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== Warren Beatty, Shirley MacLaine and A. A. MacLeod ==

== Technical question about the long hyphen ==

Hi!

I've been editing the timeline of Polermo where the long hyphen dominates, but I can't seem to generate one.Typing a regular hyphen, gives me just that - a regular hyphen, typing two hyphens gives me two hyphens (--) and trying to make one through the keboard shortcut which I found on internet forums (Alt+0151), just gives me one that's too long (—). So far I've been copying and pasting existing long hyphens which is kind of annoying, does anyone have any better solutions?

Thanks! [[User:Moonshane1933|Moonshane1933]] ([[User talk:Moonshane1933|talk]]) 14:38, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

:Hello, @[[User:Moonshane1933|Moonshane1933]]. I think you're talking about an em-dash. See [[MOS:EMDASH]] [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 14:52, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
::Yes! That's what I meant! Thank you! [[User:Moonshane1933|Moonshane1933]] ([[User talk:Moonshane1933|talk]]) 15:15, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
:I don't think you could find a better character in '''"unicode table"'''.
:This "[[List of Unicode characters|article]]" is listing the most common characters. <br /> <br />
:There are also the "[[Unicode block]]" entry on Wikipedia that can be maybe helpful. [[User:Anatole-berthe|Anatole-berthe]] ([[User talk:Anatole-berthe|talk]]) 14:54, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
::Excellent. Thank you too! [[User:Moonshane1933|Moonshane1933]] ([[User talk:Moonshane1933|talk]]) 15:16, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
:::I don't think ressources I shared with you will help you but I hope it will. [[User:Anatole-berthe|Anatole-berthe]] ([[User talk:Anatole-berthe|talk]]) 15:45, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

:Ignoring the [[Minus sign]], there are three 'horizontal line' characters most commonly used in text, the hyphen, the [[N-dash]] and the [[M-dash]]. There are various ways to insert the latter two; usually I do so with [alt]+0150 and [alt]+0151. Despite being a former professional book editor, I have not previously encountered a "long hyphen" (a term not found anywhere in Wikipedia). Note that the lengths of all these characters may look different in different typefaces: I suspect your "long hyphen" is an N-dash. [Apologies for semi-overlap with answers above.] {The poster formerly known as 897.81.230.195} [[Special:Contributions/94.1.223.204|94.1.223.204]] ([[User talk:94.1.223.204|talk]]) 17:00, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Moonshane1933|Moonshane1933]] If you use the source editor, which you can do even if you mainly edit with the visual editor, you'll find that the N-dash and M-dash appear at the foot of the editing window, where you can click on them to insert them into text. Other useful tags like <nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki> are also available with a single click. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 14:11, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:::OOOOOOOHHHH... THANK YOU! That makes life easier! I hadn't even thought of looking at the source editor, because it always looks headache inducing to me. I'll give it a try. Thank you so much. [[User:Moonshane1933|Moonshane1933]] ([[User talk:Moonshane1933|talk]]) 13:07, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
::Yes, well, the "long hyphen" is a term that I coined, simply because I lacked the knowledge of its correct name, So I would have been very surprised if it had appeared in Wikipedia. Anyway, thank you, oh mysterious IP poster, I hope our paths cross again! [[User:Moonshane1933|Moonshane1933]] ([[User talk:Moonshane1933|talk]]) 13:03, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Moonshane1933|Moonshane1933]], some Christmas goodies for you:
:::— [https://www.merriam-webster.com/grammar/em-dash-en-dash-how-to-use Merriam-Webster Dictionary] has a nice clear explanation about the both kinds of dashes and the hyphen, with good examples.
:::— The way the two kindts of dashes is written is '''em-dash''' (for '''—)''' and '''en-dash''' ( for '''– )''', even though we pronounce the terms "''M dash''" and "''N dash''."
:::— Why these terns? Because the em-dash is exactly the width of capital ''M'' and the en-dash is exactly the width of capital ''N.''
:::— If you have a Macintosh, there's a real simple way to make the dashes: the '''em-dash''' by pressing Control Option Hyphen at the same time, and the '''en-dash''' by pressing Option Hyphen at the same time.
:::—Did you notice how [[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] creatively renamed Dasher, one of Santa Claus's eight reindeer, in his "Seasonal Greetings from all at the Teahouse" post to fellow editors below?
:::—You may be pleased to know that I found [https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=long+hyphen&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 an online reference to a "long hyphen."] So, then, you weren't completely alone in doing that. But as [[Special:Contributions/94.1.223.204|94.1.223.204]] commented above, in professional editing we just don't use it. Like [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]], )I think anyone who ''did'' say "long hyphen''"'' would probably be thinking of the em-dash; though I also think what [[Special:Contributions/94.1.223.204|94.1.223.204]] said above is also technically correct, that the term would have to refer to the en-dash (that's the next size up for a hyphen, after all). [[User:Augnablik|Augnablik]] ([[User talk:Augnablik|talk]]) 06:08, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Augnablik|Augnablik]], What a great reply! I thoroughly enjoyed every bit of it! And I learned a lot (not to detract from the other contributors, each of whom taught me something new - thanks, everybody) - a special thank you for the meanings of the em-dash and en-dash (I love that type of thing), and for drawing my attention to Nick Moyes' "Seasonal Greetings", and of course for finding me an ally in calling the en-dash a "Long hyphen" (don't worry, now that I know the correct terminology I will use it and hopefully amaze my friends...). Thank you again and Merry Christmas! [[User:Moonshane1933|Moonshane1933]] ([[User talk:Moonshane1933|talk]]) 12:58, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Augnablik|Augnablik]] Not to be a naysayer, but I think the bit about em dashes being named for being 'M' width is a false etymology. I too would have loved if it were true, but I think it's actually based on the [[em (typography)|em]] unit as described in [[Dash#Em dash]]. &thinsp;—&thinsp;[[User:Kilvin the Futz-y Enterovirus|Kilvin the Futz-y Enterovirus]] ([[User talk:Kilvin the Futz-y Enterovirus|talk]]) 10:23, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Well, @Kilvin the Futz-y Enterovirus, not to be a counter-naysayer (!) but there are many online sites with support for the width of the em-dash equal to M and of the en-dash equal to N. [https://www.grammarly.com/blog/punctuation-capitalization/dash/ Here’s just one, offered by Grammarly]. (Scroll down to ''What Is an En-Dash?'' and ''What Is an Em-Dash?'') [[User:Augnablik|Augnablik]] ([[User talk:Augnablik|talk]]) 12:06, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::Hm... not to be a counter-{{hairspace}}''counter''-{{hairspace}}naysayer I mean I don't really think {{'}}''many online sites''{{'}} and Grammarly (unsourced, could just be mirroring untrustworthy sources) are [[WP:RS]]. But you're right; my searches show similar results and don't really yield great answers to this matter (ideally there'd be a page like "Many people say that an em dash is named for X, but actually it is Y, and this misconception came from Z" linking to many reliable sources). I guess my personal bias is towards the people going "false etymology!" that acknowledge both X and Y rather than one group who simply assert the "fun" explanation with seemingly no awareness of the other explanation. I mean, as linked previously, the [[em (typography)|em]] and [[en (typography)|en]] are typographical units whose pages describe their origins, even addressing [[Em (typography)#Obsolete alternative definition]]. &thinsp;—&thinsp;[[User:Kilvin the Futz-y Enterovirus|Kilvin the Futz-y Enterovirus]] ([[User talk:Kilvin the Futz-y Enterovirus|talk]]) 22:53, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::Oooh, @[[User:Kilvin the Futz-y Enterovirus|Kilvin the Futz-y Enterovirus]], you’re acknowledging “personal bias” towards “false etymology?” That requires a declaration of COI! 🙂 [[User:Augnablik|Augnablik]] ([[User talk:Augnablik|talk]]) 18:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Aha! I found something! In the Historical thesaurus on the [https://www.oed.com/dictionary/em-dash_n?tab=meaning_and_use#1428570550100 OED] site. And I quote:
::::::::"'''[https://www.oed.com/dictionary/em-dash_n?tab=meaning_and_use#1428570550 em dash]1836-''' A long dash ''—'', originally and usually the width of one em (see ''em'', ''n.'')." [[User:Moonshane1933|Moonshane1933]] ([[User talk:Moonshane1933|talk]]) 13:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

== Can I be someone’s mentee? ==

I am very interested in having a mentor to guide me through Wikipedia. I’ve been lurking here since I was little but I wanted to contribute seriously and be a part of a community. If anyone accepts my offer, thank you so much <3

i know about the adopt a user page, but I don’t know who to pick from there. [[User:DooplissTTYD|'''Doopliss''' 👻 (she)]] | [[User talk:DooplissTTYD|''Creepy Steeple'' 🏚️ ]] 06:32, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:DooplissTTYD|DooplissTTYD]] Do you have the [[Wikipedia:Growth_Team_features#Newcomer_homepage|Newcomer homepage]] activated? You should have a "Your mentor" box there. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 08:53, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
::Yes, but I don’t see a mentor box anywhere, just add email, suggested edits, your impact and how to get help. I’m on mobile. [[User:DooplissTTYD|'''Doopliss''' 👻 (she)]] | [[User talk:DooplissTTYD|''Creepy Steeple'' 🏚️ ]] 17:40, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Hmm, in mobile view I see it under "Your impact." [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 18:03, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
::::I’m on mobile web, on an iPhone. Still don’t see it and I tapped on the your impact. Do I have to get assigned one first or… [[User:DooplissTTYD|'''Doopliss''' 👻 (she)]] | [[User talk:DooplissTTYD|''Creepy Steeple'' 🏚️ ]] 20:00, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
:Hello, {{u|DooplissTTYD}}! The mentorship program automatically assigns every user a mentor, but only randomly selected editors in a set percentage (I think currently 25 or 50%, but I’m not sure) receive access to a homepage feature allowing them to ask questions. This is because the English Wikipedia doesn’t have enough mentors yet for the full volume of new accounts. This means that while you have a mentor, you have no way to see that because you’re in the percentage without the “Ask a question” module, so neither you nor your mentor know the other exists. It looks like your mentor is {{u|{{#mentor:DooplissTTYD}}}}; I’d suggest asking on [[User talk:{{#mentor:DooplissTTYD}}|their talk page]] if they’d mentor you. You should be in good hands there, but if you have any issues, feel free to comment further here or on [[User talk:Perfect4th|my talk page]] and I’d be happy to help out however you need! Happy editing, [[User:Perfect4th|Perfect4th]] ([[User talk:Perfect4th|talk]]) 20:51, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks 🙏 [[User:DooplissTTYD|'''Doopliss''' 👻 (she)]] | [[User talk:DooplissTTYD|''Creepy Steeple'' 🏚️ ]] 21:01, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Perfect4th|Perfect4th]] Just to point out that [[WP:GTF]] says that all new accounts on en:Wikipedia now get mentors. We could still do with more, experienced, editors signing up so we get on average fewer mentees per mentor. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 15:03, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Looks like the full features are deployed, but the [[Wikipedia:Growth Team features#Deployment|#Deployment]] section says 50% of new accounts receive the mentorship feature. It seems to be tagged with a needs update though, so perhaps it's changed again (I've lost track). [[User:Perfect4th|Perfect4th]] ([[User talk:Perfect4th|talk]]) 21:01, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

== WikiProjects ==

Hello,

Wished to know how to contact the members of a certain WikiProject for help regarding a certain topic under the jurisdiction of that WikiProject. To be specific, I wish to contact members of [[WP:INDIA]] and [[WP:RIVERS]] for assistance, but the respective WikiProject description pages weren't of much help. I also fear asking questions on WikiProject talk pages, seeing as some WikiProject talk page inquiries take forever to get attended to. Please help me out! Thanks, <span style="background-color: black; padding: 2px 3px 1px 3px;">[[User:Dissoxciate|<span style="color: greenyellow">'''Dissoxciate'''</span>]] [[User talk:Dissoxciate|<span style="color: turquoise">(talk)</span>]]</span> 23:25, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

:WikiProject talk pages are the main way to do it, but as you noticed, a lot of them just aren't that active. One other thing you could do would be to find out which individual editors are active in the area and reach out to them directly. Though you might have some luck on the WikiProject talk page for India, since that's a larger topic with a more active editor base. [[User:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:#324717">The</span><span style="color:#45631f">big</span><span style="color:#547826">ugly</span><span style="color:#68942f">alien</span>]] ([[User talk:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:sienna">talk</span>]]) 04:16, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

::Thanks for the heads-up, {{U|Thebiguglyalien}}. I'll see if I can make that work. Any other tips or suggestions that I could try out? <span style="background-color: black; padding: 2px 3px 1px 3px;">[[User:Dissoxciate|<span style="color: greenyellow">'''Dissoxciate'''</span>]] [[User talk:Dissoxciate|<span style="color: turquoise">(talk)</span>]]</span> 09:57, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

== Updating my organization's Wikipedia page ==

Hello there. I work for [[Lane Community College|Lane Community College]]. Our Wikipedia page hasn't been updated for a decade. It was outdated, overly long, and felt biased. I've never edited a Wikipedia page before, so I didn't make an account. I just dove in. I tried to make it as concise, accurate, and objective as possible with many references. But now I'm worried that it will all be deleted. I've made an account now and am hoping to get forgiveness for any faux pas I may have committed and guidance on how to do this better in the future. [[User:Tythetitan|Tythetitan]] ([[User talk:Tythetitan|talk]]) 00:55, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

:I think the biased view may come from one of the heavy contributors @[[User:Grand'mere Eugene|Grand'mere Eugene]] who was a member faculty. The [[Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest|COI]] is disclosed on their user Talk page. The insider knowledge may have contributed to the detailed history of the school. There is a [[Talk:Lane_Community_College|Talk page]] for the article that might benefit from discussion and [[Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest#howtodisclose|disclosure]]. [[User:Just Al|Just Al]] ([[User talk:Just Al|talk]]) 01:23, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
::{{U|Tythetitan}}, your first edits are fine. The history I included was largely from a detailed document posted on the LCC website, so a primary source written by the director of Research and Planning, the text of which was posted long before I began to work there. Like you, I was inexperienced and just plunged in.
::I appreciate your edits so far, and am glad to see the updates, but we each have COIs because of our work at LCC. The article can still benefit from other editors' contributions, and the Teahouse is the best place to seek that help. [[User:Grand&#39;mere Eugene|— Grand&#39;mere Eugene]] ([[User talk:Grand&#39;mere Eugene|talk]]) 04:13, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
:Hello, @[[User:Tythetitan|Tythetitan]], and welcome to the Teahouse. If you work for the college, please do declare your status as a [[WP:paid editor|paid editor]] - this is mandatory, whereas declaring a COI is strongly encouraged.
:To both of you, you and @[[User:Grand'mere Eugene|Grand'mere Eugene]]: the best way for you to suggest changes to the article is to use the [[WP:Edit request wizard|Edit request wizard]] to raise eidt requests on the article's talk page. Be as specific as possible (eg "In para starting... replace ... with ...") and remember to include a source for any information you wish to insert - if possible, a source independent of the College.
:Remember that this is an encyclopaedia, not a marketing tool, so information does not become invalid simply because it is no longer current (though sometimes the way it is described needs changing). Remember too that {{HD/WINI}} In my opinion, the article is full of promotional language.
:As for the logo - I see that the College's website has a different logo at the top, but is still using the one in the article further down. If that "60" logo is a temporary one in use only for the year, then I would argue that it should certainly not replace the logo in the Infobox. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 21:27, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

== Add a page? ==

Hello - How can somebody submit a page for a notable person? My husband has one of the country's worst wrongful convictions in the United States and I'd love to have somebody neutral put information up regarding his wrongful conviction case. We believe he will be exonerated someday. His name is Temujin Kensu and you can google search his name to learn more about this horrible case. Thank you! [[Special:Contributions/65.111.210.82|65.111.210.82]] ([[User talk:65.111.210.82|talk]]) 06:21, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
:Based on my Google search, I consider it almost certain that Temujin Kensu is notable and that Wikipedia ought to have an article about him. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 07:39, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
::For anyone interested in starting a draft [https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=007734830908295939403:galkqgoksq0#gsc.tab=0&gsc.q=Temujin%20Kensu some of these Google hits] could easily be used to pass [[WP:GNG]]. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 12:21, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Realistically, you may not get a volunteer. Teahouse Hosts volunteer here to advise, not to be authors or co-authors. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 20:18, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
:If your husband is [[Wikipedia:Notability|notable]] enough, he will be talked about. [[User:SimpleSubCubicGraph|SimpleSubCubicGraph]] ([[User talk:SimpleSubCubicGraph|talk]]) 05:37, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:IP editor: I have now started to draft an article at [[Draft:Temujin Kensu]]. In view of your [[WP:PSCOI|conflict of interest]] it would be best if you did not edit it directly (although that's not forbidden while it remains a draft). I would welcome your suggestions for additions and corrections at [[Draft talk:Temujin Kensu]], especially where you can provide additional published sources I can use. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 12:47, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

== WIKI:AOPLACES is like saying all Wikipedia articles are unreliable. ==

What’s the difference between an AO place article and a Wikipedia article? I used an AO place article in the mystery coke machine of Seattle page and got good faith reverted. Would you get goodfaith reverted if you used a Wikipedia article as source for another article?? [[User:Xanzs|Xanzs]] ([[User talk:Xanzs|talk]]) 16:28, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
:Hi [[User:Xanzs|Xanzs]], you should be reverted, as Wikipedia is not a reliable source, please see [[WP:RSPWP]] for the details - [[User:Arjayay|Arjayay]] ([[User talk:Arjayay|talk]]) 16:32, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
::SO YOU ADMIT! I”m not trusting Wikipedia because Wikipedia doesn’t trust.. Wikipedia… wait that’s a paradox [[User:Xanzs|Xanzs]] ([[User talk:Xanzs|talk]]) 16:40, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
:::{{u|Xanzs}}, no, it is not a paradox. Wikipedia is an exceptionally useful website, but it is a user edited website. Accordingly, any given article is subject to vandalism at any moment and low traffic articles are often very low quality. We are very effective at fighting vandalism but not 100% effective, and plausible vandalism can go undetected for some time. The greatest strength of a well-written Wikipedia article is the list of references to reliable, published sources that verify the content in the article. In many cases, those references also provide more in-depth coverage of the topic. Wikipedia is a success. It is the #7 website in the world with tens of billions of monthly page views. A big part of that success is that we are strict about the reliability of the sources that we cite. Please read [[Wikipedia:General disclaimer]] for more information. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 17:25, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
::::At a practical level, do not cite Wikipedia, but instead cite the references that were used in a Wikipedia article, with the caveat that those should be checked to confirm that the references actually verify the fact statements in the Wikipedia articles, that the references are considered reliable source refs, and so on. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 20:14, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
:::[[WP:RS|Reliable sources]] have a very specific meaning on Wikipedia; specifically as an encyclopedia, our purpose is to summarize reliable sources. That makes it clear that we obviously cannot consider ourselves a RS. If we did, people could create Wikipedia articles citing other Wikipedia articles in a circular fashion. We still strive to be reliable in the colloquial sense, but even our very best articles are always, by definition, a step removed from the actual reliable sources that they summarize. --[[User:Aquillion|Aquillion]] ([[User talk:Aquillion|talk]]) 04:38, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

== Isotopes lists download ==

Is there a to download these lists ? ( For example : the list in "<nowiki>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotopes_of_sodium</nowiki>" )

I have written a c# application that describes the relations between elements, isotopes, decays, fusions ... etc.(originating from the question "Where the carbon atoms in the cafeine in your coffee come from ?")

When you make normal modifications to these lists, it takes me about 2 weeks to refresh my database for over 3000 isotopes and 5000 decays coming from 118 pages (and subject to typing errors...)

I have tried to download one of these pages but I get one of these mumbo-jumbo network message ( about security and the correction looks like "set the web_client.Tchic_Tchac to Fling_Flang" ... and none of them works... )

Do you have a suggestion ?

Thank you very much [[User:Michel Béliveau|Michel Béliveau]] ([[User talk:Michel Béliveau|talk]]) 17:49, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
:Describing a message as a "mumbo-jumbo network message" is not very helpful in determining what your problem is. If you quote the error message exactly it might be more useful. In any case, I can successfully download articles using curl like this: <syntaxhighlight>curl -k https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotopes_of_sodium</syntaxhighlight> [[User:CodeTalker|CodeTalker]] ([[User talk:CodeTalker|talk]]) 19:52, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you for this fast (and good) answer.
::The mumbo-jumbo error message was : "The request was aborted: Could not create SSL/TLS secure channel." I was not using the good approach to download the content of the web page.
::>>> However the CURL function does what I need.
::Here is want to do In my application :
::For each Element ( 118 !!! ) get the "List of Isotopes" for this Element. Then for each Isotope : get its mass, half-life, decay mode(s) and decay product(s). This yields for over 3500 isotopes and over 4500 decays. Refreshing the data took quite a long time.
::Analyzing the results of the curl command is not so hard and will eliminate typing mistakes. Even if I need a few days to program the analysis, it will be faster than re-typing the data.
::I will take a look at Wikidata.
::Thanks again. [[User:Michel Béliveau|Michel Béliveau]] ([[User talk:Michel Béliveau|talk]]) 23:02, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
:Without really understanding what you are trying to do, I would suspect that [[Wikidata]] was a more useful resource than Wikipedia for your purpose, as it is a database which contains relations between its elements. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 21:34, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Michel Béliveau|Michel Béliveau]] Wouldn't it be easier to download from the original sources, for example [https://www-nds.iaea.org/relnsd/nubase/nubase_min.html NUBASE]? [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 15:48, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Thank you Mr. Turnbull.
:::You are correct. It would be easier to download from the original sources.
:::I have found (and used) a NUBASE file (namely for nucleus values) . So far, I have found only 1 NUBASE file that I could use ( coming from "The Ame2020 atomic mass evaluation (I)"   by W.J.Huang, M.Wang, F.G.Kondev, G.Audi and S.Naimi -  Chinese Physics C45, 030002, March 2021) .
:::The purpose of my request to Wikipedia is to avoid re-typing the values. The NUBASE file allowed this.
:::Do you know other NUBASE files ? Or other sources ? (I also found some data in PeriodicTable.com)
:::Thanks again for your interest [[User:Michel Béliveau|Michel Béliveau]] ([[User talk:Michel Béliveau|talk]]) 19:19, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
{{to|Michel Béliveau}} Hello! This kind of question is something you might want to take to [[WP:RD/C|the Computing reference desk]], where you can get people with computing expertise to assist. --[[User:Slowking Man|Slowking Man]] ([[User talk:Slowking Man|talk]]) 20:39, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Pending review over 6 months, please help ==

Hello Teahouse,

I recently worked on the [[Draft:Saber Bamatraf]], which has been waiting for review for over 6 months. I fully understand that this space isn’t for formal reviews and appreciate the standard waiting procedure. However, I thought I’d give it a shot here to see if anyone might offer insights or advice, as the draft is well-structured and ready for consideration.

Thank you for your time and any guidance! [[User:Wikiyem|Wikiyem]] ([[User talk:Wikiyem|talk]]) 18:34, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

:You have submitted it and it is pending. It was submitted on the 18th, not six months ago. Please be patient, drafts are reviewed in no particular order by volunteers. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 18:39, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
::In fact, it was submitted by its creator {{u|MuseScot}} on 18th Dec, (as it had been twice on 23 June, both swiftly declined). One trusts that Wikiyem and MuseScot are not the same person. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} [[Special:Contributions/94.1.223.204|94.1.223.204]] ([[User talk:94.1.223.204|talk]]) 19:59, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you for the clarification! I had mistakenly assumed the review wait time started from the decline date because when I began editing it, I saw it was already awaiting review. My apologies for any confusion caused! [[User:Wikiyem|Wikiyem]] ([[User talk:Wikiyem|talk]]) 20:41, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

== My name is a dead link on Wikipedia ==

Hello Good Folk of Teahouse!

I wonder if you can help me as a longtime user but complete newcomer to editing Wikipedia. If im completely honest, im finding it all completely baffling...

My question is about creating a page about myself as an artist. My name already appears on Wikipedia in two separate articles by association with other artists and art movements, however clicking on my name as a hyperlink results in a dead page. Is there a way for me to create an article about myself - if it falls within the boundaries of being neutral and only citing reputable websites that reference me and my work?

I gave this a go already in Sandbox thinking that this would be the place to create a first draft and possibly get feedback on what needs to be altered and amended before if would be suitable for publishing, but it was deleted without detailing where I had gone wrong.

Is this possible to do - or is it pointless trying to write an article about yourself?

