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Requested move 26 March 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. The previous discussion ended a week ago. If you wish to challenge it, WP:MR is the venue. (closed by non-admin page mover) Calidum 01:18, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hollywood, Los Angeles → Hollywood
Hollywood → Hollywood (disambiguation)

– Previous discussion was a major change made with insufficient notice or discussion. The name Hollywood is a shorthand reference for the Los Angeles neighborhood and for the U.S. film industry headquartered there. The change made earlier should be reversed. --evrik ^(talk) — Preceding undated comment added 19:59, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose there was quite clear consensus for the RM which was open for over 11 days to move given as noted there are over 100 other uses. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:08, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support second move only - Hollywood should redirect to Cinema of the United States Red Slash 20:38, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose — there was a pretty clear consensus for this in the above Requested Move discussion. Paintspot Infez (talk) 21:18, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per previous consensus. Mannysoloway (talk) 23:56, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Previous move was fine. --Coolcaesar (talk) 00:07, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Request Procedural Close There's no rationale presented for a move (a move review would be at MRV, but don't bother with that either); this can be closed. User:力 (powera, π, ν) 02:22, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There would likely be no grounds for a move review and since this doesn't bring up much more than already mentioned I indeed think we can just speedy close this but I won't do that as I'm involved and 1 editor has suggested Cinema of the United States should be primary but this now looks like SNOW. Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:37, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose and SNOW close. OP's reasoning is flawed - adequate notice was given and participation was ample to gain a consensus. In fact, OP's 2nd sentence rightly points out that "Hollywood" has at least two major meanings, which justifies having the disambiguation page at primary. -- Netoholic @ 04:31, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

First studio

I have removed some sources that were not real sources and corrected the text. I have done something similar at Hollywood. I don't know enough about the subject to know: Was Nestor Film Company really the first studio here? That article itself says it was not. I'm also going to mention this on Talk:Hollywood so everyone will see it. Invasive Spices (talk) 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Hollywood Stars of the Pacific Coast League

Really? Nothing about the Hollywood Stars of the PCL baseball league? Why not? 2601:283:8301:820:0:0:0:9BBB (talk) 05:22, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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+== Requested move 26 March 2022 ==
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+:''The following is a closed discussion of a [[Wikipedia:Requested moves|requested move]]. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a [[Wikipedia:move review|move review]] after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. ''
-[[Heteromeles|Toyon]] is a prominent component of the coastal sage scrub plant community, and is a part of drought-adapted chaparral and mixed oak woodland habitats. It is also known by the common names Christmas berry and California '''holly'''. Accordingly, "the abundance of this species in the hills above Los Angeles... gave rise to the name '''Hollywood'''."<ref>Rundel, Philip W; Gustafson, Robert (2005). Introduction to the Plant Life of Southern California: Coast to Foothills. Berkeley and Los Angeles: University of California Press. p. 103. {{ISBN|0-520-24199-1}}.</ref>
-:[[User:Kortoso|Kortoso]] ([[User talk:Kortoso|talk]]) 22:16, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
-:"'Tis the season when the rich green crown of the [[Heteromeles|toyon bush]] is aglow with a mass of red berries. At a time when most members of the chaparral community have donned their winter gray, the toyon--also known variously as Christmas berry or California holly--is the most festive of flora.
-:"This holly-day hike to [[Griffith_Observatory|Mt. Hollywood]], highest peak in Griffith Park, offers fine clear-day views of the Los Angeles basin, framed by the Christmas berry bushes growing alongside the trail. It's believed that masses of this California native shrub growing on the hills above Hollywood gave the community its name.
