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==Ice Czar==
defaced once again edited out "CHASE IS GAY" (large block step and repeat)

==Interstella 5555==

The title of the Daft Punk video, Interstella 5555: 5tory of the 5ecret 5tar 5ystem, has leet in it. Should it be put with the examples?

== vandalism ==

alot of people seem to be vandalizing this. wikipedia needs to lock it until it gets sorted out. someone replaced the letters in the leet cipher and syntax. ie the R is where the W should be.

I tried to fix most of it.

People aren't trying to vandalize, their just trying to make it better


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Can someone add this font to the Leet article linksection?

http://www.trypo.com/trypo/fonts/elite/index.php

It's the first l33tfont and lets you type "leet" right away.

== Stephen Colbert ==

September 17th stephen colbert told people to vandalize this article.... I put it back to how it was..... or did I?

== I cleaned it up ==

You may have noticed that Leet has undergone some pretty dramatic changes under some of the headings.
*I did my best to make everything sound encyclopedic.
*I boiled the over-stylized examples down to just their roots (e.g. for the pwn heading, pwn3d → pwned—The 3 only bogged down the example) so that nothing got in the way of their meaning.
*I got rid of a bunch of game references (lots of WoW **censored**).
*Removed a bunch of pointless topic expansions and extraneous examples
*Removed some unfounded claims and requested citations for others.
*Swapped some grammar and spelling sections around, because they were in the wrong section.
*Many other changes.

Hopefully most of you approve of the changes. I will be keeping a close eye on this article, as it seems to attract a lot of bilge.

The only thing I didn't go over were the lists of links at the bottom of the article.

Is it clean? Can we get rid of the clean-up heading?
—[[User:Ctrl-Alt-Dimension|Ragdoll]] 14:06, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
:Since there have been no objections for 10 days, I'm going to '''be bold''' and remove the clean-up notice. Please, though, continue to remember that removing information may be just as valuable as adding information. —[[User:Ctrl-Alt-Dimension|Ragdoll]] 19:32, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

== cleanup / citing sources ==

isn't it kind of impossible to cite sources for comments like "some ppl spek lyk3 dis?" this kind of thing cannot be proved by officially recognized sources, and I'm under the impression that these kind of sentences don't really need to be proved; they should be already understood to be true.

"Some wrongly believe that the origin involved using a dynamic cipher, so that only experienced users would be privy to the message"

someone reply how these kind of sentences can be given a citation.<small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Shadowxling|Shadowxling]] ([[User talk:Shadowxling|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Shadowxling|contribs]]) 19:42, September 18, 2006.</small>
:Find the study that talks about peoples' misunderstandings about the origin of Leet and create a citation for it. Otherwise, it may be better to opt to get rid of the statement altogether. —[[User:Ctrl-Alt-Dimension|Ragdoll]] 17:02, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

==Destroy the Leetists==
Yes, thou shall vandalize this article because it is an example of how NOT to write an article, IM lingo is VERY far off from the phenomina we know as leet, images of people using 1337 are mainly doctored, and half of the article is written by throwing in random facts here and there...

Destroy the leet, before it destroys us all.<small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/131.247.243.168|131.247.243.168]] ([[User talk:131.247.243.168|talk]]) 08:04, September 21, 2006'.</small>
:Better yet, help us make the article better. —[[User:Ctrl-Alt-Dimension|Ragdoll]] 22:07, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
:destroy the leetists? ur retarded <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:72.70.145.105|72.70.145.105]] ([[User talk:72.70.145.105|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/72.70.145.105|contribs]]) 09:16, September 22, 2006 (UTC{{{3|}}})</small>


==Notable?==

An anoymous user added a link to [http://www.freewebs.com/zero_nit this site] under the Similar and related dialects section. I'm in two minds as to whether or not it's notable enough for mention. Any comments? [[User:Crimson Shadow|Crimson Shadow]] 16:35, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
:I deleted the linkspam, though I don't know what ''Zero'' is itself. If it's notable enough to be included, it won't be pointing to a freewebs page. —[[User:Ctrl-Alt-Dimension|Ragdoll]] 16:48, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

== Ask.com logo ==

I'm hesitent to delete the Ask.com logo, just because I don't know if it's part of a joke they played, like Google often does with their logo on certain holidays. It's really ugly and ametureish, and I debate its neccesity, after Google's page is seen translated into Leet.

Do we need another search engine translation as an image?

Plus, it has no copyright information attached.
—[[User:Ctrl-Alt-Dimension|Ragdoll]] 22:10, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

== Image ==

[[Image:Leet microwave ovens.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Leet microwave ovens.]]
My image is '''not''' unrelated. Take a look at the time the clocks are displaying. [[User:JIP|<font color="#CC0000">J</font><font color="#00CC00">I</font><font color="#0000CC">P</font>]] | [[User talk:JIP|Talk]] 07:53, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
:I'm unclear as to how a coincidence is relevant to the variety. —[[User:Ctrl-Alt-Dimension|Ragdoll]] 22:10, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

== Too much leet & 1337 refences? ==

There are pictures from ''Sociological considerations'' to ''The Leet cipher and syntax''. Ain't that a bit too much, pictures even cover a part of table. [[User:217.159.163.220|217.159.163.220]] 18:12, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
:I '''agree'''. I chose to remove this one because personalized license plates can be anything. --[[User:Sbluen|Sbluen]] 18:08, 15 October 2006 (UTC) [[Image:1337_Plate_PA.jpg|thumb|…and another on a [[Pennsylvania]] personalized license plate.]]
:I '''agree'''. —[[User:Ctrl-Alt-Dimension|Ragdoll]] 18:07, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

== 1337 The Numb3r ==

Is it of any significance that 1337 is divisible only by 7 and 19? 1337 is a fun number to run across irl.

Isnt it also divisable by 1? or 1337? also you have written 19? (is that supposed to represent 191? becuse it doesnt seem to divide by 19-with a whole number result)?

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~ I actualy just added 1 + 3 + 3 = 7 to the page.
[[User:69.223.46.15|69.223.46.15]] 10:43, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

== ''FTW'', ''Plz'' ==

I'm wondering if these belong in the Leet article, since none of them are actually Leet. These are both more like SMS language, or txt-tlk; they're not really enciphered. ''Plz'' might warrent a note in the main vocabulary section, but I don't think it needs a section all on its own. I vote '''delete'''.