Many thanks for your time in advance, any help you can give would be much appreciated. [[User:AceroneUK|AceroneUK]] ([[User talk:AceroneUK|talk]]) 20:29, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

:{{u|AceroneUK}} Hello. Please see the [[WP:AUTO|autobiography policy]]. Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell about themselves. Wikipedia articles about artists summarize what independent [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the artist, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of [[WP:NARTIST|a notable creative professional]]. We don't want to know what you say about yourself, we want to know what others say about you. That's usually very hard for people to do about themselves. People also naturally write favorably about themselves. It's not forbidden to write about yourself, but it is highly discouraged. Also see that [[WP:PROUD|an article about yourself isn't not necessarily desirable]]. If you truly are notable, someone will eventually write about you; trying to force the issue is rarely successful. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 20:35, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you for your time and explanation, I do understand more clearly now. I was careful to only reference news and magazine websites that had previously featured my work but I accept that perhaps this was not impartial enough. I guess I will have to live with my name linking to a dead page until I am notable enough for someone else to sort it for me! [[User:AceroneUK|AceroneUK]] ([[User talk:AceroneUK|talk]]) 23:47, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

== [[draft:kuini]] ready to be submitted ==

Please review this draft and submit article if it meets the expectations [[User:Sarahalohi|Sarahalohi]] ([[User talk:Sarahalohi|talk]]) 20:32, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

:Please be patient as drafts will be reviewed by AFC reviewers in a random order. [[User:Ivebeenhacked|Hacked]] ([[User talk:Ivebeenhacked|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Ivebeenhacked|Contribs]]) 20:35, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
:You need to click the "Submit your draft for review!" button in the box at the top to actually submit it. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 20:39, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Sarahalohi|Sarahalohi]] Your draft was swiftly accepted at [[Kuini (album)]], as the topic is clearly [[WP:NMUSIC|wikinotable]]. However, the reviewer thought it could be improved with further sources, which I assume will mainly be reviews in [[WP:RS|the reliable music press]], as they appear. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 14:48, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

== How to merge ==

I am taking part in a talk page discussion where consensus seems to be clearly apparent now by all involved editors, but no one on the talk page seems to know how to actually implement a merge. [[Talk:Trump wall#The wall does not belong to Trump|The merge is here]], can anyone help, or maybe better yet, direct me or teach me how to do the merge myself? I know how to do a page move, but this is moving content from an existing page and then only leaving a redirect behind. That is more than I have done before, but there is a first time for everything they say! [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 21:35, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] try steps at [[Wikipedia:Merging#How to merge|Wikipedia:Merging#How to merge]]. [[User:Asteramellus|Asteramellus]] ([[User talk:Asteramellus|talk]]) 17:55, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

== Helping on the Teahouse ==

I'd like to learn also how to help on the Teahouse. I have received a ton of helpful support here over the years. What are the prerequisites for being a TH moderator? [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 21:37, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

:They aren’t mods, just hosts. I think anyone can be one, but take that with a grain of salt. [[User:TTYDDoopliss|TTYDDoopliss]] ([[User talk:TTYDDoopliss|talk]]) 21:57, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]]: We don't have moderators at the Teahouse; there are only volunteers that contribute their knowledge to people who need it. There aren't any hard prerequisites that I'm aware of (though being [[WP:AUTOCONFIRMED|autoconfirmed]] is usually expected), but Teahouse hosts are expected to give useful, correct answers. —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;) 22:06, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
::I believe I tried answering some once, and the answers were "useful" and "correct", but I am not a formal Teahouse volunteer. Is there training or some formal process? [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 22:16, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
:::In the absence of a training program, @[[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]], here’s something you might try:
:::Pick a Teahouse question … read it … then stop and think what you might answer the person who asked it … then go ahead and read the response(s) to see what was similar and different.
:::— A different sort of training, and kind of fun! [[User:Augnablik|Augnablik]] ([[User talk:Augnablik|talk]]) 05:37, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Interesting idea. [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 17:01, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
:Hello @[[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]]. There are no specific requirements to answer questions on the Teahouse. If you know the answer to a question, then you are free to answer as long as you stay kind and patient towards newcomers. [[User:Tarlby|<span style="color:cyan;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">''Tarl''</span><span style="color:orange;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">''by''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Tarlby|''t'']]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tarlby|''c'']])</sup> 22:28, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
::OK [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 22:44, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
:Hello, {{u|Iljhgtn}}! Tenryuu's advice is essentially how it works, but if you'd like to read a bit more you can check out [[Wikipedia:Teahouse/Host start]] (which does suggest being [[WP:EXTENDEDCONFIRMED|extended-confirmed]]) and [[Wikipedia:Teahouse/Host lounge/Expectations|the host expectations]]. If you can do those, might as well just go ahead and add yourself as a host :) Happy editing! [[User:Perfect4th|Perfect4th]] ([[User talk:Perfect4th|talk]]) 06:07, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] There is no obligation to be on the official list of hosts before you can start regularly answering questions. I have never formally signed up as a host, despite making over 3,000 edits here, since I don't want to feel obliged to respond. My main advice is to read about ten times more than you write and don't rush to answer unless you are sure your reply will be helpful. It doesn't need to be perfect. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 14:29, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Thank you Mike. I believe you are still formally my "mentor" as well, though I never formally ended that because I still wanted the option to be able to call on you for help. [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 17:08, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

== Locked out of account ==

I got locked out of my DooplissTTYD account because I forgot the complex password and didn’t have an email address linked to it. Is there any way that account can be renamed to something else and I change this one to DooplissTTYD? [[User:TTYDDoopliss|TTYDDoopliss]] ([[User talk:TTYDDoopliss|talk]]) 21:50, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

:You would have to request a renaming from the account you want renamed. It can't be requested by in essence a third party(as we have no way to know who is on the other end of the computer). The best you can do is post on your current and previous user pages that you lost access to your old account and have a new one. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 00:06, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
:This is why the first thing you want to ensure you do right now is verify an e-mail address for your account, so you can restore it: [[Special:Preferences|follow this link if you haven't]]. Step 2: I highly recommend using a [[password manager]] to save passwords—as well as generate secure passwords. I suggest trying out [[Bitwarden]].
:{{br}}
:Now in this particular case, [[Special:Contributions/DooplissTTYD|your prior account has only a few edits]]; this means if you wait a bit, say 6 months, you can [[WP:USURPNAME|request to "usurp" it]] which will accomplish what you want. ([[Paper Mario TTYD|Also, a very good game.]]) --[[User:Slowking Man|Slowking Man]] ([[User talk:Slowking Man|talk]]) 18:06, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::I mean that’s what I did. I generated a password using a feature on my phone, and it kept saying the one I had on my phone was incorrect.
::and yes I have an email linked to this account now. 6 months is a very long time though… [[User:TTYDDoopliss|TTYDDoopliss]] ([[User talk:TTYDDoopliss|talk]]) 19:13, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Question about sources ==

Hello, I am new to wikipedia and would like a little more information on a problem with an article about the actor Leonard Ceeley that was refused (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Leonard_Ceeley). Something about the sources not beeing reliable enough. This is the translation of an article I did that was accepted in the French Wikipedia but I know submission conditions differ from one wikipedia to another : Basically what I should do is have more sources than the two I mentioned (IMDB and Playbill)? Thanks for your help.
Edmond Furax [[User:Edmond Furax|Edmond Furax]] ([[User talk:Edmond Furax|talk]]) 22:40, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:Edmond Furax|Edmond Furax]]: {{welcometea}} As you suspect, policies and guidelines differ between different language Wikipedia projects; English Wikipedia (enWP) takes the concept of [[WP:N|wikinotability]] very seriously. [[WP:IMDB|IMDb]] is noted to be full of [[WP:UGC|user-generated content]], which makes a source unreliable by enWP standards. I'm not a regular at the [[WP:RSN|reliable sources noticeboard]], but I think Playbill would likely be treated as a [[WP:PRIMARY|primary source]]. You're going to want to find [[Wikipedia:SECONDARY|secondary sources]] that satisfy the [[Wikipedia:Golden rule|golden rule]]: that they are independent, reliable, and significantly cover the subject. —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;) 23:19, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

== Maybe I am worrying too much ==

Wasn't there originally a link permitting someone to download the entirety of Wikipedia?

I know you'll think I'm alarmist, but I read the other day that an oligarch named Musk would like to destroy Wikipedia, because, I suppose, ignorance helps people like that get their way.

But I do worry, because if we look back in history, the Great Library of Alexandria was lost at some point, and Wikipedia has to be a treasure on at least the same scale as that.

Thank you for reading and for any insight [[User:Progman3K|Progman3K]] ([[User talk:Progman3K|talk]]) 23:14, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Progman3K|Progman3K]] I do recall there being some way and some of my friends have for taking tests (though they use a third-party application). [[WP:1.0]] might be a good starting place to look. [[User:Quxyz|<span style="color: goldenrod">✶Qux</span>]][[User talk:Quxyz|<span style="color: goldenrod">yz</span>]][[special:contributions/Quxyz|<span style="color: goldenrod">✶</span>]] 23:27, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
:You might also find [[WP:DUMP]] helpful. [[User:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#066293;">'''Schazjmd'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#738276;">''(talk)''</span>]] 00:19, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
::[[Wikipedia:Database download]]. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 00:21, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Elon Musk does not (yet) have the power to destroy Wikipedia, although he has called on his puppet army of X/Twitter followers to stop making financial donations. Frankly, I doubt that many of his devoted followers are donors anyway, since Musk has had a long-standing public grudge against Wikipedia because editors refuse to modify his Wikipedia biography to his liking and continue to record his bizarre eccentricities along with his undisputed success at making himself richer. Musk has been actively trying to tamper with his Wikipedia biography for over five years on flimsy pretexts, and this latest outburst is only a continuation of an ongoing campaign described in [https://slate.com/technology/2022/05/elon-musk-wikipedia-page.html this article] and many similar ones. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 07:30, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
::::The Tesla fan base are highly encouraged to strike and boycott the article on [[Tesla and unions]] too 😜 ~ 🦝 [[User:Shushugah|Shushugah]]&nbsp;(he/him&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[User talk:Shushugah|talk]]) 19:34, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

== Why was I erased from my husband’s life? ==

My husband is Scott Spock. He is an easily researched multi platinum song writer and music producer. He had a Wikipedia page and half of his life’s work - which is easily verified …was deleted… as well… we were married in 2016 and i have been deleted… who did this? Who cared to do this? Why was this aloud to be done? Please restore his work… i see no name silly people with their accomplishments from middle school unedited here- why should you rob my husband… who built himself entirely on his own, why should you rob him thus? [[Special:Contributions/2600:1700:7240:3230:B021:BE03:6BF4:4444|2600:1700:7240:3230:B021:BE03:6BF4:4444]] ([[User talk:2600:1700:7240:3230:B021:BE03:6BF4:4444|talk]]) 06:39, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
:Hello. An acceptable Wikipedia article summarizes what published reliable sources say about the topic, Scott Spock in this case, and those reliable sources need to be cited as references in the article. As a matter of policy, we do not permit unreferenced content in [[WP:BLP|biographies of living people]] and unreferenced content was removed from [[Scott Spock]] by an experienced editor in 2022, and those edits were entirely proper. This is not "robbing" him of anything because that very same policy prohibits false negative defamatory content from being added to the article. So, if you have reliable published sources that report your marriage or support any of the other deleted content, post that at [[Talk:Scott Spock]], where no one has ever made a substantive comment. Make a formal [[WP:ER|Edit request]] and an uninvolved volunteer will evaluate the matter. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 06:59, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
::[[TLDR]], all content relating to [[WP:blp|biographies]] ''must'' be [[WP:v|cited]] to a [[WP:RS|reliable source]] and such content may be removed at any time. If you find a good source, the content can be added back. [[User:Tarlby|<span style="color:cyan;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">''Tarl''</span><span style="color:orange;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">''by''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Tarlby|''t'']]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tarlby|''c'']])</sup> 07:26, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Many articles have a Personal life section where a spouse is named along with year married and number of children (if any, and names not shown), but this information requires a reference. The reason the above suggestion states that you can put text and references at [[Talk:Scott Spock]], for someone else to decided to add or not, is that you have what Wikipedia calls a conflict of interest ([[WP:COI]]). [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 12:27, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

== How do you make green text? ==

I've seen this often done to quote someone's statement. Thanks. [[User:Isonomia01|Isonomia01]] ([[User talk:Isonomia01|talk]]) 07:08, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

:Hello @[[User:Isonomia01|Isonomia01]]. This is done from the template [[Template:Talk quote inline|Talk quote inline]]. Typing...
:<nowiki>{{tq|This}}</nowiki>
:Would create...
:{{tq|This}}
:Hope this helped! [[User:Tarlby|<span style="color:cyan;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">''Tarl''</span><span style="color:orange;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">''by''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Tarlby|''t'']]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tarlby|''c'']])</sup> 07:13, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

== How do u edit an exisitng page ==

title [[Special:Contributions/2601:244:5600:4480:5587:BA2F:2B24:7DEB|2601:244:5600:4480:5587:BA2F:2B24:7DEB]] ([[User talk:2601:244:5600:4480:5587:BA2F:2B24:7DEB|talk]]) 07:22, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

:Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. If you are editing on PC, you should click "Edit" on the top right of an article to edit it. [[User:Tarlby|<span style="color:cyan;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">''Tarl''</span><span style="color:orange;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">''by''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Tarlby|''t'']]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tarlby|''c'']])</sup> 07:30, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
::If your use of the word "title" means that you want to change the title of an article, then that can only be done by a registered, autoconfirmed account, and not by an IP editor. If you give us the precise name of the article, and your proposed new name, someone here may be able to help you. We need specificity not vagueness. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 07:35, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
:::"Edit" at the top allows editing to the entire article, including the Lead. Within an article, each section title is followed by (edit) which allows that section to be edited. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 12:30, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
:Along with what others have noted, just wanted to note that some pages are "protected", and requires certain - read more at [[Wikipedia:User_access_levels#User_groups]]. So for those pages where you are not allowed to edit based on access restrictions, you won't see the "Edit" on the top right. [[User:Asteramellus|Asteramellus]] ([[User talk:Asteramellus|talk]]) 17:47, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

== Best way to discuss tags on a new article ==

Hi all, I am a fairly new editor and one of my articles ([[Samantha Mills (author)]]) just got three tags from another editor. I was wondering the best way to diplomatically discuss the tags, and if someone could clarify the tag about excessive "self-published sources".

For #1: I disagree that the subject is not notable, because she's won several major awards and received a lot of literary press coverage for her recent works. I've also added some more references to hopefully make that clear, but I was wondering how I can discuss/resolve this tag: do I make a new post in the article's Talk page and tag the original person, and/or remove the tag because it's addressed, or do something else?If I start a discussion on the talk page, is there a good procedure to follow, or should we try to bring in other points of view?

For #2: the article uses some references to an author interview for talking about her personal life and process, because I thought it was okay to use the author as a source to talk about herself since her personal life isn't contentious (I was attempting to follow [[Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Self-published_sources|this]] guideline on subjects talking about themselves). Am I thinking about this/using this incorrectly, or is this tag coming from something else in the article? Thank you for the advice!&nbsp;[[User:Hobbitina|Hobbitina]] ([[User talk:Hobbitina|talk]]) 09:49, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
:Rather than disputing whether the tags are warranted, it would be more constructive to address the issues they describe. I haven't checked every one of the sources in the article, but it does sèem short of reliable independent sources with extensive discussion of Wills. Which three of the sources currently cited do most, in your opinion, do most to establish her as [[WP:N|notable]]? &nbsp; [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] ([[User talk:Maproom|talk]]) 14:42, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

:At the very least, you're right re: notability. Hugo and Nebula wins => article. [[User:DragonflySixtyseven|DS]] ([[User talk:DragonflySixtyseven|talk]]) 14:36, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:Hobbitina|Hobbitina]] This is a discussion that's ideal to have on the article's Talk Page at [[Talk:Samantha Mills (author)]], where I currently see no content either from you or [[User:Wasell]], who added the tag. You will note that this is the suggestion which the tag itself includes. It is perfectly acceptable to copy the points you have made here at the Teahouse into that Talk Page and to [[WP:PING]] others who have edited the article. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 14:37, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
:Thank you all for the answers! I'm especially grateful for the pointers on talk page etiquette: it's not something I've done before and I was pretty intimidated, plus I did not want to accidentally offend anyone in the way I started a discussion. [[User:Hobbitina|Hobbitina]] ([[User talk:Hobbitina|talk]]) 18:37, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

== donating - would like to donate ==

Hail...
Would like to donate 50 quid to the cause but stop at the name and address
part. Don't really see the need for full name and address.
Just old and not particularly wise. Any suggestions? [[Special:Contributions/81.96.25.61|81.96.25.61]] ([[User talk:81.96.25.61|talk]]) 12:28, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

:Hi IP editor, the Wikimedia Foundation deals with all donation issues and questions - editors here at the Teahouse don't have any input. Please direct your query to the email address at the bottom of [[donate:Ways_to_Give|donate.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ways_to_Give]] <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;">'''[[User:Qcne|<span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span>]]''' <small>[[User talk:Qcne|<span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span>]]</small></span> 12:49, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
::Just to elaborate slightly: all editors here give their time entirely voluntarily and gain absolutely no financial benefit from any contributions made to keep the broader Wikipedia projects going. So we have little knowledge of how the donation systems work - despite being grateful for everyone's contributions. The advice above is sound. [[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] ([[User talk:Nick Moyes|talk]]) 18:21, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
:Also I'm not certain (not WMF personnel), but I am pretty confident the reason for requiring that info is fraud protection and banking and [[money laundering]] laws; it's not something the Foundation has any control over. WMF is a registered [[501(c)(3) organization]] in the US, meaning it has to comply with a bunch of laws and regulations. (For ''furrin types'', this is near-synonymous with "[[non-profit]]/[[Charity organization|charity]]" in the US, being simply the section of the [[Internal Revenue Code]] setting out the criteria said organizations have to meet to get tax exemption.) Note, a way that one can make semi-anonymous donations, is to pass them through what's called a "[[donor-advised fund]]" in the US, but this is a bit more involved and requires going through a bank or brokerage that will arrange your transfer. Alternatively, I suppose if one is accepting of the fact there are no guarantees in life one could always send cash to the WMF's front door with no return address and leave its final disposition up to them. --[[User:Slowking Man|Slowking Man]] ([[User talk:Slowking Man|talk]]) 18:38, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Qc Terme draft ==

I have created a new page about the italian company qc Terme and i would greatly appreciate your help in reviewing it.I need the page to be approved by December 31st. The draft is called[[Draft: QC_Terme]] . I would be grateful for any feedback or suggestions to make the article acceptable for publication. [[User:LiucMichela3|LiucMichela3]] ([[User talk:LiucMichela3|talk]]) 13:48, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

:{{u|LiucMichela3}} Wikipedia has [[WP:DEADLINE|no deadlines]] and we frankly aren't concerned with deadlines imposed by third parties. Your instructor has put you in a difficult position, and that's unfair to you. Please show your instructor this message and ask them to review the [[WP:WEP|Wikipedia Education Program]] so that they can design lessons that don't put students between a rock and a hard place.
:There is no way to guarantee a speedy review- that's part of the problem with requiring you to create a Wikipedia article. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 13:55, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
:As 331dot has said, this is an unfair position that you have been put in and I am sorry for that. It is also not fair of your professor to depend on the work of AfC volunteers. Drafts are often reviewed at random, and reviewers like myself tend to review articles on topics we are interested in or know well. So a draft being approved before a certain date is partially based on luck, and a poorly designed assessment of skill.
:This assignment has been [[Wikipedia:Education noticeboard#Teahouse query from Italian university class|discussed on the education noticeboard]]. [[user:Notcharizard|<span style="color:#70A67A">-- NotC</span><span style="color:#396340">hariza</span><span style="color:#0D2311">rd</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Notcharizard|<span style="color:#0D2311">🗨</span>]]</sup> 14:28, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
::Teahouse Hosts are not necessarily draft reviewers; their function here is to advise. My suggestion, left as a Comment, is that the draft is promotional, and should either be Rejected or Speedy deleted, or minimally, much of the descriptions of the sites and services removed. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 03:42, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

== I don't find the ressource to add books wrote by someone ==

Hello ! I'd like to add a book on the article about "[[David Murphy (CIA)]]". <br /> <br />

This is a book wrote by him not mentionned in the article. <br />
I don't find the ressource explaining how to add the bibliography of someone. [[User:Anatole-berthe|Anatole-berthe]] ([[User talk:Anatole-berthe|talk]]) 16:17, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Anatole-berthe|Anatole-berthe]] The standard template to use for book citations is {{t|cite book}}. It is usual, but not essential, to use its |URL= parameter to link to Google Books for the convenience of our readers. In this case that would be [https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Battleground_Berlin/3USTBk2dulQC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=david%20murphy%20battleground&pg=PR4&printsec=frontcover this link], from which you can also find the ISBN and full list of authors. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 16:27, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
:Hello, @[[User:Anatole-berthe|Anatole-berthe]]. Why do you want to add that book to that article? Has the book been discussed by independent sources? If not, why is it significant ednough to feature in a Wikipedia article?
:More to the point, that article is woefully short of sources, and does not establish that Murphy meets the criteria for [[WP:NBIO|notability]]. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 17:42, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
::The book was wrote by himself as I said. <br /> <br />
::The ISBN-10 is '''"0300107803"''' and the ISBN-13 is '''"978-0300107807"''' for the first edition.
::The title is '''"What Stalin Knew: The Enigma of Barbarossa"''' , it was published by "[[Yale University Press]]" in 2005. <br /> <br />
::The ISBN-10 is '''"030011981X"''' and the ISBN-13 is '''"978-0300119817"''' for the second edition.
::The second edition was published in 2006 by the same publisher. <br /> <br />
::In this edition , it's mentionned the review of the first edition by "[[Niall Ferguson]]" for '''"New York Time Book Review"'''.
::The first edition was also reviewed by "[[Andrew Nagorski]]" for "[[The Weekly Standard]]". <br /> <br />
::There are also a review by "[[Henry Kissinger]]" but I consider it doesn't count to add this book on Wikipedia.
::This person have to be considered as a reviewer among others even if he's notable accorded to criterias. <br /> <br />
::He didn't wrote the review for a magazine or a journal and therefore the fact '''"Kissinger"''' wrote a review should not be taken into account. This is what I think. <br /> <br />
::The same for the review by "[[Donald Kagan]]" for "[[Yale University]]" for a particular reason. This person worked for '''"Yale"''' and the book was published by "[[Yale University Press]]". Therefore , I consider it's like a review by the publisher itself. <br /> <br /> <br />
::Conclusion : I think this book met the criteria n°1 for "[[Wikipedia:Notability_(books)]]" to create an article on this book.
::I don't want to create an article on the book itself. <br /> <br />
::The '''"Threshold standards"''' is met because "[[Library of Congress]]" catalogued this book.
::[[LCCN]] is '''"2004065916"'''. <br /> <br />
::If it is considered as notable to create an article , I consider it is notable enough to mention this book on the article "[[David Murphy (CIA)]]". [[User:Anatole-berthe|Anatole-berthe]] ([[User talk:Anatole-berthe|talk]]) 12:03, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

== Microsoft Learn Challenge ==
*[https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/docs/ Courtesy link]
https://www.bing.com/search?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.trueplookpanya.com%2Flearning%2Fdetail%2F33888&cc=XL&setlang=en&PC=SWG01&form=L2MT03&scope=web [[User:Adeesukmukura.dl|Adeesukmukura.dl]] ([[User talk:Adeesukmukura.dl|talk]]) 22:33, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

:Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia, @[[User:Adeesukmukura.dl|Adeesukmukura.dl]]? <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;">'''[[User:Qcne|<span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span>]]''' <small>[[User talk:Qcne|<span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span>]]</small></span> 22:49, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

== Reviewing? ==

Hi folks. I created an article a little while ago on a, in my view, notable indi-pop band called [[Dream Note (Indian band)]], which as far as I'm aware, is still in the New Pages Feed and remains unreviewed. I obviously understand that reviews are random and can take upto weeks or months, and that I can't and shouldn't request/rush reviews. Keeping all that in mind, is there an approximate duration that I could wait before the article got reviewed, or is there a way to speed up the review process without disrupting the system? Would love some insight. <span style="background-color: black; padding: 2px 3px 1px 3px;">[[User:Dissoxciate|<span style="color: greenyellow">'''Dissoxciate'''</span>]] [[User talk:Dissoxciate|<span style="color: turquoise">(talk)</span>]]</span> 00:09, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:Hi @[[User:Dissoxciate|Dissoxciate]]. [[:Dream Note (Indian band)]] was only just created on 25 December. A volunteer might review it tomorrow or in several weeks or several months, there's no way to predict. If it hasn't been reviewed in 90 days, it will be indexed by search engines anyway. [[User:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#066293;">'''Schazjmd'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#738276;">''(talk)''</span>]] 00:30, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:Hello, {{u|Dissoxciate}}. You created the article (very early by UTC) on 26 December, just under 4 days ago. The (of course entirely volunteer) [[Wikipedia:New pages patrol]] is, inevitably, understrength and review times are likely to be measured in weeks, rather than days, although if an article is ''not'' problematical (i.e. if it's ''obviously'' up to standard or ''obviously'' not, it is likely to be assessed sooner rather than later). If the NPP don't get round to it, it will automatically become [[Web crawler|crawlable]] after 90 days. To me, not an assessor, it looks good, but I haven't tried to investigate the sources. Good luck! [[Special:Contributions/94.1.223.204|94.1.223.204]] ([[User talk:94.1.223.204|talk]]) 00:32, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:Dissoxciate|Dissoxciate]], I took a look at your article and noticed that the discography isn't the general way that a discography would be formatted on Wikipedia. While your way is acceptable due to [[MOS:STYLEVAR]], some might find it strange and change it. You can view the normal way most musical artist editors create discographies here: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Discographies/style#Samples]]. The {{tlx|Track listing}} template is usually for album articles instead of normal artist albums. Thanks, <span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:#fff;border:2px dashed#69c73e">[[User:Cowboygilbert|<span style="color:#3f6b39">'''Cowboygilbert'''</span>]] - [[User talk:Cowboygilbert|<span style="color:#d12667"> (talk) ♥</span>]]</span> 02:09, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

