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Please stop adding redundant and bias information onto articles. You can not change articles to fit your agenda. I notice you have a very clear history of this sort of disruptive behaviour. If you do not stop, I will have to take this higher. Thank you. --[[User:Wordbearer88|Wordbearer88]] ([[User talk:Wordbearer88#top|talk]]) 12:20, 3 August 2020 (UTC) |
Please stop adding redundant and bias information onto articles. You can not change articles to fit your agenda. I notice you have a very clear history of this sort of disruptive behaviour. If you do not stop, I will have to take this higher. Thank you. --[[User:Wordbearer88|Wordbearer88]] ([[User talk:Wordbearer88#top|talk]]) 12:20, 3 August 2020 (UTC) |
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For additional information, please see the [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions#Guidance for editors|guidance on discretionary sanctions]] and the [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee|Arbitration Committee's]] decision [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/GamerGate|here]]. If you have any questions, or any doubts regarding what edits are appropriate, you are welcome to discuss them with me or any other editor. |
For additional information, please see the [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions#Guidance for editors|guidance on discretionary sanctions]] and the [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee|Arbitration Committee's]] decision [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/GamerGate|here]]. If you have any questions, or any doubts regarding what edits are appropriate, you are welcome to discuss them with me or any other editor. |
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#The username may be intended to [[Internet troll|provoke an emotional reaction]], as it is referencing a very emotive political slogan. |
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#The username may display an intent towards [[Wikipedia:Disruptive editing|disruptive editing]], as it indicates a purpose to [[Wikipedia:Here to build an encyclopedia#Clearly not being here to build an encyclopedia|treat editing as a battleground and having little or no interest in working collaboratively]], due to its connection to a partisan war-time slogan. |
#The username may display an intent towards [[Wikipedia:Disruptive editing|disruptive editing]], as it indicates a purpose to [[Wikipedia:Here to build an encyclopedia#Clearly not being here to build an encyclopedia|treat editing as a battleground and having little or no interest in working collaboratively]], due to its connection to a partisan war-time slogan. |
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This is particularly concerning due to your recent [[Wikipedia:Edit warring|edit warring]] in the [[Oxford Spanish Civil War memorial]] article, which is a subject directly connected to the slogan in the displayed username. If you believe that your username does not violate our policy, please leave a note here explaining why. As an alternative, you may ask for a [[Wikipedia:Changing username|change of username]] by completing the form at [[Special:GlobalRenameRequest]], or you may simply [[Special:UserLogin/signup|create a new account]] for editing. Thank you.<!-- THE FOLLOWING CATEGORY SHOULD BE REMOVED WHEN THE USER IS BLOCKED, OR IT IS DECIDED THE NAME DOES NOT APPEAR TO VIOLATE POLICY, OR THIS TEMPLATE HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR A WHILE WITH NO ACTION: --> {{#ifeq:{{NAMESPACENUMBER}}|3|{{#ifeq:{{ROOTPAGENAME}}|Ya hemos pasao| |
This is particularly concerning due to your recent [[Wikipedia:Edit warring|edit warring]] in the [[Oxford Spanish Civil War memorial]] article, which is a subject directly connected to the slogan in the displayed username. If you believe that your username does not violate our policy, please leave a note here explaining why. As an alternative, you may ask for a [[Wikipedia:Changing username|change of username]] by completing the form at [[Special:GlobalRenameRequest]], or you may simply [[Special:UserLogin/signup|create a new account]] for editing. Thank you.<!-- THE FOLLOWING CATEGORY SHOULD BE REMOVED WHEN THE USER IS BLOCKED, OR IT IS DECIDED THE NAME DOES NOT APPEAR TO VIOLATE POLICY, OR THIS TEMPLATE HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR A WHILE WITH NO ACTION: --> {{#ifeq:{{NAMESPACENUMBER}}|3|{{#ifeq:{{ROOTPAGENAME}}|Ya hemos pasao|}}}} <!-- Template:uw-username -->--[[User:Grnrchst|Grnrchst]] ([[User talk:Grnrchst|talk]]) 11:48, 3 May 2021 (UTC) |
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You seem to be interested in pushing a political agenda and not collaborating with others. A secondary concern is your username, which is a right-wing slogan and potentially disruptive- though I will leave a decision on that to any reviewing administrator(who should view [[WP:RFCN]] for a discussion). [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 20:46, 25 May 2021 (UTC) |