What do you think? —[[User:Ctrl-Alt-Dimension|Ragdoll]] 18:06, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
:i '''agree''' with the comment about Plz, but FTW is embedded in the leet culture so to speak and so i do believe it warrents a place. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:82.34.147.232|82.34.147.232]] ([[User talk:82.34.147.232|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/82.34.147.232|contribs]]) 12:05, October 17, 2006.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
::I realize the whole of Leet is uncited, but I'd be more inclined to agree with you about ''FTW'' being “embedded in the leet culture” if you could tell me where you found this information. —[[User:Ctrl-Alt-Dimension|Ragdoll]] 21:04, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
:I '''agree''', they more properly belong in [[Internet slang]] and [[List of Internet slang]]. Actually I was visiting while trying to hunt down a reference for ''kthxbye'' (or ''kthxbai''), which appears nowhere on the Wikipedia that I can find, though [[Internet slang]] is a redirect for it. [[User:Dfrauzel|Dfrauzel]] 23:40, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

It's been 10 days. I'm going to go ahead and delete ''Plz'' and leave ''FTW'' for now, though I still think it should be moved elsewhere. —[[User:Ctrl-Alt-Dimension|Ragdoll]] 07:46, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
:I'm moving ''FTW'' to this talk page until something appropriate can be done with it. Quite simply, it's not Leet. My recommendation is to build out sections for popular terms in [[Internet slang]], similar to the way it's done in this article. It needs clean-up, anyway. —[[User:Ctrl-Alt-Dimension|Ragdoll]] 22:54, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

<pre>==== FTW ====
''FTW'' is short for “For the Win,” which is used in reference to something powerful that helps one win.
It is commonly used in conjunction with a noun that a person feels the need to advocate—such as “Notepad FTW.”
Similarly, an argument or retort can be declared ''FTW'' if one feels one's comments were particularly
damaging, sarcastic, or funny.

''FTW'' can also be used to describe something that the user feels is worthy of admiration. The object in
question usually has something to do with the person using it. For example, a gamer who is fond of playing a
mage character might say “Mages FTW.”

Conversely, ''FTL'' has come around with the opposite meaning: “For The Loss/Lose.”

The origins of this phrase may have been from the gameshow ''[[Hollywood Squares]]'', where it was
customarily used when choosing the potentially winning square.</pre>

== Why leet, ? ==

Why is is "leet"? is it because 1337 becomes 13333337 is you transform it into hex? I cant find any good explonation to why it really s leet and not some other word like "eleet"... —<small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:213.64.150.116|213.64.150.116]] ([[User talk:213.64.150.116|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/213.64.150.116|contribs]]) 08:23, October 18, 2006.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
:Likely because it's faster to type, enciphered, and naturally, more Leet. —[[User:Ctrl-Alt-Dimension|Ragdoll]] 19:37, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
::It (probably) was originally 31337, as the [[List of TCP and UDP port numbers|port]] for Back Orifice illustrates. I agree that it likely became 1337 simply as it's faster to type, etc.; also possibly because of the appeal of four-letter words? [[User:Dfrauzel|Dfrauzel]] 23:32, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
:::I think it's a tad pointless to debate its origins without researching the subject extensively. Personally, I do not know. I'm not sure anyone does have a definite answer for sure. Would someone be willing to research why the "e" was dropped, though? I would myself, but I have neither the time nor the patience.

:::Though, I do agree, it seems the "e" was dropped simply because it's easier to type/say. Probably a bit like how "do not" became "don't" after many years. "31337" is a bit redundant, also. [[User:Evening Breeze|Evening Breeze]] 03:25, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

== Merge ==

Definitely '''do not merge'''. Leet is different from general internet slang. Slang includes txt-tlk/SMS/hacker jargon and more. Internet slang is the over-arching group, while Leet is an offshoot. It's like merging mammal into dog. —[[User:Ctrl-Alt-Dimension|Ragdoll]] 05:26, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

:That relationship needs to be clearer in the articles then -- especially since people keep adding Leet to the [[List_of_Internet_slang]]. --[[User:Renice|Renice]] 14:18, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

== Sociological considerations - images ==

Have removed the following: [[:Image:Jeopardy-1337.jpg|thumb|An example of 1337 in [[Jeopardy]].]] [[Image:biddersrow.jpg|thumb|…and another on [[The Price is Right]].]]

as they seemed to be entirely irrelevant to the article. not everything that happens to include one thousand three hundred and thirty seven is a reference to internet slang. --[[User:Black Butterfly|Black Butterfly]] 12:04, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

:I reverted your edit pending discussion here. In both cases those numbers were specifically chosen i.e. did not randomly occur. --[[User:Rtrev|Rtrev]] 14:56, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
::If there's a ref for both of them being deliberate leet references, as oppose to the number happening to show up, then they should be re-inserted IMO....from first glance however it seemed to be two random occurances of that particular number. I may have been over-hasty. --[[User:Black Butterfly|Black Butterfly]] 15:01, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
::: In the Jeopardy reference (in which the CMU student places a bid of 1337 right before winning the series), by watching the show it is pretty obvious that most people (including the student wagering) got the joke except for Trebek. He was laughing quite openly in a manner that would not indicate that he randomly chose that number. Furthermore, he goes to CMU so the odds of him not realizing the number was a direct reference to his own culture are slim to none. Just my two cents (didn't see the price is right episode, and I don't have a link to a video of the Jeopardy win).
::: -[[User:SColombo|SColombo]] 22:02, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
:I'm pretty positive they're intentionally chosen because of the association, but I'd have no way of backing that up.—[[User:Ctrl-Alt-Dimension|Ragdoll]] 18:12, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

== Move to 1337? ==

The name of this "language" is 1337 not Leet. Shouldn't this article bear the same name? [[User:132.203.54.67|132.203.54.67]] 23:46, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

:Probably not not seeing as 1337 is already a page for the year 1337. I think that the article does a good enough job of explaining the difference between "leet" and "1337" and their employment in the system that it will not easily confuse. --[[User:Rtrev|Rtrev]] 01:45, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

== No ONOZ? ONOZ! ==

There's no subheading for "O Noes" and it's variants... [[User:Totema1|Totema1]] 02:11, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
:Find the relevant sources and add it, then. —[[User:Ctrl-Alt-Dimension|Ragdoll]] 23:44, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

