Jump to content

Talk:Recep Tayyip Erdoğan: Difference between revisions

Page contents not supported in other languages.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Browse history interactively
← Previous edit
Content deleted Content added
VisualWikitext
→stop edit warring: removing pov strikethroughs
 
(124 intermediate revisions by 65 users not shown)
Line 1: Line 1:
{{Talk header|search=no|noarchives=yes}}
{{Talk header|search=no|noarchives=yes}}
{{Vital article|level=5|topic=People|subpage=Politicians|class=B}}
{{Controversial}}
{{Controversial}}
{{Calm}}
{{Calm}}
{{Not a forum}}
{{Not a forum}}
{{On this day|date1=2018-02-26|oldid1=827818238}}
{{On this day|date1=2018-02-26|oldid1=827818238|date2=2024-02-26|oldid2=1210099807}}
{{WikiProject banner shell|collapsed=yes|blp=yes|1=
{{WikiProject banner shell|collapsed=yes|blp=activepol|class=B|vital=yes|listas=Erdogan, Recep Tayyip|1=
{{WikiProject Biography|class=B|living=yes|politician-priority=top|politician-work-group=yes|activepol=yes|listas=Erdogan, Recep Tayyip}}
{{WikiProject Biography|politician-priority=top|politician-work-group=yes}}
{{WikiProject Turkey|class=B|importance=high}}
{{WikiProject Turkey|importance=high}}
{{WikiProject Politics|class=B|importance=high}}
{{WikiProject Politics|importance=high}}
{{WikiProject Conservatism|class=B |importance=high}}
{{WikiProject Conservatism|importance=high}}
{{WikiProject 2010s|importance=high}}
| activepol=yes
}}
}}
{{User:MiszaBot/config
{{User:MiszaBot/config
⚫
| algo = old(30d)
|archiveheader = {{Aan}}
⚫
| archive = Talk:Recep Tayyip Erdoğan/Archive 7
⚫
|maxarchivesize = 50K
| counter = 1
⚫
|minthreadsleft = 5
⚫
| maxarchivesize = 150K
⚫
|minthreadstoarchive = 1
| archiveheader = {{Automatic archive navigator}}
⚫
|algo = old(30d)
⚫
| minthreadstoarchive = 1
⚫
|archive = Talk:Recep Tayyip Erdoğan/Archive %(counter)d
⚫
| minthreadsleft = 5
}}
}}
⚫
{{Archives}}

⚫
{{Archives|search=no}}


== Announcement of reactionary policy on American/Israeli electronic products/services ==
== Announcement of reactionary policy on American/Israeli electronic products/services ==
Line 27: Line 26:
Did the initial announcement come on the 13th or the 14th of August 2018, and does the proper translation add-up to "products and services" or just "products"? The announcement came through in English by a non-Asian newsmedia on the 14th, but did not mention Israeli electronic products and services.
Did the initial announcement come on the 13th or the 14th of August 2018, and does the proper translation add-up to "products and services" or just "products"? The announcement came through in English by a non-Asian newsmedia on the 14th, but did not mention Israeli electronic products and services.


: Erdogan is a puppet of Israel.
⚫
== Semi-protected edit request on 25 April 2021 ==


== "Erdogan" ==
⚫
{{edit semi-protected|Recep Tayyip Erdoğan|answered=yes}}
Change "President of Turkey" and "Prime Minister of Turkey" to "president of Turkey" and "prime minister of Turkey" respectively, in accordance with similar wiki pages of incument presidents. [[User:Mhapperger|Mhapperger]] ([[User talk:Mhapperger|talk]]) 18:04, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]]&nbsp;'''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> per [[MOS:JOBTITLES]]. And it's unclear which specific part of the article you want to be changed. [[User:Deauthorized|Deauthorized]]. <sup>([[User_talk:Deauthorized|talk]])</sup> 18:25, 25 April 2021 (UTC)


