [[User talk:Jéské Couriano|<span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span>]] <sup><small>[[Special:Contributions/Jéské Couriano|Takes a strong man to deny...]]</small></sup> 23:56, 13 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::But what you ''should'' do, {{U|WaussusBeaver}}, is to put a note on both User pages (replacing the fake article in [[User:WaussusBeaver]] and creating the non-existent [[User:TicTawCentral]]) to explain that both accounts belong to the same person. See the last sentenceo [[WP:SOCKLEGIT]]. --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 12:42, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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== Posting an edit to the Scrum Page == |
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I'm trying new to making edits to Wikipedia content on the Scrum (Software Development) wikio page, but a ''Wikipedian'' who goes by '''NJD-DE''' deleted several of my attempts to edit the page: [[Scrum_(software_development)|Scrum (Software Development)]] |
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I'm very frustrated by his/ her handling of this situation. I was simply posting that there are multiple variants of Scrum that support scaling Scrum concepts across large products teams and on an enterprise scale. Yes, I did initially try to list my book as a reference source - which is a scholarly work of 609 pages, and published by ''PACKT Publishing''- a leading book publisher that specializes in books for IT specialists. |
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What's strange to me is that other Scrum advocates have their materials in this wikipage, and even make clarifying comments. Heck! I know and have communicated with most of the folks who are listed on the Scrum page - in collaboration as I wrote this book and several of my previous book projects. |
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But, even when I took my book out as a qualified reference source, NJD-DE still deleted my post that was simply commenting about modern Scrum scaling methodologies. Then, instead of giving me advice on how to better frame my edits, NJD-DE threatened to block me. He did mention you folks, so hopefully you can help me out. |
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Here's what I was trying to post. How can I make it acceptable? |
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=== Scaling Scrum === |
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Over time, a number of Scrum scaling strategies have evolved to support implementation of Scrum-based agile practices in large product team organizations and also to support enterprise-wide business agility initiatives. Some scaling strategies deal strictly with large software development programs or projects requiring multiple development teams. Others incorporate systems thinking and lean development practices to implement business agility across all value creation and value delivery activities on an enterprise scale.<ref>{{cite book |last1=Rupp |first1=Cecil |title=Scaling Scrum Across Modern Enterprises |date=August 2020 |publisher=PACKT Publishing |location=Birmingham, UK |isbn=978-1-83921-647-3 |pages=609 |edition=First |url=https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08FCTNTQQ/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i0 |access-date=12 February 2021 |ref=Scaling Scrum}}</ref> |
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A shortlist of leading scaled Scrum and Lean-Agile practices include the following: |
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* '''Scrum-of-Scrums''' |
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* '''Scrum-At-Scale''' |
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* '''The Nexus Framework''' |
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* '''Large Scale Scrum (LeSS)''' |
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* '''Disciplined Agile (DA)''' |
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* '''Scaled Agile Framework® (SAFe®)''' |
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[[Special:Contributions/2601:283:4103:DF30:C1ED:1A4E:52DF:310F|2601:283:4103:DF30:C1ED:1A4E:52DF:310F]] ([[User talk:2601:283:4103:DF30:C1ED:1A4E:52DF:310F|talk]]) 01:17, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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{{reftalk}} |
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:Hi IP editor, what's your question? —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu 🐲</span>]] ( [[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]] ) 01:51, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::{{U|Tenryuu}}, above is what the IP was trying to post in an article; how can they make it acceptable? -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 02:07, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::The serial reverter is {{U|Njd-de}}, who may wish to comment. I can't comment much further, as (just considering the snippet above) I can't derive any meaning from "agile practices", "business agility initiatives", "systems thinking", "lean development practices", "value creation", or "value delivery activities". (I'm not saying that they have no meaning -- although this suspicion does occur to me -- just that they have none in ''my'' little cranium.) -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 02:22, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:::{{ec}} {{re|Hoary}} Thanks; I may have glanced over it in my edits to restore the Teahouse from a misplaced ref tag. |
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:::IP editor (whom I assume to be {{np|Cgrupp55}}, as the aforementioned discussion seems to be on [[User talk:Cgrupp55]]), {{U|Njd-de}} appears to have taken issue with the reference provided, which links to [[WP:AMAZON|Amazon]]. If it were cited differently, like with the book's ISBN, that ''might'' be a different story, but it's best to discuss on the article's talk page as part of the [[WP:BRD|bold, revert, discuss cycle]]. The content added probably required a reliable source in Njd-de's eyes, and in the absence of one, they went and reverted it. —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu 🐲</span>]] ( [[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]] ) 02:26, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::::The serial reverters, if one wishes to call us that, were {{U|MrOllie}} and me. As I also tried to [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Cgrupp55&diff=1006629118&oldid=1006622844&diffmode=visual explain] on the user's talkpage the nature of the edits looked clearly promotional: |
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::::First IP tries twice to add a book as reference/further reading material ([[Special:Diff/1006406156]], [[Special:Diff/1006409403]]). This was reverted by MrOllie with edit summary {{tq|Rm apparent refspam}}. Then an account was created, a new section added to the article and referenced with their own source. ([[Special:Diff/1006410518/1006427139]]). I reverted this as it looked promotional, and lacked a reliable and independent source. Despite edit summary ({{tq|Using Wikipedia for advertising and/or promotion is not permitted.}}) and a talk page message, they attempted at adding the section again without any source ([[Special:Diff/1006429927]]). It got reverted by MrOllie ({{tq|This isn't a place for you to promote}}). After that another attempt was made at adding the book as reference under Further reading ([[Special:Diff/1006439023]]). By now it had been clear that someone was trying everything possible to get their book into this article, so I reverted it ({{tq|unclear what should be referenced here; oh and we're still not going to use WP to promote books}}). My talk page warning message then included a standard remark about our blocking policy regarding usage of Wikipedia as a soapbox. |
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::::If other book authors are using the Scrum article for promoting their work, then this should be acted upon. Just because ''other stuff exists'' is not an excuse for turning an article into an advertisement though. |
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::::{{re|Cgrupp55}}/IP: I suggest that you propose your edits on the article talk page, and let independent users decide whether the section is relevant, and if your book should be used as reference/added as further reading material. In the meantime I would recommend having a look at the [[Wikipedia:PROMOTION|not a soapbox]] policy and the [[Wikipedia:Conflict of interest|conflict of interest]] guideline. – [[User:Njd-de|NJD-DE]] ([[User talk:Njd-de|talk]]) 11:09, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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== About GA articles == |
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Are you allowed to request that a article nominated for [[WP:GA|GA-status]] be reviewed? I do have a article I have nominated for GA status that I would like to be reviewed. [[User:AlabamaFan101|AlabamaFan101]] ([[User talk:AlabamaFan101|talk]]) 03:17, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{re|AlabamaFan101}} all articles that are nominated are "requested to be reviewed" - that's how nominations pass or fail. Unless you're referring to some other process. |
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:Asking individual editors to review your GA isn't a common thing, though it's not in violation of any policy to do so. [[User:Elliot321|Elliot321]] ([[User_talk:Elliot321|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Elliot321|contribs]]) 04:01, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::{{ping|Elliot321}} Regarding my question, I was referring to asking individual editors to review it. Would it be a good idea to do so? —[[User:AlabamaFan101|AlabamaFan101]] ([[User talk:AlabamaFan101|talk]]) 04:46, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:::{{re|AlabamaFan101}} Generally I would say no, unless you already have a decent relationship with the particular editor you'd ask. Given that there's a queue, asking others might be viewed as attempting to "jump the line". [[User:Elliot321|Elliot321]] ([[User_talk:Elliot321|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Elliot321|contribs]]) 04:47, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::::Not as a formal review, but you could see if there were editors who had made significant contributions to the article in the recent past - and are still active editors - and invite them to look at the article. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 11:06, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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== Anna Morris Holstein == |
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Again, thank you all for your previous responses and guidance. After recently posting some small contributions to a few pages, it became even more apparent that others with significantly more qualifications and experience are best to take on the task of creating the actual “new” pages relating to Anna Morris Holstein. (As well as editing / improving my recent layman attempts at edits to existing pages). |
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Hoping that the minor contributions made today to the existing 5 pages (Washington Memorial Chapel, Washington’s Valley Forge Headquarters, Valley Forge National Historical Park, Daughters of the American Revolution (D.A.R.) the Patriotic Order Sons of America (POS of A), may help offer some background on this incredible woman, while also generating some passion for others to lead the task of creating an actual high-quality Wikipedia page for Anna, as well as one for The Centennial and Memorial Association of Valley Forge. |
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Anna’s creative leadership, passion and dedication in efforts to save, preserve, restore General George Washington’s Valley Forge Headquarters, as well as the initial surrounding acreage that today is known as Valley Forge Park, seems far past due for Wikipedia recognition. In addition to her efforts saving Valley Forge HQ, she served over three years during the Civil War as Nurse / Matron-In-Chief, fund raiser, donor, from Gettysburg to Virginia etc… as founder and first regent of the Valley Forge Chapter of D.A.R., support and fund-raising with the Mount Vernon Ladies Association helping to save and preserve President Washington’s VA Home, Regent for Pennsylvania House at Chicago World’s Fair she also led many other large and small national, regional and community efforts. |
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Apologies for the rookie attempts at page edits, but hopefully this can at least help jump-start one of your incredible ongoing efforts you have previously led to educate and spread the word to help honor these tremendously deserving women. Hopefully links to the many various historians and historical societies / organizations that have factual data have been referred to correctly. In addition to the ones used today there are still dozens of other reputable sources that document details about her many contributions. Including the Library of Congress, The NPS, Historical Authors and contemporary journalists. |
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While prior to these initial raw additions I just made to existing pages made today there was no mention of Anna Holstein at all, anywhere on Wikipedia, hopefully as you provide your expertise people will be able to see as many of her great contributions as possible in the coming weeks, months, years…. Thank you again |
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Below are just some of the links to credible sources that were used today, dozens more exist: |
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Historian Lorett Treese - History of Valley Forge Park; Making and Remaking A National Symbol: https://www.nps.gov/parkhistory/online_books/vafo/treese/treese2.htm |
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Daughters of the American Revolution Magazine - Ceremony to Dedicate Prayer Desk at Washington Memorial Chapel to Anna: https://books.google.com/books?id=ZnwmAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA44&lpg=PA44&dq=daughters+of+the+american+revolution+magazine+anna+holstein&source=bl&ots=6CusigPp2t&sig=ACfU3U2QHntFYHyKBuOAPBLC3rgty9ezTg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwijnKnNmbHuAhUqFFkFHfiVAp4Q6AEwCXoECAkQAg#v=onepage&q=daughters%20of%20the%20american%20revolution%20magazine%20anna%20holstein&f=false |
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Obituary: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/31433481/obit-anna-morris-holstein-died-jan-2/ |
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Hosting DAR and others at Valley Forge, as she was leading efforts trying to save it, Philadelphia Inquirer: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/11245388/patriots-visit-valley-forge-nov-18/ |
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Philadelphia Inquirer Article, The Woman Who Saved the Shrine: http://www.kophistory.org/the-woman-who-saved-the-shrine/ |
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One of the Books She Authored: Three Years In Field Hospitals In The Army of The Potomac - https://archive.org/details/threeyearsinfiel00hols |
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Library of Congress: Minutes and History of The Centennial and Memorial Association of Valley Forge [[User:CBrookUM|CBrookUM]] ([[User talk:CBrookUM|talk]]) 03:45, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:Instead of citing Amazon, you need to cite the book itself. Instead of citing newspapers.com, you need to cite the newspaper. Instead of citing archive.org, you need to cite the book. You can also give those URLs in your citations, but as an aid to the reader, not as the source itself. [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] ([[User talk:Maproom|talk]]) 08:39, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::{{u|CBrookUM}} Now that you are developing some expertise in adding text and references to existing articles, I recommend that you take on the project of creating an article about Anna Morris Holstein. A little thing: no space between punctuation and references. Good luck and Godspeed. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 11:21, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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== RCP == |
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Hi, I was wondering if I could get back to RCP now. [[User:Firestar464|Firestar464]] ([[User talk:Firestar464|talk]]) 04:08, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:Hi [[User:Firestar464|Firestar464]]. Can you explain what you mean? RCP here usually refers to [[WP:RCP|recent changes patrol]], which is entirely voluntary and something you can do anytime, without advanced permissions or rights.--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] ([[User talk:Fuhghettaboutit|talk]]) 05:17, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::{{u|Fuhghettaboutit}} I have previously been advised against said patrol, but want to get back to it. I'm now asking for the feedback of other editors before doing so, just to be safe. [[User:Firestar464|Firestar464]] ([[User talk:Firestar464|talk]]) 06:00, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:::{{u|Firestar464}} what were the reasons for being advised against said patrol? [[User:Elliot321|Elliot321]] ([[User_talk:Elliot321|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Elliot321|contribs]]) 06:50, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::{{courtesy link|User talk:Firestar464#I see you've been having a hard time on here lately.}}. --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 12:48, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::: [[User:ColinFine|ColineFine]], there is a bit more to the story. I'm glad I just happened to be browsing the Teahouse. Due to a rough start, Firestar464 was strongly advised by at least two administrators not to start RCP again. I initially did not want to mentor Firestar464 because I did not have the mental capacity to do so at the time. However, I am now feeling much better. I was wondering if Firestar could resume RCP, but I would check his reverts and comment if I find them objectionable. I could also tell him how to improve in the future if he makes a mistake. However, I would not recommend that he starts again until he gets approval from the administrators in question. {{ping|Valereee}}, what do you think? I personally think it is a bit too soon, but if my solution works, I am fine with it. [[User:Scorpions13256|Scorpions13256]] ([[User talk:Scorpions13256|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::::@[[User:Scorpions13256|Scorpions13256]], thanks for the ping. If you want to work on helping FS learn how to productively contribute in that area and feel you can help, I have no objection as long as you're checking everything and will continue to do so until we have further discussion. As always one of our main concerns is that when a newish editor gets accused of vandalism when their edits were good-faith but simply not necessarily a clear improvement, it can drive them away for good. |
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::::I think it might be a good idea to open a section on FS's page that notifies other editors that you're working to mentor FS on this (and link to this section), so that if someone has a concern they'll know to pull you into any discussion. I appreciate you stepping forward to help here! [[User:Valereee|—valereee]] ([[User talk:Valereee|talk]]) 21:05, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:::::Excellent idea. However, I'm unsure of how to put a template at the top of his talk page. That is one thing I have yet to learn how to do. I'll do it as soon as possible. I do agree that [[WP:BITE]] drives away many new editors these days. I'm occasionally guilty of that myself. I will try to create the template as soon as possible. [[User:Scorpions13256|Scorpions13256]] ([[User talk:Scorpions13256|talk]]) 21:10, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:::::The template is on his talk page. [[User:Scorpions13256|Scorpions13256]] ([[User talk:Scorpions13256|talk]]) 21:31, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::::::Thanks a lot guys. So what is the best course of action for me now? [[User:Firestar464|Firestar464]] ([[User talk:Firestar464|talk]]) 04:48, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:::::::In my opinion, I would recommend starting out reverting no more than 10 edits per day during RCP. That way I can assess your edits more thoroughly. |
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Tips I have: |
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# Do not edit people's userspaces unless it is obvious vandalism or they specifically authorize you to do so. That includes that talk page to the humorous userbox you just visited. |
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# If you are unsure what the best action to take is in a given situation, sometimes it is best to leave someone else to deal with it. If someone edits a page during RCP with an [[WP:UNDUE]] violation or any other unconstructive (but good faith) edit, do not revert it if you are unsure you are doing the right thing. As a matter of fact, do not do anything at all. Most articles have watchers who are experts on the subject that can make more accurate judgments than most people, including some administrators. |
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# Do not report any users who have been editing longer than a couple of weeks to AIV or UAA (not counting IPs). You did this a couple of times, and the users were editing in good-faith. Odds are someone else would have reported them too if there actually were violations. I have only had to report one old account to AIV, and that was an LTA masquerading as an anti-vandal. Also, do not report anyone who has not vandalized within the past 12 hours. |
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# Do not remove any content from articles unless the content is copyrighted, inaccurate, or is an unsourced defamatory claim directed towards a living person. Do not remove any [[WP:OR]] or [[WP:UNDUE]] violations at all. I do not think you have the experience just yet to make those calls. |
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# You do not have to hit the undo button if you are unsure whether the edits you are examining are constructive. |
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# Do not be afraid to message me on my talk page. [[User:Scorpions13256|Scorpions13256]] ([[User talk:Scorpions13256|talk]]) 05:20, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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== How can we spread wikiKindness? == |
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It’s Valentine’s Day in the US, and I want to start my latest Tea House request with this: |
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''Hi, I’m DrMel and I am profoundly, profoundly grateful that you, whomever is reading this at the Teahouse, have been putting in allllll the hours you have to help with these insane and beautiful wikiworlds we’re part of. |
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I’ve been working on wikiprojects since 2004, but we may have never yet connected. I’m happy to connect now. And very grateful for all your help with this work on the “sum of all human knowledge” stuff. |
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== Cyprus military ranks == |
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I / We have a bunch of ways we want to help make it easier to show appreciation. |
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I need help with the NCO ranks, i already made the png files how the ranks look but i dont know how to modify the code so i make it look like the greek one, cypriot army have 2 nco ranks for every rank, one for permanent NCOs that completed military academy and the other for SYP-EPY (in Greece EPOP-EMTh) for contracted NCOs that cannot become Warrant Officers, example bellow. |
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'' |
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=== NCO and other ranks === |
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{|style="background-color: #ffc0cb; border: 1px solid #800080;" |
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NCO ranks (excl. OR-9 and conscript ranks) have undergone some changes through the years, the latest being in 2004.<ref>{{Cite web |last=tanea.gr |date=2004-10-11 |title=Aλλάζουν το εθνόσημο και οι «σαρδέλες» |url=https://www.tanea.gr/2004/10/11/greece/allazoyn-to-ethnosimo-kai-oi-sardeles/ |access-date=2024-06-10 |website=ΤΑ ΝΕΑ |language=el}}</ref> |
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Heart Labyrinth.png|120px]] |
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{| style="border:1px solid #8888aa; background-color:#f7f8ff; padding:5px; font-size:95%; margin: 0px 12px 12px 0px;" |
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | It’s a maze of twisty passages all around here. Sometimes it’s hard to feel appreciated. This Heart-shaped Labyrinth is to say Thank YOU, Wikipedian, for all your hard work!!! from Me to YOU. I appreciate your work. I really do. |
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{{Ranks and Insignia of NATO Armies/OR/Blank}} |
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{{Ranks and Insignia of NATO Armies/OR/Greece}} |
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| rowspan=2| '''{{flagcountry|Greece}}'''<br/><small>'''(Conscripts)'''</small> |
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| colspan=6| [[File:GR-Army-OFD.svg|50px]] |
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| colspan=4 rowspan=2| '''''No equivalent'''''{{Hr}} |
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| colspan=6| [[File:Army-GRE-OR-06c.svg|50px]] |
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| colspan=4| [[File:Army-GRE-OR-04c.svg|50px]] |
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| colspan=2| [[File:GR-Army-Υποδεκανέας.svg|50px]] |
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| colspan=6| [[File:Army-GRE-ΥΕΒ.svg|70px]] |
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| colspan=2| '''No insignia''' |
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| colspan=6| {{lang|el|[[Officer Designate|Δόκιμος Έφεδρος Αξιωματικός]]}}<br/>{{lang|el-latn|Dokimos Efedros Axiomatikos}}{{efn|name="Greek Warrant"}} |
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| colspan=6| {{lang|el|[[Sergeant|Λοχίας]]}}<br/>{{lang|el-latn|Lochias}} |
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| colspan=4| {{lang|el|[[Corporal|Δεκανέας]]}}<br/>{{lang|el-latn|Dekaneas}} |
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| colspan=2| {{lang|el|[[Lance Corporal|Υποδεκανέας]]}}<br/>{{lang|el-latn|Ypodekaneas}} |
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| colspan=6| {{lang|el|[[Private first class|Υποψήφιος Έφεδρος Βαθμοφόρος]]}}<br/>{{lang|el-latn|Ypopsifios Efedros Bathmoforos}} |
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| colspan=2| {{lang|el|[[Private (rank)|Στρατιώτης]]}}<br/>{{lang|el-latn|Stratiotis}} |
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{{Talk reflist}} |
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{{Talk notelist}} |
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*{{ping|Hog Farm}} Hi. Would you be able to answer this question? I mean, does it come under the field you are knowledgeable about (MILHIST)? I already have a program/bot that finds the creators of discussions, I will ping the OP in few hours. —usernamekiran [[User talk:usernamekiran|(talk)]] 06:09, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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and my Teahouse request is: how do we make things like this easy to share and remix so people can spread some more wikiLove and wikikindness around here? Grateful for your help with possibilities. What makes #wikilove go viral? |
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== Rules of recommendations to add links in an article == |
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Hello ! I'd like to know if there are rules or recommendations to add links in an article. |
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I'm talking about internal links to Wikipedia in English. |
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What the world needs now |
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is love, sweet wiki love |
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it’s the only thing that |
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there’s just too little of |
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As an example. We can choose the article "[[Bashar Al-Assad]]". <br /> |
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If there are a section or a sub-section citing "[[Moscow]]" '''(This is an example but I could take another subject mentionned on this article)'''. |
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If Moscow is linked one time in the article. Can I do it for others sections or sub-sections if this is not the same sub-section or section ? |
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[[User:DrMel|DrMel]] ([[User talk:DrMel|talk]]) 06:31, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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If you don't understand what I means with words '''"section"''' and '''"sub-section"'''. <br /> |
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:Go to your Preferences, click the "Editing" tab, and then click "Enable showing appreciation for other users with the WikiLove tab". Regards, --''[[User:Bonadea|bonadea]]'' <small>[[Special:Contributions/Bonadea|contributions]] [[User talk:Bonadea|talk]]</small> 11:22, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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You can see the example below. |
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:Ah, I [[Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_1095#Help_Adding_new_image_to_wikiLove_templates?|see that you are aware of that]]. Apologies, I did not intend to editorsplain something you already know. In that case, I have no idea – I'm not sure what would be simpler than the current wikilove tab. --''[[User:Bonadea|bonadea]]'' <small>[[Special:Contributions/Bonadea|contributions]] [[User talk:Bonadea|talk]]</small> 11:29, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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== Can I draft an article about myself and get it published on this site? == |
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== help with my first publishing! == |
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Hi Everyone, |
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hi, please help me to publich my 1st article? Thanks [[User:Delia Dykes|Delia Dykes]] ([[User talk:Delia Dykes|talk]]) 06:19, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{u|Delia Dykes}}, what exactly would you like help with? To start an article, I'd recommend creating a draft by using the guide at [[Wikipedia:Articles for creation]], then getting it published through the process listed there. [[User:Elliot321|Elliot321]] ([[User_talk:Elliot321|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Elliot321|contribs]]) 06:49, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{u|Delia Dykes}}, also it might helpful to have a look at [[WP:YFA]]. [[User:CommanderWaterford|CommanderWaterford]] ([[User talk:CommanderWaterford|talk]]) 12:55, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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=== help with my first publishing! (2)=== |
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{{fyi|Merged sections, refactored headings, and consolidated discussion. —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu 🐲</span>]] ( [[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]] ) 07:33, 14 February 2021 (UTC)}} |
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I am new here and I want to contribute a page of my own life story, but it may not work with the management since they prefer to have someone else to write about it. That's my understanding, but what if a person wants to do what I want with integrity and facts? I am trying to establish just one short page on the topic to start later edits by other editors. Thank you, [[User:Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor|Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor]] ([[User talk:Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor|talk]]) 22:27, 19 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Hi |
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: Hi {{u|Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor}}. I suggest you take a look at [[:Wikipedia:Autobiography]], [[:Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not]] and [[:Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything]] because it sounds like you might be misunderstanding some things about Wikipedia and how it works. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 22:33, 19 December 2024 (UTC) |
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I have created a page, but it is now appearing in WIKI search... Can you please help me? |
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::To succeed, a draft submitted to AfC for review must have content verified by references to succeed. You are prohibited from creating a draft about yourself based on what you know to be true with the hope that other editors will provide the references (if there are any). [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 23:50, 19 December 2024 (UTC) |
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many thanks |
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:::Thank you, David notMD. [[User:Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor|Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor]] ([[User talk:Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor|talk]]) 20:00, 20 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::Hi Marchjuly, thank you for your suggestion. I've checked the contents you suggested me to look into and I gathered that there would be no chance for anyone to contribute their biography on Wikipedia. The only way apparent to me now is that other people who are willing to cover someone who are noted write a piece about that individual. Am I not misunderstanding now? [[User:Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor|Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor]] ([[User talk:Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor|talk]]) 03:12, 20 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{u|Delia Dykes}} looking at [[Special:Contributions/Delia_Dykes|your contributions]], I don't see your page, have you saved it? If so, can you link to it? [[User:Elliot321|Elliot321]] ([[User_talk:Elliot321|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Elliot321|contribs]]) 07:16, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:::In addition @[[User:Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor|Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor]] |
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:::I feel there is need for you to understand basic editing, See [[Help:Editing|WP:Editing]] before creating articles as this can be very difficult for beginners who just joined the project. [[User:Tesleemah|Tesleemah]] ([[User talk:Tesleemah|talk]]) 05:24, 20 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::You're not quite understanding. People who are truly notable ''can'' write biographies about themselves and have them published, and some have. But this is hard to do when you have a conflict of interest, as we all do about ourselves. |
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:::See [[WP:Golden Rule]]. That is what's required, in a nutsheell. Are there published reliable sources that are ''independent'' of you, providing ''significant coverage'' of you? If there are multiple such sources, then yes, you can write a biography citing them. The biography cannot use any information other than what is published, so you cannot write what you know, you must write what has been covered. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 05:43, 20 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::::Thank you for your comments and clarification. I do multiple have published reliable sources in English and Chinese that are independent of myself. I think I will tive i.rLetyme know if you have any more comments. I'd appreciate that. now? [[User:Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor|Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor]] ([[User talk:Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor|talk]]) 18:19, 20 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::::Yes, I get it. Thank you. [[User:Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor|Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor]] ([[User talk:Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor|talk]]) 20:02, 20 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::{{ping|Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor}} As posted above, even though creating an article about yourself isn't expressly prohibited, it can be quite hard and those who try often end up feeling quite frustrated when they start running into problems while trying to do so. My suggestion to you would be to use the [[:Wikipedia:Articles for creation]] process to first work on [[:WP:DRAFTS|a draft for an article]] and then submit that draft for review when you think it's ready. If the draft is declined (even multiple times), the reviewer will explain why and otherwise leave feedback on what further is needed for the draft to someday be accepted as an article. There's no real deadline when it comes to drafts, and you can work at your own pace on it. The only thing you need to do is continue working on improving it and avoid submitting the same declined version over and over again; you also need to make sure you don't "[[:WP:DRAFTS#Abandoned drafts|abandon]]" the draft by not making any meaningful edits to it for six months because such drafts are eligible for speedy deletion. You're not required to start a draft per se, but once something gets added to the [[:WP:MAINSPACE|Wikipedia article namespace]], pretty much anything goes and the page can be edited by anyone at anytime; this could mean improvements, but it could just as easily mean being nominated, proposed or tagged for [[:WP:DELETION]]. Before pressing ahead, you might want to take a look at [[:Wikipedia:Notability (people)]], [[:Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons]], [[:Wikipedia:Conflict of interest editing]] (particularly the [[:WP:COISELF]] and [[:WP:LUC]] sections), [[:Wikipedia:Ownership of content]] and [[:Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing]] because you'll have pretty much zero final editorial control over any article you create about yourself, and all of it's content will be expected to be in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines, which in some cases might not be the same as what you want it to be. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 20:29, 20 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::Again, thanks for the thorough explanations. I have gained a lot more understanding now. So, it's the best for other people to write about someone else. I get it, but how about people have someone other than themselves write their biography, for example, people who know the topic person well, or hired writers? [[User:Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor|Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor]] ([[User talk:Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor|talk]]) 21:08, 20 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::::It's best to avoid COI editing, especially paid editing. It tends to attract hostile scrutiny. |
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:::::::Depending on who you are, there may be someone who would be interested in writing an article about you. Many editors specialize in certain types of biography: sports figures, academicians, scientists; the bios I write are often about chefs. But that would require you to disclose your identity, which you may not want to do. [[User:Valereee|Valereee]] ([[User talk:Valereee|talk]]) 21:15, 20 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::: {{ping|Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor}} Any type of "paid" editing needs to be done in accordance with [[:WP:PAID]]; it's not expressly prohibited to have an article created by paying someone to do it for you, but basically that's a contract between you and the other party that has nothing to do with Wikipedia. It's your money and you're free to spend it as you please, but there are lots of [[:WP:SCAM]]s out there that promise all kinds of things that simply are impossible to deliver; so, if you do decide to take that path, you should make sure to ask lots of questions before giving someone your money because Wikipedia won't help you get it back if things go wrong. Other options to consider might be trying [[:WP:RA]] (which seems to be more miss than hit) or asking on the talk page of a [[:WP:WPPJ|WikiProject]] that might be related to whatever you think makes you Wikipedia notable. Whatever you do, you're going to most likely find it hard to remain anonymous because Wikipedia operates in the [[:WP:REALWORLD]], and the way it's set up can make it easy for others to connect the dots and figure out who you really are.{{pb}}Personally, I still find it a bit odd when people seek to either create Wikipedia articles about themselves or try to find/pay someone to create such an article on their behalf. That sort of indicates to me that said person might be mistaking Wikipedia for some type of social media site or other kind of online profile site, which it's most definitely not. The most natural way for someone to have a Wikipedia article created about them is for them to do enough Wikipedia notable things so that reliable sources start covering them to the point that someone completely unconnected to them wants to create such an article. Of course, since this tends to work better for really famous people like movie stars. musicians, pro athletes, etc. than it does for other types of people who tend to be ignored by main stream media sources, I can somewhat understand feeling "I've got to do this myself because nobody is going to do it for me". Still it comes down to someone wanting to have a Wikipedia article written about them despite the fact that they're pretty much going to have zero control over what that article becomes over time. There seem to be much better [[:WP:ALTERNATIVE]]s these days for someone to establish an online presence that they'll have total editorial control over and be able to use to let the world know about all about themselves. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 23:23, 20 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::::Sorry to bother you again. Did you mean that the persons (such as celebrities, known politicians) who have a page written by unconnected people is not able to edit that page which is about the very themselves? [[User:Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor|Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor]] ([[User talk:Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor|talk]]) 18:57, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::::::They can edit it, but anyone else is free to edit, too. Article subjects have no control over the articles about them. Other editors can add stuff you'd prefer not to include and can remove stuff you'd like to include. [[User:Valereee|Valereee]] ([[User talk:Valereee|talk]]) 20:23, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::::: {{ping|Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor}} The subjects of articles can edit said articles, but they're going to be expected to do so in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines just like any other editor; the subjects of articles don't "own" the articles in the sense that they've got total control over what's written in the article, and they can't stop others from editing the article. When the subject of an article has a problem with what's written about them, Wikipedia has processes in place to try and help them sort things out as explained [[:WP:BLPKIND|here]]; Wikipedia, however, doesn't do what the subject wants just because the subject wants it done. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 00:00, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::::::The general guidance is that the subject of an article can make minor corrections to grammar, spelling, numers, names, etc, can add citations to reliable ''independent'' sources, and can revert obvious vandalism. Anything more substantive than that should be proposed on the article talk page. |
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:::::::::That's after the article has been published. While it's still a draft, the subject is free to make any edits to it, and a reviewer would either accept the draft for publicaiton or decline it. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 00:09, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Sandbox == |
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my page is here: "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Delia_Dykes" |
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how do I save it? there is no SAVE button [[User:Delia Dykes|Delia Dykes]] ([[User talk:Delia Dykes|talk]]) 07:19, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{u|Delia Dykes}} the "publish page" button should work once you've finished. |
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:It looks like your page was originally deleted due to it looking like you were using Wikipedia as a web host. I can't see the page, so I don't know if this was accurate - but if you'd like to draft an article, I would recommend doing it either as a subpage of your userpage - like at [[User:Delia Dykes/article name]] or in the Draft namespace, like [[Draft:article name]]. |
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:If you're planning on writing an article about yourself, please read the policy on it at [[Wikipedia:Autobiography]] first. [[User:Elliot321|Elliot321]] ([[User_talk:Elliot321|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Elliot321|contribs]]) 07:22, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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Is there any way to use existing articles as template sorta things for the sandbox? Any help is appreciated! [[User:Willzdawgh|Willzdawgh]] ([[User talk:Willzdawgh|talk]]) 04:05, 21 December 2024 (UTC) |
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=== help with my first publishing! (3) === |
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:Hello, {{u|Willzdawgh}}. Yes. you can copy an existing article into your sandbox, but for attribution purposes, you should use an edit summary of something like "Copying (article title) into my sandbox for article development purposes". Wikilink the article in question where I said (article title). [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 04:18, 21 December 2024 (UTC) |
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{{fyi|Merging section with above. —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu 🐲</span>]] ( [[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]] ) 07:32, 14 February 2021 (UTC)}} |
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::Copying [[Donald Trump]] into my sandbox for article development purposes |
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::Like that? [[User:Willzdawgh|Willzdawgh]] ([[User talk:Willzdawgh|talk]]) 04:20, 21 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::That is a ''massive'' and highly controversial article, {{u|Willzdawgh}}. Why on earth would you select that article? [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 04:34, 21 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::::srry if I did something wrong bro. I'm new and I also forgot to mention that I was wanting to do this merely bc I was bored. I'm sorry if that's a problem. More specifically I wanted to mess around with hypertranslate and replace the article's text with the result on hypertranslate. I'm sorry if I'm unknowingly planning on doing something I'm not allowed to. I'll refrain from doing this if that's the case. Once again, very sorry. [[User:Willzdawgh|Willzdawgh]] ([[User talk:Willzdawgh|talk]]) 04:42, 21 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::No need to apologize. If you're here to experiment, I recommend scouting scouting out stub articles via [[Special:RandomPage]], pasting the wikitext into your sandbox, and messing around with the source there. If you need any help, you can refer to the tutorial at [[Help:Wikitext]], the cheatsheet at [[Help:Cheatsheet]], or an experienced editor (not me.) Thanks for asking, [[User: Sparkle & Fade|''Sparkle and Fade'']] <sup>[[User_talk:Sparkle & Fade|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Sparkle & Fade|edits]]</sub> 04:45, 21 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::Something like that should be done either A) on your computer or B) [[Special:MyPage/Sandbox|in your sandbox]]. Certainly ''not'' on a massive and controversial page like Donald Trump [[User:Someone-123-321]] (I [[Special:Contributions/Someone-123-321|contribute]], [[User talk:Someone-123-321|Talk page so SineBot will shut up]]) 07:18, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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{{u|Willzdawgh}} Applying the Hypertranslate software to the text of an existing article and then replacing the original text would be considered vandalism and would result in your account being indefinitely blocked. If all you are is curious about what repeated Google Translate would do to any Wikipedia text, do that on your own computer and do not bring it back to Wikipedia. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 11:45, 21 December 2024 (UTC) |
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hi, so I have re-entered the page.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Article_name [[User:Delia Dykes|Delia Dykes]] ([[User talk:Delia Dykes|talk]]) 07:26, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:I can already tell that this will go nowhere. Article_name is not the actual name for the article, massive [[WP:MOS|MOS]] issues, no [[WP:RS]], a lot of [[WP:NPOV]] violations, and I can see signs of [[Wikipedia:Copyright violations]] and copy-pasting [https://copyvios.toolforge.org/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&oldid=1006693938&action=compare&url=https%3A%2F%2Fpr.grigori-grabovoi.world%2Findex.php%2F2016-10-19-13-58-00%2Fagreement-of-distributor (see here)] and a ton of other issues I'm sure other editors can point out. [[User:WhoAteMyButter|<span style="color:#ffb300;text-shadow:1px 1px 6px rgba(255,153,0,0.6)">WhoAteMyButter</span>]] ([[User talk:WhoAteMyButter|<span title="Talk Page">📨</span>]]│[[Special:Contributions/WhoAteMyButter|<span title="Contribs">📝</span>]]) 07:32, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::To be clear: it is impossible that what you have created as that draft can become a Wikipedia article. It has been nominated for Speedy deletion. Very soon, it will be deleted, along with any history that it existed. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 11:24, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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== Passive voice in articles == |
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:Hello, {{U|Delia Dykes}}: welcome to the Teahouse, and to Wikipedia. I think it is a great pity that so many people come to Wikipedia with the laudable ambition of creating an article, and appear to think that, because it is the encyclopaedia that anyone can edit, they can start straight in on doing so. I think this is a bit like somebody who hears a violin concerto and wants to play it, buys a violin, and starts trying to play this master-work: it doesn't work, and it often leads to frustration and disappointment. The analogy is perhaps a bit exaggerated, but not that much: creating a Wikipedia article today is ''much'' harder than it looks (and also much harder than it was in the early days, which is why we have tens of thousands of really terrible articles, many of which should be deleted: we have higher standards now). I urge you, for your own satisfaction as well as for the benefit of Wikipedia, to put your wish to create an article aside for the moment, and learn the craft of editing Wikipedia - and its criteria for notability, neutrality, and all the other policies - by spending some weeks or months improving some of our six million existing articles before you look at [[WP:your first article|your first article]] and return to it. If you're not sure where to find articles to work on, you can have a look at [[WP:Community Portal|Community Portal]], or find a [[WP:WikiProject|WikiProject]] that interests you, or just pick [[WP:Random article|Random article]] until you find something interesting. --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 13:16, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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{{Courtesy link|User:Sparkle & Fade/sandbox|linktext=Sacred Reich (sandbox)}} |
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== Peer review category == |
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I'm working on a draft for the [[Sacred Reich]] article (at my sandbox) for a major edit, and I ran my text through numerous grammar/spellcheckers like EasyBib and Grammarly. The most common—and most confusing—is on the use of [[passive voice]]. For context, passive voice is "the ball ''was kicked by'' Jeremy", while active voice is "Jeremy ''kicked'' the ball". I don't know whether or not I should be using passive voice in my prose (i.e. "Greg Hall was fired from the band and was replaced by drummer Tim Radziwill). I have attempted to use featured articles as examples, but usually doesn't seem to happen because of the abundance of information on the subject (i.e [[The Beatles]] or [[Alice in Chains]]) compared to a band like Sacred Reich. In my opinion, I'm not sure whether or not to use passive voice because it sounds rough when introducing a new member. |
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I'm just curious but which category for [[Wikipedia:Peer review|peer review]] would a American football player like [[Marlon Humphrey]] be in? [[User:AlabamaFan101|AlabamaFan101]] ([[User talk:AlabamaFan101|talk]]) 07:10, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:Even before your edits this was far better than Start class. I upgraded to B-class. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 11:30, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::Just nominated the article for GA-status, [[User:David notMD]]. —[[User:AlabamaFan101|AlabamaFan101]] ([[User talk:AlabamaFan101|talk]]) 18:08, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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For example, "Greg Hall ... was replaced by Dave McClain ... later that year." vs. "Dave McClain replaced Greg Hall later that year." usually justifies using passive voice, but in context, this his ''first mention'' in the article and it disrupts the flow of the prose. In context: |
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== Deleted Page == |
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{{blockquote|text=Sacred Reich toured for nearly two years in support of The American Way, headlining major tours with Atrophy, Obituary, and Forced Entry. They also supported Venom in Europe and for Sepultura on their Arise tour in both Europe and North America. In 1991, the band released an EP, titled A Question. Former S.A. Slayer member Dave McClain replaced Greg Hall, who found their extensive touring to be difficult, later that year.}} |
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Hi, I created a page back in 2010 and have made occasional edits since. Last night I went to make an edit and noticed it has completely disappeared! Can anybody advise why and how to recover it? It is about the British actor James Merry. Thanks. [[User:Frankcable|Frankcable]] ([[User talk:Frankcable|talk]]) 08:04, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{u|Frankcable}} Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. [[James Merry (actor)]] was deleted a few weeks ago per the result of [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/James Merry (actor)]], a deletion discussion. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 08:10, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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Hi, can you advise how I can appeal and reinstate the article? <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Frankcable|Frankcable]] ([[User talk:Frankcable#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Frankcable|contribs]]) 08:23, 14 February 2021 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:{{u|Frankcable}} Please review, if you haven't already, the deletion discussion and reasons for the deletion. If you have new or previously unmentioned information to consider that addresses the reason for the deletion, you may offer it at [[WP:DRV|Deletion Review]]- but you may not use Deletion Review if you merely disagree with the outcome of the discussion. It seems that the article was deleted due to Merry not meeting the Wikipedia definition of [[WP:NACTOR|a notable actor]], as shown with significant coverage in independent [[WP:RS|reliable sources]]. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 08:32, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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I'm still not sure if it justifies using active voice or not. If it does, please let me know. On a side note, I've noticed an abundance of the phrase "later that year" in my writing, and I don't know how to rewrite it properly because of vague dates in the source material. If anyone can help me with that as well, ''please'' let me know so I can get rid of the repetition. Thanks for reading. —[[User: Sparkle & Fade|''Sparkle and Fade'']] <sup>[[User_talk:Sparkle & Fade|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Sparkle & Fade|edits]]</sub> 04:33, 21 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Foreign Language Links on English Wikipedia == |
