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== Grammar of Reception section ==
==Article start==
Got this article made. I think I was vaguely skimpy on the details of the "gender confusion" bit, so if anyone ''dares'' to delve into that ... ;) [[User:Yar Kramer|Yar Kramer]] 08:21, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
:Hahaha nice, I liked that little barb about all those people who can't get the facts straight. -[[User:RTL|RTL]] 16 May 2005 (GMT)
::Yeah, I found a [http://www.lotusreaver.com/articles/index.php?section=a_line_too_fine web page] once listing a buncha different characters from various video games who were gender-confusing (it included Bridget and Justice), and there was a friend of the author who was prone to saying "NO! Bridget's a girl! LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!"
::Furthermore, I'm fond of recounting to people who don't know about Guilty Gear that "in GameSpy's 'Top 10 hottest video game chicks' survey, Bridget came in 17th, despite the fact that technically, ''he'' doesn't qualify." :D [[User:Yar Kramer|Yar Kramer]] 16:17, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
:::Everybody's gay for Bridget! But really, among erotic manga and art fans Bridget has been called "The Yaoi Gateway Drug" since works involving him has caused otherwise heterosexual male fans interested in yaoi. Also, there's the fact that since he just doesn't fit in other categories of erotica, material involving him has been placed in it's own unique category. Hell, on the Burichan imageboard, there is an entire sub-board dedicated to him. --[[User:Paul Soth|Paul Soth]] 00:38, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
::::XD XD XD
::::Actually, I'm pretty sure BuriChan was created specifically for Bridget (hence the name). But 5chan also had a Bridget board of its own, yeah. [[User:Yar Kramer|Yar Kramer]] 05:21, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

My understanding was that Bridget had a sister who was prophesized to be powerful, and the world could not know that she had a twin brother, thus he was dressed up to hide this. The reason he's out hunting bounties is to prove to his parents that he is a worthwhile child as well.
:Um, no, everywhere I've looked says the same as it says here: Bridget has an identical twin ''brother'', and the reason for his disguise as a girl is that twin boys is bad luck. I've never heard anything about a "sister prophesized to be powerful", where'd you hear that? --[[User:Yar Kramer|Yar Kramer]] 17:36, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
::Yeah. Yar's right on this one. That's what it says in every official source, and if I'm not mistaken, the beginning text of his story mode. [[User:Digital Watches|Digital Watches]] 13:38, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
==Notability==
I think there's very little doubt about the notability of this article (although no other Guilty Gear character would merit a full article). Unfortunately, this is a cultural literacy issue -- "like Bridget from Guilty Gear" is used as a constant euphemism for this type of person or character in many geek communities. More mention of cultural significance, perhaps backed up by a few examples of allusions in geek-culture magazine articles, could back up notability and indicate why exactly people would be searching Wikipedia for information about him/her. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Yunatwilight|Yunatwilight]] ([[User talk:Yunatwilight|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Yunatwilight|contribs]]) 12:22, 21 July 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

==Bias==

"Due to his ''adorable'' appearance..."

Surely that's an opinion. I'm editting out the bias in this article.

==Just wondering==
This wiki says that in all three endings, Bridget joins the Jellyfish Pirates. I don't recall ever reading something like this in his scenario. Does anyone have evidence for this? Thank you in advance. :-)
Edit: I vaguely remember when Dizzy gave him a pirate hat, but I don't remember anyone asking him to join them.