Please write "Erdogan", not "Erdoğan". [[Special:Contributions/81.215.232.167|81.215.232.167]] ([[User talk:81.215.232.167|talk]]) 20:16, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
==Cancer claim==
:Why is that? A [[wp:reliable source]] on this? [[User:Adakiko|Adakiko]] ([[User talk:Adakiko|talk]]) 21:16, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
Early life
::@[[User:Adakiko|Adakiko]] Per [[WP:USEENGLISH]], English Wikipedia uses transliterated names to ensure accessibility for English readers, while [[WP:LEAD]] allows original scripts in the lead for authenticity and pronunciation. Additionally, the [[BBC]]<ref>{{Cite web|title=BBC Topic Page for Recep Tayyip Erdogan|url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/topics/cdl8n2edeplt}}</ref> is a proponent of this practice and meets [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources]]. [[User:James Bateaux|James Bateaux]] ([[User talk:James Bateaux|talk]]) 13:15, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
:::{{yo|James Bateaux}} Please make an [[wp:edit request]] or start a discussion on this in a new section to change the spelling. Please use [[help:notifications]] and ping users who have made contributions to the article or talk page. Also, suggest checking the archive such as [[Talk:Recep_Tayyip_Erdoğan/Archive_6#Spelling|here]]. Please add a {{tl|talkref}} to keep the citation in this section; I added one below. Thank you [[User:Adakiko|Adakiko]] ([[User talk:Adakiko|talk]]) 19:43, 30 October 2024 (UTC)


{{talkref}} <!-- LEAVE THIS AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS SECTION AND ADD TALK ABOVE -->
"In 2011, Erdogan was diagnosed with colon cancer, for which he underwent treatment and surgery.[https://nordicmonitor.com/2020/05/turkeys-president-erdogan-operated-for-cancer-suffers-from-epilepsy/ [54<nowiki>]</nowiki>]"


== Place of birth ==
Nordic Monitor said that Recep Tayyip Erdogan underwent surgery to remove a cancerous tumor from the anus and suffers from epilepsy which is among other possible health complications, which may explain his irregular behavior that sometimes baffles many external observers.


Sorry for my imprecise english language (I don't speak it very well, because i'm not from an english country). But I want to say that Recep Tayyip Erdoğan was born in Istanbul on February 26, 1954, not in Rize (you can see the site of Columbia University https://worldleaders.columbia.edu/directory/recep-tayyip-erdogan and the official website of the Turkish government https://www.tccb.gov.tr/receptayyiperdogan/biyografi/). Yours faithfully. [[Special:Contributions/2A02:B027:F02:7329:D1F1:28B9:E550:3B46|2A02:B027:F02:7329:D1F1:28B9:E550:3B46]] ([[User talk:2A02:B027:F02:7329:D1F1:28B9:E550:3B46|talk]]) 20:01, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
https://hawarnews.com/en/haber/swedish-site-erdogan-underwent-surgery-to-treat-cancer-and-suffers-from-epilepsy-h16717.html <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2607:FEA8:7061:6C30:DD84:F143:3688:82CE|2607:FEA8:7061:6C30:DD84:F143:3688:82CE]] ([[User talk:2607:FEA8:7061:6C30:DD84:F143:3688:82CE#top|talk]]) 04:23, 2 October 2021 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


:{{done|}} I've made the requested change. &nbsp;--[[User talk:Lambiam#top|Lambiam]] 21:52, 7 March 2024 (UTC)


⚫
== Semi-protected edit request on 8 March 2024 ==


⚫
{{Edit semi-protected|Recep Tayyip Erdoğan|answered=yes}}
The claim that Erdogan had cancer in 2011 or has it now is found only in [https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/nordic-monitor/ Nordic Monitor] (Media bias fact check), all other news sources that refer to [https://nationalinterest.org/feature/where-will-erdo%C4%9Fan-be-buried-178592 this claim (search for "colon cancer")] link back to Nordic Monitor. Furthermore how they obtained this information is vague "...a Nordic Monitor investigation has found". I am not saying he did not have colon cancer, he may well have had it, he did have surgery in November of that year. But the article does not show any concrete evidence of this so it should be removed. [[User:Lochglasgowstrathyre|Lochglasgowstrathyre]] ([[User talk:Lochglasgowstrathyre|talk]]) 13:11, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
On March 8, 2024, he declared that he would retire once his presidential term ended. [https://sg.news.yahoo.com/erdogan-says-march-local-elections-204706017.html], [https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/turkeys-erdogan-says-march-election-will-be-his-final-state-media-reports-2024-03-08/] [[Special:Contributions/2001:4645:B0B3:0:5CDD:7020:D089:29F3|2001:4645:B0B3:0:5CDD:7020:D089:29F3]] ([[User talk:2001:4645:B0B3:0:5CDD:7020:D089:29F3|talk]]) 23:53, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
:[[File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a [[WP:EDITXY|"change X to Y" format]] and provide a [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable source]] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] ([[User talk:M.Bitton|talk]]) 22:29, 9 March 2024 (UTC)