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:I think it's clunky because of where you put 'later that year'. It reads much better if you put it first - Later that year former S.A. Slayer member Dave McClain replaced Greg Hall, who found the extensive touring difficult. I don't think you should worry too much about active vs passive voice. Despite what grammar checkers might tell you, there's no one right way to write. [[User:Blackballnz|Blackballnz]] ([[User talk:Blackballnz|talk]]) 06:29, 21 December 2024 (UTC) |
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I'd like to translate some pages into English-- should I try to find English language versions for the links/citations, or is it okay to re-link the same ones? |
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::Thanks for the tip, [[User:Blackballnz|Blackballnz]]. I appreciate the advice, it does actually seem more about the word placement than the voice construction, and I'll make sure to refactor the article to read better. Thanks, [[User: Sparkle & Fade|''Sparkle and Fade'']] <sup>[[User_talk:Sparkle & Fade|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Sparkle & Fade|edits]]</sub> 06:56, 21 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Thank you! [[User:CharlieCandide|CharlieCandide]] ([[User talk:CharlieCandide|talk]]) 09:13, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:::In my view, {{u|Sparkle & Fade}}, the active voice is almost always best for writing encyclopedia articles. We favor a direct, clear and concise style of writing. [https://writing.wisc.edu/handbook/ccs_activevoice/ Here] is a good explanation from the University of Wisconsin - Madison. [[Wikipedia:Writing better articles]] also offers a lot of good advice. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 07:50, 21 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{u|CharlieCandide}}, welcome to the Teahouse - please have a look at [[Wikipedia:Translate us]] and [[Wikipedia:Translation]], there you will find anything you need to know about how to translate. [[User:CommanderWaterford|CommanderWaterford]] ([[User talk:CommanderWaterford|talk]]) 12:54, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:::passive voice is best used when you have to avoid to ascribe an action to someone. Example: somebody was fired from the band. The reference uses passive voice, thereby avoiding to say who did it. Now you have a choice. Either search for a reference, that says who was firing or use passive voice too to avoid to say who did the firing. What you can't do is to figure out who ''could'' do the firings in general and then ascribe that firing to him in active voice! [[Special:Contributions/176.0.139.10|176.0.139.10]] ([[User talk:176.0.139.10|talk]]) 12:03, 21 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::When it matters (and you know) who took the action, use the active. When it's not important who was the actor, by all means use the passive. Grammarly and its friends express a prejudice against the passive which appeared in the early 20th C, often by writers who failed to follow their own injunction, and sometimes appeared unable to detect a passive accurately. See http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/%7Emyl/languagelog/archives/003380.html. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 15:33, 21 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:here's what every professor in college ever told me about writing expository, "use active voice!" It doesn't always sound good, but we aren't trying to be artistic or poetic with expository, we are trying to be clear and concise, and active voice is always the clearer choice. |
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:Also, if you move "later that year" to the beginning of the sentence as one contributor suggested, please put a comma after "year" as it is a prepositional phrase. I.e. Later that year, former S.A. Slayer member... BTW, I do agree with putting it at the beginning. It sounds better and makes the sentence clearer. [[User:Dougjaso|Dougjaso]] ([[User talk:Dougjaso|talk]]) 18:04, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:However, also note what our Manual of Style says in [[MOS:PASSIVE]]:{{blockquote| The passive voice is inappropriate for some forms of writing, but it is widely used in encyclopedia articles, because the passive voice avoids inappropriate first- and second-person constructions as well as tone problems. The most common uses of encyclopedic passive are to keep the focus on the subject instead of performing a news-style shift to dwelling on a non-notable party.}} [[User:CodeTalker|CodeTalker]] ([[User talk:CodeTalker|talk]]) 23:04, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== New editor needs some help. == |
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== Would like to Update Evangelos Frudakis Draft Article == |
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Hi there, I'm new. I wrote 2 drafts: 1 about an Internship Program which I found interested in, 1 is a course in social science field. I submitted 2 drafts and all rejected. |
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I began an article on Evangelos Frudakis and would like to complete it. It accidently got published while I was still working on it and the editors did not like it. I understand this as it was not complete. However, I think the article could still have value (if completed correctly) and I have additional research and resources. The artist is dead but is known for his sculptures in national parks and buildings. He is respected for his work, national and international awards, inclusion in art registries such as at the Smithsonian Art Museum, and education of other noted sculptors. When working on the article, I contacted the family to see if they had photos that could be used, and they said "yes." They mailed me a small check but I returned it to them as I do not want to have a conflict of interest. The editors said that I had to claim that I worked for him or I would be permanently banned from Wikipedia. So I claimed that I received a check and returned it. I have not worked for him ever, nor been paid by him, and he is dead. How do I clear this up? How can I complete the article and submit it? Is there someone I can work with to be certain I do everything correctly? Should I try to contact the sculptor's family and have them write to Wikipedia? They would like to contribute some photos and do not understand why you are claiming I worked for the sculptor. I think the confusion is that I did work for a sculptor by the name of Zenos Frudakis and have claimed that. I wonder if the editors are getting the two people confused. They are not the same artists. There are a number of sculptors with the last name of Frudakis. Please advise as I am trying to do the right thing. Thanks so much! [[User:Cher Skoubo|Cher Skoubo]] ([[User talk:Cher Skoubo|talk]]) 10:55, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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After editing few more things. I still don't know how to make references more reliable, or which content is the promoting material? |
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[[Draft:EvAngelos Frudakis]] exists, and as you have properly declared COI (not paid) on your User page, you are permitted to work directly on the draft. Be as complete as possible befoer submitting to AfC, because once accepted as an article, the advice to COI editors is to limit further action to requesting changes on the Talk page of the article. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 11:38, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{u|Cher Skoubo}}: Consider shortening that list and changing title to Selection of portrait busts. Each monument and bust needs a ref. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 18:45, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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Here is my 2 drafts: [[Draft:Madiad Internship Program|MIP]] and [[Draft:Vietnamese writing practice|Vietnamese writing practice]] [[User:Miyano25|Miyano25]] ([[User talk:Miyano25|talk]]) 08:15, 21 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{u|Miyano25}} Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Note that "rejected" has a specific meaning in the draft process, that a draft may not be resubmitted. Your drafts were "declined", meaning that they may be resubmitted. |
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==Excuse me== |
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:Wikipedia is not a place to just tell about something. A Wikipedia article summarizes what independent [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the topic, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of [[WP:N|notability]]- such as [[WP:ORG|a notable organization]]. Regarding MIP, you did a great job telling about the structure of the program and its offerings- but that's not what we're looking for(alone, at least). We're looking for a summary of what others say about the program. The same goes for the Vietnamese course. You can't "make references more reliable"- they either are, or they're not. Reliable sources are those which have a reputation of fact checking and editorial control- like reputable news outlets(just one example). [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 08:41, 21 December 2024 (UTC) |
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excuse me i was just using sarcasm as it calm the user at religion talk page i used a inverted quesauion mark <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/123.243.90.50|123.243.90.50]] ([[User talk:123.243.90.50#top|talk]]) 11:11, 14 February 2021 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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::Oh I see, thanks for explaining. Is it okay if I can summarize what other people say about the program but don't have a source to back it up, or have a source but it's not reliable to make it as a source? [[User:Miyano25|Miyano25]] ([[User talk:Miyano25|talk]]) 14:23, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:Your edits reverted and you got a level 1 warning. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 11:41, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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== Watchlist preferences and settings == |
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My watchlist continues to show categorization edits, despite checking <Hide categorization of pages> in my preferences. I've tried both the javascript and the non-javascript watchlists. The unwanted watchlist edits that do appear seem to all be made via either [[Wikipedia:HotCat|HotCat]] or [[mw:MediaWiki:Gadget-Cat-a-lot.js|Cat-a-lot]]. They aren't marked as minor edits, but I actually don't want to hide all minor edits. I have also selected the watchlist filter <Human (not bot)>, without luck; perhaps because they're merely semi-automated edits (as opposed to actual bots?). I have checked the tag to exclude all AWB edits, which does work for those. Does anyone have any thoughts? [[User:Scottyoak2|Scottyoak2]] ([[User talk:Scottyoak2|talk]]) 02:00, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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[[Hannah Elsy]] is a retired British rower, now a sports sponsorship consultant with the surname Burkitt (from [https://www.linkedin.com/in/hannah-burkitt-n%C3%A9e-elsy-bb27022b/ Hannah Burkitt (née Elsy)] |
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in LinkedIn). |
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:Are you speaking about the Watchlist for Wikipedia in English language ? <br /> <br /> |
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[[Hannah Elsy (Producer)]] is a theatrical producer based in London and active since 2014. I recently created the [[Hannah Elsy (Producer)]] page, and I have added notes at the top of each 'Hannah Elsy' page to link to the other. |
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:Can you make screenshots ? I can possibly help you with some screenshots but I can't guarantee I can help you with efficiency. [[User:Anatole-berthe|Anatole-berthe]] ([[User talk:Anatole-berthe|talk]]) 04:56, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::Thanks for your reply. The English Wikipedia, yes. I just was hoping that someone might already know how to filter out streams of edits made with [[Wikipedia:HotCat|HotCat]] or [[mw:MediaWiki:Gadget-Cat-a-lot.js|Cat-a-lot]] that sometimes flood my watchlist. If not, I can take a pair of pruning shears to my watchlist--an activity which might make a good [[New Year's resolution]]. [[User:Scottyoak2|Scottyoak2]] ([[User talk:Scottyoak2|talk]]) 14:25, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:Are you seeing edits to pages on you watchlist that happen to change the categories? Or is the category itself on your watchlist? Because I think the "Hide categorization of pages" setting only applies to categories you are watching. So if you uncheck that preference, and you add a category to your watchlist, you'll see any page that is ''added to or removed from that category'' show up in your watchlist. With the preference enabled, you won't see those changes, but you'd still see changes to the category itself, for example to the description. |
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:I'm not sure if there's an easy way to filter out category-change edits to pages you see watching, because those edits are fundamentally just regular edits. And they are usually not minor edits, because category changes can be quite controversial sometimes, especially around [[WP:BLP|BLP]]s or other [[WP:CTOP|contentious topics]]. --[[User:Rchard2scout|rchard2scout]] ([[User talk:Rchard2scout|talk]]) 03:12, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Technical question about the long hyphen == |
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The [[Hannah Elsy]] rower page is sparse and marked 'This biography of a living person needs additional citations for verification ...'. There is no page for Hannah Burkitt. |
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Hi! |
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Google searches for 'Hannah Elsy' currently mix bio details for Hannah Elsy (the rower) with photos of Hannah Elsy (the producer) and social media links for Hannah Elsy (the producer) in the knowledge panel at the top of search results. |
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I've been editing the timeline of Polermo where the long hyphen dominates, but I can't seem to generate one.Typing a regular hyphen, gives me just that - a regular hyphen, typing two hyphens gives me two hyphens (--) and trying to make one through the keboard shortcut which I found on internet forums (Alt+0151), just gives me one that's too long (—). So far I've been copying and pasting existing long hyphens which is kind of annoying, does anyone have any better solutions? |
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The current situation - the pages for [[Hannah Elsy]] and [[Hannah Elsy (Producer)]] have links to each other - works to a point but as the rower page looks moribund and the rower is now active with a different name, is there a better way forward? If so, what? |
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Thanks! [[User:Moonshane1933|Moonshane1933]] ([[User talk:Moonshane1933|talk]]) 14:38, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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If I were to move the rower Hannah Elsy to a new page, what would the best new name be? Hannah Burkitt? With birth_name=Elsy added in an infobox? (I would contact Hannah Burkitt first. I just want to be confident in what I suggest.) |
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:Hello, @[[User:Moonshane1933|Moonshane1933]]. I think you're talking about an em-dash. See [[MOS:EMDASH]] [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 14:52, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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If a move like that went ahead, would the original address https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannah_Elsy have to auto-redirect to the new page, or could it become a disambiguation page? Or could [[Hannah Elsy (Producer)]] be moved to it (as she is the only 'active' Hannah Elsy)? |
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::Yes! That's what I meant! Thank you! [[User:Moonshane1933|Moonshane1933]] ([[User talk:Moonshane1933|talk]]) 15:15, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:I don't think you could find a better character in '''"unicode table"'''. |
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:This "[[List of Unicode characters|article]]" is listing the most common characters. <br /> <br /> |
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:There are also the "[[Unicode block]]" entry on Wikipedia that can be maybe helpful. [[User:Anatole-berthe|Anatole-berthe]] ([[User talk:Anatole-berthe|talk]]) 14:54, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::Excellent. Thank you too! [[User:Moonshane1933|Moonshane1933]] ([[User talk:Moonshane1933|talk]]) 15:16, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::I don't think ressources I shared with you will help you but I hope it will. [[User:Anatole-berthe|Anatole-berthe]] ([[User talk:Anatole-berthe|talk]]) 15:45, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:Ignoring the [[Minus sign]], there are three 'horizontal line' characters most commonly used in text, the hyphen, the [[N-dash]] and the [[M-dash]]. There are various ways to insert the latter two; usually I do so with [alt]+0150 and [alt]+0151. Despite being a former professional book editor, I have not previously encountered a "long hyphen" (a term not found anywhere in Wikipedia). Note that the lengths of all these characters may look different in different typefaces: I suspect your "long hyphen" is an N-dash. [Apologies for semi-overlap with answers above.] {The poster formerly known as 897.81.230.195} [[Special:Contributions/94.1.223.204|94.1.223.204]] ([[User talk:94.1.223.204|talk]]) 17:00, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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I know I have asked several questions. Thanks for your patience, and thanks in advance for any advice. [[User:Grantem2000|Grantem2000]] ([[User talk:Grantem2000|talk]]) 12:16, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::@[[User:Moonshane1933|Moonshane1933]] If you use the source editor, which you can do even if you mainly edit with the visual editor, you'll find that the N-dash and M-dash appear at the foot of the editing window, where you can click on them to insert them into text. Other useful tags like <nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki> are also available with a single click. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 14:11, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:Hi, [[User:Grantem2000|Grantem2000]]. I'd honestly leave them where they are. The rower appears [[WP:MAIDEN|better known]] by her maiden name, and is arguably the [[WP:PRIMARYTOPIC|primary topic]] compared to the producer, whose notability is debatable at best. Regards, [[User:Zindor|Zindor]] ([[User talk:Zindor|talk]]) 14:00, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::{{reply to|Zindor}} Many thanks. In the meantime the page for the producer has been moved back to draft. Should it be published again I will follow your advice and just leave the 2 pages with links to each other. Regards, [[User:Grantem2000|Grantem2000]] ([[User talk:Grantem2000|talk]]) 17:15, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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== This may be the wrong place to mention this == |
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:Given that [[Draft:Hannah_Elsy_(Producer)]] is draft, will be draft for some time, and may never be published, what options are there to clarify that [[Hannah Elsy]], who retired from rowing in 2008, is not Hannah Elsy, the active theatrical producer? What would be allowable on the page for [[Hannah Elsy]] the rower to cover this? Regards, [[User:Grantem2000|Grantem2000]] ([[User talk:Grantem2000|talk]]) 11:44, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:: You could add the [[:WP:HATNOTE]] template {{tl|About}} or {{tl|Distinguish}} to the top of the article if you believe there's a real concern that some readers might mix the two Elsy's up. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 11:52, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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On the page [[User:Lowercase sigmabot III|Lowercase Sigmabot |||]], there is a infobox; in that infobox lies an image of a supposed “plane” labeled “Lowercase sigmabot ||| archiving a discussion” or something like that. Is this a joke by the moderators of Wikipedia? [[User:Selectortopic|Selectortopic]] ([[User talk:Selectortopic|talk]]) 16:06, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Editing page Henk Borgdorff == |
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:This is not an article but an Userpage. Humor is allowed on this kind of page. |
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Hi, |
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:If you click on my nickname. You could read my page. [[User:Anatole-berthe|Anatole-berthe]] ([[User talk:Anatole-berthe|talk]]) 16:17, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:No, @[[User:Selectortopic|Selectortopic]], it's a joke by whoever edited that page (actually the user, @[[User:Lowercase sigmabot III|Lowercase sigmabot III]]). We don't have moderators, and admins have no role in the content of articles (though the users who are admins may have, but not in their admin role) [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 16:18, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|Selectortopic}} It's a humorous remark added by the bot operator [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:Lowercase_sigmabot_III&diff=prev&oldid=579065121] who is not an administrator. Many bot operators are normal users. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 16:56, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::Someone know how to create a bot for a repetitive task ? [[User:Anatole-berthe|Anatole-berthe]] ([[User talk:Anatole-berthe|talk]]) 17:01, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::@[[User:Anatole-berthe|Anatole-berthe]] See [[WP:BOTR]] page where you can make a request. There may already be a bot to do what you want and you need to explain in detail what you want and why. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 17:38, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::::Thanks ! [[User:Anatole-berthe|Anatole-berthe]] ([[User talk:Anatole-berthe|talk]]) 20:59, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== How can i improve my page? == |
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I have edited my page Henk Borgdorff, following the instructions I received: adding a statement of CoI, and adding references to external resources: ORCID-iD and Google Scholar. Do I now answer the objects made to my draft page: Henk Borgdorff ? |
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I'm actually working on the wikipedia page [[Villa Fraccaroli]] for a university project, i need to improve the page to be categorized as B before the 31 of december to get a good mark (it's actually start class), it is really difficult to find some good and reliable sources. |
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Kind regards, |
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Thank you in advance! [[User:Liucmicol01|Liucmicol01]] ([[User talk:Liucmicol01|talk]]) 17:35, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Henk Borgdorff |
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[[User:Henk Borgdorff|Henk Borgdorff]] ([[User talk:Henk Borgdorff|talk]]) 12:57, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:[[Draft:Henk Borgdorff]] Declined twice in one day. Still no references. Listing articles and books written by Borgdorff does not count as references ABOUT Borgdorff. Putting stuff in External links does not count at references. Do not resubmit until you understand reference requirements and methods for creating same. COI statement belongs on your User page ("I wrote [[Draft:Henk Borgdorff]] about myself.") [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 18:35, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:I think it is not realistic to expect this page be categorized B before the 31 of december. <br /> [[User:Anatole-berthe|Anatole-berthe]] ([[User talk:Anatole-berthe|talk]]) 17:41, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Sensitivity to Aboriginal people in new article == |
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{{courtesy link|Draft:Caroline Le Souef}} |
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:{{u|Liucmicol01}}, the lead (opening section) of an article should summarise the body of the article. As faar as I can tell, the second paragraph of [[Villa Fraccaroli]] does not relate to anything in the body of the article. [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] ([[User talk:Maproom|talk]]) 18:12, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Hi there - I am writing an article about a lady's grave I found at the cemetery today - an artist that depicted Australian Aboriginal life in the nineteenth century. While it doesn't look like her role was particularly controversial, I wondered if there are protocols about writing articles around this sort of subject? For example her use of terms that are not appropriate now etc. Thank you [[User:Very neant|Very neant]] ([[User talk:Very neant|talk]]) 13:10, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:That seems like an unreasonable expectation, as the assessment depends on someone else doing the assessing, and Wikipedia has no deadlines. If your prof -- {{u|Limelightangel}}, it looks like? -- wants to do the assessments, they can, but it's not really reasonable to expect assessments to be done by others. [[User:Valereee|Valereee]] ([[User talk:Valereee|talk]]) 18:12, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:Hello, @[[User:Liucmicol01|Liucmicol01]]. As you were told [[#DRAFT PAGE UNIVERSITY PROJECT|two days ago]], there is no way to guarantee that the article will get any particular rating by a particlar date, and few editors are much concerned with [[WP:rating|rating]]s anyway. But since you are concerned with ratings, you would do best to ask at the talk page of one of the Wikiprojects related to the article. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 18:15, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::@[[User:Liucmicol01|Liucmicol01]] .... or just assign a "B" yourself and hope that your instructor doesn't notice who did that edit ;-) [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 18:28, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Although as MDT pointed out, you could yourself change the rating from C-class to B-class, don't. The article does not qualify. From just a quick look at some of the content and references, the refs do not always verify the content. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 13:41, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Search suggestions have changed for the worse == |
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== Shalev Alon == |
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Hello |
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I will be happy to know ahy my article about Shalev Alon was declined |
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Thank you very much! [[User:S.A Mixing|S.A Mixing]] ([[User talk:S.A Mixing|talk]]) 13:34, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{u|S.A. Mixing}} Hello. You asked this at the AFC help desk; please only use one method of seeking assistance to avoid duplication of effort. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 13:37, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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I have always been able to count on Wikipedia's search function to provide me with a list of articles connected with the term entered in the search field. Today, however, I'm not getting these, but rather only short and apparently arbitrary lists of articles that I've viewed or edited. When I type "A", for example, I get: |
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== Moving Draft to mainspace where there is a redirect == |
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ajedrez<br> |
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Not sure what to do here. I've made [[Draft:Feiseen]] and it seems okay to move to mainspace at the moment (although it could still be improved) however there is a redirect currently at [[Feiseen]]. How would I move this? I don't think [[WP:RM]] is the correct place to ask this? [[User:FozzieHey|FozzieHey]] ([[User talk:FozzieHey|talk]]) 13:49, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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Angelou<br> |
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:Edit the redirect page and place your text there. [[User:Abdul Muhsy|<span style="color: darkgreen">- Abdul Muhsy</span>]] [[User talk:Abdul Muhsy|<span style="color: maroon">talk</span>]] 14:14, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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Alvin Bragg<br> |
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:Hi, [[User:FozzieHey|FozzieHey]], you'll find the answer at [[WP:MOR]] and [[WP:UPT]]. Whatever you do, don't copy-paste it. [[User:Zindor|Zindor]] ([[User talk:Zindor|talk]]) 14:21, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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Abbot and Costello<br> |
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::{{ping|Zindor}} This doesn't seem to have any information about moving a Draft into mainspace where there is a redirect. [[WP:RM]] specifically says you shouldn't use it for "Moves from draft namespace or user space" too. [[User:FozzieHey|FozzieHey]] ([[User talk:FozzieHey|talk]]) 14:27, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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Athena<br> |
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::{{ping|Zindor}} What is the specific problem with copy-pasting the content? Thanks[[User:Abdul Muhsy|<span style="color: darkgreen">- Abdul Muhsy</span>]] [[User talk:Abdul Muhsy|<span style="color: maroon">talk</span>]] 14:30, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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Ari |
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:::{{ping|Abdul Muhsy}} Replacing content will not move page histories or the talk page. Yes, you could then copy the talk page in and request a merge of histories but surely there's an easier way to achieve this? [[User:FozzieHey|FozzieHey]] ([[User talk:FozzieHey|talk]]) 14:34, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:::::{{ping|Zindor}}The concerned article is currently a draft, of which there obviously there is only editor till now. So I don't see the problem regarding page history. The easiest way is to simply edit {{No redirect|Feiseen}} and replace #REDIRECT [[Water speed record]] with the text in the draft.[[User:Abdul Muhsy|<span style="color: darkgreen">- Abdul Muhsy</span>]] [[User talk:Abdul Muhsy|<span style="color: maroon">talk</span>]] 14:39, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::::::While technically you're right {{u|Abdul Muhsy}}, recommending copy-paste to users at the Teahouse isn't a good idea. They could later apply the same method to a different draft, or an article, and it causes problems. Or another user with a similar question reads the responses here and thinks that copy-paste is a good idea. |
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::::::[[User:FozzieHey|FozzieHey]], I can't see a problem with you moving your draft. Id have done it for you but I'm not versed on notability of water vessels, so couldn't back up my decision. Regards, [[User:Zindor|Zindor]] ([[User talk:Zindor|talk]]) 15:02, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:::::::{{ping|Zindor}} That's fine, I've requested it at [[WP:RM]] for now, if that's not the right place to ask then hopefully they can direct me to the correct place! [[User:FozzieHey|FozzieHey]] ([[User talk:FozzieHey|talk]]) 15:56, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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When I add a "b" to this, the list becomes: |
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== How to upload photo == |
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Abbot and Costello<br> |
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The photo at the top right of the entry on Pietro Aretino states that it is Titian's first portrait of Aretino. In fact, it is not by Titian and it is not of Aretino. How do I replace it with the correct photo? [[User:Maurice Magnus|Maurice Magnus]] ([[User talk:Maurice Magnus|talk]]) 14:05, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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Abe Fortas |
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When I add an "r", I get nothing, no Abrahams or anything else. |
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Actually, instead of telling me how to do it, would someone else do it? The correct photo is at the top of the article linked to in note 9 of the Pietro Aretino entry. |
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:It says otherwise [https://nga.gov.au/theitalians/detail.cfm?IRN=161154&ViewID=2 here]. Whatever be the truth, at any rate, I suggest that you raise your concern at the [[Talk:Pietro_Aretino|article's talk page]]. [[User:Abdul Muhsy|<span style="color: darkgreen">- Abdul Muhsy</span>]] [[User talk:Abdul Muhsy|<span style="color: maroon">talk</span>]] 14:19, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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And so on. This is a purely arbitrary example, but I hope it serves to illustrate. What I would always get before would be a list of a dozen or so articles, which was limited but very often helpful. I checked my preferences but all I saw was "Disable the suggestions dropdown-lists of the search fields", which was unchecked as always. Any info or advice on this would be very welcome, thanks. [[User:Bret Sterling|Bret Sterling]] ([[User talk:Bret Sterling|talk]]) 17:36, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Thank you; I will. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Maurice Magnus|Maurice Magnus]] ([[User talk:Maurice Magnus#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Maurice Magnus|contribs]]) 14:26, 14 February 2021 (UTC)</span> |
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:I personally always use advanced search, but you can try google with the modifier site:en.wikipedia.org to force it to only search wikipedia (or just type "wikipedia" before your search query) [[User:Cmrc23|<span style="text-shadow: -1px -1px 2px #fee6b8, 1px -1px 2px #fedd63, -1px 1px 2px #d56300, 1px 1px 2px #623804; color: #4a2a02;">'''Cmrc23''' ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ</span>]] 17:43, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Guideline for how long to let a Talk page proposal/!vote run? == |
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:@[[User:Bret Sterling|Bret Sterling]] Are you using the current default [[WP:VECTOR22]] skin? I find that its search box is better than for other, older, skins and the results for "Abr" are perfectly sensible, with the first suggestion being [[Abr]]. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 18:35, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::Thanks for these suggestions, {{u|Cmrc23}} and {{u|Michael D. Turnbull}}. The Advanced search option does provide me with many good finds and I should have been using it previously, but Content pages gives me results like I used to get directly under the search text field only more of them. I checked my WP skin and saw I was using the current default but still not getting the suggestions, so then I could figure it was something on my end and checked to see if I had "Block scripts" activated in Brave Shields. I saw that I did, deactivated it and now I'm getting the suggestions as before. Sorry, false alarm, this wasn't a Wikipedia change as I wrongly suspected. It's interesting that I could get suggestions on pages I've frequented by turning "Block scripts" back on, and I'm curious as to how that works – I mean the apparently default behavior without whatever the script is. [[User:Bret Sterling|Bret Sterling]] ([[User talk:Bret Sterling|talk]]) 19:32, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::But wait a minute. Now I'm not getting the alternative search options (Content pages, Multimedia, Everything, Advanced). Claude AI tells me to type "Special:Search" in the search box to access these and this works, but I had them there just now today without doing this. (I couldn't have done it because I was unaware of the possibility.) So how did I have those options for a while but then didn't have them afterwards? And (what may be the same question) how do I get them without having to type "Special:Search" in the search box? I can do that, but it seems clunky and I have to remember the text to type it. [[User:Bret Sterling|Bret Sterling]] ([[User talk:Bret Sterling|talk]]) 19:49, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::There a variety of userscripts to enhance the search function: [[Wikipedia:User_scripts/List#Search_form]] [[User:Cmrc23|<span style="text-shadow: -1px -1px 2px #fee6b8, 1px -1px 2px #fedd63, -1px 1px 2px #d56300, 1px 1px 2px #623804; color: #4a2a02;">'''Cmrc23''' ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ</span>]] 10:34, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::::@[[User:Bret Sterling|Bret Sterling]] I assume that by turning on "Block scripts" Brave Shields is preventing [[Javascript]] from running in your browser. The problem is that, as [[WP:JAVASCRIPT]] explains, Java is a core part of how much of Wikipedia works, both the standard Mediawiki software and many optional extras like gadgets and userscripts. So, if you are prevernting that running, you are sacrificing functionality for security. Is there an option in Brave Shields to exempt the Wikipedia domain from the block? [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 11:03, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Wikipedia Timezone == |
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Hi. Is there any guideline or essay for how long to let a Talk page proposal/!vote run? Thought I'd seen that somewhere before, but not finding it in several searches today. For example, I don't see it here: [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines]]. Cheers. [[User:N2e|N2e]] ([[User talk:N2e|talk]]) 14:57, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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Out of sheer curiosity, what Time zone does Wikipedia operate under? I'm in the Pacific Standard time zone, and the Did You Know... and On This Day... update at around 4:00pm every day. [[User:Shovel Shenanigans|Shovel Shenanigans]] ([[User talk:Shovel Shenanigans|talk]]) 18:36, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== I am prospectively here. == |
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:@[[User:Shovel Shenanigans|Shovel Shenanigans]] WP operates under [[UTC]] but you can change the defaults you see in your preferences. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 18:37, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::@[[User:Shovel Shenanigans|Shovel Shenanigans]] If you need help to change this in your preference. I can help. [[User:Anatole-berthe|Anatole-berthe]] ([[User talk:Anatole-berthe|talk]]) 18:39, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::@[[User:Anatole-berthe|Anatole-berthe]] That's okay, thank you! Honestly, the daily change at 4:00 helps me stick to my schedule. Since I almost always have Wikipedia open, I know it's time to take a break from my other computer-related work when the DYK and OTD changes. |
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:::@[[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Michael D. Turnbull]] Thanks for the quick reply, and my curiosity has been sated :) [[User:Shovel Shenanigans|Shovel Shenanigans]] ([[User talk:Shovel Shenanigans|talk]]) 20:09, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::That's wonderful ! [[User:Anatole-berthe|Anatole-berthe]] ([[User talk:Anatole-berthe|talk]]) 20:31, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Papiermark and other money from Weimar Germany == |
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:Hi {{u|BiliousBob}}. Wikipedia is not really a discussion forum, but you are welcome to ask questions about Wikipedia here or suggest improvements to articles on the article talk pages.--[[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]]|[[User talk:Shantavira|<sup>feed me</sup>]] 18:25, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|BiliousBob}} Another place for discussions is [[Wikipedia:IRC]]. [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 19:58, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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Hi, I inherited some German banknotes from between 1908 and 1923 and I was wondering wether I could upload scans of them to Wikimedia. I scanned them in out of personal interest and then thought they might be useful. |
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== General Collective Intelligence == |
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My main question is about copyright, as in, do I have to ask someone for permission and if so who? But also whether I should digitally sharpen them and how do I properly sort them in? I'm quite new to this and any help is appreciated! The scans are at 1200dpi and saved as 98% JPEGs, with filesizes between 5 and 20MB. |
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I'm reaching out to get feedback on the draft of a new page for "General Collective Intelligence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:General_Collective_Intelligence |
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I already skimmed over [[WP:IUP]] but couldn't find anything related to money or bank notes and I read the copyright data of [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:GDR-1-Soviet_Germany-1_Deutsche_Mark_(1948).jpg this scan] but I'm unsure if this also applies to my case. [[User:Skylar Mlem|Skylar Mlem]] ([[User talk:Skylar Mlem#top|talk]]) 18:46, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:Hello, do you know who made the designs for the original banknotes? You might want to review the copyright information for this file: [[:File:Banknote - Sächsische Bank zu Dresden - 100 Mark - 1911.jpg]] [[User:Cmrc23|<span style="text-shadow: -1px -1px 2px #fee6b8, 1px -1px 2px #fedd63, -1px 1px 2px #d56300, 1px 1px 2px #623804; color: #4a2a02;">'''Cmrc23''' ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ</span>]] 19:39, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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An editor who reviewed the draft said that the page on "General Collective Intelligence" should be merged into the page on "Collective Intelligence". I disagreed, stating that General Collective Intelligence (GCI) as a platform is to Artificial General Intelligence what Collective Intelligence is to Artificial Intelligence. In other words GCI describes a technology with "general problem-solving ability". While groups might have some innate general problem-solving ability described by a general collective intelligence factor (c), any collective intelligence solution used as a decision-making platform by groups has narrow problem-solving ability where it is not able to address any problem in general. My argument is that if the analogy between AGI and GCI is valid, then if AGI and AI have separate wikipedia pages, GCI and CI should have separate wikipedia pages as well. The editor requested that I get consensus from editors of the Collective Intelligence page. I reached out to a number of editors but the only response I got was from an editor who said they didn't know anything about the subject and only edited the page for grammar. I'm looking for next steps. [[User:CognitiveMMA|CognitiveMMA]] ([[User talk:CognitiveMMA|talk]]) 15:16, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:Hello, @[[User:Skylar Mlem|Skylar Mlem]]. The best place to ask about this sort of question is [[WP:MCQ]]. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 19:48, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:You should post your concern on the [[Talk:Collective_intelligence|Collective Intelligence talk page]]. Further, in case no one responds there, or there is an insufficient discussion, you could request a comment from the general wikipedia community using [[WP:RFC]]. [[User:Abdul Muhsy|<span style="color: darkgreen">- Abdul Muhsy</span>]] [[User talk:Abdul Muhsy|<span style="color: maroon">talk</span>]] 15:27, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:: {{u|Skylar Mlem}} Another place, possibly better?, is at [[Wikipedia Commons]] where you will upload your images, and ultimately will have to defend copyright status. The help center for copyright issues at Commons is at [[c:Commons:Village pump/Copyright]]. You might find this old, archived Commons discussion on the copyright status of {{slink|c:Commons:Village pump/Copyright/Archive/2012/07|German currency|nopage=yes}} interesting as well. [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 06:08, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== How do I welcome a new user? == |
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== Being unintentionally logged out == |
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I noticed a new user that hasn't been welcomed yet. I've seen the templates used on other talk pages; should I just copy paste the source and adapt, or is there a welcome button I can use instead? [[User:guninvalid|guninvalid]] ([[User_Talk:guninvalid|talk]]) 22:13, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Hi, I don't know if anyone else has been having this issue, but the past two days when a sign into Wikipedia, and then I hit backspace to an article I was reading before I signed in, I am automatically signed out. It's never happened to me before and I don't know if it is something with the settings on my computer or something along those lines. I have recently been editing both on my phone and my computer, which may have some role to play. Thank you in advance! [[User:Inter&anthro|Inter&anthro]] ([[User talk:Inter&anthro|talk]]) 16:36, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:Hi @[[User:Guninvalid|Guninvalid]]. There are a number of [[:Category:Welcome templates|welcome templates]] to choose from. Also, if you enable [[WP:TWINKLE]], it has a dropdown menu that lets you select the welcome message that you want to leave on a user talk page, much easier that way. (Twinkle has a bunch of other really useful functions as well.) Hope that helps. [[User:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#066293;">'''Schazjmd'''</span>]] [[User talk:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#738276;">''(talk)''</span>]] 22:25, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:@[[User:Guninvalid|Guninvalid]] this might be of use to you, [[Wikipedia:Welcoming committee]] [[User:Knitsey|<span style="color:DarkMagenta">Knitsey</span>]] ([[User talk:Knitsey|<span style="color: maroon">talk</span>]]) 22:33, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::Doesn't matter anymore, the user I wanted to welcome got blocked by the checkuser. I only wanted to welcome them because I posted them on WP:AN and I noticed they had never been welcomed. [[User:guninvalid|guninvalid]] ([[User_Talk:guninvalid|talk]]) 22:54, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Mystery Dungeon additional info == |
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:Hi {{u|Inter&anthro}}. Normally if you hit the back button you will see the page as it was when you last looked at it. It will not be updated with your login unless you refresh the page, eg by hitting f5. Hope this helps.--[[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]]|[[User talk:Shantavira|<sup>feed me</sup>]] 17:05, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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Hey I just noticed that the mystery dungeon series is missing an entry and I wasnt sure where to ask to add it, this just seemed like the closest thing to an editor contact place. The entry in question is "Chocobo's Mystery Dungeon Every Buddy!" , released back in 2019 [[Special:Contributions/176.6.56.156|176.6.56.156]] ([[User talk:176.6.56.156|talk]]) 02:51, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== More Facilities in Wikipedia == |
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:The article "[[Chocobo (series)|''Chocobo'' (series)]]" is not at all long; adequately referenced material about individual items in the series could be added to this article. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 04:10, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== I have a edited page when I was not logged in,now I am logged in,how do I get it back? == |
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Can't you guys do some thing about the reading list? I think it will be better if the reading lists have the update of making another co- reading list in a reading list.Can you guys updae wikipedia with this facilities????????? [[Special:Contributions/103.124.52.4|103.124.52.4]] ([[User talk:103.124.52.4|talk]]) 16:39, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:Could you please explain what you mean by "the reading list"? [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 20:00, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::{{u|GoingBatty}}, I'm going to assume that the IP editor means the reading lists that the mobile Wikipedia app offers, {{small|which I know almost nothing about}}. —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu 🐲</span>]] ( [[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]] ) 20:02, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:::{{ping|Tenryuu}} Thanks! The IP poster could go to [[List of Wikipedia mobile applications]] to determine the correct place to post their suggestion. [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 20:15, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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How,how do I get it back? [[Special:Contributions/219.78.249.54|219.78.249.54]] ([[User talk:219.78.249.54|talk]]) 04:24, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:This is a page for help with using and editing Wikipedia: hardly anybody here has anything at all to do with developing the software, so no "you guys" can't do anything about that. The general place to ask about the software is the [[WP:VPT|technical section of the Village Pump]] it has been asked there several times, such as [[WP:Village pump (technical)/Archive 161#Add Reading List to the Desktop]], which in turn contains links to where it has been discussed in the Mediawiki software wiki, and to a related feature request for the software. --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 23:48, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:You were not logged in when you made this post. When you are correctly logged in, you can edit your userpage to reflect articles that you have worked on as an IP editor. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 07:07, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::And to find the pages you edited, look for your contributions: [[Special:Contributions/--Your-username--]]. eg [[Special:Contributions/219.78.249.54]] shows editing [[Residence Oasis]], but Sumanuil reverted all the edits. [[User:Graeme Bartlett|Graeme Bartlett]] ([[User talk:Graeme Bartlett|talk]]) 08:51, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Moving my English Wikipedia user page to media wiki for a global user page == |
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== Adding an interactive map == |
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I can move [[User:Anthony2106|my English user page]] to media wiki to have a global page for all sister projects? I know I can just ask to delete my English page and make a media wiki one but I kinda wanna move it for the edit history. If I can't move it to media wiki ill just move it to User:Anthony2106/old user page [[User:Anthony2106|Anthony2106]] ([[User talk:Anthony2106|talk]]) 04:55, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Hi Teahouse. I'd like to add an interactive map to an article, like the one in the infobox of the [[Manhattan]] article. Can someone offer some pointers or direct me to a how-to? Many thanks! [[User:Kdorse|Kdorse]] ([[User talk:Kdorse|talk]]) 16:42, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:What you are asking for {{yo|Anthony2106}} is an [[WP:import|import]]. You would have to find an administrator on meta, but even so may not be actionable. Instead I would advise you just to create a new page yourself on meta, as you will find that many templates are unavailable there. [[User:Graeme Bartlett|Graeme Bartlett]] ([[User talk:Graeme Bartlett|talk]]) 08:46, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|Kdorse}} The map in the Manhattan infobox uses [[Template:Maplink]] and (I believe) an OpenStreetMap polygon, but I'm not familiar with the procedure for creating such a map. If no one helps you here, you can probably find assistance from someone at [[Module talk:Mapframe]] or at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Geographical coordinates]]. [[User:Deor|Deor]] ([[User talk:Deor|talk]]) 17:52, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::You saying they will only import important things -- not user pages? Also i'm not worried about the templates as I can use {{:w to get wikipedia templates. [[User:Anthony2106|Anthony2106]] ([[User talk:Anthony2106|talk]]) 08:58, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::On this topic, I was wondering if making an account on english wikipedia counts as a global account for wikipedia purposes [[User:Cmrc23|<span style="text-shadow: -1px -1px 2px #fee6b8, 1px -1px 2px #fedd63, -1px 1px 2px #d56300, 1px 1px 2px #623804; color: #4a2a02;">'''Cmrc23''' ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ</span>]] 10:24, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::@[[User:Cmrc23|Cmrc23]] Did you created your account on '''"Wikipedia in English language"''' as first account for projects of Wikimedia ? <br /> <br /> |
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:::If you go on any Wikipedia language version or another Wikimedia project. If you click on '''"login" '''you can log into it. |
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:::I created my account on '''"French Wikipedia"''' as first account for projects of Wikimedia. <br /> <br /> |
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:::I can create accounts with the stuff I explained. [[User:Anatole-berthe|Anatole-berthe]] ([[User talk:Anatole-berthe|talk]]) 11:03, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::So there are not enough [[Wikipedia:Userbox|userboxes]] on meta-wiki and that trick {{w: didn't work so maybe ill just leave it on Wikipedia. [[User:Anthony2106|Anthony2106]] ([[User talk:Anthony2106|talk]]) 06:23, 25 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Problematic BLP and stubifying == |
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:In this case its linked through Wikidata (i am not an expert on this, i was intrigued by your question and tried to figure it out): The [[Manhattan]] article corresponds to this [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:EntityPage/Q11299 Wikidata Item] and the [https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/8398124 OSM polygon of Manhattan] has a Wikidata-tag with that items ID (Q11299 - see https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:OpenStreetMap how thats supposed to work). With this setup creating the map in the article is done by just adding <code><nowiki>{{Maplink|type=shape}}</nowiki></code> to the article. But I guess it really depends what map you want to add and how much data is already there. If you want to create a custom map, it's probably much more involved. --[[User:Smurftrooper|Smurftrooper]] ([[User talk:Smurftrooper|talk]]) 20:05, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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I've come across a [[WP:BLP|BLP]], [[Clifford M. Sobel]], which seems to be highly problematic. There is a high amount of unsourced information and likely [[WP:OR|original research]], and also substantial edits from a user named "SOBEL1" who I'm 90% sure has a [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]] or is a [[WP:UPE|UPE]]. Digging through the revision history, there doesn't seem to be much salvageable revisions/info to revert to, and I'm considering [[WP:STUBIFY|stubifying]] it. However, I have concerns regarding if I should do it or not. Should I try and seek consensus to do it, if so where? Should I contact [[WP:VRT|VRT]]? If anyone can give me an answer on this, it'd be appreciated. —[[User: Sparkle & Fade|''Sparkle and Fade'']] <sup>[[User_talk:Sparkle & Fade|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Sparkle & Fade|edits]]</sub> 06:14, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|smurftrooper}} Thank you! I'm understanding this better and feel like I might be getting there. Fortunately, someone has already created the OpenStreet map I need. It is here: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4227581#map=10/46.1760/-83.8683. It's listed as OpenStreetMap relation ID 4227581 in wikidata item Q6638058. I just don't know how to make the connections to have it show up on the related wikipedia article. [[User:Kdorse|Kdorse]] ([[User talk:Kdorse|talk]]) 13:37, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:Thank you for the question, @[[User:Sparkle & Fade|Sparkle & Fade]]. Per [[WP:BLPRS]] (specifically: {{tq|'''contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced should be removed immediately and without discussion'''}} <small>emphasis not mine</small>), you should be free to remove such poorly sourced content since you're challenging it. Unless you're successful in finding good sources of course. [[User:Tarlby|<span style="color:cyan;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">''Tarl''</span><span style="color:orange;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">''by''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Tarlby|''t'']]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tarlby|''c'']])</sup> 06:43, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== 2024 events == |