:I don't think it's in all three endings, but yeah, come to think of it, I don't think it's particularly accurate. --[[User:Yar Kramer|Yar Kramer]] 02:50, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

== Bridget and That Man ==

I heard a rumor recently that Bridget has the essence of Ano Otoko inside him (or something to that effect). Any evidence in-game to back that up? [[User:The S|The S]]

:None whatsoever. I know ''Axl'' has some kinda "parallel existence" with ''Raven'', but, nothing on Bridget. --[[User:Yar Kramer|Yar Kramer]] 02:40, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

== Original gender ==

I was told somewhere (on the internet) that Bridget was in fact a girl named Yo-yo in an early pre-release version of the game who had the same voice and character design, but the sex was changed to male to make the story surrounding the character more interesting
Can anyone shed some light on this? --[[User:Burbster|Burbster]] 02:11, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
:I never heard of this, and I was into Guilty Gear back when X was out. Sounds like your friend is making stuff up. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 02:20, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
:: Hahaha, wasn't a friend, just something on a video game forum. I doubted it myself. [[User:Burbster|Burbster]] 18:51, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
::: I'd give them the benafit of the doubt and make a snide comment about [[Lilith Aensland#Trivia|Lilith]], who has the same VA as Bridget, but I don't think there ''is'' much doubt. --[[User:Yar Kramer|Yar Kramer]] 04:07, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
::::Actually, according to the interview with Daisuke Ishiwatari in the Guilty Gear XX artbook, the rumor checks out:

:::::(27)---The character Bridget, introduced in "Guilty Gear XX," looks like a girl but is actually a boy, right? What was your intention in deciding on creating this kind of character?

:::::Ishiwatari: The creation of Bridget as a boy happened at the very last second; during development I was drawing him as purely a girl. It's just that when there is a need to give a worldly backbone (to the game), in order for me to try to not forget each character, and in order to revive the character, I give them my very heart. As a result, the creation of Bridget as actually a boy instead of a girl was because I thought he could become my alter ego. Well, if there was a need for it the reverse-- a girl that looks like a boy-- that would be okay too, but it doesn't look pretty game-wise. It's also somewhat calculated (laughs)...

::::The full interview can be found here: [https://webspace.utexas.edu/chengmh1/Ishiwatari_Daisuke_Interview_English.html][[User:68.100.222.184|68.100.222.184]] 08:18, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

== Roger ==

I was wondering if there was anything to back up roger being a robot? If not wouldent that be speculation?--[[User:Lucky hat|Lucky hat]] 03:00, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

== Ky's "bag of money" ==

Didn't Ky give Bridget a list of bounties that did exist for him to go and catch? This would make sense, as he could clearly see that Bridget was strong enough to capture people like Millia and Baiken. It would seem silly for Ky to just hand him a sack of cash, even if he is a real nice guy. (And besides, what good are Euros in England? Unless GGXX is foreshadowing a future where the UK accepts the Euro... eep! NB: I'm just kidding about that last part.)
:No, the actual ''list'' was given to him (and Jam) by [[I-No]]. &mdash;[[User:Yar Kramer|Yar Kramer]] 00:43, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
::I know, but what I meant was, didn't Ky give Bridget a genuine list? Again, I just find that more realistic.
:::Yes, at the end of Bridget's story, he did.--[[User:68.100.222.184|68.100.222.184]] 08:20, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

== Music Reference? ==

The opening bars of "Simple Life" are nearly identical in all but tempo to the opening of Early Man's "War Eagle," which was released in 2005 (i.e. well after GGXX). Is this just a coincidence, were they both inspired by an earlier song, or might Early Man have decided to give the game a nod, for whatever reason? [[User:70.110.247.129|70.110.247.129]] 06:04, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
*"Simple Life" always reminded me of [[Journey (band)|Journey]], but none of this can be anything more than speculation for now. [[User:JuJube|JuJube]] 03:59, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

== Trivia ==
Recently I added a trivia about the connection between Bridget Verdant of Mew Mew power and Bridget's Verdant named stage. Can I ask, why it has been deleted?
[[User:Eddie303|Eddie303]] 22:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
*Because it's a coincidence. [[User:JuJube|JuJube]] 23:08, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