::Thank you so much @[[User:Schazjmd|Schazjmd]], @[[User:94.1.223.204|94.1.223.204]] and @[[User:Cowboygilbert|Cowboygilbert]] for your responses! This has been a huge help. I also admit that I should be a little more considerate and understanding of the review process, given its understrength and the sheer number of outstanding unreviewed articles. Also, thanks @[[User:Cowboygilbert|Cowboygilbert]] for the heads-up regarding the discography formatting! <span style="background-color: black; padding: 2px 3px 1px 3px;">[[User:Dissoxciate|<span style="color: greenyellow">'''Dissoxciate'''</span>]] [[User talk:Dissoxciate|<span style="color: turquoise">(talk)</span>]]</span> 09:22, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

== How to nominate an article for deletion? ==

I would like to ask this question because there is an [[List of diplomatic relations of Ireland|article]] that I'd like to nominate for deletion [[User:Underdwarf58|Underdwarf58]] ([[User talk:Underdwarf58|talk]]) 01:13, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:Underdwarf58|Underdwarf58]] see [[WP:AFDHOWTO]] for the instructions. If that's too complicated, consider checking out [[WP:TWINKLE]]. <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace">'''<nowiki>'''[[</nowiki>[[User:CanonNi]]<nowiki>]]'''</nowiki>'''</span> ([[User talk:CanonNi|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CanonNi|contribs]])</span> 01:15, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::How do I inform WikiProject members regarding the "subst:delsort|<topic>|<signature>" step? [[User:Underdwarf58|Underdwarf58]] ([[User talk:Underdwarf58|talk]]) 01:37, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:::If you're doing that step manually, go to [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Compact]], find relevant sorting lists, transclude the AfD at the bottom of the page, and add the {{tlc|subst:delsort|<topic>|<signature>}} template to the AfD when you're done. <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace">'''<nowiki>'''[[</nowiki>[[User:CanonNi]]<nowiki>]]'''</nowiki>'''</span> ([[User talk:CanonNi|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CanonNi|contribs]])</span> 01:40, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

== can you give me a lnk of the Roblox page ==

i need Roblox link to sign in [[Special:Contributions/24.192.134.19|24.192.134.19]] ([[User talk:24.192.134.19|talk]]) 01:57, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:{{welcometea}} Did you have a question about editing or using Wikipedia? —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;) 02:07, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Tenryuu|Tenryuu]] I think hes trolling. [[User:SimpleSubCubicGraph|SimpleSubCubicGraph]] ([[User talk:SimpleSubCubicGraph|talk]]) 02:50, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:::That's my standard reply to anyone who doesn't ask questions about Wikipedia here. —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;) 02:58, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:Does [[Roblox#External links|this link]] help at all? If you have general computing questions that aren't Wikipedia-specific, go to the [[WP:RD/Computing|Computing reference desk]]. --[[User:Slowking Man|Slowking Man]] ([[User talk:Slowking Man|talk]]) 18:46, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Would 3 migrants drowning be worthy news? ==

Or could it be clumped into a history of modern migration to Europe? This was the deadliest year for Channel Crossings. [[User:SimpleSubCubicGraph|SimpleSubCubicGraph]] ([[User talk:SimpleSubCubicGraph|talk]]) 02:50, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

:<s>It depends on what kind of migrants they were. What color were they? [[User:99blumpkinscunnt99|99blumpkinscunnt99]] ([[User talk:99blumpkinscunnt99|talk]]) 02:51, 30 December 2024 (UTC)</s><small>striking out trolling. [[User:Beeblebrox|El Beeblerino]] [[User talk:Beeblebrox|<sup>if you're not into the whole brevity thing</sup>]] 04:10, 30 December 2024 (UTC)</small>
::I dont know what to say [[User:SimpleSubCubicGraph|SimpleSubCubicGraph]] ([[User talk:SimpleSubCubicGraph|talk]]) 02:52, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:::I just need a few people to come to a consesus so I can create the article for it. I have seen a case of mass rape getting on the news, front page so if rape of one person is all that is needed, 3 people dying crossing the channel might just be news worthy. [[User:SimpleSubCubicGraph|SimpleSubCubicGraph]] ([[User talk:SimpleSubCubicGraph|talk]]) 02:54, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::::<s>Well with the rapes it also depends on who is doing the raping. Women being raped by migrants doesn’t make the news because it’s inconvenient to the preferred media narrative promoting diversity, and since it doesn’t make the news it can’t be considered notable for a Wikipedia article (which incidentally also aligns with the preferences of most Wikipedia editors and the house point of view). [[User:99blumpkinscunnt99|99blumpkinscunnt99]] ([[User talk:99blumpkinscunnt99|talk]]) 03:02, 30 December 2024 (UTC)</s><small>striking out trolling. [[User:Beeblebrox|El Beeblerino]] [[User talk:Beeblebrox|<sup>if you're not into the whole brevity thing</sup>]] 04:10, 30 December 2024 (UTC)</small>
::::Hi @[[User:SimpleSubCubicGraph|SimpleSubCubicGraph]] this user is blocked so you don't need to reply. Someone more experienced who can help should be along soon. In the meantime, [[Wikipedia:Notability]] is a good starting point for what should be included in articles. [[User:Blue-Sonnet|Blue Sonnet]] ([[User talk:Blue-Sonnet|talk]]) 03:52, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Blue Sonnet|Blue Sonnet]] to me it passes notability and fits all the criteria from my point of view. Does this mean I should create the page or draft it so others can review it? [[User:SimpleSubCubicGraph|SimpleSubCubicGraph]] ([[User talk:SimpleSubCubicGraph|talk]]) 04:23, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::The main thing to consider is that We Don't Do News. If you feel it meets [[WP:NEVENT]] though then yeah you can create an article. -- [[User:DandelionAndBurdock|D'n'B]]-''[[User_talk:DandelionAndBurdock|📞]]'' -- 04:29, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::{{ping|SimpleSubCubicGraph}} If you feel the subject you want to create an article about meets [[:WP:N]], you can either (1) be [[:WP:BOLD]] and do so or (2) be [[:WP:CAUTIOUS]] and create a [[:WP:DRAFT]] for submission to [[:WP:AFC]]. Please understand though that if you go the bold route, someone else could be just as bold and tag, propose or nominate the article for [[:WP:DELETION]] at any point if they disagree with your assessment of the subject's Wikipedia notability. On the other hand, if you're cautious, you can submit the draft for review when you think its ready and an AFC reviewer will assess it. The reviewer can accept the draft if they think it meets [[:WP:N]] or decline the draft if they feel it's not quite there yet. If they decline the draft, the reviewer will most likely provide feedback on what still needs to be done to bring the draft up to article quality. By being bold, you could create an article that's really good (not perfect but good enough to survive a deletion challenge), but you could also create something that gets removed almost as quickly as you added it. By being cautious, you'll be able to work at your own pace and people will leave you be for the most part as long as you don't start violating any major Wikipedia policies or guidelines with your edits to the draft. Generally, newer users are advised to be cautious when creating new articles and create drafts instead because creating a new viable article can be a bit involved. Having a draft improved via AFC doesn't guarantee it will never nominated for deletion, but it usually means that there's a reasonably valid claim of Wikipedia notability so that possibility of the page being quickly nominated for deletion drops quite a bit.{{pb}}Finally, there's lots of things in the news that might be considered worthy, but [[:WP:NOTNEWS|Wikipedia isn't intended to be a newspaper]] and Wikipedia articles aren't intended to be written like newspaper articles. Sometimes it can be a good idea to wait to try to create a Wikipedia article about an event to see whether it receives [[:WP:LASTING|lasting]] and [[:WP:SIGCOV|significant]]. Wikipedian's don't get any extra points for being the first to create an article about something. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 04:57, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] After more consideration, I have decided to go back on my previous statement and I think it is not news worthy. Now, how do I delete this thread? [[User:SimpleSubCubicGraph|SimpleSubCubicGraph]] ([[User talk:SimpleSubCubicGraph|talk]]) 05:14, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:SimpleSubCubicGraph|SimpleSubCubicGraph]]: This thread will be automatically archived in a few days if no one comments on it. —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;) 05:16, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:Less for OP, more for general info: sources gathered might be helpful for updating [[English Channel migrant crossings (2018–present)]], specifically the "Deaths" subsection. [[User:Rotideypoc41352|Rotideypoc41352]] ([[User talk:Rotideypoc41352|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contribs/Rotideypoc41352|contribs]]) 18:31, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

== [[WP:IDONTLIKEWHOCREATEDIT]] ==

What article would the term "[[WP:IDONTLIKEWHOCREATEDIT]]" fall into? Because in my opinion it could be classified as disruptive editing, but also the same spot as the term "[[WP:IDONTLIKEIT]]". This has been the case with the following two issues that happened in the past throughout 2024: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Wanamaker,_Kempton_and_Southern_65] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Goro_Maki] [[User:GojiraFan1954|GojiraFan1954]] ([[User talk:GojiraFan1954|talk]]) 03:19, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:GojiraFan1954|GojiraFan1954]] You've posted the same question on [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&oldid=1266094049 AN], can I ask why you're asking this? It looks like you're asking where a theoretical [[Wikipedia:Essays|essay]] might be categorised? That's a bit difficult to answer if it doesn't exist. [[User:Blue-Sonnet|Blue Sonnet]] ([[User talk:Blue-Sonnet|talk]]) 03:46, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::I did ask that in AN, but it was straight away closed and that closure told me to try it here.
::And the two AfDs you look in the links can define the example of why an essay should be written about [[WP:IDONTLIKEWHOCREATEDIT]] [[User:GojiraFan1954|GojiraFan1954]] ([[User talk:GojiraFan1954|talk]]) 03:48, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:::But why do you think it? You have to assume good faith while at AfD and no one is talking about the creator of the article but of the content of the article. If the article lacks notability, it should be deleted or be put in draftspace. If the article is dependent on unreliable sources and original research, same thing as well. <span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:#fff;border:2px dashed#69c73e">[[User:Cowboygilbert|<span style="color:#3f6b39">'''Cowboygilbert'''</span>]] - [[User talk:Cowboygilbert|<span style="color:#d12667"> (talk) ♥</span>]]</span> 03:52, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::::When more cases come, then you might understand why it should get its own essay. [[User:GojiraFan1954|GojiraFan1954]] ([[User talk:GojiraFan1954|talk]]) 03:53, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Well, you aren't giving a reason why you think it should be an essay... like what I originally asked by saying: {{tq|But why do you think it?}}. If an editor has done their extensive research to see if an article passes the [[WP:GNG|general notability guidelines]] than why are you not assuming good faith about that editor? <span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:#fff;border:2px dashed#69c73e">[[User:Cowboygilbert|<span style="color:#3f6b39">'''Cowboygilbert'''</span>]] - [[User talk:Cowboygilbert|<span style="color:#d12667"> (talk) ♥</span>]]</span> 03:59, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::I only ask this question so that after I've collected enough evidence through this issue, then I could compile them into an essay to show why people shouldn't be doing stuff revolving around this issue on Wikipedia. [[User:GojiraFan1954|GojiraFan1954]] ([[User talk:GojiraFan1954|talk]]) 04:02, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::I suppose you could write the essay if you really feel strongly about it, but the essay page I linked to explains that they're not official policy and there may be other essays that are more useful. I'm not sure that you're asking about the essay and you're actually referring to the intent of the two editors who linked to the (nonexistent) page. If that's what you mean, then editors should not judge a page purely because of who wrote it, although that may be a warning sign to look into it further. If a page is good enough to stand on its own, it will. This also isn't anything new - Wikipedia has been around for decades, so saying "when more cases come" doesn't exactly make sense. It's not a new problem and it's something they every editor should already be aware of. I'm not sure writing an essay will change that? Have you looked to see whether something similar already exists? [[User:Blue-Sonnet|Blue Sonnet]] ([[User talk:Blue-Sonnet|talk]]) 04:05, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::I have collected some evidence which I will link to you once I've completed compiling it, because my reaction from this editor not liking what I put up thinking it was quote-unquote "decorative", my reaction was this: "Now, he has gone too far.", I'll have to go into defense [[User:GojiraFan1954|GojiraFan1954]] ([[User talk:GojiraFan1954|talk]]) 04:08, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::Here's the link to the article, now that I've compiled enough data: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Armegon] [[User:GojiraFan1954|GojiraFan1954]] ([[User talk:GojiraFan1954|talk]]) 04:18, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::I found the page - [[Wikipedia:ATTP]] - so it wouldn't be worthwhile creating an essay IMO. If someone creates a link to a page that doesn't exist, I don't think there's much we can do about that. One route might be for it to be added as a shortcut to the already-existing page, but it might not be worth it if only one or two people are using that nonexistent broken link. No comment on the underlying dispute. [[User:Blue-Sonnet|Blue Sonnet]] ([[User talk:Blue-Sonnet|talk]]) 04:22, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::I took a look at both of the articles that you mentioned, one that you created. The editor who nominated yours had said, "{{tq|An article for the character Goro Maki has no notability due to no significant coverage from secondary or third-party sources, relies on WP:OR, WP:SYN, and is mostly driven by WP:FAN.}}" but they had also said some unnecessary comments about your editing style. But the content that I put in the quotation is valid for a reason for deletion, they aren't deleting it simply because they don't like you and they did not state that anywhere within the AfD. The editor also apologized below in the AfD comments. Instead of focusing on this essay, why not trying to improve articles that already exist? <span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:#fff;border:2px dashed#69c73e">[[User:Cowboygilbert|<span style="color:#3f6b39">'''Cowboygilbert'''</span>]] - [[User talk:Cowboygilbert|<span style="color:#d12667"> (talk) ♥</span>]]</span> 04:06, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::I've taken a look and totally agree with @[[User:Cowboygilbert|Cowboygilbert]]. We don't need a page for this essay, the person who nominated the articles offered to help you fix them so that would be the best way forward - I don't see anything about them not liking you as an individual, they were just a little sharp in their original comments and have since apologised. [[User:Blue-Sonnet|Blue Sonnet]] ([[User talk:Blue-Sonnet|talk]]) 04:30, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::I have accepted their apology. But I'm just upset right now that most of the images I uploaded are being vetoed because they think that their past versions are better. [[User:GojiraFan1954|GojiraFan1954]] ([[User talk:GojiraFan1954|talk]]) 04:32, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::I know that they didn't directly say that they didn't like me or anything related to what you said, I only mentioned the "WP:IDONTLIKEWHOCREATEDIT" as a comment after identifying the writing of the AFD and the way he accused me. [[User:GojiraFan1954|GojiraFan1954]] ([[User talk:GojiraFan1954|talk]]) 05:46, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::In the AfD you looked at, Pokelego mentions here that can defend me, here is what Pokelego said "I would suggest the nom try and be a bit more respectful, especially since GojiraFan is a relatively new user still learning the ropes.", if you noticed, I am still learning the ropes on Wikipedia, meaning that I'm not perfect, or one of those bots. [[User:GojiraFan1954|GojiraFan1954]] ([[User talk:GojiraFan1954|talk]]) 06:14, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:Here's the link to the article, now that I've compiled enough data: [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Armegon|[6]]] [[User:GojiraFan1954|GojiraFan1954]] ([[User talk:GojiraFan1954|talk]]) 04:20, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:So, I am going to plan on writing an essay of [[WP:IDONTLIKEWHOCREATEDIT]], but I can't seem to figure out a good name for it, I was thinking of names that it could fall into
:* Deletion falsification
:* Deletion abuse
:* Deletion misuse
:* Deletion fraud
:What are your ideas, opinions and/or suggestions? [[User:GojiraFan1954|GojiraFan1954]] ([[User talk:GojiraFan1954|talk]]) 06:18, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::My idea/opinion is that you [[WP:STICK|drop the stick]], realise that [[WP:AGF|you are not being targeted]], and move on with improving the encyclopedia. - [[User:The Bushranger|The Bushranger]] <sub>[[User talk:The Bushranger|<span style="color: maroon;">One ping only</span>]]</sub> 06:49, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

== Signature ==

Is my signature OK? [[User:Industrial Metal Brain|ℹ️Ⓜ️🅱️]] ([[User talk:Industrial Metal Brain|talk]])

My user name is long "[[User: Industrial Metal Brain |Industrial Metal Brain]]" and my favorite music genre looks weird in conversations about the topics I am currently working on.

Are there any rules about my signature needing to resemble the name that appears in history threads or not resemble other users? How do I see if other users are using a similar nickname in their signature somewhere on here?

Do emojis cause problems?

[[User:Industrial Metal Brain|ℹ️Ⓜ️🅱️]] ([[User talk:Industrial Metal Brain|talk]]) 04:46, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:Your signature should display your username so that other editors can read it, not just try to represent it through abstract symbols. Your signature also needs to have a link to your user talk page. Those are the only two rules that I know of regarding signatures but I haven't read the policy page in quite a while. It would be worth your time to review. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">[[User:Liz|'''''L'''''iz]]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">[[Special:Contributions/Liz|'''''Read!''''']] [[User talk:Liz|'''''Talk!''''']]</sup> 04:49, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

:I've used this signature for years and nobody has ever complained about it. [[User:DragonflySixtyseven|DS]] ([[User talk:DragonflySixtyseven|talk]]) 15:20, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

== The Katy Perry Collections Page ==

I think that the Teahouse editors can improve the [[Draft:Katy Perry Collections|Katy Perry Collections]] page. [[User:EclipseExpress|EclipseExpress]] ([[User talk:EclipseExpress|talk]]) 05:28, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

:Hello @[[User:EclipseExpress|EclipseExpress]]. The Teahouse is used to ask questions about the functions of Wikipedia. Us [[WP:volunteer|volunteers]] are not obligated to help create an article ourselves. Unless you have any specific question, it is highly unlikely anyone here would choose to help. [[User:Tarlby|<span style="color:cyan;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">''Tarl''</span><span style="color:orange;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">''by''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Tarlby|''t'']]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tarlby|''c'']])</sup> 06:12, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

:I certainly can, [[User:EclipseExpress|EclipseExpress]], but life's too short. Time and energy permitting, I'd remove the promotional ingredients. (A humdrum example: "Katy Perry Collections stands out for its unique approach to footwear design." What's the source? Why, Katy Perry Collections.) However, if I did that, then very little would remain. AfD seems to beckon. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 06:30, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:...AfD meaning [[WP:Articles for deletion]]. [[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]]|[[User talk:Shantavira|<sup>feed me</sup>]] 10:17, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::True, [[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]], and therefore AfD would be inapplicable: This isn't an article, and I have trouble imagining it becoming one. And therefore [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion|MfD]], or just summary deletion. Or of course an extremely radical improvement. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 12:25, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:::[[Draft:Katy Perry Collections]] has been submitted via AfC and Declined. The creator has also been asked if there is a conflict of interest ([[WP:COI]]). [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 12:47, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

== A PAGE, ==

!HELPER .ANYWAYS, AT THIE TIME, THIS PAGE IS HAVING A PROBLEM: Jonathan Livingston Seagull - Wikipedia, ITS PROBLEM IS OCCURING TOWARDS THE END OF THE PAGE AND I HAVE SCREEN SHOTS, IF YOU WANT TO COLLECT? [[Special:Contributions/74.192.173.248|74.192.173.248]] ([[User talk:74.192.173.248|talk]]) 07:39, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:First of all, calm down. The article [[Jonathan Livingston Seagull]] displays fine for me, so could you upload the screenshot or describe the issue? <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace">'''<nowiki>'''[[</nowiki>[[User:CanonNi]]<nowiki>]]'''</nowiki>'''</span> ([[User talk:CanonNi|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CanonNi|contribs]])</span> 07:49, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:User suggested on the IRC live chat that there was a large amount of antisemitism on the article.
:I've suggested they clear their browser cache or [[WP:PURGE]]. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;">'''[[User:Qcne|<span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span>]]''' <small>[[User talk:Qcne|<span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span>]]</small></span> 08:00, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::There was a large amount of poorly-sourced and potentially antisemitic material [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Jonathan_Livingston_Seagull&diff=1266142711&oldid=1263282355 removed recently] by [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång]]. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 11:58, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:::If there was something antisemitic, it wasn't obvious to me. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 12:46, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::::It was vandalism in the navbox template <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;">'''[[User:Qcne|<span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span>]]''' <small>[[User talk:Qcne|<span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span>]]</small></span> 12:59, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::I'm guessing [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Template:Grammy_Award_for_Best_Spoken_Word_Album&action=history this thing]. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 15:53, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

== CREATE ACCOUNT FOR ME ==

CREATE [[Special:Contributions/2600:1017:B104:6B80:0:49:A290:E01|2600:1017:B104:6B80:0:49:A290:E01]] ([[User talk:2600:1017:B104:6B80:0:49:A290:E01|talk]]) 08:08, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:<small>(why is everyone typing in all caps today?)</small> IP editor, you can create an account [[Special:CreateAccount|here]]. <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace">'''<nowiki>'''[[</nowiki>[[User:CanonNi]]<nowiki>]]'''</nowiki>'''</span> ([[User talk:CanonNi|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CanonNi|contribs]])</span> 08:19, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:Hi IP, you can also read more on the process at [[Wikipedia:Why create an account?]]. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 08:20, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

== Adding COI to a previous shared sandbox/draft ==

Hi there! My question might be a bit complicated. I published a draft of a sandbox but the content was blocked for commercial reasons, as for the user name I chose. As I have a new user name, I would like to add some changes to the draft and the sandbox previously shared (I published the change erroneously on my [[User_talk:Andrea_Biographer#Some_proposed_changes|talk page]]), where should I publish them? Should I update my sandbox directly and try to publish a new draft containing all the changes and the COI? Thanks for your help! [[User:Andrea Biographer|Andrea Biographer]] ([[User talk:Andrea Biographer|talk]]) 09:51, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Andrea Biographer|Andrea Biographer]] When your account was renamed, the old draft was automatically moved to [[User:Andrea Biographer/sandbox]], where it can be edited as usual, or moved to [[Draft:Gridspertise]] (currently a redlink). You have already declared your [[WP:PAID|paid status]] on your new userpage. I would caution that the current version of the draft reads as overly [[WP:PROMOTION|promotional]], with too many references to Gridspertise's website and not enough to show [[WP:NCORP|wikinotability]]. It also has problems like overuse of [[MOS:BOLD|boldface type]]. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 11:49, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::Hi Mike! Thanks for your answer, I proposed some changes already to this sandbox, I will apply them now and see if it is a more suitable version to be published. [[User:Andrea Biographer|Andrea Biographer]] ([[User talk:Andrea Biographer|talk]]) 15:53, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

== I'm trying to add the logo of Ster-Kinekor ==

[[Ster-Kinekor]] [[User:Karabo Matabane|Karabo Matabane]] ([[User talk:Karabo Matabane|talk]]) 11:00, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Karabo Matabane|Karabo Matabane]]. Welcome to the Teahouse. Have you read [[WP:Logos]]? Does that help? If not please clearly state what problem you are having. [[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]]|[[User talk:Shantavira|<sup>feed me</sup>]] 11:20, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

== Article created bypassing the 'N' tag new page ==


How and why this poor girl [[Cecilia Sala]] bypassed the standard creation procedure? gtp ([[User talk:MC12GT1|talk]]) 11:45, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
Both the articles [[Warren Beatty]] and [[Shirley MacLaine]] mention their uncle [[A. A. MacLeod]] but while the Beatty article has "Canadian politician" the MacLaine article has "a Communist member of the Ontario legislature in the 1940s". I'm wondering if the details should be added to the former or deleted from the latter. While neither article mentions MacLeod again his includes "Both Beatty and MacLaine have referred to the MacLeods as a major influence on their own liberal political philosophy. One of Beatty's biographers has commented that his aunt and uncle were "the private inspiration" behind his portrait of Louise Bryant and John Reed in his 1981 film Reds." so perhaps both should.


:Got my answer by myself. Some sort of high levels recommendation... gtp ([[User talk:MC12GT1|talk]]) 11:49, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
Incidentally, the MacLaine article refers to MacLeod as "her mother's brother-in-law" while the Beatty article has "uncle by marriage". MacLeod's article describes his wife as the sister of their mother. [[User:Mcljlm|Mcljlm]] ([[User talk:Mcljlm|talk]]) 18:54, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
:Specifically because the editor who created it is [[WP:Autopatrolled]] but anyone who is [[WP:Autoconfirmed]] could have done the same, although their new article would have been subject to scrutiny by the [[WP:NPP|new pages patrol]]. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 11:53, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::''Articles for Creation'' isn't the "standard procedure" at all. It's really only for brand new accounts. I don't know the exact ratio but I belive only a very small minority of new articles go through that procedure. -- [[User:DandelionAndBurdock|D'n'B]]-''[[User_talk:DandelionAndBurdock|📞]]'' -- 12:02, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Perhaps not "very small minority" for AfC. According to Wikipedia statistics the average for English Wikipedia is about 530 new articles per day, with the total approaching seven million.


