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Hey, I don't know how to leave a signature so sorry about that but saw [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=John_Jay_College_of_Criminal_Justice&diff=1053633511&oldid=1053630495 your edit]. Those were college majors (have provided a link to the correct source), I don't know if it's against WP policy to list the majors the college offers (if it does, please feel free to let me know or undo it and I apologize) but wanted to give you the heads up. Anyway, it is dedicated to Criminal Justice, hence the college's name (John Jay College '''of Criminal Justice'''). Thanks. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:108.41.108.33|108.41.108.33]] ([[User talk:108.41.108.33#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/108.41.108.33|contribs]]) 22:16, November 4, 2021 (UTC)</span> |
Hey, I don't know how to leave a signature so sorry about that but saw [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=John_Jay_College_of_Criminal_Justice&diff=1053633511&oldid=1053630495 your edit]. Those were college majors (have provided a link to the correct source), I don't know if it's against WP policy to list the majors the college offers (if it does, please feel free to let me know or undo it and I apologize) but wanted to give you the heads up. Anyway, it is dedicated to Criminal Justice, hence the college's name (John Jay College '''of Criminal Justice'''). Thanks. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:108.41.108.33|108.41.108.33]] ([[User talk:108.41.108.33#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/108.41.108.33|contribs]]) 22:16, November 4, 2021 (UTC)</span> |
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== Ohio University Russ College + ARC Building == |
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== Billionaires (#of) Referenced in top Colleges- == |
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Would you kindly merge the articles please? Haven't had time to discover how; appreciate your help! [[User:Sapienna|Sapienna]] ([[User talk:Sapienna|talk]]) 20:06, 15 December 2024 (UTC) |
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You are much more experienced than me ( well over 5 times the number of edits) and since I recall you having always improved my contributions I reflexively thanked you for change you made earlier today. To date I don't recall me ever not accepting your changes. That being said there may be the 1st time. I believe that until earlier today your deleting reference to number of Billionaires at Penn, I think all 8 of the Ivy League colleges and most similar colleges mention the number of Billionaires. I will double check such. If indeed almost all Ivy League and similar colleges mention #of billionaires, then I am inclined to insert back in Penn's (which has citations to prove). Of course, there may be a Wikipedia reason not to have such reference (of which reason I am not aware). If such is the case, then we should remove the reference to number of Billionaires in all 10 plus colleges that mention it. Thanks again for your help over the years on making me a better Wikipedia editor. [[User:OneMoreByte|OneMoreByte]] ([[User talk:OneMoreByte|talk]]) 10:35, 23 July 2022 (UTC) |
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Hi @[[User:ElKevbo|ElKevbo]]! I was wondering if it would be possible to restore the additions recently made to the Ursuline College page regarding their ranking by U.S. News and World Report. Other Ohio universities' pages use extremely similar wording, like under the Academics and Rankings section of [[Bowling Green State University]]. Let me know your thoughts, and thanks so much for your help! I am new to editing articles so still learning the ropes! <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Tay.sauer|Tay.sauer]] ([[User talk:Tay.sauer#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tay.sauer|contribs]]) 10:25, December 16, 2024 (UTC)</small> |
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:I have no objection to including relevant, up-to-date rankings in the article. But they should be described in neutral language and with accuracy, including the year of the ranking. |
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:And I strongly recommend that you restrict most or all of your editing about Ursuline to the article's Talk page given your employment and your specific role at the college. [[User:ElKevbo|ElKevbo]] ([[User talk:ElKevbo#top|talk]]) 15:28, 16 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:Will do, thank you so much for letting me know! [[Tay.sauer]] [[User:Tay.sauer|Tay.sauer]] ([[User talk:Tay.sauer|talk]]) 15:44, 16 December 2024 (UTC) |
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I just double checked my assertions about reference to #of billionaire and see that I was wrong with respect to one of the Ivy League schools. Though until early today when Penn's reference was removed 7 Ivy League schools Wikipedia page referenced the # of billionaires. The exception is Princeton. In addition, Stanford, University of Chicago and Duke U also reference the # of billionaires. Later today I will reinsert the fact into Penn's page with citations. If you show me (as you always have done in past) that I am wrong, then we should remove the reference to number of Billionaires from not just University of Pennsylvania but also Stanford, University of Chicago and Duke U, Brown, Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, and Yale. As always, I am willing to be corrected. Thanks again for all your constructive criticism over the past year or so. [[User:OneMoreByte|OneMoreByte]] ([[User talk:OneMoreByte|talk]]) 10:59, 23 July 2022 (UTC) |