== something's not right ==

ok I never played the game but how is Bridget a LGBT video game character. at first I thought he was a lesbian but I learned that he was a boy. so isn't he more of a cross-dresser because he not gay or bi and he can't be a lesbian or a transexual. well what are your thoughts [[User:67.164.35.55|67.164.35.55]] 03:21, 24 April 2007 (UTC) JoJo
*The category is false and was removed. My apologies for missing it. :/ Bridget's not a [[transgender]] because he identifies as a boy. Sounds like more of the "work" from those "Everyone's gay for Bridget" morons. [[User:JuJube|JuJube]] 03:26, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Just as a note, transvestism/cross-dressing is part of the LGBT Studies project, so the article is within their scope. It's just the "transgendered" category that's wrong.[[User:ShaleZero|ShaleZero]] 12:49, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Bridget is assigned female at birth, but identifies as male. Does that not make him a [[transman]]? [[Special:Contributions/73.168.193.29|73.168.193.29]] ([[User talk:73.168.193.29|talk]]) 22:52, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

==Pronouns==
There seemed to be alot of swapping between he and she and his and hers during this article. I have changed all of the pronouns to their masculine form.[[User:Catldr24|Catldr24]] 03:25, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh, actually, the majority were kinda done by me but errors I did he fixed. Thansk mate [[User:MightyKombat|MightyKombat]] 04:20, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
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== No Mention of Imageboard relevence? ==

Given that the Bridget meme thing is probably the #1 reason people look at this article, I think it's strange that there isn't any mention of it. --[[User:Lollerkeet|Lollerkeet]] 10:16, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
:That doesn't matter. We don't have articles about [[Sol Badguy]] because of some stupid homophobic meme. [[User:JuJube|JuJube]] 10:24, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
::Don't you think it's assuming bad faith to say it's homophobic? I think "everyone's gay for bridget" is pretty funny. --[[User:Kinst|Kinst]] ([[User talk:Kinst|talk]]) 23:54, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
:::[[WP:AGF]] applies to editors, not content. [[User:JuJube|JuJube]] ([[User talk:JuJube|talk]]) 06:03, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

The lack of any "gay for bridget" mention is still a notable omission of this article. The silence is deafening, and must be rectified [[User:Roidroid|Roidroid]] ([[User talk:Roidroid|talk]]) 15:53, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

== LGBT? ==

Okay, so there's a hidden note not to add [[:Category:Fictional transgendered people]] to the article. Right next to [[:Category:Transgender people and behavior]]. The ''character'' isn't people, and isn't behavior, and (as is stated in the article) isn't transgender. Help?

Further confusion: the [[:Category:LGBT video game characters]] means that Bridget is one of (lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender). Since the article specifically states not the last, but has no information on Bridget's sexuality, I'm confused as to the category. -- <span style="background: #EECCFF;">[[User:SatyrTN|SatyrTN]] <small>([[User talk:SatyrTN|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/SatyrTN|contribs]])</small></span> 05:29, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
:I'm removing them. I've had enough of this chicanery. [[User:JuJube|JuJube]] ([[User talk:JuJube|talk]]) 06:14, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

== Should this get merged? ==

It's kinda been bugging me as something that might get the axe...the sole discussion about the character is the fact that he's a crossdresser. But the problem is there isn't so much discussion as there is resources stating it as a fact. A list entry might be a better idea until something significant exploring the character is introduced. Thoughts?--[[User:Kung Fu Man|Kung Fu Man]] ([[User talk:Kung Fu Man|talk]]) 17:25, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
:k, nevermind that then.--[[User:Kung Fu Man|Kung Fu Man]] ([[User talk:Kung Fu Man|talk]]) 23:02, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

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== Dealing with Vandalism ==

Alright this is well and truly out of hand. Can I get literally anyone with authority to just come in here and lock this page until the transphobes get tired of yelling? [[User:Comrade pem|Comrade pem]] ([[User talk:Comrade pem|talk]]) 20:46, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
:I've already requested page protection, just waiting on an administrator to handle the request. [[User:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#066293;">'''Schazjmd'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#738276;">''(talk)''</span>]] 20:50, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
::Thanks! I didn't see your reply until I'd already submitted one, I withdrew my duplicate. [[User:Comrade pem|Comrade pem]] ([[User talk:Comrade pem|talk]]) 21:12, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
:I was one of the users reverting the vandalism, thanks for doing this properly (I wasn't sure how), sorry for the spam! [[User:FriendRem|FriendRem]] ([[User talk:FriendRem|talk]]) 22:37, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