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::{{ping|Kdorse}} Ok, great, so i guess all the connections are already there. You now only have to insert the template in [[St. Joseph Island (Ontario)]]. I don't know how you want to present the map, but if you just add for example <code><nowiki>{{Maplink|frame=yes|plain=yes|frame-width=325|frame-height=250|frame-align=center|type=shape|fill=#ffffff|fill-opacity=0|stroke-width=3}}</nowiki></code> to the article, it will display the map. You may want to have a look at the Manhattan source how they have done it within the infobox (search for "<code>image_map</code>") there. Also have a look at the documentation of the template if you want to tune the optics. Cheers --[[User:Smurftrooper|Smurftrooper]] <small>''[[User talk:Smurftrooper|sup?]]''</small> 17:16, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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What local incidents around the world, like the [[2024 Magdeburg car attack]] are allowed to be mentioned in the events section of the [[2024]] year article. [[User:Marksaeed2024|Marksaeed2024]] ([[User talk:Marksaeed2024|talk]]) 06:36, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::: Well, i just saw you already tried to insert the map in the infobox. I do not know whats going on there, maybe the infobox on that page works different than the one on [[Manhattan]]? {{s|It has something to do with it, because once you insert the Maplink-Template in the article body, it works.}} <small>Not even sure about that anymore.</small> Don't know, sorry :( --[[User:Smurftrooper|Smurftrooper]] <small>''[[User talk:Smurftrooper|sup?]]''</small> 17:43, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:Hello, {{u|Marksaeed2024}}. In my view, this tragic attack which has been the subject of significant coverage worldwide, ought to qualify. But potentially gigantic list articles such as year articles need to be restricted somewhat by consensus among editors interested in year articles, especially the current year. So, feel free to make a bold edit, but if you are reverted, [[Talk:2024]] is the place to make your thoughtful case. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 07:16, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== wtf? == |
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::: Hmm, in preview it works, but not once you publish it. This feels like a bug, probably best to ask someone at [[Module talk:Mapframe]]. Again, sorry --[[User:Smurftrooper|Smurftrooper]] <small>''[[User talk:Smurftrooper|sup?]]''</small> 18:14, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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since the fuck when is "black people" a "radical" term????? so is "white people" also considered radical? i am very curious to know.. seems pretty fucking retarded..... [[Special:Contributions/68.142.49.124|68.142.49.124]] ([[User talk:68.142.49.124|talk]]) 08:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Current events == |
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:Where did you see it being called radical? <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace">'''<nowiki>'''[[</nowiki>[[User:CanonNi]]<nowiki>]]'''</nowiki>'''</span> ([[User talk:CanonNi|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CanonNi|contribs]])</span> 08:13, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:Can we watch the vulgar language here? We try to be friendly and civil on this page. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 08:53, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:If you look at [[Black people]] it says "racialized classification", not "radical" [[User:Graeme Bartlett|Graeme Bartlett]] ([[User talk:Graeme Bartlett|talk]]) 10:04, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== New page for author == |
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Yes, I was just wondering why does Wikipedia's highly detailed day by day current events portal only go back to [[Portal:Current events/July 1994|July 1994]]? [[Special:Contributions/47.150.227.254|47.150.227.254]] ([[User talk:47.150.227.254|talk]]) 17:30, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:Because no one has created older pages yet. Maybe that's an area where you would like to contribute. Happy editing! [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 20:05, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::[[Wikipedia]] was founded in 2001 so 1994 was never actually current events here, and it isn't that detailed. Compare for example [[Portal:Current events/July 1994|July 1994]] to [[Portal:Current events/July 2020|July 2020]]. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 23:07, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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== I'm drafting my first article in User:Paranoid Numanoid:sandbox:Rev Charles Swainson, M.A. == |
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* Link: [[User:Paranoid Numanoid/sandbox/Rev. Charles Swainson, M.A.]] |
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Any guidance or comments please? I'm trying to demonstrate how notable his work and legacy are, and I'm linking all quotes and statements to good books (reliable verifiable sources) and I hope I'm doing an ok job so far!! How is it looking to your trained eyes? I'm only halfway through editing my first draft but there are one or two things I will need to ask about later...any feedback welcome. [[User:Paranoid Numanoid|Paranoid Numanoid]] ([[User talk:Paranoid Numanoid|talk]]) 21:41, 14 February 2021 (UTC) [[User:Paranoid Numanoid|Paranoid Numanoid]] ([[User talk:Paranoid Numanoid|talk]]) 21:41, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:Delete the Parents section and other stuff that is not about him. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 22:48, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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i am a published author quoted on two Wikipedia pages . I would like to create a page about myself. It looks complicated and I need some help. This is my basic text: |
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:Agree with the above, but well done. It is already better than some articles already on wikipedia! --[[User:Bduke|Bduke]] ([[User talk:Bduke|talk]]) 22:53, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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Sarah Bax Horton is a British author of true crime and historical biography. Her first two books, One-armed Jack: Uncovering the Real Jack the Ripper (Michael O’Mara Books, 2023) and Arm of Eve: investigating the Thames Torso Murders were inspired by her great-great grandfather who worked on those original investigations. |
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:Yes, agreed. More: |
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:*The title of the eventual article should skip the "Rev" and the "M.A." and instead be "Charles Swainson (''X'')", where ''X'' is whichever seems most suitable among "naturalist", "ornithologist", "rector", or whatever. (Labelling him as one among these does not imply that he's not additionally one or more among the others; for example, [[Akira Toriyama (ophthalmologist)]] is about somebody with some notability as a photographer.) |
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:*Book titles go in italics; don't additionally put them in quotation marks. |
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:*There's no reason to put "LONDON" etc in full capitals. |
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:*Far more importantly than any of the above, you're going to have to be more careful in referencing. Here's an example: {{DarkRed|His original and compendious research formed the foundation of several subsequent major works of ornithological literature, including William B. Lockwood's "''Oxford Dictionary of British Bird Names''"<sup>[5]</sup> and Harry Kirke Swann's "''A Dictionary of English and Folk-Names of British Birds; with their History, Meaning and First Usage, and the Folk-Lore, Weather-Lore, Legends Etc Relating to the More Familiar Species''".<sup>[6]</sup>}} This makes three major claims: (i) that his research was original and compendious, (ii) that it was the foundation of Lockwood's ''Oxford Dictionary of British Bird Names'', and (iii) that it was the foundation of Swann's ''A Dictionary of English and Folk-Names of British Birds''. The sentence has what at first appear to be two references, but it's not clear that either backs up what the sentence says; rather, they seem merely to provide bibliographical information (thus making the cumbersome subtitle of Swann's book more obviously unnecessary in the main text). Now, it could be that Lockwood, Swann or both say that Swainson's work was original and compendious, or that their own works were largely based on his; but if they do, you should make this clearer (by pointing to the precise page number(s), by quoting, etc). |
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:-- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 00:09, 15 February 2021 (UTC) <small>edited [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 07:51, 15 February 2021 (UTC)</small> |
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Bax Horton proposed new prime suspects in each of her published works, putting forward East End cigar maker Hyam Hyams as Jack the Ripper and Thames waterman James Crick as the Thames Torso Killer. [[User:SCC68|SCC68]] ([[User talk:SCC68|talk]]) 09:48, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:Read this : [[Wikipedia:Conflict of interest]]. Write about yourself isn't a thing to do. <br /> |
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Wow - guys - thank you for the rapid and constructive feedback, it's exactly what I was looking for. Now motivated to work hard and integrate my new learnings!! [[User:Paranoid Numanoid|Paranoid Numanoid]] ([[User talk:Paranoid Numanoid|talk]]) 23:30, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:Do you want more informations ? [[User:Anatole-berthe|Anatole-berthe]] ([[User talk:Anatole-berthe|talk]]) 09:51, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{u|SCC68}} Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Writing about yourself is highly discouraged, please see the [[WP:AUTO|autobiography policy]]. Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell about themselves. Wikipedia articles summarize what independent [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] say about topics that meet our special Wikipedia definition of [[WP:N|notability]]- like [[WP:NAUTHOR|a notable author]]. Also note that a Wikipedia article is [[WP:PROUD|not necessarily desirable]]. There are good reasons to not want one. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 09:52, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::and please don't promote your book on the [[Thames Torso Murders]]. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong|talk]]) 10:02, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::I am an expert on this subject wishing to update an out of date and misleading page. I am also an author of books on this subject. [[User:SCC68|SCC68]] ([[User talk:SCC68|talk]]) 13:05, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:@[[User:SCC68|SCC68]], not an article, but [[Sarah Bax Horton]] is now a redirect. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 10:39, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::Thank you [[User:SCC68|SCC68]] ([[User talk:SCC68|talk]]) 13:06, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:[[User:SCC68|SCC68]], you write: {{Olive|I would like to create a page about myself. It looks complicated and I need some help.}} People in a number of dodgy little companies are likely to read this, think "Maybe she'll pay" and may then solicit your business. (Perhaps individual Wikipedia editors will do the same.) But if you're wise, you'll ignore such offers. Please read and digest what's said in "[[Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Scam warning]]". -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 12:31, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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I've worked up some key parts of the lead paragraph, especially the "three claims" which of course was unconsciously done on my part! and that's why we need editors and critics - and I was delighted to find that both of the dictionaries which followed Swainson in fact did rely on him to a greater extent that even I had first realised. Maybe I've made too much of this, I will of course look into this more deeply. I know the rest of the article is not anyhwere near as "finished" as the first part, but that's just the way I'm working at the moment, sorry. Any further comments gladly received. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Paranoid Numanoid|Paranoid Numanoid]] ([[User talk:Paranoid Numanoid#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Paranoid Numanoid|contribs]]) 01:10, 16 February 2021 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->Should've signed my last comment [[User:Paranoid Numanoid|Paranoid Numanoid]] ([[User talk:Paranoid Numanoid|talk]]) 17:53, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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== Messed up title when reverting a non-discussed page move. Not sure how to proceed. == |
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== This IP user is claming to be Sanford M. Jacoby == |
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Hi. I don't know whether it's appropriate to ask but I messed up reverting a page move on the [[Man vs. Baby|Man vs. Bee]] article. (renamed it to the upcoming sequel show, not the original by mistake), and I cannot fix it as another redirect article already exists. I'm unsure how to fix it and I have royally messed up. Thanks. [[User:Cheezknight|Cheezknight]] ([[User talk:Cheezknight|talk]]) 11:34, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|JennilyW}} Reverted and warned about COI editing. If they continue in the same vein, this is bog-standard persistent unsourced editing and you can keep warning them and then report at AIV. There's something somewhere about impersonation, but I think that relates to account names not IP editing, so can't be bothered to start looking for it now. Cheers, [[User:RandomCanadian|RandomCanadian]] ([[User talk:RandomCanadian|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/RandomCanadian|contribs]]) 23:42, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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: {{Re|JennilyW}} It generally doesn't matter who they are. If they are removing material that should not be removed, it's treated the same way{{Snd}} [[WP:BRD]], report edit-warring, etc. Policy is designed to reflect the fact that we don't generally have a way, as regular editors, of verifying identities. Besides, if anything, being the subject of an article means they should not edit it directly anyway (they should post an {{Tlx|Edit request}} on the talk page). <span style="color:red">—[</span>[[User:AlanM1|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:green">Alan</span><span style="color:blue">M</span><span style="color:purple">1</span>]] ([[User talk:AlanM1|talk]])<span style="color:red">]—</span> 00:51, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:Hi {{u|Cheezknight}}, I've moved the page back to [[Man vs. Bee]] for you. Let me know if everything looks good now! If a similar issue happens again, feel free to submit a request at [[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests]]. That page is watched by a lot of [[WP:PAGEMOVER|page movers]], who have more extensive permissions relating to moving and renaming articles than most users. [[User:ModernDayTrilobite|ModernDayTrilobite]] ([[User talk:ModernDayTrilobite|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/ModernDayTrilobite|contribs]]) 15:29, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Can I Please Create A Page To Editing It == |
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::Thanks for the help! I really appreciate it as I was stumped on what to do. I don't usually move/ merge articles so thanks for fixing it and for pointing me in the right direction if future issues occur. [[User:Cheezknight|Cheezknight]] ([[User talk:Cheezknight|talk]]) 16:01, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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[[User:ShakeZula2000|ShakeZula2000]] ([[User talk:ShakeZula2000|talk]]) 23:35, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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{{ping|ShakeZula2000}} You should be able to create [[User:ShakeZula200/sandbox]] (I've created it for you just in case). Alternatively, you can try [[WP:SANDBOX]]. Cheers, [[User:RandomCanadian|RandomCanadian]] ([[User talk:RandomCanadian|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/RandomCanadian|contribs]]) 23:37, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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== Proposed new article == |
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Hi - I want to improve and increase the number of articles on cat health on Wikipedia - I want to write a piece on Feline Urethral Obstruction. Does it have to be fully referenced before I submit it or can I submit it as a stub and continue to improve it while it is live? [[User:AlbusHaversham|AlbusHaversham]] ([[User talk:AlbusHaversham|talk]]) 23:53, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|AlbusHaversham}} For your first article, you're better off following the process at [[WP:AFC]]. If you do no want to go through that process, you should have at least a few references that substantiate your subject, per [[WP:V]]. Since you're interested in cat health, I'd also recommend seeking guidance (once you have completed a reasonable [[WP:DRAFT|draft]]) from the editors at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Cats]] and [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Veterinary medicine]]. Cheers, [[User:RandomCanadian|RandomCanadian]] ([[User talk:RandomCanadian|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/RandomCanadian|contribs]]) 00:05, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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== userpage == |
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how do i format my userpage correctly so it looks cool and i dont look like a noob [[User:Skunkiix|Skunkiix]] ([[User talk:Skunkiix|talk]]) 00:11, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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: {{Re|Skunkiix}} Generally, it's best to wait until you get some experience editing articles and become familiar with Wikicode before trying to build your user page. You can always look at the code of other editors' pages that you like by editing them (don't save any changes). Keep in mind that user pages are totally optional{{Snd}} some editors have been here a long time and are quite active but have little or no content on their user pages. <span style="color:red">—[</span>[[User:AlanM1|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:green">Alan</span><span style="color:blue">M</span><span style="color:purple">1</span>]] ([[User talk:AlanM1|talk]])<span style="color:red">]—</span> 01:00, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{ec}} Hi {{u|Skunkiix}}, welcome to the Teahouse. In my experience, the best and most efficient way of learning Wikipedia is to watch other people. That's true in every aspect – learning syntax, style, etiquette, local norms, is all best done by seeing what other people do, deciding what you want to emulate, and then adapting it to your own goals and specialities. Perhaps you could look at the talkpages of a few articles you're interested in, see who's commenting that looks experienced and worth listening to, take a look at their userpages and see what that prompts you to change about your own. |
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:Userpages aren't important in the big picture – we're really here to build the articles not talk about ourselves – but I guess they make a difference in that how people interact with you is partly determined by what they think of you, and that's partly determined by how you present yourself on your userpage. Capitalising the first letters of sentences and the pronoun 'I' would be a good start. Describing yourself as a 'conlang hoe' will split people three ways: some will see it as vulgar, some will see it as charming and irreverant, some will think "hang on, shouldn't that be 'ho'? Isn't a 'hoe' a garden implement? Wait, if it's short for 'whore' does it need an apostrophe? Let me look this up, just a second". It's entirely up to you, but you might choose to save them the trouble by rephrasing. |
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:Generally, my advice is to keep it quite straightforward and not aim for glitz or wow; what you write in articles and say in discussions will make a vastly bigger difference than your userpage. I hope this helps › [[User:Mortee|<span style="color: purple;">Mortee</span>]] [[User talk:Mortee|<sub>talk</sub>]] 01:09, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::{{Re|Skunkiix}} A little thing: The Asian Dragons box is slightly taller than the others, so it causes a gap in your list of Userboxes. Move it and any other tall ones to the bottom of your list. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 03:34, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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== Fordham Ram Football players == |
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The name of Nathanial Pierce should be added to your site. Nat played on the same team as Vince Lombardi as one of the seven blocks of granite. I knew Nat Pierce and I am dismayed to see his name missing [[Special:Contributions/2600:8802:1400:830:8D2F:A0A3:7A15:2E4|2600:8802:1400:830:8D2F:A0A3:7A15:2E4]] ([[User talk:2600:8802:1400:830:8D2F:A0A3:7A15:2E4|talk]]) 00:23, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:Welcome to the Teahouse! You can suggest improvements for an article on the article's talk page, such as [[Talk:Fordham Rams football]]. Be sure you include a reference to an independent [[WP:RS|reliable source]] with your suggestion. Thanks! [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 01:02, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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: Hi IP 2600:8802:1400:830:8D2F:A0A3:7A15:2E4. I'm assuming you're asking about [[:Fordham Rams football#Notable players]]. Is that correct? If not, perhaps you can provide the name of the article you want Pierce's name added to. Since there doesn't appear to be a Wikipedia article written about a [[:Nathanial Pierce]], you're going to need to cite some [[:WP:RS|reliable source]] that verifies that Pierce played football for the Rams. If you fnd such a source, you can be [[:WP:BOLD]] and add the information yourself as explained [[:WP:REFB|here]]. If you're not sure how to do, you can propose that the name be added by posting about it the relevant article's talk page; someone else can then assess whether his name should be added to the list. For what it's worth, there is a Natty Pierce mentioned by name in [[:Seven Blocks of Granite]]. Perhaps that's the same "Nathaniel Pierce" you're referring to? -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 01:04, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:Hi again IP 2600:8802:1400:830:8D2F:A0A3:7A15:2E4. I've gone ahead and started a discussion about this at [[:Talk:Fordham Rams football#Nat Pierce]]; so, feel free to comment there is you like. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 01:22, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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== Can you add pages related to Baggie? (A Different one, to say the least.) == |
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Can you add pages related to Baggie? (A Different one, to say the least.) |
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Now, If you don't know who Baggie is, I don't blame you, it's obscure, and guess what? |
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I actually made the character! I'm known formally as "SonicFan2016YT" And if you |
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You Need anything to learn about the character(s), Look at this wiki I made: |
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https://baggie.fandom.com/wiki/Baggie_Da_Wiki |
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See you soon! |
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Best Regards, chilldeud. [[User:Chilldued|Chilldued]] ([[User talk:Chilldued|talk]]) 00:24, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{re|Chilldued}} Only if [[Wikipedia:Independent sources|independent]], [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] have given [[WP:SIGCOV|significant coverage]]. For instance, if a few reputable gaming publications like those listed at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Sources]] had discussed it at length, it would likely be [[WP:N|notable]]. Note that blogs and wikis aren't sufficient for this, nor are brief mentions. '''However''', even if it is notable, as the creator you would have a [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]] and thus be strongly discouraged from writing about it yourself. |
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:If Baggie doesn't yet meet those criteria, then by all means keep developing the character and talking about it, but it's not ready for Wikipedia. [[User:Vahurzpu|Vahurzpu]] ([[User talk:Vahurzpu|talk]]) 00:44, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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== Very broad questions about Wikipedia and about your experience as Wikipedians. == |
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Hello Wikipedians, |
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I'm gathering information for a school assignment. It would be tremendously helpful as many of you as possible would answer some or all of the following questions. |
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Your role |
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* What exactly do you do (most specific user group)? |
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* How long have you been an editor/admin/user of Wikipedia? |
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* How active are you in that capacity? |
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* Do you consider this your primary occupation or only a hobby (regardless of pay)? |
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Your thoughts |
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* What do you think of Wikipedia as a project? |
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* What do you see in the future for the site? |
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* How might the subjects covered by Wikipedia be expanded? |
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Your experience |
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* What have you seen, do you have any stories? |
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* How big a problem is vandalism? |
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* How easily is vandalism dealt with? |
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Please direct your answers to [[User:Timbktoo/Survey]] thank you! |
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-Timothy Baker [[User:Timbktoo|Timbktoo]] ([[User talk:Timbktoo|talk]]) 01:00, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|Timbktoo}} I took the liberty of fixing your bullet points for easier readability. Per [[Wikipedia:About]], "Wikipedia is written collaboratively by largely anonymous volunteers who write without pay." You might also be interested in [[Wikipedia:Books]] (compiling articles, which may be similar to your idea about "courses") and [[Wikipedia:Vandalism]]. [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 01:17, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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: {{ec}} Hi {{u|Timbktoo}}, you're right, there are some very broad questions here! I wonder if there's a better place to collate the answers than directly at the Teahouse, since it could get very long. Perhaps you could make a sub-page of your userpage ([[User:Timbktoo/Survey]], maybe) and ask for people to respond there? If there's one question you're particularly interested in, that might also help to get more people replying. Wikipedia is big and complicated, so it might be difficult for people to answer such a comprehensive set of questions in anything shorter than a small book! All the best with your assignment › [[User:Mortee|<span style="color: purple;">Mortee</span>]] [[User talk:Mortee|<sub>talk</sub>]] 01:21, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|Timbktoo}} Do you know if your instructor is going thru [[WP:School and university projects]] for this course? —[[User:Jéské Couriano|<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>]] [[User talk:Jéské Couriano|<span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span>]] <sup><small>[[Special:Contributions/Jéské Couriano|Takes a strong man to deny...]]</small></sup> 05:07, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|Jéské Couriano}} I don't believe that they are, I chose Wikipedia as a topic.[[User:Timbktoo|Timbktoo]] ([[User talk:Timbktoo|talk]]) 05:17, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|Mortee}} I've done as you suggested and created a page for responses. Any responses should go there. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Timbktoo|Timbktoo]] ([[User talk:Timbktoo#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Timbktoo|contribs]]) 06:19, 15 February 2021 (UTC)</span> |
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== How to be the owner of a Software that is not yet developed? And how to be the developer of that software? == |
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And I'm a programmer I'm busy working with the Tox Protocol, So Please I need your assistance to put the name Tox, as a developer of this software, on the Tox developer side! |
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[[User:Gkmw|Gkmw]] ([[User talk:Gkmw|talk]]) 01:11, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|Gkmw}} Hi there! The Teahouse is a "friendly place where you can ask questions to get help with using and editing Wikipedia". We can't help you with software creation or development, but let us know if you have a question about Wikipedia. Thanks! [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 01:18, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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Can you please, put the name Tox? As a developer of this software. On the Tox Protocol? If possible thanks so much. [[User:Gkmw|Gkmw]] ([[User talk:Gkmw|talk]]) 01:21, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|Gkmw}} If you have a suggestion for the [[Tox (protocol)]] article, you can post it on the article's talk page, [[Talk:Tox (protocol)]], with a reliable source that can be used as a reference. Thanks! [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 01:27, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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=== Edid, Tox Protocol === |
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{{FYI|Combined sections. [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 01:27, 15 February 2021 (UTC)}} |
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How can I edid that page? Please I need your assistance! [[User:Gkmw|Gkmw]] ([[User talk:Gkmw|talk]]) 01:25, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|Gkmw}} Please don't create a new section header to continue the same conversation. To learn how to edit, you may be interested in [[Help:Introduction to Wikipedia]] and [[Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Adventure]]. [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 01:29, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{re|Gkmw}} If you're a programmer {{tq|busy working with the Tox Protocol}}, you should refrain from directly editing the article, as you would have a [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]]. You can go to the article's talk page and submit an [[WP:EDITREQ|edit request]] with a [[WP:RS|reliable source]]. —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu 🐲</span>]] ( [[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]] ) 02:12, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::Aare you saying that there is a person named Tox, and that this information belongs in the History section of the article? Is there a reference to confirm that? [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 03:43, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:Hello, {{U|Gkmw}}, and welcome to the Teahouse. If your software is not yet developed, then it is almost certainly [[WP:TOOSOON|TOOSOON]], and probably does not, at present, belong anywhere in Wikipedia. If you are trying to get your name (or the name of your software) into Wikipedia, then you are engaging in [[WP:NOTPROMO|promotion]], which is not permitted anywhere in Wikipedia. --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 14:16, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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== Citations == |
== Citations == |
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How to present a citation? [[Special:Contributions/2600:1700:60F8:B010:5113:50DB:F873:638B|2600:1700:60F8:B010:5113:50DB:F873:638B]] ([[User talk:2600:1700:60F8:B010:5113:50DB:F873:638B|talk]]) 12:06, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Can YouTube videos be cited? |
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For example, if I'm building a Career graph of a news anchor, is a citation of the interviews he/she have conducted and which may be on YouTube permissable? [[User:Mommatwrk|Mommatwrk]] ([[User talk:Mommatwrk|talk]]) 02:51, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|Mommatwrk}} YouTube videos can be cited, but consider who is publishing the video (like you would consider who publishes a magazine or newspaper article). Also, [[Template:Cite AV media]] reminds us that we should not cite material that violates copyright law. [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 04:53, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|Mommatwrk}} you may want to check this out too, [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources]]. - [[User:Bekkadn|Bekkadn]] ([[User talk:Bekkadn|talk]]) 07:57, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:See "Referencing" at [[WP:TUTORIAL]]. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 12:27, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Biography vs. Bare Bones? == |
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== Im trying to make a page for Jessica Christine Ritchie == |
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I have an article on [[Joseph Conforte]] and a draft of Sally Conforte that has been denied: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_talk:Sally_Conforte As biographer, I've taken a chronological approach to writing the articles. In Sally's case, I went the extra mile to explain her. Proving facts is always an issue of murky underworld characters. Related Wiki articles are ripe with omissions and bad or incorrect facts: [[Harry E. Claiborne]], [[Oscar Goodman]], [[Oscar Bonavena]], [[Bernardo Mercado]], [[Vinnie Curto]], and many more as they relate to Joseph or Sally Conforte. |
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{{cot|Proposed article content}} |
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'''Jessica Christine Ritchie''', is an American entrepreneur, artist, and educator Who is of Apache and Blackfoot heritage. She is the founder of '''DeerWomen''', a luxury tea and beauty brand that merges herbal remedies with esoteric traditions. |
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=== Early Life and Education === |
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I'm not the best at encyclopedic writing. I think an issue with my work is about structure. It comes down to a chronological narrative versus specific events or accomplishments. Please, I seek your advice and contributions. [[User:Owilli2019|Owilli2019]] ([[User talk:Owilli2019|talk]]) 03:07, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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Jessica Christine was born in California and raised in Spokane, Washington. Her upbringing amidst the natural landscapes of the Pacific Northwest nurtured a deep appreciation for nature, mythology, and esoteric sciences. She pursued her education at prestigious institutions such as the Royal Academy of Fine Arts in Antwerp, Belgium. Along her journey, she was mentored by notable figures, including author Francesca Lia Block and scholar Maja D'Aoust, further shaping her interdisciplinary approach to creativity and learning. |
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:{{ping|Owilli2019}} I suggest reading [[Wikipedia:Other stuff exists]] - your help improving those other articles would be appreciated. In the "Second female boxing manager" section of your draft, it's not clear where the quote from ''The Last Mafioso'' ends - you may want to use a [[Template:Quotation_templates|quotation template]]. Also please review [[WP:ITALICS]] and ensure the prose contains complete sentences - I fixed what I could. Happy editing! [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 05:06, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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=== Career === |
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== How do I write articles in the main space directly? == |
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==== DeerWomen ==== |
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I've been writing an article, and I noticed how it's a draft. Are there any required things I have to do before I can write directly in the namespace? I am an auto confirmed user. [[User:Brigantics|Brigantics]] ([[User talk:Brigantics|talk]]) 03:44, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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In 2016, Jessica founded '''DeerWomen''', a luxury tea and beauty brand. The brand reflects her passion for blending herbal remedies and ritualistic recipes with symbolic narratives drawn from folklore. DeerWomen offers a curated collection of products designed to enhance vitality and natural beauty, emphasizing the connection between self-care and authenticity. Relaunched in Antwerp, Belgium, in 2022, the brand’s offerings are now available in select stockists across the USA and Europe. |
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::New editors are strongly recommended to use the Articles for creation (AfC) process rather than putting their creation directly into mainspace. I can tell you that your draft [[Draft:Rebecca Parham]], if submitted to AfC, will be declined. If you bypass AfC, it is very likely that it would be quickly submitted to Articles for Deletion due to multiple shortcomings, as described in the commentary at the top of the draft. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 03:52, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::See [[List of animators]] for examples of how to crate an article. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 03:55, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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==== Creative Direction and STEM Education ==== |
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==Album missing== |
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Jessica’s career extends beyond entrepreneurship. She has worked as a Creative Director, organizing international events that catered to high-profile dignitaries, including Belgian royalty. As a STEM educator, Jessica has taught coding and 3D printing using innovative methods involving gaming and robotics, showcasing her dedication to integrating technology with creative expression. |
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Return to forever album missing. |
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1975 Electric Lady. |
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https://www.discogs.com/Return-To-Forever-Electric-Lady-Studio-NYC-June-1975/release/7248631 |
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please add [[Special:Contributions/2601:644:0:F330:CCE:C48B:8961:9EBE|2601:644:0:F330:CCE:C48B:8961:9EBE]] ([[User talk:2601:644:0:F330:CCE:C48B:8961:9EBE|talk]]) 05:01, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:Assuming you're referring to [[Return to Forever]], you are more than welcome to add the information yourself to the article. If you need help with referencing, you may want to see [[WP:EASYREFBEGIN]]. —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu 🐲</span>]] ( [[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]] ) 05:10, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::Actually, after checking [[WP:RSP|the list of perennial reliable sources]], do you have any other source that has this information? Discogs' content is user-generated and thus unreliable for Wikipedia's purposes. —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu 🐲</span>]] ( [[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]] ) 05:40, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:It might not be included because Discogs lists it as an "Unofficial Release". You may want to discuss it at the article's talk page: [[Talk:Return to Forever]]. Happy editing! [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 05:14, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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=== Personal Philosophy === |
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== How to remove redirect == |
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Jessica’s work is profoundly influenced by her Apache and Blackfoot heritage and a deep connection to nature. She advocates for personal rituals and self-care as essential elements of beauty, encouraging individuals to define beauty on their own terms. According to Jessica, true beauty arises when people engage passionately with activities they love. |
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=== Legacy and Influence === |
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Hi. I've misspelled a redirect name (a capital letter inside the name), and now I'd like to remove it altogether. It's [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Sheikh_BadEr_Cemetery&redirect=no here]. I've created the correct redirect, this one is useless now. I tried redirecting the wrong redirect, but a bot moved it back to the wrong form - apparently double redirects are not accepted, or that bot has a glitch, doesn't matter, fact is the trick didn't work. Thanks. [[User:Arminden|Arminden]] ([[User talk:Arminden|talk]]) 05:25, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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Jessica’s work bridges art, science, and cultural heritage, inspiring others to pursue their unique paths with intention and creativity. Her ability to harmonize traditional wisdom with modern practices makes her a significant figure in the realms of beauty, education, and entrepreneurship. |
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:{{ping|Arminden}} I suggest adding {{tlx|db-g7}} to the top of the page, and use the {{para|rationale}} parameter to explain why it should be deleted. Happy editing! [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 05:31, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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=== See Also === |
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== References changing between read view and edit view == |
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* [https://www.Deerwomen.com/ DeerWomen Website] |
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Hello! I am wondering if anyone would have insight as to why the numbers on citations would change when switching from read view to edit view on an article? I would like to suggest the removal of a source on the [[Peloton (company)]] page because the source is not accessible without a paid subscription (sidebar: is this a rule about sources?). The source is number 45 in the read view of the article, out of 46 total references, but when I switch to edit view the number changes to 43. Also, in edit view there are still 46 total references in the references section, but the highest number is 44 in the body of the article. Any reason for this discrepancy? |
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* [https://www.missingwitches.com/ep-151-wf-jessica-ritchie-finding-your-own-path-is-key/ Jessica Christine on Missing Witches Podcast] |
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Thanks! Let me know if further clarification is needed. [[User:Mcooley509|Mcooley509]] ([[User talk:Mcooley509|talk]]) 07:38, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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: Hi {{u|Mcooley509}}. Just for reference, as long as a source is considered to be [[:WP:RS|reliable]], is [[:WP:PUBLISHED|published]] and is used in [[:WP:RSCONTEXT|proper context]], it can still be cited in an article [[:WP:PAYWALL|even if it requires a paid subscription]] to view it; so, you shouldn't simply remove the source for that reason alone. As for the rest of your question, the references aren't changing per se; the same number are being cited in both view modes. It's just that some of them are formatted as [[:WP:REFNAME]]; so, if you search the edit mode for "<code><nowiki><ref></nowiki></code>" using Ctrl+f, you're only going to find the references that are formatted that way; try searching "<code><nowiki><ref</nowiki></code>" or "<code><nowiki></ref></nowiki></code>" instead and see if the numbers don't match up. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 07:50, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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----''This article is a summary of Jessica Christine Ritchie Magdaleno’s professional and personal journey.'' [[User:Qualek|Qualek]] ([[User talk:Qualek|talk]]) 14:43, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::: {{Re|Mcooley509}} Basically ignore the numbers. They are assigned automatically by possibly different software between preview and read mode, which may process them in a different order. They will routinely change with edits that add or move refs, or even changes to templates that are transcluded by an article, which may add their own references. Refs are also numbered differently if you edit and preview just a section instead of the whole article (or even emit an "error" if the ref is defined outside the section). So, if you want to mention a cite on a discussion page, you generally have to give the title or something else unique about it instead of the number. <span style="color:red">—[</span>[[User:AlanM1|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:green">Alan</span><span style="color:blue">M</span><span style="color:purple">1</span>]] ([[User talk:AlanM1|talk]])<span style="color:red">]—</span> 10:33, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::::{{ping|Mcooley509}} You use VisualEditor and most experienced editors don't so the previous posters couldn't see what you refer to. You have spotted a bug in [[Wikipedia:VisualEditor|VisualEditor]]. After two references in the infobox parameters of [[Peloton (company)]], VisualEditor starts over the count at 1 in the article body, so reference number 3 to 46 are incorrectly numbered 1 to 44. VisualEditor displays the correct number in the references section so the bug is confusing. I don't know whether the bug has been reported somewhere. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 16:31, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:This looks largely promotional - which is not allowed on Wikipedia. Furthermore this text does not contain any independent secondary sources. Simply put - this text is inappropriate for Wikipedia as it stands. [[User:Simonm223|Simonm223]] ([[User talk:Simonm223|talk]]) 14:48, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Users == |
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Hello, I am a new user to wikipedia, and I had a question about new users registering. Does wikipedia automatically send an new registered user an message in there talk page when they have registered, just an question. Thanks. [[User:10-Is-Lucky|10-Is-Lucky]] ([[User talk:10-Is-Lucky|talk]]) 07:46, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:No, it doesn't. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 07:52, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:Wikipedia doesn't. I see you started going through [[WP:TWA|The Wikipedia Adventure]], which auto-generates a message on your user talk page, but other than that, welcome messages are given by volunteers who take it upon themselves to welcome new users. —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu 🐲</span>]] ( [[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]] ) 13:07, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::{{Ping|Tenryuuu}} Thanks, I'll welcome users. Lucky10 [[User:10-Is-Lucky|🧊 Userpage]] [[User talk:10-Is-Lucky|🦜Talk]] 17:06, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:Hello, {{U|Qualek}}, and welcome to the Teahouse. {{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}} |
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== Edits made using [[WP:Twinkle]] == |
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:{{HD/WINI}} So writing an article ''starts'' with finding reliable independent sources (see [[WP:42|42]]). What you know about the subject is irrelevant, except where it can be verified from a published source. --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 15:42, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== How I can improve my page? == |
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I've been trying to see if there is a way to change the "tag: twinkle" that is affixed to any edit made using [[twinkle]], but it doesn't seem that's possible. Is there any way to change or remove that? —[[User:FormalDude|<span style="color: #00316e; font-size:97%; padding:0px;">'''F'''</span><span style="color: #00316e; font-size:80%; padding:0px;">'''ORMAL'''</span><span style="font-size:103%; color: #fc766a; padding:0px;">'''D'''</span><span style="font-size:80%; color: #fc766a; padding:0px;">'''UDE'''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:FormalDude|<b style=";font-size:100%;"><u>talk</u></b>]])</sup> 08:03, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{replyto|FormalDude}} Imo, [[WT:Twinkle]] is better place to ask the question since the developer are there. '''<span style="color:#f535aa">—</span> [[User:Paper9oll|<span style="background:#f535aa;color:#fff;padding:2px">Paper9oll</span>]] <span style="color:#f535aa">([[User talk:Paper9oll|📣]] • [[Special:Contributions/Paper9oll|📝]])</span>''' 08:17, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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Hi, I write here a few days ago, to ask if you all can help me to get my page approved (name page: [[Bove Path]]), and you all help me but also all my colleagues to get our draft page approved (we really appreciate your help). |
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== Infobox syntax == |
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I found myself here again to ask you what I can improve to possibly increase the score of the page. I already add the sources that were missing, as one of you recommended, any more suggestion? thank you in advance. [[User:LIUCChia.05|LIUCChia.05]] ([[User talk:LIUCChia.05|talk]]) 14:48, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Is it okay for the infobox to have no spaces and each parameter not on new line? Imo, it isn't okay even though it still render fine but it's horrible to look at when editing, however I'm not sure which guidelines it's violating. '''<span style="color:#f535aa">—</span> [[User:Paper9oll|<span style="background:#f535aa;color:#fff;padding:2px">Paper9oll</span>]] <span style="color:#f535aa">([[User talk:Paper9oll|📣]] • [[Special:Contributions/Paper9oll|📝]])</span>''' 08:15, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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: {{Re|Paper9oll}} While other types of templates usually have their parms inline, the typical infobox has a much larger number of parms, so editors have pretty much universally adopted the "vertical" layout for readability in edit mode. I doubt there is (or even should be) a specific policy or guideline{{Snd}} it's a matter of playing nice with others in this project that relies on collaboration. I suppose it could be regarded as [[WP:DISRUPTIVE|disruptive]]. <span style="color:red">—[</span>[[User:AlanM1|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:green">Alan</span><span style="color:blue">M</span><span style="color:purple">1</span>]] ([[User talk:AlanM1|talk]])<span style="color:red">]—</span> 10:20, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::{{replyto|AlanM1}} Hi, thanks for the reply. Understood. '''<span style="color:#f535aa">—</span> [[User:Paper9oll|<span style="background:#f535aa;color:#fff;padding:2px">Paper9oll</span>]] <span style="color:#f535aa">([[User talk:Paper9oll|📣]] • [[Special:Contributions/Paper9oll|📝]])</span>''' 10:36, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:You can add pronunciation in "[[Italian language]]" indicated in "[[International Phonetic Alphabet|IPA]]". [[User:Anatole-berthe|Anatole-berthe]] ([[User talk:Anatole-berthe|talk]]) 14:55, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== (c) for photo from books == |
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::[[Bove Path]] is rated C-class. See [[Wikipedia:Content assessment]] to understand the differences between C-class and B-class. Although any editor, including you, can change the rating, I personally perfer to not upgrade ratings on articles I have been editing. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 15:21, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Where can we see class of an article ? [[User:Anatole-berthe|Anatole-berthe]] ([[User talk:Anatole-berthe|talk]]) 15:25, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::::Top of Talk pages usually has ratings: Stub, Start, C-Class, B-class. For GA and FA there is additional detail as to when approved. |
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:::::Back to article - in my opinion Biodiversity should be limited to what is near the trail, not the entire park. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 15:31, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::Even if the path cross the park itself? it is not a dispersive area you can find and encounter, with a bit of luck, all those species during the trekking itself. [[User:LIUCChia.05|LIUCChia.05]] ([[User talk:LIUCChia.05|talk]]) 16:23, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::I have reassessed the article as "B". [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 17:39, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::Thanks for you help ! Now , I know where to find the class of an article. [[User:Anatole-berthe|Anatole-berthe]] ([[User talk:Anatole-berthe|talk]]) 19:55, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Diffs == |
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I have come across [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mount_Scopus_(2009).jpg this] photo from WikiCommons. It was uploaded there by an editor who photographed a book page, presented it as "own work", and offered it as copyright-free for further use. It shows an event from 1918. I have checked and it is being offered FOR A FEE by the [[Central Zionist Archives]] [http://www.zionistarchives.org.il/en/datelist/Pages/HebrewUniversity.aspx#!prettyPhoto here]. I know this doesn't mean that the CZA are the (only) reproduction rights or (c) holders, but I also don't know if our colleague's formulation ("own work") is OK. I also believe one should check if the actual photographer isn't known by name, as he should be mentioned in the file as the actual author. There weren't all that many official photographers in Jerusalem in 1918. Anyone who knows the laws (which differ from area to area, stricter in the EU and less so in the US) & WP rules? [[User:Arminden|Arminden]] ([[User talk:Arminden|talk]]) 10:51, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{u|Arminden}}, You may post this query at '''[[c:COM:HD|Commons:Help desk]]''' since its a [[Wikimedia Commons]] related. Thank you. — [[User:Amkgp|Amkgp]] [[User talk:Amkgp|<big>💬</big>]] 12:18, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::{{u|Amkgp}} Thank you, I'll try right away! <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Arminden|Arminden]] ([[User talk:Arminden#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Arminden|contribs]]) 12:54, 15 February 2021 (UTC)</span> |
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I always forget the best way to show a "diff" in a post. Can someone explain to me how I'd show [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Ilhan_Omar&diff=prev&oldid=1264616325 this edit], in a diff? Did I do it right? Just link the URL? I feel as if some editors do it so seamlessly and easily. [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 16:06, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:Hi [[User:Arminden|Arminden]]. |
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:#The claim of "own work" appears incorrect and is probably based on a common misunderstanding, but which has a fairly anodyne result here. By contrast, the same misunderstanding (or sometimes knowingly false claim) is a real problem when the work is actually copyrighted – see [[WP:OWN WORK]] – it should be changed to "Unknown" or to credit the actual author(s) if known; |