== There are no honorary titles in Türkiye. ==
I have removed it [[User:Lochglasgowstrathyre|Lochglasgowstrathyre]] ([[User talk:Lochglasgowstrathyre|talk]]) 17:54, 7 June 2021 (UTC)


Royalty titles, religious titles and any kind of honorary titles that implies social status difference are banned in Türkiye with the law number 2590. No any citizen can’t have any personal title except the name of their official occupation. Which is only used for his position in that state office, not used as any kind of official identity.
There was also another incident where he refused to come out of a car with his attache worried and waiting as a result of having an epileptic seizure. Erdogan is also very sensitive about disclosing that he has epilepsi.


“Cumhurbaşkanı” in Turkish is a combination of words cumhur which means public; and başkan which means president, chief, head, chairman etc. In Turkish used as main translation of “President”.
== stop edit warring ==


“His Excellency” should be removed. If there will be a title section it can be something like “Chairman of Republic”, “Head of Republic”. Just using “President” or “Cumhurbaşkanı” is also acceptable. And it should be added to every single Turkish president.
{{ping|SoaringLL}}, stop you are EDIT WARRING. You are removing sourced content and calling me out for doing the same, when in reality you're the only one doing it. What is the meaning and purpose of this? <span style="text-shadow: 2px 2px 4px #73C9FF; font-size: 106%;">[[User:Adigabrek|~𝓐𝓭𝓲𝓰𝓪𝓫𝓻𝓮𝓴 𝓽𝓱𝓮 𝓕𝓲𝓻𝓼𝓽~<span style="color: black"></span>]]</span><sup>[[User talk:Adigabrek|<span style="color: green">Contact</span>]]</sup> {{country data Circassia|flagicon/core|variant=|size=}} 17:17, 4 June 2021 (UTC)


However, I think that section should be removed because;
:You are deleting a long-standing and [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Recep_Tayyip_Erdo%C4%9Fan&diff=1026863883&oldid=1026857500 well-sourced information] on Erdogan's relationship with antisemitic novelist [[Necip Fazıl Kısakürek]] and replacing it for a stupid tweet (which is not a reliable source) by some agent of Turkish state-propaganda.--[[User:SoaringLL|SoaringLL]] ([[User talk:SoaringLL|talk]]) 01:47, 6 June 2021 (UTC) See [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/יניב_הורון]]
-There is no existing title that can be used except his occupation
:{{ping|SoaringLL}} hello,
-He is not a historical figure
-He is just an elected president, he shouldn’t have any specific recognition rather than that.


:1- I have never deleted anything related to [[Necip Fazıl Kısakürek]] in my edits, you can go back and check every single of them, the part about [[Necip Fazıl Kısakürek]] is still there.


[https://tr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A2kap_ve_Unvanlar%C4%B1n_Kald%C4%B1r%C4%B1lmas%C4%B1_Hakk%C4%B1ndaki_Kanun Wikipedia page]
:2- All I did was add a tweet from the Chief Rabbinate of Jews (which is a reliable source, and not "government propaganda" as you claim. your claim falls under the category of conspiracy theories and is irrelevant for wikipedia.).


:For the sake of not edit warring, I will not be interfearing further until a consensus is reached.


