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== Colour-coded countries map based on health care type ==
==Opposition to Universal Health Care==
"Not dying from an easily treated disease because a person cannot afford health insurance is not a right." I don't think even the Nation would phrase things in this manner if it were asked to list criticisms its opponents have to universal health care, hence I edited this. Furthermore, is it really appropriate to have unsourced rebuttals to the criticisms?


Map is inaccurate [[User:Red Gabriel|Red Gabriel]] ([[User talk:Red Gabriel|talk]]) 20:49, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
There are some serious NPOV problems with this section, but I'll leave it to a more experienced Wikipedian to fix it.<small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Tin Man|Tin Man]] ([[User talk:Tin Man|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tin Man|contribs]]) 15:32, 6 September 2006 (UTC).</small>


Agree, a lot of countries in green don’t even have universal healthcare. we should replace it with a more accurate one. [[User:Sirui JIN|Sirui JIN]] ([[User talk:Sirui JIN|talk]]) 03:12, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
:Regarding: "[I]s it really appropriate to have unsourced rebuttals to the criticisms?" Rebuttal to criticism is OK, but Wikipedia policy is that content must be published by verifiable sources. -[[User:AED|AED]] 18:25, 6 September 2006 (UTC)


== Table from New York State Department of Health ==


See: [[User:Timeshifter/Sandbox194]]
== pro and con lists ==


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The lists have some serious problems, and should probably just be summary sections that point to a full article on the topic. For example, it is misleading to state "health care is a right" without explanation, and it is also embarrassing because the artics]</sup> 18:51, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
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::UHC is not always SP, but SP is a type of UHC, so I thought it would be better incorporated into that article. [[User:Kborer|Kborer]] 19:38, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
It's not true that SP is a form of UHC. Contray to what many people think, including many single-payer advocates, the two are distinct concepts. Single-payer is a economic model for financing health care. UHC is a concept that all people are guaranteed access to needed medical care; that there is universal coverage, such as under a private and/or public health insurance system. That's it. Single-payer is, in it's literal meaning--which is what's most relevant--simply an economic model for financing medical services delivered to patients. Single-payer also denotes--for nearly all of its advocates--a way of setting up a fee negotiation structure between the payer and providers (this can be referenced by leading SP advocacy organizations such as Physicians for a National Health Program). The payer of single-payer can be either a private or public payer. Single-payer does not imply UHC; they address distinct concepts; respectively, a financing model and access model. Some of the confusion comes from that fact that virtually all single-payer systems also utilize universal coverage, and most single-payer advocates--in the US and elsewhere, also advocate for universal coverage. But they are distinct. UHC is not a type of single-payer, and single-payer is not a type of UHC. I wrote a fair amount of the entry for single-payer and addressed these issues in a slightly more expanded manner there. Single-payer advocates also call for a number of other health system elements, but those, too, are not literally "single-payer." I'm new to this, so I have more to comment about in the article--not having made any edits yet, most saliently the misstatements regarding UHC and socialism and the inapt inclusion of this entry in the Socialism category. If anything is to be done, rather than repeating the info from other entries, like single-payer, or merging, is to hyperlink to the more expanded commentary elsewhere and to strip it out of here, allowing the focus on UHC itself, and secondarily referring to the related issues such as financing mechanisms. ---- my sigg isn't showing up, so by JackWikiSTP
:::You're right. I removed the suggested merge tags awhile ago, but I guess there's no harm in continuing to talk about it. There is a lot of misunderstanding with this and related health care topics. Originally I had thought that bringing together the ideas that were being miss used would help clarify the situation, but currently it seems best to have separate pages which specify what is what, and what is not what. [[User:Kborer|Kborer]] 22:30, 23 January 2007 (UTC)


See reference below table.
Leads to make this a better site:


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Two important details to research on this topic.
|+ style="border: 1px solid;"|Starting year of universal health care.<ref name=NY.gov>[https://www.health.ny.gov/regulations/hcra/univ_hlth_care.htm Foreign Countries with Universal Health Care]. By [[New York State Department of Health]].</ref> Links are "Healthcare in COUNTRY"
!Country
!Year
|-
|{{flagg|uspeft|pref=Healthcare in|pref2=Health in|Australia}}
|1975
|-
|{{flagg|uspeft|pref=Healthcare in|pref2=Health in|Austria}}
|1967
|-
|{{flagg|uspeft|pref=Healthcare in|pref2=Health in|Bahrain}}
|1957
|-
|{{flagg|uspeft|pref=Healthcare in|pref2=Health in|Belgium}}
|1945
|-
|{{flagg|uspeft|pref=Healthcare in|pref2=Health in|Brunei}}
|1958
|-
|{{flagg|uspeft|pref=Healthcare in|pref2=Health in|Canada}}
|1966
|-
|{{flagg|uspeft|pref=Healthcare in|pref2=Health in|Cyprus}}
|1980
|-
|{{flagg|uspeft|pref=Healthcare in|pref2=Health in|Denmark}}
|1973
|-
|{{flagg|uspeft|pref=Healthcare in|pref2=Health in|Finland}}
|1972
|-
|{{flagg|uspeft|pref=Healthcare in|pref2=Health in|France}}
|1974
|-
|{{flagg|uspeft|pref=Healthcare in|pref2=Health in|Germany}}
|1941
|-
|{{flagg|uspeft|pref=Healthcare in|pref2=Health in|Greece}}
|1983
|-
|{{flagg|uspeft|pref=Healthcare in|pref2=Health in|Hong Kong}}
|1993
|-
|{{flagg|uspeft|pref=Healthcare in|pref2=Health in|Iceland}}
|1990
|-
|{{flagg|uspeft|pref=Healthcare in|pref2=Health in|Ireland}}
|1977
|-
|{{flagg|uspeft|pref=Healthcare in|pref2=Health in|Israel}}
|1995
|-
|{{flagg|uspeft|pref=Healthcare in|pref2=Health in|Italy}}
|1978
|-
|{{flagg|uspeft|pref=Healthcare in|pref2=Health in|Japan}}
|1938
|-
|{{flagg|uspeft|pref=Healthcare in|pref2=Health in|Kuwait}}
|1950
|-
|{{flagg|uspeft|pref=Healthcare in|pref2=Health in|Luxembourg}}
|1973
|-
|{{flagg|uspeft|pref=Healthcare in|pref2=Health in|Netherlands}}
|1966
|-
|{{flagg|uspeft|pref=Healthcare in|pref2=Health in|New Zealand}}
|1938
|-
|{{flagg|uspeft|pref=Healthcare in|pref2=Health in|Norway}}
|1912
|-
|{{flagg|uspeft|pref=Healthcare in|pref2=Health in|Portugal}}
|1979
|-
|{{flagg|uspeft|pref=Healthcare in|pref2=Health in|Singapore}}
|1993
|-
|{{flagg|uspeft|pref=Healthcare in|pref2=Health in|Slovenia}}
|1972
|-
|{{flagg|uspeft|pref=Healthcare in|pref2=Health in|South Korea}}
|1988
|-
|{{flagg|uspeft|pref=Healthcare in|pref2=Health in|Spain}}
|1986
|-
|{{flagg|uspeft|pref=Healthcare in|pref2=Health in|Sweden}}
|1955
|-
|{{flagg|uspeft|pref=Healthcare in|pref2=Health in|Switzerland}}
|1994
|-
|{{flagg|uspeft|pref=Healthcare in|pref2=Health in|United Arab Emirates}}
|1971
|-
|{{flagg|uspeft|pref=Healthcare in|pref2=Health in|United Kingdom}}
|1948
|}


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The top two systems Italy and France, (Canada way back, because it is controlled by the Doctors Union, and most services are privatly supplied, with no quality control.)
--[[User:Timeshifter|'''Timeshifter''']] ([[User talk:Timeshifter|talk]]) 19:35, 26 May 2023 (UTC)


== Why does the universal healthcare map repeat the same options multiple times? ==
France. You pay the doctor first, and then the government re-imburses you, so that you are the audit system.


