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Colonel Van Kuijk

Tom Parker was a fictional name. We should probably stop referring to him as that.

2600:6C56:6408:71:E121:8561:3EA0:E630 (talk) 07:30, 20 June 2022 (UTC)anonymous[reply]

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Shouldn't this article be at "Tom Parker (entrepreneur)" since the "colonel" is an (honorary) title? —Joeyconnick (talk) 16:46, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We use the name someone is mostly known for. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 17:26, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We don't, however, normally include titles (honorary or substantial) in article titles even when a person is commonly known with their title. There are some exceptions but I'm not sure this article qualifies for being one of them. I will raise the question on the BLP articles discussion page. Afterwriting (talk) 10:23, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Andreas van Kuijk's first visit to the US: 1926

According to this Wikipedia article Andreas van Kuijk first came to the US in 1927. However, according to the "Holland - Amerika Lijn" passenger list he was sent back from New York to the Netherlands on March 20, 1926. He returned home to Rotterdam on the steamship "Veendam". The address he was registered at was Spanjaardstraat 110, Rotterdam. The entry in the passenger list shows the voyage was paid for by the US government. The passenger lists can be viewed online at the Rotterdam Archives. 2001:1C03:612:D500:1D98:44D8:161D:7AE9 (talk) 14:54, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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-== Pop culture ==
+== Colonel Van Kuijk ==
-I added info about a stage play that has been produced multiple times in the US, that features Parker as a main character, and it was removed. Can anyone explain why? It seems like a more important appearance than a brief aside on a TV show. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Belmontian|Belmontian]] ([[User talk:Belmontian#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Belmontian|contribs]]) 19:32, 13 July 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->[[User:Belmontian|Belmontian]] ([[User talk:Belmontian|talk]]) 19:35, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
+Tom Parker was a fictional name.  We should probably stop referring to him as that.
-== 'Lede too long' tag ==
+[[Special:Contributions/2600:6C56:6408:71:E121:8561:3EA0:E630|2600:6C56:6408:71:E121:8561:3EA0:E630]] ([[User talk:2600:6C56:6408:71:E121:8561:3EA0:E630|talk]]) 07:30, 20 June 2022 (UTC)anonymous
-Currently the lede is about 5% of the length of the article. I regard that as a suitable proportion. It may be that you feel the main article is too long. [[User:Valetude|Valetude]] ([[User talk:Valetude|talk]]) 22:15, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
+== article title ==
-== Would not be able to return to U.S.? ==
+Shouldn't this article be at "[[Tom Parker (entrepreneur)]]" since the "colonel" is an (honorary) title? —[[User:Joeyconnick|Joeyconnick]] ([[User talk:Joeyconnick|talk]]) 16:46, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
-I see mention of problems with citizenship and passport.  Elsewhere, I heard comment that he was concerned about not being able to re-enter U.S. if he left, and is this comment worked in here? [[User:Carlm0404|Carlm0404]] ([[User talk:Carlm0404|talk]]) 20:25, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
+:We use the name someone is mostly known for. --[[User:SergeWoodzing|SergeWoodzing]] ([[User talk:SergeWoodzing|talk]]) 17:26, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
+::We don't, however, normally include titles (honorary or substantial) in article titles even when a person is commonly known with their title. There are some exceptions but I'm not sure this article qualifies for being one of them. I will raise the question on the BLP articles discussion page. [[User:Afterwriting|Afterwriting]] ([[User talk:Afterwriting|talk]]) 10:23, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
+== Andreas van Kuijk's first visit to the US: 1926 ==
-== emigrated illegally ==
-Is this necessary at the opening of the lead? It reads very awkwardly. Many people began in the U.S. as undocumented immigrants. [[User:Pyrrho the Skeptic|Pyrrho the Skeptic]] ([[User talk:Pyrrho the Skeptic|talk]]) 22:17, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
+According to this Wikipedia article Andreas van Kuijk first came to the US in 1927. However, according to the "Holland - Amerika Lijn" passenger list he was sent back from New York to the Netherlands on March 20, 1926. He returned home to Rotterdam on the steamship "Veendam". The address he was registered at was Spanjaardstraat 110, Rotterdam. The entry in the passenger list shows the voyage was paid for by the US government.
-I agree and seriously, this article needs a massive rewrite, and this webpage <ref>https://www.elvis.com.au/presley/a-new-light-on-colonel-tom-parker.shtml</ref> is very helpful in clearing up the misconceptions and myths about the Colonel.
-[[Special:Contributions/220.244.15.201|220.244.15.201]] ([[User talk:220.244.15.201|talk]]) 03:08, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
+The passenger lists can be viewed online at the Rotterdam Archives. [[Special:Contributions/2001:1C03:612:D500:1D98:44D8:161D:7AE9|2001:1C03:612:D500:1D98:44D8:161D:7AE9]] ([[User talk:2001:1C03:612:D500:1D98:44D8:161D:7AE9|talk]]) 14:54, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
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-== Colonel Van Kuijk ==
-Tom Parker was a fictional name.  We should probably stop referring to him as that.
-[[Special:Contributions/2600:6C56:6408:71:E121:8561:3EA0:E630|2600:6C56:6408:71:E121:8561:3EA0:E630]] ([[User talk:2600:6C56:6408:71:E121:8561:3EA0:E630|talk]]) 07:30, 20 June 2022 (UTC)anonymous