== Good Sources for Articles ==
:@[[User:Mcljlm|Mcljlm]] I think that this is a case where the wikilinks really help. Anyone reading the articles can navigate to the MacLeod article or just hover-over the link to get the first sentence of his article, which gives the full information. If you are convinced something needs to be changed, you can just be [[WP:BOLD]] and do it, or use the Talk Page of the respective articles to discuss your suggestion. There will be lots of watchers for these high-traffic articles. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 11:16, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
::I'm convinced something needs changing but not sure which or whether to add to both, which is why I posted here. [[User:Mcljlm|Mcljlm]] ([[User talk:Mcljlm|talk]]) 00:33, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
:::I don't believe that the two actors' articles referring to the same aspects of their lives is problematic. A member of a legislature in Ontario is indisputably a Canadian politician, as Ontario is in Canada and a legislature is the forum in which politicians enact legislation. Both are true. The brother-in-law of one's mother is an uncle, the relationship to which is established through the mother's own marriage, and is therefore an uncle, but not of direct blood, rather "by marriage". Both are equivalent to each other. Likewise if your mother's sister (it must be a sister) marries a man, that man is your uncle by marriage (the sister remains a full blood aunt) as well as being your mother's own brother-in-law and, conversely, your the brother-in-law himself has a wife, the original sister, who is the sister of the two subjects' own mother, i.e. Beatty's and MacLaine's mother. It all makes logical sense. The merit of not amending such texts to be seemingly formulaic is (a) it doesn't actually need doing; (b) it lends credence to the "individual contributors" idea that is (c) core to the WP project. [[User:Jeepvee|Jeepvee]] ([[User talk:Jeepvee|talk]]) 22:03, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
::::through the mother's own marriage -> should read "through the mother's sister's own marriage" [[User:Jeepvee|Jeepvee]] ([[User talk:Jeepvee|talk]]) 22:04, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
:::::I wondered if both should mention he's a Communist member or neither. It seems strange that one does but not the other. Equally with the actors' relationship to him, it's as if they're intentionally different just for the sake of it. Even though articles are the products of different people those on very similar subjects shouldn't be be so different in describing specific details. [[User:Mcljlm|Mcljlm]] ([[User talk:Mcljlm|talk]]) 08:36, 10 November 2022 (UTC)


G-Day
== Page number in a pdf of a journal ==


I wanted to ask if there is any reliable source for Articles. I cannot afford my personal favourite, The "Britannica" Encyclopedia, since they seem to be rare and expensive. Thank you. (I know this isn't about a specific Article but I need to know this) [[User:PizzaFrank|PizzaFrank]] ([[User talk:PizzaFrank|talk]]) 13:51, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
Hello Teahouse, I've tried finding the answer to this question but had no luck so I'm bringing it here. Is there a preference or a guideline to what page number I should use when referencing a pdf of a scholarly journal? As a specific example, I am trying to reference The ''Florida Historical Quarterly'' (direct link: http://palmm.digital.flvc.org/islandora/object/ucf%3A22393). The page I am referencing is "page" 25 of the pdf but page 345 of the journal. Which is correct? Thank you! [[User:Amscheip|Amscheip]] ([[User talk:Amscheip|talk]]) 00:31, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
:@[[User:PizzaFrank|PizzaFrank]] there are all sorts of reliable sources, not just Encyclopædia Britannica, and most don't require a purchase of any kind. See [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources]] for a detailed overview of RSes here on Wikipedia. <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace">'''<nowiki>'''[[</nowiki>[[User:CanonNi]]<nowiki>]]'''</nowiki>'''</span> ([[User talk:CanonNi|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CanonNi|contribs]])</span> 13:55, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you, I will check that out. [[User:PizzaFrank|PizzaFrank]] ([[User talk:PizzaFrank|talk]]) 14:03, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:{{u|PizzaFrank}} Note that you don't have to personally own the source- it just needs to be publicly accessible, like online, or in a library. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 14:01, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::Understood Thank you for the help. [[User:PizzaFrank|PizzaFrank]] ([[User talk:PizzaFrank|talk]]) 14:04, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:::[[User:PizzaFrank|PizzaFrank]] I have used https://www.britannica.com a few times, and there is no fee to use the online version of Encyclopedia Britannica. [[User:Karenthewriter|Karenthewriter]] ([[User talk:Karenthewriter|talk]]) 18:27, 30 December 2024 (UTC)


== Can I use this picture? ==
:[[User:Amscheip|Amscheip]], I would say, from common sense, 345. Anyone who has a copy of the journal will be able to look up 345, but only people with the pdf can look up 25. [[User:Sungodtemple|Sungodtemple]] ([[User talk:Sungodtemple|talk]]) 00:42, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
::@[[User:Sungodtemple|Sungodtemple]] That makes total sense, thank you! [[User:Amscheip|Amscheip]] ([[User talk:Amscheip|talk]]) 04:04, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
:I would go further than Sungodtemple. The essential part of a citation is information that will allow a reader first to evaluate whether it is likely to be worth looking at, and secondly to find the source if they wish to. A link to an online source is a convenience for the reader, not an essential part of the citation. It follows that the original page number is part of the reference, and the page number in the PDF is not. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 11:22, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
::@[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] thank you as well for the input and guidance. [[User:Amscheip|Amscheip]] ([[User talk:Amscheip|talk]]) 21:47, 10 November 2022 (UTC)


I don't really understand all the rules about using images. Can I use [https://digitalcollections.library.gsu.edu/digital/collection/ajc/id/3808 this one] For [[Fulton County Jail]]?
== Expansion ==
It says, "no permission is required from the rights-holder(s) for educational uses." Thanks!
[[User:Ironic sensibilities|Ironic]] ([[User talk:Ironic sensibilities|talk]]) 15:07, 30 December 2024 (UTC)


:I'm just not sure if it has the correct creative commons license. [[User:Ironic sensibilities|Ironic]] ([[User talk:Ironic sensibilities|talk]]) 15:07, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
I would like to expand pages as wikipedia practice, but there are no guides i could find. Could someone link to a guide to help me expand stub articles? <sub>[[User:Notacoworcat|56independent/notacoworcat]]</sub><sup>[[User_talk:Notacoworcat|Talk]]</sup> 19:08, 8 November 2022 (UTC) <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:56independent|56independent]] ([[User talk:56independent#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/56independent|contribs]]) </small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::No, because images must allow for reuse by anyone '''for any purpose''' with attribution; allowing it for "educational" purposes only means it can't be used for other purposes(like commercial). I don't know if it would be possible to use as a non-free image. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 15:09, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:Hello [[User:56independent|56independent]]. I don't know of any link regarding expanding stub articles, but when I do so I follow the same rules as when creating a new article, as outlined in [[Help:Your first article]]. New information has to come from reliable sources, and be presented in a neutral style. [[Help:Referencing for beginners]] and [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources]] may be of help when collecting good reference sources needed for the expansion. I also find it helpful to read numerous good Wikipedia articles about similar topics, to get a better idea of what is generally included in such articles. I hope this is of help to you. [[User:Karenthewriter|Karenthewriter]] ([[User talk:Karenthewriter|talk]]) 17:31, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
:::Thanks! I thought maybe that would be the case. Does anyone else know if I can use it as a non-free image? [[User:Ironic sensibilities|Ironic]] ([[User talk:Ironic sensibilities|talk]]) 15:33, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::Ah, thanks! <sub>[[User:Notacoworcat|56independent/notacoworcat]]</sub><sup>[[User_talk:Notacoworcat|Talk]]</sup> 07:47, 10 November 2022 (UTC) <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:56independent|56independent]] ([[User talk:56independent#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/56independent|contribs]]) </small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::::@[[User:Ironic sensibilities|Ironic sensibilities]] I ''think'' so but I'll ping @[[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] for a second opinion. I'm not sure where we stand when the photo of the "dead" building is not for leadimage. Pity it wasn't from 1928. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 16:42, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::::You can use it only if you can convincingly argue that its use meets ''every one'' of the [[WP:non-free content criteria|non-free content criteria]]. The critical one, probably is No 8: {{tq|'''Contextual significance.''' Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding}}. I think you wil have a job arguing that, but others may disagree. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 16:43, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Yeah. "Not knowing how the old building looked is detrimental to that understanding." I'm not saying it's ''convincing''. One possibility is to put a link to the photo-page under External links. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 16:47, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::OK, I guess I'll do the external link. I don't think I would be willing to argue that absence of a photo of an old building would be detrimental to readers' understanding since the prison isn't even in that building anymore. I mean it's helpful for historical background, but not clearly necessary. Thanks to everyone who chimed in here. [[User:Ironic sensibilities|Ironic]] ([[User talk:Ironic sensibilities|talk]]) 16:53, 30 December 2024 (UTC)


== How do I supress an IP address. ==
== Why is Audrey.m.horn so rude? ==


I made a few edits over the past week without realizing I wasn't logged in and would like it removed lol. Probably not a big deal either way regardless though. [[User:Zgub6|Zgub6]] ([[User talk:Zgub6|talk]]) 16:08, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
He deleted my work! 😡😡😩 [[User:Scarlett7910|Scarlett7910]] ([[User talk:Scarlett7910|talk]]) 04:40, 9 November 2022 (UTC)


:See [[WP:OVERSIGHT]]. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 16:12, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:Do you want to delete this section now and issue a mea culpa, or [[WP:BOOMERANG|get blocked]] for [[Special:Contributions/Scarlett7910|your behaviour]]? —[[User:Jéské Couriano|<i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i>]] [[User talk:Jéské Couriano|<span style="color: #228B22">v^&lowbar;^v</span>]] <sup><small>[[Special:Contributions/Jéské Couriano|a little blue Bori]]</small></sup> 04:45, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
:{{ec}} [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:Audrey.m.horn&action=history your edits on Audrey's page] is certainly pot calling kettle black, without looking into the user interaction between the both of you yet. [[User:Robertsky|– robertsky]] ([[User talk:Robertsky|talk]]) 04:47, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
:You blanked their userpage, which is generally off-limits, then [[Wikipedia:PA|personally attacked]] them ("Fuck you fat bitch") without a second thought (if you bothered to give more of a glance at the edit history, you'd see that another user actually deleted the majority of your work). They listed the reasons in their edit summaries. I understand the frustration with your work being deleted, but [[WP:AGF]] - attacking other editors and putting them down isn't allowed here, especially with a response as vehement as yours. Continuing that behavior is sure to get you blocked.
:Additionally, this line on your userpage ("Who i hate on wiki is Audrey.m.horn") reminds me of other people's userpages when I edited FANDOM, rigorously listing their on-wiki relationships and who they're friends with and hate. Wikipedia isn't FANDOM. Don't be reckless with your edits. You also have to [[Help:Referencing for beginners|provide references]] for info you add, not [[Wikipedia:OR|original research]]. <span style="color:#7f4bad">'''— V<small>ORTEX</small>'''</span><sup><u><small>[[User:Vortex3427|3427]]</small></u></sup> <small>([[User talk:Vortex3427|Talk!]])</small> 04:51, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
::@[[User:Scarlett7910|Scarlett7910]] It appears you've blanked his userpage... again. To be on Wikipedia, you need to have a certain level of maturity, and not childishly retaliate every time you get angry at somebody. <span style="color:#7f4bad">'''— V<small>ORTEX</small>'''</span><sup><u><small>[[User:Vortex3427|3427]]</small></u></sup> <small>([[User talk:Vortex3427|Talk!]])</small> 05:05, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
:@[[User:Scarlett7910|Scarlett7910]] Digging further into yours and @[[User:Audrey.m.horn|Audrey.m.horn]]'s edit history, your anger seems misplaced. Audrey did not remove all of your work. The editor who [[Special:Permalink/1119928688|reverted your work]] was @[[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] at [[Far Eastern curlew]], who stated that "revert to remove unattributed copying from https://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/threatenedspeciesapp/profile.aspx?id=20284 and https://www.dcceew.gov.au/sites/default/files/env/pages/ef45109a-9c9f-461f-a821-a3d78a2af8dd/files/eastern-curlew-consultation.pdf; regardless of licensing, it's not okay to just copy huge PDFs into articles with no formatting or citations". Dan [[Special:Permalink/1119975572|later stated]] that "decline revdel, sources are licensed under CC BY 4.0, though restoration of any copied text would require explicitly acknowledging the copying". [[User:Robertsky|– robertsky]] ([[User talk:Robertsky|talk]]) 04:57, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
::Every article addition you have made have been reverted (by several editors), and you are on the verge of being indefinitely blocked, per reasons given on your Talk page. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 05:09, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
:@[[User:Scarlett7910|Scarlett7910]]: Additionally, Dan had also left you a templated warning about source attribution on your talk page. Moving foward, what you should do are:
:# Apologise to Audrey for this outburst. Don't take it out on Dan as well, it will be unnecessary and will likely result in an almost immediate block on you.
:# Take a break. Come back later when you have cooled down. All is not lost yet.
:# If you are still interested in having those texts be incorporated into the article, follow Dan's suggestions and do the appropriate formatting and citations.
:The above are friendly suggestions. It is up to you to take it up. And oh, do not assume Audrey's gender, or anyone's. If you do not know the other editor's gender, just refer to the editor as 'they' to be safe. (With the benefit of [[User:BrandonXLF/ShowUserGender|an userscript]] that draws out editor's preferred pronouns via API, Audrey is 'she'.) [[User:Robertsky|– robertsky]] ([[User talk:Robertsky|talk]]) 05:16, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
::wow, what a mess... I didn't even realize all this was happening, lol. sorry you took my reversion personally @[[User:Scarlett7910|Scarlett7910]], I was just maintaining the page. [[User:Audrey.m.horn|Audrey.m.horn]] ([[User talk:Audrey.m.horn|talk]]) 05:22, 11 November 2022 (UTC)


== numbers in context ==
== Anyone will ce, clean-up these articles? ==


My inquiry is about putting numbers in context and how Wikipedia might contribute to that initiative. In this age of information, we are often overrun with a surplus of data or even just data that is not in context. We are bombarded on a daily basis with numbers having to do with science, global warming, national budget deficits, geography, politics, money, etc.... The media often does not put the numbers it gives us in context of the big picture. For example, our current national deficit is about $36 trillion. What does that mean? It would be useful to have a central site in which one could search on the US deficit and understand what that number is in context of other things. Although I am not an expert in monetary matters, i could see how one would put the number on a per capita basis and compare it to other countries. The number could also be compared to GDP and also compared in that way to other countries. The history of the deficit and how it compares to inflation, or any other appropriate metric, could also be discussed. If I search Wikipedia currently on the topic of the deficit, I will find much of the information suggested above. But I'm suggesting a graphical way of making many comparisons and concentrating on the data and graphs rather than the text in it's current format. In its current form, the site gives quite a bit of verbal information making occasional reference to the graphs. The graphs are very much a second thought and sometimes ever hard to read.
Hi, some random editor is removing entire sections of the articles without disscusing on talk page. I tried to talk him, but by his editing hist, its looks like he just undo peoples edits by Twinkle. The editor name is [[User: MrOllie]] The article I want your clean-up, ce are - [[Surrogate advertising]], [[Fantacy sport]], [[Professional wrestling in India]] and [[Sport in India]][[User:Rock Stone Gold Castle|Rock Stone Gold Castle]] ([[User talk:Rock Stone Gold Castle|talk]]) 11:59, 9 November 2022 (UTC)


I suggest creating a site in which the data/graphs are given the focus with little verbiage to go with it. The graphs/comparisons could be manipulated by the users for a better view e.g. manipulating axes to zoom in on a span of interest. As with Wikipedia articles, the information used to populate the topics would be provided by users and reviewed. Appropriate references would have to be provided etc...
:@[[User:Rock Stone Gold Castle|Rock Stone Gold Castle]] Hello, I haven’t actually had a look, but I would suggest starting a discussion with them, there could be good reasoning for removing the content in question, but if not, you could always seek help from an administrator? Removing content without consensus or good reason is not ideal, but then again, I don’t know the specifics. [[User:Blanchey|Blanchey]] ([[User talk:Blanchey|talk]]) 12:38, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
::Mr. Ollie left an explanation for deletion at [[Talk:Fantasy sport]]. You and Mr. O are on the verge of edit warring on [[Surrogate advertising]]. Mr. O has no edits on the other two. Proper places to dispute are the Talk pages of the articles in question. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 13:01, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
{{Ping| David notMD}}, Hi, I already asked him to discuss on TPs but he just undo whatever he sees. I saw his hist, he don't add anything or do ce but just revert. I told him tell me whatever improvements you want in my edits but, if i reduced para size will satisfy you but he says don't add anything, no need to write. If you discourage others like this who will be wp grow? Will anyone tell him to be tolerant?[[User:Rock Stone Gold Castle|Rock Stone Gold Castle]] ([[User talk:Rock Stone Gold Castle|talk]]) 07:42, 10 November 2022 (UTC)


Alternatively, the information could be entered in a current Wikipedia article in a special section labeled as "data" (or something similar). In that section, the data would become the central focus of the information in question where the user could make easy comparisons and see in-depth context of the numbers and be able to manipulate the view of the graphs in a more interactive manner.
==Help with a simple tool for Coordinated Edits==
Hi, can any one support or help me with a simple tool that I can use to monitor, coordinated edits for these two campaigns. <br>
1. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Code_for_Africa_Climate_Change_Project <br>
2. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Kenya_Elections_Hate_Speech/Misinformation_Prevention


the site data.gov makes a very poor attempt at providing this kind of information. In that site, some of the data is even available in Excel spreadsheet format, which is a good idea. But the search function and comparison capabilities are very poor and left entirely up to the user by accessing various sites to compile the information.
I will be grateful if I could get a tool for coordinated edits, Thanks. [[User:Jwale2|Jwale2]] ([[User talk:Jwale2|talk]]) 19:04, 9 November 2022 (UTC)`


Please let me know if you would be interested in this initiative. I could compile data about a given topic to show in more detail my vision of what the information would look like under my proposal. I would welcome your comments and suggestions.
:hey,leave me a message on my talk page,i would like to work with you on this. [[User:ItsMeKeys|ItsMeKeys]] ([[User talk:ItsMeKeys|talk]]) 21:17, 10 November 2022 (UTC)


Sincerely,
== Myles Moylan ==
*{{courtesy link|Myles Moylan}}
I want to add a Findagrave link to Myles Moylan's page to support my claim that he was born in Tuam, Co Galway. I know that Findagrave is not usually acceptable but I have connected Myles to his parents (who were married and buried in Tuam)and three brothers. I have attached records and newspaper cuttings which make it difficult to believe that he could have been born in America. I know that anyone researching Myles will find the Findgrave page but I would like to have it on his wiki page. https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/5929202/myles-moylan ∼∼∼∼ [[User:BuffyO&#39;B|BuffyO&#39;B]] ([[User talk:BuffyO&#39;B|talk]]) 20:54, 9 November 2022 (UTC)


Oliver [[User:Noisemann|Noisemann]] ([[User talk:Noisemann|talk]]) 16:46, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:Hi @[[User:BuffyO'B|BuffyO'B]], welcome to the Teahouse. It seems you already know that Find a Grave is not a reliable source; unfortunately, no amount of [[WP:OR|original research]] on your part will be able to change that. However, adding an external link to it at the end of an article ''is'' sometimes allowed - see [[Wikipedia:External_links/Perennial_websites#Find_a_Grave|here]]. [[Special:Contributions/199.208.172.35|199.208.172.35]] ([[User talk:199.208.172.35|talk]]) 21:03, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
::Thank you for that information. I have had many arguments about Myles Moylan's birthplace and I won't pretend to understand why a newspaper article or an article in an historical journal isn't enough to prove a point. I understand that's the way it is with wiki and that won't change. I'd like to put in an external link to direct researchers to the information I have uploaded onto Findagrave. Where would I put the external link? In references? ∼∼∼∼ [[User:BuffyO&#39;B|BuffyO&#39;B]] ([[User talk:BuffyO&#39;B|talk]]) 21:33, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
:::@[[User:BuffyO'B|BuffyO'B]], external links go in their own dedicated section, usually at the very end of the article. See [[7th Cavalry Regiment]] for an example (also, [[Wikipedia:External_links#External_links_section|here]] is the actual guideline on it). [[Special:Contributions/199.208.172.35|199.208.172.35]] ([[User talk:199.208.172.35|talk]]) 21:37, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
::::Thank you. I have figured out how to add an External Link. Am I allowed to add itto Myles Moylan's page? ∼∼∼∼ [[User:BuffyO&#39;B|BuffyO&#39;B]] ([[User talk:BuffyO&#39;B|talk]]) 22:10, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
:::::That's an interesting question, @[[User:BuffyO'B|BuffyO'B]]. You're certainly ''able'' to. If you genuinely think it meets the rules laid out for external links (or if you're convinced it would improve Wikipedia and want to [[WP:IAR|ignore all rules]]), you should be able to add it without fear of serious consequences. But it's always possible that someone may disagree and revert your addition. In that case, discussion should follow. [[Special:Contributions/199.208.172.35|199.208.172.35]] ([[User talk:199.208.172.35|talk]]) 22:21, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
::::::When I started researching Myles Moylan I would have been delighted to have been presented with the documents that I have uploaded to Findagrave but if the documents/newspaper articles are not acceptable as sources then I suppose an external link carrying these documents is hardly acceptable. Anybody researching Moylan will find the Findagrave page anyway. I got into trouble before for editing his page so I think I'll leave it. Thank you for your time and information.∼∼∼∼ [[User:BuffyO&#39;B|BuffyO&#39;B]] ([[User talk:BuffyO&#39;B|talk]]) 22:42, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
:::::::I have no idea what newspaper articles you wish to use as sources, but [[WP:OFFLINE]] may be of interest. Per your OP, don't get into [[WP:OR]] though. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 09:39, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
::::::::If you go to the following link, it will take you to John Moylan, brother of Myles. I cannot add photos to Myles's profile. https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/169515151/john-moylan You will find an article dated 22nd July 1876 ( a few weeks after the Battle of the Little Bighorn) that was published in the Tuam Herald, a Co Galway loocal paper, which is in operation since 1838. Myles is quite clearly connected to Tuam through his late brother John and nephews. An article from the Evening Mail, Stockton, Calif dated 19th April, 1901 connects Myles to a cousin John. It states quite clearly that they haven't met in sixty years since they left Ireland.
::::::::If you follow through to Thomas E Moylan (brother of John and Myles) you will find a small piece from the West Newbury Messenger where a visit by Myles to his brother Thomas is recorded.
::::::::The Journal of the Old Tuam Society published an article about the Moylans of Tuam, mainly about Myles and his nephew Brother Michael Titus, 5th Superior of the Christian Brothers. I can only offer the following link, which doesn't obviously bring you to the article as it's only available in hard copy. https://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000237091 [[User:BuffyO&#39;B|BuffyO&#39;B]] ([[User talk:BuffyO&#39;B|talk]]) 10:53, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
::::::::::Hi {{u|BuffyO'B}} I apologize in advance if I'm misunderstanding something about your original post, but it sounds like you did your own research on this matter and then uploaded what you find out to Findagrave. If that's really the case, then you would be essentially [[:WP:CITESELF|citing yourself]] which means you would need to be considered a reliable source per [[:WP:SPS]]. If you're basing your research on what you found in reliable secondary sources then it would seem better to simply cite those sources instead of your interpretation of those sources. Unless you're a well-established and recognized as reliable source on such matters, your interpretations are going to be considered [[:WP:OR]]. Even as a [[:WP:EL]] a link to your research would probably be problematic per [[:WP:NOBLOGS]]. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 11:14, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
:::::::::::I have difficulty with what is considered original research. I uploaded the census return for 1855 and original enlistment record for 1857 to Findagrave. I know that neither are acceptable to Wiki. The newspaper reports are surely not original research, but you need a subscription to access them. That's why I snipped them and uploaded them to Findagrave, so that other researchers could access them. I couldn't upload the article in the Journal of the Old Tuam Society. Apart from being lengthy, it's under copyright. It really doesn't matter in the long run. Researchers will gravitate towards Myles's Findagrave page anyway and find the trail and it'll be clear to them that he was a Tuam man. Thank you for your time.∼∼∼∼ [[User:BuffyO&#39;B|BuffyO&#39;B]] ([[User talk:BuffyO&#39;B|talk]]) 11:50, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
{{od|12}} A census return is not really "original research", but it would almost certainly considered a [[:WP:PRIMARYSOURCE]] and could only be used in certain ways. Original research would be if you cited the census return as a source and then add your own interpretation of it. What you would need to find are reliable [[:WP:SECONDARYSOURCE]]S that interpret the return and then cite them. As for needing a subscription to vuew a source, that's OK per [[:WP:PAYWALL]] as long as the source is considered reliable per [[:WP:RS]] and used in proper [[:WP:RSCONTEXT]]; in other words, a source doesn't need to be freely available online or even available online at all as long as it's [[WP:PUBLISH|published and relatively accessible]]. The fact that someone may have to pay money to view the source makes assessing it a bit harder, but it doesn't make it impossible. Finally, uploading clippings to Findagrave or some other website often runs into problems as explained in [[:WP:CONVENIENCE]], unless it can be clearly determined that the source has not been altered in anyway. An online archive like [[:Newspapers.com]] or the [[:Wayback Machine]] is essentially one very big pool of convenience links, but usually these links can be used to verify that the archived content is as it was when originally first published. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 12:13, 10 November 2022 (UTC)


:Hello; this isn't really the best place to propose broad initiatives like this- I would suggest the [[WP:VP|Village Pump]] is better suited to that. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 16:48, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:The census return was turned down because it was accessible through Ancestry, a third party site – https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=4472&h=4067232&tid=&pid=&queryId=8043d68652f62795afd9bb2c6b7c1209&usePUB=true&_phsrc=pTu8951&_phstart=successSource
:The enlistment form was turned down for the same reason - https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1198&h=454619&tid=&pid=&queryId=2aa27f794ef1efc315b13c61ccb783e2&usePUB=true&_phsrc=pTu8928&_phstart=successSource
:The Tuam Herald report dated July 22nd, 1876 is available on Irishnewsarchives.com. It was turned down because it was inconclusive - there could be two Myles Moylans, one from Tuam and one from Amesbury, MA. The others newspaper clippings are available on Newspapers.com. I can't remember what was wrong with them.
:Nobody can access the Moylan article from the Journal of the Old Tuam Society unless they buy a copy.
:It took me a while to realise that I was wasting my time. When a descendant of a brother of Myles got in touch with me, I thought I'd have another shot at it. Thanks for replying to me.∼∼∼∼ [[User:BuffyO&#39;B|BuffyO&#39;B]] ([[User talk:BuffyO&#39;B|talk]]) 14:27, 10 November 2022 (UTC)


== Photograph attribution ==
== Introducing my parents/family to being a wikipedian ==


I want to use a portrait of my grandfather taken in 1915 by a company that no longer exists. I can show an attribution in the caption, but there is nobody I can seek permission from. How do I proceed, please? [[User:Gangnam Woodford|Gangnam Woodford]] ([[User talk:Gangnam Woodford|talk]]) 16:52, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
Hello! i have been a wikipedian for a while now and it's fun but my parents don't know yet, they use WP but don't like the editing aspect, my brother uses it the most and once said he would never have the guts to edit WP articles in case he makes a mistake, and my other brother doesn't think much of what he calls "wikifolk", he would be the hardest.