The first map shown in this article repeats the options "Countries with universal health care" and "Countries without universal healthcare" with two different colors. [[User:CerealContainer|CerealContainer]] ([[User talk:CerealContainer|talk]]) 14:37, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
Italy. Doctors receive a per capita annual salary, so the system, the payment system rewards health. <ref>[http://www.internationalliving.com/italy/healthcare.html Italy's health System]</ref>


:I don't understand that either. Perhaps the map should just be deleted? [[User:Mr Serjeant Buzfuz|Mr Serjeant Buzfuz]] ([[User talk:Mr Serjeant Buzfuz|talk]]) 15:58, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
Canadian system rewards visits.


:Because someone long ago made a crazy and incorrect map which nobody knows how to/wants to fix and update, and some other people have decided it shouldn't be deleted. The details are on Commons: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File_talk:Universal_Healthcare_by_Country.svg [[User:Ornilnas|Ornilnas]] ([[User talk:Ornilnas|talk]]) 13:37, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
I will try to do the research...asap...


== Universal Health Coverage vs Care ==
--[[User:Caesarjbsquitti|Caesar J. B. Squitti : Son of Maryann Rosso and Arthur Natale Squitti]] 00:10, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Why is this page titled "universal health care"? The WHO uses the term "Universal Health Coverage", which better describes the concept, since what is universal is coverage of health services, not the provision of health services. I hesitate to change it since I'm not a wikipedia editor, but I am a health systems person and would be happy to edit to be more technically accurate, if needed. [[Special:Contributions/71.163.76.178|71.163.76.178]] ([[User talk:71.163.76.178|talk]]) 13:52, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

https://www.who.int/health-topics/universal-health-coverage <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/71.163.76.178|71.163.76.178]] ([[User talk:71.163.76.178#top|talk]]) 13:53, 28 March 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Latest revision as of 18:31, 20 December 2024


Colour-coded countries map based on health care type

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Map is inaccurate Red Gabriel (talk) 20:49, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Agree, a lot of countries in green don’t even have universal healthcare. we should replace it with a more accurate one. Sirui JIN (talk) 03:12, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Table from New York State Department of Health

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See: User:Timeshifter/Sandbox194

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See reference below table.

Starting year of universal health care.[1] Links are "Healthcare in COUNTRY"
Country Year
 Australia 1975
 Austria 1967
 Bahrain 1957
 Belgium 1945
 Brunei 1958
 Canada 1966
 Cyprus 1980
 Denmark 1973
 Finland 1972
 France 1974
 Germany 1941
 Greece 1983
 Hong Kong 1993
 Iceland 1990
 Ireland 1977
 Israel 1995
 Italy 1978
 Japan 1938
 Kuwait 1950
 Luxembourg 1973
 Netherlands 1966
 New Zealand 1938
 Norway 1912
 Portugal 1979
 Singapore 1993
 Slovenia 1972
 South Korea 1988
 Spain 1986
 Sweden 1955
 Switzerland 1994
 United Arab Emirates 1971
 United Kingdom 1948

References

  1. ^ Foreign Countries with Universal Health Care. By New York State Department of Health.

--Timeshifter (talk) 19:35, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Why does the universal healthcare map repeat the same options multiple times?

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The first map shown in this article repeats the options "Countries with universal health care" and "Countries without universal healthcare" with two different colors. CerealContainer (talk) 14:37, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand that either. Perhaps the map should just be deleted? Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 15:58, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Because someone long ago made a crazy and incorrect map which nobody knows how to/wants to fix and update, and some other people have decided it shouldn't be deleted. The details are on Commons: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File_talk:Universal_Healthcare_by_Country.svg Ornilnas (talk) 13:37, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Universal Health Coverage vs Care

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Why is this page titled "universal health care"? The WHO uses the term "Universal Health Coverage", which better describes the concept, since what is universal is coverage of health services, not the provision of health services. I hesitate to change it since I'm not a wikipedia editor, but I am a health systems person and would be happy to edit to be more technically accurate, if needed. 71.163.76.178 (talk) 13:52, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.who.int/health-topics/universal-health-coverage — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.163.76.178 (talk) 13:53, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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