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-== Missing reliable source for tenth grade is 10. Klasse in German school system? ==
-Really? First of all: I am a teacher here in Gremany - it is common knowledge that does not need any reliable source. Second: I just wanted to clear up the differences in English wikipedia: Some grades HAVE  already the equivalent in German - others don't. If anybody is able to count to 13 you have every other equivalent just by adding one or doing equally difficult calculus. But sorry for the attempt to work on english wikipedia - German wikipedia has enough issues so I do not need stupid restrictions like this one. Sorry.  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Andreas von Stackelberg|Andreas von Stackelberg]] ([[User talk:Andreas von Stackelberg#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Andreas von Stackelberg|contribs]]) 04:06, 31 January 2022 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+What is the introduction to this article? [[Special:Contributions/2A02:1810:250D:4700:3893:87CA:45A3:440E|2A02:1810:250D:4700:3893:87CA:45A3:440E]] ([[User talk:2A02:1810:250D:4700:3893:87CA:45A3:440E|talk]]) 18:55, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
-Eighth Grade - for example - had 8.Klasse already [[User:Andreas von Stackelberg|Andreas von Stackelberg]] ([[User talk:Andreas von Stackelberg|talk]]) 04:08, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
-== Introductory phrase ==
-{{Cquote|text=Tenth [10th] grade (called Grade 10 in some regions) is the tenth year of school post-kindergarten or the tenth year after the first introductory year upon entering compulsory schooling.}}
-This second part of the phrase, i.e., "the tenth year after the first introductory year upon entering compulsory schooling", makes no sense. The tenth year '''after''' the first year would be the eleventh year. If this part has to be kept, it should be "the tenth year when counting from the first year of entering compulsory schooling". In case the quoted phrase means that the introductory year is before the compulsory schooling starts, I suggest to:
-* either delete this part, since it contradicts the part before it "Tenth [10th] grade (called Grade 10 in some regions) is the tenth year of school post-kindergarten"
-* or to rewrite it so that it is logically clear that there is a difference.
-<!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/88.219.148.134|88.219.148.134]] ([[User talk:88.219.148.134#top|talk]]) 16:03, 19 March 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-== Sophomore Redirect ==
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-Currently Sophomore redirects to this page.
-I feel that's incorrect since it doesn't refer to 10th grade itself, but rather, to "the second year" whether that be 10th grade (2nd year of high school) or 2nd year University.  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/74.13.28.119|74.13.28.119]] ([[User talk:74.13.28.119|talk]]) 05:30, 20 September 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-:Agreed. "Sophomore" refers to the second year of schooling both in high school and in college; it should not redirect here. [[User:Chubbles|Chubbles]] 16:11, 24 September 2007 (UTC)]]
-== English & Scottish 'Equivalents' ==
-I removed these sections after some thought.  There appears to be a problem (at least how I see it) in including these sections in a page headed '10th Grade' as it is a term not used in either systems.  Furthermore, the entries talked about the '''equivalent''' years, which are in fact the ''11th'' year of education in both, further divorcing them from the heading.  So really all they have in common is the age of the students/pupils.   I don't know if they belong on this page, as it is not a page dedicated to comparing educational systems.  Or is it?  I note that [[Eleventh grade]] continues on the same theme.  It all appears to be attempting to unify comparisons under a term that only really belongs to the U.S., so if we are to use the page as a way of comparing educational systems the page would need a more generic title ('Education of 15-16 year olds', or something).  (I can't speak for how valid this page is for Canada & Australia.  I just reorganised what was already there for them.) --[[User:Escape_Orbit|<span style="color:purple;">Escape Orbit</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Escape_Orbit|(Talk)]]</sup> 16:55, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
-Tenth grade, and grade generally, is an American term.  It should be described as such.  It is ridiculous to describe the Indian standard, for instance, as if it is the same as grade. Obviously it is not.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/124.197.15.138|124.197.15.138]] ([[User talk:124.197.15.138|talk]]) 06:27, 1 June 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-== Northern Irish Equivalent ==