To be explicit for anyone coming to find out what's going on in the future, Bridget's arcade mode plot in Guilty Gear Strive (in which she was just added as a character) explicitly covers Bridget's exploration of gender identity, culminating in an explicit declaration of femininity in both Japanese and English: https://www.dropbox.com/s/i6owj5p86kqhed7/bgt-en-jp-comp.mp3?dl=0
*Japanese: 「女の子ですから」 (onnanoko desu kara, translates as "I am a girl/young woman")
*English: "I'm a girl!" <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2001:569:FDE4:CA00:F416:FB4B:4C26:A212|2001:569:FDE4:CA00:F416:FB4B:4C26:A212]] ([[User talk:2001:569:FDE4:CA00:F416:FB4B:4C26:A212#top|talk]]) 20:53, 8 August 2022 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Funny that everyone keeps ignoring the scene from the new footage where he also calls himself a boy. https://i.imgur.com/SUoBIua.jpeg. It's always been a running gag that he corrects people whenever they call him a girl but eventually accept it and say he's a girl because no one listens. [[Special:Contributions/2601:407:C701:4D60:8D2A:EE7C:8090:AC10|2601:407:C701:4D60:8D2A:EE7C:8090:AC10]] ([[User talk:2601:407:C701:4D60:8D2A:EE7C:8090:AC10|talk]]) 23:57, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
::Except the line where she declares herself a boy happens much earlier in the story, there are several lines after that of her questioning her identity and if she's really happy, and the "I'm a girl"! declaration is literally the final thing she says before it cuts to credits, showing that was her arc in the game.
::It's pretty explicit coming to terms with her gender identity was part of her arc in the story. [[User:DemonRin|DemonRin]] ([[User talk:DemonRin|talk]]) 02:05, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