+The result of the move request was: '''Not moved'''. The previous discussion ended a week ago. If you wish to challenge it, [[WP:MR]] is the venue. {{RMpmc}}  [[User talk:Calidum|<span style="color:#01796F; font-family:serif">'''''Calidum'''''</span>]] 01:18, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
-:"Botanically speaking, the 6-to-25-foot high evergreen shrub is in no sense a holly, but its timely appearance is a delight to the holiday hiker and something to point to when friends from colder climes claim that "there's nothing Christmasy about Southern California." (It might seem inviting to deck your halls with boughs of California holly, but collection is strictly forbidden by state law.)"[http://articles.latimes.com/1986-12-06/news/vw-1626_1_hollywood-trail]
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-:[[User:Kortoso|Kortoso ]] ([[User talk:Kortoso|talk]]) 19:26, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
-::Given that there were already half a dozen places in the USA called Hollywood by the time of the founding of Hollywood, Ca., I think the story about the Chinese man is probably apocryphal. For that matter, there have been places in Ireland and England called Hollywood for centuries.[[User:Ordinary Person|Ordinary Person]] ([[User talk:Ordinary Person|talk]]) 03:27, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
+* [[:Hollywood, Los Angeles]] → {{no redirect|Hollywood}}
-:::The history of Hollywood section needs better sourcing. [[User:BeenAroundAWhile|BeenAroundAWhile]] ([[User talk:BeenAroundAWhile|talk]]) 08:09, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
+* [[:Hollywood]] → {{no redirect|Hollywood (disambiguation)}}
-:Article with another origin https://www.irishcentral.com/travel/hollywood-name-ireland where named by an immigrant from [[Hollywood,_County_Wicklow]]. [[User:Chuunen Baka|Chuunen Baka]]  <small>([[User talk:Chuunen Baka|talk]]  • [[Special:Contributions/Chuunen Baka|contribs]])</small> 14:58, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
+– Previous discussion was a major change made with insufficient notice or discussion.  The name Hollywood is a shorthand reference for the Los Angeles neighborhood and for the U.S. film industry headquartered there. The change made earlier should be reversed. --[[User:evrik|evrik]]&nbsp;<sup>([[User talk:evrik|talk]])</sup> <!--Template:Undated--><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 19:59, 26 March 2022 (UTC)</small>
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+*'''Oppose''' there was quite clear consensus for the RM which was open for over 11 days to move given as noted there are over 100 other uses. '''[[User:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Green">Crouch, Swale</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Blue">talk</span>]])  20:08, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
+*'''Support second move only''' - [[Hollywood]] should redirect to '''[[Cinema of the United States]]''' [[User:Red Slash|<span style="color:#FF4131;">Red</span>]] [[User talk:Red Slash|<b><span style="color:#460121;">Slash</span></b>]] 20:38, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
+*'''Oppose''' —&nbsp;there was a pretty clear consensus for this in the above Requested Move discussion. <small>[[User:Paintspot|Paintspot Infez]] ([[User talk:Paintspot|talk]])</small> 21:18, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
+*'''Oppose''' per previous consensus. [[User:Mannysoloway|Mannysoloway]] ([[User talk:Mannysoloway|talk]]) 23:56, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
+*'''Oppose'''. Previous move was fine. --[[User:Coolcaesar|Coolcaesar]] ([[User talk:Coolcaesar|talk]]) 00:07, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
+* '''Request Procedural Close'''  There's no rationale presented for a move (a move review would be at MRV, but don't bother with that either); this can be closed. [[User:力]] (powera, [[User talk:力|<span style="color:#FA0;font-family:courier">π</span>]], [[Special:Contributions/力|<span style="font-family:courier">ν</span>]]) 02:22, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
+*:There would likely be no grounds for a move review and since this doesn't bring up much more than already mentioned I indeed think we can just speedy close this but I won't do that as I'm involved and 1 editor has suggested Cinema of the United States should be primary but this now looks like SNOW. '''[[User:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Green">Crouch, Swale</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Blue">talk</span>]])  21:37, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
+*'''Oppose''' and SNOW close. OP's reasoning is flawed - adequate notice was given and participation was ample to gain a consensus. In fact, OP's 2nd sentence rightly points out that "Hollywood" has at least two major meanings, which justifies having the disambiguation page at primary. -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 04:31, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