== ZOMG ==

ZOMG currently stands for "Zombies Oh My God" [http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?Acronym=zomg&string=exact AcronymFinder.com]. Someone should address the section "Over-exclamation and other emphasis" and determine whether ZOMG started as a misskeyed Shift press, or started as a stronger form of OMG.
:Huh? It's just a twisted 'omg'. Also, 'whoamg'. I thought everyone knew that...--[[User:Falos|Falos]] 20:23, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
:That might be more appropriate in [[SMS language]] or [[internet slang]]. Acronyms are not Leet. —[[User:Ctrl-Alt-Dimension|Ragdoll]] 23:17, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
::OMG is an acronym and it's in this article. --[[User:Gbraing|Brain]] 03:16, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

== meh ---> Dr Zoidberg ==

Please expound on the example where Meh is attributed to Dr Zoidberg. I am VERY familiar with both the Simpsons and Futurama, but cannot place this reference.
:It doesn't matter, ''meh'' in this context isn't Leet and will be removed from this article. —[[User:Ctrl-Alt-Dimension|Ragdoll]] 22:16, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
:i agree with ragdoll

== Legacy of numeric pager code ==

The article mentioned several sources for Leet, but not [http://www.angelfire.com/ky/bussgobeep/beepercodes.html numeric pager code] &mdash; here referring not to number&rarr;message tables, but to the practice of spelling out English words using the blocky LED/LCD numbers ''turned upside down'' to represent letters, e.g. '''07734''' &rarr; '''hELLO'''. This is why '''1337''' &rarr; '''LEET''': the '''7''' is not '''T''', but an upside-down '''L'''. This is also why the word '''ELITE''' isn't used; in '''31173''' the doubled '''1''' would be unclear ('''TT'''? '''II'''? '''IT'''? '''TI'''?). <small>&thinsp;&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:SAJordan|''SAJordan'']]&nbsp;<sup>[[User_talk:SAJordan|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/SAJordan|contribs]]</sub>&nbsp;''09:05, 9 Nov 2006 (UTC).''</small>


:that's preety stupid --[[User:216.244.232.6|216.244.232.6]] 03:14, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

==10100111001==
There is a very short article [[10100111001]] it has been recommended for merge here. Does anyone have thoughts on a merge and redirect? <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Jeepday|Jeepday]] ([[User talk:Jeepday|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jeepday|contribs]]) 14:01, 12 November 2006.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->

:The above proposal received no dissent or other comments here. Subsequently, [[User:Walter_Görlitz|Walter Görlitz]] created a "Trivia" section summarizing the "10100111001" page, and that page now redirects to the "Leet" page. [[User:SAJordan|SAJordan]] added a citation to support the usage. [[User:Ctrl-Alt-Dimension|Ragdoll]] deleted the citation '''and''' the trivia section on the grounds of the cited reference ([http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=10100111001 Urban Dictionary]) not being a reliable source. SAJordan restored the "10100111001" details as a footnote, changing the citation to a [http://www.google.com/search?q=%2210100111001%22+%221337%22+leet&num=100 Google search] showing actual usage on the Web, with [[User_talk:Ctrl-Alt-Dimension#Leet_.3D_1337_.3D_10100111001|discussion at Ragdoll's talk page]]. Ragdoll deleted these again, this time as ..."so trivial as to be unuseful and uninteresting". See further discussion <s>at that talk page, unless it gets moved</s> here. Meanwhile, "10100111001" is showing up in technical illustrations (see [[:Commons:Image:Ami_encoding.svg|Ami_encoding.svg]], [[:Commons:Image:Manchester_encoding.svg|Manchester_encoding.svg]]) and T-shirts <small>([http://www.cafepress.com/buy/1337/leet/-/pv_design_prod/pg_1/p_storeid.26800842/pNo_26800842/id_8045399/opt_/fpt_/c_/hlv_t external/commercial/sales webpage] cited as proof, not to advertise)</small>. <small>&ndash; [[User:SAJordan|''SAJordan'']] <sup>[[User talk:SAJordan|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/SAJordan|contribs]]</sub> ''22:37, 14 Nov 2006 (UTC).''</small>

:With Ragdoll's permission, here is the discussion from that talk page:

:I put the claim back in, incorporating the number 10100111001 alone to main text (early paragraph), with explanation in footnote. Since wikis, blogs, and usenet posts are the only places documenting it yet (that I've found), I'm letting a Google search document '''actual Web usage''', "in the wild", so to speak. If you've got any suggestions for improvement, I'd love to hear them! <small>&ndash; [[User:SAJordan|''SAJordan'']] <sup>[[User talk:SAJordan|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/SAJordan|contribs]]</sub> ''03:27, 14 Nov 2006 (UTC).''</small>

::Yes, 1337 can be converted into binary, just like any other number. It's not notable.—[[User:Ctrl-Alt-Dimension|Ragdoll]] 15:10, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

:::The reason you gave for your previous deletion of the "10100111001" detail was merely that the cited reference on its usage (Urban Dictionary) wasn't a [[WP:RS|reliable source]], since anyone could edit it. That's why I tried to find another way to cite proof of the term's actual usage. If you'd given the present reason instead, I needn't have gone to that effort.

:::Not being notable is a good reason there shouldn't be a page on [[10100111001]], and accordingly the page that did exist on it was merged/redirected into [[Leet]], as proposed in [[Talk:Leet#10100111001]] (getting no dissent or other comment).

:::Many of the details in the "Leet" page, and in other pages, are not notable, which is why there are, and should be, no separate pages on those details. However, non-notability of details (within overall notable topics) is not a reason to delete those details from the overall pages, as I understand it. Or have I misunderstood?

:::Meanwhile, the very many sites where "10100111001" is used to mean "Leet", either openly or as an insider reference, even as an inside joke (see [[:Commons:Image:Ami_encoding.svg|Ami_encoding.svg]], [[:Commons:Image:Manchester_encoding.svg|Manchester_encoding.svg]]), provide a good reason to briefly mention it on the "Leet" page, with a brief explanation of '''why''' it means "Leet". I don't think that takes much space, or more than it's worth, especially as a footnote.