:Hello. It depends on the laws of your country, but a photo taken in 1915 is likely in the public domain. According to https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory/United_States in the US anything published before 1929 is public domain(other than sound recordings), so it would just depend on your own country. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 16:56, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::Yes '''BUT''' (big but!), "publication" in the context of US copyright law has a specifical technical, legal definition. It doesn't mean "creation" or even "giving a copy to a particular person". [[commons:COM:Hirtle chart|Hirtle chart]]. A photograph of a private individual is almost certainly an "unpublished work" under the US copyright meaning of that term, which matters significantly for the length of its copyright term especially if an "older" work. Copyright is a subject that gets quite technical, so if not familiar and experienced with copyright issues, it is best to hesitate to advise others before researching things in detail and double-checking, and if in doubt, direct others to forums like [[commons:COM:VP/C|Commons]] where experts can be found. --[[User:Slowking Man|Slowking Man]] ([[User talk:Slowking Man|talk]]) 20:02, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:Gangnam Woodford|Gangnam Woodford]] Is this an American picture? If so, you can upload it as public domain, see [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Hirtle_chart]. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 16:57, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::Sorry, should have said: UK. [[User:Gangnam Woodford|Gangnam Woodford]] ([[User talk:Gangnam Woodford|talk]]) 16:58, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Gangnam Woodford|Gangnam Woodford]] Still good, see this example: [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Archibald_Joyce.jpg File:Archibald Joyce.jpg]. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 17:02, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Thank you! [[User:Gangnam Woodford|Gangnam Woodford]] ([[User talk:Gangnam Woodford|talk]]) 17:06, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Please also see [[MOS:CREDITS]] ".... do not credit the image author or copyright holder in the article. .... as long as the appropriate credit is on the image description page." - [[User:Arjayay|Arjayay]] ([[User talk:Arjayay|talk]]) 17:16, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::Thanks. [[User:Gangnam Woodford|Gangnam Woodford]] ([[User talk:Gangnam Woodford|talk]]) 17:29, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:{{to|Gangnam Woodford}} "Congratulations", you've just tripped onto one of the fun little copyright law landmines that are out there (alternately: "job security for lawyers"). Everything on [[commons:|Wikimedia Commons]] must be public domain in '''''both''''' the US, '''and''' origin country. This means you have to care about US copyright law and all its nuances: see [[commons:COM:Hirtle chart|Hirtle chart]]. Unless the picture was like put on display in an art gallery or something, it is an "unpublished" work and therefore ''still under copyright in the US until 2035!'' (120 yrs from creation date) Really! Welcome to copyright law!
:{{br}}
:Here are the practical implications for you in this case: Is this image going to be used in an article? If so, upload it ''here on enwp'' (not Commons) by [[Special:Upload|following this link]], and tag it {{tl|PD-UK-unknown}}, as well as adding a [[WP:fair use rationale|fair use rationale]] since it's still under US copyright.
:Add it to the article(s), nothing more needed—some bot should automatically transport it over to Commons when it finally lapses into PD-US. However, if you just, say, want to use the image on your [[WP:user page|user page]], I'm afraid you aren't going to be able to for 10 more years. So stick a pin in the calendar for that. --[[User:Slowking Man|Slowking Man]] ([[User talk:Slowking Man|talk]]) 19:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)


== An Article About CK ==
What would be a good way introduce WP maintainence to my parents? maybe sending them the [[Wikipedia:Can't break it|WP:CANTBREAKIT]]? how do i explain to them that's its not all new articles and major edits? that you are free to fix any little mistake you see and revert vandalism? i'm a photog and my parents do know that so maybe i should introduce them to the commons first.
{{resolved|1=Young person goofing off --[[User:Slowking Man|Slowking Man]] ([[User talk:Slowking Man|talk]]) 20:14, 31 December 2024 (UTC)}}
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I was asked by christen kuikoua representation to write an article about him and it was declined saying I didn't correctly reference it. Please if anyone wishes to jump in and help me with Will appreciate it [[Draft:Christen Kuikoua]]


[[User:Silvernet123|Silvernet123]] ([[User talk:Silvernet123|talk]]) 18:27, 30 December 2024 (UTC)


:Hello {{u|Silvernet123}}, I've left some instructions on your talk page about the [[WP:DISCLOSEPAY|mandatory paid editing disclosure]] that is required by Wikimedia's terms of service. Please follow those instructions before making any other edits. -- [[User:DandelionAndBurdock|D'n'B]]-''[[User_talk:DandelionAndBurdock|📞]]'' -- 19:03, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
Or should i just straight up tell them i patrol and edit WP?
::Okay thank you [[User:Silvernet123|Silvernet123]] ([[User talk:Silvernet123|talk]]) 19:05, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:::{{u|Silvernet123}}, are you actually being paid to write complete garbage like {{tpq|He is known as one of the most philosophical minds in the 21st century with a record of 200+ Quotations and 89+ Poetry highlighting themes of love, patience, self-worth, discipline, and Christ-like values}} about an unknown 17 year old? That is the complete opposite of how an encyclopedia article should be written. Would you take a job as a chef if you don't know how to cook? [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]])
::::{{u|Silvernet123}} I would add that our incentive to help you is low......if you're being paid to be here, it's up to you to learn our standards and what we're looking for. We're here for free. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 19:18, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::::That's fair. I appreciate your feedback and will take the time to learn and meet Wikipedia's standards. Thank you for pointing me in the right direction. but still if you can assist I will appreciate [[User:Silvernet123|Silvernet123]] ([[User talk:Silvernet123|talk]]) 19:25, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Hello, @[[User:Silvernet123|Silvernet123]]. This is probably not what you want to hear, but: {{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}} [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 20:59, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::The entire article is written as self-promotion. One of your references is to fan writing on Medium claiming "(Account Not Own By Christen Kuikoua)", but appears to be copy/paste of material written by the subject. Promotional material does not belong in Wikipedia. Trying to create some fake noteriety by sneaking badly ghost-written articles into Wikipedia and elsewhere is unethical. If you wish to fake fame, then low-accountability social meda sites are probably more appropriate. [[User:Just Al|Just Al]] ([[User talk:Just Al|talk]]) 21:15, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:Yo, I got here ‘cause I’ve been hearing you say I paid or my "representation" paid you to write an article. Like, not trying to be rude, but you gotta chill. I didn’t send you anywhere, and no one representing me sent you either. Bro, if you’re one of my friends messing around, you gotta stop.
:I looked at the draft, and while it’s kind of you to try writing something for me, you gotta do it the right way. Don’t go around saying I sent you somewhere—just saying, it’s not a good look. I’d like Wikipedia to delete the draft because I didn’t pay anyone, and I’m not planning on paying anyone either. [[User:Christenkofficial|Christenkofficial]] ([[User talk:Christenkofficial|talk]]) 23:54, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::Hi Christenkofficial,
::Thank you for reaching out and clarifying your position. First, I want to say that I genuinely admire your work, which is why I was inspired to write about it. However, I now realize that my actions may have caused confusion or unintended trouble for you. I’m really sorry for using your name like that without your knowledge or permission it wasn’t my intention to create any issues.
::If you’d like the draft to be deleted, I completely understand and will fully support that. Thank you for bringing this to my attention, and I’ll be more careful moving forward.
::Best regards,
::Silvernet123 [[User:Silvernet123|Silvernet123]] ([[User talk:Silvernet123|talk]]) 00:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
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:Note that the account {{u|Christenkofficial}} has (correctly or not, I'm just reporting) now been blocked as a sockpuppet of {{u|Silvernet123}}, per [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Silvernet123]]. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} [[Special:Contributions/94.1.223.204|94.1.223.204]] ([[User talk:94.1.223.204|talk]]) 03:35, 31 December 2024 (UTC)


== How to add sources ==
[[User:OGWFP|OGWFP]] ([[User talk:OGWFP|talk]]) 21:20, 9 November 2022 (UTC)


I need a simplified tutorial in how to add the number reference and the cite the source. [[User:M. Chris Tucker|M. Chris Tucker]] ([[User talk:M. Chris Tucker|talk]]) 19:02, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:OGWFP|OGWFP]] Well, if you wanted to tell them I’m sure they wouldn’t mind, as Wikipedia can be edited by anyone. You may wish to tell them you edit, although not necessarily tell them the pages or your username? I personally have told people in real life I edit Wikipedia articles although I don’t tell people my username as I like to keep it separate. [[User:Blanchey|Blanchey]] ([[User talk:Blanchey|talk]]) 23:11, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
:@[[User:OGWFP|OGWFP]] And make sure that each person editing uses their own, individual account name. If any of you share a computer or other device, like a tablet or cell phone, everyone should log out of WP when they leave the computer (don't stay signed in and let anyone else edit using your usernane). Good luck! [[User:David10244|David10244]] ([[User talk:David10244|talk]]) 06:56, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
::@[[User:OGWFP|OGWFP]] Hi. Your family should be aware of Wikipedia [[Wikipedia:Content disclaimer|content disclaimer]]. One of the downsides of Wikipedia is that [[Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not censored|Wikipedia is not censored]]. Sorry. You can also learn how to hide an image (see [[Help:Options to hide an image]]). If you see something offensive or disturbing, you can even avoid visiting the article. When you visit an article, there is no warning template nor a rating system. There is a warning template on the talk page of the article. [[User:Cwater1|Cwater1]] ([[User talk:Cwater1|talk]]) 05:25, 12 November 2022 (UTC)


:Hello {{user|M. Chris Tucker}}, might I suggest ''[[Help:Referencing for beginners|Referencing For Beginners]]''. -- [[User:DandelionAndBurdock|D'n'B]]-''[[User_talk:DandelionAndBurdock|📞]]'' -- 19:06, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
== How should I amend to frame a more neutral perspective? ==
:Hi @[[User:M. Chris Tucker|M. Chris Tucker]] and welcome to Wikipedia! The simplest way to add references is, directly after the sentence or paragraph that your source supports, add <nowiki><ref></nowiki>, followed by the text of your reference, followed by <nowiki></ref></nowiki>. The software will sort out the numbering for you. Others here should be able to give you more detailed advice, and the guide that D'n'B linked above looks like a great place to learn more. Thanks for your additions to [[:Edward Dickson (Canadian politician)]]! Best, [[User:Wham2001|Wham2001]] ([[User talk:Wham2001|talk]]) 19:07, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:: [[Special:Contributions/2607:FEA8:7D00:95A0:FDD3:6EB9:68D5:D6D7|2607:FEA8:7D00:95A0:FDD3:6EB9:68D5:D6D7]] ([[User talk:2607:FEA8:7D00:95A0:FDD3:6EB9:68D5:D6D7|talk]]) 00:38, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Thanks very much! I will follow up on your suggestion and wish you a Happy New Year. [[User:M. Chris Tucker|M. Chris Tucker]] ([[User talk:M. Chris Tucker|talk]]) 00:42, 31 December 2024 (UTC)


== How do I add a "Main Article" to Wikipedia ==
Courtesy link: [[Draft:UParcel]]


I updated our "Cornhusker Council" section under Boy Scouts of America, Nebraska Scouting. and would like to create a main article for our council. how do I do that?


[[User:Cornhusker324|Cornhusker324]] ([[User talk:Cornhusker324|talk]]) 21:15, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
Hi there, I am trying to publish a short wiki for my client's logistics company and it was not successful. I had a premonition that it would not be approved but could someone advise on how it can be written more neutrally and if the references that are used (limited news coverage).
:{{u|Cornhusker324}} Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. First, please see [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]], as that needs to be formally disclosed. For a standalone article about your specific council, you would need to show with significant coverage in independent [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] that your council meets [[WP:ORG|the special Wikipedia definition of a notable organization]]. That coverage can't just be the reporting of its routine activities, but in depth coverage as to what makes your council important/significant/influential. Be aware that writing a new article is the most difficult task to attempt on Wikipedia, and it's even harder with a conflict of interest. Also be aware that an article is [[WP:PROUD|not necessarily desirable]]. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 21:23, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::Hello @[[User:Cornhusker324|Cornhusker324]]. I have just reverted your edits in accordance with our conflict of interest policy. Please request specific edits on the article's respective [[help:Talk pages|talk page]]. Thanks. [[User:Tarlby|<span style="color:cyan;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">''Tarl''</span><span style="color:orange;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">''by''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Tarlby|''t'']]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tarlby|''c'']])</sup> 21:25, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:::And I'm not sure why the council itself would merit a standalone article from the article about scouting in Nebraska. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 21:31, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Many other Councils already have a standalone article. I would think this would be supported for consistency sake. [[User:Cornhusker324|Cornhusker324]] ([[User talk:Cornhusker324|talk]]) 21:35, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Cornhusker324|Cornhusker324]], please see [[WP:42]]. Some council have articles. Others don't, and maybe they shouldn't. It all depends on the [[wp:rs|reliable sources]] that we need to use so that an article can be made. An article on Cornhusker Council won't be made if there are no such sources. [[User:Tarlby|<span style="color:cyan;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">''Tarl''</span><span style="color:orange;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">''by''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Tarlby|''t'']]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tarlby|''c'']])</sup> 21:40, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::Noted [[User:Cornhusker324|Cornhusker324]] ([[User talk:Cornhusker324|talk]]) 21:43, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:::I have changed my user name in hopes of complying with your COI policy. The stand-alone article seems too difficult at this point. Perhaps in the future.
:::As such, I would simply like to update our section, "Cornhusker Council," in "Scouting in Nebraska." and will attempt that in the 'talk page,' as you suggested. [[User:Cornhusker324|Cornhusker324]] ([[User talk:Cornhusker324|talk]]) 21:42, 30 December 2024 (UTC)


Your name change does not show up yet, and regardless of a name change, you still have a COI. I see that you are proposing changes on the Talk page of the article, but much of what you wrote is not referenced. See [[Help:Referencing for beginners]] to understand how to insert inline refs. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 05:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)


:I provided four references which is more than what is currently listed. Those currently used are not authoritative and factually incorrect. [[Special:Contributions/209.92.187.50|209.92.187.50]] ([[User talk:209.92.187.50|talk]]) 15:34, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Thanks [[User:CurbandPaul|CurbandPaul]] ([[User talk:CurbandPaul|talk]]) 01:36, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
::How exactly did you change your username? It should be done via either [[Special:GlobalRenameRequest]] or [[WP:CHUS]]. You should continue to use your original username until it is changed, at which time you can begin using the new name. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 15:48, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Never mind, I see it is changed now. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 15:49, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::That is not how references are created. Also, you now appear to be editing as an IP address, i.e., not logged into an account versus a name-change. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 16:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::I've used two different means to source the information I provided, both of which were recommended by this site and/or a moderator. [[User:CCJLJ|CCJLJ]] ([[User talk:CCJLJ|talk]]) 17:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Again, see Help:Referencing for beginners to understand how to insert inline refs. What you posted on the Talk page of the article (below) are not properly formatted references. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 21:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
References supporting change:
*Salistean, John, "A History of the Cornhusker Council 1940-1975," Houchen Bindery LTD of Utica, Nebraska, 1st ed., 2011.
*Golden Sun Lodge Website, www.goldensunlodge.org
*Cornhusker Council Website, www.cornhuskercouncil.org
*Brown, Elinor L., "History of Lancaster County, Then and Now," ASIN‎ B0006CJTC2, Jan 1971.


== Notability and Independence. ==
:It starts by saying that this is "an e-commerce logistics company in Singapore that provides same day delivery services by connecting users via an online delivery platform". This isn't how you'd describe it to a friend; because if you did, they might wonder what drugs you were on but anyway their eyes would glaze over and they'd start to doze off. The problem is, it's [[On Bullshit|bullshit]], phrased not to ''inform'', but merely to ''impress''. It might impress your client but it's so soporific that it won't impress any other readers, certainly not any draft reviewers. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 01:45, 10 November 2022 (UTC)


My grandmother, Ethel Margaret Streit Harrison, was the first woman elected as Clerk of the Montana Supreme Court, one of the founders of the Montana Association of Female Executives and one of the original board members of the Holter Museum of Art. There are printed sources that talk about her achievements but according to wikipedia the only thing notable about her was that she was married to [[John C. Harrison (judge)]]. I understand that, as a relative, there is a potential conflict here, but I think it is important her contributions are documented on something other than microfiche. Any thoughts? / Thank you :) [[User:Mehap dwhx|Mehap dwhx]] ([[User talk:Mehap dwhx|talk]]) 22:40, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:<small>(PS I think you mean "a company that makes same-day deliveries within Singapore". The other stuff? I think "online delivery platform" means "website"; but I expect that most delivery companies, if not all, in the first and second world allow customers to do on the web a lot of what still may quaintly be called "paperwork", and so there's no obvious need to mention the website/"platform". -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 06:43, 10 November 2022 (UTC))</small>
:[[User:Mehap dwhx|Mehap dwhx]], none of those three roles that you describe automatically confers [[WP:N|Wikipedia-defined "notability"]] on a person. And the sum of the three doesn't either. But it's possible that she's "notable" all the same. Regardless of your conflict of interest, you're free to create [[Draft:Ethel Margaret Streit Harrison]]. If this demonstrates her notability and follows Wikipedia's other policies, it will be promoted to an article (possibly with a slightly different title), whereupon you shouldn't continue to edit it but would be free to make suggestions and requests on its talk page. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 23:12, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::{{u|CurbandPaul}}, your phrase {{tpq|last mile fulfilment}} is jargon and a marketing buzz word formulation that conveys no useful information to the reader. That's not encyclopedia writing; that's ad man writing. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 07:57, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
:Hello, Curband Paul, and welcome to the Teahouse. Please remember that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in [[WP:reliable sources|reliable sources]].
:That is where you should start - with what people unconnected with the company actually say about it. Ignore ''everything'' the company says about itself, unless somebody independent has said it too. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 10:28, 10 November 2022 (UTC)


:To expand an aspect of Hoary's excellent advice above: in Wikipedia, '[[WP:Notability|Notability]]' boils down to "is there ''enough'' substantial material, published [[Wikipedia:Independent sources|independently]] of the subject, in multiple [[WP:Reliable sources|Reliable sources]], to form the basis of an article about the subject. It doesn't necessarily require that the subject is 'famous', or in one of many possible senses 'important'.
== Cleaning up or archiving on talk pages ==
:Also, the fact that your grandmother's achievements are ''not yet'' in Wikipedia doesn't mean Wikipedia asserts they ''aren't'', or she as a whole ''isn't'', notable; merely that no volunteer editor has yet gathered the necessary sources and added the information (with [[WP:citations|citations]]), whether in her husband's article or in a draft for her own. I encourage you to try. Good luck!
:While we're here, I notice that [[John C. Harrison (judge)|John C. Harrison's]] article is on shaky ground, because it's entirely cited to a single (though reliable) source: we usually prefer a minimum of three, so if you could flesh out ''that'' article with further referenced material, it would be a good thing. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} [[Special:Contributions/94.1.223.204|94.1.223.204]] ([[User talk:94.1.223.204|talk]]) 03:56, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Add '''Ethel Margaret Streit Harrison''' to: [[John_C._Harrison_(judge)#Personal_life]]
::[[Special:Contributions/69.181.17.113|69.181.17.113]] ([[User talk:69.181.17.113|talk]]) 04:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::can you find at least 4 [[WP:RS]] sources ? [[Special:Contributions/69.181.17.113|69.181.17.113]] ([[User talk:69.181.17.113|talk]]) 04:47, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::She's already mentioned in that section as Ethel Harrison, cited to the article's (only) reference. Even to add her middle names would require a further citation to a ''published reliable source'' that mentions them (the existing one does not: I've downloaded and searched it). {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} [[Special:Contributions/94.1.223.204|94.1.223.204]] ([[User talk:94.1.223.204|talk]]) 06:56, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Being married to JCH can be mentioned in her Personal life section, but does not contribute to establishing her notability. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 05:34, 31 December 2024 (UTC)


== Restoring previously unmerged articles ==
Hello, is it okay to simply delete talk page sections which were written 10 years ago, or should I archive them? If it is to archive, how do I do this? [[User:Asperthrow|Asperthrow]] ([[User talk:Asperthrow|talk]]) 06:14, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
:Your earliest contributions were made just one week ago, so you can't be talking about your own user talk page. Elsewhere, no, you may not delete talk page sections. Why not just leave them be? It's normally better that a person gets plenty of experience improving Wikipedia articles before attempting to improve Wikipedia's workings -- but if there's some particular talk page that is unusually problematic, do please point to it. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 06:35, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
:@[[User:Asperthrow|Asperthrow]], see [[Help:Archiving (plain and simple)]]. The automatic archiving will still leave a few threads unarchived, no matter the age, but if there's a long list of old threads it's reasonable to archive article talkpages. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 07:09, 10 November 2022 (UTC)


I would like to create a new article but it [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Cyprus%E2%80%93Jordan%20relations&redirect=no once existed back in 2009] and got merged without consensus. Is it okay if I restore the article but with more and better sources from [[User:Underdwarf58/sandbox|my sandbox]] later on? Because one user tried to restore a merged article and it got immediately undone because a consensus existed to merge it. I'm not saying that I'll do it right now as it's still unfinished but I need to ask because if I can't then I'll just cancel. [[User:Underdwarf58|Underdwarf58]] ([[User talk:Underdwarf58|talk]]) 00:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
== Writing the information from research paper ==


:There's very little about the original subject 'Cyprus–Jordan relations' in [[Foreign relations of Cyprus]] that it was merged into, so ''I'' think that if ''you'' think you have enough [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|Reliably sourced]] material (bearing in mind there's also been another 15 years of history) you should go ahead and create a new [[Wikipedia:Drafts|Draft]] on the subject, via the normal [[Wikipedia:Articles for creation]] process, which can be submitted for assessment. Good luck! {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} [[Special:Contributions/94.1.223.204|94.1.223.204]] ([[User talk:94.1.223.204|talk]]) 04:11, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
I just want to know that can we get information from the research paper and write it in our words while using the paper as citation source ? Or can we base our whole article on a single research paper ? If yes , how ? [[User:LFJunaidAhmed|LFJunaidAhmed]] ([[User talk:LFJunaidAhmed|talk]]) 12:29, 10 November 2022 (UTC)


== template ==
:@[[User:LFJunaidAhmed|LFJunaidAhmed]] If you look at almost any article on a scientific topic on Wikipedia, you'll see that it is indeed often based on research papers published in peer-reviewed journals but usually we prefer [[WP:Secondary]] sources, so that means review papers, not a single piece of [[WP:Primary]] research. In addition, for articles making any sort of medical claim, we need even more reliable sources, as discussed at [[WP:MEDRS]]. Whatever the source, anything we write in Wikipedia has to use our own wording (unless directly quoting) to avoid issues of [[WP:COPYVIO|copyright infringement]] or [[WP:PLAGIARISM|plagiarism]]. It would be very unusual for a single research paper on a new topic to reach our [[WP:GNG|guideline for notability]] but you may find cases where such poor sourcing has slipped through in the past. When you do try to create a new article, I suggest you use the [[WP:AFC]] process so as to get advice on avoiding the main pitfalls. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 12:54, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
::Alright, well explained. Thankyou [[User:LFJunaidAhmed|LFJunaidAhmed]] ([[User talk:LFJunaidAhmed|talk]]) 04:14, 11 November 2022 (UTC)


Hello, I'm need of some assistance with creating a Wikipedia page about a music artist. Can anyone advise which template to use? [[User:RATHOMP|RATHOMP]] ([[User talk:RATHOMP|talk]]) 02:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
== How to list notable articles / sources ==