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+I [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Hollywood,_Los_Angeles&diff=1113485055&oldid=1112621217 have] removed some sources that were not real sources and corrected the text. I have [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Cinema_of_the_United_States&diff=1113297370&oldid=1110933342 done] something similar at [[Hollywood]]. I don't know enough about the subject to know: Was [[Nestor Film Company]] really the first studio here? That article itself says it was ''not''. I'm also going to mention this on Talk:Hollywood so everyone will see it. [[User:Invasive Spices|Invasive Spices]] ([[User talk:Invasive Spices#top|talk]]) 1 October 2022 (UTC)
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+== Hollywood Stars of the Pacific Coast League ==
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+Really? Nothing about the Hollywood Stars of the PCL baseball league?  Why not? [[Special:Contributions/2601:283:8301:820:0:0:0:9BBB|2601:283:8301:820:0:0:0:9BBB]] ([[User talk:2601:283:8301:820:0:0:0:9BBB|talk]]) 05:22, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
-== Requested move 9 March 2022 ==
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-* [[:Cinema of the United States]] → {{no redirect|Hollywood}}
-– I believe the current names for these two articles has a few issues: it leaves [[Cinema of the United States]] at not its [[WP:COMMONNAME]], leaves [[Hollywood]] not [[WP:CONSISTENT]] with all the other [[Neighborhoods of Los Angeles]], and does not give the clear [[WP:PRIMARYTOPIC]] of the term "Hollywood" to the movie industry. "Hollywood actor/actress", [[History of Hollywood]], [[Hollywood blacklist]] etc., references to "Hollywood" in reliable sources and on Wikipedia are rarely referring to the actual physical location versus the industry named after it. The current situation leaves lots of room for erroneous links in articles to a specific (though still notable and important) Los Angeles neighborhood, many of which can be seen [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHere&target=Hollywood when looking at the list]. Examples of reliable sources using "Hollywood" without clarifying they mean the industry not the place: [https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/13/sports/football/hollywood-park-sofi-stadium.html][https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/01/books/review/red-carpet-erich-schwartzel.html][https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts-entertainment/2021/10/22/megan-fox-machine-gun-kelly-relationship-cringe/][https://www.forbes.com/sites/stopaward/2022/03/09/how-utah-lawmakers-put-hollywood-over-health-in-final-session-actions/?sh=48bc04421cea][https://www.npr.org/2022/02/21/1081435029/china-hollywood-movies-censorship-erich-schwartzel]. I had difficulty finding articles that use "Hollywood" to refer to the place without clarifying they mean the neighborhood outside of local reports regarding construction and crime, since so much of [https://news.google.com/search?q=hollywood a google search] is about the movie industry. [[User:Cerebral726|Cerebral726]] ([[User talk:Cerebral726|talk]]) 17:09, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
+<span class="wikied-assignment" style="font-size:85%;">— Assignment last updated by [[User:Jessicacariello|Jessicacariello]] ([[User talk:Jessicacariello|talk]]) 14:57, 14 February 2023 (UTC)</span>
-*'''How about having the disambiguation page at the basename?''' (which would be '''support 1st, oppose 2nd'''). One could argue that there's no primary topic between [Hollywood referring to the actual place in LA] vs. [Hollywood as a synonym for the cinema of the United States], so in that case, moving the disambiguation page [[Hollywood (disambiguation)]] to the basename of "Hollywood" might make sense. <small>[[User:Paintspot|Paintspot Infez]] ([[User talk:Paintspot|talk]])</small> 19:15, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
-*:I considered that as a possibility, but I don't think it ultimately addresses 2 of the 3 major issues with how it currently is, assuming that [[Hollywood]] would still need to move to [[Hollywood, Los Angeles]]. Most importantly, I see the industry as the clear primary topic from shear volume of discussion of cinema in the United States (entire fields of study are based around it, magazines named after, etc.) versus the neighborhood that derives almost all of its notability from the metonymic industry .--[[User:Cerebral726|Cerebral726]] ([[User talk:Cerebral726|talk]]) 20:04, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