:::I think this discussion belongs on [[Talk:Leet]], but I'm reluctant to move text from your talk page (including your comment) without your OK. May I do so? Or if you would prefer to do so yourself, you have my OK. <small>&ndash; [[User:SAJordan|''SAJordan'']] <sup>[[User talk:SAJordan|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/SAJordan|contribs]]</sub> ''21:54, 14 Nov 2006 (UTC).''</small>

::::Go for it. I suppose it's better to get more opinions on this. —[[User:Ctrl-Alt-Dimension|Ragdoll]] 22:11, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

::::<center><small>''(end of moved text)''</small> <small>&ndash; [[User:SAJordan|''SAJordan'']] <sup>[[User talk:SAJordan|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/SAJordan|contribs]]</sub> ''23:09, 14 Nov 2006 (UTC).''</small></center>

::::: Since I incorporated it I will add these comments:
:::::# 10100111001 is ''a'' binary form of Leet and hence should be listed somewhere on this page. Other forms could be listed as suggested.
:::::# It is in use in the Leet community and should be documented somewhere on this page. It also conforms to the obfuscation of the form.
:::::# Unless you can think of a better place, I suggest that we leave the inclusion in a trivia section or somewhere similar.
:::::# I have no strong opinion that it has to stay, but I do have a strong opinion that it does not merit it own article in wikipedia and this is why I merged it.
::::: Bed time. --[[User:Walter Görlitz|Walter Görlitz]] 08:16, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

::::::Hoping this will survive future edits, I'm adding it ''entirely as a footnote'' (no in-body text) to this sentence in the second paragraph:<blockquote>For example, the term ''leet'' itself is often written ''l33t'', or ''1337'', and many other variations.<small>'''<nowiki><ref></nowiki>'''In keeping with the purpose of Leet, variations of its name have been deliberately obscure. After the decimal number ''1337'' became widely familiar, the [[Binary numeral system|binary]] version ''10100111001'' was used, e.g. as a puzzle[http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=10100111001 ''(a)''], an in-joke for technical illustrations[[:Commons:Image:Ami_encoding.svg|''(b)'']][[:Commons:Image:Manchester_encoding.svg|''(c)'']], and a T-shirt design[http://www.cafepress.com/buy/1337/leet/-/pv_design_prod/pg_1/p_storeid.26800842/pNo_26800842/id_8045399/opt_/fpt_/c_/hlv_t ''(d)'']. [http://www.google.com/search?q=%2210100111001%22+%221337%22+leet&num=100 This Google search] finds examples of the two number forms used together on the Web with the name ''Leet''.'''<nowiki></ref></nowiki>'''</small></blockquote>Will that be satisfactory to all parties? <small>&ndash; [[User:SAJordan|''SAJordan'']] <sup>[[User talk:SAJordan|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/SAJordan|contribs]]</sub> ''23:39, 17 Nov 2006 (UTC).''</small>
:::::::I think that's satisfactory. Looks good. —[[User:Ctrl-Alt-Dimension|Ragdoll]] 00:28, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

== Added section for -& ==

I added a section for -&, as I know I've seen it in use, mainly among message and image boards. I don't have a decent source for it, so if anyone could dig one up, that would be swell. If it is uncitable, and you'd prefer to remove it, I have no objection.

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~ That definatly needs to stay [[User:69.223.46.15|69.223.46.15]] 10:39, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

== Origins of 1337 ==

I heard that it originated from hackers during an FBI operation to catch hackers. Supposedly from Urban Dictionary, it was meant to confuse the agents as a cipher language (as was stated in the article) . Clarifaction? [[User:The velociraptor|The velociraptor]] 23:06, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
:: UrbanDoctionary is about as reliable a source as well... Wikipedia :)

I won't put this in the article itself since I have no sources to back it up, but I'll put it here in case it inspires anyone to dig out their old printouts (or ask Randy Ubillos, who ought to remember a thing or two himself :-). It might make a good addition to the article.

The use of digits and punctuation to obfuscate text on BBSs was inspired by the use of "Apple ][" in place of "Apple II". Apple BBS users in the late 1970s and early 1980s began using constructions such as "/\/\" for the letter M, especially in the names of these BBSs.

As the article notes, these BBSs used the word "elite" to refer to users with greater experience in hacking or a larger collection of pirated software, and this term was converted progressively to "ELEET" and "31337". This became "leet" or "1337".
10:25, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

== 1337 in Media ==

[http://www.boingboing.net/2006/11/15/it_crowd_dvd_has_sub.html]

The IT Crowd DVDs have just shipped -- with subtitles in leet! The IT Crowd is a convulsively funny British TV show about sysadmins, created by Graham Linehan, who is best known for writing the classic show Father Ted.

The IT Crowd's first six episodes ran last year on Channel 4, and was widely shared online, resulting in major commercial success, critical acclaim, and a renewed contract for another season of the show.

I was privileged to consult a little on the show, and I was able to connect Graham with uber-geek Yoz Grahame, who suggested that the disc carry subtitles in leet (or 1337), the letter/number substitution code used by gamers, hackers and other net-dwellers.

The disc is region-locked to Europe, but I hear that a US version is coming shortly. Link (Thanks, Damien!)

[[User:SkippyUK|SkippyUK]] 23:56, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

== vandalism ==

alot of people seem to be vandalizing this. wikipedia needs to lock it until it gets sorted out. someone replaced the letters in the leet cipher and syntax. ie the R is where the W should be.

I think a semi-protect would be good for this article; I went to look at it while it was in the middle of an edit/vandalism war.

== proposed edit ==

new user here...

i found one little typo i would suggest changing.
under the section ''Common Transliterations'', there is a note at the bottom of the chart with a '*' symbol. However, some of the letters (in the heading) are not appropriately marked with the '*'.
Those letters are: Y, Q, G, P

(is this where i'm supposed to submit this???)

[[User:Nathandiehl|Nathandiehl]] 19:34, 27 November 2006 (UTC)



Another proposed addition. Regarding "Word Endings: xor and zor", it is a possibility that this originates from the bitwise operator XOR ("Exclusive or"; see Wikipedia: Bitwise Operations). This would fit quite well with the computer-oriented origins of Leet.