You seem to be interested in pushing a political agenda and not collaborating with others. A secondary concern is your username, which is a right-wing slogan and potentially disruptive- though I will leave a decision on that to any reviewing administrator(who should view [[WP:RFCN]] for a discussion). [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 20:46, 25 May 2021 (UTC) |
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{{unblock reviewed |1=I have been subjected to an indefinite block by the above user after a discussion that lasted only a few hours, which I did not have the opportunity to participate in. This is clearly an arbitrary and unfair decision, and an egregious abuse of power. The supposed reasons for this block weren't really well-explained, but I will attempt to address them thoroughly. As to the "secondary issue" of my username, as one of the blockers acknowledged, "it's an extremely niche area of history and will be known to very few outside the peninsular below a certain age. We have, after all, users with names including various iterations of International, Red Flag and even Horst-wessel in their usernames" User:331dot specifically mentioned it being a right-wing slogan. Needless to say, if my username were the left-wing slogan No Pasaran, (which Ya Hemos Passo was formulated in response too), I would not be targeted in this way. Nonetheless, I was not aware my username could be perceived to violate Wikipedia policies when I created it and would be willing to change it--so long as this is applied fairly and consistently to other users with political/potentially offensive usernames. As far as me being "interested in pushing a political agenda", that could be applied conservatively to 90%+ of Wikipedia users. There are users on Wikipedia who proclaim openly that on their user pages that they are here with an agenda, often an extremist one! I have seen such users too many times to count, including outright and acknowledged communists, where literally every single edit they make is for the purpose of pushing their POV, whereas I edit articles in a wide range of topics, only some of which which are political, or related to this supposed malicious agenda. (This is because I only edit incidentally, being very busy in real-life.) I can state categorically I do not have some systematic POV-pushing agenda (unlike numerous other users I have encountered); I simply don't have the time. My being blocked for an alleged agenda is thus hypocritical and discriminatory in the extreme. If I have been blocked for alleged "agenda-editing" while other users have carte blanche, what this in fact indicates is that other users have an agenda hostile to me. Merely having certain views is not a reason to be blocked from Wikipedia. Users are not and have never been required to have a Neutral POV. User:ZLEA listed some edits he for some reason took issue with, but has not explained what is supposed to be wrong with any of them. I accept that I may have made some inadvertent mistakes while learning the ropes, but in general my edits are completely justifiable and correct, to the best of my knowledge in accord with Wikipedia's policies, improve the articles they are made to, and I stand by them. I always do my best to give good reasons for my edits and I did so in all those cases, which User:ZLEA must not have read when he cherrypicked edits I suppose he thought looked "incriminating" (of what, exactly, he didn't say). The charge of edit-warring I completely reject. On the contrary, I have been the victim of edit-warring, in cases, such as the [[Oxford Spanish Civil War memorial]] article, where the user BulgeUwU (who, incidentally, also demonstrates a clear political agenda in their pattern of edits) repeatedly reverted my edits (and made personal attacks), ignoring my requests to take it to talk instead of continuously reverting without discussion. I am not aware of having violated the three revert rule, which I have always done my best to stick to, even when facing editors such as the above who are unwilling to compromise and have no interest in (or ability to carry on) a reasonable discussion. In the specific case of [[Sky News Australia]], I hardly think it counts as edit-warring ("repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree") to make extensive edits to improve an article, have them all undone in a blanket rollback without good reason, and then to restore them, '''once''', asking for an explanation. It is ludicrous (or worse, disingenuous) to claim that it is. By this logic every editor would have to accept every deletion of their edits at the first instance. I have always tried to maintain a collaborative attitude to other editors, in the face of some extremely high-handed reverts, where many well-established editors feel justified in undoing the hard work of newer editors, simply because they have less power, without giving any substantive reason or attempting to engage in any sort of discussion or collaborative process. And when I have (politely) engaged in Talk discussions, often I have been stonewalled by users who simply talked over/past me and been completely inflexible about my reasonable and extensively-explained changes to articles. I have also been in the past the victim of users of the likes of Grnchrst (who I note also displays a clear, almost exclusive, political agenda in their edits, in regards to Anarchism) using spurious warnings to bully and