-*'''Weak support''' 1st, '''oppose''' 2nd per Paintspot, while this or the Cinema may qualify as a broad-concept article [[Hollywood (miniseries)]] gets 40,829 views compared with 52,580[[https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/massviews/?platform=all-access&agent=user&source=wikilinks&range=latest-20&sort=views&direction=1&view=list&target=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_(disambiguation)]] for this one and there are a lot of other uses so the DAB may be the best option. '''[[User:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Green">Crouch, Swale</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Blue">talk</span>]])  09:30, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
-*'''Support''' first, '''oppose''' second. Cinema of the United States is a clearer name for an article than Hollywood. Hollywood is commonly used to refer to both American cinema and the neighborhood in Los Angeles. [[User:Crossover1370|<span style="color:#0000FF">'''''Crossover1370'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Crossover1370|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Crossover1370|contribs]]) 16:08, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
-*'''Support first''', '''oppose second''', and '''move disambig to primary for now''' - Contrary to the hype, the Hollywood, CA-based film industry is not the totality of cinema in the US. I would support the creation of a proper "[[:Hollywood (film industry)]]" article detailing the history and current impact of the industry centered in that city. [[:Cinema of the United States]] needs to be all-inclusive and not use "Hollywood" as a synonym so much. -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 17:53, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
-* '''Neutral first''', '''oppose second'''.  The above comments have sufficiently explained why the second move is a bad idea.  I'm neutral on making [[Hollywood]] a DAB. [[User:力]] (powera, [[User talk:力|<span style="color:#FA0;font-family:courier">π</span>]], [[Special:Contributions/力|<span style="font-family:courier">ν</span>]]) 00:26, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
-* '''I don't understand the proposal. If it means that "Hollywood" should lead the reader to "Cinema of the United States," I FAVOR that''' (because there are so many articles where that is, or SHOULD BE, the case). Thus editors writing "Hollywood" to mean the neighborhood, well, they must then be sure to type [Hollywood|Hollywood, Los Angeles] as they write or rewrite the article, and there might be a section added to [[WP:Manual of Style]] declaring that this must be done. [[User:BeenAroundAWhile|BeenAroundAWhile]] ([[User talk:BeenAroundAWhile|talk]]) 02:41, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
-*'''Support first''' per above. <span style="font-family:'Linux Libertine','Georgia','Times',serif">'''[[User:Peter Ormond|<span style="color:#113680"> Peter Ormond </span>]][[User talk:Peter Ormond|<span style="background:#d9cc6c; color:white; padding:2px;">&#128172;</span>]]'''</span> 06:09, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
-*'''Comment''' The waters are unclear. "Hollywood" is both a residential neighborhood in Los Angeles and short-hand for the film industry produced in the city. The term "Hollywood" is [[WP:COMMONNAME|most commonly used]] in [[WP:RS|sources]] to denote the LA-based film industry, even in an indirect sense, e.g. to films produced and/or shot elsewhere but financed by LA-based companies. It has also come to signify the American ''established'' film industry in general. So, first of all, "Hollywood" is ''not'' synonymous with U.S. cinema. The very definition of "[[Cinema of the United States]]" is erroneous, which explains why it's so [[WP:V| inadequately supported]] by [[WP:RS|sources]] in the article. It would actually be an act of nomenclatural hybris to identify American cinema with "Hollywood." Here, a cursory examination of sources brings up '''American cinema''' as the overwhelmingly preferred term for cinema produced, made, financed or otherwise created in the States. Therefore, we should start by renaming per the [[WP:COMMONNAME|relevant policy]] the wretchedly titled "Cinema of the United States" and move on to clarify what "Hollywood" means in the context of [[cinema]]. -[[User:The Gnome|The Gnome]] ([[User talk:The Gnome|talk]]) 07:31, 18 March 2022 (UTC)m
-*'''Support''' “Hollywood” as a Disambiguation page, as it can mean "[[:Hollywood (film industry)]]"- a euphemism for the entertainment industry, or "[[:Hollywood, Los Angeles]]" - a neighborhood in Los Angeles, or "[[:Hollywood, Florida ]]" - a city in south Florida. [[User:Phatblackmama|Phatblackmama]] ([[User talk:Phatblackmama|talk]]) 14:09, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
-*'''Support''' first, move disambiguation page to base title. [[User:Plantdrew|Plantdrew]] ([[User talk:Plantdrew|talk]]) 16:01, 18 March 2022 (UTC)