[[User:SPQR210534]] 20:44, 22 January, 2007

== Spelling of naive ==
The i in naive only has one dot over it. This isn't French. [[User:198.111.39.24|198.111.39.24]] 17:38, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
:Actually, I'm pretty sure it's double-dotted. Just like how [[Pokémon]] has the thingy above the e. [[User:Crimson Shadow|Crimson Shadow]] 17:48, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

::Both spellings are correct. See Wiktionary's entry on "[[:wikt:naïve|naïve]]", and on "[[:wikt:naive|naive]]". (Each lists the other as an alternate spelling.) <small>&ndash; [[User:SAJordan|''SAJordan'']] <sup>[[User talk:SAJordan|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/SAJordan|contribs]]</sub> ''07:06, 29 Nov 2006 (UTC).''</small>

== Constructed Language? ==

Is 1337 a [[constructed language]] or a naturally evolved language of a culture (online [[gamers]])? I think it contains elements of both. And if it is a mix it should be mentioned in the list of constructed languages.--[[User:Exander|Exander]] 00:51, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

:I would argue that it is not a language at all. In some aspects it is jargon (the added words), in other aspects it is cipher (existing words disguised), but these are used ''within'' existing languages such as English or Russian. <small>&ndash; [[User:SAJordan|''SAJordan'']] <sup>[[User talk:SAJordan|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/SAJordan|contribs]]</sub> ''01:36, 4 Dec 2006 (UTC).''</small>

== Leet in software ==

It seems a version of [[VLC media player]] has been translated into leet speak. May be a good example of its pervasiveness (or use one of the screenshots as topic image?)
http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/vlc/0.8.1337/

Quoth the changelog :]
<blockquote>
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r10493 | d|0n034 | 2005-03-31 23:23:36 +0200 (j3u, 31 M4r 2005) | 2 1|n35

* 5m411 F|x35 (d4 |(0n (h4n63 5H0u1d n0W w0rk und0R W|nd0W5)
------------------------------------------------------------------------
</blockquote>
15:30, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

== I got Pink Acid Boots On ==

I remember an old ''Aliens Trilogy'' game for Genesis and other consoles having a cheat code, namely "1g0tp1nk8c1d800t50n". Could that go under an example of L33t? [[User:88.107.92.4|88.107.92.4]] 22:21, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

== Another possible picture ==
[[Image:Leet_Roadsign.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Leet Roadsign in Michigan, US.]]
Please consider this picture for inclusion in the article. This one is not contrived or created by people that are computer literate, but rather is a use of the word "leet" in a normal context, and so may be more appropriate for encyclopedic inclusion. --[[User:HanClinto|HanClinto]] 20:10, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
:Is the road ''named after'' the cipher, or is it just a coincidence? —[[User:Ctrl-Alt-Dimension|Ragdoll]] 18:52, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
::It's just a country road out in the middle of nowhere, between Niles and Edwardsburg in Michigan. I'm pretty sure that the road was there long before the cipher came into use (so it is, as you say, a coincidence). This picture was taken at the intersection of Leet Rd. and US 12. --[[User:HanClinto|HanClinto]] 19:36, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

== no one uses l33t any more ==

[[User:Glenbard west|Glenbard west]] 17:36, 13 December 2006 (UTC)it has come to my attention that people who are leet do not speek leet it is verry difficult to type 607 /\/\|1|< wile gaming any one who accually speeks leet is moast likely just a noob trying to be cool
Few people ever did use leet seriously as a method of encoding chat. However, it is still commonly used jokingly or tauntingly (Especially towards a person who uses leet on a regular basis). [[User:Deathstop|Deathstop]] 23:55, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
:j00 n00b! haxx0r wi11 4|ways use 133! n00b and pwn is still commonly used both are core words of leet.--[[User:71.164.185.189|71.164.185.189]] 01:27, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
:people use leet noobs overuse leet like that sentance people would bash you for that.

== Uber ==
It should probably be mentioned that a common alternate spelling of "uber" is "00ber" or "00b3r".

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~ First I've ever heard of that [[User:69.223.46.15|69.223.46.15]] 10:37, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

== Another example of Leet: ==

The artist Pink usually spells her name as "P!nk", as well as her album "M!zzundaztood" I haven't added it in the article, but I thought it needs a mention. [[User:88.107.26.105|88.107.26.105]] 12:29, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

:That's not 1337, its 1337 if you use the word "one" instead of an "i", as in "Ponenk" or "Monezzundaztood". lrn21337. [[User:12.41.40.20|12.41.40.20]] 18:53, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Hey buddy. using the word 'one' in a word doesnt make you 1337. It makes you gay. you use the number one, as '1' or 'P1nk'.

N00B0R


== Not even vaguely true ==
[[User:Shmirlywhirl|Shmirlywhirl]] 20:21, 10 January 2007 (UTC)


"<i>Leet originated within bulletin board systems (BBS) in the 1980s, where having "elite" status on a BBS allowed a user access to file folders, games, and special chat rooms. "</i>
== Good work ==


"Leet" predated BBSes by more than a decade. The term arose when someone noticed how the LCD (not LED) screens, when you had 1337 on it (there was a serif on the bottom of the "1") and looked at it upside down, it "spelled" "LEET"... this quickly made the rounds, I first encountered it ca. 1974 or 1975. Another one was "7734", which, with the open-4 (most text uses closed 4s), looked like "hELL" upside down.
This article is so fucking 1337. [[User:12.41.40.20|12.41.40.20]] 18:50, 29 December 2006 (UTC)


I haven't done anything to the entry, because I can't "document" this, but it's blatantly wrong. It should be elided, if not edited for correction. [[User:OBloodyHell|OBloodyHell]] ([[User talk:OBloodyHell|talk]]) 18:45, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
==Vandalism==


* Nah, this trick got its own article: you seem to be talking about the [[Calculator spelling]]; which indeed pre-dates t3h ([_]17[_]R3 of t3h 1337 h4xx0rz. The real 1337 starts when you try to obfuscate every word you type with <s>sum kewl 3l373 5pe1i/\/9</s> some cool elite spelling. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/81.89.66.133|81.89.66.133]] ([[User talk:81.89.66.133#top|talk]]) 14:01, 21 November 2022 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
This article is vandalised quite a bit; do you think we should be thinking about semi-protection? Or is it not vandalised enough? [[User:Crimson Shadow|Crimson Shadow]] 20:44, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
** OK, added "1337 upside down". Apparently, "leet"/"1337" make a great [[ambigram]]. [[Special:Contributions/81.89.66.133|81.89.66.133]] ([[User talk:81.89.66.133|talk]]) 15:24, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
:It's semi protected for now; hopefully the vandalism may tone itself down and we can remove the tag and have it be okay, but for now it is appropriate. -- [[User:Natalya|Nataly<font color="green">a</font>]] 03:48, 12 January 2007 (UTC)