attempt to intimidate me which is why I ignored his communication about my username. Frankly, it's exhausting and demoralising, and yes, does make me justifiably irritated at times. I apologise if this has come across as hostility to other users. User:ZLEA mentioned "an apparent pattern in the user’s edits". He declined to say what this pattern was or how my edits evidenced it. In any event, since when has a "pattern" been reason to remove an editor from Wikipedia? I reiterate, all my edits have been constructive and in good faith, and if none of them is disruptive individually, they cannot cumulatively be used to justify my banning. That would be the grossest imaginable injustice. User:331dot cited WP:NOTHERE as the supposed grounds for my blocking. I note first "This is an explanatory supplement to the content and behavioral policy and guideline pages. This page is intended to provide additional information about concepts in the page(s) it supplements. '''This page is not one of Wikipedia's policies or guidelines''', as it has not been thoroughly vetted by the community." Now, to me that indicates it should not be used as a pretext to subject users to penalties, let alone what is in practice the harshest penalty. However, I am far from being an experienced Wikipedian and may be wrong. Even if that is the case, he has not demonstrated how I fulfil the criteria listed on that page. My 'behaviour as a whole' shows that I am clearly a productive editor who is here to build an encyclopaedia, even if certain editors may not like what I do. "Indefinite blocks are usually applied when there is significant disruption or threats of disruption, or major breaches of policy." My presence on Wikipedia is none of those things, and this block is clearly unjustifiable. [[User:Ya hemos pasao|Ya hemos pasao]] ([[User talk:Ya hemos pasao#top|talk]]) 06:47, 26 May 2021 (UTC) |decline = Your very lengthy unblock request confirms the propriety of the block. You have a [[WP:BATTLEGROUND|battleground mentality]]. You frequently edit-war with other users. Your username ''is'' a problem, particularly when coupled with your edits, which generally show a right-wing bias. You are entitled to your political beliefs, but they must not spill over into your edits so that your edits become non-neutral. You really need to stop blaming others for your misconduct and reflect on your own behavior. You appear to have no insight into the problems with your editing vs. the policies of this project. [[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]] ([[User talk:Bbb23|talk]]) 07:16, 26 May 2021 (UTC)}} |
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: {{reply to|Bbb23}}If I have a battleground mentality, it's because of the extremely unfair treatment I have been subjected to. You say I "have no insight into the problems with your editing vs. the policies of this project". So please give me that insight. What specifically is wrong with my conduct, and what do I need to do to be unblocked? It cannot be edit-warring since, as I explained, I have not violated the three revert rule, and in cases of disputes I am the one initiating discussions on the talk page, not the other way around. What was I supposed to do in those situations? Roll over and let other editors get away with flagrant POV violations? It cannot be 'right-wing bias' since, as I said, numerous other editors display clear bias and are not penalised for it. My edits improve articles and are in accordance with Wikipedia policies, to the best of my knowledge. I don't attempt to push my personal POV in articles but to maintain NPOV based on reliable sources. I mentioned I am willing to change my username. Please help me to understand what I'm doing wrong so I can do better. [[User:Ya hemos pasao|Ya hemos pasao]] ([[User talk:Ya hemos pasao#top|talk]]) 10:18, 29 May 2021 (UTC) |
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::Regarding edit warring, while 3RR is a bright line to cross, you can be determined to be edit warring with fewer reverts, this is spelled out in [[WP:EW|the policy]]. 3RR is not an entitlement to three reverts. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 10:10, 31 May 2021 (UTC) |
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::I have nothing much new to say. You are extraordinarily sure of the righteousness of your own opinions, which is off-putting at best. This shows up in your edits and, even more obviously in your overly long edit summaries. I suggest you think some more about what others have criticized you for, look at it from their perspective rather than your own, and formulate another unblock request for another administrator to review. I strongly urge you to make that unblock request shorter, more temperate, and a geat deal less of [[WP:NOTTHEM]].--[[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]] ([[User talk:Bbb23|talk]]) 13:18, 2 June 2021 (UTC) |
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*Just noting that yes, I would block a left wing slogan or a centrist slogan; the username policy does not discriminate based on political views. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 08:22, 26 May 2021 (UTC) |