::It's long since established that the character is male, even being quoted as being such by creator Daisuke Ishiwatari in this very article. honestly the activist vandalism I'm seeing here is pretty disheartening. <ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridget_(Guilty_Gear)#Concept_and_design</ref> <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2601:2C7:681:2360:E91C:92F1:3FBE:710|2601:2C7:681:2360:E91C:92F1:3FBE:710]] ([[User talk:2601:2C7:681:2360:E91C:92F1:3FBE:710#top|talk]]) 12:06, 9 August 2022 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:::And it's been changed in the most recent game. It dosen't matter if it's been long established, get over it. The new change has been decided to be included by the admins. So stop vandalizing the page. [[User:Bigbossbalrog|Bigbossbalrog]] ([[User talk:Bigbossbalrog|talk]]) 16:13, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
::::It hasn't. The cited material is in the Flawed/"Heart Lose" ending, where Bridget's assertions that he is male are constantly denied (as they have been throughout the series -- his entire story in one game was his trying to prove his masculinity, which is cited on the page, itself) and he succumbs to what is essentially a lifetime of conditioning and pressure, from his home village's backwards beliefs, all the way up to the presumably well-intentioned but frankly disheartening pressuring of Goldlewis and blind encouragement from Ky.
::::If anything, I personally think it is more of an affront to transgender individuals that what is being celebrated as establishing oneself as Trans is embraced despite it being founded upon how the character's male identity has been suppressed since their birth, even up to this point in the series' chronology. There's a very real connotation to [[Child_grooming|grooming]] here that is being accepted as normal and associated with the transgender community over this, and it's not okay. The LGBT community already has to deal with enough accusations about grooming for it to be conflated with it over a fictional character's non-canon arcade mode endings.
::::And for the record, that includes the Flawless ending, too. There's a handful of instances where Arcade Mode endings resembled canon, but the overwhelming majority of them are one-offs with no lasting changes or developments for the character. [[User:WrappedInBread|WrappedInBread]] ([[User talk:WrappedInBread|talk]]) 00:24, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
:::::Bringing up grooming shows how much of a bigot you are. A bigot with no power, because the admins are siding with us! Bridget is trans, your going to have to deal with it. It's supported in both localizations, so shut up. [[User:Bigbossbalrog|Bigbossbalrog]] ([[User talk:Bigbossbalrog|talk]]) 01:17, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
::::::[[User:WrappedInBread]] did not ever imply people being groomed into a certain gender identity occurs in real life. Neither did they imply there was any attempt to do so. Neither did they use some bad faith redefinition of the term "grooming". The issue they had here is that '''Bridget specifically''' was '''literally''' groomed into identifying as a girl. She didn't realise their identity by herself, it was forced upon her. There is no ambiguity about this in the story. And it's being presented as a positive, which basically turns Bridget's backstory into [[David Reimer]] apologia. Of course, as much as I disagree with this writing choice, the page should still refer to Bridget as a "her". Them's the canon, even if it's unrealistic.
::::::Anyways, I recommend reading through [[Wikipedia:CIV|Wikipedia's guidelines on civility]]. If you haven't the time, please just remember to [[Wikipedia:AGF|assume good faith]].<ref>Don't follow my example here. I'm clearly violating [[WP:ATAOGF]].</ref> And know that the admins do not take sides. If they do, please remind them that they shouldn't. If they still do, post about it on the [[Wikipedia:ANI|administrators' notice board]].
::::::[[User:Dieknon|Dieknon]] ([[User talk:Dieknon|talk]]) 17:47, 11 August 2022 (UTC) [[User:Dieknon|Dieknon]]
:::::::That's not entirely true, Bridget was well aware that she was male. Her parents clearly didn't hide what they did from her, just from the village, and she had the opportunity to turn it down eventually, since by the time of Strive she had already disproven the village's superstitions. That's not really like the David Reimer case at all (let alone that there was no sexual abuse going on, which is an underdiscussed aspect of the Reimer case which is pivotal to its horror). [[Special:Contributions/165.235.53.254|165.235.53.254]] ([[User talk:165.235.53.254|talk]]) 18:57, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