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:#The photograph is in the public domain because of age, as it was taken prior to May 24, 2008, and had to be taken in 1918, and so its copyright expired expired 50 years thereafter, certainly by January 1, 1969, under paragraph 21 of the British Copyright Act of 1911, as applicable under Israel's copyright statute of 2007 (see e.g., [[Commons:Commons:Copyright rules by territory/Israel|Commons:Copyright rules by territory/Israel]] and [[Commons:Category:PD Israel & British Mandate]]); |
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:#The fact that it's being offered for a fee from CZA doesn't tell you they're claiming copyright ownership, just that they're setting up a paywall—such as to transmit rich media at a higher resolution than you can find elsewhere/offering a print service/something in that arena—which people do for public domain material all the time; |
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:#However, and not because I see this as actually happening here, but please be aware that it is not at all uncommon for people and organizations to seek to sell material under a false claims of copyright ownership over public domain material, or even to copyrighted material owned by others. When some work is manifestly in the public domain because of status, such as age coupled with location, ignore such claims as on-their-face false. |
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:Best regards--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] ([[User talk:Fuhghettaboutit|talk]]) 21:47, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::Hi [[User:Arminden|Fuhghettaboutit]], |
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::That clarifies everything, thanks a lot! I'll save your advice for the future. |
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::Kind regards, [[User:Arminden|Arminden]] ([[User talk:Arminden|talk]]) 23:20, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:Thank you for the question, @[[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]]. Yes, you linked the diff perfectly. There are also other ways to link diffs which you may or may not find easier. You can see [[Help:Diff#Linking to a diff]] for more examples. Here's one form I really like to use: |
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== How can I make my site Reliable == |
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:Typing this---> <nowiki>[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Rickrolling&diff=prev&oldid=1263603391]</nowiki> |
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:Would create this--->[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Rickrolling&diff=prev&oldid=1263603391] |
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:I hope this all helps! [[User:Tarlby|<span style="color:cyan;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">''Tarl''</span><span style="color:orange;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">''by''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Tarlby|''t'']]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tarlby|''c'']])</sup> 16:19, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::I use visual editor except on talk pages where sometimes it is not possible or other pages where it might not be possible for some reason. I really wish they would enable visual editor everywhere too by the way! It is SO much better than source editor! [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 16:21, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::But thanks, I am glad that my copying and pasting of the "diff" URL is essentially all that you need to do. I did not think it was that simple. [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 16:22, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::::What about finding a specific diff in the page history? Some people in talk page discussions seem to find tons of perfectly relevant diffs nearly instantly and it routinely blows my mind. [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 16:23, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::For articles, the [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Who_Wrote_That%3F Who Wrote That?] browser extension makes it really easy to locate when something was added. [[User:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#066293;">'''Schazjmd'''</span>]] [[User talk:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#738276;">''(talk)''</span>]] 16:33, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::I use Microsoft Edge as my browser. Is that supported for this tool? Seems like such an interesting tool that it would almost make it worth to switch the browser that I use, though I'd rather not do that if I can avoid it. [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 17:24, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::::It does. {{smiley}} [[User:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#066293;">'''Schazjmd'''</span>]] [[User talk:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#738276;">''(talk)''</span>]] 17:33, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::@[[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] Assuming you're using a PC to edit, clicking "page history" at the top right will show you the list of revisions the page has went through. Each revision has "prev" and "cur" next to them. Clicking prev will show you the difference (''diff!'') with that revision and the previous one. Cur will show the difference between that revision and the current one. [[User:Tarlby|<span style="color:cyan;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">''Tarl''</span><span style="color:orange;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">''by''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Tarlby|''t'']]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tarlby|''c'']])</sup> 16:36, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::Yes, I edit using a PC. Thanks for this information. [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 17:13, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::::I have never quite figured out how to edit from a phone, plus I am worried that it would be from an IP then and might cause me problems somehow. [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 17:14, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::::{{u|Iljhgtn}}, please read my essay [[User:Cullen328/Smartphone editing]]. If you are logged in on your phone, your IP address will not be disclosed and you will not have any unusual problems. I have made about 100,000 phone edits going back many years. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 17:48, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::::::Are "phone edits" logged any differently in your contribution history than PC-based edits? 100,000 on the phone is an impressive achievement! [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 19:54, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::::::I was a bit discouraged to try phone editing too after the incident where there was a recent admin that seemed to really assault someone for trying to use phone editing and then it became a real ordeal for them to come back into editing. Though it looks like that admin has lost their adminship, rightfully so, so maybe I will look into it again. [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 22:40, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::You can force the visual editor in any namespace by adding ''?veaction=edit'' to the end of the URL (for example, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Skarmory?veaction=edit would let me access my user talk page in VE). <span style="background-color: black">[[User:Skarmory|<span style="color: yellow">Skarmory</span>]] [[User talk:Skarmory|<span style="color: yellow">(talk •</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Skarmory|<span style="color: yellow">contribs)</span>]]</span> 20:10, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== I'm really not sure why my article was declined. == |
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How can I make my site Reliable like [[The_Times_of_India]] My site is https://alatestnews.com |
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It is a biography of a living person who created a global food chain and is now writing poetry and songs. His journey to Canada was significant. [[User:CLWwrites|CLWwrites]] ([[User talk:CLWwrites|talk]]) 16:45, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Please give me my question; |
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:You will need to show how he could pass the criteria at [[WP:GNG]], your draft gives no indication of that so far. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong|talk]]) 16:48, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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: 1) How many days will it take to make my site reliable like [[NDTV]], [[The_Times_of_India]] |
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::Presumed - there is coverage in the Toronto Star Business section and in multiple newspapers globally. Many of the smaller papers have not archived all of their papers. Andy has a poem in the Kennedy Accessions Library (accessible online). |
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: 2) What steps will I have to take? |
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::Significant coverage - no additional research is needed to extract the content. The history of his coming to Canada and how he grew his business here are clearly laid out. |
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: 3) Any method by which I can show my site is reliable like it. |
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::Reliable - as mentioned above, I used verifiable sources and for a few instances, the smaller papers have not archived all of their earlier articles. |
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: 4) What thing I have to remove from my site |
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::Sources - I have used secondary sources. |
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: 5) What thing should I have to add to my site. |
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::Independent of the subject - there are many messages of congratuations and thanks for participating in events. I was having difficulty uploading their private photos. |
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[[User:Digimarksomnath|Digimarksomnath]] ([[User talk:Digimarksomnath|talk]]) 10:57, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::If you can tell me what is wrong I can fix it. Right now I don't know what is wrong. [[User:CLWwrites|CLWwrites]] ([[User talk:CLWwrites|talk]]) 17:01, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:@[[User:CLWwrites|CLWwrites]] You appear to have written that article [[WP:BACKWARDS]]. Please read that essay and if and when you have found [[WP:RS|appropriate sources]] start again. [[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]]|[[User talk:Shantavira|<sup>feed me</sup>]] 17:03, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::What do you mean? I wrote the article in the time sequence it occured... [[User:CLWwrites|CLWwrites]] ([[User talk:CLWwrites|talk]]) 17:05, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::I am feeling frustrated right now. [[User:CLWwrites|CLWwrites]] ([[User talk:CLWwrites|talk]]) 17:14, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::::Hello, @[[User:CLWwrites|CLWwrites]], and welcome to the Teahouse. |
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::::I'm afraid that that frustration is a common experience for editors who start editing Wikipedia and immediately plunge into the challenging task of creating an article without spending time learning how Wikipedia works first. Would you enter a major competation in a sport you have only just taken up? Would you expect to understand the feedback you got if you did? |
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::::{{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}} |
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::::When Shantavira says you have written your draft backwards, that is a link to a page that explains; but in short: you appear to have written what you know and then looked for sources. Baldly, Wikipedia doesn't care what you know (or what I know, or what any random person on the internet knows). Wikipedia only cares about material that is verified by reliable published sources, so writing an article ''starts'' by finding such sources. Then, if you have found several sources which each meet the criteria in [[WP:42]], you can start writing a summary of what those sources say (not what you know). [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 17:21, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::@[[User:CLWwrites|CLWwrites]], its not about time sequence. First, find the multiple reliable independent sources that describe the topic. Each such source must be in-depth, reliably published, and independent of the subject, all three at the same time. Next, write the article using only those sources. That is writing an article in the proper direction. Backward is writing what you know and looking for sources to support it later. That is almost never successful. [[User:StarryGrandma|StarryGrandma]] ([[User talk:StarryGrandma|talk]]) 17:18, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::::Thank you StarryGrandma...at least this helps me know what to do. [[User:CLWwrites|CLWwrites]] ([[User talk:CLWwrites|talk]]) 17:20, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::::To expand on this, we are asking you to show that he is already well-known by providing material that people independent of him have written in-depth about him and published in places with editorial oversight. If he is not already well-known then he can still be a significant person, but we don't include him in this encyclopedia. [[User:StarryGrandma|StarryGrandma]] ([[User talk:StarryGrandma|talk]]) 17:25, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Race condition on talk page? == |
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:You have created a news feed website and have been inserting it into articles as a reference. This is considered promotional spamming, and has been reverted by several editors. If you persist, you will be blocked. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 12:02, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::Also, Wikipedia strongly recommends that people do not try to create articles about themselves (your Sandbox). See [[WP:AUTO]]. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 12:05, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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It seems like two people welcomed me to Wikipedia at the same time (thank you to [[User:Clovermoss]] and [[User:Masterhatch]] by the way), which has led to two different revisions [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yaqubroli&oldid=1264673640][https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yaqubroli&oldid=1264673646] where the current revision doesn't have the past revision's message and vice versa. What is the proper thing to do here? Should I "merge" the two revisions so both messages are visible? [[User:Yaqubroli|<span style="display: inline-block; font-size: 12px; background-color: black; color: white; font-family: monospace; padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 5px; border-radius:3px;">YAQUBROLI</span>]] 18:38, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:A source can be considered [[WP:RS]] if it has a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. A website created 2020 that gives very little info about itself [https://www.facebook.com/Alatestnewsofficial/about/?ref=page_internal] has no reputation of any kind. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 12:11, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:Hello, @[[User:Yaqubroli|Yaqubroli]], and welcome to the Teahouse! Yes, you can "merge" the two revisions, make both messages visible, and say so in the [[Help:edit summary|edit summary]]. Please see also [[Help:Edit conflict#Resolving an edit conflict]]. [[User:Rotideypoc41352|Rotideypoc41352]] ([[User talk:Rotideypoc41352|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contribs/Rotideypoc41352|contribs]]) 19:13, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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: {{re|Digimarksomnath}} IMVHO, when you ask 'how long does it take to become a reliable source' you should ask 'how many years' rather than 'how many days'... (despite all other points raise by other users above). --[[User:CiaPan|CiaPan]] ([[User talk:CiaPan|talk]]) 12:17, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::Tangentially, I prefer to link revisions like so: [[Special:Permalink/cur]], replacing <code>cur</code> with the revision ID (the number after <code>&oldid=</code>). Doing something similar with [[Special:Diff]] shows what was changed from the previous version. [[User:Rotideypoc41352|Rotideypoc41352]] ([[User talk:Rotideypoc41352|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contribs/Rotideypoc41352|contribs]]) 19:20, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Awesome, that is way less clunky. Thanks! [[User:Yaqubroli|<span style="display: inline-block; font-size: 12px; background-color: black; color: white; font-family: monospace; padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 5px; border-radius:3px;">YAQUBROLI</span>]] 19:23, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Question == |
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:Hi again [[User:Digimarksomnath|Digimarksomnath]]. None of the questions your asking have answers that would render the material reliable, except possibly what you would have to "add", but not as I think you intended that question to be answered—what you would need to add is a variety of personnel including people who graduated from university journalism programs, some of them having already worked in the jouralism field for a number of years; editors, fact checkers, copywriters, cameraman, photographers, a legal staff, etc. – who then started producing actually reliable material which would result in a feedback loop, the site's ''actual reliability'' would become more and more widely known because of its quality which woudl translate to a reputation for reliability and so on, until it reached a critical mass, and eventually it'd be ''The News''©℠®™℗.--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] ([[User talk:Fuhghettaboutit|talk]]) 22:44, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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: {{Re|Digimarksomnath}} How long has ''The Times of India'' been around? How many people do they have working for them, what are their jobs, and how does that contribute to their reliability? In other words, make your site a proper news organization as recognized by the readers it should aim to serve. Once it is recognized that way, people (not you) may start citing it in articles here, and there will no doubt be discussions about whether it is a reliable source. People making the argument for reliability will be able to point to your site's track record of good reporting and qualified editors, fact-checkers, etc., and (hopefully) successfully make the argument that it's reliable. The more you, as the owner, attempt to promote it, the harder that argument for reliability is to make, since it appears that you simply want to attract more "eyeballs" by using Wikipedia to promote your site. That's [[WP:NOTPROMO|not what we're here for]]. <span style="color:red">—[</span>[[User:AlanM1|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:green">Alan</span><span style="color:blue">M</span><span style="color:purple">1</span>]] ([[User talk:AlanM1|talk]])<span style="color:red">]—</span> 18:54, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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If an editor makes several blatantly RGW arguments for removing sections of content, refuses to read sources contradicting his arguments on the grounds that {{tq|I have been editing in this area for years and am very confident that no source exists}} and then states that what he really wants is for this article to redirect to a completely different article but that since he can’t do that he’s instead {{tq|grinding out this same debate one passage at a time until the article is empty.}} but also that he doesn’t want to, and would much rather {{tq|save ourselves some time and just do the redirect}}, |
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== Help with creating a good article == |
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Does that become a conduct issue? [[User:Snokalok|Snokalok]] ([[User talk:Snokalok|talk]]) 19:57, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Hi everyone, a few days ago I've written a page about [[Bihać Operation]], and I want to nominate it for a [[Wikipedia:Good articles|good article]] but it still needs to be improved before I do that. |
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:@[[User:Snokalok|Snokalok]], [[Talk:21st-century_anti-trans_movement_in_the_United_Kingdom#NPOV|the ongoing discussion]] is about a contentious topic. I don't see any ''conduct'' issues in the discussion, just very strong opinions on both sides. It does seem as though you've cherry-picked quotes out of context; for example, the full sentence was {{tq|But I've got very little interest in grinding out this same debate one passage at a time until the article is empty.}} I recommend that you all continue to work through the issue via discussion. You can see [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution]] for other options. [[User:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#066293;">'''Schazjmd'''</span>]] [[User talk:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#738276;">''(talk)''</span>]] 20:12, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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The page met all [[Wikipedia:Content assessment/B-Class criteria|B-class criteria]] except for grammar, I'd really appreciate if someone who is a native English speaker could copyedit the article. I would also love to hear other suggestions for improving the article so it can meet good article criteria. Thanks! [[User:OakMapping|OakMapping]] ([[User talk:OakMapping|talk]]) 12:38, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::@[[User:Schazjmd|Schazjmd]] The fuller quote was {{tq|But I've got very little interest in grinding out this same debate one passage at a time until the article is empty. We could save ourselves some time and just do the redirect.}}, operative phrase being “we could save ourselves some time and just do the redirect”, implying that is still the course of |
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:{{u|OakMapping}}, welcome to the Teahouse - please file a Request on the Guild of Copy Editors Request Page [[WP:GOCER]] . [[User:CommanderWaterford|CommanderWaterford]] ([[User talk:CommanderWaterford|talk]]) 12:51, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::action being pursued and that, one way or another, the result is the same. |
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::Alright, thanks for helping me out. [[User:OakMapping|OakMapping]] ([[User talk:OakMapping|talk]]) 18:32, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::Regardless, my assessments have been wrong before, hence why I ask here instead of at ANI [[User:Snokalok|Snokalok]] ([[User talk:Snokalok|talk]]) 20:17, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::The even fuller quote is {{tq|The bold move would be to redirect this article to [[Gender-critical feminism]] on [[WP:POVFORK]] grounds. Since I expect that would be immediately reverted, I am attempting to gain consensus first. It's good if you now agree that the passage in question is inappropriate and can be removed. But I've got very little interest in grinding out this same debate one passage at a time until the article is empty. We could save ourselves some time and just do the redirect. What do you think?}} {{pb}}I would not recommending going to ANI with this, @[[User:Snokalok|Snokalok]]. [[User:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#066293;">'''Schazjmd'''</span>]] [[User talk:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#738276;">''(talk)''</span>]] 20:22, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Would like some feedback == |
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I am a native English speaker, I will do my best to fix any grammar mistakes.[[User:KommanderC|KommanderC]] ([[User talk:KommanderC|talk]]) 16:29, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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I have just, well you could say, abusing the recent changes page for things i need to revert. I've done my first few and it's going very quickly reverting all these users. Thoughts? [[User:千乇丨丂ㄒㄚ尺ㄖㄖ丂ㄒ乇尺|千乇丨丂ㄒㄚ尺ㄖㄖ丂ㄒ乇尺]] ([[User talk:千乇丨丂ㄒㄚ尺ㄖㄖ丂ㄒ乇尺|talk]]) 20:13, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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A problem I am encountering is a problem with redundancy. I would maybe replace some of the "Bihac Operation"s with things like "Battle", "Military engagement", "Conflict", or something else. there is also what I feel is unnecessary background info on the battalions. You can create stub articles on the battalions for the basic info, instead of putting it on the Bihac Operation article. I am exited to see this get nominated. Good luck! Best regards- KommanderC[[User:KommanderC|KommanderC]] ([[User talk:KommanderC|talk]]) 17:06, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{u|KommanderC}} Thanks a lot for your help and suggestions. I will remove some unnecessary info about the brigades and create separate articles for them. Regarding the issue of redundancy, feel free to replace "Bihac Operation"s with other words wherever you see fit. Again, thanks for helping me out. Cheers! [[User:OakMapping|OakMapping]] ([[User talk:OakMapping|talk]]) 18:49, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:I don't see anything wrong with that and I have no knowledge of any Wikipedia guideline articles discouraging/forbidding those actions. I, myself, have done the same before multiple times and I know a couple of Users doing the same thing as well. [[User:Ivebeenhacked|Hacked]] ([[User talk:Ivebeenhacked|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Ivebeenhacked|Contribs]]) 20:19, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Another subpage == |
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::Thank you very much. [[User:千乇丨丂ㄒㄚ尺ㄖㄖ丂ㄒ乇尺|千乇丨丂ㄒㄚ尺ㄖㄖ丂ㄒ乇尺]] ([[User talk:千乇丨丂ㄒㄚ尺ㄖㄖ丂ㄒ乇尺|talk]]) 20:34, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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How to get another subpage to my userpage? I would like to have another sandbox (whatever you them). '''[[User:Ken Tony Peter|''<span style="color:#A70042;">Ken</span> <span style="color:#004C99;">Tony</span>'']]''' [[User talk:Ken Tony Peter|'''''<sup>Shall we discuss?</sup>''''']] 13:55, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:Hello, @[[User:千乇丨丂ㄒㄚ尺ㄖㄖ丂ㄒ乇尺|千乇丨丂ㄒㄚ尺ㄖㄖ丂ㄒ乇尺]]. What you're doing is actually encouraged and quite the noble act. Patrolling recent changes is a very efficient strategy to fighting vandalism. If you wish, you can download some tools like [[WP:Twinkle]] or [[WP:Ultraviolet]] to make this process even quicker. Those scripts also give you options to [[wp:warn|warn]] problematic editors in the hopes of preventing future disruptive editing.{{pb}}If you continue this process for a month, successfully reverting and warning vandals with those tools, you can request to get [[Wp:Rollback]] permissions at [[WP:RFP/R]]. Just keep in mind, the goal of reverting vandalism is not a race against other patrollers. Be slow and cautious if need be. Thank you for joining the fight against vandalism! [[User:Tarlby|<span style="color:cyan;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">''Tarl''</span><span style="color:orange;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">''by''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Tarlby|''t'']]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tarlby|''c'']])</sup> 20:50, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{u|Ken Tony Peter}}, welcome to the Teahouse. You can create new subpages by appending a text string after your user page. |
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::WE STAND UNITED AGAINST VANDALISM! [[User:千乇丨丂ㄒㄚ尺ㄖㄖ丂ㄒ乇尺|千乇丨丂ㄒㄚ尺ㄖㄖ丂ㄒ乇尺]] ([[User talk:千乇丨丂ㄒㄚ尺ㄖㄖ丂ㄒ乇尺|talk]]) 20:52, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:For example, if you're doing it in your browser's address bar: {{xt|<nowiki>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/</nowiki>'''User:Tenryuu/Example'''}} |
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:::Lol. [[User:Tarlby|<span style="color:cyan;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">''Tarl''</span><span style="color:orange;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">''by''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Tarlby|''t'']]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tarlby|''c'']])</sup> 20:53, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::::Yeah I can be a bit chaotic sometimes xD [[User:千乇丨丂ㄒㄚ尺ㄖㄖ丂ㄒ乇尺|千乇丨丂ㄒㄚ尺ㄖㄖ丂ㄒ乇尺]] ([[User talk:千乇丨丂ㄒㄚ尺ㄖㄖ丂ㄒ乇尺|talk]]) 20:53, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::{{u|Tenryuu}} Thanks dude. '''[[User:Ken Tony Peter|''<span style="color:#A70042;">Ken</span> <span style="color:#004C99;">Tony</span>'']]''' [[User talk:Ken Tony Peter|'''''<sup>Shall we discuss?</sup>''''']] 14:48, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:::::I put the humorous userbox on my user page [[User:千乇丨丂ㄒㄚ尺ㄖㄖ丂ㄒ乇尺|千乇丨丂ㄒㄚ尺ㄖㄖ丂ㄒ乇尺]] ([[User talk:千乇丨丂ㄒㄚ尺ㄖㄖ丂ㄒ乇尺|talk]]) 20:53, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Hello, I've made an [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Bushbury_North&diff=prev&oldid=1264843052 edit] and I was wondering if the sources that I added justify removal of the “This article '''does not [[Wikipedia:Citing sources|cite]] any [[Wikipedia:Verifiability|sources]]'''. Please help [[Special:EditPage/Bushbury North|improve this article]] by [[Help:Referencing for beginners|adding citations to reliable sources]]” template at the top of the article? Also, are my sources good? I read [[Help:Maintenance template removal]]. [[User:Samolukadjo|Samolukadjo]] ([[User talk:Samolukadjo|talk]]) 21:03, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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I have added New User Template on my account. However I am unable to write anything in that. Would request someone to explain me how it works and how to use it. Thank you. [[User:Stanford113|Stanford113]] ([[User talk:Stanford113|talk]]) 14:47, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{u|Stanford113}}, welcome to the Teahouse. {{tl|New user}} only asks for an image (which is optional) in its parameters. Anything you add after it will appear under the "About me" section. —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu 🐲</span>]] ( [[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]] ) 15:20, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:Since you have cited sources, the template has done its job and now it should be removed. (Or it could be replaced by [[Template:More citations needed|this template]]). [[User:Ivebeenhacked|Hacked]] ([[User talk:Ivebeenhacked|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Ivebeenhacked|Contribs]]) 21:09, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Draft:Yu-Chen Wang Submission declined == |
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== Username question == |
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Dear Teahouse |
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Unfortunately my article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Yu-Chen_Wang has not been accepted. I can't see why it wouldn't not show enough significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. |
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There is still more to be written about this artist, of course, but I thought there were enough references to proof they qualify for a Wikipedia article. What is missing? |
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Kind regards, thanks for your help! [[User:Sabine Hagmann|Sabine Hagmann]] ([[User talk:Sabine Hagmann|talk]]) 15:03, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{u|Sabine Hagmann}}, welcome to the Teahouse. I did not a review bc I am personally not confident with [[WP:NARTIST]] but I saw directly for example given sources like Facebook which are none at all - you can also ask the Reviewer directly what their reasons might have been {{u|MurielMary}}. [[User:CommanderWaterford|CommanderWaterford]] ([[User talk:CommanderWaterford|talk]]) 16:44, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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Hi there! I've bumped into a user whose name includes "42069". I checked through the username policy, and I'm not sure if this is the sort of thing that ought to be reported anyplace? Would it be considered "inappropriate" enough? |
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== Draft:Young_In_Hong Submission declined == |
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The user showed up about a week ago, tried to upload and insert a couple of copyrighted images (deleted and reverted, respectively), and hasn't done anything since, so it's not really an immediate need - this is mostly for my own curiosity if a situation like this pops up in the future. [[User:NekoKatsun|NekoKatsun]] ([[User talk:NekoKatsun|nyaa]]) 21:52, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Dear Teahouse |
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:{{nacc}} {{ping|NekoKatsun}} I don't think strings of numbers are prohibited from being used in usernames, unless perhaps when read aloud they're something really vulgar that pretty much most people would clearly understand and find offensive. Even if this particular string of numbers means what Google says it can mean, I don't think that it meets such a standard. You can, however, ask for administrator input at [[:WP:AN]] or [[:WP:UAA]] if you want, but it's probably better to just ignore it. If the account resumes editing and starts creating problems unreleated to its name, then you can seek administrator action because of that. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 22:29, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Unfortunately my other article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Young_In_Hong has not been accepted either. |
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::I'm pretty sure they do indeed mean what Google says they do, and I can recall at least one instance where someone faced a lot of heat for having, ostensibly, the last two digits of their birth year in their username, which just so happened to be 88 (a white supremacist thing). I wanted to err on the side of caution. |
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Here too, I don't understand why ''it's not clear that she satisfies WP:ARTIST''. |
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::Since they're not doing anything I'll ignore, although that username sure won't do them any favors if they start back up with their copyright problems. Thanks for the reply! [[User:NekoKatsun|NekoKatsun]] ([[User talk:NekoKatsun|nyaa]]) 23:43, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Kind regards, thanks for your help! [[User:Sabine Hagmann|Sabine Hagmann]] ([[User talk:Sabine Hagmann|talk]]) 15:09, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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== How do I get enough credible sources when interviews go beyond webpages but videos, podcasts, etc? == |
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:In order to have an article in English-language Wikipedia, a person must be ''notable'' (as this is understood here). [[WP:ARTIST]] starts: {{DarkRed|Authors, editors, journalists, filmmakers, photographers, artists, architects, and other creative professionals:}}; and I now realize that, when plucked out of context, this makes little sense. Take it to mean {{DarkRed|In order to be considered notable (a requirement for an article), an author, editor, journalist, filmmaker, photographer, <u>artist</u>, architect, or other creative professional must satisfy at least one of the following four:}}. I shan't go through all four; but the first is {{DarkRed|The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors.}} To show this, one doesn't just assert that she's regarded as important or is widely cited; one instead cites a description (from a reliable source) of her as either important or widely cited. (Again, this isn't necessary: it's merely one option among four.) Another possibility is for an artist not to meet any of the four criteria in "WP:ARTIST" but nevertheless to qualify for an article by satisfying some other criterion in [[WP:PERSON]]; however, this is unusual. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 01:21, 16 February 2021 (UTC) <small>....... trivially reworded [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 02:22, 16 February 2021 (UTC)</small> |
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:{{ping|Hoary}} Thank you! -- [[User:Sabine Hagmann|Sabine Hagmann]] <!--Template:Undated--><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 13:20, 16 February 2021 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:{{ping|Sabine Hagmann}} I hope you have a reference for each item in the Artists' Residencies, Awards, and Exhibitions/Performances sections. (Of course, you can use a reference more than once.) Happy editing! [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 02:32, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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== Article has an advisory saying it reads like an advertisement == |
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I am an associate of a living person who is the subject of an article. An editor has put an advisory on the article saying it reads like an advertisement. Can I, as a person who is an associate of the subject, make suggestions on the talk page for how to remove advertisement-like language from the article? [[User:Mking92124|Mking92124]] ([[User talk:Mking92124|talk]]) 16:36, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{u|Mking92124}}, welcome to the Teahouse - just a comment: it might be helpful to name the article so we can have a closer look at it. [[User:CommanderWaterford|CommanderWaterford]] ([[User talk:CommanderWaterford|talk]]) 16:46, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:: The article is about [[Tam O'Shaughnessy]]. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Mking92124|Mking92124]] ([[User talk:Mking92124#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mking92124|contribs]]) </span> |
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::: For clarity, I made this a separate comment and linked. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 16:56, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:::{{u|Mking92124}} You are welcome to make suggestions on the article talk page. Please review [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]] and [[WP:PAID|paid editing]] for information on formal disclosures you may be required to make, depending on what your association is. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 16:57, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:: {{u|331dot}} Thank you for your help. I have put suggestions in the talk area of the Tam O'Shaughnessy article for how to make the language neutral. I have included a disclosure that I have a professional relationship with the subject. Will someone review my suggestions automatically, or do I need to alert someone?[[User:Mking92124|Mking92124]] ([[User talk:Mking92124|talk]]) 17:59, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:::Hello, {{U|Mking92124}}. In general, no, somebody will not necessarily notice your request (though they might this time because of this discussion). If you attach the template {{tl|edit request}} to your request (put it like that, with the double curly brackets) it will get put on the list of requests waiting. It still may not necessarily happen quickly: like everything on Wikipedia, it depends on volunteers, who choose what they are going to work on. --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 18:07, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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== Can Morgan Edge be added the category of fictional american jews. == |
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[[User:Jack1578|Jack1578]] ([[User talk:Jack1578|talk]]) 19:49, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:Only if you can support that statement with a [[WP:RS|reliable source]].--[[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]]|[[User talk:Shantavira|<sup>feed me</sup>]] 19:58, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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: {{re|Jack1578}} If this is about your recent edits to [[Morgan Edge]], then the category you want is [[:Category:Fictional_American_Jews]]. The category you recently added has a typo. Also, as mentioned above, you need to provide sources that support this character is a Jew. [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 20:00, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::{{ping|Jack1578}} I have fixed the category name [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Morgan_Edge&diff=1006969642&oldid=1006960796] and deleted the misnamed [[:Category:Fictional America Jews]]. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 20:22, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::: In action comic #468 Morgan Edge was revealed to be jewish. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Jack1578|Jack1578]] ([[User talk:Jack1578#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jack1578|contribs]]) 21:41, 15 February 2021 (UTC)</span> |
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:::: At [[Special:Diff/1006975742]], {{U|David notMD}} reverted the category addition with the summary {{Tq|A statement in 1977 that his birth name was Morris Edelstein does not guarantee Jewishness}}. {{U|Jack1578}}, is this the basis for your claim{{Snd}} that it's a Jewish-sounding name? Please discuss at [[Talk:Morgan Edge]]. Thanks. <span style="color:red">—[</span>[[User:AlanM1|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:green">Alan</span><span style="color:blue">M</span><span style="color:purple">1</span>]] ([[User talk:AlanM1|talk]])<span style="color:red">]—</span> 19:35, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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== When to move from suggestion on talk page to taking action / making changes to article? == |
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I made a suggestion to change the images on the wikipedia page for [[Truth]] on the [[Talk:Truth#Proposals_for_fixing_the_issue_of_inappropriate_images_in_this_article | talk page]]. The same suggestion had previously been made by at least 2 other editors on the talk page but batted down by other editors on grounds of censorship and as far as I can tell a misreading of Wikipedia's rules and style guide. In my own Talk page entry, I pointed out a number of guidelines on the Wikipedia style guide that were being ignored or broken by the images in the article and a couple of other editors sounded their support for the change I was suggesting as well. |
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Now that a few days has passed with no further activity or opposition to my suggestion, when can it be considered that the change can go forward? [[User:TranquilDragon|TranquilDragon]] ([[User talk:TranquilDragon|talk]]) 20:09, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:I would be [[WP:BOLD]] and make the change and see how people feel about it. If it's reverted, do the [[WP:BRD]] cycle and discuss with the editor about it. [[User:WhoAteMyButter|<span style="color:#ffb300;text-shadow:1px 1px 6px rgba(255,153,0,0.6)">WhoAteMyButter</span>]] ([[User talk:WhoAteMyButter|<span title="Talk Page">📨</span>]]│[[Special:Contributions/WhoAteMyButter|<span title="Contribs">📝</span>]]) 20:23, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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== write new article - specific topic's notability, copyright == |
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I'd like to create new Wikipedia page about Steven Hassan's BITE model (very briefly described on his page), using as main source his book "Freedom of Mind". |
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While I'm pretty sure this is a notable topic, I wonder if there may be a copyright issue, if not what is the limit of using text from his book to explain the BITE model. |
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Thank you. [[User:InukshukBro|InukshukBro]] ([[User talk:InukshukBro|talk]]) 20:35, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:Welcome to Teahouse and thanks for the question. You can visit '''[[Wikipedia:Copyright violations]]''' to learn about copyright violation and related policy on en-wikipedia. Also, go through '''[[WP:YFA|Your first article]]''' for writing guidelines including notability threshold for subjects etc. Thank you. — [[User:Amkgp|Amkgp]] [[User talk:Amkgp|<big>💬</big>]] 20:44, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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I'm trying to write a biography about an important contemporary muralist. His work has been in two Asian Art Museums in addition to murals all over the world and for corporations. He has many interviews; I included some in the citations but they were not accepted. Would love any guidance. Thank you [[User:Rnza45|Rnza45]] ([[User talk:Rnza45|talk]]) 22:29, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:Hello, {{U|InukshukBro}}. I'm afraid that one thing you may not do is to use his book as the main source for an article on his model, because it is a [[WP:primary source|primary source]], and can only be used in limited ways. The bulk of such an article must be based on sources wholly unconnected with Hassan; and if you cannot find enough such independent sources to base the article on, then by definition the model is not [[WP:notable|notable]]. --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 20:57, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::Greetings {{u|InukshukBro}}, and ofc welcome to Wikipedia! I usually just go to google to check if there are [[WP:RS|independent sources]] covering the subject - I especially find google news useful. And looking there, there's a few sources that at least partly mention the "BITE model": [https://www.foxnews.com/media/cult-expert-cnn-american-deprogramming-trump-years Fox News] [https://bylinetimes.com/2020/06/18/veneration-of-donald-trump-is-a-personality-cult/ Byline Times] [https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/01/can-trumps-cult-of-followers-be-deprogrammed Vanity Fair] [https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3754408 Taiwan News] [https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/cult-trump-leading-cult-expert-explains-how-president-uses-mind-control Psychiartic Times]. In combination with the book as a primary source (used sparingly), you might have just barely enough notability for an article (not sure if about the model or the book?) - but it also might just not suffice, and a discussion might determine that it should rather be an expanded section at Hassan's article. |
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::I recommend you follow the advice by Amkgp and ColinFine first, and then revisit the links I have posted here to determine if you want to go ahead with writing that article. Writing an article is hard and takes a lot of time to get right! (While it sounds like an interesting topic, I personally cannot help you with this because I am working on several articles already.) --[[User:LordPeterII|LordPeterII]] ([[User talk:LordPeterII|talk]]) 22:39, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:The AFC reviewer has left a comment saying that, "Submission is about a person not yet shown to meet notability guidelines". Some faults noted by me was the way the sections were displayed and most of the citations were unreliable and not properly generated. There's also no hyperlinks and no infobox. Fixing those faults would probably help your chance for the biography to be accepted. Hope this helps. [[User:Ivebeenhacked|Hacked]] ([[User talk:Ivebeenhacked|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Ivebeenhacked|Contribs]]) 22:49, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== KCTU-LD's Affiliation with MeTV == |
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:Hello, @[[User:Rnza45|Rnza45]], and welcome to the Teahouse. |
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:You have made several common beginners' errors: you have created your draft on your user page, which is not the right place for it. You have written your draft [[WP:BACKWARDS|BACKWARDS]] (writing from what you know, and then looking for sources) - Wikipedia doesn't care what you know: it only cares what independent reliable sources say about the subject. And {{HD/WINI}} So interviews don't count towards establishing [[WP:notability|notability]]. |
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:There's nothing wrong with making mistakes: that's how we all learn. But newcomers who plunge straight into the challenging task of crating a new article often get frustrated and disillusioned. And it's even harder when you have a conflict of interest (thank you for declaring that). |
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:{{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}} [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 23:10, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::Thank you for the thorough reply. Where is the correct place to write a draft? |
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::I don’t know why you think I cited sources backwards; I didn’t start that way. I did go back after I thought I needed more outside sources. I did look up what Wikipedia considers reliable sources, but I need to understand this better. I thought I went back and added, but they still dont seem to meet the criteria. I pulled from LA Times, ABC News, NPR, art websites and a local wiki. |
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::I did not write the article about myself. [[Special:Contributions/2603:8000:7300:CB21:AC86:1F37:7217:3A5D|2603:8000:7300:CB21:AC86:1F37:7217:3A5D]] ([[User talk:2603:8000:7300:CB21:AC86:1F37:7217:3A5D|talk]]) 00:36, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::The correct place to write a draft is [[WP:Article Wizard]]. [[User:Ivebeenhacked|Hacked]] ([[User talk:Ivebeenhacked|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Ivebeenhacked|Contribs]]) 00:38, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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I have moved the draft to [[Draft:Dave Young Kim]], [[User:Rnza45|Rnza45]]. Please remove the CoI template from it, and affix the former to your user page. |
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Guys, I looked In [[MeTV#Affiliates]], and it says that MeTV started on [[KCTU-LD]] in 2011, while it says 2010 on The KCTU-LD Wikipedia Article itself. Does anyone know when MeTV started it's affiliation with KCTU-LD, because I'm confused with the Dates. [[User:LooneyTraceYT|LooneyTraceYT]] ([[User talk:LooneyTraceYT|talk]]) 20:47, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:Hello, {{U|LooneyTraceYT}}. As always, the answer is, look at the sources. The 2011 date is sourced, the 2010 is not, so Wikipedia prefers the 2011 date. The source is not ideal - it's MeTV's Facebook, which counts as [[WP:RS|reliable]] because it appears to be the official account of one of the parties, but is [[WP:primary|primary]]; but for things like dates, primary sources are usually acceptable. So a reliable secondary source would be preferable. Since that post was from early January, it wouldn't surprise me if the agreement had been announced in the press in 2010, but taken effect at the beginning of 2011. --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 21:08, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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You tell us that: |
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== Quick Question: Edit Conflict - other editor reverted their own talk page entry == |
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:Kim's artwork engages with the intangible quality of home and explores themes of nostalgia, war, conflict, and displacement. By incorporating cultural motifs into personal and broader histories of struggle, he examines the universal search for belonging across diverse conditions. |
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Greetings, |
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And you add a reference pointing to a page of Kim's website. But this is evaluative: we need a source independent of Kim to tell us that he actually explores such-and-such (and doesn't merely glance at it and hurry away). Also, this sounds curiously like PR-speak. I wondered what Kim actually wrote. Here it is: |
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I have a quick question: Another editor has just reverted their own edit at a talk page discussion, and I am getting an edit conflict with my answer to them. |
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What is the best practice in this case? Should I restore their post and somehow mark it as retracted? Should I just post my answer without theirs (which might confuse others)? Should I not post my carefully crafted response at all, even though I believe it would benefit the discussion? |
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:His work engages with the intangible quality of home and explores themes of nostalgia, war, conflict, and displacement. By interpolating cultural motifs into personal and larger histories of struggle, Kim explores the unifying search for belonging across disparate conditions. |
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Feels a bit weird because I do not want to meddle in someone else's talk page responses. |
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-- [[User:LordPeterII|LordPeterII]] ([[User talk:LordPeterII|talk]]) 21:18, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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: {{re|LordPeterII}} I would not restore the edit they reverted. If your comment is useful to the discussion, then just reword it so that it does not depend on being a reply to the previous post. [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 21:34, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::This really depends on the specific context, but generally RudolfRed's suggestion sounds like the way to go. <span style="color:#AAA"><small>{{u|</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088">[[User:Sdkb|<span style="color:#FFF">'''Sdkb'''</span>]]</span><small>}}</small></span> <sup>[[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']]</sup> 21:41, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:::Thanks, those were quick answers! I managed to rephrase it so it doesn't rely on the previous post, and instead becomes an addendum to my own. I guess if that would have impossible, I might have asked again; but I agree this is the best solution. --[[User:LordPeterII|LordPeterII]] ([[User talk:LordPeterII|talk]]) 22:15, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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So it's just a copy 'n' paste job, with minor changes. If a quotation would benefit a draft, then it must be in quotation marks (and square brackets should make clear any changes that have been made to it). -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 03:57, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Biography for Cubanlynk == |
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:COI tag moved to your User page. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 04:06, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::Thank you! [[Special:Contributions/2603:8000:7300:CB21:B9F0:228F:2F05:87F5|2603:8000:7300:CB21:B9F0:228F:2F05:87F5]] ([[User talk:2603:8000:7300:CB21:B9F0:228F:2F05:87F5|talk]]) 22:04, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== "Content not properly deflated" sign == |
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Im seeking assistance in creating a Biography on Wikipedia for Musician Cubanlynk [[User:Josephclarke17|Josephclarke17]] ([[User talk:Josephclarke17|talk]]) 22:17, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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I have gotten this sign several times during editing, idk why or how it came to be. Please help [[User:Wentwort12|Wentwort12]] ([[User talk:Wentwort12|talk]]) 23:04, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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{{Courtesy link|Draft:Cubanlynk}} |
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:I've never seen such a message, @[[User:Wentwort12|Wentwort12]]. Could you describe (step by step) what you did, on what page(s), and how the message displayed? [[User:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#066293;">'''Schazjmd'''</span>]] [[User talk:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#738276;">''(talk)''</span>]] 23:21, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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: {{re|Josephclarke17}} I recommend you start by following the guidance at [[WP:YFA]]. The first thing you need to do is determine if the subject is notable, such as by meeting the guidelines at [[WP:NMUSIC]]. If it does, then continue by finding reliable sources and then writing the text of the article in a non-promotional, neutral way. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a venue for promotion. [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::first I edit like I always do, I prefer to edit visually, so I want to put an image and caption into the article, that's it and then I clicked publish and this sign popped up "Content provided is not properly deflated" so I was unable to make such edit. |
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::this page and several others |