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*Pings do not work unless you sign the same post in which you ping, I will ping {{reply to|Bbb23}} for you. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 08:40, 2 June 2021 (UTC) |
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{{unblock reviewed |1=Re-appealing indefinite block of last year. My username was objected to on I think silly and spurious grounds. But as I've said, I'm willing to change it if it is actually an issue. Accusations of edit-warring are similarly without merit and highly unfair, giving I strove to be the communicative/conciliatory party in disputes with other editors (who were in clear violation of Wiki policies). What it boils down is basically some people don't like my edits for their own reasons that have everything to do with their own personal bias, and nothing to do with Wikipedia's policies. Clearly I am here to build an encyclopaedia and contribute. My rapid indefinite block was not only entirely unjustified but an extreme over-reach, and I hope can be corrected quickly. [[User:Ya hemos pasao|Ya hemos pasao]] ([[User talk:Ya hemos pasao#top|talk]]) 05:41, 13 June 2022 (UTC) 05:40, 13 June 2022 (UTC) |decline = This does not convince me it would be beneficial to unblock you. You continue to blame others and claim your edits were generally fine. [[User:Yamla|Yamla]] ([[User talk:Yamla|talk]]) 10:09, 13 June 2022 (UTC)}} |
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The supposed reasons for this block weren't really well-explained, but I will attempt to address them thoroughly. |
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As to the "secondary issue" of my username, as one of the blockers acknowledged, "it's an extremely niche area of history and will be known to very few outside the peninsular below a certain age. We have, after all, users with names including various iterations of International, Red Flag and even Horst-wessel in their usernames" User:331dot specifically mentioned it being a right-wing slogan. Needless to say, if my username were the left-wing slogan No Pasaran, (which Ya Hemos Passo was formulated in response too), I would not be targeted in this way. Nonetheless, I was not aware my username could be perceived to violate Wikipedia policies when I created it and would be willing to change it--so long as this is applied fairly and consistently to other users with political/potentially offensive usernames. |
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As far as me being "interested in pushing a political agenda", that could be applied conservatively to 90%+ of Wikipedia users. There are users on Wikipedia who proclaim openly that on their user pages that they are here with an agenda, often an extremist one! I have seen such users too many times to count, including outright and acknowledged communists, where literally every single edit they make is for the purpose of pushing their POV, whereas I edit articles in a wide range of topics, only some of which which are political, or related to this supposed malicious agenda. (This is because I only edit incidentally, being very busy in real-life.) I can state categorically I do not have some systematic POV-pushing agenda (unlike numerous other users I have encountered); I simply don't have the time. My being blocked for an alleged agenda is thus hypocritical and discriminatory in the extreme. If I have been blocked for alleged "agenda-editing" while other users have carte blanche, what this in fact indicates is that other users have an agenda hostile to me. |
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Merely having certain views is not a reason to be blocked from Wikipedia. Users are not and have never been required to have a Neutral POV. User:ZLEA listed some edits he for some reason took issue with, but has not explained what is supposed to be wrong with any of them. I accept that I may have made some inadvertent mistakes while learning the ropes, but in general my edits are completely justifiable and correct, to the best of my knowledge in accord with Wikipedia's policies, improve the articles they are made to, and I stand by them. I always do my best to give good reasons for my edits and I did so in all those cases, which User:ZLEA must not have read when he cherrypicked edits I suppose he thought looked "incriminating" (of what, exactly, he didn't say). |
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The charge of edit-warring I completely reject. On the contrary, I have been the victim of edit-warring, in cases, such as the Spanish Civil War memorial article, where the user BulgeUwU (who, incidentally, also demonstrates a clear political agenda in their pattern of edits) repeatedly reverted my edits (and made personal attacks), ignoring my requests to take it to talk instead of continuously reverting without discussion. I am not aware of having violated the three revert rule, which I have always done my best to stick to, even when facing editors such as the above who are unwilling to compromise and have no interest in (or ability to carry on) a reasonable discussion. |