The Arcade Mode has several endings, with the flawless ending having him say he wants to be like Ky. Bridget wants to settle things with his home and come out to them as a boy, despite the potential consequences of that. This makes much more sense with his lore. Him saying he is a girl is effectively the bad ending to the Arcade Mode, giving in to being thought of as a girl. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/24.115.207.219|24.115.207.219]] ([[User talk:24.115.207.219#top|talk]]) 13:50, 9 August 2022 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:The Arcade Mode having separate endings and stating that Bridget wants to "be like Ky" is true, but there's absolutely no evidence that it means she wants to come out to them as a boy. Her family already knew she was male and, as the game makes clear, she already returned to the village and disproved the curse. The idea that she hasn't "come out" as a boy to them yet is unfounded. Furthermore, there's no reason to assume that the various endings are mutually contradictory; they can fit well together, and the final conversation with Ky about coming out and being true to yourself makes just as much sense if Bridget is trans. [[Special:Contributions/165.235.53.254|165.235.53.254]] ([[User talk:165.235.53.254|talk]]) 15:11, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
:: Do you not understand how '''branching''' storylines work in video games? The whole point is that they are mutually exclusive, and there is zero indication in the canonical storyline, which depends on a flawless playthrough, that this character's male gender identity or his resolve to be recognised as the gender he identified as, rather than the one he was assigned at birth (ironic, innit?) has changed. Contrary to what the person who requested protection has claimed, this has nothing to do with transphobia, or bigotry. It's a simple matter of people editing based on a datamined voiceline coupled with an online game of Chinese whispers, versus people who have actually played through the game, who are correctly reverting the former's edits as they directly and explicitly contradict the source material. It's also pretty telling that the first editor to change all pronouns in this article - ''before'' the DLC was even out! - was not a contributor to the Video games WikiProject or articles regarding the subject matter beforehand, but I digress. [[Special:Contributions/2804:18:1068:561C:898:3742:22FB:AA61|2804:18:1068:561C:898:3742:22FB:AA61]] ([[User talk:2804:18:1068:561C:898:3742:22FB:AA61|talk]]) 16:58, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
:::Nah it's clear your trying to push an alt-right agenda on the page. Admin's have sided with the facts, so go sulk in a corner. You lost ;) [[User:Bigbossbalrog|Bigbossbalrog]] ([[User talk:Bigbossbalrog|talk]]) 16:59, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
:::This isn't a visual novel, nor is there anything in the game which says that the flawless playthrough is the "canon" one. It's just as much contradicting the source material to ignore the other endings. [[Special:Contributions/165.235.53.254|165.235.53.254]] ([[User talk:165.235.53.254|talk]]) 17:35, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
:Nope nothing about her coming out as a boy. You lost, get over it. [[User:Bigbossbalrog|Bigbossbalrog]] ([[User talk:Bigbossbalrog|talk]]) 16:12, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
:: There's nothing about him coming out as a girl in the true ending. Until there is official confirmation from the developer, the article should not be changed to reflect an alternative ending that is explicitly defined in the game as not being true (canon) and based on loss criteria. You lost, get over it. [[Special:Contributions/2804:18:1068:561C:898:3742:22FB:AA61|2804:18:1068:561C:898:3742:22FB:AA61]] ([[User talk:2804:18:1068:561C:898:3742:22FB:AA61|talk]]) 16:48, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
:::Except the admins sided with us, so you can't do anything. Enjoy. [[User:Bigbossbalrog|Bigbossbalrog]] ([[User talk:Bigbossbalrog|talk]]) 16:52, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
::::I don't think you understand how Wikipedia's editing guidelines work. Even sysops' personal opinions do not trump reliable sources, and are not final. [[Special:Contributions/2804:18:1068:561C:898:3742:22FB:AA61|2804:18:1068:561C:898:3742:22FB:AA61]] ([[User talk:2804:18:1068:561C:898:3742:22FB:AA61|talk]]) 17:01, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
:::::"Protected article"
:::::You lost. [[User:Bigbossbalrog|Bigbossbalrog]] ([[User talk:Bigbossbalrog|talk]]) 17:14, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
::::::How though? 2804 is right. There are multiple endings in the arcade mode in the game, and you are just taking one of the few that fits your agenda to change his identity all for the sake of representation, and then hiding behind the criticism by claiming that everyone who disagrees is a "transphobe" or "alt-right bigot".