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::[[John Campbell, 5th Duke of Argyll]] [[User:Wentwort12|Wentwort12]] ([[User talk:Wentwort12|talk]]) 00:17, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::@[[User:Wentwort12|Wentwort12]] This sounds like [[phab:T381673]] which was reported somewhat recently. Can you confirm what browser (including version) you were using when you saw the error? [[User:AntiCompositeNumber|AntiCompositeNumber]] ([[User talk:AntiCompositeNumber|talk]]) 04:20, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::::Safari version 16.5.2, yeah it used to be fine but recently it's not maybe 2 weeks give or take [[User:Wentwort12|Wentwort12]] ([[User talk:Wentwort12|talk]]) 06:57, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Britannica books Pre 2012 == |
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How would a person attain copy's of all Encyclopaedia sets printed since 1768? [[User:Jarrod Samuel Burchett|Jarrod Samuel Burchett]] ([[User talk:Jarrod Samuel Burchett|talk]]) 01:02, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:Hello, {{u|Jarrod Samuel Burchett}}! The Teahouse is a place to ask about editing Wikipedia specifically. If you have other general knowledge questions, try asking at [[WP:Reference Desk|the Reference Desk]], where editors who work in that area can help you. Happy editing, [[User:Perfect4th|Perfect4th]] ([[User talk:Perfect4th|talk]]) 01:37, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::{{u|Jarrod Samuel Burchett}}. Find a rare books dealer who specializes in encyclopedias. Fly to their nearest airport. Take the rare books dealer out to breakfast, lunch and dinner and buy drinks after dinner. Then, make a generous offer on what they have. Rinse and repeat. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 07:32, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Yeah. Hopefully the OP has a substantial 5-figure sum available. A set of the 1773 First London Edition is currently advertised on Ebay for £16,436.25, and there have been (at least) 15 printed editions since [[Encyclopædia Britannica|the 1768–71 original]] (the abovementioned "London Edition" is not one of them), ignoring the updates added in every reprint of a volume from 1933 and the pirated editions, such as the Thomas Dobson (Philadelphia) of 1790. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} [[Special:Contributions/94.1.223.204|94.1.223.204]] ([[User talk:94.1.223.204|talk]]) 14:40, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::::@[[User:Jarrod Samuel Burchett|Jarrod Samuel Burchett]] On the other hand, the ninth edition in full is freely available at [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica,_Ninth_Edition Wikisource]. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 14:45, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Tools == |
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Thanks, i hope there's someone here that is willing to write the article for me , that knows the guidelines and how to write a proper article for wikipedia |
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I have the rater and auto-ed scripts installed but they don't show up in my more tab. I use Vector Legacy. Does anyone know how to fix this. [[User:History6042|History6042]] ([[User talk:History6042|talk]]) 01:33, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:Hello, {{U|Josephclarke17}}. You replied in the right place, but it would be helpful if you sign every time you post on a discussion page, as you did your original question. |
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:@[[User:History6042|History6042]] do they appear on the left side of the screen, under "tools"? <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace">'''<nowiki>'''[[</nowiki>[[User:CanonNi]]<nowiki>]]'''</nowiki>'''</span> ([[User talk:CanonNi|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CanonNi|contribs]])</span> 05:16, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:There are two parts to getting somebody to write an article: the easy bit is asking - you've done so here, and a formal place to ask is at [[WP:requested articles|requested articles]]. The harder part is motivating somebody to do so - we're all volunteers here, and work on what we choose. So you need to catch somebody's interest. You are ''much'' more likely to do that if you first do the spade work, of finding the references - read the links that RudolfRed gave you. Then, assuming you find sufficient references that meet all three of the criteria: [[WP:RS|reliably published]], [[WP:independent|independent]] (so nothing published by the artist, their publishers, producers, labels or agents, or based on interviews or press releases from any of these, and no sites whose purpose is selling), and containing [[WP:significant coverage|significant coverage]] of the artist - otherwise stop wasting your time - I suggest looking for a [[WP:WikiProject|WikiProject]] that is relevant, and asking there. --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 23:26, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::No they do not. [[User:History6042|History6042]] ([[User talk:History6042|talk]]) 14:10, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::[[User:CanonNi]], I checked all the skins but still none of them show up. [[User:History6042|History6042]] ([[User talk:History6042|talk]]) 19:51, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:If you are using the new skin [[WP:VECTOR2022]], its on the right or in a dropdown at top right. [[User:Ca|Ca]] <i><sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;">[[User talk:Ca|talk to me!]]</sup></i> 08:16, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::I switched to 2022 but it still doesn't show up. [[User:History6042|History6042]] ([[User talk:History6042|talk]]) 14:10, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Submission declined because subject already exists. == |
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::– for additional guidance read [[Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons]] – cheers, [[User:Epinoia|Epinoia]] ([[User talk:Epinoia|talk]]) 16:46, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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What to do? My draft ([[Draft:Cyclopygoidea]]) has been declined because [[Cyclopygidae]] exists, but my draft encompasses more than just that family, how should I proceed? [[User:Abdullah raji|Abdullah raji]] ([[User talk:Abdullah raji|talk]]) 05:03, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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'''Update''': It appears that the draft has been speedily deleted for unambiguous advertising or promotion. —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu 🐲</span>]] ( [[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]] ) 16:58, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:@[[User:Abdullah raji|Abdullah raji]] you can [[Help:Merge|merge]] the contents of your draft into the existing article. <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace">'''<nowiki>'''[[</nowiki>[[User:CanonNi]]<nowiki>]]'''</nowiki>'''</span> ([[User talk:CanonNi|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CanonNi|contribs]])</span> 05:14, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::{{u|Abdullah raji}}, you can also start by writing more than three sentences about the topic, whatever it is. Certainly, a "superfamily" deserves more than three basic sentences. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 07:10, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== How "good" does a user essay have to be for it to be able to be moved to project space? == |
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== Use transparency on small font sample or use white background? == |
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I've recently gotten into the habit of writing user essays so that newcomers and medium-level editors alike can learn something new. I've been wondering - how good would the essay have to be before it can be moved into project space? For example, my favourite essay is [[User:Someone-123-321/Essays/Meditation is the best kind of COOLing down|my one about meditating to COOL down]] but I have no idea what the criteria for moving a user essay even is. [[User:Someone-123-321]] (I [[Special:Contributions/Someone-123-321|contribute]], [[User talk:Someone-123-321|Talk page so SineBot will shut up]]) 07:23, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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I've made and uploaded a sample of a typeface to commons. The background is white, and I was wondering if it would be better to make the background transparent. The characters themselves are '''very''' small ''(16x16)'' so I don't know how it would display in transparency on mobile devices. |
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:Hello, {{u|Someone-123-321}}. The only requirement for moving an essay from userspace to Wikipedia space is that no one objects. Your essay reflects your own view that may not be and probably isn't shared by most other editors. Your definition of meditation is somewhat inclusive but is deeply biased by claiming that editing Wikipedia cannot possibly be a form of meditation. Sez who? Are you trying to tell me that chanting {{tpq|Namu Myōhō Renge Kyō}} 100,000 times or chanting {{tpq|Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare}} 100,000 times is meditation, but my meditation practice of thoughtfully editing Wikipedia 100,000 times is illegitimate? You confidently assert that meditation requires {{tpq|stepping away from editing Wikipedia while you do it}} while my meditation practice requires stepping into level headed and thoughtful Wikipedia editing. So, should Wikipedia space host essays that many editors believe to be completely incorrect? Perhaps you can write another essay on that dilemma. Or perhaps you can improve a free encyclopedia article, which is, in my opinion, the greatest form of meditation known to humanity. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 08:31, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Should I replace the white background version with a transparent background, or let it be? [[User:WhoAteMyButter|<span style="color:#ffb300;text-shadow:1px 1px 6px rgba(255,153,0,0.6)">WhoAteMyButter</span>]] ([[User talk:WhoAteMyButter|<span title="Talk Page">📨</span>]]│[[Special:Contributions/WhoAteMyButter|<span title="Contribs">📝</span>]]) 22:19, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::Sorry for not elaborating. I meant "editing Wikipedia articles which caused you to meditate in the first place" - i.e "don't edit articles you know will make you angrier" [[User:Someone-123-321]] (I [[Special:Contributions/Someone-123-321|contribute]], [[User talk:Someone-123-321|Talk page so SineBot will shut up]]) 09:00, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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: {{re|WhoAteMyButter}} If you don't get an answer here after some time, then consider asking at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Accessibility]] if there are any accessibility considerations here. [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 00:39, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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== Editing == |
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== Am I allowed to make a rant on Wikipedia and post it on Wikipedia? == |
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How can I include photos to a page I want [[User:Dissainkabi|Dissainkabi]] ([[User talk:Dissainkabi|talk]]) 07:37, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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: {{re|JennilyW}} No. Wikipedia is not a blog or a soapbox. See [[WP:NOT]] [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 22:57, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:I meant to say how can I include photos to a page [[User:Dissainkabi|Dissainkabi]] ([[User talk:Dissainkabi|talk]]) 07:38, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::Hi, [[Help:Pictures]] is a step-by-step guide to adding one. Just make sure to read the note about copyright as most images on the internet prohibit sharing. See [[Wikipedia:IUP]] [[User:Ca|Ca]] <i><sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;">[[User talk:Ca|talk to me!]]</sup></i> 08:21, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::Conversely, see [[WP:NOESSAY]]. [[User:WhoAteMyButter|<span style="color:#ffb300;text-shadow:1px 1px 6px rgba(255,153,0,0.6)">WhoAteMyButter</span>]] ([[User talk:WhoAteMyButter|<span title="Talk Page">📨</span>]]│[[Special:Contributions/WhoAteMyButter|<span title="Contribs">📝</span>]]) 23:45, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:::Thank you! [[User:Dissainkabi|Dissainkabi]] ([[User talk:Dissainkabi|talk]]) 10:52, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== খসড়া পাতা পর্যালোচনা == |
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:Also, depending, possibly on your userpage. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 08:33, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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আমার খসড়া পাতা (https://bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A6%96%E0%A6%B8%E0%A6%A1%E0%A6%BC%E0%A6%BE:%E0%A6%AE%E0%A7%81%E0%A7%81%E0%A6%B9%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%AC%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%AC%E0%A7%81%E0%A6%B2_%E0%A6%B9%E0%A6%95) দ্রুত পর্যালোচনা করার অনুরোধ জানাচ্ছি। এটি পর্যালোচকদের মানদণ্ড পূরণ করে বলে মনে করি। [[User:Jahangir Rayhan|Jahangir Rayhan]] ([[User talk:Jahangir Rayhan|talk]]) 10:29, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Help - How To Undo Last edit to New page that has still not been submitted or published? == |
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:[[User:Jahangir Rayhan|Jahangir Rayhan]] This is the English Wikipedia - Questions about the Bengali Wikipedia must be raised there - Their Teahouse is at [https://bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A6%89%E0%A6%87%E0%A6%95%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%AA%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%A1%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%AF%E0%A6%BC%E0%A6%BE:%E0%A6%9A%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%98%E0%A6%B0] [[User:Arjayay|Arjayay]] ([[User talk:Arjayay|talk]]) 10:34, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::thanks [[User:Jahangir Rayhan|Jahangir Rayhan]] ([[User talk:Jahangir Rayhan|talk]]) 10:41, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Reason for Rejection of Sunnah Muwakkadah Article == |
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How can I undo my very last edit to a NEW page I am working on? I accidentally deleted a couple of paragraphs while creating a new page, before publishing it, and I would like to just "undo" or revert to last version. All help says to click on the "view history" tab, however that option does not appear in the "new" page I am working on. [[User:CBrookUM|CBrookUM]] ([[User talk:CBrookUM|talk]]) 01:43, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:I don't notice any major subtractions among your recent edits, and therefore wonder if you really did what you believe you did. Anyway, in order to go back to any earlier version, view the article in the normal way, click on "History" (under "This page"), click the time/date of the version that you want to revert to, check to make sure that this really ''is'' the version you want, and click "Edit this page". (You will not be able to edit only part of it.) You'll be warned that you're about to edit an old version. Don't edit it; simply save it as it is, with an explanatory edit summary. Make any needed changes in a subsequent edit or series of edits. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 02:19, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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To clarify, I am not trying to edit an already published page. I am in the process of creating a "New" page, that I have NOT published yet. As I was creating the New page I accidentally deleted some significant content that I had created for the page. All I am trying to do is "Undo" my very last action. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:CBrookUM|CBrookUM]] ([[User talk:CBrookUM#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CBrookUM|contribs]]) 03:12, 16 February 2021 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:{{ping|CBrookUM}} If you didn't click the [Publish page] button, then Wikipedia doesn't have any record of the page. Maybe your browser would recognize CTRL-Z to undo? [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 03:46, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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== help from[[User talk:Tom (LT)|my talk page]] == |
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4th Decline for Agantukaya. |
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I am a beginner and trying to do an article. struggling with footnotes. Read footnotes section for beginners and has taken a easy way out and reduced the content from the initial write up. but still rejected. can you please tell me how to improve further. Thank you [[User:Agantukaya|Agantukaya]] ([[User talk:Agantukaya|talk]]) 02:55, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:Courtesy: [[Draft:Senaka Rajapakse]], and it has been Declined, not Rejected. Yes, you need to learn to reference properly. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 03:55, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|Agantukaya}} See the documentation at [[Template:Cite web]] to help you with [[Draft:Senaka Rajapakse]]. In each reference, the {{para|title}} should be the title of the web page or journal article or book, not "Professor" or "Dr." The {{para|last}} and {{para|first}} parameters should be the name of the author of the web page or journal article or book - hopefully Rajapakse did not write every reference you provided. [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 03:57, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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Thank you very much GoingBatty [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]] that makes lot of sense. will edit.Bless you. [[User:Agantukaya|Agantukaya]] ([[User talk:Agantukaya|talk]]) 16:40, 16 February 2021 (UTC) <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Agantukaya|Agantukaya]] ([[User talk:Agantukaya#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Agantukaya|contribs]]) 04:04, 16 February 2021 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBo |
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== Edits to [[Susan Lontine]] == |
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I recently posted an Article on Sunnah Muwakkadah. I used correct citations. And I created the Article by myself and I cited Sunnah.com links. But for some reason it has been rejected pls inquiry the situatio. |
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Thanks [[User:Enter your Log|Enter your Log]] ([[User talk:Enter your Log|talk]]) 10:41, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:@[[User:Enter your Log|Enter your Log]] Did you read the comment at the top of the declined (not "rejected") draft at [[Draft:Sunnah_Muwakkadah]]? Wikipedia articles are based on multiple references to [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] independent of the topic. As far as I can tell, sunnah.com is just a website that provides access to Islamic texts, without detailed commentary. You need to find independent scholarly work that describes these prayers. Also, please follow Wikipedia's [[WP:MOS|manual of style]] regarding the formatting of references (see [[WP:REFB|this guidance]]) and note that we don't use the honorific ﷺ. That's explained at [[WP:PHUB]]. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 10:54, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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I'm new to Wikipedia, and I've been attempting to get some practice with the basic editing process by updating articles for Colorado and Wyoming state representatives. I have not added any political commentary, only electoral history. However, my edits to [[Susan Lontine]], adding information about the 2018 and 2020 elections, were recently reverted. The editor who reverted my edits notified me through my talk page, and told me that they do not "appear constructive". Where did I go wrong? [[User:Screechybird1|Screechybird1]] ([[User talk:Screechybird1|talk]]) 05:33, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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== To add more references == |
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:Each of four assertions was referenced. You removed three of the four references, as duplications. All four references were indeed identical, and your version was less cumbersome than what it replaced. However, it was also less informative: Why should the reader believe that the three unreferenced assertions are factually based? What you should have done was rather different: Change any one of the four instances (preferably the first) of {{DarkRed|<nowiki><ref>{{cite web|title=Susan Lontine|url=https://ballotpedia.org/Susan_Lontine|website=Ballotpedia|accessdate=February 15, 2021}}</ref></nowiki>}} to {{DarkRed|<nowiki><ref name="ballotpedia">{{cite web|title=Susan Lontine|url=https://ballotpedia.org/Susan_Lontine|website=Ballotpedia|accessdate=February 15, 2021}}</ref></nowiki>}}, and change each of the other three to {{DarkRed|<nowiki><ref name="ballotpedia" /></nowiki>}}. (I've used the name "ballotpedia", but this could be any word or pseudoword as long as you're consistent.) This would result in a single reference cited in four places. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 06:27, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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Is it necessary to add more references to make it clearer and properly cited, if possible? [[User:DerryGer120|DerryGer120]] ([[User talk:DerryGer120|talk]]) 12:29, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Wikipedia Thesis Research == |
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:@[[User:DerryGer120|DerryGer120]] Welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, it’s always helpful to add references to support statements which might be challenged. They do need to be reliable ones, as defined [[WP:HERE|HERE]]. [[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] ([[User talk:Nick Moyes|talk]]) 12:38, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Hello! I'm a new wp user and I'm very sorry in advance if I'm not supposed to use the Teahouse platform in this way. I'm a senior design student at Parsons and am doing my thesis on wikipedia and disinformation. I was wondering if I could find someone to interview about being a Wikipedian and their thoughts on how WP has progressed over the past 20 years? Or point me to a social media group that I could dm instead? Again, very sorry this isn't an editing question. Happy to take this post down if it's inappropriate. [[User:Hotplates|Hotplates]] ([[User talk:Hotplates|talk]]) 07:10, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::However, over-referencing can be a problem. Quality is more important than quantity. A simple fact can do with one reference, not five or ten. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 13:27, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::[[User:David notMD|David notMD]], yes [[Draft:Tony Bonanno|indeed]]. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 13:51, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::::I see. What if a content short but reliable. Isn't it better to add more content? [[User:DerryGer120|DerryGer120]] ([[User talk:DerryGer120|talk]]) 13:54, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::thanks [[User:DerryGer120|DerryGer120]] ([[User talk:DerryGer120|talk]]) 13:54, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::@[[User:DerryGer120|DerryGer120]] Are you asking about the draft article you have (incorrectly) placed on your userpage? If so, please note that Wikipedia articles are almost entirely based on sources meeting [[WP:42|our golden rules]] to help show the topic is [[WP:NCORP|wikinotable]]. Currently you have no such sources and you need to carefully read [[WP:YFA|this guidance]], which also explains how to start in the correct place at [[WP:AfC|articles for creation]]. However, I would strongly advise that you work on existing articles for a while until you understand Wikipedia's requirements in more detail. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 14:40, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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{{u|DerryGer120}} [[Draft:Gerd Ortlieb]] has been declined three times. Do not resubmit until you have added in-line references for all facts, and deleted those facts for which you are unable to add references. External links are not references. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 04:41, 25 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:We're pretty broad-minded hereabouts. Thank you for the invitation and for your single (so far) edit elsewhere. I've reverted the latter, well-intentioned though it probably was. I really think you should edit some more. It's not because you have to show you've "earned" the right to ask questions. (You certainly don't have to, though of course your improvements here and there would be appreciated.) No, it's because a bit of experience would probably sharpen your questions. If [[Nicholson Baker]] found time to [[Special:Contributions/Wageless|do it]], you can too! -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 09:35, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::Hoary makes a good point. I left a welcome with some materials for getting started on your talk page. |
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::There was another user who recently was doing interviews (in their case specifically about COVID-19); the [[User_talk:Sdkb#Interview_request|answers I gave to them]] might be useful to you as well. |
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::Regarding a social media group, you're looking for [https://www.facebook.com/groups/wikipediaweekly/ Wikipedia Weekly] on Facebook. Cheers, <span style="color:#AAA"><small>{{u|</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088">[[User:Sdkb|<span style="color:#FFF">'''Sdkb'''</span>]]</span><small>}}</small></span> <sup>[[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']]</sup> 10:34, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:[[Wikipedia:Teahouse#Very_broad_questions_about_Wikipedia_and_about_your_experience_as_Wikipedians.]] may have something helpful. You could try asking at [[User talk:Jimbo Wales]]. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 10:38, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::[[Wikipedia:Counter-Vandalism Unit/Vandalism studies]] and [[Wikipedia:Counter-Vandalism Unit]] may have information of interest. Also [[Wikipedia:Disinformation]]. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 12:43, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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== Creating a Company Page with Limited References == |
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:Hi {{u|Hotplates}} please read [[Wikipedia:Ethically researching Wikipedia]] with particular attention to the sections about surveys and interviews as well as best practices. [[User:Dodger67|Roger (Dodger67)]] ([[User talk:Dodger67|talk]]) 12:47, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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I'm seeking guidance on creating a Wikipedia page for a company. I understand the importance of reliable sources, but currently have limited independent references. The company is Bizsol Technologies, and it operates in the IT sector. I'd like to include basic factual information such as founding date, services offered, and key personnel. Could you please advise on the best approach for creating a page under these circumstances, or if it's advisable at all given the limited sourcing? Thank you for your time and assistance. [[User:Bizsol tech|Bizsol tech]] ([[User talk:Bizsol tech|talk]]) 13:58, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== This section on this person's page is a bit too overt == |
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:If there's limited sourcing available, it's highly unlikely the company isn't notable enough for inclusion here. See [[WP:NCORP]]. --[[User:Hammersoft|Hammersoft]] ([[User talk:Hammersoft|talk]]) 14:02, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:I am agree with comment above. You might try to submit it however the content might be short as if there is limited references available. Start with a clear introduction that summarizes the subject. You can cite sources using the built-in citation tools in Wikipedia's editor. You always can try. Thanks [[User:DerryGer120|DerryGer120]] ([[User talk:DerryGer120|talk]]) 14:28, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:However, {{u|Bizsol tech}}, before you do ''anything'' else, (1) please read [[WP:NOPROMO]] (5. Advertising . . . followed by the rest of ''Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not''), and (2) [[WP:ORGNAME]] (followed by the rest of ''Wikipedia:Username policy''), and change your username to one that distinguishes you as an individual (e.g. 'Fred at Bizsol tech'), which ''only'' you may use – shared accounts and accounts representing a business or position are ''not allowed''. |
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[[Fiona Graham]] |
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:Assuming you actually do any drafting or editing ''on this topic'', you also ''must'' make [[WP:Conflict of Interest|Conflict of Interest]] and [[Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure|paid editor]] declarations on your User page. |
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:Understand (though I think you already do) that a Wikipedia article should be almost completely based on (summarised) material published by secondary Reliable sources ''unconnected'' to the subject – your company's own website, other publications, PR releases, interviews with officials or employees, etc., ''cannot'' contribute to the essential [[WP:Notability]] criteria, and can only be used for minor uncontroversial facts (e.g. address, number of employees and the like). Read [[WP:BACKWARD|WP:Backwards]]. |
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:Finally, read [[Wikipedia:Ownership of content|WP:OWN]], and understand that an article ''about'' your company on Wikipedia will not be controlled in any way by your company, may contain material detrimental to your company (if cited to [[WP:Reliable sources|Reliable sources]]), and may only be edited by you (or colleagues) in very limited ways concerning trivial matters (typos, removal of incorrect ''uncited'' statements, updates to numbers, etc.). You may wish to read [[Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing]], which includes a section on companies and organizations. |
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:Hope all this helps, and maybe helps you to avoid you wasting large amounts of time and effort. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} [[Special:Contributions/94.1.223.204|94.1.223.204]] ([[User talk:94.1.223.204|talk]]) 15:25, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Original research and primary sources == |
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Under the court case section... |
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What counts as original research? Can I write in an article that something is patented with a link to the patent itself as a source, or is this considered "original research" meaning that that finding a secondary source meaning some random article or book saying that it's patented is preferable over to linking to the actual patent? [[Special:Contributions/27.84.15.217|27.84.15.217]] ([[User talk:27.84.15.217|talk]]) 14:47, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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The case is about which fire safety classification a building providing accommodation was a single accommodation unit or not. Importantly it was dismissed on technical grounds about when the appeal against the council was filed, rather than details about the incident itself. It leaves out a lot of other information including how she submitted planning permission early on etc... |
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:The patent is a source for the issue of the patent (see [[WP:PATENT]]). Original research would be citing the patent for text such as {{tq|Oswald's patent for ooshwallah was the first patent issued for a Molossian.}} [[User:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#066293;">'''Schazjmd'''</span>]] [[User talk:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#738276;">''(talk)''</span>]] 15:04, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::Thanks. What about citations for cases of other things existing, e.g. the official website or page for a video game, or book, or music CD: Is the primary source appropriate as a source to prove that the thing exists or for other specs (like a release date, platform, page count, format...) or is that different with it being preferable to have some other person (who might be wrong) talking about the release date/platform/page count/format as a secondary source? [[Special:Contributions/27.84.15.217|27.84.15.217]] ([[User talk:27.84.15.217|talk]]) 15:24, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Primary sources are generally okay to cite for basic facts. [[User:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#066293;">'''Schazjmd'''</span>]] [[User talk:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#738276;">''(talk)''</span>]] 15:26, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Hi, IP user. My rule of thumb is that if the existence of something (a patent, a painting, a movie, a website) can be verified only by a primary source, then it is probably not appropriate to mention it in an article. There are probably exceptions; but if nobody independent has ever written about this thing, why is it significant enough to go in the article? [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 16:43, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::::I'm from Japan and primarily edit articles on Japanese topics where primary sources are in Japanese and most of the secondary sources used on Wikipedia are in English. This frequently result in problems when the secondary sources are from sites and writers regarded "reliable" on Wikipedia yet are clearly not reliable for niche topics, specifically Japanese topics in this case, being often poorly-written and badly-researched and filled with the most basic errors. Some of these basic errors could be easily rectified with a reference to a primary source like an official website saying "this book was written by this person and released on this date". Looking for reliable secondary sources like news sites after the fact is often out of the question because most Japanese news sites delist old news after some time. I was simply asking if such a primary source could be used over clearly inferior secondary sources, because I was previously told that primary sources are not allowed AT ALL if secondary sources are available. |
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::::I will assume that your intent was probably not to gaslight me by suggesting that Japanese topics are insignificant and don't belong on Wikipedia but I would very much appreciate more if people would answer my questions instead of retorting with more questions. [[Special:Contributions/27.84.15.217|27.84.15.217]] ([[User talk:27.84.15.217|talk]]) 19:29, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Extended Confirmed == |
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/business/3141102/QLDC-notice-against-building-petty-owner |
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https://www.building.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/resolving-problems/determinations/Appeals/2011-069-appeal-judgement.pdf |
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https://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/assets/cases/2014/sc84_2014_sc85_2014wanakagymltdgrahamvqueenstownldc.pdf |
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I believe I have become extended confirmed because I have been on Wikipedia for 1 month but Xtools says I’m only autoconfirmed. I got the answer that a user has to be on Wikipedia for 30 days and have over 500 edits, and I have done that. So, is there a reason why I’m not extended confirmed. If I am, I want to know [[User:Yuanmongolempiredynasty|Yuanmongolempiredynasty]] ([[User talk:Yuanmongolempiredynasty|talk]]) 14:58, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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1. I don't think it deserves its own section. It seems to be just one event in her life, of which there are many numerous events. I would rename the section to "Other activities" and reduce the paragraph to "A property owned by Graham, The Wanaka Gym Ltd., was fined a total of NZ$64,000 and ordered to pay NZ$9,000 in costs, following a conviction relating to which buildings code her property should fall under, after appeals were rejected on technical grounds." |
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:Your account was created on 26 November 2024. This is not 30 days ago. [[User:Mellk|Mellk]] ([[User talk:Mellk|talk]]) 15:00, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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2. It needs to mention that her appeals were dismissed on a technical ground. We need to remember that she contends that she was not running tourist accommodation (with the evidence that she does not have staff etc...). I am not privy to the little details but it appears she was catering to long term stayers and argues that the safety codes were aimed at short stay tourists - and that she was modifying the house to the different standards anyway. |
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::Ah, that’s probably the problem [[User:Yuanmongolempiredynasty|Yuanmongolempiredynasty]] ([[User talk:Yuanmongolempiredynasty|talk]]) 15:02, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:A user only needs to be extended confirmed to edit certain articles or in certain contentious topic areas. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 15:02, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::Yeah, I know, it just feels better to have it because it makes me feel more experienced. Also, there’s a couple articles that have the extended confirmed block that I would like to edit. [[User:Yuanmongolempiredynasty|Yuanmongolempiredynasty]] ([[User talk:Yuanmongolempiredynasty|talk]]) 15:05, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::That's certainly fine, though there is a difference between feeling more experienced and being more experienced. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 18:24, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::::Yes, you are right about that [[User:Yuanmongolempiredynasty|Yuanmongolempiredynasty]] ([[User talk:Yuanmongolempiredynasty|talk]]) 19:21, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::Articles that require editors to be extended confirmed are often about contentious topis. Many so-qualified editors have put those articles on their Watchlist, meaning that there is potential for being reverted by opinionated editors. Consider reviewing the Talk page (including archived talk page content) to learn if the change you intend to make has been debated in the past. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 20:57, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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==Seasonal Greetings from all at the Teahouse! == |
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Considering that the appeals were rejected on technical grounds about it being submitted ''too late'' to the council, it would be incorrect for wikipedia to assume guilt in this situation. The house also complies with the general accommodation safety code, just not the short stay tourist code which she says she was not catering for. |
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::''''Twas The Night Before Wikimas... '''<br> |
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[[File:1914 Santa Claus.jpg|thumb|Saint Jimbo arrives to help a pair of sleepy editors.]] |
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'Twas the night before Wikimas, when all through the [[WP:TH|Teahouse]]<br> |
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Not an [[WP:EDITOR|editor]] was stirring, not even a [[Computer mouse|mouse]].<br> |
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The [[Wikipedia:Citing sources|references]] had been inserted by users [[WP:AGF|with care]],<br> |
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And on a side note about the page, it needs a lot more information about her other activities as well, but being Extended Protected makes it hard to add good information. |
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In hopes that [[User:Jimbo Wales|St. Jimbo]]{{who}} soon would be there.<br> |
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Most editors were nestled all snug by their beds,<br> |
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[[User:Geicraftor|Geicraftor]] ([[User talk:Geicraftor|talk]]) 09:39, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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While visions of [[WP:YFA|new articles]] danced in their heads.<br> |
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:{{u|Geicraftor}} Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You should make these suggestions on the article talk page, [[Talk:Fiona Graham]], in the form of a formal [[WP:ER|edit request]](click for instructions). [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 09:47, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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When out from a [https:/upwiki/wikipedia/commons/3/38/JIMBOARD.jpg keyboard] there arose such a clatter<br> |
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I sprang to my screen to see what was the matter.<br> |
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When, what to my wondering eyes should appear,<br> |
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but a question on [[H:FOOT|sources]] and how to [[WP:IC|use them well]] here.<br> |
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More rapid than eagles these questioners came,<br> |
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== Uploading Pictures and Documets == |
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And the [[Wikipedia:Teahouse/Hosts|hosts]] from the [[WP:TH|Teahouse]] welcomed each one [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&offset=&limit=500&username=Christmas+12&group=&wpsubmit=&wpFormIdentifier=mw-listusers-form by name.]<br> |
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[[File:Jimmy-matryoska-3.png|thumb|Reindeers #1 to #3 (left to right): <br>[[Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Dashes|em Dasher]]; [[WP:IMAGES|Images]] and [[WP:ACTRIAL|Actrial]]]] |
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[[File:Jimmy-matryoska-3.png|thumb|Reindeers #4 to #6 (left to right): <br> [[WP:PATROLLED|Patrolled]]; [[WP:USERS|Users]] and [[WP:IP|IPs]]]] |
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"Now, [[Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Dashes|em Dasher]]! Now, [[WP:IMAGES|Images]]!<br> |
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I did the editing, but still finding it diffucult to upload pictures and documents, in fact cannot find the areas to the links. [[User:Kativhup|Kativhup]] ([[User talk:Kativhup|talk]]) 10:37, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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Now, [[WP:ACTRIAL|Actrial]]! Now, [[WP:PATROLLED|Patrolled]]!<br> |
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:{{u|Kativhup}}, are you looking for [[WP:File Upload Wizard]]? <span style="color:#AAA"><small>{{u|</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088">[[User:Sdkb|<span style="color:#FFF">'''Sdkb'''</span>]]</span><small>}}</small></span> <sup>[[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']]</sup> 11:34, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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On, [[WP:USERS|Users]]! On, [[WP:IP|IPs]]!<br> |
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On, [[WP:YOUNG|Young]] and on, [[Silver surfer (internet user)|Old]]!<br> |
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To the [[WP:LEAD|top of each article]], be it long, [[WP:STUB|short]] or tall,<br> |
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Now, [[Help:Editing|type away]], [[Wikipedia:VisualEditor|type away]], [[Help:Wikitext|type away]] all!"{{cite quote}}<br> |
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As dry words that before an [[Wiktionary:Main_Page|old dictionary]] fly,<br> |
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== Can't request an article for Norm Architects == |
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when they meet with a [[WP:SYNONYM|synonym]], mount to the sky,{{Citation needed}}<br> |
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So, onto these articles the edits they flew,<br> |
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With a sleigh full of [[WP:RS|facts]], and [[WP:ILC|citations]], too.<br> |
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And then in a twinkling, I saw on the page<br> |
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Can't find the "request article" link. Keep getting redirected to write it myself |
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Our wiki-creator: a man of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centenarian great age].<br> |
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Dear Wikigods, |
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As I checked it on [https:/upwiki/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/40/Jimbo.svg/757px-Jimbo.svg.png Commons] and was turning around,<br> |
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Down my router [[Jimmy Wales|St. Jimbo]] came in with a bound.<br> |
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Over [[WP:STATS|6 million articles]] he had flung on his back,{{Quantify}}<br> |
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I'm tasked with requesting an article about the firm I'm working for - as I've got a COI, I'm advised against writing it myself. But every time I try to request an article to be written, I end up in the same menu, where it looks like I'm supposed to write it myself... What am I doing wrong? |
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And he looked like most users with the editing knack.{{According to whom}}<br> |
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His eyes{{spaced ndash}}how they twinkled! [[Eye strain|slightly square]]{{spaced ndash}}but how merry!<br> |
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[[WP:ADDICTED|Too much editing]], folks, had turned his nose red like a cherry!{{medical citation needed}}<br> |
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His droll little mouth was drawn up like a bow,<br> |
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And the beard on his chin was as white as the snow.{{cn}}<br> |
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[[File:Jimbo Ded Moroz.png|thumb|St. Jimbo: ''"Happy Editing to all, and to all users a good night!"''<br>[[Facial composite]] of man wanted for questioning in connection with digital break-ins on [[Christmas Eve]].]] |
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A wink of his eye and a twist of his head<br> |
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Thank you! |
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Soon gave me to know I had [[WP:ANI|nothing to dread]].<br> |
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He spoke not a word, but went straight to his [[WP:COPYEDIT|editing]],<br> |
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And filled [[WP:BAREURLS|bare URLs]]; did [[WP:SOURCES|sourcing]] and [[MOS:CREDITS|crediting]]<br> |
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And confirming [[WP:N|notability]] with a tap on his nose,<br> |
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And pressing '[[Help:Editing#Edit_screen(s)|Publish changes]]', back up my modem{{Technical inline}} he rose.<br> |
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He sprang to his sleigh, to his [[WP:WMF|team]] gave a [[WP:NOTIFY|whistle]],<br> |
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Best regards, |
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And away they all flew, leaving me to my [[WP:TOOLONG|epistle]].{{anachronism inline}}<br> |
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Karl [[User:Karl at Norm Architects|Karl at Norm Architects]] ([[User talk:Karl at Norm Architects|talk]]) 10:41, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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But I heard him exclaim, 'ere he drove out of sight,<br> |
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: The correct place to request an article is at [[WP:Requested articles]], although you need to bear in mind that Wikipedia editors are all volunteers and so it may take ages for anyone to pick up your suggestion. It is not prohibited for someone with a [[WP:COI]] to draft a new article, for which the [[WP:AfC]] process is best. Your main hurdle will be to prove that Norm Architects are notable, as defined at [[WP:GNG]]. I did a quick Google search and failed to find sufficient references to show they might be. So my advice would be to draft a relatively short article with say, four, [[WP:SECONDARY]] sources that are independent of the company and not based on interviews or press releases. If you can do that, there may some hope the article would be accepted. Do not use a [[WP:PROMOTION]]al tone as that is not allowed. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 11:18, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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''"Happy Editing to all, and to all users a good night!"''{{quote needs citation}}<br> |
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::Seconded. As for your other troubles, please see my comment on your user talk page. There is, in my opinion, no reason to abandon or apologize for your username (which is admirably candid). -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 13:41, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::with [[WP:PARAPHRASE|grudging acknowledgement]] to [[Clement_Clarke_Moore#A_Visit_from_St._Nicholas|Clement C. Moore]], 1823.) |
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== How to published a draft == |
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::::[[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] ([[User talk:Nick Moyes|talk]]) 15:24, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Bravo! {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} [[Special:Contributions/94.1.223.204|94.1.223.204]] ([[User talk:94.1.223.204|talk]]) 15:27, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::This is brilliant @[[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] [[User:Knitsey|<span style="color:DarkMagenta">Knitsey</span>]] ([[User talk:Knitsey|<span style="color: maroon">talk</span>]]) 15:36, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Bah humbug >:/ |
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:::What about us [[Festivus]] Celebrators? |
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:::A fantastic little parody though. As a fellow writer, I greatly enoyed. [[User:Shovel Shenanigans|Shovel Shenanigans]] ([[User talk:Shovel Shenanigans|talk]]) 16:35, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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{{clear}} |
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::::Very good. Now let's hope no one tries to expand it using references from Instagram, celebrities' personal websites, or something editor is sure his great aunt told him 27 years ago. [[User:Karenthewriter|Karenthewriter]] ([[User talk:Karenthewriter|talk]]) 17:08, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Yes, very good!👍 [[User:Yuanmongolempiredynasty|Yuanmongolempiredynasty]] ([[User talk:Yuanmongolempiredynasty|talk]]) 19:20, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Need help with a draft == |
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Hi! I need some help to publish my draft on Federico Bilotta, a living professor. |
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Please let me know! [[User:Valeriaspe|Valeriaspe]] ([[User talk:Valeriaspe|talk]]) 11:45, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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[[User:Valeriaspe|Valeriaspe]] ([[User talk:Valeriaspe|talk]]) 11:45, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:Courtesy [[Draft:Federico Bilotta]]. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 12:46, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::See[[Wikipedia:Notability (academics)]] for the criteria for academic people. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 12:52, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::{{ping|Valeriaspe}} See also [[Wikipedia:Your first article]]. [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 15:13, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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Hello! I posted about this to to [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Finland]] but it seems a little quiet in there. I need help with my draft on the finnish sketch comedy show [[Draft:Mankeli]], but being as I am not yet fluent in finnish, I need someone who is to help me out. The main thing that needs to be done on the page is finding sources, but since they are all going to be in finnish, I would be fumbling around trying to look for them. I translated the page from finnish wikipedia, and it didn't have any references there either. |
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== Editors Abuse is permitted by wikipedia == |
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[[User:3SiameseCats|3SiameseCats]] ([[User talk:3SiameseCats|talk]]) 16:27, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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I have a problem with Wikipedia and how the editors conduct themselves. The common approach from most admin/editors is that they like to selectively pick on specific articles and instead of being helpful they aggressively "show their power" by incorrectly editing pages, deleting pages which do not align with their personal beliefs, and provide details and input on articles regarding Wikipedia guidelines which when cross-referencing with the actual guidelines are not correct. It is becoming the wild west as Wikipedia rules and guidelines are actually meaningless because editors are allowed to make up there own rules and if there rules are in conflict with Wikipedia guidelines , the editors rules and decisions almost always supersede anything stated by Wikipedia. |
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:Hello, @[[User:3SiameseCats|3SiameseCats]]. I'm sorry, but if "the main thing that needs to be done on the page is finding sources", then you have written the draft [[WP:BACKWARDS|BACKWARDS]]. This is like "I have started building a house: the main thing that needs to be done is to survey the site to see whether it is fit to build on". [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 16:46, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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There are too many false and misleading articles on Wikipedia which are permitted to remain published and protected by admins/editors. This removes credibility of Wikipedia. Now in addition to the abundant amount of misleading content on Wikipedia, admins are now becoming aggressive on editing and deleting articles based on their personal beliefs, and values and are no longer required to follow Wikipedia guidelines. Society today has enough issues with fake news, misleading information, and fraud. Wikipedia appears to now be joining this trend and I believe may not be exempt from legal implications. The United States Government needs to be made aware of what is happening on Wikipedia including foreign influence by admins and the common practice of wiki admins protecting misleading articles to mislead the American public on companies, politics, law, and financials including Wikipedia's strong support for allowing American corporations to post and edit articles about themselves while publishing indisputably false statements/data/details on their organizations which also can have an effect on shareholders, investors, and gov entities as Wikipedia allows self-promotion for profit including false information. The SEC and the FTC needs to be aware of the recklessness from the Wikipedia foundation and editors who are in violation of SEC laws, international laws, and election laws as Wikipedia admins are mostly complicent in unethical practices. |
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::Im not sure if you missed it, but I translated the article from the Finnish Wikipedia (using the [[Special:ContentTranslation]] tool), before I realized there was no sources there either. So whoever wrote the finnish version wrote it backwards, and now I need to fix that. [[User:3SiameseCats|3SiameseCats]] ([[User talk:3SiameseCats|talk]]) 17:20, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::In that case you'd probably be better off to start fresh and first find sources to summarize, rather than looking for sources to support the current version. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 18:27, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Speedy Deletion of Than Singh Doli == |
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Without an ounce of integrity , what actually is wiki to you? |
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~jonscott239 [[User:Jonscott239|Jonscott239]] ([[User talk:Jonscott239|talk]]) 12:03, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{u|Jonscott239}} It is difficult to respond to a general grievance. If you have a specific situation to discuss, please go into detail about it. If there are specific examples of editor and administrator misbehavior, please go to [[WP:ANI]]. |