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In the specific case of Sky News Australia, I hardly think it counts as edit-warring ("repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree") to make extensive edits to improve an article, have them all undone in a blanket rollback without good reason, and then to restore them, '''once''', asking for an explanation. It is ludicrous (or worse, disingenuous) to claim that it is. By this logic every editor would have to accept every deletion of their edits at the first instance. |
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I have always tried to maintain a collaborative attitude to other editors, in the face of some extremely high-handed reverts, where many well-established editors feel justified in undoing the hard work of newer editors, simply because they have less power, without giving any substantive reason or attempting to engage in any sort of discussion or collaborative process. And when I have (politely) engaged in Talk discussions, often I have been stonewalled by users who simply talked over/past me and been completely inflexible about my reasonable and extensively-explained changes to articles. |
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I have also been in the past the victim of users of the likes of Grnchrst (who I note also displays a clear, almost exclusive, political agenda in their edits, in regards to Anarchism) using spurious warnings to bully and attempt to intimidate me which is why I ignored his communication about my username. |
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Frankly, it's exhausting and demoralising, and yes, does make me justifiably irritated at times. |
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User:ZLEA mentioned "an apparent pattern in the user’s edits". He declined to say what this pattern was or how my edits evidenced it. In any event, since when has a "pattern" been reason to remove an editor from Wikipedia? I reiterate, all my edits have been constructive and in good faith, and if none of them is disruptive individually, they cannot cumulatively be used to justify my banning. That would be the grossest imaginable injustice. |
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User:331dot cited WP:NOTHERE as the supposed grounds for my blocking. |
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I note first "This is an explanatory supplement to the content and behavioral policy and guideline pages. |
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This page is intended to provide additional information about concepts in the page(s) it supplements. '''This page is not one of Wikipedia's policies or guidelines''', as it has not been thoroughly vetted by the community." |
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Now, to me that indicates it should not be used as a pretext to subject users to penalties, let alone what is in practice the harshest penalty. However, I am far from being an experienced Wikipedian and may be wrong. |
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Even if that is the case, he has not demonstrated how I fulfil the criteria listed on that page. My 'behaviour as a whole' shows that I am clearly a productive editor who is here to build an encyclopaedia, even if certain editors may not like what I do. |
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"Indefinite blocks are usually applied when there is significant disruption or threats of disruption, or major breaches of policy." |
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My presence on Wikipedia is none of those things, and this block is clearly unjustifiable. [[User:Ya hemos pasao|Ya hemos pasao]] ([[User talk:Ya hemos pasao#top|talk]]) 06:47, 26 May 2021 (UTC)}} |
Latest revision as of 23:37, 18 June 2022
August 2020
[edit]Please stop adding redundant and bias information onto articles. You can not change articles to fit your agenda. I notice you have a very clear history of this sort of disruptive behaviour. If you do not stop, I will have to take this higher. Thank you. --Wordbearer88 (talk) 12:20, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Wuthering Heights
[edit]Re your recent deletion: why not edit this to better reflect the ambiguity and the better sources that you have? Rwood128 (talk) 11:42, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
- All right, I will, when I have time. Ya hemos pasao (talk) 11:55, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Your edits on Coon
[edit]I've raised them at WP:FTN. Doug Weller talk 12:29, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
October 2020
[edit]Please stop attacking other editors, as you did on Talk:Carleton S. Coon. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Doug Weller talk 10:59, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
Important Notice
[edit]This is a standard message to notify contributors about an administrative ruling in effect. It does not imply that there are any issues with your contributions to date.
You have shown interest in (a) GamerGate, (b) any gender-related dispute or controversy, (c) people associated with (a) or (b), all broadly construed. Due to past disruption in this topic area, a more stringent set of rules called discretionary sanctions is in effect. Any administrator may impose sanctions on editors who do not strictly follow Wikipedia's policies, or the page-specific restrictions, when making edits related to the topic.
