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== Term Length == |
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== The use of 'Mr Prime Minister' for informal usage. == |
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Should the term length be ‘Up to Five Years’ instead of ‘At His Majesty’s Pleasure’? Formally it’s true that the PM serves at the King’s pleasure, but that’s not actually true - the PM’s term is five years or shorter if they wish to call the election early. |
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I don't think I've ever heard the term Mr Prime Minister used informally in the UK. It is far far more common to hear and use Prime Minister when referring to or speaking at the Prime Minister. Using Mr/Madam etc. + [Title Name] is far far more common in the USA than the UK and I'd wager that the American precedent has been applied wrongly here. [[User:RavingWelsh|RavingWelsh]] ([[User talk:RavingWelsh|talk]]) 17:41, 22 November 2021 (UTC) |
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:It seems a strange construction and I doubt it is used in the UK, I would be tempted to just remove it. "Prime Minister" is the normal use. [[User:MilborneOne|MilborneOne]] ([[User talk:MilborneOne|talk]]) 18:46, 22 November 2021 (UTC) |
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To have it describe the formal term length instead of the actual term length is inconsistent with the recent decision to say that the incumbent is Keir Starmer before he was asked by the king to form a government, which he formally wasn’t. Furthermore, ‘Up to Five Years’ is a far more relevant and helpful piece of information to have. [[User:Jayfin-1|Jayfin-1]] ([[User talk:Jayfin-1|talk]]) 11:54, 6 July 2024 (UTC) |
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== Request to update and add new information == |
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Here being UK [[User:RavingWelsh|RavingWelsh]] ([[User talk:RavingWelsh|talk]]) 20:15, 22 November 2021 (UTC) |
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:I've removed it [[Special:Diff/1056604100|here]]. Thanks for pointing it out (and yes, I've never heard it here either). -- [[user:zzuuzz|zzuuzz]] <sup>[[user_talk:zzuuzz|(talk)]]</sup> 20:20, 22 November 2021 (UTC) |
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In the section “Authority, Powers and Constraints” there needs to be some new information accessing the legislative powers, executive powers and the royal prerogative powers of the British Prime Minister in policy making and the eligibility. Can anyone on this article write and add the following needed information to this page? [[User:Altonydean|Altonydean]] ([[User talk:Altonydean|talk]]) 11:59, 7 July 2024 (UTC) |
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Thanks! Went to check the Deputy PM page and have changed its style to be in line with this one too. [[User:RavingWelsh|RavingWelsh]] ([[User talk:RavingWelsh|talk]]) 20:24, 22 November 2021 (UTC) |
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:I suppose for legislative powers we could have a brief explanation of how the PM gets their party to vote with them with the Whips system, parliamentary party rebellions, votes being confidence issue, etc.? |
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== Appointer listed as The Crown == |
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:I don’t think we need a separate section for executive powers and royal prerogatives, since RPs are a form of executive power. We could have a list of RPs, followed by an explanation of secondary legislation, maybe with own or two examples of executive powers the PM has been granted by parliament through specific acts - e.g. The War Act of 1914 and The Coronavirus Act of 2020. [[User:Jayfin-1|Jayfin-1]] ([[User talk:Jayfin-1|talk]]) 15:12, 8 July 2024 (UTC) |
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::Exactly, but there is no need to write a new section. Just write on the existing “Authority, power and constraints” section instead. But you do need to add three sub sections on legislative powers as well as executive powers and the royal prerogative powers which are omitted from this section rather disproportionately. Although it should be explained in a detailed manner so readers could understand. If you are willing to add such information, please do, the article needs urgent attention. Thank you. [[User:Altonydean|Altonydean]] ([[User talk:Altonydean|talk]]) 16:13, 8 July 2024 (UTC) |
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== Improvement request == |
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The info box should be edited to change the appointer being listed as the Crown to either Elizabeth II or to The Sovereign linking to the British monarchy page. The Crown is analogous to the state in the Commonwealth realms and shouldn’t be used as shorthand for the King/Queen of the United Kingdom. [[Special:Contributions/2A00:23C8:A2CD:D01:CAA:87C3:17DF:535B|2A00:23C8:A2CD:D01:CAA:87C3:17DF:535B]] ([[User talk:2A00:23C8:A2CD:D01:CAA:87C3:17DF:535B|talk]]) 20:39, 5 April 2022 (UTC) |
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This page lacks information regarding the powers of the Prime Minister. I have made this suggestion earlier to some editors but none so far have agreed to do so or discuss such changes. Powers of the Prime Minister needs comprehensive and detailed information especially regarding specific powers such as executive power, legislative power, prerogative power and appointment of ministers. None have been added or written about in any of these sections. Needs significant expansion and changes mentioned above if this page is to help ensure that the role of the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom is understood in the way that it is intended. I cannot edit this page due to a recurring personal health issues and not being gifted in the area of constitutional law and political knowledge. Therefore, if editors can add the aforementioned information it would be a great achievement. This is not an instruction or order to anyone, but a suggestion. Thank you and good luck. [[User:Altonydean|Altonydean]] ([[User talk:Altonydean|talk]]) 16:39, 24 August 2024 (UTC) |
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== Office of Prime Minister == |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 15 October 2024 == |