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:Wikipedia summarizes what independent [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] state. If those sources are not being summarized accurately, please bring it up on the relevant article talk page, if that fails to resolve the issue, go to [[WP:DR|dispute resolution]]. If the sources are correctly summarized but you disagree with what the source says, you will need to bring that up with the source. |
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:Please understand that Wikipedia does not claim what it says [[WP:TRUTH|is true, only that it can be verified]]. Only you can decide what is true for you. This is why Wikipedia presents sources to the readers, so they can evaluate and judge them for themselves. |
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:Please be aware of [[WP:NLT|no legal threats]]. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 12:17, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:Courtesy link: [[WP:Articles for deletion/GoVoteMiami (2nd nomination)]] |
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:I strongly suggest [[WP:Arbitration/Requests/Case/American politics 2#Discretionary sanctions (1992 cutoff)|you find a different topic area to work in]]. Coming on here to [[WP:BATTLEGROUND|publicly take umbrage]] about an editorial decision in an area under sanctions is generally not a smart idea. —[[User:Jéské Couriano|<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>]] [[User talk:Jéské Couriano|<span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span>]] <sup><small>[[Special:Contributions/Jéské Couriano|Takes a strong man to deny...]]</small></sup> 12:18, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::::{{u|Jonscott239}}I forgot who you were; I'm sorry your work was deleted, but it has nothing to do with what you say. If you are interested in a civil discussion about it, I'd be happy to explain why. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 12:22, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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Today i nominated [https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Than%20Singh%20Doli Than Singh Doli] for deletion because it does not have but 2 editors removed the deletion template. Now i had nominated the article for quick deletion. Previously this article was also deleted from English's Wikipedia when I nominated that but i found that it is available on Simple English Wikipedia also. An editor should delete this page because i am pretty sure it is a case of promoting self on Wikipedia. [[User:TheSlumPanda|TheSlumPanda]] ([[User talk:TheSlumPanda|talk]]) 16:32, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Matthew Ornalik of Zaram Band == |
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:Hello, @[[User:TheSlumPanda|TheSlumPanda]]. This is English Wikipedia, which is a separate project from Simple Wikipedia. You need to ask there. Try [[:simple:WP:Simple talk]] [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 16:49, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Greetings friends I'm working on my bands page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Zaram_Band how long does it take to get it published? [[User:Mornalik31|Mornalik31]] ([[User talk:Mornalik31|talk]]) 12:11, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:Forever and a day - it's not submitted and it [[WP:GNG|has no sources]], thus it will never be accepted in the current state it's in. —[[User:Jéské Couriano|<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>]] [[User talk:Jéské Couriano|<span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span>]] <sup><small>[[Special:Contributions/Jéské Couriano|Takes a strong man to deny...]]</small></sup> |
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== Sock puppet | New account == |
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:Before creating an article, please [[Wikipedia:Searching|search]] Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not ''already exist'' on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines with which all articles should comply. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain [[Wikipedia:No original research|original research]], must be written from a [[Wikipedia:Neutral point of view|neutral point of view]], should [[Wikipedia:Citing sources|cite]] [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources]] which [[Wikipedia:Verifiability|verify]] their content and must not contain [[Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons|unsourced, negative content about living people]]. |
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:Articles must also demonstrate the [[Wikipedia:Notability|notability]] of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for [[Wikipedia:Notability (people)|people]], [[Wikipedia:Notability (music)|bands and musicians]], [[Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)|companies and organizations]] and [[Wikipedia:Notability (web)|web content]] and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our [[Wikipedia:Conflict of interest|conflict of interest guideline]] strongly recommends against ''you'' creating the article. |
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:If you still think an article is appropriate, see [[Wikipedia:Your first article]]. You might also look at [[Wikipedia:How to write a great article]] for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the [[Wikipedia:Tutorial]] so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. An [[Wikipedia:Article wizard|Article Wizard]] is also available to walk you through creating an article.{{z26}}<!-- Template:Creation -->-[[User:Abdul Muhsy|<span style="color: darkgreen">- Abdul Muhsy</span>]] [[User talk:Abdul Muhsy|<span style="color: maroon">talk</span>]] 14:06, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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== Draft:Olšina (Ralsko) == |
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I acknowledge that I have made mistakes in the past, including the use of sock puppet accounts [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Saishna96]] which led to my block. I deeply regret these actions and take full responsibility for violating Wikipedia’s policies. |
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Hi, and thanks for the Tea-Room chat site. |
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At present, I do not have any active accounts on Wikipedia. I wish to start afresh and contribute to the community in a constructive and policy-compliant manner. I assure you that I will not create multiple accounts or engage in any activities that go against Wikipedia’s guidelines. |
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I recently translated a Czech Wiki article about an extinct village. |
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Based on my personal family research, a great-grandfather of mine was born in this village. |
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Since the article only exists on a Czech wiki article, (with pictures), I made my very first attempt to translate the information using the Wiki translation tool. |
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At the moment it appears only as a 'Draft'. I'm just wondering how long it will take until it will be reviewed and published online by the Wiki Editing Team. |
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I kindly request an opportunity to demonstrate my commitment to adhering to Wikipedia’s standards. Thank you for considering my appeal. [[Special:Contributions/2409:40F0:3008:5F2A:1C8A:603B:65C1:1089|2409:40F0:3008:5F2A:1C8A:603B:65C1:1089]] ([[User talk:2409:40F0:3008:5F2A:1C8A:603B:65C1:1089|talk]]) 16:35, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Thank you for your time and efforts. |
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:Please see [[WP:appealing blocks|appealing blocks]]. That is the ''only'' way to appeal a block. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 16:50, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Kirk Haggerty |
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Munich, Germany [[User:KPHaggerty|KPHaggerty]] ([[User talk:KPHaggerty|talk]]) 14:42, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|KPHaggerty}} To ask someone to review [[Draft:Olšina (Ralsko)]], please add <code><nowiki>{{subst:sumbit}}</nowiki></code> to the top of your draft. It could take several months to be reviewed. [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 15:17, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::Hi [[User:KPHaggerty|KPHaggerty]]. I have transformed two of the citations your used, taking them from naked URLs to fully-attributed citations. This should help with the review that will take place once you follow [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]]'s advice. Best regards-[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] ([[User talk:Fuhghettaboutit|talk]]) 15:26, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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Out of sheer curiosity, how does one go about becoming an admin? Not that I want to be one, I most certainly don't, and such responsibility is too much for me. I'm just interested in the inner-workings of Wikipedia. [[User:Shovel Shenanigans|Shovel Shenanigans]] ([[User talk:Shovel Shenanigans|talk]]) 18:08, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Hello! I am new to the editing community, and I have a problem. I need to cite a book for a citation. the book is not free, however, and I do not know how to cite it. The source I used was a publishing store in which the book can be bought, however, I do not know if that is acceptable. the book is called "The Tanks of Operation Barbarossa; Soviet versus German Armour on the Eastern Front" by Boris Kavalerchik. please respond asap. thank you, and have a nice day. [[User:KommanderC|KommanderC]] ([[User talk:KommanderC|talk]]) 16:25, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:@[[User:Shovel Shenanigans|Shovel Shenanigans]] all admins are "elected" in [[WP:RFA|Requests for Adminship]]. A typical one runs for a week or so, and all experienced users can ask the candidate questions, discuss their work, and !vote. <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace">'''<nowiki>'''[[</nowiki>[[User:CanonNi]]<nowiki>]]'''</nowiki>'''</span> ([[User talk:CanonNi|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CanonNi|contribs]])</span> 18:11, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|KommanderC}} The book does not need to be free or online to be used as a citation. You may choose to use {{tl|cite book}} to create the citation. [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 16:31, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::Oh, neat! Admins being voted in is not something I have seen before. Thanks for the speedy reply :) |
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::Happy chrismahanukwanzakah, and a good Festivus for the Rest of us! [[User:Shovel Shenanigans|Shovel Shenanigans]] ([[User talk:Shovel Shenanigans|talk]]) 18:13, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::@[[User:Shovel Shenanigans|Shovel Shenanigans]], there's a [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Sennecaster|request for adminship]] open now, if you'd like to take a look and see what it entails. After you reach extended confirmed status, you can register your support or opposition for admin requests. [[User:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#066293;">'''Schazjmd'''</span>]] [[User talk:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#738276;">''(talk)''</span>]] 18:18, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::::That's ''really'' interesting! I honestly did not expect such a detailed process. I don't know what I ''did'' expect, but it wasn't this. I appreciate your input :) [[User:Shovel Shenanigans|Shovel Shenanigans]] ([[User talk:Shovel Shenanigans|talk]]) 18:55, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:@[[User:Shovel Shenanigans|Shovel Shenanigans]], Like what @[[User:CanonNi|CanonNi]] said, there are also a discussion open about [[Wikipedia:AELECT|administrator elections]], which resulted in 11 admins being promoted back in late October, into becoming an official and alternative process to RfAs. Do note that it's still in a discussion period and isn't an official process. <span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:#fff;border:2px dashed#69c73e">[[User:Cowboygilbert|<span style="color:#3f6b39">'''Cowboygilbert'''</span>]] - [[User talk:Cowboygilbert|<span style="color:#d12667"> (talk) ♥</span>]]</span> 19:27, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== How do I edit a comment on an image? == |
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:('''e/c''') Hey [[User:KommanderC|KommanderC]]. First, the fact the book is behind a paywall does not make it at all un-citeable. For our policy on this, please see [[WP:SOURCEACCESS]], [[Wikipedia:Offline sources]] and [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Cost]]. As to how to cite it, I suggest using a [[Wikipedia:Citation templates|Citation templates]] – here {{tl|Cite book}}. They allow you to just plug in the appropriate parameters, in any order and it will always format consistently (you should always cite a source transparently, for [[WP:V|verification]] purposes; for a book, we usually present the year, title, author name(s), publisher, isbn number, page number(s) and url, if there is one). (For this book, however, there's a translator, so I'd provide that information as well.)<p>As to the convenience link to a url, I recommend ''not'' using the online store's, but something like Google Books (which in this case has preview available). Specifically, I suggest the following format, which will display as set forth below, from the footnote you'll see at the end of this sentence (just note that where I have written "INSERT" in the citation, next to the <code>pages=</code> parameter, that is for you to place the actual page numbers that verify the detail you are citing; use "<code>page=</code>" if it's one page"):<ref>{{Cite book|title=The Tanks of Operation Barbarossa; Soviet versus German Armour on the Eastern Front|last= Kavalerchik|first=Boris|url=https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Tanks_of_Operation_Barbarossa/7XjNDwAAQBAJ|isbn=978-1-4738-8682-7|translator-last1=Britton|translator-first1=Stuart|year=2018|publisher=Pen & Sword Books|pages='''INSERT'''}}</ref> |
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::<code><nowiki><ref>{{Cite book|title=The Tanks of Operation Barbarossa; Soviet versus German Armour on the Eastern Front|last= Kavalerchik|first=Boris|url=https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Tanks_of_Operation_Barbarossa/7XjNDwAAQBAJ|isbn=978-1-4738-8682-7|translator-last1=Britton|translator-first1=Stuart|year=2018|publisher=Pen & Sword Books|pages=INSERT}}</ref></nowiki></code> |
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:Best regards--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] ([[User talk:Fuhghettaboutit|talk]]) 16:54, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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I uploaded an image. I included a summary. That summary became both a comment and a summary. I made a mistake in the summary. I can correct the summary but not the comment. I had to delete the image and upload it again. How do I edit the comment? <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:RussellBell|RussellBell]] ([[User talk:RussellBell#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/RussellBell|contribs]]) 22:16, 24 December 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:What image are you referring to? You've never uploaded an image to en.wikipedia, and only one image to Commons where there doesn't appear to be any subsequent editing by you and it wasn't previously deleted. It was also upload 1.5 years ago. So, kinda hard to know what you're talking about. --[[User:Hammersoft|Hammersoft]] ([[User talk:Hammersoft|talk]]) 22:53, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:You're welcome {{U|KommanderC}}. By the way, it takes some getting used to but becomes second nature – please remember to sign your posts on discussion pages like this one (type four tildes (~~~~) or click on the signature button [[File:OOUI_JS_signature_icon_LTR.svg|18px|link=Wikipedia:How to sign your posts]] located above the edit window). Also, by convention we respond to posts by indenting one level in from their indentation level (just place colons (:s): so: |
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::It's for a non-Wikipedia wiki. I thought the rules were the same. https://jfwiki.org/index.php?title=File:JoeRuthTeddyJudyRear_BenFritzeFritzi_Seated.jpeg [[User:RussellBell|RussellBell]] ([[User talk:RussellBell|talk]]) 23:13, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:That said, @[[User:RussellBell|RussellBell]], I'm not clear how you can claim copyright on [[:File:Joseph Langermann Acte De Naissance - an extract from his birth certificate.gif]], or say that it's your own work. Either the copyright is held by whichever government deparment issued it, or else it may be in the [[WP:public domain|public domain]] No way can it be yours. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 22:59, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:Reply to it |
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::I received the letter in response to a query I made - doesn't that make it mine? I deleted the portion that had my name and address. I'll be glad to reclassify it - how would I?[[User:RussellBell|RussellBell]] ([[User talk:RussellBell|talk]]) 23:13, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::Reply to that |
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:::Even if you get a letter. You didn't produced the letter or the extract in attachment itself. |
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:::Really? |
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:::Therefore , it is not your work as Cullen328 '''(12/24/2024 23:33 UTC time)''' and Marchjully '''(12/24/2024 23:58 UTC time)''' explained. <br /> <br /> |
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::::Yes really!</pre> |
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:::Also , in the extract of the birth certificate published in '''"05/25/2023"''' on '''"Wikipedia in English"''' , it does means nearly 13 years after the production of the document in '''"06/21/2010"'''. There are an incacurate description. <br /> <br /> |
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:Cheers--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] ([[User talk:Fuhghettaboutit|talk]]) 17:22, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:::The description is inacurate for the next reason. It is wrote ''"This is the extract from Joe's birth certificate. Only family members can get the whole."''. <br /> <br /> |
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:::For a birth certificate or another "[[vital record]]" detained by French authorities , not all family members can have access to a full birth certificate. |
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:::You can correct by '''"some family members"''' or anything similar meaning that not all family members can. <br /> <br /> <br /> |
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:::For vital records less than 75 years old. Only the person concerned and some family members can access the full document. <br /> <br /> |
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:::These family members are the spouse , person who have a "[[Civil solidarity pact]]" with the person , parents or grand-parents or any others ascendants '''(For example a great-grandparent)''' and your child or grand-child or any others descendants '''(For example a great-grandchild)'''. |
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:::If a vital record is 75 years old or older. Everybody have legally access to it. <br /> <br /> |
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:::To finalise this message. Marchjuly '''(12/25/2024 00:14 UTC time)''' explained this kind of document is generally considered as a primary source. [[User:Anatole-berthe|Anatole-berthe]] ([[User talk:Anatole-berthe|talk]]) 00:26, 25 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{u|RussellBell}}, you may own a piece of paper, but that does not make its content your "own work". Only the government official or the agency who created the document can call it their "own work". [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 23:33, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|RussellBell}} The information posted above by {{u|Cullen328}} and {{u|ColinFine}} is information that not only applies to Wikipedia, but image licensing in general; in other words, physical possession of something doesn't mean you're also the intellectual property rights holder of said thing. Some documents containing nothing more than factual information (particularly those created by the US federal government) can be ineligible for copyright protection under US copyright law, but the copyright laws of other countries might treat such documents differently and Wikimedia Commons policy requires that the content it hosts be licensed acceptably in accordance with US copyright law and [[:c:COM:PUBLISH|the copyright law of the country of first publication]]. Given the address on the letter, you might find [[:c:COM:France]] helpful in sorting out the latter. The text of the letter and any other imagery contained therein, on the other hand, could be eligible for copyright protection separately from the enclosed document itself. All of this is really a moot point, though, because the website {{url|www.jfwiki.org}} that you're asking about is completely unrelated to English Wikipedia or any other sites run by the Wikimedia Foundation; so, if you've got specific questions related to that site, you're going to need to contact whoever runs that site and resolve things with them. That website most likely has its own rules and you're going to need to comply with them if you want to add content to that site. The Wikipedia Teahouse is set up to deal with questions related to English Wikipedia (and perhaps its sister projects); it's not really intended to be a general information help desk or a help desk for other websites. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 23:58, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::Regarding [[:File:Joseph Langermann Acte De Naissance - an extract from his birth certificate.gif]] and separately from its copyright status, you don't really need to upload an image of a document to cite said document as a source for a Wikipedia article like you did in the case of [[:Joe Frank]]. You can just cite the document itself as long as it meets Wikipedia's definition of a [[:WP:RS|reliable source]] and is used in [[:WP:RSCONTEXT|proper context]]; birth certificates, death certificates and other types of official documents are generally treated as [[:WP:PRIMARY]] sources though and need to be used carefully. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 00:14, 25 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== How do I change my method of donation to a different source. == |
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== Inconsistency in some Chemistry articles == |
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I recently had to change all my credit cards due to being hacked. I need to change my monthly donation to a new card number but cannot find how to do this. Thank you for your help. [[User:Buffalogirlofwy|Buffalogirlofwy]] ([[User talk:Buffalogirlofwy|talk]]) 02:58, 25 December 2024 (UTC) |
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I was doing some editing and research and came across this situation. |
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:Hi [[User:Buffalogirlofwy|Buffalogirlofwy]]. See [[:donate:Cancel or change recurring giving]]. Maybe you have to set up a new donation with the new card but I don't know. You can ask at the given email address but note it says to not mail your credit card number. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 10:54, 25 December 2024 (UTC) |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maleic_acid_dibutyl_ester |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethyl_maleate Dimethyl maleate |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diethyl_maleate Diethyl maleate |
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== Un-archiving a talk topic == |
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So Dimethyl maleate article is called that as is diethyl maleate. However, Dibutyl maleate (DBM) article redirects to Maleic acid dibutyl ester. |
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Surely there needs to be some consistency. Probably needs a very experienced chemistry editor to look at. [[User:GRALISTAIR|GRALISTAIR]] ([[User talk:GRALISTAIR|talk]]) 17:11, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:Hey [[User:GRALISTAIR|GRALISTAIR]]. I suggest asking at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Chemistry]] for someone to take a look and advise or sort the issue. Best regards--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] ([[User talk:Fuhghettaboutit|talk]]) 17:27, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:: These sort of inconsistencies are a consequence of different article creation dates and editors. Fortunately, the ability within Wikipedia to use redirects means that readers looking for a given chemical under a variety of names (and e.g. molecular formulae) should find it. As advised, [[WT:WikiProject Chemistry]] is the place to discuss this if you have a specific proposal to sort things out. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 17:43, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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I made a talk topic and somebody immediately archived it saying that it's already been addressed. I believe that my topic is different from what was discussed previously, and I made a comment on the talk page there proposing to un-archive my topic. Nobody responded and it's been a couple of days. Is it safe to go ahead and just un-archive it myself, or is that considered disruptive? [[User:Lardlegwarmers|Lardlegwarmers]] ([[User talk:Lardlegwarmers|talk]]) 03:49, 25 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Protecting page == |
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:You mean [[Talk:COVID-19_lab_leak_theory#Mention_House_Subcommittee_in_section_on_Political,_academic_and_media_attention]]? -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 06:38, 25 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Bad quality images for BLP individuals == |
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Hello, How do I protect a page from Vandalism, if I’m not an administrator? How do I get administrative privileges ? [[User:Cyberanthropologist|Cyberanthropologist]] ([[User talk:Cyberanthropologist|talk]]) 17:18, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:Hi [[User:Cyberanthropologist|Cyberanthropologist]]. Requests for protection are made at [[Wikipedia:Requests for page protection]]. Becoming an [[WP:ADMIN|administrator]] requires, among others, thousands of edits and deep experience in many areas of the encyclopedia. See [[Wikipedia:Guide to requests for adminship]]. Best regards--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] ([[User talk:Fuhghettaboutit|talk]]) 17:31, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::By the way, I am posting below a canned template providing some standard advice about dealing with vandals.--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] ([[User talk:Fuhghettaboutit|talk]]) 17:33, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:You can report obvious and persistent [[Wikipedia:Vandalism|vandals]] at [[Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism]] (WP:AIV) to be [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]] from further editing. Before posting there, a final warning in an escalating series should have been posted to the user's [[Wikipedia:Talk page|talk page]] (for example {{tl|Uw-vandal4}}, {{tl|Uw-spam4}} or {{tl|Uw-speedy4}}), and the user must have vandalized within the last few hours, including ''after'' the final warning was given. Various warning templates can be found at [[Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace]] (easily remembered by the shortcut [[WP:WARN]]). Your block request is unlikely to be acted upon unless you follow these steps. Cases that are not simple vandalism can be reported at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents]]. Of course, in conjunction with warning against and reporting vandalism, you have the ability, mandate and [[Wikipedia:Cleaning up vandalism|are encouraged]] to [[Wikipedia:Revert|revert]] all instances of vandalism you find yourself.{{Z36}}<!-- Template:Reportvandal -->--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] ([[User talk:Fuhghettaboutit|talk]]) 17:33, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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If the only image(s) available for a BLP article is of bad quality and/or very outdated (for example a mugshot from decades ago), is using the image preferred or not using any image at all preferred? [[User:Zinderboff|Zinderboff]] [[User talk:Zinderboff|(talk)]] 04:40, 25 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== blue colored links == |
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:{{ping|Zinderboff}} I wouldn't use a mug shot from decades ago per [[:WP:MUG]], particularly as the primary image at the top of the article, but an older image that's freely licensed could be used even if it's not of the best quality. Whether that's preferable to using no image at all might be something worth discussing on the article's talk page, but it's important to remember that a Wikipedia article about a living person is an encyclopedic article about the person as a whole (from birth to present day) and even an older image can still have encyclopedic value; in other words, the article doesn't need to show the person as they look at this particular moment in time. Finally, given you're asking about a BLP, a [[:WP:NFC|non-free image]] is most likely not going to be considered in compliance with [[:Wp:NFCC|Wikipedia's non-free content use policy]]; so, if you're trying to find a recent image to use for primary identification purposes, you're going to need to find one that has already been released under a license that's pretty much in accordance with [[:c:Commons:Licensing]], or you're going to need to get the copyright holder of the image to given their [[:WP:CONSENT]]. You can try [[:WP:PERMISSION]] if you want to ask a copyright holder to release their image under a license that's free enough for Wikipedia. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 08:10, 25 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Revising and submitting a new Help:IPA page == |
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how to create blue links [[User:Zbani kurdi|Zbani kurdi]] ([[User talk:Zbani kurdi|talk]]) 18:32, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{u|Zbani kurdi}} blue links link to existing articles, while red links link to articles which do not yet exist. [[User:Elliot321|Elliot321]] ([[User_talk:Elliot321|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Elliot321|contribs]]) 18:43, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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I was referred here by User:Timrent after submitting a draft for a proposed Help:IPA page for the Kannada language. Please let me know how I can improve this draft and where I can submit my revisions for proper review. |
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:Hello, {{U|Zbani kurdi}}, and welcome to the Teahouse. You put the name of the article between double square brackets, thus <code><nowiki>[[Spain]]</nowiki></code> displays as [[Spain]] and links to the article called "Spain". If you want the text to appear different from the name, you put the text after a "pipe" character, so <code><nowiki>[[Spanish language|Spanish]]</nowiki></code> display as [[Spanish language|Spanish]]. See [[WP:Wikilinks]] for the whole story, and [[WP:CHEATSHEET]] for other kinds of Wikimarkup. --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 18:44, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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Link to draft: [[Draft:Help:IPA/Kannada]] [[User:Krzapex|Krzapex]] ([[User talk:Krzapex|talk]]) 07:13, 25 December 2024 (UTC) |
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: {{re|Zbani kurdi}} Welcome! To create a link to another Wikipedia page, enclose it in double-square brackets. <nowiki>[[Wikipedia]]</nowiki> produces [[Wikipedia]] -- a link to the encycopedia article on Wikipedia. I suggest you try out the [[WP:TUTORIAL]] or the interactive learning game at [[WP:ADVENTURE]] [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 18:45, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:That's {{U|Timtrent}}, with one more "t", [[User:Krzapex|Krzapex]]. I was surprised that he suggested that you should come here, until I read his comment: "This is not the correct route to seek to create Help: pages. Please ask about this at WP:TEAHOUSE". Somebody could simply move the page. But before that, a couple of suggestions: (i) "English approximation" is less helpful than what I presume it means in this context, viz, "Approximation in General American English or RP British English (unless otherwise noted)"; but the latter of course would be horribly bulky. Perhaps add it as a footnote? (ii) Better I think to invite comments from the denizens of [[Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language]] (if you haven't already done so). The page is frequented by some actual phoneticians/phonologists. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 10:52, 25 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== What Makes Quality Sources? == |
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== Editor considers source invalid == |
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Frankly speaking, I have read a couple of approved articles on Wikipedia to compare it to my recently submitted one. I have also read to crosscheck on Wikipedia policies and guidelines on notability but I am moved by surprised on the standpoint of some reviewers. |
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I created an entry for an art historian who is included in a standard source for the field, the Dictionary of Art Historians (https://arthistorians.info/). I included one reference to the DAH entry at the beginning instead of referencing each fact from it. User:BoyTheKingCanDance deleted nearly my entire entry for lack of third-party sources but I have seen the DAH used to reference biographical facts for many other art historians. [[User:Edanziger|Edanziger]] ([[User talk:Edanziger|talk]]) 07:27, 25 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:Hi, @[[User:Edanziger|Edanziger]]! (and courtesy ping to@[[User:BoyTheKingCanDance|BoyTheKingCanDance]]) Art history isn't my thing, but I'm assuming you're talking about the article [[Douglas Lewis (art historian)]]? There seems to have been a slight misunderstanding here. Because you didn't use inline references, BTKCD probably missed that the "unreferenced" material was, in fact, supported by the source. I'll restore the material for you - but I want to let you you about one thing. You copied the entire article from the Dictionary of Art Historians page. Normally that wouldn't be okay because of copyright laws, but as the website makes all their text available under a [[Creative Commons]] commercial license (CC-BY SA 4), it's fine. However, whenever you import freely-licensed text into Wikipedia, you need to attribute it. You can do this by adding a template to the reference(s) - in this case, specifically the {{tl|Creative Commons text attribution notice}} or {{tl|CCBYSA4Source}}. You can read more instructions here: [[WP:FREECOPY]]. |
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First, can't an article on a political appointee be accepted on Wikipedia? Second,can't the same article be approved when the sources reports official duties of the office holder? Third, are print news third party independent sources which do not have online platform unaccepted to give a subject notability? Fourth, on the office of a mayour or local government chairman, is he not worthy of inclusion on Wikipedia even when reliable and veritable sources are available? Fifth, when did Wikipedia policies start considering notability based on the numerical strength and number of towns a mayor or local government chairman controls? |
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:In the future, you can avoid this by using [[WP:INLINE|inline references]], so other people can easily see where you got your information from. I hope that helps! [[User:GreenLipstickLesbian|GreenLipstickLesbian]] ([[User talk:GreenLipstickLesbian|talk]]) 07:47, 25 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:It would be worth hunting down some alternative sources anyway as you've only got the one source then I don't know how if this subject will meet [[WP:NBIO]]. It doesn't help that the WaPo links at the end seem to be broken. -- [[User:DandelionAndBurdock|D'n'B]]-''[[User_talk:DandelionAndBurdock|t]]'' -- 07:49, 25 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|Edanziger}} Just going to add that even if the content of the ''Dictionary of Art Historians'' page is OK from a copyright standpoint, it would still probably be better for you to summarize said content in your own words than to simply copy-and-paste it verbatim into the Wikipedia article. The website hosting the content isn't really subject to any of Wikipedia policies and guidelines or even Wikipedia's [[:MOS:MOS|Manual of Style]], and third-party website content can often be written in a manner that's not suitable for Wikipedia's purposes. By rewriting the content in your own words, you have a chance to make sure it's appropriate for Wikipedia. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 08:00, 25 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Let us take the case of [[Draft:Ojo Maduekwe]] and [[Draft:Ibrahim Magu]]. These are political appointees yet they are accepted as articles on Wikipedia. The case of the first subject even surprised me as there are only 4 sources cited on it. When that of the second article has sources discussing his official duties as EFCC Chairman. |
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:Thank you for the suggestions, everyone! I’ll return to this after the holidays. [[User:Edanziger|Edanziger]] ([[User talk:Edanziger|talk]]) 08:19, 25 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::{{reply-to|Edanziger}} Just as a point of information, in the citation, you should be crediting Lee Sorensen as the editor of the ''Dictionary of Art Historians''. [[User:Fabrickator|Fabrickator]] ([[User talk:Fabrickator|talk]]) 10:05, 25 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Let our reviewers be fair in their acceptance and rejection of articles. [[User:Nwachinazo|Nwachinazo]] ([[User talk:Nwachinazo|talk]]) 18:41, 16 February 2021 (UTC) [[User:Nwachinazo|Nwachinazo]] ([[User talk:Nwachinazo|talk]]) 18:41, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:Courtesy: Nwachinazo's examples are [[Ojo Maduekwe]] and [[Ibrahim Magu]], i.e., articles, not drafts. The fact that other stuff exists ([[WP:Other stuff exists]]) is not considered a valid justification for a disputed draft, in this instance [[Draft:Nyerere Ogbonna]]. A difference I consider valid is that Ogbonna is an appointee at a state level whereas Maduekwe and Magu were at federal level. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 18:51, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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== Mexican State Flags == |
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Every state in Mexico has a coat of arms and a flag in their infobox. However, that flag is almost always just the seal on a white background. I have heard that Mexican state flags are not really a thing on public display, and if you look at the Spanish Wikipedia for Mexican State X it just has the seal and not the flag. Why do we have Mexican state flags on English Wikipedia? Is it just to keep the formatting the same as states in other countries? They seem made up and unnecessary. [[User:T-Ro Trains|T-Ro Trains]] ([[User talk:T-Ro Trains|talk]]) 19:05, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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== finding citations == |
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I have trouble getting enough reference material online to add citations where needed. I have tried the local library and Internet Archive. There must be other sources to use. Would there be a list of online resources for those of us who like to add citations? [[User:OodFloo|OodFloo]] ([[User talk:OodFloo|talk]]) 19:54, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|OodFloo}} [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources]] could be helpful, but it probably depends on the subject of the article - what is reliable for video games may not be reliable for international governmental relations. [[Template:Find sources]] might be helpful. Reaching out to the WikiProjects associated with the article may also be helpful. [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 20:17, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::{{ping|OodFloo}} What are you looking to write about? What are your interests? [[User:AdmiralEek|AdmiralEek]] ([[User talk:AdmiralEek|talk]]) 20:36, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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== Suggestion- Can you Pls. ADD Televangelist Michael Dean Murdock, to LAKE CHARLES, LOUISIANA'S "NOTED PEOPLE" Section ? Thanks You Very Much. == |
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[[Special:Contributions/2603:6011:4544:7300:5471:2BEC:74D7:87F1|2603:6011:4544:7300:5471:2BEC:74D7:87F1]] ([[User talk:2603:6011:4544:7300:5471:2BEC:74D7:87F1|talk]]) 20:08, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:Done. We've also removed a number of names that shouldn't be there per our policy at [[WP:LISTPEOPLE]]--[[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]]|[[User talk:Shantavira|<sup>feed me</sup>]] 20:16, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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== Infobox problems == |
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I have an infobox that has stopped working. The code is as follows |
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{{Infobox person |
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|name = Elizabeth Clark |
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|image = Elizabeth Clark {{Circa|1915}} .jpg |
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|caption = Elizabeth Clark, about 1915 |
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|birth_date = {{Birth date|1875|05|14|df=yes}} |
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|birth_place = [[Hartlebury]], [[Worcestershire]], United Kingdom |
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|occupation = Story teller, lecturer, author |
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|death_date = {{Death date and age|1972|04|21|1875|05|14|df=yes}} |
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|death_place = [[Winchester]], [[Hampshire]], United Kingdom |
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|resting_place = [[Kilmeston]], [[Hampshire]], United Kingdom |
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|years_active = 1915–1955 |
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}} |
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I think I have the correct filename under image, but I have forgotten how to find files. Could somebody please tell me how to locate my files? [[User:Pogga D|Pogga D]] ([[User talk:Pogga D|talk]]) 20:20, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{u|Pogga D}}, I believe your {{tl|circa}} template is breaking the file name. —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu 🐲</span>]] ( [[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]] ) 20:21, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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I don't quite understand what you mean. If I remove the {{circa 1915}} it makes no difference I still don't get the image. I need to check the name of the file.[[User:Pogga D|Pogga D]] ([[User talk:Pogga D|talk]]) 20:35, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|Pogga D}} Is it a file you uploaded? Did you upload it here on Wikipedia, or on WikiCommons? [[User:AdmiralEek|AdmiralEek]] ([[User talk:AdmiralEek|talk]]) 20:38, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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I can't recall, I really need to search both.[[User:Pogga D|Pogga D]] ([[User talk:Pogga D|talk]]) 20:43, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{U|Pogga D}} The file is called [[:File:Elizabeth Clark c 1915.jpg]] (with no . after the c). As the filename in the article needs to be exactly the same as the uploaded name, I removed the circa template. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk)]] 20:48, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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Cyprus military ranks
[edit]I need help with the NCO ranks, i already made the png files how the ranks look but i dont know how to modify the code so i make it look like the greek one, cypriot army have 2 nco ranks for every rank, one for permanent NCOs that completed military academy and the other for SYP-EPY (in Greece EPOP-EMTh) for contracted NCOs that cannot become Warrant Officers, example bellow.
NCO and other ranks
[edit]NCO ranks (excl. OR-9 and conscript ranks) have undergone some changes through the years, the latest being in 2004.[1]
NATO code | OR-9 | OR-8 | OR-7 | OR-6 | OR-5 | OR-4 | OR-3 | OR-2 | OR-1 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Hellenic Army[2] |
Arm/corps insignia only | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Ανθυπασπιστής[a] Anthypaspistis |
Αρχιλοχίας Archilochias |
Επιλοχίας Epilochias |
Λοχίας Lochias |
Δεκανέας Dekaneas |
Υποδεκανέας Ypodekaneas |
Στρατιώτης Stratiotis | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Greece (Conscripts) |
No equivalent |
No insignia | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Δόκιμος Έφεδρος Αξιωματικός Dokimos Efedros Axiomatikos[a] |
Λοχίας Lochias |
Δεκανέας Dekaneas |
Υποδεκανέας Ypodekaneas |
Υποψήφιος Έφεδρος Βαθμοφόρος Ypopsifios Efedros Bathmoforos |
Στρατιώτης Stratiotis |
- ^ tanea.gr (2004-10-11). "Aλλάζουν το εθνόσημο και οι «σαρδέλες»". ΤΑ ΝΕΑ (in Greek). Retrieved 2024-06-10.
- ^ "Διακριτικά Φ/Π Στολών Υπαξιωματικών Αποφοίτων ΣΜΥ" [Badges F / P Uniforms of Non-Commissioned Officer Graduates]. army.gr (in Greek). Hellenic Army. Retrieved 26 May 2021.
References
Notes
- @Hog Farm: Hi. Would you be able to answer this question? I mean, does it come under the field you are knowledgeable about (MILHIST)? I already have a program/bot that finds the creators of discussions, I will ping the OP in few hours. —usernamekiran (talk) 06:09, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
Rules of recommendations to add links in an article
[edit]Hello ! I'd like to know if there are rules or recommendations to add links in an article.
I'm talking about internal links to Wikipedia in English.
As an example. We can choose the article "Bashar Al-Assad".
If there are a section or a sub-section citing "Moscow" (This is an example but I could take another subject mentionned on this article).
If Moscow is linked one time in the article. Can I do it for others sections or sub-sections if this is not the same sub-section or section ?
If you don't understand what I means with words "section" and "sub-section".
You can see the example below.
Can I draft an article about myself and get it published on this site?
[edit]Hi Everyone,
I am new here and I want to contribute a page of my own life story, but it may not work with the management since they prefer to have someone else to write about it. That's my understanding, but what if a person wants to do what I want with integrity and facts? I am trying to establish just one short page on the topic to start later edits by other editors. Thank you, Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor (talk) 22:27, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor. I suggest you take a look at Wikipedia:Autobiography, Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything because it sounds like you might be misunderstanding some things about Wikipedia and how it works. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:33, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- To succeed, a draft submitted to AfC for review must have content verified by references to succeed. You are prohibited from creating a draft about yourself based on what you know to be true with the hope that other editors will provide the references (if there are any). David notMD (talk) 23:50, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, David notMD. Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor (talk) 20:00, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Marchjuly, thank you for your suggestion. I've checked the contents you suggested me to look into and I gathered that there would be no chance for anyone to contribute their biography on Wikipedia. The only way apparent to me now is that other people who are willing to cover someone who are noted write a piece about that individual. Am I not misunderstanding now? Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor (talk) 03:12, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- In addition @Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor
- I feel there is need for you to understand basic editing, See WP:Editing before creating articles as this can be very difficult for beginners who just joined the project. Tesleemah (talk) 05:24, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- You're not quite understanding. People who are truly notable can write biographies about themselves and have them published, and some have. But this is hard to do when you have a conflict of interest, as we all do about ourselves.
- See WP:Golden Rule. That is what's required, in a nutsheell. Are there published reliable sources that are independent of you, providing significant coverage of you? If there are multiple such sources, then yes, you can write a biography citing them. The biography cannot use any information other than what is published, so you cannot write what you know, you must write what has been covered. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:43, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for your comments and clarification. I do multiple have published reliable sources in English and Chinese that are independent of myself. I think I will tive i.rLetyme know if you have any more comments. I'd appreciate that. now? Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor (talk) 18:19, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I get it. Thank you. Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor (talk) 20:02, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor: As posted above, even though creating an article about yourself isn't expressly prohibited, it can be quite hard and those who try often end up feeling quite frustrated when they start running into problems while trying to do so. My suggestion to you would be to use the Wikipedia:Articles for creation process to first work on a draft for an article and then submit that draft for review when you think it's ready. If the draft is declined (even multiple times), the reviewer will explain why and otherwise leave feedback on what further is needed for the draft to someday be accepted as an article. There's no real deadline when it comes to drafts, and you can work at your own pace on it. The only thing you need to do is continue working on improving it and avoid submitting the same declined version over and over again; you also need to make sure you don't "abandon" the draft by not making any meaningful edits to it for six months because such drafts are eligible for speedy deletion. You're not required to start a draft per se, but once something gets added to the Wikipedia article namespace, pretty much anything goes and the page can be edited by anyone at anytime; this could mean improvements, but it could just as easily mean being nominated, proposed or tagged for WP:DELETION. Before pressing ahead, you might want to take a look at Wikipedia:Notability (people), Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons, Wikipedia:Conflict of interest editing (particularly the WP:COISELF and WP:LUC sections), Wikipedia:Ownership of content and Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing because you'll have pretty much zero final editorial control over any article you create about yourself, and all of it's content will be expected to be in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines, which in some cases might not be the same as what you want it to be. -- Marchjuly (talk) 20:29, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- Again, thanks for the thorough explanations. I have gained a lot more understanding now. So, it's the best for other people to write about someone else. I get it, but how about people have someone other than themselves write their biography, for example, people who know the topic person well, or hired writers? Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor (talk) 21:08, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- It's best to avoid COI editing, especially paid editing. It tends to attract hostile scrutiny.
- Depending on who you are, there may be someone who would be interested in writing an article about you. Many editors specialize in certain types of biography: sports figures, academicians, scientists; the bios I write are often about chefs. But that would require you to disclose your identity, which you may not want to do. Valereee (talk) 21:15, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor: Any type of "paid" editing needs to be done in accordance with WP:PAID; it's not expressly prohibited to have an article created by paying someone to do it for you, but basically that's a contract between you and the other party that has nothing to do with Wikipedia. It's your money and you're free to spend it as you please, but there are lots of WP:SCAMs out there that promise all kinds of things that simply are impossible to deliver; so, if you do decide to take that path, you should make sure to ask lots of questions before giving someone your money because Wikipedia won't help you get it back if things go wrong. Other options to consider might be trying WP:RA (which seems to be more miss than hit) or asking on the talk page of a WikiProject that might be related to whatever you think makes you Wikipedia notable. Whatever you do, you're going to most likely find it hard to remain anonymous because Wikipedia operates in the WP:REALWORLD, and the way it's set up can make it easy for others to connect the dots and figure out who you really are.Personally, I still find it a bit odd when people seek to either create Wikipedia articles about themselves or try to find/pay someone to create such an article on their behalf. That sort of indicates to me that said person might be mistaking Wikipedia for some type of social media site or other kind of online profile site, which it's most definitely not. The most natural way for someone to have a Wikipedia article created about them is for them to do enough Wikipedia notable things so that reliable sources start covering them to the point that someone completely unconnected to them wants to create such an article. Of course, since this tends to work better for really famous people like movie stars. musicians, pro athletes, etc. than it does for other types of people who tend to be ignored by main stream media sources, I can somewhat understand feeling "I've got to do this myself because nobody is going to do it for me". Still it comes down to someone wanting to have a Wikipedia article written about them despite the fact that they're pretty much going to have zero control over what that article becomes over time. There seem to be much better WP:ALTERNATIVEs these days for someone to establish an online presence that they'll have total editorial control over and be able to use to let the world know about all about themselves. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:23, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry to bother you again. Did you mean that the persons (such as celebrities, known politicians) who have a page written by unconnected people is not able to edit that page which is about the very themselves? Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor (talk) 18:57, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- They can edit it, but anyone else is free to edit, too. Article subjects have no control over the articles about them. Other editors can add stuff you'd prefer not to include and can remove stuff you'd like to include. Valereee (talk) 20:23, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor: The subjects of articles can edit said articles, but they're going to be expected to do so in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines just like any other editor; the subjects of articles don't "own" the articles in the sense that they've got total control over what's written in the article, and they can't stop others from editing the article. When the subject of an article has a problem with what's written about them, Wikipedia has processes in place to try and help them sort things out as explained here; Wikipedia, however, doesn't do what the subject wants just because the subject wants it done. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:00, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- The general guidance is that the subject of an article can make minor corrections to grammar, spelling, numers, names, etc, can add citations to reliable independent sources, and can revert obvious vandalism. Anything more substantive than that should be proposed on the article talk page.