:look at other Wikipedia pages about music artists ... [[Special:Contributions/69.181.17.113|69.181.17.113]] ([[User talk:69.181.17.113|talk]]) 04:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Hello, I am writing a business page and I work for the business. Looking for guidance on how to improve the page. I have notable sources and not sure how best to list them. Also open to any other recommendations. Thank you, please be kind :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:JJ_Foodservice_Ltd [[User:Rowland 1981|Rowland 1981]] ([[User talk:Rowland 1981|talk]]) 15:59, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
::Hello, IP user, and welcome to the Teahouse. From your question, I suspect that you are focussing on the layout of your proposed article (I'm guessing that that's what you mean by a "template" - we use the word a bit differently here). But while the layout of an article is important, it is MUCH less important than the quality of the sources used. Until you have found adequate sources to establish that the artist meets Wikipedia's criteria for [[WP:notability|}], it's pointless spending any time thinking about the content or the layout. To use a house-building analogy, you may have an idea for what you want your house to look like, and even a plan; but until you've surveyed the site to make sure it's fit to build on, and checked that your plans meet local building regulations, it would be a waste of effort to start building.
:{{u|Rowland 1981}}, please read [[WP:N]] and learn how the term "notable" is used here in Wikipedia. Then look for some reliable ''independent'' published sources that discuss JJ Foodservice. If you find at least three, rewrite your draft from scratch, basing it on what those sources say and citing them as you go. [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] ([[User talk:Maproom|talk]]) 16:35, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
::More generally, {{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}} [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 10:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:Hello, Rowland 1981, and welcome to the Teahouse. If you work for the business, you have not just a [[WP:conflict of interest|conflict of interest]] (thank you for declaring that on your user page) but you count as a [[WP:paid editor|paid editor]] (even if you're not specifically paid to work on the Wikipedia article), and should upgrade the declaration on your user page, and add one to [[Draft talk:JJ Foodservice Ltd]]
:Is there a specific place you're currently working on the article at? I can't seem to find it on your userpage as a subpage. For advice, I'd recommend looking at other music artist articles (specifically various quality articles from [[The Beatles]] [FA] to [[Sepultura]] [C-class]) for general outlines on how to write it. For infoboxes, use <nowiki>{{infobox musical artist}}</nowiki> and fill out the template using it's template page at [[Template:Infobox musical artist]]. For general advice on writing, see Wikipedia's content policies and guidelines, I'd recommend WP:Nutshell as a starting point.
:I suggest you drop the phrase "business page" from your mind, and always think of it as "an encyclopaedia article about the business", to remind you that it does not (and will not) belong to the business, will not be controlled by the business (you will be strongly discouraged from editing it directly), will not be for the benefit of the business except incidentally, and may not contain what the business would like it to contain. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 17:15, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
:Thanks, [[User: Sparkle &#38; Fade|''Sparkle and Fade'']] <sup>[[User_talk:Sparkle &#38; Fade|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Sparkle &#38; Fade|edits]]</sub> 08:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Hi Colin, thank you for your feedback. I would like to write more wiki articles so I'm keen to learn how to disassociate myself from the subject and write in a more neutral and encyclopaedic way. I will take everyone's advice, which has been very helpful, and continue to learn. I think it's a good idea to rewrite from scratch based on notable sources and will also update my declaration on the user page and add one to Draft talk, as you have suggested. [[User:Rowland 1981|Rowland 1981]] ([[User talk:Rowland 1981|talk]]) 18:38, 10 November 2022 (UTC)


== how can I rigth a article in wikipedia ==
== Pages created by Sockpuppet ==


how can I rigth [[User:Daniel Muanga|Daniel Muanga]] ([[User talk:Daniel Muanga|talk]]) 03:49, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Not sure if this is the right place to ask this. If not, please point me in the right direction.
I came across [[ISRAEL21c]] - not much on the page. I dug around and it was created by someone who was banned for sockpuppetry. He actually created over 600 pages. Whats the correct process for dealing with these? I don't mind reviewing some of them but just want to know the protocols. Thank you. [[User:MaskedSinger|MaskedSinger]] ([[User talk:MaskedSinger|talk]]) 17:51, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
: {{re|MaskedSinger}} If the articles were created after the block, then they may qualify for [[WP:G5]] speedy delete. [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 19:38, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
::G5 would not qualify for them in this case since they were created before he was blocked for socking (he's not a sock but the sockmaster), and the article you linked has had multiple contributions by other users so it wouldn't qualify anyways. ― [[User:Blaze Wolf|<b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze&nbsp;Wolf</b>]][[User talk:Blaze Wolf|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze&nbsp;Wolf#6545</sub> 19:46, 10 November 2022 (UTC)


:[[Wikipedia:Article wizard]]
== Uploading copyright image with owner's permission ==
:[[Special:Contributions/69.181.17.113|69.181.17.113]] ([[User talk:69.181.17.113|talk]]) 04:39, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::New editors are strongly advised to first gain skills by doing time improving existing articles. References required. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 05:39, 31 December 2024 (UTC)


== Find a Grave = WP:RS ? ==
I have received permission from a copyright owner to upload an image to Wikipedia. Specifically regarding this [https://www.travelwithkevinandruth.com/2016/04/moving-north-towards-los-angeles.html source's] image of [[Big Stan (drill rig)]]. How would I go about uploading the correspondence that gave permission and uploading the image itself? Would it be under a standard fair use justification or is there a specific template on the commons? <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">[[User:Etriusus|'''''Etrius''''']] ([[User talk:Etriusus| Us]])</span> 18:24, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
:If the copyright holder has agreed to release it ''to everyone'' under a [[c:COM:L|licence that commons will accept]], see [[c:COM:VRT#If you are NOT the copyright holder]]. ■&nbsp;∃&nbsp;[[User:Maddy from Celeste|<b style="color:#C64600">Madeline</b>]]&nbsp;⇔&nbsp;∃&nbsp;[[User talk:Maddy from Celeste|<b style="color:#613583">Part&nbsp;of&nbsp;me</b>]]&nbsp;''';''' 18:28, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
:{{ping|Etriusus}} It seems unlikely that any new image of [[:Big Stan (drill rig)]] would be allowed under [[:WP:NFCC|Wikipedia's non-free content use policy]] per [[:WP:FREER]] because (1) a freely licensed photo of the rig already seems to exist as [[:File:Mobile drill rig in Wyoming, 2006.jpg]] and (2) a new photo of the rig could be taken by someone and released under an acceptable free license. Non-free photos of structures or equipment such as this are generally not allowed when the structure is still standing or the equipment is still being used in publicly accessible areas and capable of being photographed. So, this means you will either (1) need to take a photo of the Big Stan yourself and upload it under an acceptable free license or (2) find someone who has already taken such a photo or agrees to take such a photo and get them to give their [[:c:COM:CONSENT|consent]] for their photo to be uploaded under such a license. If you want to use a photo from the "Kevin and Ruth" website and whomever runs the website actually took the photo themselves, you will need to follow the instructions in the "COM:VRT" page that Madeline linked to above. If you're [[:WP:PERMISSION|going to try and get Kevin and Ruth's consent]], you should ask them to take a look at [[:c:COM:LRV|this]] and [[:c:COM:ENFORCE|this]] so that they understand what giving their consent means. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 21:58, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
::@[[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] I think you misunderstand my question. The image on [[Big Stan (drill rig)]] is not that of the Big Stan drill rig, but rather a relatively similar model, per the caption. I have spoken with Kevin directly and he has agreed to release the image to the commons, in fact he sent me a few images. My question was just what template would be appropriate on commons since these are not my images, even though most of them have never been released online. I see that I'll need to forward the our correspondence per COM:VRT, which answers my question. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">[[User:Etriusus|'''''Etrius''''']] ([[User talk:Etriusus| Us]])</span> 23:22, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Etriusus}} I think you misunderstood my reply; I stated {{tq|a freely licensed photo of the rig already seems to exist as ... }}. This was to take into account that the photo in question isn't one of "Big Stan", but perhaps I should've made that more clear. What you need to have Kevin undestand is that he isn't just releasing his photos to Commons or Wikipedia; rather, he's just using Commons to essentially make versions of them "freely" available forever for anyone in the world to download and reuse at anytime in pretty much any way they please (including commercial and derivative use) without needing to directly contact Kevin each time they want to do so. He's not transferring his copyright ownership to anyone, he's just making it much easier for others to reuse his work under some not really very restrictive conditions.{{pb}}If you explain all of this to Kevin and he's OK with that, then ideally he should uploaded the files himself to Commons using [[:c:Commons:Wikimedia VRT release generator]] with their original [[:c:COM:EXIF]] data whenever possible. He just needs to follow the guidance at each step of the upload process so that his copyright ownership can be verified. If, on the other hand, he doesn't want to do that and would rather have you upload the file for him instead, then you're going to need to use [[:c:COM:UPLOAD]] to upload the image. Since the photo's aren't your [[:c:COM:Own work]], you're going to then need to have Kevin send a [[:c:COM:CONSENT]] email to [[:c:COM:VRT]] for verification purposes.{{pb}}Since Kevin is going to need to include the name of the file you've uploaded as well as the type of [[:c:COM:CT|copyright license]] he wants to use for the file in his CONSENT email, you probably should discuss these things with him before uploading anything and ask him to wait until the file's been uploaded before sending any emails. In addtion, you should try and use the license he decides upon when you're prompted to pick a license when you upload the file. The email Kevin sends in will be assessed and verified by a VRT member, and the VRT member will take care of everything else if the email is OK. If there's a problem with the email, the VRT member will contact Kevin via email and explain what else needs to be done. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 01:32, 11 November 2022 (UTC)


Is [[Find a Grave]] = [[WP:RS]] ?
== why was my subject declined ==


I just want to know why my subject was declined? [[User:Fnaffan999214|Fnaffan999214]] ([[User talk:Fnaffan999214|talk]]) 19:09, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
[[Special:Contributions/69.181.17.113|69.181.17.113]] ([[User talk:69.181.17.113|talk]]) 04:37, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:{{welcometea}} Please consult [[Wikipedia:FINDAGRAVE]]. —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;) 05:03, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:The answer is "no" because Find a Grave consists of user generated content, and is specifically mentioned in the [[WP:USERGENERATED]] section of the reliable sources guideline as a source that should not be used as a reference on Wikipedia. That does not mean that Find a Grave is of no value to Wikipedia editors. You may be able to find nuggets in those listings that will inform your searches about various people. Some but not all Find a Grave listings include references to reliable sources, and those sources may be useful as Wikipedia references. One thing that Find a Grave can teach editors is that many people down through the years share the same name, and we need to be very careful to avoid including biographical details about one Andrew Wilson in an article about another Andrew Wilson. That's just one of countless examples. I have been working on [[Andrew Stephen Wilson]] today, so that's why I chose that example.. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 06:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC)


== Hello -- I would like to start helping, but I'm having trouble finding what to do! ==
:@[[User:Fnaffan999214|Fnaffan999214]]: The message on [[User talk:Fnaffan999214#Your submission at Articles for creation: sandbox (November 10)|your talk page]] states "If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the '''[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk|Articles for creation help desk]]'''. If you have any ''other'' questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the '''[[Wikipedia:Teahouse|Teahouse]]'''..." [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 19:24, 10 November 2022 (UTC)


I see lots of support for ultra basics, but I know what the concept is, and how to edit, and how to make italics and hyperlinks, and that I should use a neutral voice, etc. I am trying to find some guidance on WHAT to contribute. I found the Typo Team (or at least, [[Wikipedia:Typo Team/moss/D|this typo team]]), but I haven't found guidance on interacting with it. (Do I delete entries if I resolve them? Yesterday I found many entries to check, but today none of the articles seem to HAVE the potential typo that was listed, or even a fixed version). I have found [[mediawikiwiki:Growth/FAQ#|this Growth page]], but can't get the features working. For example, it says to enable the Help panel in the Editing tab, but I don't see such a thing in the Editing tab. I also can't find "Display newcomer homepage" in my user preferences. Similar with Suggested Edits -- how can I "use <code>Special:NewcomerTasksInfo</code>"? Etc., etc. I must be missing some key piece of advice -- where can I figure out how to get things rolling? [[User:Skmccormick|SKM]] ([[User talk:Skmccormick|talk]]) 05:08, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
== I need help with some really advanced esoteric Wiki syntax ==


:Hello @[[User:Skmccormick|Skmccormick]]. [[WP:volunteer|As a volunteer project]], you're free to do whatever you wanna do best. Want to copyedit a bunch of articles and bring our grammar up to shape? Join the [[WP:goce|Guild of Copy Editors]] and go wild. Wanna fight vandalism? Go patrol [[Special:RecentChanges]] and stop those dang vandals! Wanna go help out that typo team? Go right ahead. It's your choice. [[User:Tarlby|<span style="color:cyan;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">''Tarl''</span><span style="color:orange;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">''by''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Tarlby|''t'']]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tarlby|''c'']])</sup> 05:26, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
The article [[United States at the 2022 Winter Olympics]] has an endnote ({{tl|efn}}) encoded in the lead regarding the inability of one of the US flagbearers to appear at the opening ceremony. The end-note appears embedded within the "Ice hockey:Women's tournament" section, just below the "Group play" table. Tracking this down, I find that the problem is that the Group Play table has been transcluded from the [[Ice hockey at the 2022 Winter Olympics – Women's tournament]] article, and the table there is created by {{tl|invoke}}'ing a module called "Sports table". The Sports table module has parameters to generate end notes for the table, but apparently this syntax is also capturing the end note that was written in the article lead, creating an end note for the table having nothing to do with the table. I am adept enough at Wiki-syntax to diagnose the problem, but nowhere near adept enough to correct it. Can someone here direct me to a resource who might be able to correct this? Thanks!!! [[User:WikiDan61|<span style="color: green;">WikiDan61</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:WikiDan61|ChatMe!]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/WikiDan61|ReadMe!!]]</sub> 21:56, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
::@[[User:Skmccormick|Skmccormick]]
:I've changed the one in the lead to use uppercase, which lets us avoid the crash. I don't know if there would be a way to do this without changing the footnote type. ■&nbsp;∃&nbsp;[[User:Maddy from Celeste|<b style="color:#C64600">Madeline</b>]]&nbsp;⇔&nbsp;∃&nbsp;[[User talk:Maddy from Celeste|<b style="color:#613583">Part&nbsp;of&nbsp;me</b>]]&nbsp;''';''' 22:19, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
::*You should find display user homepage at the bottom of [[Special:Preferences]], "User profile" tab.
:: {{reply|Maddy from Celeste}} Thanks for the quick fix! [[User:WikiDan61|<span style="color: green;">WikiDan61</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:WikiDan61|ChatMe!]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/WikiDan61|ReadMe!!]]</sub> 22:30, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
::*If I wanted to interact with the typo team, my first place to try would be [[Wikipedia talk:Typo Team]].
::*Have you found [[WP:TASKS]] and [[WP:REQUEST]]? [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 07:28, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Thank you! These links are helpful. I found "display user homepage" under User Profile. So maybe a silly question, but: how do I find this user homepage? I don't really go to Wikipedia generically, I usually jump straight to an article. Tasks and Requests seem like what I'm looking for. [[User:Skmccormick|SKM]] ([[User talk:Skmccormick|talk]]) 01:47, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::The link should be right at the top of every page when you're logged in, in the same place/menu as the link to your userpage. -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 02:05, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Skmccormick|Skmccormick]], do you have any particular topics that you'd like to edit about? One way to find a lot of articles that need help is to go through our various maintenance backlogs (Gråbergs Gråa Sång has already linked you to [[WP:TASKS]]). Some people are content to plug away at a particular backlog chronologically, but if you prefer to edit on things you're generally interested in, it's helpful to filter these by wikiproject. Alternatively, do you have any particular skills or outside knowledge that might be helpful here? There's always demand for multilingual editors, the copyright folks are always backlogged, etc. -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 10:16, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you. I would prefer to get into the groove with smaller contributions before I start throwing any weight around. Sadly, I cannot offer multilingual help; I am American. I'm mostly having trouble navigating the various pages and internal tools like TASKS or RecentChanges (anything labeled "Special:" is still new to me). [[User:Skmccormick|SKM]] ([[User talk:Skmccormick|talk]]) 01:50, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::I'm a fan of [[:Category:Wikipedia introduction cleanup]] as a newbie task - not ''small'', exactly, but hey, no time like the present to learn to [[WP:BEBOLD]]. You don't (or shouldn't) need to do any research to fix these articles - most of them are here because they are tagged with "lead too short". Find one of those, read the article, then rewrite the lead so it summarizes it accurately. Then remove the tag. All this requires is good English literacy, and since the lead is what most people read and what is used in the google knowledge box etc, it's a high-impact change that requires very little wiki-knowledge. -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 02:16, 1 January 2025 (UTC)


== Different images for Light/Dark mode ==
== Renaming John Henry Peyton to John Howe Peyton ==
: {{courtesy link|John Henry Peyton}}
Before my wrist surgery (and although the very competent local genealogist was out sick that day), I started a new article about a long-dead Prince William County, Virginia delegate whom I thought was named John Henry Peyton, per a post-2000 published Peyton family genealogy at that library (which unfortunately did not give his birth and death dates). I expected to write a second article about his cousin (both sharing the same paternal grandfather) John Howe Peyton, who served in the Virginia Senate representing Augusta and Rockbridge counties significantly to the west a couple of decades later. However, when the genealogist got back, he pointed me to a family biography available on Project Gutenberg which demonstrated that John Howe Peyton actually held both legislative positions. So I revised the article briefly one-handed to include the correct refs and mention the confusion. For what it's worth, while that long-ago published family biography does not meet modern research standards (i.e. gets both dates of legislative service slightly wrong), the wikipedia article's title needs to be changed to meet the revised infobox and contents generally. I'm still trying to track down John Henry Peyton's vital statistics (his index entry in the recent Washington family genealogy incorrectly cites 2 pages or missing genealogical entries and the Virginia Historical Society library/archive has no index entry for him), but it's clear to me he doesn't otherwise meet wikipedia's notability standards. On the other hand, John Howe Peyton does meet those criteria, and I plan to work on the article when the genealogy library opens Saturday, even if still typing one-handed. Thanks for your help. And sorry for the confusion.[[User:Jweaver28|Jweaver28]] ([[User talk:Jweaver28|talk]]) 22:38, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
:[[User:Jweaver28|Jweaver28]], I've moved "John Henry Peyton" to [[John Howe Peyton]] -- a minor chore that I think could have been accomplished with just one hand. I do note that the article is prefaced with an announcement that it's being reworked; I hope that it will be augmented, because as it is I can't see how Peyton is significant. (Yes, he held a series of posts, but what did he propose, how did he vote, what did he do, etc, while he held them?) -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 23:42, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
::My two cents is too much genealogy about family members. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 04:37, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
:::Agreed. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 12:34, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
::Thanks, Hoary. I thought I had changed the article's name when I made the postsurgical article changes, but clearly did not. Then yesterday evening's changes got stuck/lost in a display driver update, and today proved a bit crazier than I had expected. As for notability, all members of state legislatures meet wikipedia's guideline. I understand they're not as sexy as rock band members or professional athletes, but figuring out who they were is important for historians. For Virginia legislators of previous centuries the genealogy is important, for this was an oligarchy. Then there are the quirks, like "forgetting" those who freed slaves, opposed slavery or for decades after the Civil War (a/k/a War between the States) were Republicans.[[User:Jweaver28|Jweaver28]] ([[User talk:Jweaver28|talk]]) 01:18, 12 November 2022 (UTC)


Is there any way to tell Wikipedia to display different images / media for Light vs Dark mode users? Due to transparency, some SVG and PNG images have bad contrast when viewed in Dark mode. [[User:CrushedAsian255|CrushedAsian255]] ([[User talk:CrushedAsian255|talk]]) 06:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
== How do I change my sandbox title? ==


:@[[User:CrushedAsian255|CrushedAsian255]] This question is likely to have a better audience at [[WP:VPT]]. That board has a more technically oriented team than here. 🇺🇦&nbsp;[[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk&nbsp;to&nbsp;me</small></sup>]]&nbsp;🇺🇦 09:26, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
I had made my first article, but it says User:LogiAnimations/sandbox, but I would like it to just say LogiAnimations. How do I fix this? [[User:LogiAnimations|LogiAnimations]] ([[User talk:LogiAnimations|talk]]) 22:54, 10 November 2022 (UTC)


== Wider vs specific consensus ==
:Hi @[[User:LogiAnimations|LogiAnimations]], welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that what you've written in your sandbox has no potential to become a Wikipedia article and should not be moved to article space (which is what you're asking to be done here). Wikipedia articles are about [[WP:N|notable]] subjects, ones that have received a lot of attention from news organizations, scholars and the like. This small YouTube channel is not going to qualify. Also, since you picked a username which is the same as the channel name, I'm afraid you've also broken our username policy. I highly recommend either applying for a change of username at [[WP:RENAME]] or simply abandoning this account and creating a new one. [[Special:Contributions/199.208.172.35|199.208.172.35]] ([[User talk:199.208.172.35|talk]]) 23:12, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
::Your account blocked until you go through a name change process. That said, [[User:LogiAnimations/sandbox]] has no potential to become an article. Once you have a new name, you can put Db-author inside double curly brackets {{ }} at the top and an Administrator will delete the draft. Going forward, see [[WP:YFA]] for the process of creating and then submitting a draft. Know, however, that there are recommendations to put in time improving existing articles before attempting to create an article. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 04:32, 11 November 2022 (UTC)


Can a case-specific consensus triumph a wider topic consensus already established? Not that consensus over wider topic is changed but maybe because that case is viewed from a different perspective. [[User:ExclusiveEditor|<span style="background:linear-gradient(to right,#FF7043,#FFCC80);color:#fff;padding:4px 8px;border-top-left-radius:6px;border-bottom-left-radius:6px;font-size:12px;font-weight:bold;box-shadow:0 2px 4px rgba(0,0,0,.2);text-transform:uppercase;">Exclusive</span><span style="background:linear-gradient(to right,#263238,#37474F);color:#fff;padding:4px 8px;border-top-right-radius:6px;border-bottom-right-radius:6px;font-size:12px;font-weight:bold;box-shadow:0 2px 4px rgba(0,0,0,.2);text-transform:uppercase;margin-left:-1px;">Editor</span>]] [[User talk:ExclusiveEditor|<sub style="font-size:11px;color:#757575;font-style:italic;letter-spacing:.5px;">🔔 Ping Me!</sub>]] 07:33, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
== Emojis in pages ==


:@[[User:ExclusiveEditor|ExclusiveEditor]] I doubt it. Were that to be the case we would not have consistency of operation. This question is likely to have a better audience at [[WP:VPP]]. That board has a more policy oriented team than here 🇺🇦&nbsp;[[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk&nbsp;to&nbsp;me</small></sup>]]&nbsp;🇺🇦 09:28, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Can we also add emojis in pages? [[Special:Contributions/2601:244:4080:3010:F084:CE83:2984:F146|2601:244:4080:3010:F084:CE83:2984:F146]] ([[User talk:2601:244:4080:3010:F084:CE83:2984:F146|talk]]) 22:55, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
:Hello, @[[User:ExclusiveEditor|ExclusiveEditor]], and welcome to the Teahouse. While I agree with FiddleFaddle's advice, I would also remark that general questions like yours are very frustrating for people who attempt to answer questions here. If you explain the specific issue you want guidance on, you are much more likely to get a useful answer (and also be less likely to be suspected of [[WP:wikilawyering|wikilawyering]]).
:I am aware of the possible irony in my answer, given your question. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 10:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks for replying! Being a half-host on Teahouse myself I get you. I was inspired to ask this question by the discussion happening [[Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates#(Posted_blurb)_RD/Blurb_Jimmy_Carter|here]]. The latter part of the discussion specifically focuses on if 'Nobel prize' should be added or not in Jimmy Carter's death blurb on Main page's ITN section. It was initially proposed by the nominator and many supported it (albeit not mentioning specifically the Nobel prize) and it got posted without the mention of the prize. However later there was some more scrambling, this time with more regard to the Nobel prize and so it currently updated to include the prize in the blurb. The opposers are generally arguing that it is editorializing and other things. I may not be very good in summarizing discussions, so I left it in the question. --{{User:ExclusiveEditor/Signature}} 10:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)


== How to upload a >100 MB file to Wikipedia? ==
:hi ip user! unless you're working on a article where it makes sense to have an emoji to display a graphical representation of these characters as an example like articles related to [[Unicode]] or [[Emoji]], '''not really'''. usually in other pages, these characters can be mentioned using text ({{tq|"the purple heart emoji"}} instead of just the character itself 💜 directly, which may not display in older computers).
:that being said, if you do decide to register, you can add emojis to your custom signature like mine. happy editing! &#128156; <span style="border:solid 1px; border-radius:7px;background:#226;border-color:#338">[[User:Melecie|<span style="color:#edf">&nbsp;'''m'''elecie&nbsp;</span>]]</span> [[User talk:Melecie|<span style="color=#edf">'''t'''alk</span>]] - 23:09, 10 November 2022 (UTC)


I've uploaded plenty of files to Commons before, but I've only uploaded a few (non-free) files to WP. I would like to upload a short film that will become public domain in the US at the start of 2025 (won't be PD in its country of origin for a few years, so no uploading it to commons), but the file is over 100 MB, the maximum file size listed on the [[Special:Upload|upload page]]. I don't want to compress it any more than it already is, so how to I get around this? I've seen several films large than 100 MB on WP already ([[:File:The Adventures of Prince Achmed (1926).webm|1]], [[:File:The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari (1920).webm|2]]), so it must be possible.
== DDHQ links for 2022 HoR election pages ==


Any help with this is greatly appreciated. Thanks. — [[User:Toast for Teddy|Toast for Teddy]] ([[User talk:Toast for Teddy|talk]]) 07:48, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Hey, I'm a relatively novice editor, so I'm not sure who I should contact about this - I noticed that the links to DDHQ on 2022 HoR race prediction tables all seem to be wrong, and link to the generic 'Decision desk' Wiki page. I manually fixed the ones for Alaska and Maine, but I'm not sure if there's an automatic/better way to fix this. Example - go [[2022 United States House of Representatives election in Wyoming#Predictions|here]], and the DDHQ link goes to [[Decision desk]] instead of [[Decision Desk HQ]].