-th Grade is not 'Year 12', it is certainly 'Year 11'.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/84.68.68.245|84.68.68.245]] ([[User talk:84.68.68.245|talk]]) 11:10, 7 August 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
--if it is year 11 in england then in northern ireland its year 12. in northern ireland you take the english equivilant and add on 1.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/86.172.161.242|86.172.161.242]] ([[User talk:86.172.161.242|talk]]) 13:13, 20 November 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-:You'll need to source that, 86.172.151.242.    [[User:Srobak|Srobak]] ([[User talk:Srobak|talk]]) 03:58, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
-== Notability ==
-This article (along with other the articles in its series) does not strike me as being particularly noteworthy. I have already proposed [[fifth grade]] for deletion, and will most likely propose this one for deletion as well should the deletion of fifth grade go through.  In my opinion, these articles would be better dealt with in articles covering primary and secondary education throughout the world. [[User:Ekips|Ekips]] ([[User talk:Ekips|talk]]) 23:11, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
-:Agreed. This article starts with "Tenth grade is the tenth year of school post-kindergarden" and then follows up with "In England and Wales, this is Year 11" and "In Northern Ireland this is called Year 12", what nonsense! Apart from the United States section this article makes little sense, tenth grade as a phrase (and 1st to 12th grades) would rarely be used or understood outside the US. [[Special:Contributions/217.169.38.126|217.169.38.126]] ([[User talk:217.169.38.126|talk]]) 16:14, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
-== Added South Africa ==
-I have added South Africa to this article. My edit may require some editing, and "brushing".[[User:MathSA|MathSA]] ([[User talk:MathSA|talk]]) 15:53, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
-Liyema Morosi (16) of Ithembelihle Comprehensive School pos.1 Mathematics, EMS and Arts [[User:Liyema Morosi|Liyema Morosi]] ([[User talk:Liyema Morosi|talk]]) 18:54, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
-== Proposed merge with [[Year Ten]] ==
-Much of the content about the specific countries is already covered in the tenth grade article. There is no reason why they should be separate, even if they have a separate name. "Year 10" is mentioned in the tenth grade article and that is a more complete article. For not all the countries in the [[tenth grade]] article are called "tenth grade" either. - '''[[User:Champion|<big>C</big><small>HAMPION</small>]]''' <sup>([[User talk:Champion|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Champion|contributions]]) ([[Special:Logs/Champion|logs]]) </sup> 04:16, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
-:The problem with this confusing merge is that the most common use of "Year ten" does not correspond with the most common use of "Tenth grade".  It would be better to redirect each number to a general article where the system is explained.  [[User:Dbfirs|''<span style="font-family:verdana;"><span style="color:blue;">D</span><span style="color:#00ccff;">b</span><span style="color:#44ffcc;">f</span><span style="color:#66ff66;">i</span><span style="color:#44ee44;">r</span><span style="color:#44aa44;">s</span></span>'']] 06:58, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
-== This Article is a confused mess ==
-I first addressed the problem of this article 13 years ago (see above).  It has not got any better and a number of editors have noted the same issue.
-Basically, the article cannot decide if it is talking about students across the world in a school year called "Tenth Grade", or in their 10th Year of school, or of a certain age.  So it jumps back and forth making a confused tangle that isn't really telling the reader anything, except different countries have different education systems and label the years differently.  I don't believe this is the purpose of the article.  And of course much of the comparison is unsourced, or consists of [[WP:SYNTH|original synthesis]].
-I propose a radical re-write.  Ditch the attempt to compare things across the world.  Explain the term as it is used in certain countries.  Exclude countries who do not have such a term.
-This, of course, if not a problem only on this article.  The whole series of "grade" articles repeat the same problem.  --[[User:Escape_Orbit|<span style="color: green;">Escape Orbit</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Escape_Orbit|(Talk)]]</sup> 10:12, 2 October 2020 (UTC)