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Not sure what you have against USNA distinguished graduates. "Unnecessary detail" isn't a reason for deletion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Content_removal#Reasons_for_content_removal <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Tomhubbard|Tomhubbard]] ([[User talk:Tomhubbard#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tomhubbard|contribs]]) 00:07, 19 December 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:You may find it helpful to review our [[WP:NOT|general policy on what Wikipedia is not]] and our specific guidance on [[WP:UNIGUIDE|what we typically include in articles about colleges and universities]]. In general, we try to aim for articles that cover the most important information about an institution without delving into a lot of detail about any particular aspect unless that detail is critical e.g., precise size of endowment, year of founding, number of students enrolled. A detailed listing of alumni who receive a particular award from the institution doesn't seem to be the kind of critical information we should include in an encyclopedia article. |
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:You're welcome to open a discussion in the article's Talk page to see if other editors have different opinions! [[User:ElKevbo|ElKevbo]] ([[User talk:ElKevbo#top|talk]]) 02:40, 19 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|OneMoreByte}} "[[Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section|Apart from basic facts, significant information should not appear in the lead if it is not covered in the remainder of the article.]]" I removed that information because the lede is intended to summarize what is in the body of the article and that information isn't in the body of that article. If that is the case for those other articles then they need to be fixed, too. [[User:ElKevbo|ElKevbo]] ([[User talk:ElKevbo#top|talk]]) 15:12, 23 July 2022 (UTC) |
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::@[[User:ElKevbo|ElKevbo]] @[[User:OneMoreByte|OneMoreByte]] I think that the info should be added to the body, not removed from the lead. Information about the prominent alumni that an institution has produced is relevant to an encyclopedic account of that institution, as evidenced by the existence of spinoff "List of X university people" pages for most institutions. There are only two ways to go about presenting that info: by listing individuals or by listing the number of different types of individuals. Listing individuals is almost never [[WP:DUE|due]] for the lead, particularly for larger universities, so I think "X billionaires, Y presidents, Z Nobel laureates" is far better. <span style="color:#AAA"><small>{{u|</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088">[[User:Sdkb|<span style="color:#FFF">'''Sdkb'''</span>]]</span><small>}}</small></span> <sup>[[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']]</sup> 18:54, 23 July 2022 (UTC) |
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:::That's an okay compromise. But I also think it might be time to address these long lists of numbers and awards/categories of alumni in article leads as they're way too long and detailed in some articles. As this particular instance illustrates, in many cases this information in the lead has been lengthened without regard for what's in the body of the article. [[User:ElKevbo|ElKevbo]] ([[User talk:ElKevbo#top|talk]]) 22:02, 23 July 2022 (UTC) |
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I defer to your experience. I will add to the body and shrink the description in head so that it's consistent with rest of Ivy League [[User:OneMoreByte|OneMoreByte]] ([[User talk:OneMoreByte|talk]]) 03:13, 24 July 2022 (UTC) |
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== Lower columbia college == |
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I also thank sdkb for their input [[User:OneMoreByte|OneMoreByte]] ([[User talk:OneMoreByte|talk]]) 03:40, 24 July 2022 (UTC) |
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Why did you delete my addition to this article. I go to this college and think its inappropriate for you to delete it. [[User:Schwajar000|Schwajar000]] ([[User talk:Schwajar000|talk]]) 23:49, 29 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== NACUBO vs self-published source == |
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:I removed much of it because it was [[WP:DUE|overly detailed]] and [[WP:NPOV|promotional]]. |
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:You're welcome to open a discussion in the article's Talk page or ask for input at [[WT:UNI]] if you'd like opinions from other editors! [[User:ElKevbo|ElKevbo]] ([[User talk:ElKevbo#top|talk]]) 00:04, 30 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Hi! On the page [[UCSF]] you recently inserted a self-published source instead of the NACUBO source (which was the status who before the other user changed it). I reverted it to NACUBO but then you undid this. Not to assume, but was this a mistake? From your other postings, I seemed to believe that you were also in favor of using independent NACUBO source for all rather than self published. If it wasn’t a mistake, I think we need to discuss this more. NACUBO is independent and I think should be given preference. [[User:Eccekevin|Eccekevin]] ([[User talk:Eccekevin|talk]]) 20:30, 27 July 2022 (UTC) |
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:There is no consensus for this edit and I'm surprised that you have begun an [[WP:EW|edit war]] to enforce your own opinion. In any case, I've opened a discussion at [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Infobox_university#Dispute_over_the_use_of_NACUBO_and_institutional_sources_for_the_endowment_parameter the infobox's Talk page]; please participate. [[User:ElKevbo|ElKevbo]] ([[User talk:ElKevbo#top|talk]]) 00:59, 28 July 2022 (UTC) |
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::To be clear, I have simply brought it back to status quo. I actually don’t have a strong opinion either way. And no, I haven’t engaged in an edit war, simply brought back to status quo before the disagreements between several editors and some confusing edits. [[User:Eccekevin|Eccekevin]] ([[User talk:Eccekevin|talk]]) 02:18, 28 July 2022 (UTC) |
