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Mahabharatha was also translated to [[Telugu language|Telugu]] somewhere between 11 Century CE and 14 Century CE by [[Kavitrayam]] (Trinity of poets), consisting of [[Nannayya]], [[Tikkana|Thikkana]] and [[Yerrapragada]] (also known as Errana) with title [[Andhra Mahabharatam|ఆంధ్ర మహాభారతం(read Andhra Mahabharatam)]]. [[User:Jyothiprasad.buddha|Jyothiprasad.buddha]] ([[User talk:Jyothiprasad.buddha|talk]]) 16:44, 27 February 2024 (UTC) |
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I think it is time to create an entirely new page dedicated to the [[Historicity of the Mahabharata]]. We have [[Historicity of the Homeric epics]]. Why not such a page for something 8x larger? [[User:ChandlerMinh|ChandlerMinh]] ([[User talk:ChandlerMinh|talk]]) 15:57, 24 September 2021 (UTC) |
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"Change astronomical dating of Mahabharata in compilation of text row that is 5561 BCE by professor Nilesh Nilkanth Oak |
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:{{u|ChandlerMinh}}, its required, but you can create that yourself. Why ask someone else. I wonder why no one has created it till now.--[[Special:Contributions/2409:4073:30A:9DC6:4C47:FBB9:8A80:E55F|2409:4073:30A:9DC6:4C47:FBB9:8A80:E55F]] ([[User talk:2409:4073:30A:9DC6:4C47:FBB9:8A80:E55F|talk]]) 12:07, 16 October 2021 (UTC) |
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astronomical dating of 5561 BCE for Mahabharat text as researched by Nilesh Oak |
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== According to Hindu mythology Mahabharat was composed by rishi ved vyas and written by Shri Ganesha == |
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== James L. Fitzgerald (2018) analysis == |
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According to Hindu mythology Mahabharat was composed by rishi ved vyas and written by Shri Ganesha |
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:From this very article: {{tq|The first section of the Mahābhārata states that it was Ganesha who wrote down the text to Vyasa's dictation, but this is regarded by scholars as a later interpolation to the epic and the "Critical Edition" doesn't include Ganesha at all.}} —[[User:ChandlerMinh|CM]] |
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Recently Fitzgerald proposed a 5 stage development of Mahabharata, explained in Dokter-Mersch (2023): 1) Before 400 BCE, it was an oral composition called "Bharata," prior to invention of writing in India. 2) Between 400 and 50 BCE, when "although writing was invented in this period [...] the composition, preservation, and transmission of this Bharata was still oral. 3) Between 50 BCE and 50 CE, "the creation and promulgation of a written Sanskrit Mahabharata." 4) Between 50 and 150 CE "[t]he transmission [...] continued orally because, non-Sanskritic audience needed explanations in their local language to understand the text," along with a major written addition. 5) Between 150 and 350 CE, the last written addition took place. |
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"Change Dhritarashtra has a hundred sons through Gandhari, all born after the birth of Yudhishthira. to |
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Dhritarashtra has a hundred sons and one daughter Dushala through Gandhari, all born after the birth of Yudhishthira. These are the Kaurava brothers, the eldest being Duryodhana, and the second Dushasana. " |
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It would be fit to incorporate this perspective in the Mahabharata's article.--[[User:Carlos Eduardo Aramayo B.|Carlos Eduardo Aramayo B.]] ([[User talk:Carlos Eduardo Aramayo B.|talk]]) 03:51, 13 July 2024 (UTC) |
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== Reference 51 incorrect for historicity of the Mahabharata == |
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The article says John Keay confirms the Bharata battle to around 950 BCE and then proceeds to link his book India: A History as a reference. This is incorrect. In India, a history, John Keay says there is not enough information to confirm or deny if the battle took place and we therefore cannot place it. Furthermore, he goes on to state that the key lesson is to look at economic and geographical aspects of the story more than the actual story. |
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I would suggest that this reference and claim be removed from that line. [[Special:Contributions/80.5.143.28|80.5.143.28]] ([[User talk:80.5.143.28|talk]]) 14:27, 30 August 2024 (UTC) |
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In the introduction the length of the epos is compared to other religious texts from the India and the Ancient Greece. Why not add that it is 4 times longer than the Bible (OT+NT) and x times longer than the Quran? |
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{{ping|80.5.143.28}} Keay does not reject the historicity of the Mahabharata, as he actually writes: "Yet their core narratives seem to relate to events from a period prior to all but the Rig Veda" (Chapter 3, The Epic Age: c900-520 BC).--[[User:Carlos Eduardo Aramayo B.|Carlos Eduardo Aramayo B.]] ([[User talk:Carlos Eduardo Aramayo B.|talk]]) 14:12, 22 September 2024 (UTC) |
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The Swedish Wiki page contains this fascinating tidbit. Few people can readily grasp the voluminous text by comparing it to the Iliad or other Indian texts. |
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Mahabharatha was also translated to Telugu somewhere between 11 Century CE and 14 Century CE by Kavitrayam (Trinity of poets), consisting of Nannayya, Thikkana and Yerrapragada (also known as Errana) with title ఆంధ్ర మహాభారతం(read Andhra Mahabharatam). Jyothiprasad.buddha (talk) 16:44, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
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"Change astronomical dating of Mahabharata in compilation of text row that is 5561 BCE by professor Nilesh Nilkanth Oak [1] Pranav kantak (talk) 07:54, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
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astronomical dating of 5561 BCE for Mahabharat text as researched by Nilesh Oak [1] Pranav kantak (talk) 08:03, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Charliehdb (talk) 10:07, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
James L. Fitzgerald (2018) analysis
[edit]Recently Fitzgerald proposed a 5 stage development of Mahabharata, explained in Dokter-Mersch (2023): 1) Before 400 BCE, it was an oral composition called "Bharata," prior to invention of writing in India. 2) Between 400 and 50 BCE, when "although writing was invented in this period [...] the composition, preservation, and transmission of this Bharata was still oral. 3) Between 50 BCE and 50 CE, "the creation and promulgation of a written Sanskrit Mahabharata." 4) Between 50 and 150 CE "[t]he transmission [...] continued orally because, non-Sanskritic audience needed explanations in their local language to understand the text," along with a major written addition. 5) Between 150 and 350 CE, the last written addition took place.
Ref: Dokter-Mersch, Sanne, (2023). "Orality in a world of manuscripts..." in: Manuscript and Text Cultures, Vol. 2, Number 2, pp. 206.
It would be fit to incorporate this perspective in the Mahabharata's article.--Carlos Eduardo Aramayo B. (talk) 03:51, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
Reference 51 incorrect for historicity of the Mahabharata
[edit]The article says John Keay confirms the Bharata battle to around 950 BCE and then proceeds to link his book India: A History as a reference. This is incorrect. In India, a history, John Keay says there is not enough information to confirm or deny if the battle took place and we therefore cannot place it. Furthermore, he goes on to state that the key lesson is to look at economic and geographical aspects of the story more than the actual story.
I would suggest that this reference and claim be removed from that line. 80.5.143.28 (talk) 14:27, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
@80.5.143.28: Keay does not reject the historicity of the Mahabharata, as he actually writes: "Yet their core narratives seem to relate to events from a period prior to all but the Rig Veda" (Chapter 3, The Epic Age: c900-520 BC).--Carlos Eduardo Aramayo B. (talk) 14:12, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
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