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A barnstar for you!

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	Good work Rushabh.dev (talk) 01:37, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! --Diannaa (talk) 01:53, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edits to Briarcrest Christian School

Hello, thank you for your message regarding the edits made to the Briarcrest Christian School page. I am new to editing on Wikipedia, so your guidance was very helpful and instructive. I am primarily trying to edit some of the objective information on the page (particularly in the school template - enrollment and principal sections are no longer accurate.) I would also like to add information related to recent academic offerings and athletics (again, objective information). It appears my submission was removed and the page reverted back to its previous content. What is the best way to ensure this objective information is added? Rmstonebcs (talk) 14:09, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, one problem is that some of the content you added is identical to material found on the school's website, here. Another problem is you removed properly sourced negative information. You also appear to have a conflict of interest. Editing the article about your own organisation is strongly discouraged, as it is difficult to maintain the required neutral point of view. According to our terms of use, paid editors and people editing on behalf of their employer are required to disclose their conflict of interest by posting a notice on their user page or talk page. Please read the information about conflict of interest on your user talk page. --Diannaa (talk) 15:18, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Hennagin

Hi Diannaa. Could you take a look at this edit made to Michael Hennagin? I've already undone the edit per WP:NOTCV, but it also kind of looks like it could've been possibly copied directly from "MacMillan, Duncan; The Piano Music of Michael Hennagin: An Introductory Examination Dissertation, University of Oklahoma, 1987 (Appendix F)". Is there anyway to check to see whether this kind of thing is a copyvio when no url is provided for the source? I tried Googling it since sometimes dissertations end up becoming books or otherwise are published online, but came up empty. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:04, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Marchjuly, I couldn't find a way to access the document either. But I'm not sure we need to worry about copy vio, as it's a list of compositions. Diannaa (talk) 12:20, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for looking at this Diannaa. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:02, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Two Witnesses Article

Hello, I see you undid a section I added on the two witnesses as contemporaries. I am the author of the cited dissertation. I was not aware that I had quoted the document so closely. I apologize. I have actually rewritten that section, and I have tried to alter the wording significantly, so that it is not a quotation or plagarization. I will add it in and let you be the judge. Malachirobertson (talk) 13:47, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please review the our convlict of interest guideline, particularly the section WP:CITESELF. Thanks, --Diannaa (talk) 13:57, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you pointing this out. I was aware of this and have tried not to cite my work specifically and to not even put it in the references section, but rather highlight the works of others that I found helpful in my own study of the history of the interpretation of the two witnesses. Malachirobertson (talk) 14:00, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have had to remove a subsequent addition as it is still too close to the source document.--Diannaa (talk) 23:32, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which addition did you remove? Curious. Malachirobertson (talk) 00:00, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think I see. It was the section on the witnesses as contemporaries. Any suggestions on how I can make it less like the source, so that this section is not absent from the article? Malachirobertson (talk) 00:08, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The edit was flagged by the CopyPatrol system. It might help you to view what was found by the detection service in the most recent edit. The report is here. You can check the results from Turnitin by viewing the iThenticate report. In order to review the iThenticate report you will have to first log in to the CopyPatrol system (upper right corner of the page). You will be asked to provide authorization at Meta for access to your account.

Next, click on the link to the iThenticate report, so that you can see what was found by the detection service. I think it is at this point you are asked to agree to the terms of use of the Turnitin people, who have kindly donated the use of this tool to Wikipedia. The overlapping content will be highlighted (the iThenticate report may take a while to load).

The content you add should not include any wording from the source material. Summarize rather than paraphrase, and don't try to include every single detail. This will typically result in the new version being much shorter than the source document. It also helps to have more than one source to draw from. Gotta go, the battery is dying on my laptop so I have to log off now. Diannaa (talk) 00:55, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Swami Harshananda

Thank you for dealing with the copyvio revdel on this article. The author has immediately replaced the offending passage - I've marked it again for deletion but strongly suspect she'll just keep putting it back. At what point does page protection come into play? Ingratis (talk) 08:11, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The editor's most recent post indicates that they do not yet understand how copyright works. So I've added another message to their talk page. Typically if there's just one person I would do a block before page protection. I will watch the article for a while. -- Diannaa (talk) 11:55, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much! Ingratis (talk) 12:27, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How to handle long quotes

I recently noticed a proliferation of long passages presented as quotes. While quotation and attribution is considered an acceptable way of presenting copyrighted material, the Wikipedia essay wp:quotations offers some guidance. That guidance has two defects — it's an essay so does not have the force of policy, and it is (understandably) short on specific guidance as to acceptable length.

I've accepted a number of such situations some of which are quite short and therefore in my opinion quite appropriate. Others are longer than I would like but I've accepted them. However this one strikes me as a bit too long (392 words): 1963 Nobel Prize in Literature: Difference between revisions

What are your thoughts on how this should be handled?