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The second paragraph says "It was announced by Prime Minister Boris Johnson on 31 January 2022 that the office of Prime Minister would be formally established" but that isn't what the cited article says. It says he's creating an "office of the prime minister" i.e. a group of civil servants led by a permanent secretary to support the prime minister. |
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{{edit semi-protected|Prime Minister of the United Kingdom|answered=yes}} |
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It's talking about these people: |
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https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/prime-ministers-office-10-downing-street |
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:[[File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done''': it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a [[WP:EDITXY|"change X to Y" format]] and provide a [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable source]] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:Danski454|Danski454]] ([[User talk:Danski454|talk]]) 21:19, 15 October 2024 (UTC) |
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https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/prime-ministers-office-10-downing-street/about |
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The actual office of prime minister (not the office of the prime minister) remains as it's always been. |
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== PM was kicked out == |
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Rumored to be kicked out by the queen herself, Boris Johnson resigned along with most of his staff aswell, so it needs updating |
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/boris-johnson-prime-minister-resigns-uk-government-11657144874 [[User:MagentiumPRIME|MagentiumPRIME]] ([[User talk:MagentiumPRIME|talk]]) 06:40, 25 July 2022 (UTC) |
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:Your statement that he has resigned suggests you have not read your own reference which starts "British Prime Minister Boris Johnson said he would resign once a successor is chosen, after senior members of his government turned against him and urged him to stand down following a series of scandals." That process has not yet completed. (Your mention of a rumour suggests you misunderstand the [[constitution of the United Kingdom]].) [[User:Bazza 7|Bazza]] ([[User talk:Bazza 7|talk]]) 08:11, 25 July 2022 (UTC) |
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== Liz Truss is not PM == |
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The Queen has not invivted Liz Truss to form a government, and won't do until September 6th, so why is this page claiming she's PM? [[Special:Contributions/86.159.195.165|86.159.195.165]] ([[User talk:86.159.195.165|talk]]) 11:50, 5 September 2022 (UTC) |
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Term Length
[edit]Should the term length be ‘Up to Five Years’ instead of ‘At His Majesty’s Pleasure’? Formally it’s true that the PM serves at the King’s pleasure, but that’s not actually true - the PM’s term is five years or shorter if they wish to call the election early.
To have it describe the formal term length instead of the actual term length is inconsistent with the recent decision to say that the incumbent is Keir Starmer before he was asked by the king to form a government, which he formally wasn’t. Furthermore, ‘Up to Five Years’ is a far more relevant and helpful piece of information to have. Jayfin-1 (talk) 11:54, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
Request to update and add new information
[edit]In the section “Authority, Powers and Constraints” there needs to be some new information accessing the legislative powers, executive powers and the royal prerogative powers of the British Prime Minister in policy making and the eligibility. Can anyone on this article write and add the following needed information to this page? Altonydean (talk) 11:59, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- I suppose for legislative powers we could have a brief explanation of how the PM gets their party to vote with them with the Whips system, parliamentary party rebellions, votes being confidence issue, etc.?
- I don’t think we need a separate section for executive powers and royal prerogatives, since RPs are a form of executive power. We could have a list of RPs, followed by an explanation of secondary legislation, maybe with own or two examples of executive powers the PM has been granted by parliament through specific acts - e.g. The War Act of 1914 and The Coronavirus Act of 2020. Jayfin-1 (talk) 15:12, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Exactly, but there is no need to write a new section. Just write on the existing “Authority, power and constraints” section instead. But you do need to add three sub sections on legislative powers as well as executive powers and the royal prerogative powers which are omitted from this section rather disproportionately. Although it should be explained in a detailed manner so readers could understand. If you are willing to add such information, please do, the article needs urgent attention. Thank you. Altonydean (talk) 16:13, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
Improvement request
[edit]This page lacks information regarding the powers of the Prime Minister. I have made this suggestion earlier to some editors but none so far have agreed to do so or discuss such changes. Powers of the Prime Minister needs comprehensive and detailed information especially regarding specific powers such as executive power, legislative power, prerogative power and appointment of ministers. None have been added or written about in any of these sections. Needs significant expansion and changes mentioned above if this page is to help ensure that the role of the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom is understood in the way that it is intended. I cannot edit this page due to a recurring personal health issues and not being gifted in the area of constitutional law and political knowledge. Therefore, if editors can add the aforementioned information it would be a great achievement. This is not an instruction or order to anyone, but a suggestion. Thank you and good luck. Altonydean (talk) 16:39, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 15 October 2024
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- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Danski454 (talk) 21:19, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
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