For additional information, please see the guidance on discretionary sanctions and the Arbitration Committee's decision here. If you have any questions, or any doubts regarding what edits are appropriate, you are welcome to discuss them with me or any other editor.
Doug Weller talk 12:20, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
A belated welcome
[edit]Hi Ya hemos pasao. Welcome to Wikipedia. I hope you don't mind if I share some of my thoughts on starting out as a new editor on Wikipedia: If I could get editors in your situation to follow just one piece of advice, it would be this: Learn Wikipedia by working only on non-contentious topics until you have a feel for the normal editing process and the policies that usually come up when editing casually. You'll find editing to be fun, easy, and rewarding. The rare disputes are resolved quickly and easily in collaboration.
Working on biographical information about living persons is far more difficult. Wikipedia's Biographies of living persons policy requires strict adherence to multiple content policies, and applies to all information about living persons including talk pages.
If you have a relationship with the topics you want to edit, then you will need to review Wikipedia's Conflict of interest policy, which may require you to disclose your relationship and restrict your editing depending upon how you are affiliated with the subject matter. Regardless, editing in a manner that promotes an entity or viewpoint over others can appear to be detrimental to the purpose of Wikipedia and the neutrality required in articles.
Some topic areas within Wikipedia have special editing restrictions that apply to all editors. It's best to avoid these topics until you are extremely familiar with all relevant policies and guidelines.
If you work from reliable, independent sources, you shouldn't go far wrong. WP:RSP and WP:RSN are helpful in determining if a source is reliable.
I hope you find some useful information in all this, and welcome again. --Hipal (talk) 19:42, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
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[edit]Inappropriate username
[edit]Welcome to Wikipedia. I noticed that your username, "Ya hemos pasao", may not meet Wikipedia's username policy because it appears that you might be using a disruptive or offensive username. "Ya hemos pasao" is a known falangist song and slogan, referencing the words used by Francisco Franco following the nationalist victory in the Siege of Madrid. As this appears to be what your username is referencing, then it may well violate all four of the criteria of :
- The username may be offensive to contributors, particularly those from Spain or descendants of veterans of the Spanish Civil War.
- The username may be taken as a personal attack, as it includes an implication of violence.
- The username may be intended to provoke an emotional reaction, as it is referencing a very emotive political slogan.
- The username may display an intent towards disruptive editing, as it indicates a purpose to treat editing as a battleground and having little or no interest in working collaboratively, due to its connection to a partisan war-time slogan.
This is particularly concerning due to your recent edit warring in the Oxford Spanish Civil War memorial article, which is a subject directly connected to the slogan in the displayed username. If you believe that your username does not violate our policy, please leave a note here explaining why. As an alternative, you may ask for a change of username by completing the form at Special:GlobalRenameRequest, or you may simply create a new account for editing. Thank you. --Grnrchst (talk) 11:48, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
Request for comment
[edit]Hello, Ya hemos pasao. Concerns have been raised that your username may be incompatible with policy. You can contribute to the discussion about it at the page for requests for comment on usernames. Alternatively, if you agree that your username may be problematic and are willing to change it, it is possible for you to keep your present contributions history under a new name. Simply request a new name at Wikipedia:Changing username following the guidelines on that page, rather than creating a whole new account. Thank you. Grnrchst (talk) 16:27, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
May 2021
[edit]You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Sky News Australia. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.
Points to note:
- Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
- Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.