- That's after the article has been published. While it's still a draft, the subject is free to make any edits to it, and a reviewer would either accept the draft for publicaiton or decline it. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:09, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry to bother you again. Did you mean that the persons (such as celebrities, known politicians) who have a page written by unconnected people is not able to edit that page which is about the very themselves? Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor (talk) 18:57, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Again, thanks for the thorough explanations. I have gained a lot more understanding now. So, it's the best for other people to write about someone else. I get it, but how about people have someone other than themselves write their biography, for example, people who know the topic person well, or hired writers? Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor (talk) 21:08, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor: As posted above, even though creating an article about yourself isn't expressly prohibited, it can be quite hard and those who try often end up feeling quite frustrated when they start running into problems while trying to do so. My suggestion to you would be to use the Wikipedia:Articles for creation process to first work on a draft for an article and then submit that draft for review when you think it's ready. If the draft is declined (even multiple times), the reviewer will explain why and otherwise leave feedback on what further is needed for the draft to someday be accepted as an article. There's no real deadline when it comes to drafts, and you can work at your own pace on it. The only thing you need to do is continue working on improving it and avoid submitting the same declined version over and over again; you also need to make sure you don't "abandon" the draft by not making any meaningful edits to it for six months because such drafts are eligible for speedy deletion. You're not required to start a draft per se, but once something gets added to the Wikipedia article namespace, pretty much anything goes and the page can be edited by anyone at anytime; this could mean improvements, but it could just as easily mean being nominated, proposed or tagged for WP:DELETION. Before pressing ahead, you might want to take a look at Wikipedia:Notability (people), Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons, Wikipedia:Conflict of interest editing (particularly the WP:COISELF and WP:LUC sections), Wikipedia:Ownership of content and Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing because you'll have pretty much zero final editorial control over any article you create about yourself, and all of it's content will be expected to be in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines, which in some cases might not be the same as what you want it to be. -- Marchjuly (talk) 20:29, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- To succeed, a draft submitted to AfC for review must have content verified by references to succeed. You are prohibited from creating a draft about yourself based on what you know to be true with the hope that other editors will provide the references (if there are any). David notMD (talk) 23:50, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
Sandbox
[edit]Is there any way to use existing articles as template sorta things for the sandbox? Any help is appreciated! Willzdawgh (talk) 04:05, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Willzdawgh. Yes. you can copy an existing article into your sandbox, but for attribution purposes, you should use an edit summary of something like "Copying (article title) into my sandbox for article development purposes". Wikilink the article in question where I said (article title). Cullen328 (talk) 04:18, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- Copying Donald Trump into my sandbox for article development purposes
- Like that? Willzdawgh (talk) 04:20, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- That is a massive and highly controversial article, Willzdawgh. Why on earth would you select that article? Cullen328 (talk) 04:34, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- srry if I did something wrong bro. I'm new and I also forgot to mention that I was wanting to do this merely bc I was bored. I'm sorry if that's a problem. More specifically I wanted to mess around with hypertranslate and replace the article's text with the result on hypertranslate. I'm sorry if I'm unknowingly planning on doing something I'm not allowed to. I'll refrain from doing this if that's the case. Once again, very sorry. Willzdawgh (talk) 04:42, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- No need to apologize. If you're here to experiment, I recommend scouting scouting out stub articles via Special:RandomPage, pasting the wikitext into your sandbox, and messing around with the source there. If you need any help, you can refer to the tutorial at Help:Wikitext, the cheatsheet at Help:Cheatsheet, or an experienced editor (not me.) Thanks for asking, Sparkle and Fade talkedits 04:45, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- Something like that should be done either A) on your computer or B) in your sandbox. Certainly not on a massive and controversial page like Donald Trump User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 07:18, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- srry if I did something wrong bro. I'm new and I also forgot to mention that I was wanting to do this merely bc I was bored. I'm sorry if that's a problem. More specifically I wanted to mess around with hypertranslate and replace the article's text with the result on hypertranslate. I'm sorry if I'm unknowingly planning on doing something I'm not allowed to. I'll refrain from doing this if that's the case. Once again, very sorry. Willzdawgh (talk) 04:42, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- That is a massive and highly controversial article, Willzdawgh. Why on earth would you select that article? Cullen328 (talk) 04:34, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
Willzdawgh Applying the Hypertranslate software to the text of an existing article and then replacing the original text would be considered vandalism and would result in your account being indefinitely blocked. If all you are is curious about what repeated Google Translate would do to any Wikipedia text, do that on your own computer and do not bring it back to Wikipedia. David notMD (talk) 11:45, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
Passive voice in articles
[edit]Courtesy link: Sacred Reich (sandbox)
I'm working on a draft for the Sacred Reich article (at my sandbox) for a major edit, and I ran my text through numerous grammar/spellcheckers like EasyBib and Grammarly. The most common—and most confusing—is on the use of passive voice. For context, passive voice is "the ball was kicked by Jeremy", while active voice is "Jeremy kicked the ball". I don't know whether or not I should be using passive voice in my prose (i.e. "Greg Hall was fired from the band and was replaced by drummer Tim Radziwill). I have attempted to use featured articles as examples, but usually doesn't seem to happen because of the abundance of information on the subject (i.e The Beatles or Alice in Chains) compared to a band like Sacred Reich. In my opinion, I'm not sure whether or not to use passive voice because it sounds rough when introducing a new member.
For example, "Greg Hall ... was replaced by Dave McClain ... later that year." vs. "Dave McClain replaced Greg Hall later that year." usually justifies using passive voice, but in context, this his first mention in the article and it disrupts the flow of the prose. In context:
Sacred Reich toured for nearly two years in support of The American Way, headlining major tours with Atrophy, Obituary, and Forced Entry. They also supported Venom in Europe and for Sepultura on their Arise tour in both Europe and North America. In 1991, the band released an EP, titled A Question. Former S.A. Slayer member Dave McClain replaced Greg Hall, who found their extensive touring to be difficult, later that year.
I'm still not sure if it justifies using active voice or not. If it does, please let me know. On a side note, I've noticed an abundance of the phrase "later that year" in my writing, and I don't know how to rewrite it properly because of vague dates in the source material. If anyone can help me with that as well, please let me know so I can get rid of the repetition. Thanks for reading. —Sparkle and Fade talkedits 04:33, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- I think it's clunky because of where you put 'later that year'. It reads much better if you put it first - Later that year former S.A. Slayer member Dave McClain replaced Greg Hall, who found the extensive touring difficult. I don't think you should worry too much about active vs passive voice. Despite what grammar checkers might tell you, there's no one right way to write. Blackballnz (talk) 06:29, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the tip, Blackballnz. I appreciate the advice, it does actually seem more about the word placement than the voice construction, and I'll make sure to refactor the article to read better. Thanks, Sparkle and Fade talkedits 06:56, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- In my view, Sparkle & Fade, the active voice is almost always best for writing encyclopedia articles. We favor a direct, clear and concise style of writing. Here is a good explanation from the University of Wisconsin - Madison. Wikipedia:Writing better articles also offers a lot of good advice. Cullen328 (talk) 07:50, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- passive voice is best used when you have to avoid to ascribe an action to someone. Example: somebody was fired from the band. The reference uses passive voice, thereby avoiding to say who did it. Now you have a choice. Either search for a reference, that says who was firing or use passive voice too to avoid to say who did the firing. What you can't do is to figure out who could do the firings in general and then ascribe that firing to him in active voice! 176.0.139.10 (talk) 12:03, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- When it matters (and you know) who took the action, use the active. When it's not important who was the actor, by all means use the passive. Grammarly and its friends express a prejudice against the passive which appeared in the early 20th C, often by writers who failed to follow their own injunction, and sometimes appeared unable to detect a passive accurately. See http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/%7Emyl/languagelog/archives/003380.html. ColinFine (talk) 15:33, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the tip, Blackballnz. I appreciate the advice, it does actually seem more about the word placement than the voice construction, and I'll make sure to refactor the article to read better. Thanks, Sparkle and Fade talkedits 06:56, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- here's what every professor in college ever told me about writing expository, "use active voice!" It doesn't always sound good, but we aren't trying to be artistic or poetic with expository, we are trying to be clear and concise, and active voice is always the clearer choice.
- Also, if you move "later that year" to the beginning of the sentence as one contributor suggested, please put a comma after "year" as it is a prepositional phrase. I.e. Later that year, former S.A. Slayer member... BTW, I do agree with putting it at the beginning. It sounds better and makes the sentence clearer. Dougjaso (talk) 18:04, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- However, also note what our Manual of Style says in MOS:PASSIVE:
CodeTalker (talk) 23:04, 24 December 2024 (UTC)The passive voice is inappropriate for some forms of writing, but it is widely used in encyclopedia articles, because the passive voice avoids inappropriate first- and second-person constructions as well as tone problems. The most common uses of encyclopedic passive are to keep the focus on the subject instead of performing a news-style shift to dwelling on a non-notable party.
New editor needs some help.
[edit]Hi there, I'm new. I wrote 2 drafts: 1 about an Internship Program which I found interested in, 1 is a course in social science field. I submitted 2 drafts and all rejected.
After editing few more things. I still don't know how to make references more reliable, or which content is the promoting material?
Here is my 2 drafts: MIP and Vietnamese writing practice Miyano25 (talk) 08:15, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- Miyano25 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Note that "rejected" has a specific meaning in the draft process, that a draft may not be resubmitted. Your drafts were "declined", meaning that they may be resubmitted.
- Wikipedia is not a place to just tell about something. A Wikipedia article summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the topic, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of notability- such as a notable organization. Regarding MIP, you did a great job telling about the structure of the program and its offerings- but that's not what we're looking for(alone, at least). We're looking for a summary of what others say about the program. The same goes for the Vietnamese course. You can't "make references more reliable"- they either are, or they're not. Reliable sources are those which have a reputation of fact checking and editorial control- like reputable news outlets(just one example). 331dot (talk) 08:41, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oh I see, thanks for explaining. Is it okay if I can summarize what other people say about the program but don't have a source to back it up, or have a source but it's not reliable to make it as a source? Miyano25 (talk) 14:23, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
Watchlist preferences and settings
[edit]My watchlist continues to show categorization edits, despite checking <Hide categorization of pages> in my preferences. I've tried both the javascript and the non-javascript watchlists. The unwanted watchlist edits that do appear seem to all be made via either HotCat or Cat-a-lot. They aren't marked as minor edits, but I actually don't want to hide all minor edits. I have also selected the watchlist filter <Human (not bot)>, without luck; perhaps because they're merely semi-automated edits (as opposed to actual bots?). I have checked the tag to exclude all AWB edits, which does work for those. Does anyone have any thoughts? Scottyoak2 (talk) 02:00, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Are you speaking about the Watchlist for Wikipedia in English language ?
- Can you make screenshots ? I can possibly help you with some screenshots but I can't guarantee I can help you with efficiency. Anatole-berthe (talk) 04:56, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for your reply. The English Wikipedia, yes. I just was hoping that someone might already know how to filter out streams of edits made with HotCat or Cat-a-lot that sometimes flood my watchlist. If not, I can take a pair of pruning shears to my watchlist--an activity which might make a good New Year's resolution. Scottyoak2 (talk) 14:25, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Are you seeing edits to pages on you watchlist that happen to change the categories? Or is the category itself on your watchlist? Because I think the "Hide categorization of pages" setting only applies to categories you are watching. So if you uncheck that preference, and you add a category to your watchlist, you'll see any page that is added to or removed from that category show up in your watchlist. With the preference enabled, you won't see those changes, but you'd still see changes to the category itself, for example to the description.
- I'm not sure if there's an easy way to filter out category-change edits to pages you see watching, because those edits are fundamentally just regular edits. And they are usually not minor edits, because category changes can be quite controversial sometimes, especially around BLPs or other contentious topics. --rchard2scout (talk) 03:12, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
Technical question about the long hyphen
[edit]Hi!
I've been editing the timeline of Polermo where the long hyphen dominates, but I can't seem to generate one.Typing a regular hyphen, gives me just that - a regular hyphen, typing two hyphens gives me two hyphens (--) and trying to make one through the keboard shortcut which I found on internet forums (Alt+0151), just gives me one that's too long (—). So far I've been copying and pasting existing long hyphens which is kind of annoying, does anyone have any better solutions?
Thanks! Moonshane1933 (talk) 14:38, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, @Moonshane1933. I think you're talking about an em-dash. See MOS:EMDASH ColinFine (talk) 14:52, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yes! That's what I meant! Thank you! Moonshane1933 (talk) 15:15, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think you could find a better character in "unicode table".
- This "article" is listing the most common characters.
- There are also the "Unicode block" entry on Wikipedia that can be maybe helpful. Anatole-berthe (talk) 14:54, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Excellent. Thank you too! Moonshane1933 (talk) 15:16, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think ressources I shared with you will help you but I hope it will. Anatole-berthe (talk) 15:45, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Excellent. Thank you too! Moonshane1933 (talk) 15:16, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Ignoring the Minus sign, there are three 'horizontal line' characters most commonly used in text, the hyphen, the N-dash and the M-dash. There are various ways to insert the latter two; usually I do so with [alt]+0150 and [alt]+0151. Despite being a former professional book editor, I have not previously encountered a "long hyphen" (a term not found anywhere in Wikipedia). Note that the lengths of all these characters may look different in different typefaces: I suspect your "long hyphen" is an N-dash. [Apologies for semi-overlap with answers above.] {The poster formerly known as 897.81.230.195} 94.1.223.204 (talk) 17:00, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Moonshane1933 If you use the source editor, which you can do even if you mainly edit with the visual editor, you'll find that the N-dash and M-dash appear at the foot of the editing window, where you can click on them to insert them into text. Other useful tags like <ref></ref> are also available with a single click. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:11, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
This may be the wrong place to mention this
[edit]On the page Lowercase Sigmabot |||, there is a infobox; in that infobox lies an image of a supposed “plane” labeled “Lowercase sigmabot ||| archiving a discussion” or something like that. Is this a joke by the moderators of Wikipedia? Selectortopic (talk) 16:06, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- This is not an article but an Userpage. Humor is allowed on this kind of page.
- If you click on my nickname. You could read my page. Anatole-berthe (talk) 16:17, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- No, @Selectortopic, it's a joke by whoever edited that page (actually the user, @Lowercase sigmabot III). We don't have moderators, and admins have no role in the content of articles (though the users who are admins may have, but not in their admin role) ColinFine (talk) 16:18, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Selectortopic: It's a humorous remark added by the bot operator [1] who is not an administrator. Many bot operators are normal users. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:56, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Someone know how to create a bot for a repetitive task ? Anatole-berthe (talk) 17:01, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Anatole-berthe See WP:BOTR page where you can make a request. There may already be a bot to do what you want and you need to explain in detail what you want and why. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:38, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks ! Anatole-berthe (talk) 20:59, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Anatole-berthe See WP:BOTR page where you can make a request. There may already be a bot to do what you want and you need to explain in detail what you want and why. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:38, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Someone know how to create a bot for a repetitive task ? Anatole-berthe (talk) 17:01, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
How can i improve my page?
[edit]I'm actually working on the wikipedia page Villa Fraccaroli for a university project, i need to improve the page to be categorized as B before the 31 of december to get a good mark (it's actually start class), it is really difficult to find some good and reliable sources. Thank you in advance! Liucmicol01 (talk) 17:35, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- I think it is not realistic to expect this page be categorized B before the 31 of december.
Anatole-berthe (talk) 17:41, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Liucmicol01, the lead (opening section) of an article should summarise the body of the article. As faar as I can tell, the second paragraph of Villa Fraccaroli does not relate to anything in the body of the article. Maproom (talk) 18:12, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- That seems like an unreasonable expectation, as the assessment depends on someone else doing the assessing, and Wikipedia has no deadlines. If your prof -- Limelightangel, it looks like? -- wants to do the assessments, they can, but it's not really reasonable to expect assessments to be done by others. Valereee (talk) 18:12, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, @Liucmicol01. As you were told two days ago, there is no way to guarantee that the article will get any particular rating by a particlar date, and few editors are much concerned with ratings anyway. But since you are concerned with ratings, you would do best to ask at the talk page of one of the Wikiprojects related to the article. ColinFine (talk) 18:15, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Liucmicol01 .... or just assign a "B" yourself and hope that your instructor doesn't notice who did that edit ;-) Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:28, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Although as MDT pointed out, you could yourself change the rating from C-class to B-class, don't. The article does not qualify. From just a quick look at some of the content and references, the refs do not always verify the content. David notMD (talk) 13:41, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Liucmicol01 .... or just assign a "B" yourself and hope that your instructor doesn't notice who did that edit ;-) Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:28, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
Search suggestions have changed for the worse
[edit]I have always been able to count on Wikipedia's search function to provide me with a list of articles connected with the term entered in the search field. Today, however, I'm not getting these, but rather only short and apparently arbitrary lists of articles that I've viewed or edited. When I type "A", for example, I get:
ajedrez
Angelou
Alvin Bragg
Abbot and Costello
Athena
Ari
When I add a "b" to this, the list becomes:
Abbot and Costello
Abe Fortas
When I add an "r", I get nothing, no Abrahams or anything else.
And so on. This is a purely arbitrary example, but I hope it serves to illustrate. What I would always get before would be a list of a dozen or so articles, which was limited but very often helpful. I checked my preferences but all I saw was "Disable the suggestions dropdown-lists of the search fields", which was unchecked as always. Any info or advice on this would be very welcome, thanks. Bret Sterling (talk) 17:36, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- I personally always use advanced search, but you can try google with the modifier site:en.wikipedia.org to force it to only search wikipedia (or just type "wikipedia" before your search query) Cmrc23 ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ 17:43, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Bret Sterling Are you using the current default WP:VECTOR22 skin? I find that its search box is better than for other, older, skins and the results for "Abr" are perfectly sensible, with the first suggestion being Abr. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:35, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for these suggestions, Cmrc23 and Michael D. Turnbull. The Advanced search option does provide me with many good finds and I should have been using it previously, but Content pages gives me results like I used to get directly under the search text field only more of them. I checked my WP skin and saw I was using the current default but still not getting the suggestions, so then I could figure it was something on my end and checked to see if I had "Block scripts" activated in Brave Shields. I saw that I did, deactivated it and now I'm getting the suggestions as before. Sorry, false alarm, this wasn't a Wikipedia change as I wrongly suspected. It's interesting that I could get suggestions on pages I've frequented by turning "Block scripts" back on, and I'm curious as to how that works – I mean the apparently default behavior without whatever the script is. Bret Sterling (talk) 19:32, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- But wait a minute. Now I'm not getting the alternative search options (Content pages, Multimedia, Everything, Advanced). Claude AI tells me to type "Special:Search" in the search box to access these and this works, but I had them there just now today without doing this. (I couldn't have done it because I was unaware of the possibility.) So how did I have those options for a while but then didn't have them afterwards? And (what may be the same question) how do I get them without having to type "Special:Search" in the search box? I can do that, but it seems clunky and I have to remember the text to type it. Bret Sterling (talk) 19:49, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- There a variety of userscripts to enhance the search function: Wikipedia:User_scripts/List#Search_form Cmrc23 ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ 10:34, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Bret Sterling I assume that by turning on "Block scripts" Brave Shields is preventing Javascript from running in your browser. The problem is that, as WP:JAVASCRIPT explains, Java is a core part of how much of Wikipedia works, both the standard Mediawiki software and many optional extras like gadgets and userscripts. So, if you are prevernting that running, you are sacrificing functionality for security. Is there an option in Brave Shields to exempt the Wikipedia domain from the block? Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:03, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- There a variety of userscripts to enhance the search function: Wikipedia:User_scripts/List#Search_form Cmrc23 ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ 10:34, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia Timezone
[edit]Out of sheer curiosity, what Time zone does Wikipedia operate under? I'm in the Pacific Standard time zone, and the Did You Know... and On This Day... update at around 4:00pm every day. Shovel Shenanigans (talk) 18:36, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Shovel Shenanigans WP operates under UTC but you can change the defaults you see in your preferences. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:37, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Shovel Shenanigans If you need help to change this in your preference. I can help. Anatole-berthe (talk) 18:39, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Anatole-berthe That's okay, thank you! Honestly, the daily change at 4:00 helps me stick to my schedule. Since I almost always have Wikipedia open, I know it's time to take a break from my other computer-related work when the DYK and OTD changes.
- @Michael D. Turnbull Thanks for the quick reply, and my curiosity has been sated :) Shovel Shenanigans (talk) 20:09, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- That's wonderful ! Anatole-berthe (talk) 20:31, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Shovel Shenanigans If you need help to change this in your preference. I can help. Anatole-berthe (talk) 18:39, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
Papiermark and other money from Weimar Germany
[edit]Hi, I inherited some German banknotes from between 1908 and 1923 and I was wondering wether I could upload scans of them to Wikimedia. I scanned them in out of personal interest and then thought they might be useful.
My main question is about copyright, as in, do I have to ask someone for permission and if so who? But also whether I should digitally sharpen them and how do I properly sort them in? I'm quite new to this and any help is appreciated! The scans are at 1200dpi and saved as 98% JPEGs, with filesizes between 5 and 20MB. I already skimmed over WP:IUP but couldn't find anything related to money or bank notes and I read the copyright data of this scan but I'm unsure if this also applies to my case. Skylar Mlem (talk) 18:46, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, do you know who made the designs for the original banknotes? You might want to review the copyright information for this file: File:Banknote - Sächsische Bank zu Dresden - 100 Mark - 1911.jpg Cmrc23 ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ 19:39, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, @Skylar Mlem. The best place to ask about this sort of question is WP:MCQ. ColinFine (talk) 19:48, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Skylar Mlem Another place, possibly better?, is at Wikipedia Commons where you will upload your images, and ultimately will have to defend copyright status. The help center for copyright issues at Commons is at c:Commons:Village pump/Copyright. You might find this old, archived Commons discussion on the copyright status of § German currency interesting as well. Mathglot (talk) 06:08, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
How do I welcome a new user?
[edit]I noticed a new user that hasn't been welcomed yet. I've seen the templates used on other talk pages; should I just copy paste the source and adapt, or is there a welcome button I can use instead? guninvalid (talk) 22:13, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Guninvalid. There are a number of welcome templates to choose from. Also, if you enable WP:TWINKLE, it has a dropdown menu that lets you select the welcome message that you want to leave on a user talk page, much easier that way. (Twinkle has a bunch of other really useful functions as well.) Hope that helps. Schazjmd (talk) 22:25, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Guninvalid this might be of use to you, Wikipedia:Welcoming committee Knitsey (talk) 22:33, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Doesn't matter anymore, the user I wanted to welcome got blocked by the checkuser. I only wanted to welcome them because I posted them on WP:AN and I noticed they had never been welcomed. guninvalid (talk) 22:54, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
Mystery Dungeon additional info
[edit]Hey I just noticed that the mystery dungeon series is missing an entry and I wasnt sure where to ask to add it, this just seemed like the closest thing to an editor contact place. The entry in question is "Chocobo's Mystery Dungeon Every Buddy!" , released back in 2019 176.6.56.156 (talk) 02:51, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- The article "Chocobo (series)" is not at all long; adequately referenced material about individual items in the series could be added to this article. -- Hoary (talk) 04:10, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
I have a edited page when I was not logged in,now I am logged in,how do I get it back?
[edit]How,how do I get it back? 219.78.249.54 (talk) 04:24, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- You were not logged in when you made this post. When you are correctly logged in, you can edit your userpage to reflect articles that you have worked on as an IP editor. Cullen328 (talk) 07:07, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- And to find the pages you edited, look for your contributions: Special:Contributions/--Your-username--. eg Special:Contributions/219.78.249.54 shows editing Residence Oasis, but Sumanuil reverted all the edits. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:51, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
Moving my English Wikipedia user page to media wiki for a global user page
[edit]I can move my English user page to media wiki to have a global page for all sister projects? I know I can just ask to delete my English page and make a media wiki one but I kinda wanna move it for the edit history. If I can't move it to media wiki ill just move it to User:Anthony2106/old user page Anthony2106 (talk) 04:55, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- What you are asking for @Anthony2106: is an import. You would have to find an administrator on meta, but even so may not be actionable. Instead I would advise you just to create a new page yourself on meta, as you will find that many templates are unavailable there. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:46, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- You saying they will only import important things -- not user pages? Also i'm not worried about the templates as I can use {{:w to get wikipedia templates. Anthony2106 (talk) 08:58, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- On this topic, I was wondering if making an account on english wikipedia counts as a global account for wikipedia purposes Cmrc23 ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ 10:24, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Cmrc23 Did you created your account on "Wikipedia in English language" as first account for projects of Wikimedia ?
- If you go on any Wikipedia language version or another Wikimedia project. If you click on "login" you can log into it.
- I created my account on "French Wikipedia" as first account for projects of Wikimedia.
- I can create accounts with the stuff I explained. Anatole-berthe (talk) 11:03, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Cmrc23 Did you created your account on "Wikipedia in English language" as first account for projects of Wikimedia ?
- So there are not enough userboxes on meta-wiki and that trick {{w: didn't work so maybe ill just leave it on Wikipedia. Anthony2106 (talk) 06:23, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
Problematic BLP and stubifying
[edit]I've come across a BLP, Clifford M. Sobel, which seems to be highly problematic. There is a high amount of unsourced information and likely original research, and also substantial edits from a user named "SOBEL1" who I'm 90% sure has a conflict of interest or is a UPE. Digging through the revision history, there doesn't seem to be much salvageable revisions/info to revert to, and I'm considering stubifying it. However, I have concerns regarding if I should do it or not. Should I try and seek consensus to do it, if so where? Should I contact VRT? If anyone can give me an answer on this, it'd be appreciated. —Sparkle and Fade talkedits 06:14, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for the question, @Sparkle & Fade. Per WP:BLPRS (specifically:
contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced should be removed immediately and without discussion
emphasis not mine), you should be free to remove such poorly sourced content since you're challenging it. Unless you're successful in finding good sources of course. Tarlby (t) (c) 06:43, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
2024 events
[edit]What local incidents around the world, like the 2024 Magdeburg car attack are allowed to be mentioned in the events section of the 2024 year article. Marksaeed2024 (talk) 06:36, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Marksaeed2024. In my view, this tragic attack which has been the subject of significant coverage worldwide, ought to qualify. But potentially gigantic list articles such as year articles need to be restricted somewhat by consensus among editors interested in year articles, especially the current year. So, feel free to make a bold edit, but if you are reverted, Talk:2024 is the place to make your thoughtful case. Cullen328 (talk) 07:16, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
wtf?
[edit]since the fuck when is "black people" a "radical" term????? so is "white people" also considered radical? i am very curious to know.. seems pretty fucking retarded..... 68.142.49.124 (talk) 08:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Where did you see it being called radical? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 08:13, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Can we watch the vulgar language here? We try to be friendly and civil on this page. 331dot (talk) 08:53, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- If you look at Black people it says "racialized classification", not "radical" Graeme Bartlett (talk) 10:04, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
New page for author
[edit]Hello
i am a published author quoted on two Wikipedia pages . I would like to create a page about myself. It looks complicated and I need some help. This is my basic text:
Sarah Bax Horton is a British author of true crime and historical biography. Her first two books, One-armed Jack: Uncovering the Real Jack the Ripper (Michael O’Mara Books, 2023) and Arm of Eve: investigating the Thames Torso Murders were inspired by her great-great grandfather who worked on those original investigations.
Bax Horton proposed new prime suspects in each of her published works, putting forward East End cigar maker Hyam Hyams as Jack the Ripper and Thames waterman James Crick as the Thames Torso Killer. SCC68 (talk) 09:48, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Read this : Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. Write about yourself isn't a thing to do.
- Do you want more informations ? Anatole-berthe (talk) 09:51, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- SCC68 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Writing about yourself is highly discouraged, please see the autobiography policy. Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell about themselves. Wikipedia articles summarize what independent reliable sources say about topics that meet our special Wikipedia definition of notability- like a notable author. Also note that a Wikipedia article is not necessarily desirable. There are good reasons to not want one. 331dot (talk) 09:52, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- and please don't promote your book on the Thames Torso Murders. Theroadislong (talk) 10:02, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- I am an expert on this subject wishing to update an out of date and misleading page. I am also an author of books on this subject. SCC68 (talk) 13:05, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- and please don't promote your book on the Thames Torso Murders. Theroadislong (talk) 10:02, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- @SCC68, not an article, but Sarah Bax Horton is now a redirect. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:39, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you SCC68 (talk) 13:06, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- SCC68, you write: I would like to create a page about myself. It looks complicated and I need some help. People in a number of dodgy little companies are likely to read this, think "Maybe she'll pay" and may then solicit your business. (Perhaps individual Wikipedia editors will do the same.) But if you're wise, you'll ignore such offers. Please read and digest what's said in "Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Scam warning". -- Hoary (talk) 12:31, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
Messed up title when reverting a non-discussed page move. Not sure how to proceed.
[edit]Hi. I don't know whether it's appropriate to ask but I messed up reverting a page move on the Man vs. Bee article. (renamed it to the upcoming sequel show, not the original by mistake), and I cannot fix it as another redirect article already exists. I'm unsure how to fix it and I have royally messed up. Thanks. Cheezknight (talk) 11:34, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Cheezknight, I've moved the page back to Man vs. Bee for you. Let me know if everything looks good now! If a similar issue happens again, feel free to submit a request at Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests. That page is watched by a lot of page movers, who have more extensive permissions relating to moving and renaming articles than most users. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 15:29, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the help! I really appreciate it as I was stumped on what to do. I don't usually move/ merge articles so thanks for fixing it and for pointing me in the right direction if future issues occur. Cheezknight (talk) 16:01, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
Citations
[edit]How to present a citation? 2600:1700:60F8:B010:5113:50DB:F873:638B (talk) 12:06, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- See "Referencing" at WP:TUTORIAL. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:27, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
Im trying to make a page for Jessica Christine Ritchie
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Jessica Christine Ritchie, is an American entrepreneur, artist, and educator Who is of Apache and Blackfoot heritage. She is the founder of DeerWomen, a luxury tea and beauty brand that merges herbal remedies with esoteric traditions. Early Life and Education[edit]Jessica Christine was born in California and raised in Spokane, Washington. Her upbringing amidst the natural landscapes of the Pacific Northwest nurtured a deep appreciation for nature, mythology, and esoteric sciences. She pursued her education at prestigious institutions such as the Royal Academy of Fine Arts in Antwerp, Belgium. Along her journey, she was mentored by notable figures, including author Francesca Lia Block and scholar Maja D'Aoust, further shaping her interdisciplinary approach to creativity and learning. Career[edit]DeerWomen[edit]In 2016, Jessica founded DeerWomen, a luxury tea and beauty brand. The brand reflects her passion for blending herbal remedies and ritualistic recipes with symbolic narratives drawn from folklore. DeerWomen offers a curated collection of products designed to enhance vitality and natural beauty, emphasizing the connection between self-care and authenticity. Relaunched in Antwerp, Belgium, in 2022, the brand’s offerings are now available in select stockists across the USA and Europe. Creative Direction and STEM Education[edit]Jessica’s career extends beyond entrepreneurship. She has worked as a Creative Director, organizing international events that catered to high-profile dignitaries, including Belgian royalty. As a STEM educator, Jessica has taught coding and 3D printing using innovative methods involving gaming and robotics, showcasing her dedication to integrating technology with creative expression. Personal Philosophy[edit]Jessica’s work is profoundly influenced by her Apache and Blackfoot heritage and a deep connection to nature. She advocates for personal rituals and self-care as essential elements of beauty, encouraging individuals to define beauty on their own terms. According to Jessica, true beauty arises when people engage passionately with activities they love. Legacy and Influence[edit]Jessica’s work bridges art, science, and cultural heritage, inspiring others to pursue their unique paths with intention and creativity. Her ability to harmonize traditional wisdom with modern practices makes her a significant figure in the realms of beauty, education, and entrepreneurship. See Also[edit] |
This article is a summary of Jessica Christine Ritchie Magdaleno’s professional and personal journey. Qualek (talk) 14:43, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- This looks largely promotional - which is not allowed on Wikipedia. Furthermore this text does not contain any independent secondary sources. Simply put - this text is inappropriate for Wikipedia as it stands. Simonm223 (talk) 14:48, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Qualek, and welcome to the Teahouse. My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft.
- Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. So writing an article starts with finding reliable independent sources (see 42). What you know about the subject is irrelevant, except where it can be verified from a published source. --ColinFine (talk) 15:42, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
How I can improve my page?
[edit]Hi, I write here a few days ago, to ask if you all can help me to get my page approved (name page: Bove Path), and you all help me but also all my colleagues to get our draft page approved (we really appreciate your help).
I found myself here again to ask you what I can improve to possibly increase the score of the page. I already add the sources that were missing, as one of you recommended, any more suggestion? thank you in advance. LIUCChia.05 (talk) 14:48, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- You can add pronunciation in "Italian language" indicated in "IPA". Anatole-berthe (talk) 14:55, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Bove Path is rated C-class. See Wikipedia:Content assessment to understand the differences between C-class and B-class. Although any editor, including you, can change the rating, I personally perfer to not upgrade ratings on articles I have been editing. David notMD (talk) 15:21, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Where can we see class of an article ? Anatole-berthe (talk) 15:25, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Top of Talk pages usually has ratings: Stub, Start, C-Class, B-class. For GA and FA there is additional detail as to when approved.
- Back to article - in my opinion Biodiversity should be limited to what is near the trail, not the entire park. David notMD (talk) 15:31, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Even if the path cross the park itself? it is not a dispersive area you can find and encounter, with a bit of luck, all those species during the trekking itself. LIUCChia.05 (talk) 16:23, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- I have reassessed the article as "B". Cullen328 (talk) 17:39, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for you help ! Now , I know where to find the class of an article. Anatole-berthe (talk) 19:55, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Top of Talk pages usually has ratings: Stub, Start, C-Class, B-class. For GA and FA there is additional detail as to when approved.
- Where can we see class of an article ? Anatole-berthe (talk) 15:25, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Bove Path is rated C-class. See Wikipedia:Content assessment to understand the differences between C-class and B-class. Although any editor, including you, can change the rating, I personally perfer to not upgrade ratings on articles I have been editing. David notMD (talk) 15:21, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
Diffs
[edit]I always forget the best way to show a "diff" in a post. Can someone explain to me how I'd show this edit, in a diff? Did I do it right? Just link the URL? I feel as if some editors do it so seamlessly and easily. Iljhgtn (talk) 16:06, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for the question, @Iljhgtn. Yes, you linked the diff perfectly. There are also other ways to link diffs which you may or may not find easier. You can see Help:Diff#Linking to a diff for more examples. Here's one form I really like to use:
- Typing this---> [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Rickrolling&diff=prev&oldid=1263603391]
- Would create this--->[2]
- I hope this all helps! Tarlby (t) (c) 16:19, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- I use visual editor except on talk pages where sometimes it is not possible or other pages where it might not be possible for some reason. I really wish they would enable visual editor everywhere too by the way! It is SO much better than source editor! Iljhgtn (talk) 16:21, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- But thanks, I am glad that my copying and pasting of the "diff" URL is essentially all that you need to do. I did not think it was that simple. Iljhgtn (talk) 16:22, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- What about finding a specific diff in the page history? Some people in talk page discussions seem to find tons of perfectly relevant diffs nearly instantly and it routinely blows my mind. Iljhgtn (talk) 16:23, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- For articles, the Who Wrote That? browser extension makes it really easy to locate when something was added. Schazjmd (talk) 16:33, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- I use Microsoft Edge as my browser. Is that supported for this tool? Seems like such an interesting tool that it would almost make it worth to switch the browser that I use, though I'd rather not do that if I can avoid it. Iljhgtn (talk) 17:24, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- It does. Schazjmd (talk) 17:33, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- I use Microsoft Edge as my browser. Is that supported for this tool? Seems like such an interesting tool that it would almost make it worth to switch the browser that I use, though I'd rather not do that if I can avoid it. Iljhgtn (talk) 17:24, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Iljhgtn Assuming you're using a PC to edit, clicking "page history" at the top right will show you the list of revisions the page has went through. Each revision has "prev" and "cur" next to them. Clicking prev will show you the difference (diff!) with that revision and the previous one. Cur will show the difference between that revision and the current one. Tarlby (t) (c) 16:36, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I edit using a PC. Thanks for this information. Iljhgtn (talk) 17:13, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- I have never quite figured out how to edit from a phone, plus I am worried that it would be from an IP then and might cause me problems somehow. Iljhgtn (talk) 17:14, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Iljhgtn, please read my essay User:Cullen328/Smartphone editing. If you are logged in on your phone, your IP address will not be disclosed and you will not have any unusual problems. I have made about 100,000 phone edits going back many years. Cullen328 (talk) 17:48, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Are "phone edits" logged any differently in your contribution history than PC-based edits? 100,000 on the phone is an impressive achievement! Iljhgtn (talk) 19:54, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- I was a bit discouraged to try phone editing too after the incident where there was a recent admin that seemed to really assault someone for trying to use phone editing and then it became a real ordeal for them to come back into editing. Though it looks like that admin has lost their adminship, rightfully so, so maybe I will look into it again. Iljhgtn (talk) 22:40, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Are "phone edits" logged any differently in your contribution history than PC-based edits? 100,000 on the phone is an impressive achievement! Iljhgtn (talk) 19:54, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Iljhgtn, please read my essay User:Cullen328/Smartphone editing. If you are logged in on your phone, your IP address will not be disclosed and you will not have any unusual problems. I have made about 100,000 phone edits going back many years. Cullen328 (talk) 17:48, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- I have never quite figured out how to edit from a phone, plus I am worried that it would be from an IP then and might cause me problems somehow. Iljhgtn (talk) 17:14, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I edit using a PC. Thanks for this information. Iljhgtn (talk) 17:13, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- For articles, the Who Wrote That? browser extension makes it really easy to locate when something was added. Schazjmd (talk) 16:33, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- What about finding a specific diff in the page history? Some people in talk page discussions seem to find tons of perfectly relevant diffs nearly instantly and it routinely blows my mind. Iljhgtn (talk) 16:23, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- You can force the visual editor in any namespace by adding ?veaction=edit to the end of the URL (for example, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Skarmory?veaction=edit would let me access my user talk page in VE). Skarmory (talk • contribs) 20:10, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- But thanks, I am glad that my copying and pasting of the "diff" URL is essentially all that you need to do. I did not think it was that simple. Iljhgtn (talk) 16:22, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- I use visual editor except on talk pages where sometimes it is not possible or other pages where it might not be possible for some reason. I really wish they would enable visual editor everywhere too by the way! It is SO much better than source editor! Iljhgtn (talk) 16:21, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
I'm really not sure why my article was declined.
[edit]It is a biography of a living person who created a global food chain and is now writing poetry and songs. His journey to Canada was significant. CLWwrites (talk) 16:45, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- You will need to show how he could pass the criteria at WP:GNG, your draft gives no indication of that so far. Theroadislong (talk) 16:48, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Presumed - there is coverage in the Toronto Star Business section and in multiple newspapers globally. Many of the smaller papers have not archived all of their papers. Andy has a poem in the Kennedy Accessions Library (accessible online).
- Significant coverage - no additional research is needed to extract the content. The history of his coming to Canada and how he grew his business here are clearly laid out.
- Reliable - as mentioned above, I used verifiable sources and for a few instances, the smaller papers have not archived all of their earlier articles.
- Sources - I have used secondary sources.
- Independent of the subject - there are many messages of congratuations and thanks for participating in events. I was having difficulty uploading their private photos.
- If you can tell me what is wrong I can fix it. Right now I don't know what is wrong. CLWwrites (talk) 17:01, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- @CLWwrites You appear to have written that article WP:BACKWARDS. Please read that essay and if and when you have found appropriate sources start again. Shantavira|feed me 17:03, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- What do you mean? I wrote the article in the time sequence it occured... CLWwrites (talk) 17:05, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- I am feeling frustrated right now. CLWwrites (talk) 17:14, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, @CLWwrites, and welcome to the Teahouse.
- I'm afraid that that frustration is a common experience for editors who start editing Wikipedia and immediately plunge into the challenging task of creating an article without spending time learning how Wikipedia works first. Would you enter a major competation in a sport you have only just taken up? Would you expect to understand the feedback you got if you did?
- My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft.
- When Shantavira says you have written your draft backwards, that is a link to a page that explains; but in short: you appear to have written what you know and then looked for sources. Baldly, Wikipedia doesn't care what you know (or what I know, or what any random person on the internet knows). Wikipedia only cares about material that is verified by reliable published sources, so writing an article starts by finding such sources. Then, if you have found several sources which each meet the criteria in WP:42, you can start writing a summary of what those sources say (not what you know). ColinFine (talk) 17:21, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- @CLWwrites, its not about time sequence. First, find the multiple reliable independent sources that describe the topic. Each such source must be in-depth, reliably published, and independent of the subject, all three at the same time. Next, write the article using only those sources. That is writing an article in the proper direction. Backward is writing what you know and looking for sources to support it later. That is almost never successful. StarryGrandma (talk) 17:18, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you StarryGrandma...at least this helps me know what to do. CLWwrites (talk) 17:20, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- To expand on this, we are asking you to show that he is already well-known by providing material that people independent of him have written in-depth about him and published in places with editorial oversight. If he is not already well-known then he can still be a significant person, but we don't include him in this encyclopedia. StarryGrandma (talk) 17:25, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- I am feeling frustrated right now. CLWwrites (talk) 17:14, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- What do you mean? I wrote the article in the time sequence it occured... CLWwrites (talk) 17:05, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
Race condition on talk page?
