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Merge proposal

Please merge Chera Dynasty, Chera Permals of Makotai, and Legend of Cheraman Permals all in one article. Kawrno Baba (talk) 17:57, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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+== Merge proposal ==
-== Cheras Did Not Speak Tamil, But an early form of Malayalam called Tamizh ==
+Please merge [[Chera dynasty|Chera Dynasty]], [[Chera Perumals of Makotai|Chera Permals of Makotai]], and [[Legend of Cheraman Perumals|Legend of Cheraman Permals]] all in one article. [[User:Kawrno Baba|Kawrno Baba]] ([[User talk:Kawrno Baba|talk]]) 17:57, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
-The language spoken in Chera empire was an ancient form of Malayalam, called Tamizh. It is not Tamil language spoken in Pandia and Chola regions. Malayalam is classical.<ref>https://indiankanoon.org/doc/24294042/</ref>
-If there is any proof that one of the earliest documents in Malayalam language is from 1200 years ago, it should have been produced in the court. Madras High Court has rejected such baseless claims.
-Edit wars with ideologically motivated people are not fruitful. I am too young to do that. Can somebody please help clean up the article. Judgements from Indian judiciary and decisions by the Indian Union Cabinet should be given more weightage than random articles by someone.  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/67.248.141.21|67.248.141.21]] ([[User talk:67.248.141.21#top|talk]]) 20:25, 19 April 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-{{ref talk}}
-: Scholarly books, not "judgements from Indian judiciary and decisions by the Indian Union Cabinet", are reliable sources by Wikipedia standards. Not to mention that the Madras High Court [https://indiankanoon.org/doc/24294042/ judgment] cited by you doesn't even mention the Cheras. [[User:Utcursch|utcursch]] &#124; [[User talk:Utcursch|talk]] 21:52, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
-Probably OP was just mentioning that Malayalam (hopefully I spelled it right) is old enough that the first documents where much older than 1200 years old.
-I think that the argument by the OP is valid. Judgments from courts are to be considered valid. The judgments are done with all these arguments and evidences being taken into consideration. Wikipedia does not have any official policy stating that Indian judicial declarations are not scholarly. As a person who likes Indology, currently in USA, I can vouch for the fact that in my field (Sinology) considers court judgments valid.
-谷歌翻译  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/169.226.235.112|169.226.235.112]] ([[User talk:169.226.235.112#top|talk]]) 19:42, 29 April 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-Inscription by Manikantha Ramavarman the alleged writer of first book Ramacharitham the first book in Malayalam Travancore.
-Archaeological Series Vol IV by K.V SUBRAHMANYA AIYAR, Superindent of Archaeoligy,
-Printed by Superindent at Govt Press,1923
-Page 65
-KANYAKUMARI INSCRIPTION REIGN OF MANIKANTHA RAMAVARMAN
-AD
-KOLLAM 376
-Script : Tamil
-Language: Western Tamil
-. സ്വസ്തി ஶ்ரீ  கொல்லம்  ௩௱௭௰௬(376)-வது மெடநாயிற்று ௨௰௧(201) சென்ற சனியாண்ட மகத்தி
-. நாள்  ஶ்ரீபாண்டி நாட்டுப்புறத்தாய நாடான தென்வாரணவாசி நன்னாட்டு குமரிக்கன்னியாபகவதியார் கொ
-. யிலில் உள்ளாலை ഗര്ഭഗ്രஹத்துக்கு ചന്ദ്രാദിത്യவற் திருநந்தாவிளக்கு செலுத்துவிதாக குரக்கேணிக்கொல்லத்
-. து வியாபாரி மணியன் கொவிந்தன் பக்கல் பொருள் கைய்க்கொண்டு குமரிக் கன்னியாபகவதியார் ஶ்ரீகொயிலி[ல் உ
-. ண் ணாழிகையொம் நியதம் முட்டாமல் நாராயநாழிக்கிட உழக்குநெய் செலுத்துவது  நெய் வார்த்து எரிய இடதராவி
-. ல் மயில்  விளக்கு எடை ..........பலம்    இவைய் தெவர் முதற்க ணக்குந் திருவரங்கநல்லூருடையான் எ
-. ழுத்தினால் இவ்வெழுத்து .......இவ்வூர்த் தட்டான் அப்பன் சுந்தரனான முப்பத்திருவத்தட்டான் எழுத்து
-:31, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
-== Tajuddin ==
-[[User:StephenPaa]], we can discuss here.--[[Special:Contributions/79.75.58.80|79.75.58.80]] ([[User talk:79.75.58.80|talk]]) 11:56, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
-Okay. [[User:StephenPaa|StephenPaa]] ([[User talk:StephenPaa|talk]]) 11:59, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
-:[[User:StephenPaa|StephenPaa]], why only Mohanlal, and not Mammoty? lool--[[Special:Contributions/79.75.58.80|79.75.58.80]] ([[User talk:79.75.58.80|talk]]) 12:03, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
-:[[User:StephenPaa|StephenPaa]] why are you calling them vandalism? So obsessed with this word?--[[Special:Contributions/79.75.49.15|79.75.49.15]] ([[User talk:79.75.49.15|talk]]) 15:49, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
-::Dubious and insufficient sources (such as Indian newspaper/magazine reports) cannot be used as a reference. Please show your points in a recent and well-respected primary scholarly material. Please quote from the primary source material, preferably written by a well-respected scholar, also.
-[[User:StephenPaa|StephenPaa]] ([[User talk:StephenPaa|talk]]) 17:21, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
-:::You've mentioned the same thing several times. Many of the sources are reliable, and we don't even need to add that much references on the lede. I think a 3rd person should be involved here.--[[Special:Contributions/79.75.49.15|79.75.49.15]] ([[User talk:79.75.49.15|talk]]) 18:55, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
-Dubious and insufficient sources (such as Indian newspaper/magazine reports) cannot be used as a reference. Please show your points in a recent and well-respected primary scholarly material.
-Please quote from the primary source material, preferably written by a well-respected scholar in this particular field, also.
-[[User:StephenPaa|StephenPaa]] ([[User talk:StephenPaa|talk]]) 09:16, 26 October 2019 (UTC)