As an aside, while this one is not a specific example, I've seen in increased usage of long passages in the quote parameter within a reference. I'm a big fan of using exact passages to support a point made in my own words, but I generally try to excerpt a short a passage as possible. You have any thoughts on whether copyrighted text used in the quote parameter of a reference ought to be handled differently than a quote inserted into the main text of an article? S Philbrick (Talk) 13:47, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's true that there's not a lot of specific guidance as to length or number of quotes whether in the article itself or embedded in the citations. Adding quotes to citations seems to be gaining in popularity, too. The guideline Wikipedia:Non-free content#Text says "Extensive quotation of copyrighted text is prohibited" but it doesn't specify how much is too much or how many quotes are too many. So it's a judgement call, both within the article and within the citations.

Within an article, I usually remove a quote if it's more than one or two sentences, especially if the content could readily be rewritten. Edit summary is typically "remove quotation; there's no reason why original prose could not be prepared". Sometimes I will trim for length if the editor has added an overlong quote from a movie review or book review. If an editor has added an unenlightening adspeak quote from a press release I will typically remove it. Other cases where the article shows an overuse of quotations throughout where the article would kinda be destroyed if I removed it all, I will tag for {{Over-quotation}} and let the interested editors decide what to do. I sometimes use the same tag for over-quotation within citations as well.

Regarding quotations within citations: if the subject matter is controversial or the sources are not readily accessible, I will leave it alone. Quotes from readily available web content on material that is not controversial or not likely to be challenged are good candidates for removal, especially if the amount and number and length of quotations is out of proportion to the length of the article. Regarding the Nobel Prize speech, my opinion is that the quotation is too long and not very enlightening, and I would likely remove it and suggest the editor should offer an external link instead. I might try trimming it to a much shorter excerpt if I had the time and thought I could do so in an effective way. Diannaa (talk) 14:34, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the indepth answer. S Philbrick (Talk) 18:14, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I use quotations in a limited way to more accurately convey some unique insight from the source that is difficult to paraphrase, and especially for critical assessment of books, movies and the like. My personal rule of thumb is that one or two sentences are fine, three sentences may be OK, and four sentences might be justified in unusual circumstances. I also take into consideration the length of the source. I would never use four sentences from a brief newspaper article, but may occasionally use four sentences from a book or a lengthy journal article.

But my main reason for coming by is to thank you, Diannaa, for all of your outstanding work on copyright issues over the years. I deeply appreciate your expertise. Cullen328 (talk) 20:49, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your kind remarks Cullen328, and for adding another perspective on the quotations issue. Diannaa (talk) 20:54, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've noticed a slight increase in footquote reports at CopyPatrol and wonder sometimes "How many are too many quotes" or "How long is too long". I'm not always comfortable at making judgement calls, but leaving the report open and with that leaving more work for others seems also not ideal. Nobody (talk) 14:51, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't like doing it either; I never know what's going to provoke someone into getting nasty about it. Most times there's no response or at worst they revert me. But hopefully they learn something too. Diannaa (talk) 14:59, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Revdel request - Hurricane Debby

Hi - there are a couple of edits to this page with offensive Edit Summaries - [1] and [2] - would you be willing to remove them? Thanks! Dorsetonian (talk) 20:45, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done Thanks for the suggestion. Diannaa (talk) 20:48, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Visa requirements for Palestinian citizens

Hi Diannaa ,

Thank you very much for your message it was really insightful.

I need your help in learning how to update the Visa requirements for Palestinian citizens map along with colors and backgrounds when you edit this country can be entered as e-visa or the visa isn't required.

Thanks

Husam.bell (talk) 11:29, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I don't know how to do the map.Diannaa (talk) 12:28, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Salò, or the 120 Days of Sodom

Hello Diannaa. I want to propose this to you; restore my edit to the article for at least a few hours. I will fix it to avoid plagiarism and cite even the source you mentioned. If you and your friends are not sure, please look at my edit history and you will see that my edits on the Pablo Escobar article are far from even resembling that page you showed me before. If you have any questions, please reply to me. Regards. JeanMercier90 (talk) 17:15, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I will send you the deleted content via email. Diannaa (talk) 19:45, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

II just checked my email. There's nothing, not even in spam. JeanMercier90 (talk) 23:04, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have sent it again. Diannaa (talk) 02:00, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing. Please send to the same but change hotmail by gmail. Thanks. JeanMercier90 (talk) 15:40, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am not able to select the destination of my email; it comes from the Wikipedia email system. Check your preferences and see what email address you have selected to receive mail. Diannaa (talk) 19:49, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Problematic edit comment

Hi Diannaa, I'd suggest you revision-delete [3] or at least its edit comment. The content seems harmless enough (if not constructive), but the comment is offensive. Or if I should rather report this elsewhere, please let me know. Gawaon (talk) 08:56, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Thank you for reporting this. Diannaa (talk) 13:16, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bob Kerrey