::I doubt this article is correct in its claims of origin. Handheld calculators of the 1960s and '70s were mostly *only* able to output 7 bits corresponding to the straight lines in the numeral 8 (three vertical (top, middle, bottom) and two pairs of two (vertical on left and right)). With these building blocks, along with the digits 0 thru 9, various letters could be output: A, C, E, F, G, H, I, J, L, O, P, R, S, T, U, Y, and b, c, d, h, i, o, r (or lc gamma), u. (18 of English's 26). In the early 70's, I had a TI calculator that I could program to display those characters, and with a couple of two place code combinations the remaining 8 as well. This clearly was a predecessor of anything similar that appeared 10 years later. It seems like the leetspeak is far less 1:1 with the English alphabet, and that it is not just a superset of the calculator speak, but neglecting to give credit where credit is due is wrong.[[Special:Contributions/72.16.96.150|72.16.96.150]] ([[User talk:72.16.96.150|talk]]) 03:06, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
== I can't believe ==


== insulated-gate bipolar transistors? ==
That there's a big article about 1337 here. You've killed it now.


nobody would know what this means and it seems like a really random example - [[User:Awesomecat713|Awesomecat713]] ([[User talk:Awesomecat713|talk]]) 02:41, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
6r347 j08, 6uy5! <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/68.50.104.155|68.50.104.155]] ([[User talk:68.50.104.155|talk]]) 07:45, 23 January 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->
:Killed what? A language? Languages are not killed by being spoken, they are killed by not being spoken. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/168.209.97.34|168.209.97.34]] ([[User talk:168.209.97.34|talk]]) 10:35, 27 January 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->
Its not a language.... at all! I think there should be a paragraph about how it is mostly used by teenagers or fat 40 yr old virgins who still live with their mothers


:My, my, ironially, early Internet users born in 1987 had to face the leeth' peak [[Special:Contributions/109.252.65.192|109.252.65.192]] ([[User talk:109.252.65.192|talk]]) 22:23, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
If you think wiki has killed 1337, there's a really funny video out on the tubes somewhere called "All Your Base Are Belong to US"... I bet you would find that funny since it is brand new. [[User:Mcas|Mcas]] 01:44, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
:IGBT fits along with LCD displays - things popular in the previous century. The laptop in the title photo also appears to be made somewhere in the 90's or 2000. [[Special:Contributions/81.89.66.133|81.89.66.133]] ([[User talk:81.89.66.133|talk]]) 08:01, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
::Could you post a link to that? [[User:Hangfromthefloor|Hangfromthefloor]] 20:04, 16 February 2007 (UTC)


== This page ought to have recent history documented==
==Theories==
I added another creation theory for pwned, that a Warcraft mapmaker misspelled owned in his ending message. I dont know if it should stay or not. My source was b.net chatrooms and wikipedia...
[[User:Toothturtle|Toothturtle]] 23:02, 30 January 2007 (UTC)toothturtle
:That's the theory I've heard too, so I think it should stay. --[[User:Gbraing|Brain]] 03:22, 1 February 2007 (UTC)


Leet has been out of fashion for many years now, and it only ever sees use with nostalgic connotations. The history of its use should be documented, lest we forget when it was actually relevant. [[Special:Contributions/62.198.142.189|62.198.142.189]] ([[User talk:62.198.142.189|talk]]) 22:12, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
==horribly wrong==
zoorz and zor is making fun of noobs who are trying to use leet. saying something like "oh i just pwnzorzd you" is making fun of a noob who thinks that hes good. and people dont write whole sentances in leet theyll right a couple letters anything else and your a noob trying to use leet. This article has alot wrong like someone who says omg!!!11 is a noob ones after exclimation marks is like your wetting your pants in excitment and no one likes to see that. leet is used as emphasis mostly + most of those things like gom as omg is just plain misspelling or somekid trying to make his own little addition to leet so another thing is this article cant be written on second hand sources i dont know what their called becuase the people that write those are the noobs and most of the people who will give you information on it are the noobs about 1 in a hundred people who "know leet" arent noobs. so i know that this article cant bet completly correct ever but i want to correct some things that are just plain wrong. like this sentance in the grammer section "OMFG D00d Bob is t3h UBER 1337 R0XX0RZ LOL"
shouldnt have the lol at the end roxxorz is used by noobs leet is still called leet people dont use 1337 in a sentance if their describing something as leet they use leet or l33t 1337 is something everyone knows but no one really says uber is like a joke teh its own word a 3 dosent belong in it dood is misspelled no one says dood unless they not only a noob but are also uncool and finally omfg most people immdiatly dislike you when you shout swear words so dont start a sentance with them. in leet bob rocks would probably just change to something like bob pwns. also never capitalize anything if its not important or you become a caps spammer. there IS a diffrence between leet and noob leet. and a person who knows leet genrally dosent have to worry about getting shot while typing becuase its whole purpose is to shorten how much you have to type and most of them can type faster then they can talk.
newbie = just plain new its not their fault, newb = new and annoying, noob = not new but not good, n00b = insult they not new so they have no excuse for being rude its not so much a comment on their skills as a comment on them, nub = kid. sorry for it being so long but if i didnt let someone know it was wrong idve had to shoot myself. {{unsigned2|2007-02-07 21:31:07|69.205.121.168}}


:I disagree, as it still has relevance in 202X, as various gamers still use l33t-like orthography modifications to go around a plethora of already taken and abandoned nicknames on Steam. Or to insult or cuss or both thru a filter (see '''Algospeak''' subsection for examples). [[Special:Contributions/81.89.66.133|81.89.66.133]] ([[User talk:81.89.66.133|talk]]) 15:39, 16 January 2024 (UTC)


== not sure how the algospeak section is relevant ==
There is a "citation needed" as follows:


" Algospeak shares conceptual similarities with leet, albeit with its primary purpose to circumvent algorithmic censorship online."
"While the intentional transposition of letters in language is novel [citation needed], Davis and Rawlinson have demonstrated that readers of most languages are capable of understanding the meaning of a word, provided complex phonemes and diphthongs are not corrupted [citation needed]."