::::::Stop trying to push one of multiple endings just because that one fits your agenda. [[Special:Contributions/2604:3D09:188B:FE00:3163:5F74:3889:893A|2604:3D09:188B:FE00:3163:5F74:3889:893A]] ([[User talk:2604:3D09:188B:FE00:3163:5F74:3889:893A|talk]]) 21:04, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
::::::Several Japanese people have said that he is not coming out as a girl. He calls himself a girl in a playful way at the end, hinting that he no longer cares what people call him. This is just another case of bad localization, and the vandalism you all have done to this page is disgusting. Its especially sad to see you even attack your own people in your own group in YouTube comment sections and such because they don't agree with the English localization.
::::::This has nothing to do with alt-right, the fact that that's your immediate conclusion speaks volumes about what you value about this discussion. You don't care about the source material or what the lines mean within Japanese culture, you're just taking it and running with it. [[Special:Contributions/24.115.207.219|24.115.207.219]] ([[User talk:24.115.207.219|talk]]) 23:26, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
:::::::No, she's a girl in the Japanese version too. Stay mad! You won't be able to change anything cause the admins have sided with us. [[Special:Contributions/142.114.120.200|142.114.120.200]] ([[User talk:142.114.120.200|talk]]) 01:14, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
::::::::Having to resort to screaming "YOU DON'T RESPECT JAPANESE culture" shows how defeated you are. We won! [[User:Bigbossbalrog|Bigbossbalrog]] ([[User talk:Bigbossbalrog|talk]]) 01:16, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
:::::::::So now you are just deflecting and ignoring all the other endings and arguments, including the true one, and hiding behind the Wiki admins because they are apparently on your side? [[Special:Contributions/2604:3D09:188B:FE00:3519:31B1:9B5D:81C2|2604:3D09:188B:FE00:3519:31B1:9B5D:81C2]] ([[User talk:2604:3D09:188B:FE00:3519:31B1:9B5D:81C2|talk]]) 01:54, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
:::::::::A boy going against his assigned gender at birth now being forced back into a girl gender is supposed to be a win for you? That is basically just grooming, and you're over here cheering for it.
:::::::::Also the Japanese culture DOES matter because this is a Japanese character from a Japanese game. All Japanese media still lists Bridget as a male.
:::::::::Its pathetic how you're clinging onto the locked wiki as if it'll never change back. The only thing you've won is an award for biggest clown this week. There's already videos being made of how the bad ending is actually transphobic because of how he doesn't say he's a girl at all in the flawless route. [[Special:Contributions/24.115.207.219|24.115.207.219]] ([[User talk:24.115.207.219|talk]]) 03:42, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
::::::::He is a boy, saying I'm a girl in the bad ending is not a win, it is admitting that the bad end is him coming out as trans. [[Special:Contributions/47.188.117.17|47.188.117.17]] ([[User talk:47.188.117.17|talk]]) 01:27, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
:::::::::She says she's a girl in all the endings. This article is not changing. [[Special:Contributions/142.114.120.200|142.114.120.200]] ([[User talk:142.114.120.200|talk]]) 01:48, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
::::::::::"all" of them? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W5ezv_xxOk&t=413s
::::::::::Weird because he doesn't say anything about being a girl or wanting to be one in this ending. [[Special:Contributions/2604:3D09:188B:FE00:3519:31B1:9B5D:81C2|2604:3D09:188B:FE00:3519:31B1:9B5D:81C2]] ([[User talk:2604:3D09:188B:FE00:3519:31B1:9B5D:81C2|talk]]) 01:52, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
::::::::::HE says it in a single bad end. [[Special:Contributions/47.188.117.17|47.188.117.17]] ([[User talk:47.188.117.17|talk]]) 02:14, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
:::::::::::Honestly i'm done here. There is no use listening to these people. They don't even know how Wikipedia works. Just because you wrote your opinion down and asked the admins to lock it to prevent "vandalism" doesn't mean they are on your side and that the changes are final. Find a good source Wiki admins would accept and trust me, these 2 will go silent. But for now they are just gonna hide behind the mods and call you all sorts of buzzwords for now. [[Special:Contributions/2604:3D09:188B:FE00:3519:31B1:9B5D:81C2|2604:3D09:188B:FE00:3519:31B1:9B5D:81C2]] ([[User talk:2604:3D09:188B:FE00:3519:31B1:9B5D:81C2|talk]]) 02:20, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
::::::::::::Also one thing i forgot to mention but the admins sadly aren't "siding with you", they are just agreeing to your request to lock the page because of an edit war that had occurred. Doesn't mean your changes from he/him to she/her are correct. Dont get cocky. [[Special:Contributions/2604:3D09:188B:FE00:3519:31B1:9B5D:81C2|2604:3D09:188B:FE00:3519:31B1:9B5D:81C2]] ([[User talk:2604:3D09:188B:FE00:3519:31B1:9B5D:81C2|talk]]) 04:29, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