:{{ping|Jeppiz}} I request you to please check the individual edits and this talk page to help us reach a consensus from a third party view. <span style="text-shadow: 2px 2px 4px #73C9FF; font-size: 106%;">[[User:Adigabrek|~𝓐𝓭𝓲𝓰𝓪𝓫𝓻𝓮𝓴 𝓽𝓱𝓮 𝓕𝓲𝓻𝓼𝓽~<span style="color: black"></span>]]</span><sup>[[User talk:Adigabrek|<span style="color: green">Contact</span>]]</sup> {{country data Circassia|flagicon/core|variant=|size=}} 13:16, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
:{{ping|Adigabrek}}, {{ping|SoaringLL}} First, I recognise you are both acting in good faith even though you disagree. Second, you have both been edit warring and that needs to stop. Third, Adigabrek is correct that they didn't delete content and shouldn't be accused of that. Fourth, whether the tweet by the rabbinate is [[WP:DUE]] or not is a borderline call. My own feeling is that the onus would be on those who want to remove it to make a case for why it's not due. In the absence of such an argument, I would lean towards including it. [[User:Jeppiz|Jeppiz]] ([[User talk:Jeppiz|talk]]) 13:23, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
::I apologize. I was mistaken, since content related to Erdogan's relationship with the novelist wasn't removed. Nevertheless, it's not clear why we should add that particular quote from a Jewish government official (or semi-official under the auspices of the Turkish government) given the fact that Erdogan has made openly antisemitic statements in the past and those are not covered in text, such as accusing The New York Times of being under "[https://www.timesofisrael.com/erdogan-jewish-capital-behind-new-york-times/ Jewish capital]" or something (which is laughable since the newspaper is usually biased against Israel, but whatever). It's obvious that the official rabbi of Turkey won't endanger his own community by criticizing Erdogan publically for his antisemitism, which would be suicidal (losing his job, prison or worse). Also per [[WP:ONUS]]: "The onus to achieve consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content."--[[User:SoaringLL|SoaringLL]] ([[User talk:SoaringLL|talk]]) 05:38, 7 June 2021 (UTC) See [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/יניב_הורון]]
:::{{ping|SoaringLL}}, Hello. It '''is '''a fact that the Rabbi posted it, and ''why'' he posted it is not our concern, as we do not express our personal opinions/theories/beliefs in Wikipedia, rather we put things the way they are materially. <span style="text-shadow: 2px 2px 4px #73C9FF; font-size: 106%;">[[User:Adigabrek|~𝓐𝓭𝓲𝓰𝓪𝓫𝓻𝓮𝓴 𝓽𝓱𝓮 𝓕𝓲𝓻𝓼𝓽~<span style="color: black"></span>]]</span><sup>[[User talk:Adigabrek|<span style="color: green">Contact</span>]]</sup> {{country data Circassia|flagicon/core|variant=|size=}} 20:46, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
::::It doesn't work like that. We don't include everything that everyone says, unless is pertinent and consistent with [[WP:due weight]] per NPOV. A tweet by some rabbi in Turkey is not more important than openly antisemitic remarks by Erdogan, which are not covered in article. In any case, at the beginning of [[Recep Tayyip Erdoğan#Views about minorities|section]] on Jews there is already a sentence stating "''While Erdoğan has declared several times being against antisemitism''..." so we already have a whitewashing line to balance accusations of antisemitism, there is no need to include also that boot-licking tweet by that rabbi who, I repeat myself, is merely protecting his community from an autocratic regime. It would be dangerous for him to denounce Erdogan in public, as well as foolish. The same thing happens with the representatives of the small Jewish community that's left in Iran. Everywhere else in the world, people recognize Erdogan for the antisemitic clown that he is, [https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210518-us-condemns-erdogan-anti-semitic-remarks from Joe Biden] to [https://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Netanyahu-calls-April-Fools-on-Erdogan-statement-condemning-Israel-547625 Netanyahu] to a [https://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Netanyahu-finally-calls-out-Erdogan-for-anti-Semitic-statements-363529 leftist Israeli politician from Meretz]. If we put in the article some Turkish rabbi's tweet, for sure we should include also a statement on the matter by the President of the United States, don't you think? And then, if we include every statement that was made supporting or refuting the characterization of Erdogan as antisemitic, the entire section would become an encyclopedia on its own.--[[User:SoaringLL|SoaringLL]] ([[User talk:SoaringLL|talk]]) 23:06, 7 June 2021 (UTC) See [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/יניב_הורון]]