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:::You [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=University_of_California,_San_Francisco&diff=1100700611&oldid=1100698312 made an edit], someone else (me, this case) [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=University_of_California,_San_Francisco&diff=1100737449&oldid=1100700611 reverted your edit], and you [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=University_of_California,_San_Francisco&diff=1100809063&oldid=1100737449 reverted back to your original edit]. That is de facto the beginning of an edit war. Please review [[WP:EW]] and [[WP:BRD]]. [[User:ElKevbo|ElKevbo]] ([[User talk:ElKevbo#top|talk]]) 02:46, 28 July 2022 (UTC) |
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Nichols College recently made major and long overdue revisions to its page, most of which have been undone. I understand the edits that refer to "blatantly promotional" and "unnecessarily detailed" but there was no reason to make extensive changes, especially shortening our list of notable alumni. The edits were sanctioned by the college. In addition, there is incorrect information in your version, e.g., Amasa Nichols was never president of Nichols Academy (founder and trustee) and the nickname is Bison, not Bisons (no such word). Please advise on how we may come to a compromise. Thank you. [[User:Sdveshi|Sdveshi]] ([[User talk:Sdveshi|talk]]) 16:16, 15 August 2022 (UTC) |
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:Apologies on not knowing the guidelines with respect to COI. I would still like to revert to some original edits, with the insertion of a connected contributor disclosure.Thanks [[User:Sdveshi|Sdveshi]] ([[User talk:Sdveshi|talk]]) 17:27, 15 August 2022 (UTC) |
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::{{ping|Sdveshi}} In my experience, many Wikipedia editors are okay with connected editors making edits to articles that are completely uncontroversial and clearly explained e.g., updating information that is already included in the article but has fallen out-of-date, correcting clear errors of fact, fixing typos and mistakes. Edits that are more complex, particularly those that add new information or delete existing information, should be suggested or requested in the article's Talk page. That allows other editors who are not connected to the subject to evaluate the suggestion or request and implement it themselves. |
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::If you make a suggestion or request in the talk page of this college and you don't get a timely response, feel free to ping me. You could also ask for help at [[WT:UNI]]. [[User:ElKevbo|ElKevbo]] ([[User talk:ElKevbo#top|talk]]) 23:17, 15 August 2022 (UTC) |
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== Common University Misspellings == |
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Hi @[[User:ElKevbo|ElKevbo]], |
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Hope you're doing well. |
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Two of the things that surprise me most is how many people confused "entitled" with "titled" and how many universities names can be misspelled ("Emory University", not "Emery University", "Rice University", not "University of Rice", "Washington University in St. Louis", not "University of Washington at St. Louis", "University of Washington", not "Washington University in Seattle, etc. |
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By chance, do you have a list or know where I could acquire a list of common misspellings/complete list of colleges that may often be confused with each other? |
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[[User:Wozal|Wozal]] ([[User talk:Wozal|talk]]) 14:57, 19 August 2022 (UTC) |
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:{{tps}} @[[User:Wozal|Wozal]], for misspellings like [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Emery_University&redirect=no Emery University], we should be creating redirects to the correct title and tagging them with {{t|r from misspelling}}. Doing this not only helps users searching, but also helps correct misspellings in articles that link to the institution's page. You can find some instances of some universities that already have this [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Redirects_from_misspellings?from=University here]. To get a more comprehensive list, you'd need to get a [[WP:QUERY|query]] for misspelling redirects to pages categorized as higher education institutions. For individual institutions, you can look at "What links here" in the left sidebar and choose redirects. For institutions that may be confused with each other, you'd want a query for pages categorized as higher education institutions that have the template {{t|Distinguish}} or similar. [https://petscan.wmflabs.org/?psid=22677527 This list] has a bunch of results. Cheers, <span style="color:#AAA"><small>{{u|</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088">[[User:Sdkb|<span style="color:#FFF">'''Sdkb'''</span>]]</span><small>}}</small></span> <sup>[[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']]</sup> 17:06, 19 August 2022 (UTC) |
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::Hi @[[User:Sdkb|Sdkb]], |
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::Thank you! |
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::Would that work within the context of the article? Like if the line was "John graduated from Emery University" or if something was cited at the bottom of the page by "Emery University"? I understand that redirects can be helpful but what about information already in articles? [[User:Wozal|Wozal]] ([[User talk:Wozal|talk]]) 20:15, 19 August 2022 (UTC) |
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:::If it's unlinked, then I think you'd need to use the typo tool as suggested by ElKevbo below. But if it's "John graduated from [[Emery University]]", then it should be automatically fixed within a few days. <span style="color:#AAA"><small>{{u|</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088">[[User:Sdkb|<span style="color:#FFF">'''Sdkb'''</span>]]</span><small>}}</small></span> <sup>[[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']]</sup> 21:31, 19 August 2022 (UTC) |