If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. 331dot (talk) 16:31, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
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. 331dot (talk) 20:44, 25 May 2021 (UTC)You seem to be interested in pushing a political agenda and not collaborating with others. A secondary concern is your username, which is a right-wing slogan and potentially disruptive- though I will leave a decision on that to any reviewing administrator(who should view WP:RFCN for a discussion). 331dot (talk) 20:46, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
Ya hemos pasao (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
I have been subjected to an indefinite block by the above user after a discussion that lasted only a few hours, which I did not have the opportunity to participate in. This is clearly an arbitrary and unfair decision, and an egregious abuse of power. The supposed reasons for this block weren't really well-explained, but I will attempt to address them thoroughly. As to the "secondary issue" of my username, as one of the blockers acknowledged, "it's an extremely niche area of history and will be known to very few outside the peninsular below a certain age. We have, after all, users with names including various iterations of International, Red Flag and even Horst-wessel in their usernames" User:331dot specifically mentioned it being a right-wing slogan. Needless to say, if my username were the left-wing slogan No Pasaran, (which Ya Hemos Passo was formulated in response too), I would not be targeted in this way. Nonetheless, I was not aware my username could be perceived to violate Wikipedia policies when I created it and would be willing to change it--so long as this is applied fairly and consistently to other users with political/potentially offensive usernames. As far as me being "interested in pushing a political agenda", that could be applied conservatively to 90%+ of Wikipedia users. There are users on Wikipedia who proclaim openly that on their user pages that they are here with an agenda, often an extremist one! I have seen such users too many times to count, including outright and acknowledged communists, where literally every single edit they make is for the purpose of pushing their POV, whereas I edit articles in a wide range of topics, only some of which which are political, or related to this supposed malicious agenda. (This is because I only edit incidentally, being very busy in real-life.) I can state categorically I do not have some systematic POV-pushing agenda (unlike numerous other users I have encountered); I simply don't have the time. My being blocked for an alleged agenda is thus hypocritical and discriminatory in the extreme. If I have been blocked for alleged "agenda-editing" while other users have carte blanche, what this in fact indicates is that other users have an agenda hostile to me. Merely having certain views is not a reason to be blocked from Wikipedia. Users are not and have never been required to have a Neutral POV. User:ZLEA listed some edits he for some reason took issue with, but has not explained what is supposed to be wrong with any of them. I accept that I may have made some inadvertent mistakes while learning the ropes, but in general my edits are completely justifiable and correct, to the best of my knowledge in accord with Wikipedia's policies, improve the articles they are made to, and I stand by them. I always do my best to give good reasons for my edits and I did so in all those cases, which User:ZLEA must not have read when he cherrypicked edits I suppose he thought looked "incriminating" (of what, exactly, he didn't say). The charge of edit-warring I completely reject. On the contrary, I have been the victim of edit-warring, in cases, such as the Oxford Spanish Civil War memorial article, where the user BulgeUwU (who, incidentally, also demonstrates a clear political agenda in their pattern of edits) repeatedly reverted my edits (and made personal attacks), ignoring my requests to take it to talk instead of continuously reverting without discussion. I am not aware of having violated the three revert rule, which I have always done my best to stick to, even when facing editors such as the above who are unwilling to compromise and have no interest in (or ability to carry on) a reasonable discussion. In the specific case of Sky News Australia, I hardly think it counts as edit-warring ("repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree") to make extensive edits to improve an article, have them all undone in a blanket rollback without good reason, and then to restore them, once, asking for an explanation. It is ludicrous (or worse, disingenuous) to claim that it is. By this logic every editor would have to accept every deletion of their edits at the first instance. I have always tried to maintain a collaborative attitude to other editors, in the face of some extremely high-handed reverts, where many well-established editors feel justified in undoing the hard work of newer editors, simply because they have less power, without giving any substantive reason or attempting to engage in any sort of discussion or collaborative process. And when I have (politely) engaged in Talk discussions, often I have been stonewalled by users who simply talked over/past me and been completely inflexible about my reasonable and extensively-explained changes to articles. I have also been in the past the victim of users of the likes of Grnchrst (who I note also displays a clear, almost exclusive, political agenda in their edits, in regards to Anarchism) using spurious warnings to bully and attempt to intimidate me which is why I ignored his communication about my username. Frankly, it's exhausting and demoralising, and yes, does make me justifiably irritated at times. I apologise if this has come across as hostility to other users. User:ZLEA mentioned "an apparent pattern in the user’s