[https://www.mevzuat.gov.tr/MevzuatMetin/1.3.2590.pdf Official document of the law] [[User:Yarluq20|Yarluq20]] ([[User talk:Yarluq20|talk]]) 16:27, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
=="Insulting"==
"Turkish prosecutors have launched investigations into a total of 128,872 citizens between 2014 and 2019 on charges of "insulting" President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan" - https://www.duvarenglish.com/nearly-129000-people-probed-for-insulting-erdogan-in-5-years-news-56834. Imo, it is also insulting to the truth that this has a mere two mentions in the article, with both examples from some time ago, and with no indication given that they are part of a much larger and still ongoing process of intimidation. The mention from 2016 says 6000 cases to date, so this is seriously out of date content that urgently needs updating. [[Special:Contributions/78.149.46.96|78.149.46.96]] ([[User talk:78.149.46.96|talk]]) 01:24, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 20:38, 29 November 2024

Announcement of reactionary policy on American/Israeli electronic products/services

[edit]

Did the initial announcement come on the 13th or the 14th of August 2018, and does the proper translation add-up to "products and services" or just "products"? The announcement came through in English by a non-Asian newsmedia on the 14th, but did not mention Israeli electronic products and services.

Erdogan is a puppet of Israel.

"Erdogan"

[edit]

Please write "Erdogan", not "Erdoğan". 81.215.232.167 (talk) 20:16, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why is that? A wp:reliable source on this? Adakiko (talk) 21:16, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Adakiko Per WP:USEENGLISH, English Wikipedia uses transliterated names to ensure accessibility for English readers, while WP:LEAD allows original scripts in the lead for authenticity and pronunciation. Additionally, the BBC[1] is a proponent of this practice and meets Wikipedia:Reliable sources. James Bateaux (talk) 13:15, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@James Bateaux: Please make an wp:edit request or start a discussion on this in a new section to change the spelling. Please use help:notifications and ping users who have made contributions to the article or talk page. Also, suggest checking the archive such as here. Please add a {{talkref}} to keep the citation in this section; I added one below. Thank you Adakiko (talk) 19:43, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "BBC Topic Page for Recep Tayyip Erdogan".

Place of birth

[edit]

Sorry for my imprecise english language (I don't speak it very well, because i'm not from an english country). But I want to say that Recep Tayyip Erdoğan was born in Istanbul on February 26, 1954, not in Rize (you can see the site of Columbia University https://worldleaders.columbia.edu/directory/recep-tayyip-erdogan and the official website of the Turkish government https://www.tccb.gov.tr/receptayyiperdogan/biyografi/). Yours faithfully. 2A02:B027:F02:7329:D1F1:28B9:E550:3B46 (talk) 20:01, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I've made the requested change.  --Lambiam 21:52, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 8 March 2024

[edit]

On March 8, 2024, he declared that he would retire once his presidential term ended. [1], [2] 2001:4645:B0B3:0:5CDD:7020:D089:29F3 (talk) 23:53, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 22:29, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are no honorary titles in Türkiye.

[edit]

Royalty titles, religious titles and any kind of honorary titles that implies social status difference are banned in Türkiye with the law number 2590. No any citizen can’t have any personal title except the name of their official occupation. Which is only used for his position in that state office, not used as any kind of official identity.

“Cumhurbaşkanı” in Turkish is a combination of words cumhur which means public; and başkan which means president, chief, head, chairman etc. In Turkish used as main translation of “President”.

“His Excellency” should be removed. If there will be a title section it can be something like “Chairman of Republic”, “Head of Republic”. Just using “President” or “Cumhurbaşkanı” is also acceptable. And it should be added to every single Turkish president.

However, I think that section should be removed because; -There is no existing title that can be used except his occupation -He is not a historical figure -He is just an elected president, he shouldn’t have any specific recognition rather than that. 


 Wikipedia page


Official document of the law Yarluq20 (talk) 16:27, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Recep_Tayyip_Erdoğan&oldid=1260265964"