[edit]It seems like two people welcomed me to Wikipedia at the same time (thank you to User:Clovermoss and User:Masterhatch by the way), which has led to two different revisions [3][4] where the current revision doesn't have the past revision's message and vice versa. What is the proper thing to do here? Should I "merge" the two revisions so both messages are visible? YAQUBROLI 18:38, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, @Yaqubroli, and welcome to the Teahouse! Yes, you can "merge" the two revisions, make both messages visible, and say so in the edit summary. Please see also Help:Edit conflict#Resolving an edit conflict. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 19:13, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Tangentially, I prefer to link revisions like so: Special:Permalink/cur, replacing
cur
with the revision ID (the number after&oldid=
). Doing something similar with Special:Diff shows what was changed from the previous version. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 19:20, 23 December 2024 (UTC)- Awesome, that is way less clunky. Thanks! YAQUBROLI 19:23, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Tangentially, I prefer to link revisions like so: Special:Permalink/cur, replacing
Question
[edit]If an editor makes several blatantly RGW arguments for removing sections of content, refuses to read sources contradicting his arguments on the grounds that I have been editing in this area for years and am very confident that no source exists
and then states that what he really wants is for this article to redirect to a completely different article but that since he can’t do that he’s instead grinding out this same debate one passage at a time until the article is empty.
but also that he doesn’t want to, and would much rather save ourselves some time and just do the redirect
,
Does that become a conduct issue? Snokalok (talk) 19:57, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Snokalok, the ongoing discussion is about a contentious topic. I don't see any conduct issues in the discussion, just very strong opinions on both sides. It does seem as though you've cherry-picked quotes out of context; for example, the full sentence was
But I've got very little interest in grinding out this same debate one passage at a time until the article is empty.
I recommend that you all continue to work through the issue via discussion. You can see Wikipedia:Dispute resolution for other options. Schazjmd (talk) 20:12, 23 December 2024 (UTC)- @Schazjmd The fuller quote was
But I've got very little interest in grinding out this same debate one passage at a time until the article is empty. We could save ourselves some time and just do the redirect.
, operative phrase being “we could save ourselves some time and just do the redirect”, implying that is still the course of - action being pursued and that, one way or another, the result is the same.
- Regardless, my assessments have been wrong before, hence why I ask here instead of at ANI Snokalok (talk) 20:17, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- The even fuller quote is
The bold move would be to redirect this article to Gender-critical feminism on WP:POVFORK grounds. Since I expect that would be immediately reverted, I am attempting to gain consensus first. It's good if you now agree that the passage in question is inappropriate and can be removed. But I've got very little interest in grinding out this same debate one passage at a time until the article is empty. We could save ourselves some time and just do the redirect. What do you think?
I would not recommending going to ANI with this, @Snokalok. Schazjmd (talk) 20:22, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- The even fuller quote is
- @Schazjmd The fuller quote was
Would like some feedback
[edit]I have just, well you could say, abusing the recent changes page for things i need to revert. I've done my first few and it's going very quickly reverting all these users. Thoughts? 千乇丨丂ㄒㄚ尺ㄖㄖ丂ㄒ乇尺 (talk) 20:13, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- I don't see anything wrong with that and I have no knowledge of any Wikipedia guideline articles discouraging/forbidding those actions. I, myself, have done the same before multiple times and I know a couple of Users doing the same thing as well. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 20:19, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you very much. 千乇丨丂ㄒㄚ尺ㄖㄖ丂ㄒ乇尺 (talk) 20:34, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, @千乇丨丂ㄒㄚ尺ㄖㄖ丂ㄒ乇尺. What you're doing is actually encouraged and quite the noble act. Patrolling recent changes is a very efficient strategy to fighting vandalism. If you wish, you can download some tools like WP:Twinkle or WP:Ultraviolet to make this process even quicker. Those scripts also give you options to warn problematic editors in the hopes of preventing future disruptive editing.If you continue this process for a month, successfully reverting and warning vandals with those tools, you can request to get Wp:Rollback permissions at WP:RFP/R. Just keep in mind, the goal of reverting vandalism is not a race against other patrollers. Be slow and cautious if need be. Thank you for joining the fight against vandalism! Tarlby (t) (c) 20:50, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- WE STAND UNITED AGAINST VANDALISM! 千乇丨丂ㄒㄚ尺ㄖㄖ丂ㄒ乇尺 (talk) 20:52, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Lol. Tarlby (t) (c) 20:53, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah I can be a bit chaotic sometimes xD 千乇丨丂ㄒㄚ尺ㄖㄖ丂ㄒ乇尺 (talk) 20:53, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- I put the humorous userbox on my user page 千乇丨丂ㄒㄚ尺ㄖㄖ丂ㄒ乇尺 (talk) 20:53, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah I can be a bit chaotic sometimes xD 千乇丨丂ㄒㄚ尺ㄖㄖ丂ㄒ乇尺 (talk) 20:53, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Lol. Tarlby (t) (c) 20:53, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- WE STAND UNITED AGAINST VANDALISM! 千乇丨丂ㄒㄚ尺ㄖㄖ丂ㄒ乇尺 (talk) 20:52, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
Maintenance template removal?
[edit]Hello, I've made an edit and I was wondering if the sources that I added justify removal of the “This article does not cite any sources. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources” template at the top of the article? Also, are my sources good? I read Help:Maintenance template removal. Samolukadjo (talk) 21:03, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Since you have cited sources, the template has done its job and now it should be removed. (Or it could be replaced by this template). Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 21:09, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
Username question
[edit]Hi there! I've bumped into a user whose name includes "42069". I checked through the username policy, and I'm not sure if this is the sort of thing that ought to be reported anyplace? Would it be considered "inappropriate" enough?
The user showed up about a week ago, tried to upload and insert a couple of copyrighted images (deleted and reverted, respectively), and hasn't done anything since, so it's not really an immediate need - this is mostly for my own curiosity if a situation like this pops up in the future. NekoKatsun (nyaa) 21:52, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- (Non-administrator comment) @NekoKatsun: I don't think strings of numbers are prohibited from being used in usernames, unless perhaps when read aloud they're something really vulgar that pretty much most people would clearly understand and find offensive. Even if this particular string of numbers means what Google says it can mean, I don't think that it meets such a standard. You can, however, ask for administrator input at WP:AN or WP:UAA if you want, but it's probably better to just ignore it. If the account resumes editing and starts creating problems unreleated to its name, then you can seek administrator action because of that. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:29, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'm pretty sure they do indeed mean what Google says they do, and I can recall at least one instance where someone faced a lot of heat for having, ostensibly, the last two digits of their birth year in their username, which just so happened to be 88 (a white supremacist thing). I wanted to err on the side of caution.
- Since they're not doing anything I'll ignore, although that username sure won't do them any favors if they start back up with their copyright problems. Thanks for the reply! NekoKatsun (nyaa) 23:43, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
How do I get enough credible sources when interviews go beyond webpages but videos, podcasts, etc?
[edit]Hi,
I'm trying to write a biography about an important contemporary muralist. His work has been in two Asian Art Museums in addition to murals all over the world and for corporations. He has many interviews; I included some in the citations but they were not accepted. Would love any guidance. Thank you Rnza45 (talk) 22:29, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- The AFC reviewer has left a comment saying that, "Submission is about a person not yet shown to meet notability guidelines". Some faults noted by me was the way the sections were displayed and most of the citations were unreliable and not properly generated. There's also no hyperlinks and no infobox. Fixing those faults would probably help your chance for the biography to be accepted. Hope this helps. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 22:49, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, @Rnza45, and welcome to the Teahouse.
- You have made several common beginners' errors: you have created your draft on your user page, which is not the right place for it. You have written your draft BACKWARDS (writing from what you know, and then looking for sources) - Wikipedia doesn't care what you know: it only cares what independent reliable sources say about the subject. And Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. So interviews don't count towards establishing notability.
- There's nothing wrong with making mistakes: that's how we all learn. But newcomers who plunge straight into the challenging task of crating a new article often get frustrated and disillusioned. And it's even harder when you have a conflict of interest (thank you for declaring that).
- My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. ColinFine (talk) 23:10, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for the thorough reply. Where is the correct place to write a draft?
- I don’t know why you think I cited sources backwards; I didn’t start that way. I did go back after I thought I needed more outside sources. I did look up what Wikipedia considers reliable sources, but I need to understand this better. I thought I went back and added, but they still dont seem to meet the criteria. I pulled from LA Times, ABC News, NPR, art websites and a local wiki.
- I did not write the article about myself. 2603:8000:7300:CB21:AC86:1F37:7217:3A5D (talk) 00:36, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- The correct place to write a draft is WP:Article Wizard. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 00:38, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
I have moved the draft to Draft:Dave Young Kim, Rnza45. Please remove the CoI template from it, and affix the former to your user page.
You tell us that:
- Kim's artwork engages with the intangible quality of home and explores themes of nostalgia, war, conflict, and displacement. By incorporating cultural motifs into personal and broader histories of struggle, he examines the universal search for belonging across diverse conditions.
And you add a reference pointing to a page of Kim's website. But this is evaluative: we need a source independent of Kim to tell us that he actually explores such-and-such (and doesn't merely glance at it and hurry away). Also, this sounds curiously like PR-speak. I wondered what Kim actually wrote. Here it is:
- His work engages with the intangible quality of home and explores themes of nostalgia, war, conflict, and displacement. By interpolating cultural motifs into personal and larger histories of struggle, Kim explores the unifying search for belonging across disparate conditions.
So it's just a copy 'n' paste job, with minor changes. If a quotation would benefit a draft, then it must be in quotation marks (and square brackets should make clear any changes that have been made to it). -- Hoary (talk) 03:57, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- COI tag moved to your User page. David notMD (talk) 04:06, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
"Content not properly deflated" sign
[edit]I have gotten this sign several times during editing, idk why or how it came to be. Please help Wentwort12 (talk) 23:04, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- I've never seen such a message, @Wentwort12. Could you describe (step by step) what you did, on what page(s), and how the message displayed? Schazjmd (talk) 23:21, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- first I edit like I always do, I prefer to edit visually, so I want to put an image and caption into the article, that's it and then I clicked publish and this sign popped up "Content provided is not properly deflated" so I was unable to make such edit.
- this page and several others
- John Campbell, 5th Duke of Argyll Wentwort12 (talk) 00:17, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Wentwort12 This sounds like phab:T381673 which was reported somewhat recently. Can you confirm what browser (including version) you were using when you saw the error? AntiCompositeNumber (talk) 04:20, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Safari version 16.5.2, yeah it used to be fine but recently it's not maybe 2 weeks give or take Wentwort12 (talk) 06:57, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Wentwort12 This sounds like phab:T381673 which was reported somewhat recently. Can you confirm what browser (including version) you were using when you saw the error? AntiCompositeNumber (talk) 04:20, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
Britannica books Pre 2012
[edit]How would a person attain copy's of all Encyclopaedia sets printed since 1768? Jarrod Samuel Burchett (talk) 01:02, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Jarrod Samuel Burchett! The Teahouse is a place to ask about editing Wikipedia specifically. If you have other general knowledge questions, try asking at the Reference Desk, where editors who work in that area can help you. Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 01:37, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Jarrod Samuel Burchett. Find a rare books dealer who specializes in encyclopedias. Fly to their nearest airport. Take the rare books dealer out to breakfast, lunch and dinner and buy drinks after dinner. Then, make a generous offer on what they have. Rinse and repeat. Cullen328 (talk) 07:32, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah. Hopefully the OP has a substantial 5-figure sum available. A set of the 1773 First London Edition is currently advertised on Ebay for £16,436.25, and there have been (at least) 15 printed editions since the 1768–71 original (the abovementioned "London Edition" is not one of them), ignoring the updates added in every reprint of a volume from 1933 and the pirated editions, such as the Thomas Dobson (Philadelphia) of 1790. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.1.223.204 (talk) 14:40, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Jarrod Samuel Burchett On the other hand, the ninth edition in full is freely available at Wikisource. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:45, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah. Hopefully the OP has a substantial 5-figure sum available. A set of the 1773 First London Edition is currently advertised on Ebay for £16,436.25, and there have been (at least) 15 printed editions since the 1768–71 original (the abovementioned "London Edition" is not one of them), ignoring the updates added in every reprint of a volume from 1933 and the pirated editions, such as the Thomas Dobson (Philadelphia) of 1790. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.1.223.204 (talk) 14:40, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Jarrod Samuel Burchett. Find a rare books dealer who specializes in encyclopedias. Fly to their nearest airport. Take the rare books dealer out to breakfast, lunch and dinner and buy drinks after dinner. Then, make a generous offer on what they have. Rinse and repeat. Cullen328 (talk) 07:32, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
Tools
[edit]I have the rater and auto-ed scripts installed but they don't show up in my more tab. I use Vector Legacy. Does anyone know how to fix this. History6042 (talk) 01:33, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- @History6042 do they appear on the left side of the screen, under "tools"? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 05:16, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- No they do not. History6042 (talk) 14:10, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- User:CanonNi, I checked all the skins but still none of them show up. History6042 (talk) 19:51, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- No they do not. History6042 (talk) 14:10, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- If you are using the new skin WP:VECTOR2022, its on the right or in a dropdown at top right. Ca talk to me! 08:16, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- I switched to 2022 but it still doesn't show up. History6042 (talk) 14:10, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
Submission declined because subject already exists.
[edit]What to do? My draft (Draft:Cyclopygoidea) has been declined because Cyclopygidae exists, but my draft encompasses more than just that family, how should I proceed? Abdullah raji (talk) 05:03, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Abdullah raji you can merge the contents of your draft into the existing article. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 05:14, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Abdullah raji, you can also start by writing more than three sentences about the topic, whatever it is. Certainly, a "superfamily" deserves more than three basic sentences. Cullen328 (talk) 07:10, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
How "good" does a user essay have to be for it to be able to be moved to project space?
[edit]I've recently gotten into the habit of writing user essays so that newcomers and medium-level editors alike can learn something new. I've been wondering - how good would the essay have to be before it can be moved into project space? For example, my favourite essay is my one about meditating to COOL down but I have no idea what the criteria for moving a user essay even is. User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 07:23, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Someone-123-321. The only requirement for moving an essay from userspace to Wikipedia space is that no one objects. Your essay reflects your own view that may not be and probably isn't shared by most other editors. Your definition of meditation is somewhat inclusive but is deeply biased by claiming that editing Wikipedia cannot possibly be a form of meditation. Sez who? Are you trying to tell me that chanting
Namu Myōhō Renge Kyō
100,000 times or chantingHare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare
100,000 times is meditation, but my meditation practice of thoughtfully editing Wikipedia 100,000 times is illegitimate? You confidently assert that meditation requiresstepping away from editing Wikipedia while you do it
while my meditation practice requires stepping into level headed and thoughtful Wikipedia editing. So, should Wikipedia space host essays that many editors believe to be completely incorrect? Perhaps you can write another essay on that dilemma. Or perhaps you can improve a free encyclopedia article, which is, in my opinion, the greatest form of meditation known to humanity. Cullen328 (talk) 08:31, 24 December 2024 (UTC)- Sorry for not elaborating. I meant "editing Wikipedia articles which caused you to meditate in the first place" - i.e "don't edit articles you know will make you angrier" User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 09:00, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
Editing
[edit]How can I include photos to a page I want Dissainkabi (talk) 07:37, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- I meant to say how can I include photos to a page Dissainkabi (talk) 07:38, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, Help:Pictures is a step-by-step guide to adding one. Just make sure to read the note about copyright as most images on the internet prohibit sharing. See Wikipedia:IUP Ca talk to me! 08:21, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you! Dissainkabi (talk) 10:52, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, Help:Pictures is a step-by-step guide to adding one. Just make sure to read the note about copyright as most images on the internet prohibit sharing. See Wikipedia:IUP Ca talk to me! 08:21, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
খসড়া পাতা পর্যালোচনা
[edit]আমার খসড়া পাতা (https://bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A6%96%E0%A6%B8%E0%A6%A1%E0%A6%BC%E0%A6%BE:%E0%A6%AE%E0%A7%81%E0%A7%81%E0%A6%B9%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%AC%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%AC%E0%A7%81%E0%A6%B2_%E0%A6%B9%E0%A6%95) দ্রুত পর্যালোচনা করার অনুরোধ জানাচ্ছি। এটি পর্যালোচকদের মানদণ্ড পূরণ করে বলে মনে করি। Jahangir Rayhan (talk) 10:29, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Jahangir Rayhan This is the English Wikipedia - Questions about the Bengali Wikipedia must be raised there - Their Teahouse is at [5] Arjayay (talk) 10:34, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
Reason for Rejection of Sunnah Muwakkadah Article
[edit]Hello, I recently posted an Article on Sunnah Muwakkadah. I used correct citations. And I created the Article by myself and I cited Sunnah.com links. But for some reason it has been rejected pls inquiry the situatio. Thanks Enter your Log (talk) 10:41, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Enter your Log Did you read the comment at the top of the declined (not "rejected") draft at Draft:Sunnah_Muwakkadah? Wikipedia articles are based on multiple references to reliable sources independent of the topic. As far as I can tell, sunnah.com is just a website that provides access to Islamic texts, without detailed commentary. You need to find independent scholarly work that describes these prayers. Also, please follow Wikipedia's manual of style regarding the formatting of references (see this guidance) and note that we don't use the honorific ﷺ. That's explained at WP:PHUB. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:54, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
To add more references
[edit]Is it necessary to add more references to make it clearer and properly cited, if possible? DerryGer120 (talk) 12:29, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- @DerryGer120 Welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, it’s always helpful to add references to support statements which might be challenged. They do need to be reliable ones, as defined HERE. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:38, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- However, over-referencing can be a problem. Quality is more important than quantity. A simple fact can do with one reference, not five or ten. David notMD (talk) 13:27, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- David notMD, yes indeed. -- Hoary (talk) 13:51, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- I see. What if a content short but reliable. Isn't it better to add more content? DerryGer120 (talk) 13:54, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- David notMD, yes indeed. -- Hoary (talk) 13:51, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- thanks DerryGer120 (talk) 13:54, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- @DerryGer120 Are you asking about the draft article you have (incorrectly) placed on your userpage? If so, please note that Wikipedia articles are almost entirely based on sources meeting our golden rules to help show the topic is wikinotable. Currently you have no such sources and you need to carefully read this guidance, which also explains how to start in the correct place at articles for creation. However, I would strongly advise that you work on existing articles for a while until you understand Wikipedia's requirements in more detail. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:40, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- However, over-referencing can be a problem. Quality is more important than quantity. A simple fact can do with one reference, not five or ten. David notMD (talk) 13:27, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
DerryGer120 Draft:Gerd Ortlieb has been declined three times. Do not resubmit until you have added in-line references for all facts, and deleted those facts for which you are unable to add references. External links are not references. David notMD (talk) 04:41, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
Creating a Company Page with Limited References
[edit]I'm seeking guidance on creating a Wikipedia page for a company. I understand the importance of reliable sources, but currently have limited independent references. The company is Bizsol Technologies, and it operates in the IT sector. I'd like to include basic factual information such as founding date, services offered, and key personnel. Could you please advise on the best approach for creating a page under these circumstances, or if it's advisable at all given the limited sourcing? Thank you for your time and assistance. Bizsol tech (talk) 13:58, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- If there's limited sourcing available, it's highly unlikely the company isn't notable enough for inclusion here. See WP:NCORP. --Hammersoft (talk) 14:02, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- I am agree with comment above. You might try to submit it however the content might be short as if there is limited references available. Start with a clear introduction that summarizes the subject. You can cite sources using the built-in citation tools in Wikipedia's editor. You always can try. Thanks DerryGer120 (talk) 14:28, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- However, Bizsol tech, before you do anything else, (1) please read WP:NOPROMO (5. Advertising . . . followed by the rest of Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not), and (2) WP:ORGNAME (followed by the rest of Wikipedia:Username policy), and change your username to one that distinguishes you as an individual (e.g. 'Fred at Bizsol tech'), which only you may use – shared accounts and accounts representing a business or position are not allowed.
- Assuming you actually do any drafting or editing on this topic, you also must make Conflict of Interest and paid editor declarations on your User page.
- Understand (though I think you already do) that a Wikipedia article should be almost completely based on (summarised) material published by secondary Reliable sources unconnected to the subject – your company's own website, other publications, PR releases, interviews with officials or employees, etc., cannot contribute to the essential WP:Notability criteria, and can only be used for minor uncontroversial facts (e.g. address, number of employees and the like). Read WP:Backwards.
- Finally, read WP:OWN, and understand that an article about your company on Wikipedia will not be controlled in any way by your company, may contain material detrimental to your company (if cited to Reliable sources), and may only be edited by you (or colleagues) in very limited ways concerning trivial matters (typos, removal of incorrect uncited statements, updates to numbers, etc.). You may wish to read Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing, which includes a section on companies and organizations.
- Hope all this helps, and maybe helps you to avoid you wasting large amounts of time and effort. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.1.223.204 (talk) 15:25, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
Original research and primary sources
[edit]What counts as original research? Can I write in an article that something is patented with a link to the patent itself as a source, or is this considered "original research" meaning that that finding a secondary source meaning some random article or book saying that it's patented is preferable over to linking to the actual patent? 27.84.15.217 (talk) 14:47, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- The patent is a source for the issue of the patent (see WP:PATENT). Original research would be citing the patent for text such as
Oswald's patent for ooshwallah was the first patent issued for a Molossian.
Schazjmd (talk) 15:04, 24 December 2024 (UTC)- Thanks. What about citations for cases of other things existing, e.g. the official website or page for a video game, or book, or music CD: Is the primary source appropriate as a source to prove that the thing exists or for other specs (like a release date, platform, page count, format...) or is that different with it being preferable to have some other person (who might be wrong) talking about the release date/platform/page count/format as a secondary source? 27.84.15.217 (talk) 15:24, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Primary sources are generally okay to cite for basic facts. Schazjmd (talk) 15:26, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, IP user. My rule of thumb is that if the existence of something (a patent, a painting, a movie, a website) can be verified only by a primary source, then it is probably not appropriate to mention it in an article. There are probably exceptions; but if nobody independent has ever written about this thing, why is it significant enough to go in the article? ColinFine (talk) 16:43, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'm from Japan and primarily edit articles on Japanese topics where primary sources are in Japanese and most of the secondary sources used on Wikipedia are in English. This frequently result in problems when the secondary sources are from sites and writers regarded "reliable" on Wikipedia yet are clearly not reliable for niche topics, specifically Japanese topics in this case, being often poorly-written and badly-researched and filled with the most basic errors. Some of these basic errors could be easily rectified with a reference to a primary source like an official website saying "this book was written by this person and released on this date". Looking for reliable secondary sources like news sites after the fact is often out of the question because most Japanese news sites delist old news after some time. I was simply asking if such a primary source could be used over clearly inferior secondary sources, because I was previously told that primary sources are not allowed AT ALL if secondary sources are available.
- I will assume that your intent was probably not to gaslight me by suggesting that Japanese topics are insignificant and don't belong on Wikipedia but I would very much appreciate more if people would answer my questions instead of retorting with more questions. 27.84.15.217 (talk) 19:29, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. What about citations for cases of other things existing, e.g. the official website or page for a video game, or book, or music CD: Is the primary source appropriate as a source to prove that the thing exists or for other specs (like a release date, platform, page count, format...) or is that different with it being preferable to have some other person (who might be wrong) talking about the release date/platform/page count/format as a secondary source? 27.84.15.217 (talk) 15:24, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
Extended Confirmed
[edit]I believe I have become extended confirmed because I have been on Wikipedia for 1 month but Xtools says I’m only autoconfirmed. I got the answer that a user has to be on Wikipedia for 30 days and have over 500 edits, and I have done that. So, is there a reason why I’m not extended confirmed. If I am, I want to know Yuanmongolempiredynasty (talk) 14:58, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Your account was created on 26 November 2024. This is not 30 days ago. Mellk (talk) 15:00, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Ah, that’s probably the problem Yuanmongolempiredynasty (talk) 15:02, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- A user only needs to be extended confirmed to edit certain articles or in certain contentious topic areas. 331dot (talk) 15:02, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, I know, it just feels better to have it because it makes me feel more experienced. Also, there’s a couple articles that have the extended confirmed block that I would like to edit. Yuanmongolempiredynasty (talk) 15:05, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- That's certainly fine, though there is a difference between feeling more experienced and being more experienced. 331dot (talk) 18:24, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, you are right about that Yuanmongolempiredynasty (talk) 19:21, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Articles that require editors to be extended confirmed are often about contentious topis. Many so-qualified editors have put those articles on their Watchlist, meaning that there is potential for being reverted by opinionated editors. Consider reviewing the Talk page (including archived talk page content) to learn if the change you intend to make has been debated in the past. David notMD (talk) 20:57, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, you are right about that Yuanmongolempiredynasty (talk) 19:21, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- That's certainly fine, though there is a difference between feeling more experienced and being more experienced. 331dot (talk) 18:24, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, I know, it just feels better to have it because it makes me feel more experienced. Also, there’s a couple articles that have the extended confirmed block that I would like to edit. Yuanmongolempiredynasty (talk) 15:05, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
Seasonal Greetings from all at the Teahouse!
[edit]
- 'Twas The Night Before Wikimas...
- 'Twas The Night Before Wikimas...
'Twas the night before Wikimas, when all through the Teahouse
Not an editor was stirring, not even a mouse.
The references had been inserted by users with care,
In hopes that St. Jimbo[who?] soon would be there.
Most editors were nestled all snug by their beds,
While visions of new articles danced in their heads.
When out from a keyboard there arose such a clatter
I sprang to my screen to see what was the matter.
When, what to my wondering eyes should appear,
but a question on sources and how to use them well here.
More rapid than eagles these questioners came,
And the hosts from the Teahouse welcomed each one by name.
"Now, em Dasher! Now, Images!
Now, Actrial! Now, Patrolled!
On, Users! On, IPs!
On, Young and on, Old!
To the top of each article, be it long, short or tall,
Now, type away, type away, type away all!"[This quote needs a citation]
As dry words that before an old dictionary fly,
when they meet with a synonym, mount to the sky,[citation needed]
So, onto these articles the edits they flew,
With a sleigh full of facts, and citations, too.
And then in a twinkling, I saw on the page
Our wiki-creator: a man of great age.
As I checked it on Commons and was turning around,
Down my router St. Jimbo came in with a bound.
Over 6 million articles he had flung on his back,[quantify]
And he looked like most users with the editing knack.[according to whom?]
His eyes – how they twinkled! slightly square – but how merry!
Too much editing, folks, had turned his nose red like a cherry![medical citation needed]
His droll little mouth was drawn up like a bow,
And the beard on his chin was as white as the snow.[citation needed]
A wink of his eye and a twist of his head
Soon gave me to know I had nothing to dread.
He spoke not a word, but went straight to his editing,
And filled bare URLs; did sourcing and crediting
And confirming notability with a tap on his nose,
And pressing 'Publish changes', back up my modem[jargon] he rose.
He sprang to his sleigh, to his team gave a whistle,
And away they all flew, leaving me to my epistle.[anachronism]
But I heard him exclaim, 'ere he drove out of sight,
"Happy Editing to all, and to all users a good night!"[This quote needs a citation]
- with grudging acknowledgement to Clement C. Moore, 1823.)
- Bravo! {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.1.223.204 (talk) 15:27, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- This is brilliant @Nick Moyes Knitsey (talk) 15:36, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Bah humbug >:/
- What about us Festivus Celebrators?
- A fantastic little parody though. As a fellow writer, I greatly enoyed. Shovel Shenanigans (talk) 16:35, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- with grudging acknowledgement to Clement C. Moore, 1823.)
- Very good. Now let's hope no one tries to expand it using references from Instagram, celebrities' personal websites, or something editor is sure his great aunt told him 27 years ago. Karenthewriter (talk) 17:08, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, very good!👍 Yuanmongolempiredynasty (talk) 19:20, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
Need help with a draft
[edit]Hello! I posted about this to to Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Finland but it seems a little quiet in there. I need help with my draft on the finnish sketch comedy show Draft:Mankeli, but being as I am not yet fluent in finnish, I need someone who is to help me out. The main thing that needs to be done on the page is finding sources, but since they are all going to be in finnish, I would be fumbling around trying to look for them. I translated the page from finnish wikipedia, and it didn't have any references there either.
3SiameseCats (talk) 16:27, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, @3SiameseCats. I'm sorry, but if "the main thing that needs to be done on the page is finding sources", then you have written the draft BACKWARDS. This is like "I have started building a house: the main thing that needs to be done is to survey the site to see whether it is fit to build on". ColinFine (talk) 16:46, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Im not sure if you missed it, but I translated the article from the Finnish Wikipedia (using the Special:ContentTranslation tool), before I realized there was no sources there either. So whoever wrote the finnish version wrote it backwards, and now I need to fix that. 3SiameseCats (talk) 17:20, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- In that case you'd probably be better off to start fresh and first find sources to summarize, rather than looking for sources to support the current version. 331dot (talk) 18:27, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Im not sure if you missed it, but I translated the article from the Finnish Wikipedia (using the Special:ContentTranslation tool), before I realized there was no sources there either. So whoever wrote the finnish version wrote it backwards, and now I need to fix that. 3SiameseCats (talk) 17:20, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
Speedy Deletion of Than Singh Doli
[edit]Today i nominated Than Singh Doli for deletion because it does not have but 2 editors removed the deletion template. Now i had nominated the article for quick deletion. Previously this article was also deleted from English's Wikipedia when I nominated that but i found that it is available on Simple English Wikipedia also. An editor should delete this page because i am pretty sure it is a case of promoting self on Wikipedia. TheSlumPanda (talk) 16:32, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, @TheSlumPanda. This is English Wikipedia, which is a separate project from Simple Wikipedia. You need to ask there. Try simple:WP:Simple talk ColinFine (talk) 16:49, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
Sock puppet | New account
[edit]Hello,
I acknowledge that I have made mistakes in the past, including the use of sock puppet accounts Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Saishna96 which led to my block. I deeply regret these actions and take full responsibility for violating Wikipedia’s policies.
At present, I do not have any active accounts on Wikipedia. I wish to start afresh and contribute to the community in a constructive and policy-compliant manner. I assure you that I will not create multiple accounts or engage in any activities that go against Wikipedia’s guidelines.
I kindly request an opportunity to demonstrate my commitment to adhering to Wikipedia’s standards. Thank you for considering my appeal. 2409:40F0:3008:5F2A:1C8A:603B:65C1:1089 (talk) 16:35, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Please see appealing blocks. That is the only way to appeal a block. ColinFine (talk) 16:50, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
Admin Question
[edit]Out of sheer curiosity, how does one go about becoming an admin? Not that I want to be one, I most certainly don't, and such responsibility is too much for me. I'm just interested in the inner-workings of Wikipedia. Shovel Shenanigans (talk) 18:08, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Shovel Shenanigans all admins are "elected" in Requests for Adminship. A typical one runs for a week or so, and all experienced users can ask the candidate questions, discuss their work, and !vote. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 18:11, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, neat! Admins being voted in is not something I have seen before. Thanks for the speedy reply :)
- Happy chrismahanukwanzakah, and a good Festivus for the Rest of us! Shovel Shenanigans (talk) 18:13, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Shovel Shenanigans, there's a request for adminship open now, if you'd like to take a look and see what it entails. After you reach extended confirmed status, you can register your support or opposition for admin requests. Schazjmd (talk) 18:18, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- That's really interesting! I honestly did not expect such a detailed process. I don't know what I did expect, but it wasn't this. I appreciate your input :) Shovel Shenanigans (talk) 18:55, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Shovel Shenanigans, there's a request for adminship open now, if you'd like to take a look and see what it entails. After you reach extended confirmed status, you can register your support or opposition for admin requests. Schazjmd (talk) 18:18, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Shovel Shenanigans, Like what @CanonNi said, there are also a discussion open about administrator elections, which resulted in 11 admins being promoted back in late October, into becoming an official and alternative process to RfAs. Do note that it's still in a discussion period and isn't an official process. Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 19:27, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
How do I edit a comment on an image?
[edit]I uploaded an image. I included a summary. That summary became both a comment and a summary. I made a mistake in the summary. I can correct the summary but not the comment. I had to delete the image and upload it again. How do I edit the comment? — Preceding unsigned comment added by RussellBell (talk • contribs) 22:16, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- What image are you referring to? You've never uploaded an image to en.wikipedia, and only one image to Commons where there doesn't appear to be any subsequent editing by you and it wasn't previously deleted. It was also upload 1.5 years ago. So, kinda hard to know what you're talking about. --Hammersoft (talk) 22:53, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- It's for a non-Wikipedia wiki. I thought the rules were the same. https://jfwiki.org/index.php?title=File:JoeRuthTeddyJudyRear_BenFritzeFritzi_Seated.jpeg RussellBell (talk) 23:13, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- That said, @RussellBell, I'm not clear how you can claim copyright on File:Joseph Langermann Acte De Naissance - an extract from his birth certificate.gif, or say that it's your own work. Either the copyright is held by whichever government deparment issued it, or else it may be in the public domain No way can it be yours. ColinFine (talk) 22:59, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- I received the letter in response to a query I made - doesn't that make it mine? I deleted the portion that had my name and address. I'll be glad to reclassify it - how would I?RussellBell (talk) 23:13, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Even if you get a letter. You didn't produced the letter or the extract in attachment itself.
- Therefore , it is not your work as Cullen328 (12/24/2024 23:33 UTC time) and Marchjully (12/24/2024 23:58 UTC time) explained.
- Also , in the extract of the birth certificate published in "05/25/2023" on "Wikipedia in English" , it does means nearly 13 years after the production of the document in "06/21/2010". There are an incacurate description.
- The description is inacurate for the next reason. It is wrote "This is the extract from Joe's birth certificate. Only family members can get the whole.".
- For a birth certificate or another "vital record" detained by French authorities , not all family members can have access to a full birth certificate.
- You can correct by "some family members" or anything similar meaning that not all family members can.
- For vital records less than 75 years old. Only the person concerned and some family members can access the full document.
- These family members are the spouse , person who have a "Civil solidarity pact" with the person , parents or grand-parents or any others ascendants (For example a great-grandparent) and your child or grand-child or any others descendants (For example a great-grandchild).
- If a vital record is 75 years old or older. Everybody have legally access to it.
- To finalise this message. Marchjuly (12/25/2024 00:14 UTC time) explained this kind of document is generally considered as a primary source. Anatole-berthe (talk) 00:26, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- I received the letter in response to a query I made - doesn't that make it mine? I deleted the portion that had my name and address. I'll be glad to reclassify it - how would I?RussellBell (talk) 23:13, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- RussellBell, you may own a piece of paper, but that does not make its content your "own work". Only the government official or the agency who created the document can call it their "own work". Cullen328 (talk) 23:33, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- @RussellBell: The information posted above by Cullen328 and ColinFine is information that not only applies to Wikipedia, but image licensing in general; in other words, physical possession of something doesn't mean you're also the intellectual property rights holder of said thing. Some documents containing nothing more than factual information (particularly those created by the US federal government) can be ineligible for copyright protection under US copyright law, but the copyright laws of other countries might treat such documents differently and Wikimedia Commons policy requires that the content it hosts be licensed acceptably in accordance with US copyright law and the copyright law of the country of first publication. Given the address on the letter, you might find c:COM:France helpful in sorting out the latter. The text of the letter and any other imagery contained therein, on the other hand, could be eligible for copyright protection separately from the enclosed document itself. All of this is really a moot point, though, because the website www
.jfwiki .org that you're asking about is completely unrelated to English Wikipedia or any other sites run by the Wikimedia Foundation; so, if you've got specific questions related to that site, you're going to need to contact whoever runs that site and resolve things with them. That website most likely has its own rules and you're going to need to comply with them if you want to add content to that site. The Wikipedia Teahouse is set up to deal with questions related to English Wikipedia (and perhaps its sister projects); it's not really intended to be a general information help desk or a help desk for other websites. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:58, 24 December 2024 (UTC) - Regarding File:Joseph Langermann Acte De Naissance - an extract from his birth certificate.gif and separately from its copyright status, you don't really need to upload an image of a document to cite said document as a source for a Wikipedia article like you did in the case of Joe Frank. You can just cite the document itself as long as it meets Wikipedia's definition of a reliable source and is used in proper context; birth certificates, death certificates and other types of official documents are generally treated as WP:PRIMARY sources though and need to be used carefully. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:14, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
How do I change my method of donation to a different source.
[edit]I recently had to change all my credit cards due to being hacked. I need to change my monthly donation to a new card number but cannot find how to do this. Thank you for your help. Buffalogirlofwy (talk) 02:58, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Buffalogirlofwy. See donate:Cancel or change recurring giving. Maybe you have to set up a new donation with the new card but I don't know. You can ask at the given email address but note it says to not mail your credit card number. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:54, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
Un-archiving a talk topic
[edit]I made a talk topic and somebody immediately archived it saying that it's already been addressed. I believe that my topic is different from what was discussed previously, and I made a comment on the talk page there proposing to un-archive my topic. Nobody responded and it's been a couple of days. Is it safe to go ahead and just un-archive it myself, or is that considered disruptive? Lardlegwarmers (talk) 03:49, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- You mean Talk:COVID-19_lab_leak_theory#Mention_House_Subcommittee_in_section_on_Political,_academic_and_media_attention? -- Hoary (talk) 06:38, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
Bad quality images for BLP individuals
[edit]If the only image(s) available for a BLP article is of bad quality and/or very outdated (for example a mugshot from decades ago), is using the image preferred or not using any image at all preferred? Zinderboff (talk) 04:40, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Zinderboff: I wouldn't use a mug shot from decades ago per WP:MUG, particularly as the primary image at the top of the article, but an older image that's freely licensed could be used even if it's not of the best quality. Whether that's preferable to using no image at all might be something worth discussing on the article's talk page, but it's important to remember that a Wikipedia article about a living person is an encyclopedic article about the person as a whole (from birth to present day) and even an older image can still have encyclopedic value; in other words, the article doesn't need to show the person as they look at this particular moment in time. Finally, given you're asking about a BLP, a non-free image is most likely not going to be considered in compliance with Wikipedia's non-free content use policy; so, if you're trying to find a recent image to use for primary identification purposes, you're going to need to find one that has already been released under a license that's pretty much in accordance with c:Commons:Licensing, or you're going to need to get the copyright holder of the image to given their WP:CONSENT. You can try WP:PERMISSION if you want to ask a copyright holder to release their image under a license that's free enough for Wikipedia. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:10, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
Revising and submitting a new Help:IPA page
[edit]I was referred here by User:Timrent after submitting a draft for a proposed Help:IPA page for the Kannada language. Please let me know how I can improve this draft and where I can submit my revisions for proper review.
Link to draft: Draft:Help:IPA/Kannada Krzapex (talk) 07:13, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- That's Timtrent, with one more "t", Krzapex. I was surprised that he suggested that you should come here, until I read his comment: "This is not the correct route to seek to create Help: pages. Please ask about this at WP:TEAHOUSE". Somebody could simply move the page. But before that, a couple of suggestions: (i) "English approximation" is less helpful than what I presume it means in this context, viz, "Approximation in General American English or RP British English (unless otherwise noted)"; but the latter of course would be horribly bulky. Perhaps add it as a footnote? (ii) Better I think to invite comments from the denizens of Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language (if you haven't already done so). The page is frequented by some actual phoneticians/phonologists. -- Hoary (talk) 10:52, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
Editor considers source invalid
[edit]I created an entry for an art historian who is included in a standard source for the field, the Dictionary of Art Historians (https://arthistorians.info/). I included one reference to the DAH entry at the beginning instead of referencing each fact from it. User:BoyTheKingCanDance deleted nearly my entire entry for lack of third-party sources but I have seen the DAH used to reference biographical facts for many other art historians. Edanziger (talk) 07:27, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, @Edanziger! (and courtesy ping to@BoyTheKingCanDance) Art history isn't my thing, but I'm assuming you're talking about the article Douglas Lewis (art historian)? There seems to have been a slight misunderstanding here. Because you didn't use inline references, BTKCD probably missed that the "unreferenced" material was, in fact, supported by the source. I'll restore the material for you - but I want to let you you about one thing. You copied the entire article from the Dictionary of Art Historians page. Normally that wouldn't be okay because of copyright laws, but as the website makes all their text available under a Creative Commons commercial license (CC-BY SA 4), it's fine. However, whenever you import freely-licensed text into Wikipedia, you need to attribute it. You can do this by adding a template to the reference(s) - in this case, specifically the {{Creative Commons text attribution notice}} or {{CCBYSA4Source}}. You can read more instructions here: WP:FREECOPY.
- In the future, you can avoid this by using inline references, so other people can easily see where you got your information from. I hope that helps! GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 07:47, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- It would be worth hunting down some alternative sources anyway as you've only got the one source then I don't know how if this subject will meet WP:NBIO. It doesn't help that the WaPo links at the end seem to be broken. -- D'n'B-t -- 07:49, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Edanziger: Just going to add that even if the content of the Dictionary of Art Historians page is OK from a copyright standpoint, it would still probably be better for you to summarize said content in your own words than to simply copy-and-paste it verbatim into the Wikipedia article. The website hosting the content isn't really subject to any of Wikipedia policies and guidelines or even Wikipedia's Manual of Style, and third-party website content can often be written in a manner that's not suitable for Wikipedia's purposes. By rewriting the content in your own words, you have a chance to make sure it's appropriate for Wikipedia. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:00, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for the suggestions, everyone! I’ll return to this after the holidays. Edanziger (talk) 08:19, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Edanziger: Just as a point of information, in the citation, you should be crediting Lee Sorensen as the editor of the Dictionary of Art Historians. Fabrickator (talk) 10:05, 25 December 2024 (UTC)