Hey, I didn’t copy word for word everything in the sources, I made quite a lot of changings to the wording and summarised info all aligning, per the sources. The only thing I really copied mostly entirely was the witness’s quotes, which I could summarise. If anything I made the section more informative. We’re editors and we edit based on what the sources say and its credibility. Is he guilty or not, is up to the readers. But what I could say is he was confirmed and exposed for lying about killing 21 Viet Cong in his reports, which later was actually identified as dozens of women and children which won him the Bronze Star. For 32 years he kept quiet until journalists found out about the incident. Now that says a lot. Now Whether his complicity or not, the Vietnamese side of the story and its witnesses statements is equally important. I don’t think you should remove it outright. OutsidersInsight (talk) 15:39, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My main purpose in visiting the article was to do the copyright cleanup. I found you have copied content (other than the direct quotations) from at least three of your sources so I took all that ourr. There were some quotes and left some of them in. But I removed some that were not directly related to the subject of the article, as to leave them in place seemed inappropriate per our policy WP:BLP which helps us to protect the rights of living people. Diannaa (talk) 04:19, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User undid all my contributions

The user user:CurryTime7-24 keeps removing all my contributions and first I tried not to take it personally but now I'm feeling hounded. I added contributions to some articles, added the sources and he removed all of my edits simply because he didn't like the sourced link. He suggested IMSLP, which doesn't even have information about the text I added. Now it's a back and forth of him removing my entire contributions, regardless of what's inside. Right now he's removing the one I had added after you told me to review it, which I did. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psycho_(1960_film) He's moved onto every other revision I made and it's turning into an editing war. Please advise. John40332 (talk) 14:45, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like all the additions use www.sheetmusicx.com as a citation. Do you have any assocuation with that website? --Diannaa (talk) 15:32, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't, they're the only publisher releasing those works, that's why information about those pieces is so scarce. John40332 (talk) 15:35, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The website does not appear to be the official publisher for any of these scores. For sure they are not the official publishers for the Herrmann and Shostakovich works that John40322 added the link to. The company that they cite to also appears to be brand new. I haven't looked through all of its catalog, but a lot of its scores do not appear to even be available for sale until next year. None of these works are obscure. So it's odd that this editor chooses to cite a very obscure music publisher.

Some of this user's edits are also perhaps unintentionally misleading. This edit at Tahiti Trot suggested that the site they linked to was the first to publish the original score and parts. This would be incorrect, as previously existing sources in the article already confirm. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 16:11, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The "obscure" publisher has been in business for over a decade and is a respectable publisher

https://daniels-orchestral.com/other-resources/publishers/s/

Their publishings go back to 2010 https://recherche-collection-search.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/Home/Search?q=STRAUSS&num=25&start=0&enviro=prod&DateBucket=2010-2019%7C2010&DataSource=Library

The website registration shows 2010 in fact https://lookup.icann.org/en/lookup

I don't know why you specifically have to be convinced of it in order for edits to stick, but I'm done even trying, just because you don't know something doesn't mean it's fake or dubious, it's people like you that make editing on Wikipedia so unpleasant. John40332 (talk) 16:17, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You need to discuss this somewhere else please. Diannaa (talk) 16:28, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The user:CurryTime7-24 continues harassing me and WP:HOUNDING, if I edit 4 articles he goes right there to undo what I edit, regardless of the content, you just have to see his history where he goes around reverting whatever I touch. Now he is trying to report me as a bot, when I'm clearly not one. At this point I'd like to know if there's a way to stop him from interacting with my edits, or some temporary block on him? He's making editing on Wikipedia very unfriendly and acts like he owns it WP:OWN. I cited proper sources in my edits, I don't know why he's been targeting me but it's exhausting. John40332 (talk) 09:44, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is already being discussed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Classical music and Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism. Sorry but I don't have time to get involved. It's an edit war orver the reliability of a particular website, and I don't have time to get into that.--Diannaa (talk) 13:37, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Backendgaming sockpuppets

Hi Diannaa, I am asking for your opinion on this subject because you were an admin that dealt with the SPI case against Backendgaming. Since the last recorded incidents from 2018, I noticed there were further potential sockpuppet accounts made since then, including the following:

All of which display a notable overlap in edit style and choice of topic with Backendgaming. Although some have not been used recently, and the others have been recently blocked for personal attacks against other editors, my question is whether you think it is worth doing a checkuser on these accounts as sockpuppets of Backendgaming? If identified as socks, it would help in watching over articles that tends to be targeted, help identify further socks as Backendgaming remains actively editing, and may help to undo a lot the disruptive edits already made. Any thoughts on this are appreciated. Thanks. 37.0.81.237 (talk) 10:32, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I don't know mich about this topic. Please go to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Backendgaming to file your report. Thanks, Diannaa (talk) 11:52, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikizilla; copyright or not?

Hi Diannaa! Happy almost new year :) I see that you removed and revdeleted content at Shin Godzilla (character) from Wikizilla stating that it wasn't compatible and then later on at Tiamat (Godzilla) declined the G12 and attributed it. Do you think it's ultimately compatible? I see that it's been removed and revdelled at Kong (Monsterverse) additionally, and I just reverted a removal at User:GojiraFan1954/sandbox/Goro Maki myself, so it seems like we're all off-base and I thought I'd get another opinion. Sennecaster (Chat) 04:58, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Sennecaster, that's a good question. Their copyright page is hard to find, so I bookmarked it. Here it is. Diannaa (talk) 09:41, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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