" Variants of leet have been used to evade censorship for many years; "
I've found two web pages that may help; as a newb, I'm reluctant to cite w/o confirmation


algospeak is essentially just derivative vocabulary of leet that has popularized itself from tiktok, but i don't see how it's significant in differentiating the two, other than the relevance of people using it alternatively in present day. I don't think it needs its own section because this topic is on leet specifically, and I feel like algospeak should be its own topic page that directs to leets origins, not the other way around.
Matt Davis is credited with authoring page http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/~mattd/Cmabrigde/ which, at the bottom, links to http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/~mattd/Cmabrigde/newscientist_letter.html, a copy of a letter written by Graham Rawlinson to the New Scientist in 1999. [[User:AspasiaDemar|AspasiaDemar]] 20:50, 7 February 2007 (UTC)


I don't necessarily think that " The approach has gained more popularity in 2023 and 2024 due to the rise in conflict between Israel and Gaza with the topic's contentious nature on the Internet, especially on Meta and TikTok platforms" is relevant either, this is a subsection of the internet trying to tie leet and algospeech in the formative communication system in people regarding current events. i've been active in social media discussing the war against gaza and not once have I seen anything related to algospeak, I didn't even know what that was.
I believe that the title of this page should be changed to l337, 1337, 1337sp33k, et cetera, or at least a redirect page from these keywords should be added.
ty ub3r l33tz0r!n' h4x0rz!
--[[User:Gizwidget|Gizwidget]] 02:04, 11 February 2007 (UTC)


also I don't get how examples like "restarded" "(provides) either the same general meaning, pronunciation, or shape of the original word." in a context that " evade automated online moderation techniques, especially those that are <u>''considered unfair or hindering free speech''</u>. " really???
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also i'm pretty sure using words like "unalive" refer to people who blacklist triggering words like suicide so they don't see them in an irrelevant context, and using the softer alternative is primarily used by people providing information on a subject or event as they are aware of those who blacklist those words.
~ '''13375p33|<''' is the best spelling [[User:69.223.46.15|69.223.46.15]] 10:34, 18 February 2007 (UTC)


this whole section is a mess [[User:Contributioncat|Contributioncat]] ([[User talk:Contributioncat|talk]]) 07:05, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
== Just a Note ==
Artstsym: I can't edit this as I am a new user, but I think it should be noted that the original pokemon games (red+blue) had several referances to "kekekeke" and "fufufufu" in demon possesed spirit channelers and team rocket members, respectively. Also, I didn't know any microwaves had military time. 1337 4 3\/3R!


:H0ld 0n, 7here 15 a 600/) 12eason to mention 4160speak.
==Leet in math (Math is 1337)==
:1337speak - obfuscates text a li'l to avoid getting b&ed by mods.
:4160speak - again, obfuscates text a li'l to avoid getting b&ed by mods.
:4150
:"Restarted people" in place of "retarded people" - makes sense in general context
:4150
:f11111111111111111111111111111ne. BRB fixing. [[Special:Contributions/81.89.66.133|81.89.66.133]] ([[User talk:81.89.66.133|talk]]) 13:05, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
:Agreed. Petition to spin off Algospeak as its own article, since its lexicon is so distinct from leet, and the demographic creating it is so disconnected from the demographic that created leet. Given how alive and dynamic algospeak is, it no longer makes sense to have the two share a page. --[[User:Quintopia|Quintopia]] ([[User talk:Quintopia|talk]]) 16:59, 14 March 2024 (UTC)


== "Alternatively, an abbreviation can be leet-ified into a valid hexadecimal color code" ==
1+3+3=7 ( 1 + 3 + 3 = 7)


Just in case: the examples in the section are not really random; rather, every one of them has some association to it.
Math is indeed leet. That is also the best math problem ever.
*614D05 - the shade of dark brown-gold can be found in Portal and Portal 2 - in-game - at nearly every ''Aperture Science'' workspace computer's screen
*572E55 - the dark purple color is strongly associated with dangerous energy in [[anime]] a lot.
*C47C47 - the funny orange shade reminds me of the one fur of calicos and orange cats have... not Marrocan oranges' hue.


The C01025 is an exception, it's a pun on the very word "Color(s)".
(added it at the bottom after "leet in the internet"... .)


Good colors:
I also added on to a few of the other entries.
** <span style="color:#B07713">█</span> "B07713" is a dark orange color, resembling of one fround in SiO<sup>2</sup> bottles;


Counterexamples:
[[User:69.223.46.15|69.223.46.15]] 10:22, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
* 748452 for "tabasq", e.g. ''tabasco'': the green color is associated with bell pepper or halapenjo sauce made of green peppers... not tabasco sauce.
* Deep blue for 1C1641 (coming from [[Ikigai]]) is not really creating a strong association.
[[Special:Contributions/81.89.66.133|81.89.66.133]] ([[User talk:81.89.66.133|talk]]) 11:37, 8 July 2024 (UTC)


== Original research tag ==
=== List of colors ===


List of colors to not add in the article for not bearing an association with the initial word:
This is bogus. If the lol section has original research/unverified claims, so does the parts about suxxors, noob, and the like. An article like this will have a little original research, because this is about a trend, and not many people in the higher ups will write about this, particularly because it is slang. Either remove it or tag the rest of the art. Comments?
Quatreryukami 15:28, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


** <span style="color:#748452">█</span> "748452" (TABASQ, reference to Tabasco sauce);
== Small change ==
** <span style="color:#1C1641">█</span> "1C1641" is a dark blue color, coming from the word "IKIGAI";
** <span style="color:#D1234D">█</span> "D1234D" is a color, coming from the word "DREAD" (where R is encoded as "12");
** <span style="color:#C47713">█</span> "C47713" is a color coming from the word "CATTLE" (one could say it has something to do with leather though);


I took out the reference to half-life 1 and 2 in the beginning, because strictly speaking, they're not multiplayer games and Counter-Strike and Team Fortress are half-life mods, which made it seem like half-life is dominated by leet-speakers, when in fact it's not (I won't argue about CS, though. :P). Someone please add more games to that list if necessary; I myself haven't had any experiences that would warrant mentioning here. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/68.44.212.188|68.44.212.188]] ([[User talk:68.44.212.188|talk]]) 03:38, 26 February 2007 (UTC).<


[[User:68.44.212.188|68.44.212.188]] 02:49, 27 February 2007 (UTC)




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Not even vaguely true

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"Leet originated within bulletin board systems (BBS) in the 1980s, where having "elite" status on a BBS allowed a user access to file folders, games, and special chat rooms. "

"Leet" predated BBSes by more than a decade. The term arose when someone noticed how the LCD (not LED) screens, when you had 1337 on it (there was a serif on the bottom of the "1") and looked at it upside down, it "spelled" "LEET"... this quickly made the rounds, I first encountered it ca. 1974 or 1975. Another one was "7734", which, with the open-4 (most text uses closed 4s), looked like "hELL" upside down.