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:I don't have such a list nor do I know of one. For misspellings and errors that are common across institutions/articles, you should be able to find them (one-at-a-time) using Wikipedia's search tool. We have pretty good [[Help:Searching|documentation]] with examples. You could also ask for help from the [[Wikipedia:Typo Team|Typo Team]]; they may have other, better ideas and suggestions. |
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:Good luck! [[User:ElKevbo|ElKevbo]] ([[User talk:ElKevbo#top|talk]]) 21:04, 19 August 2022 (UTC) |
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== ANI mention == |
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Hi, ElKevbo! I mentioned your name at ANI, in the thread [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:Donovanjustin, Salve Regina University]]. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers|talk]]) 19:24, 19 August 2022 (UTC) |
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:Thanks for the heads up. It's a very straight-forward case so I'll lay low unless it's necessary for me to speak up there. [[User:ElKevbo|ElKevbo]] ([[User talk:ElKevbo#top|talk]]) 21:05, 19 August 2022 (UTC) |
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== Washington and Lee University edits == |
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I have made two attempts to revise the Washington and Lee University wiki page, specifically as it relates to President Lee’s tenure at the college. The current article contains a biased point of view that only presents modern perspective. There has been a clear shift in the perspective of Lee, which my edits attempt to capture. Well established historians have differing point of views, reflections that should be captured. Lee came into tenure of a destitute college in need of funding, facilities, curriculum updates, faculty, and students. These facts are indisputable and based on historical fact. Also indisputable are the acts of vandalism and looting that occurred during Hunter’s sack of Lexington. The points of view expressed in my article cite multiple sources and the University’s website. Please consider these sources and explain why they are inadmissible. Based on your accusation and name calling of a divergent perspective seem to go against Wikipedia’s guidelines for diverse and neutral points of view. Please explain how my supported edits are inappropriate? [[User:Gwhitfieldvi|Gwhitfieldvi]] ([[User talk:Gwhitfieldvi|talk]]) 00:09, 20 August 2022 (UTC) |
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[edit]Hey, I don't know how to leave a signature so sorry about that but saw your edit. Those were college majors (have provided a link to the correct source), I don't know if it's against WP policy to list the majors the college offers (if it does, please feel free to let me know or undo it and I apologize) but wanted to give you the heads up. Anyway, it is dedicated to Criminal Justice, hence the college's name (John Jay College of Criminal Justice). Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.41.108.33 (talk • contribs) 22:16, November 4, 2021 (UTC)
Ohio University Russ College + ARC Building
[edit]Would you kindly merge the articles please? Haven't had time to discover how; appreciate your help! Sapienna (talk) 20:06, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
Ursuline College
[edit]Hi @ElKevbo! I was wondering if it would be possible to restore the additions recently made to the Ursuline College page regarding their ranking by U.S. News and World Report. Other Ohio universities' pages use extremely similar wording, like under the Academics and Rankings section of Bowling Green State University. Let me know your thoughts, and thanks so much for your help! I am new to editing articles so still learning the ropes! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tay.sauer (talk • contribs) 10:25, December 16, 2024 (UTC)
- I have no objection to including relevant, up-to-date rankings in the article. But they should be described in neutral language and with accuracy, including the year of the ranking.
- And I strongly recommend that you restrict most or all of your editing about Ursuline to the article's Talk page given your employment and your specific role at the college. ElKevbo (talk) 15:28, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- Will do, thank you so much for letting me know! Tay.sauer Tay.sauer (talk) 15:44, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
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[edit]Not sure what you have against USNA distinguished graduates. "Unnecessary detail" isn't a reason for deletion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Content_removal#Reasons_for_content_removal — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tomhubbard (talk • contribs) 00:07, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- You may find it helpful to review our general policy on what Wikipedia is not and our specific guidance on what we typically include in articles about colleges and universities. In general, we try to aim for articles that cover the most important information about an institution without delving into a lot of detail about any particular aspect unless that detail is critical e.g., precise size of endowment, year of founding, number of students enrolled. A detailed listing of alumni who receive a particular award from the institution doesn't seem to be the kind of critical information we should include in an encyclopedia article.
- You're welcome to open a discussion in the article's Talk page to see if other editors have different opinions! ElKevbo (talk) 02:40, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
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Lower columbia college
[edit]Why did you delete my addition to this article. I go to this college and think its inappropriate for you to delete it. Schwajar000 (talk) 23:49, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- I removed much of it because it was overly detailed and promotional.
- You're welcome to open a discussion in the article's Talk page or ask for input at WT:UNI if you'd like opinions from other editors! ElKevbo (talk) 00:04, 30 December 2024 (UTC)