:@[[User:Toast for Teddy|Toast for Teddy]] This question is likely to have a better audience at [[WP:VPT]]. That board has a more technically oriented team than here 🇺🇦&nbsp;[[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk&nbsp;to&nbsp;me</small></sup>]]&nbsp;🇺🇦 09:26, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Don't really have the time to go through all of the 48 other pages + any other places this might be an issue to fix, so even if there isn't an automated way to do it I figured I should still let someone know. [[User:PaKYr|PaKYr]] ([[User talk:PaKYr|talk]]) 04:13, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
::@[[User:Toast for Teddy|Toast for Teddy]] That first file you linked was uploaded with the aid of a userscript discussed at [[:Commons:User talk:Rillke/bigChunkedUpload.js]]. I don't pretend to understand the details, but you may ;-) [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 14:27, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:Even if you're uploading "locally", [[commons:Commons:Upload tools|Commons:Upload tools]] is likely helpful. All the projects use the same [[MediaWiki]] software, all that needs adjustment is the destination for the upload. --[[User:Slowking Man|Slowking Man]] ([[User talk:Slowking Man|talk]]) 20:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)


== Editing a sandbox, references number is doubling ==
:{{in progress}} doing this manually. perhaps a bot could do this, but 48 articles isn't a lot (and also I don't know which already-approved bot accepts requests like this) so I could probably do this myself. &#128156; <span style="border:solid 1px; border-radius:7px;background:#226;border-color:#338">[[User:Melecie|<span style="color:#edf">&nbsp;'''m'''elecie&nbsp;</span>]]</span> [[User talk:Melecie|<span style="color=#edf">'''t'''alk</span>]] - 04:47, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
::Thanks! [[User:PaKYr|PaKYr]] ([[User talk:PaKYr|talk]]) 04:51, 11 November 2022 (UTC)


Hi there! I was editing my [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:Andrea_Biographer/sandbox&action=submit#Gridspertise sandbox] and for some reasons all the different references I am adding are doubling the number of them and the previous ones are not disappeared. I was following your suggestions to add COI edit to my text, eliminating the internal sources and the bold words. Can you help me or it is just a matter of viewing and once I publish the sand box they will all disappear? [[User:Andrea Biographer|Andrea Biographer]] ([[User talk:Andrea Biographer|talk]]) 09:10, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
== Twinkle ==


:Hi @[[User:Andrea Biographer|Andrea Biographer]]: it seems that with [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:Andrea_Biographer/sandbox&diff=prev&oldid=1266218280 this edit] you've duplicated the contents by pasting an earlier edit into the page, thus embedding a copy of the entire page within the page (if that makes sense). You should undo your most recent edits up to and including that one. Or if you'd like me to do it, let me know. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 09:16, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
I'm trying to have the TW alongside More; It doesn't show on me! [[User:SAAeh|SAAeh]] ([[User talk:SAAeh|talk]]) 04:46, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
::Hi @[[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]], thanks for your prompt answer! I think you made sense, could you check and fix this for me? I don't want to commit any further mistakes in the editing process or in the COI different templates, thanks in advance! Andrea [[User:Andrea Biographer|Andrea Biographer]] ([[User talk:Andrea Biographer|talk]]) 09:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::User:Theroadislong has already sorted this out. Also, your draft is now located at [[Draft:Gridspertise]]. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 10:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)


== how to give feedback ==
:@[[User:SAAeh|saaeh]]: from [[wikipedia:twinkle/doc]]:
:{{talk quote block|
:Twinkle installation may fail completely for several reasons:
:* You must use a [[Wikipedia:Twinkle#Browser support|supported web browser]]. Twinkle does not work with [[Internet Explorer]] version 8 or older; hence, it will not work on Internet Explorer on Windows XP, and you may need to upgrade to Internet Explorer 9 if you use Windows Vista or Windows 7.
:* If you are using older versions of Opera, Safari, or Firefox, try enabling the JavaScript Standard Library [[Wikipedia:Gadget|gadget]] under [[Special:Preferences|your preferences]] → Gadgets → Library and compatibility gadgets.
:* After installation, you may have to clear your browser cache. Instructions on how to do this can be found at [[Wikipedia:Bypass your cache]].
:}}
:does this help? [[user:lettherebedarklight|lettherebedarklight]]〔[[user talk:lettherebedarklight|晚安]] [[special:contribs/lettherebedarklight|おやすみ]]〕[[template:ping|ping me when replying]] 08:25, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
::<nowiki>It helps me, Thank you! ~~~~</nowiki> [[User:SAAeh|SAAeh]] ([[User talk:SAAeh|talk]]) 15:11, 11 November 2022 (UTC)


i had a question on why an article was written and sent it to info@ wikipedia. they told me that I needed to engage in the "talk" feature and ask the editors, since wikipedia is only a platform. I did that and not only was the answer not given I was ridiculed, because I am not actually sure why. I am not interested in editing wikipedia, I am only interested in engaging with the editors, to understand inconsistencies. How exactly would I do that, if I should not be using the talk feature.
== How Many Articles should I require for creating Articles in Wikipedia ==
thanks [[User:Mommer264|Mommer264]] ([[User talk:Mommer264|talk]]) 12:34, 31 December 2024 (UTC)


:Hello. Discussion about an article usually takes place on its talk page. Discussion with an editor directly can occur on their user talk page.
I would like to know How Many Articles should I require for creating Articles in Wikipedia?&nbsp;[[User:Wikibd23|Wikibd23]] ([[User talk:Wikibd23|talk]]) 04:59, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
:Note that your only other edit was about the Israeli-Arab/Palestinian conflict, which is [[WP:CTOP|a topic area with special rules]] that I will notify you of on your user talk page. One of those is that you must be an experienced user in order to make edits to any type of page about it. Your account must be 30 days old with 500 edits. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 12:53, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Also answering your query: :You asked a question that is now at [[Talk:State of Palestine/Archive 21]]. Talk pages of articles are not for 'open' questions. Instead, the proper method is to propose a specific change of text, as in replace A with B, and include a reference to support your proposal. Given that [[State of Palestine]] is a very controversial article, editors who participate there - at both article and talk - can be short on tact. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 12:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:{{tpq|I am not interested in editing wikipedia}} If you're not interested in contributing to the project, then you probably ought to go elsewhere. [[WP:PURPOSE|The purpose of Wikipedia]] is to produce an encyclopedia; notably, [[WP:TP|talk pages]] are for constructively discussing the project and its content, not general [[Internet forums]] for discussion. There are many many discussion forums elsewhere on the Internet, and Wikipedia can even [[:Category:Internet forums|help direct you to some of them]]. If you do wish to contribute to the encyclopedia, take a look at [[WP:Welcome]]. Thank you and I hope you have a good day. --[[User:Slowking Man|Slowking Man]] ([[User talk:Slowking Man|talk]]) 21:03, 31 December 2024 (UTC)


== VisualEditor ==
:That's like asking "How many games of tennis should I play before I can enter a competition?" There is no particular number: it depends on your ability and willingness to learn. You have submitted several drafts, but not yet got very far with them. I recommend studying [[WP:YFA]] and [[WP:notability]] carefully. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 11:24, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
:[[User:Wikibd23|Wikibd23]], if your sources are of high quality for demonstrating notability, you only need two or three of them. However, your sources must support everything written in your article, so your sources may number more than that. There is no set minimum source count if the sources are not [[WP:RS|considered reliable by Wikipedia]].--[[User:Quisqualis|Quisqualis]] ([[User talk:Quisqualis|talk]]) 18:40, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
::Thank you so much for your helpfull Answer. [[User:Wikibd23|Wikibd23]] ([[User talk:Wikibd23|talk]]) 20:32, 11 November 2022 (UTC)


I've just changed my Preferences > Editing
== How could I test those articles from Reliable sources ==


Turned on "Enable the visual editor" <small>(which, I think, it's on by default in Wikipedia in Italian language)</small>
Hi ,


But i can not find out how to edit with VisualEditor.
Please I would like to know. How could I Test those articles from Reliable Sources ?


I've looked at [[Help:VisualEditor]] and it says ([[Help:VisualEditor#Opening VisualEditor]] to click on the "Edit" tab (in the picture I can see a "drop down" menu to choose the editor).
Thank you. [[User:Wikibd23|Wikibd23]] ([[User talk:Wikibd23|talk]]) 05:01, 11 November 2022 (UTC)


:@[[User:Wikibd23|Wikibd23]] Hello, and welcome to the teahouse. Please can you tell me what you mean by testing articles from reliable sources? [[User:Blanchey|Blanchey]] ([[User talk:Blanchey|talk]]) 08:46, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
But I've not this choice. My tab is named "Edit source". [[User:Centrodiurnomilano|Centrodiurnomilano]] ([[User talk:Centrodiurnomilano|talk]]) 14:47, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Wikibd23|Wikibd23]], Please read carefully about [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] and about [[WP:NACADEMIC|notability of academics]]. Those are important concepts to be aware of in writing a Wikipedia article. [[User:Quisqualis|Quisqualis]] ([[User talk:Quisqualis|talk]]) 18:32, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
:::Thank you so much. [[User:Wikibd23|Wikibd23]] ([[User talk:Wikibd23|talk]]) 20:31, 11 November 2022 (UTC)


:I've found out, reading [[Help:VisualEditor#First step: enabling VE]] (which seems a bit outdated, by the way).
== How can I add a taxonomy template to an automatic taxobox of my article? ==
:After I've changed my Preferences > Editing > "Enable the visual editor" = ON
:and the press "save" button at the bottom.
:Only then, a "drop down menu" show up in the same section: "Editing mode", which is setted by default "Remember the last editor". I've changed it to "Show both editor tabs".
:It's not easy to find out. [[User:Centrodiurnomilano|Centrodiurnomilano]] ([[User talk:Centrodiurnomilano|talk]]) 15:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::By the way, I've looked at the settings on Wikipedia in Italian language and "Enable the visual editor" it's enough there (there is no "Editing mode" option at all) [[User:Centrodiurnomilano|Centrodiurnomilano]] ([[User talk:Centrodiurnomilano|talk]]) 15:08, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:Italian Wikipedia and English Wikipedia run on the same system, MediaWiki, but are two different Wikipedias. So if this is a question about itwiki, then you should go to a help board on itwiki. If this a question about enwiki, you should be able to switch between the source editor and visual editor by pressing the pencil button next to the preview button in the source editor. <span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:#fff;border:2px dashed#69c73e">[[User:Cowboygilbert|<span style="color:#3f6b39">'''Cowboygilbert'''</span>]] - [[User talk:Cowboygilbert|<span style="color:#d12667"> (talk) ♥</span>]]</span> 16:07, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::But, @[[User:Centrodiurnomilano|Centrodiurnomilano]], do note that you can only use the VisualEditor is some namespaces but not all. You can in mainspace, userspace, draftspace but not in wikispace which is the space with the Wikipedia: prefix. <span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:#fff;border:2px dashed#69c73e">[[User:Cowboygilbert|<span style="color:#3f6b39">'''Cowboygilbert'''</span>]] - [[User talk:Cowboygilbert|<span style="color:#d12667"> (talk) ♥</span>]]</span> 16:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Thank you, @[[User:Cowboygilbert|Cowboygilbert]] . I've tried in main space and the in user space. [[User:Centrodiurnomilano|Centrodiurnomilano]] ([[User talk:Centrodiurnomilano|talk]]) 16:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Were you able to fix it using the instructions that I put, {{tq|you should be able to switch between the source editor and visual editor by pressing the pencil button next to the preview button in the source editor.}}? <span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:#fff;border:2px dashed#69c73e">[[User:Cowboygilbert|<span style="color:#3f6b39">'''Cowboygilbert'''</span>]] - [[User talk:Cowboygilbert|<span style="color:#d12667"> (talk) ♥</span>]]</span> 16:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)


== "No Such Number tone" / "crybaby tone" (type of intercept error) ==
In my draft article [[Draft:Chlidonophorinae|Chlidonophorinae]], I got a message saying `Missing taxonomy template`. I clicked on the `fix` link but I cannot edit it as I am a new user. Can anyone please create one for it and when can I get access to create a taxonomy template? Also, please submit my draft if it is good enough. [[User:PrathuCoder|PrathuCoder]] ([[User talk:PrathuCoder|talk]]) 05:32, 11 November 2022 (UTC)


Hello everyone. This is one of my first times writing a brand-new article, and I'm not sure if this is a notable enough topic for its own page or a subsection in the intercept message.
:@[[User:PrathuCoder|prathucoder]]: done, at [[Template:Taxonomy/Chlidonophorinae]]. you can create those templates when you account is 4 days old and you have made 10 edits. [[user:lettherebedarklight|lettherebedarklight]]〔[[user talk:lettherebedarklight|晚安]] [[special:contribs/lettherebedarklight|おやすみ]]〕[[template:ping|ping me when replying]] 08:36, 11 November 2022 (UTC)


This technically isn't a message, but before the intercept message was used, a different type of tone could also be returned instead of connecting to an operator. This is known under many different names, such as the "no such number tone" or even the "crybaby tone." This tone would be returned if a caller attempts to dial a number that can't possibly exist according to the numbering plan. The call would not be allowed to go through because some of these numbers could be reserved for private use. The tone itself is continuous, sweeping from 200-400Hz back to 200Hz again over the course of one second.
== Finding sources on an article ==


The issue is that it's almost exclusively used in North America, if not, completely exclusively. It was introduced by the Bell System in 1941, but I've also heard of it in use by the 3CX Asterisk system. However, my intent is to preserve information about this tone, as next to no information seems to exist about it. An excerpt from the Bell Labs Record describes it here. It also seems to be exclusive to crossbar systems.
I'm having trouble finding sources on [[Rawson Stovall]], the first syndicated game journalist in the U.S. For example, I found an article on him in ''The Wall Street Journal'' on the Wikipedia Library, but said article is so old that I cannot find any copies of it online. <span style="color:#7f4bad">'''— V<small>ORTEX</small>'''</span><sup><u><small>[[User:Vortex3427|3427]]</small></u></sup> <small>([[User talk:Vortex3427|Talk!]])</small> 10:10, 11 November 2022 (UTC)


[https://www.telephonecollectors.info/index.php/browse/document-repository/catalogs-manuals/bell-system-we/bell-labs-record/4432-41apr-blr-no-such-number-tone-for-dial-systems] Bell Labs record
:Sources don't need to be online. Just include the relevant parameters in the citation; usually easiest to fill in the appropriate parameters in the {{tl|cite news}} template. - [[User:David Biddulph|David Biddulph]] ([[User talk:David Biddulph|talk]]) 10:16, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
::I meant that I saw a record of the ''Wall Street Journal'' article on the Library, however, I couldn't access it from there - it was only a record of its existence. When I tried searching for it, I couldn't find any trace of it. <span style="color:#7f4bad">'''— V<small>ORTEX</small>'''</span><sup><u><small>[[User:Vortex3427|3427]]</small></u></sup> <small>([[User talk:Vortex3427|Talk!]])</small> 10:36, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Vortex3427|Vortex3427]] Have you tried asking at [[WP:RX]]? [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 12:14, 11 November 2022 (UTC)


[https://www.nature.com/articles/148193b0] Article about this record
== Notability Guideline ==
:{{courtesy link|Draft:Joële Walinga}}
Hi! I'm having trouble with a declined article submission, the reason given is: "Subject maybe notable but needs more WP:SIGCOV." But all of the citations I've included contain significant coverage (they are interviews and features on the subject, not "passing mentions") in independent and reliable sources. How can I resolve this? [[User:Ss prod|Ss prod]] ([[User talk:Ss prod|talk]]) 12:11, 11 November 2022 (UTC)


[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ipuruc9Ur_4] Sample of this sound
:Interviews with the subject of the article are of no use in establishing [[WP:notability|notability]]. We don't care what the subject says about themselves; instead we need to know what '''independent''' [[WP:reliable sources|reliable sources]] say about them. - [[User:David Biddulph|David Biddulph]] ([[User talk:David Biddulph|talk]]) 12:20, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
:@[[User:Ss prod|Ss prod]] Hello, I had a look for you, whilst it is good that the draft already has 8 citations, it still may not be significant enough, depending on the content. You should probably continue to find sources so that your draft passes the notability criteria, before submitting again. Thanks, [[User:Blanchey|Blanchey]] ([[User talk:Blanchey|talk]]) 12:21, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
::And like @[[User:David Biddulph|David Biddulph]] said, the content of those citations should be from independent, reliable sources, not necessarily interviews. [[User:Blanchey|Blanchey]] ([[User talk:Blanchey|talk]]) 12:22, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
::Thank you for your reply! Just because I'm a little unclear on the preferred content of the sources, I'd love if anyone would have a minute to look through and flag which ones aren't appropriate. There are many other articles I could replace them with, but was giving preference to the larger publications. [[User:Ss prod|Ss prod]] ([[User talk:Ss prod|talk]]) 12:26, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Ss prod|Ss prod]] [[WP:RSPSS|here is a list full of most popular publishers and which ones are okay to use.]] Also, interviews are generally avoided since that is usually the subject talking about themself. Whereas independent publishers can talk from a different perspective, and improve notability. [[User:Blanchey|Blanchey]] ([[User talk:Blanchey|talk]]) 12:31, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
::::Thank you for the link. And definitely understand the interview concern. In the case of this article, I only used interviews to give a source to a simple fact (ie, premiere location, etc) and in each case the fact was established by the writer of the article and not by the subject. Would the use of an article that contains an interview in that way also be discouraged? [[User:Ss prod|Ss prod]] ([[User talk:Ss prod|talk]]) 12:33, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
::::Also – sorry for the follow up – Variety and Deadline (which I cite) are in the green on this list. I'm noticing a lack of Canadian publications which many of my other resources are, CBC is the Canadian Broadcasting Company, and Canadian Art is the now defunct national art magazine (the Canadian version of Art in America). I'm assuming the list and its indications aren't comprehensive? [[User:Ss prod|Ss prod]] ([[User talk:Ss prod|talk]]) 12:38, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
:::::Canadian Broadcasting Corporation* [[User:Ss prod|Ss prod]] ([[User talk:Ss prod|talk]]) 12:38, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
:Here is a Wikipedia article for another Canadian filmmaker that has been accepted, with resources which are largely passing mentions and interviews. Can someone please take a look and clarify the difference to me? It seems to me that the resources on my article contain many more reliable sources, full features, and green-lit publications, in addition to the fact that my article does not use interviews to establish the views of the subject of the interview, but rather the facts noted by the interviewer. [[User:Ss prod|Ss prod]] ([[User talk:Ss prod|talk]]) 12:51, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
::----> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Shim [[User:Ss prod|Ss prod]] ([[User talk:Ss prod|talk]]) 12:51, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
:::::{{U|Ss prod}} {{tq|...the resources on my article...}} - you have established a new user registration and immediately tried to create an article. Are you connected to the subject?--[[User:Rocknrollmancer|Rocknrollmancer]] ([[User talk:Rocknrollmancer|talk]]) 12:56, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
::::::Yes, I am a producer at her company. Is this allowed? [[User:Ss prod|Ss prod]] ([[User talk:Ss prod|talk]]) 12:58, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
:::::::In which case you need to read about [[WP:conflict of interest|conflict of interest]], and about [[WP:paid editing|paid editing]]. - [[User:David Biddulph|David Biddulph]] ([[User talk:David Biddulph|talk]]) 13:00, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
::::::::Ah I did not know that. Ok, so, I should remove the article? [[User:Ss prod|Ss prod]] ([[User talk:Ss prod|talk]]) 13:02, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
::::::::I am still curious why one article was allowed and another denied, outside of the conflict of interest issue (which I do understand). The article was rejected based on its citations, not the conflict, when similar citations have been approved. Can anyone clarify this for me? I will still delete the article but I'd like to know what informed the disparity between treatments of two similar subjects. [[User:Ss prod|Ss prod]] ([[User talk:Ss prod|talk]]) 13:05, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
:::Thank you for pointing out the problems with [[Anthony Shim]]. In my opinion, it is inadequately sourced, and I have tagged it accordingly. Please see [[WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS]]. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 13:41, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
::::I know I'm new here, but I think the Shim article feels well sourced, and I think it's important to keep room for the new generation of filmmakers, especially those who are BIPOC and women who are often left out of these spaces. I'm sorry that my bringing up the Shim article in contrast with the one I am submitting may lead to added obstacles for him. Why I mentioned it is because I'm confused about the interview issue when the citation isn't used to establish the opinions of the subject but to establish those of the interviewER, and in Shim's article, this citation was OK. I have also seen this in several other articles about filmmakers at this stage, but I will not mention them by name or link to them anymore. I suggest a more nuanced and considered approach to resources. [[User:Ss prod|Ss prod]] ([[User talk:Ss prod|talk]]) 13:49, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
{{od|::::::::}} Basically, you have donated the content and only an administrator can delete an article. As the author, you can ''request'' deletion. I'll leave others more accustomed to the circumstances to advise on this. I had a quick look at the website and saw some minor crossover text, but didn't pore over it.--[[User:Rocknrollmancer|Rocknrollmancer]] ([[User talk:Rocknrollmancer|talk]]) 13:19, 11 November 2022 (UTC)


What do you think of this? [[User:ZetaformGames|ZetaformGames]] ([[User talk:ZetaformGames|talk]]) 19:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
== Add what a Staff Assistant To Director ==


:Hi @[[User:ZetaformGames|ZetaformGames]], welcome to the teahouse and welcome to Wikipedia! I think that this could be a good idea as a subsection in the article for [[Intercept message]] or some other related article. I don't think that there is enough for a full article with the sources you've posted but could definitely be an interesting paragraph! [[User:Justiyaya|'''<span style="color:#1d556d">Just</span>''']][[Special:Contributions/Justiyaya|'''<span style="color:#000000">i</span>''']][[User talk:Justiyaya#top|'''<span style="color:#6d351d">yaya</span>''']] 07:12, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
I wanto document what a Federal Assistant to a Director is and does in a Veterans Healthcare Administration Hospital for serving our Nations [[User:Soldierldy|Soldierldy]] ([[User talk:Soldierldy|talk]]) 14:04, 11 November 2022 (UTC)


== Maryam Mirzakhani ==
:Hello, [[User:Soldierldy|Soldierldy]]! Welcome to the Teahouse! It appears as though you wish to create an article regarding this subject. In order for a subject to qualify for a Wikipedia article, the subject must be notable ([[WP:N|click this link for an in-depth explanation]]). The [[WP:GNG|general notability guideline]] states that the subject must be covered by multiple reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. All contentious information must be [[WP:V|verified by a reputable source]]. You may also wish to ensure that the article you create does not contain any [[WP:COPYVIO|copyright violations]], as this is a free encyclopedia and you do not wish to distribute any copyright-infringing material. Articles have a [[WP:MOS|manual of style]] that covers how your writing style should be when writing an article. Finally, make sure your article is not [[WP:WPNOT|contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia]]. Since you are not [[WP:AUTOC|autoconfirmed]] yet, in order to create an article, you must go to [[WP:AFC|articles for creation]] and create a draft (your title with the prefix <code>Draft:</code>). Once the above criteria are met, the article will be [[WP:MOVE|moved]] by an experienced user into the main article space, where it is available for all readers to see. Thanks! — [[User:3PPYB6|3PPYB6]] <sup>([[User talk:3PPYB6|T]] / [[Special:Contribs/3PPYB6|C]] / [[Special:Log/3PPYB6|L]])</sup> — 14:31, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
::[[Help:Your first article]] is a wonderful resource as well. — [[User:3PPYB6|3PPYB6]] <sup>([[User talk:3PPYB6|T]] / [[Special:Contribs/3PPYB6|C]] / [[Special:Log/3PPYB6|L]])</sup> — 14:35, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
:Hello, Soldierldy, and welcome to the Teahouse. The question in my mind is, what do you mean by "document"? If you mean that you want to survey the existing literature on the subject and write a summary of what the sources say, that's fine. My suspicion is that you want to write about your own experience and conclusions. If that's the case, I'm afraid that Wikipedia would regard that as [[WP:original research|original research]], which is not acceptable in any article. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 15:37, 11 November 2022 (UTC)


Can someone fix the error in the [[Maryam Mirzakhani]] article?
== Get my article published - How to improve references? ==


Mirzakhani solved this counting problem by relating it to the problem of computing volumes in moduli space—a space whose points correspond to different complex structures on a surface genus '''<span style="color:red">Failed to parse (SVG (MathML can be enabled via browser plugin): Invalid response ("Math extension cannot connect to Restbase.") from server "http://localhost:6011/en.wikipedia.org/v1/":): {\displaystyle g}</span> .''' In her thesis, Mirzakhani found a volume formula for the moduli space of bordered Riemann surfaces of genus g {\displaystyle g} with n {\displaystyle n} geodesic boundary components. From this formula followed the counting for simple closed geodesics mentioned above, as well as a number of other results. This led her to obtain a new proof for the formula discovered by Edward Witten and Maxim Kontsevich on the intersection numbers of tautological classes on moduli space.
Hello.