It is very sad to see the ambiguity of the Japanese language lost in the localization process. He is generally considered to be a "pretty boy dressed as a girl". But nothing more and nothing less. In general, Japanese people do not think of pursuing something like gender identity of a fictional character in a definite way. Sometimes they value the ambiguity that does not provide a clear answer there. He is very closely related to the development of the category [[Otokonoko]], and to simply use the fashionable label of transgender is myopic. There are several interesting references to him in the Japanese Otokonoko article. [[User:Sugarman|Sugarman]] ([[User talk:Sugarman|talk]]) 18:17, 10 August 2022 (UTC)


The section "''Bridget has been the subject of discussion about her gender identity before the release of Guilty Gear Strive [...] When Bridget was first revealed, Game Watch and other sources identified Bridget as female, though the character identified as male at the time.''" can be easily misread, as the paragraph opens discussing Guilty Gear -Strive- and then subtlely refers to 'When Bridget was first revealed" in reference to X2. It's easy to misread as still referring to Strive. It might be better as "When Bridget was first revealed for Guilty Gear X2",since it has to be clear that the two games refer to Bridget's gender very differently on account of the story.
I suggest reverting the gender/pronouns to what was before all of this and wait till official confirmation from the author's or continuation of the storyline. Since there seems to be multiple endings, all of which have different results, the only coherent choice would be to wait.


Another minor issue is "''some fans online were disappointed, having expected a "new cute, playable girl''".", where is this quote coming from? It seems it'd work just fine without the quotation marks. [[User:Tarquinous|Tarquinous]] ([[User talk:Tarquinous|talk]]) 15:21, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Also @Bigbossbalrog:
1.- having a debate on the talk page is not vandalism, that's why it's a "talk" page. trolling is.
2.- your sole argument is "admins side with me" even though nobody knows you and you only started contributing this year.
3.- Your childish behaviour is more than enough to categorize you as a troll. ("You lost", shows how much of a bigot you are.")
To anyone reading this, ignore this user, he's most likely trolling. And no, debating it's gender is not being transphobic. [[User:Square365 Favor|Square365 Favor]] ([[User talk:Square365 Favor|talk]]) 22:01, 10 August 2022 (UTC)


:The quote comes from [https://www.animefeminist.com/everybody-loves-bridget-the-origins-of-otokonoko-and-birth-of-a-trans-icon/ this article] that is cited with the number reference a sentence or two after the quote. I don't think it's an issue. Though I agree that the above sentences could have some added clarity. [[User:Whalord|Whalord]] ([[User talk:Whalord|talk]]) 06:00, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
:I disagree that the only coherent choice is to wait. While the other endings do not explicitly state that Bridget is a girl, they do not contradict that ending in any substantial way. Moreover, while it is not the only source, the use of female pronouns on GG World (true, only in English, but it certainly is not the place of Wikipedia to assume without evidence that the localization is an incorrect choice) does serve as an official source from which to derive pronoun usage for an English-language wiki. "She/her", for that reason, is the most coherent choice to use until further evidence comes out going against that, as there is far more evidence supporting it as the status quo than there is against it. [[Special:Contributions/2600:1700:6DA0:C820:4435:BF33:C1FD:6117|2600:1700:6DA0:C820:4435:BF33:C1FD:6117]] ([[User talk:2600:1700:6DA0:C820:4435:BF33:C1FD:6117|talk]]) 04:52, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

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The section "Bridget has been the subject of discussion about her gender identity before the release of Guilty Gear Strive [...] When Bridget was first revealed, Game Watch and other sources identified Bridget as female, though the character identified as male at the time." can be easily misread, as the paragraph opens discussing Guilty Gear -Strive- and then subtlely refers to 'When Bridget was first revealed" in reference to X2. It's easy to misread as still referring to Strive. It might be better as "When Bridget was first revealed for Guilty Gear X2",since it has to be clear that the two games refer to Bridget's gender very differently on account of the story.

Another minor issue is "some fans online were disappointed, having expected a "new cute, playable girl".", where is this quote coming from? It seems it'd work just fine without the quotation marks. Tarquinous (talk) 15:21, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The quote comes from this article that is cited with the number reference a sentence or two after the quote. I don't think it's an issue. Though I agree that the above sentences could have some added clarity. Whalord (talk) 06:00, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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