I haven't done anything to the entry, because I can't "document" this, but it's blatantly wrong. It should be elided, if not edited for correction. OBloodyHell (talk) 18:45, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I doubt this article is correct in its claims of origin. Handheld calculators of the 1960s and '70s were mostly *only* able to output 7 bits corresponding to the straight lines in the numeral 8 (three vertical (top, middle, bottom) and two pairs of two (vertical on left and right)). With these building blocks, along with the digits 0 thru 9, various letters could be output: A, C, E, F, G, H, I, J, L, O, P, R, S, T, U, Y, and b, c, d, h, i, o, r (or lc gamma), u. (18 of English's 26). In the early 70's, I had a TI calculator that I could program to display those characters, and with a couple of two place code combinations the remaining 8 as well. This clearly was a predecessor of anything similar that appeared 10 years later. It seems like the leetspeak is far less 1:1 with the English alphabet, and that it is not just a superset of the calculator speak, but neglecting to give credit where credit is due is wrong.72.16.96.150 (talk) 03:06, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

insulated-gate bipolar transistors?

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nobody would know what this means and it seems like a really random example - Awesomecat713 (talk) 02:41, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

My, my, ironially, early Internet users born in 1987 had to face the leeth' peak 109.252.65.192 (talk) 22:23, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
IGBT fits along with LCD displays - things popular in the previous century. The laptop in the title photo also appears to be made somewhere in the 90's or 2000. 81.89.66.133 (talk) 08:01, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This page ought to have recent history documented

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Leet has been out of fashion for many years now, and it only ever sees use with nostalgic connotations. The history of its use should be documented, lest we forget when it was actually relevant. 62.198.142.189 (talk) 22:12, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree, as it still has relevance in 202X, as various gamers still use l33t-like orthography modifications to go around a plethora of already taken and abandoned nicknames on Steam. Or to insult or cuss or both thru a filter (see Algospeak subsection for examples). 81.89.66.133 (talk) 15:39, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

not sure how the algospeak section is relevant

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" Algospeak shares conceptual similarities with leet, albeit with its primary purpose to circumvent algorithmic censorship online."

" Variants of leet have been used to evade censorship for many years; "

algospeak is essentially just derivative vocabulary of leet that has popularized itself from tiktok, but i don't see how it's significant in differentiating the two, other than the relevance of people using it alternatively in present day. I don't think it needs its own section because this topic is on leet specifically, and I feel like algospeak should be its own topic page that directs to leets origins, not the other way around.

I don't necessarily think that " The approach has gained more popularity in 2023 and 2024 due to the rise in conflict between Israel and Gaza with the topic's contentious nature on the Internet, especially on Meta and TikTok platforms" is relevant either, this is a subsection of the internet trying to tie leet and algospeech in the formative communication system in people regarding current events. i've been active in social media discussing the war against gaza and not once have I seen anything related to algospeak, I didn't even know what that was.

also I don't get how examples like "restarded" "(provides) either the same general meaning, pronunciation, or shape of the original word." in a context that " evade automated online moderation techniques, especially those that are considered unfair or hindering free speech. " really???

also i'm pretty sure using words like "unalive" refer to people who blacklist triggering words like suicide so they don't see them in an irrelevant context, and using the softer alternative is primarily used by people providing information on a subject or event as they are aware of those who blacklist those words.

this whole section is a mess Contributioncat (talk) 07:05, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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1337speak - obfuscates text a li'l to avoid getting b&ed by mods.
4160speak - again, obfuscates text a li'l to avoid getting b&ed by mods.
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"Restarted people" in place of "retarded people" - makes sense in general context
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f11111111111111111111111111111ne. BRB fixing. 81.89.66.133 (talk) 13:05, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. Petition to spin off Algospeak as its own article, since its lexicon is so distinct from leet, and the demographic creating it is so disconnected from the demographic that created leet. Given how alive and dynamic algospeak is, it no longer makes sense to have the two share a page. --Quintopia (talk) 16:59, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Alternatively, an abbreviation can be leet-ified into a valid hexadecimal color code"

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Just in case: the examples in the section are not really random; rather, every one of them has some association to it.

  • 614D05 - the shade of dark brown-gold can be found in Portal and Portal 2 - in-game - at nearly every Aperture Science workspace computer's screen
  • 572E55 - the dark purple color is strongly associated with dangerous energy in anime a lot.
  • C47C47 - the funny orange shade reminds me of the one fur of calicos and orange cats have... not Marrocan oranges' hue.

The C01025 is an exception, it's a pun on the very word "Color(s)".

Good colors:

    • █ "B07713" is a dark orange color, resembling of one fround in SiO2 bottles;

Counterexamples:

  • 748452 for "tabasq", e.g. tabasco: the green color is associated with bell pepper or halapenjo sauce made of green peppers... not tabasco sauce.
  • Deep blue for 1C1641 (coming from Ikigai) is not really creating a strong association.

81.89.66.133 (talk) 11:37, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of colors

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List of colors to not add in the article for not bearing an association with the initial word:

    • █ "748452" (TABASQ, reference to Tabasco sauce);
    • █ "1C1641" is a dark blue color, coming from the word "IKIGAI";
    • █ "D1234D" is a color, coming from the word "DREAD" (where R is encoded as "12");
    • █ "C47713" is a color coming from the word "CATTLE" (one could say it has something to do with leather though);



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