edits". He declined to say what this pattern was or how my edits evidenced it. In any event, since when has a "pattern" been reason to remove an editor from Wikipedia? I reiterate, all my edits have been constructive and in good faith, and if none of them is disruptive individually, they cannot cumulatively be used to justify my banning. That would be the grossest imaginable injustice. User:331dot cited WP:NOTHERE as the supposed grounds for my blocking. I note first "This is an explanatory supplement to the content and behavioral policy and guideline pages. This page is intended to provide additional information about concepts in the page(s) it supplements. This page is not one of Wikipedia's policies or guidelines, as it has not been thoroughly vetted by the community." Now, to me that indicates it should not be used as a pretext to subject users to penalties, let alone what is in practice the harshest penalty. However, I am far from being an experienced Wikipedian and may be wrong. Even if that is the case, he has not demonstrated how I fulfil the criteria listed on that page. My 'behaviour as a whole' shows that I am clearly a productive editor who is here to build an encyclopaedia, even if certain editors may not like what I do. "Indefinite blocks are usually applied when there is significant disruption or threats of disruption, or major breaches of policy." My presence on Wikipedia is none of those things, and this block is clearly unjustifiable. Ya hemos pasao (talk) 06:47, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
Decline reason:
Your very lengthy unblock request confirms the propriety of the block. You have a battleground mentality. You frequently edit-war with other users. Your username is a problem, particularly when coupled with your edits, which generally show a right-wing bias. You are entitled to your political beliefs, but they must not spill over into your edits so that your edits become non-neutral. You really need to stop blaming others for your misconduct and reflect on your own behavior. You appear to have no insight into the problems with your editing vs. the policies of this project. Bbb23 (talk) 07:16, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
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- @Bbb23:If I have a battleground mentality, it's because of the extremely unfair treatment I have been subjected to. You say I "have no insight into the problems with your editing vs. the policies of this project". So please give me that insight. What specifically is wrong with my conduct, and what do I need to do to be unblocked? It cannot be edit-warring since, as I explained, I have not violated the three revert rule, and in cases of disputes I am the one initiating discussions on the talk page, not the other way around. What was I supposed to do in those situations? Roll over and let other editors get away with flagrant POV violations? It cannot be 'right-wing bias' since, as I said, numerous other editors display clear bias and are not penalised for it. My edits improve articles and are in accordance with Wikipedia policies, to the best of my knowledge. I don't attempt to push my personal POV in articles but to maintain NPOV based on reliable sources. I mentioned I am willing to change my username. Please help me to understand what I'm doing wrong so I can do better. Ya hemos pasao (talk) 10:18, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Regarding edit warring, while 3RR is a bright line to cross, you can be determined to be edit warring with fewer reverts, this is spelled out in the policy. 3RR is not an entitlement to three reverts. 331dot (talk) 10:10, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- I have nothing much new to say. You are extraordinarily sure of the righteousness of your own opinions, which is off-putting at best. This shows up in your edits and, even more obviously in your overly long edit summaries. I suggest you think some more about what others have criticized you for, look at it from their perspective rather than your own, and formulate another unblock request for another administrator to review. I strongly urge you to make that unblock request shorter, more temperate, and a geat deal less of WP:NOTTHEM.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:18, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
- Just noting that yes, I would block a left wing slogan or a centrist slogan; the username policy does not discriminate based on political views. 331dot (talk) 08:22, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Pings do not work unless you sign the same post in which you ping, I will ping @Bbb23: for you. 331dot (talk) 08:40, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
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Request reason:
Re-appealing indefinite block of last year. My username was objected to on I think silly and spurious grounds. But as I've said, I'm willing to change it if it is actually an issue. Accusations of edit-warring are similarly without merit and highly unfair, giving I strove to be the communicative/conciliatory party in disputes with other editors (who were in clear violation of Wiki policies). What it boils down is basically some people don't like my edits for their own reasons that have everything to do with their own personal bias, and nothing to do with Wikipedia's policies. Clearly I am here to build an encyclopaedia and contribute. My rapid indefinite block was not only entirely unjustified but an extreme over-reach, and I hope can be corrected quickly. Ya hemos pasao (talk) 05:41, 13 June 2022 (UTC) 05:40, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
Decline reason:
This does not convince me it would be beneficial to unblock you. You continue to blame others and claim your edits were generally fine. Yamla (talk) 10:09, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
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