Thanks. [[Special:Contributions/76.14.122.5|76.14.122.5]] ([[User talk:76.14.122.5|talk]]) 19:28, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
I wrote the following article (Sandbox), but Wikipedia declined its publication: [[User:LRExpertsen/sandbox]]
:<s>Hi IP 76.14.122.5. Generally, the best place to discuss something like this is on the talk page for the article in question, which in this case would be [[:Talk:Maryam Mirzakhani]]; however, if you truly believe there's an error in the article, you can be [[:WP:BOLD]] and fix it yourself if you think you can. Please understand though that "fix it" in this context means to correct the article in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines, and the policies/guidelines most likely applicable in this case are going to be [[:Wikipedia:Verifiability]] and [[:Wikipedia:No original research]]. Ideally, you're going to need to find [[:WP:SECONDARY]] [[:WP:RS|reliable sources]] (as defined by Wikipedia) to cite in support of the change you want to make; [[:WP:VNT|even if you know such changes to be true]], you're still going to need to cite reliable sources in support to allow others to verify the changes. If you just make a change without providing any citations to a reliable source in support, there's a good chance the change will be undone by another user. Given that this seems to be related to mathematics, you might argue that "proving" the information to be incorrect based on Mirakhani's academic thesis is more than sufficient in and of itself, but Wikipedia generally requires something more and a thesis is going to be, for the most part, considered a [[:WP:PRIMARY]] source and could have other issues as explained in [[:WP:SCHOLARSHIP]]. You could also try asking about this at [[:Wikipedia:WikiProject Mathematics]] since that's where you're going to have a better chance of finding someone sufficiently versed in mathematics who might be able to help sort this out. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 19:52, 31 December 2024 (UTC)</s>;<ins>post edited. -- 22:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)</ins>
::Please disregard my reply IP 76.14.122.5. I misunderstood what you were asking about. ColinFine's suggestion below seems to be the best course of action here. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 22:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:Hello, IP user. What you are reporting is a problem in the software, the network, or the user interface, and not in the content of the article. Generally, technical problems of this sort are better handled at [[WP:VPT]] than here. However, I'm not seeing that problem, either on the browser on my laptop, or on the Android app. Is it repeatable, or might it have been a temporary glitch?
:Actually, now I look at it, the URL above appears to be a local proxy, so it may be that whoever manages your local network has not configured the proxy in a way that Wikipedia requires. Again, [[WP:VPT]] is a better place to ask about this.
:@[[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]]. The problem that the IP is reporting is obviously a technical one, so your answer is entirely off the point. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 20:21, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks for catching my mistake and pointing the OP in the right direction {{u|ColinFine}}. I've stricken my reply so as to not confuse the OP or anyone else. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 22:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)


== Stuck on Puerto Rico outages notability. ==
It is about LatamReady, a solution provider company of Oracle NetSuite ERP.


Hi, new to Wikipedia here and probably gonna create a draft on the Puerto Rico power outage crisis but wanted to ask:
Wikipedia declined it because the references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia Article. In the message, they say the sources don't have 1)in-depth, 2)reliable, 3)secondary, or 4)independent.
I’m stuck in the notability of this topic, so, is the Puerto Rico power outage crisis notable enough for Wikipedia? By power outage crisis I mean the beginning of the Puerto Rican outages from [[Hurricane Maria]] to [https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/12/31/us/puerto-rico-power-outage now] since it has lasted multiple years with sustained media coverage when an outage does occur.
Cheers! [[Special:Contributions/66.50.50.222|66.50.50.222]] ([[User talk:66.50.50.222|talk]]) 20:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:Rather than a new article, you could expand on the outages already documented in [[:Puerto Rico Electric Power Authority]] and in [[:LUMA Energy]]. [[User:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#066293;">'''Schazjmd'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#738276;">''(talk)''</span>]] 20:44, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::A search within Wikipedia on "Puerto Rico power outage" yields a list of several articles, including [[:Puerto Rico Electric Power Authority]] and in [[:LUMA Energy]] [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 21:15, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Noted. Will expand those articles then instead. Thanks! [[Special:Contributions/66.50.50.222|66.50.50.222]] ([[User talk:66.50.50.222|talk]]) 21:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:My first impression would be that an article is likely warranted. PR is an island of ~3 million people, in the same neighborhood as Los Angeles. If Los Angeles were having sustained multi-year-long Issues with electrical service, there would be an article about it. [[WP:NONENG|Non-English language sources are perfectly acceptable]] for citing in articles, as long as a little care is observed.
:Note, to the anonymous editor: if you [[WP:create an account|create an account]] you get your own shiny neato [[WP:userspace|userspace]] to use mostly at your leisure, where for instance you can work on draft articles with no hurry. I have one underway in mine in fact. And thank you again for being interested in contributing to Wikipedia!
:(Regarding LA: some may have had come to mind the [[California energy crisis]], but, neat fact, LA actually escaped impact from that because of having [[Los Angeles DWP|its own municipal utility]] with its own generation capacity!) --[[User:Slowking Man|Slowking Man]] ([[User talk:Slowking Man|talk]]) 01:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::<small>Note to [[User:Slowking Man]]: The userspace is the wrong place to draft an article. Either use your Sandbox or else follow instructions at [[WP:YFA]] to create a draft. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 03:33, 1 January 2025 (UTC)</small>
:::Is "userspace" not the colloquial term for "your user page and any and all subpages of it"? The "official" user sandbox link is [[Special:MyPage/sandbox]], which takes you to the /sandbox subpage of your user page. --[[User:Slowking Man|Slowking Man]] ([[User talk:Slowking Man|talk]]) 05:29, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::Hello, the IP editor (66.xx) here, just created my account, and I mainly refrained from creating an article due to being worried about a potential conflict-of-interest (I live in Puerto Rico myself). I might work on a draft later today and collect sources (as @[[User:BusterD|BusterD]] suggested), thank you all btw for helping me clear up this question I’ve had for some time now! [[User:Atheions|Atheions]] ([[User talk:Atheions|talk]]) 04:11, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:On the other hand, [[User:Slowking Man]] is correct that an article might be created on this newsworthy subject and that one shouldn't necessarily rely strictly on English-language sources. Looking at the existing material, it certainly seems a sequence of outages could be established from some of the reliable sources already applied to pagespace. I agree with [[User:David notMD]] that [[WP:YFA]] is a place to consider how to start a new page. I would start collecting sources, online and in print. [[User:BusterD|BusterD]] ([[User talk:BusterD|talk]]) 03:58, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:Apologies if jumping the gun or creating a draft too early, but I have [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:2017-25_Puerto_Rico_power_outages created one]. Won’t be able to do much progress today but will def collect sources to use. [[User:Atheions|Atheions]] ([[User talk:Atheions|talk]]) 07:32, 1 January 2025 (UTC)


== Am I allowed to post something about a game I am making on Wikipedia? ==
However, I edited the article by adding new well-known references such as New York Times and The Guardian, but Wikipedia rejected the article.


Can you give me more advice on how to edit the article, so Wikipedia approves it? Including references or any other subject that can be improved. [[User:LRExpertsen|LRExpertsen]] ([[User talk:LRExpertsen|talk]]) 15:33, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
Am i allowed to post somthing about a game i am making? On Wikipedia [[User:Aaronfart14|Aaronfart14]] ([[User talk:Aaronfart14|talk]]) 22:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:Allowed? Yes. Good idea? No. Likely to remain on Wikipedia? No. Writing an article is difficult, particularly for new editors. And since this is about '''your''' game, you have a conflict of interest in writing about it. See [[H:YFA]] and [[WP:COI]]. Simply posting information about your game rather than writing an article would be promotion. See [[WP:PROMOTION]] [[User:Meters|Meters]] ([[User talk:Meters|talk]]) 22:20, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::{{u|Aaronfart14}}, the relevant content guideline is [[WP:Wikipedia is not for things made up one day]]. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 02:36, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::If your game goes public, and if it becomes so popular that people are publishing about it, then there is a chance that someone other than you will create an article about it. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 03:37, 1 January 2025 (UTC)


== Writing about Childhood and Early Life ==
:Hello, LRExpertsen, and welcome to the Teahouse. Your first problem is that it is not clear what your article is about: is it about LatamReady or about Oracle NetSuite ERP? Also, I can't actually tell from your draft whether NetSuite ERP is a product of LatamReady, or a system that LatamReady provides access to. I notice that we have an article on [[NetSuite]], that you haven't actually linked to. What is the relationship between LatamReady and that company?
:Your other problem is that you are focussing on just one of the three criteria for sources: that of being reliable. The other two are [[WP:IS|independence]], and [[WP:significant coverage|significant coverage]]. Two of your four sources do not mention LatamReady at all, and are useless for establishing it as notable. I suspect that the WSJ one does not either, but I can't read it as I am not a subscriber. And the Spanish source seems to be based on an interview, so it is not independent. Remember that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in [[WP:reliable sources|reliable sources]].
:I also need to ask, do you have a connection with LatamReady? When somebody creates an account, and immediately embarks on the incredibly difficult task of creating an article, they very often have a connection with the subject. If you have, you should read about [[WP:conflict of interest|conflict of interest]], and if you are in any way employed by the company, you '''must''' read about [[WP:paid editing|paid editing]] and make the necessarily declarations. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 16:05, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
:@[[User:LRExpertsen|LRExpertsen]] You are now on your third warning for potential [[WP:UPE]]. The question is a mandatory question. 🇺🇦&nbsp;[[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk&nbsp;to&nbsp;me</small></sup>]]&nbsp;🇺🇦 19:06, 11 November 2022 (UTC)


I am writing an article about Andrea Sheridan Ordin, who is already included in two existing wikipedia articles entitled, "List of first women lawyers and judges in California" and "United States District Court for the Central District of California." I am interviewing her personally and have reputable sources about her career notability, but I'm not sure how to write her "early life" section, since there are not many sources describing her childhood aside from her firsthand account. How to I write about her early life without secondary sources? [[User:Aharten97|Aharten97]] ([[User talk:Aharten97|talk]]) 22:17, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
== Solo notability ==
:{{re|Aharten97}} It's not possible without reliable secondary published sources. For the policies, see [[WP:V]]. Personal notes from an interview are neither published nor reliable, and self-published statements are rarely reliable. If it's noteworthy it will have been published somewhere. If not then it isn't. -- [[user:zzuuzz|zzuuzz]] <sup>[[user_talk:zzuuzz|(talk)]]</sup> 22:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::https://ethics.lacity.gov/news/murray-and-ordin-re-elected-as-ethics-commission-leaders/ provides some info for an Early life and education section. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 04:24, 1 January 2025 (UTC)


== What to write on your talk page? ==
Hello.


Above question [[User:HELSINKI!233|HELSINKI!233]] ([[User talk:HELSINKI!233|talk]]) 22:32, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Last year I created a draft page for American YouTuber and singer [[Draft:Gabi DeMartino]] who is the 1/2 of the duo [[Niki and Gabi]]. Unfortunately the draft has been declined several times because "she's not notable enough as a solo artist". She released more music individually than she did when she was a part of the duo, was featured in one of the [[List of most-viewed online videos in the first 24 hours|most-watched music video in YouTube within 24 hours]], opened for German artist [[Zedd]], signed to [[Roc Nation]] for music management and has done so many other stuff to identify as a solo artist but her single did not rank high on a recognized chart. Could someone re-review it or maybe help with making it a better article to be moved to the main space? Thanks. [[User:Gabriella Grande|Gabriella Grande]] ([[User talk:Gabriella Grande|talk]]) 15:59, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
:Hi and welcome, @[[User:HELSINKI!233|HELSINKI!233]]. Your talk page is where other editors can leave messages for you or begin conversations with you. You can learn more at [[WP:USERTALK|the guidelines for user pages]]. [[User:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#066293;">'''Schazjmd'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#738276;">''(talk)''</span>]] 22:37, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::It is not for chat, or your thoughts/opinions about stuff. Also, with a few exceptions, you are allowed to delete content from your Talk page, although some people prefer to archive older content instead. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 04:19, 1 January 2025 (UTC)


== Citations about movies ==
:@[[User:Gabriella Grande|gabriella grande]]: none of that matters. what you need are at least 2 or 3 [[WP:RS|reliable]], [[WP:IS|independent]] sources that cover the subject [[WP:SIGCOV|significantly]]. if you don't have those, the subject does not deserve an article. [[user:lettherebedarklight|lettherebedarklight]]〔[[user talk:lettherebedarklight|晚安]] [[special:contribs/lettherebedarklight|おやすみ]]〕[[template:ping|ping me when replying]] 16:30, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
::@[[User:Lettherebedarklight|Lettherebedarklight]] I already added [[Forbes]], [[Insider (news website)|Insider]], [[BuzzFeed News|Buzzfeed News]] and many more, which according to [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources]] they are reliable. [[User:Gabriella Grande|Gabriella Grande]] ([[User talk:Gabriella Grande|talk]]) 16:57, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Gabriella Grande}} The [https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesdigitalcovers/2018/07/16/100m-magic-why-bruno-mars-and-other-stars-are-ditching-their-managers/?sh=1616b73e25b5 Forbes source] is credited to a contributor, which [[WP:FORBESCON|is not generally considered reliable]]. I do not think that either the Buzzfeed or the Insider articles are really [[WP:SIGCOV|significant coverage]] of DeMartino. If they are the best case for notability that can be made, even if we did consider them significant coverage I would be concerned about whether [[WP:BLP1E|this was an article on a living person based on a single event]]. Your draft contains lots of sources, but it's not at all clear to me which of them actually count towards notability &ndash; generally a draft having lots of questionable sources does not help it get accepted at AfC: it's much better to have a smaller number of sources which all clearly count towards notability. [[User:Caeciliusinhorto-public|Caeciliusinhorto-public]] ([[User talk:Caeciliusinhorto-public|talk]]) 17:13, 11 November 2022 (UTC)


I'm trying to improve [[The Lincoln Lawyer (film)]]
== Visual edit: value (help), website= (help) ==


1) Is IMDB considered a good citation for the cast list, producer name, etc?
Using the Visual Editor Manual tab (after "We couldn't make a citation for you. You can create one manually using the "Manual" tab above." appeared) I added a live URL citation and its archived copy to an article, filling in the appropriate fields but "{{cite web}}: Check |archive-url= value (help); External link in |website= (help)" appears after "Retrieved 9 November 2022.". What do I need to do? [[User:Mcljlm|Mcljlm]] ([[User talk:Mcljlm|talk]]) 16:16, 11 November 2022 (UTC)


2) How do I add a citation to an existing infobox? (Visual or Source editor)
:@[[User:Mcljlm|mcljlm]]: i'm assuming this is about [[party lists for the 2022 Israeli legislative election]]. the archive url is the exact same as the non-archived url, and the website parameter takes the name of the website, not the url. [[user:lettherebedarklight|lettherebedarklight]]〔[[user talk:lettherebedarklight|晚安]] [[special:contribs/lettherebedarklight|おやすみ]]〕[[template:ping|ping me when replying]] 16:34, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
::@[[lettherebedarklight〔晚安 おやすみ|lettherebedarklight〔晚安 おやすみ]] Thanks. I hadn't noticed my mouse hadn't copied the archived version. Now half the problem is solved but "<code><nowiki>{{cite web}}: External link in |website= (help)"</nowiki></code> still appears (I only added {thought I was adding} the archived version 2 days after the original edit). What do I need to do now? [[User:Mcljlm|Mcljlm]] ([[User talk:Mcljlm|talk]]) 00:53, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
:::Hi {{u|Mcljlm}}. The citation error was due to you (I'm assuming it was you) trying to use add a url address for the {{para|website}} parameter. You should use the name of the website instead. I don't understand Hebrew; so I simply replaced the url you added with "gov.il". If you know the name of the website, you should use that instead. Another thing I noticed is that you're citing non-English websites as sources. While this is allowed as explained in [[:WP:NONENGLISH]], it can be confusing to readers sometime since they're reading English Wikipedia and, thus. expecting sources written in English. Many governmental websites have multi-language versions and you should cite the English version of the source if one exists whenever possible. If no such page exists or the source in the original language is preferred, you can still make things a bit easier by using the parameters {{para|script-title}}, {{para|title}}, {{para|language}}, and {{para|trans-title}}. Most of the documentation pages for the more widely used citation templates like {{tl|cite web}} have examples on how to use these parameters, and it's not too complicated to figure out. The {{para|script-title}} parameter is particularly useful when the source being cited uses a non-[[:Latin script]] like Hebrew does because it helps with [[:MOS:ACCESSIBILITY]]. In such cases, the {{para|title}} parameter should be used for the [[:Romanized]] version of the source's title, with the {{para|trans-title}} parameter then being used for the English translation of the source's title. The {{para|language}} parameter is just the [[:List of ISO 639-1 codes|two-letter code for the source language]]. I reformatted one of the citations you added using these parameter (I left the {{para|title}} parameter empty because I don't read Hebrew), and it would be big help if you could go back and finish the citation I started and then also clean up the rest in the same way. Finally, I also noticed that the {{para|page}} parameters for some of the citations seem to have dates added to them instead of page numbers. The date the source was published should be added to the {{para|date}} parameter, and the page of the source being cited is what should be added to the {{para|page}} parameter. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 01:48, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
::::Thanks {{u|Marchjuly}}. Are you saying I should have entered gov.il as the website name rather than https://www.gov.il? I didn't use Central Elections Committee as the website name since the CEC is only a government department as its home page URL https://www.gov.il/en/departments/central-elections-committee/govil-landing-page indicates and its name doesn't always appear in its webpages (see below). Would it be preferable to gov.il despite that?
::::I'm not sure why you say I'm citing non-English websites. I cited the English-language page https://www.gov.il/BlobFolder/guide/candidates-lists-25/en/candidates_candidates_lists.pdf which I accessed from the hyperlink Names of the Candidates in the 25th Knesset Elections at the foot of https://www.gov.il/en/Departments/Guides/candidates-lists-25 (it's actually there twice), en indicating it's the English version. [[User:Mcljlm|Mcljlm]] ([[User talk:Mcljlm|talk]]) 03:25, 12 November 2022 (UTC)


Many thanks
== Username change ==


[[User:Littenberg|Ben]] ([[User talk:Littenberg|talk]]) 22:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Can i cancel a request for username change? '''[[:User:Quantum XYZ|<span style="color: Brown; text-decoration: inherit;">Quantum XYZ</span>]]'''<small> <span style="color:Brown">(</span>[[:User talk:Quantum XYZ|<span style="color: Brown; text-decoration: inherit;">chat</span>]]<span style="color:Brown">)</span></small> 17:49, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
:Hi and welcome, @[[User:Littenberg|Littenberg]]. Imdb is not considered a reliable source because much of its information is [[WP:UGC|user-generated]]. You can learn how to add citations at [[User:Nick Moyes/Easier Referencing for Beginners|Easier Referencing for Beginners]]. [[User:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#066293;">'''Schazjmd'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#738276;">''(talk)''</span>]] 22:39, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::If you click on Edit at the top menu it allows you to edit the entire article, including the Infobox. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 04:15, 1 January 2025 (UTC)


== How do I create a Wikipedia article ==
:[[User:Quantum XYZ|Quantum XYZ]], just revert the request. [[User:Sungodtemple|Sungodtemple]] ([[User talk:Sungodtemple|talk]]) 17:55, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
:[[User:Sungodtemple|Sungodtemple]]: I cant find ot at my contributions, and on the request page it only allows me to make a requests. '''[[:User:Quantum XYZ|<span style="color: Brown; text-decoration: inherit;">Quantum XYZ</span>]]'''<small> <span style="color:Brown">(</span>[[:User talk:Quantum XYZ|<span style="color: Brown; text-decoration: inherit;">chat</span>]]<span style="color:Brown">)</span></small> 05:13, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
::The request page is [[Special:GlobalRenameRequest]]. '''[[:User:Quantum XYZ|<span style="color: Brown; text-decoration: inherit;">Quantum XYZ</span>]]'''<small> <span style="color:Brown">(</span>[[:User talk:Quantum XYZ|<span style="color: Brown; text-decoration: inherit;">chat</span>]]<span style="color:Brown">)</span></small> 05:59, 12 November 2022 (UTC)


How do I create an article on Wikipedia? [[User:Красный Октябрь|Красный Октябрь]] ([[User talk:Красный Октябрь|talk]]) 23:12, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
== Improve the Draft page and get approval ==


:Здравствуйте, @[[User:Красный Октябрь|Красный Октябрь]], and welcome to the Teahouse. {{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}} [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 23:33, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Hi all, I created a page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:PaykanArtCar and would like to seek for your support to go through the article and advise if there's improvement needed. I have followed the neutral tone of voice and notable source guideline throughout the article, however if you think there's anything I should adjust, please let me know. [[User:KP070707|KP070707]] ([[User talk:KP070707|talk]]) 18:26, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
::Can you help me learn how to make one? I want to make an article on the Kazan bombing that happened about a 1.5 week ago. [[User:Красный Октябрь|Красный Октябрь]] ([[User talk:Красный Октябрь|talk]]) 23:50, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::{{u|Красный Октябрь}}, please be aware that the [[Russo-Ukrainian War]] is a designated contentious topic. You cannot write new content about that war until your account is [[WP:XC|Extended confirmed]], which means the account is over a month old (it is) ''and'' has made over 500 constractive edits (you have a long way to go). [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 02:56, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Then can someone else make an article about it? [[User:Красный Октябрь|Красный Октябрь]] ([[User talk:Красный Октябрь|talk]]) 04:08, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::Teahouse Hosts are here to advise, but not to be authors or co-authors. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 04:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Who do I ask about it? [[User:Красный Октябрь|Красный Октябрь]] ([[User talk:Красный Октябрь|talk]]) 08:59, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::{{u|Красный Октябрь}}, if you persist in discussing a designated contentious topic such as the [[Russo-Ukrainian War]] before you are extended confirmed, you may be blocked. So, please edit other topic areas until then. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 09:16, 1 January 2025 (UTC)


== Why are padlocks not automatically added when an article is protected? ==
:@[[User:KP070707|KP070707]] After a brief skim, you should remove words such as "famous" (see [[WP:WTW]]). Also, citations should come after punctuation. Broadly speaking, the article does come off a tad promotional, so I would advise rewriting the article as if you were a completely neutral observer, just stating the facts. [[User:Pyrrho the Skipper|Pyrrho the Skipper]] ([[User talk:Pyrrho the Skipper|talk]]) 20:57, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
:@[[User:KP070707|KP070707]] There are several places where you have external links within the article's text. These should be removed or converted into citations. See [[WP:EL]] [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 20:56, 11 November 2022 (UTC)


Sorry if this is the wrong place. [[User:Heyaaaaalol|Heyaaaaalol]] ([[User talk:Heyaaaaalol|talk]]) 02:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
== Nowiki? ==


:@[[User:Heyaaaaalol|Heyaaaaalol]] Because an administrator needs to add a protection notice (the padlocks) to a page in order to show the padlock on pages. Sometimes the padlocks do not get placed on a page, especially if it's a user page, unless if the protection notice is placed by an administrator. [[User:NicePrettyFlower|NicePrettyFlower]] ([[User talk:NicePrettyFlower|talk]]) 03:35, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Sorry, newbie question, but what are the <code>nowiki</code> tags? I've seen them used in a few edits, normally wrapped around other pieces of text. [[User:TheManInTheBlackHat|TheManInTheBlackHat]] ([[User talk:TheManInTheBlackHat|talk]]) 19:36, 11 November 2022 (UTC)


:[[User:Heyaaaaalol|Heyaaaaalol]], I have done some page protection myself. Usually when I apply protection, I wish to see the "padlock" icon applied. Sometimes when I use the protection script, I forget to click the toggle which leaves the padlock icon. In that case, there's a bot which usually fixes that mistake automatically. If you see a protected page without an icon, you might tell someone. Do our answers help? [[User:BusterD|BusterD]] ([[User talk:BusterD|talk]]) 03:44, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|TheManInTheBlackHat}} No need to apolgize for a newbie question, that's the entire point of the Teahouse. nowiki just makes it so stings of text aren't interpreted Wikitext (for example If I wanted to Dispaly [[Template:Clear]] with curly brackets without summoning the template, I would put: <nowiki>{{clear}}</nowiki>) ― [[User:Blaze Wolf|<b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze&nbsp;Wolf</b>]][[User talk:Blaze Wolf|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze&nbsp;Wolf#6545</sub> 19:39, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
:Hello, @[[User:Heyaaaaalol|Heyaaaaalol]]. To actually answer your question: because nobody has implemented that function in the software. I don't know whether there is a technical reason for that, or whether it's just that nobody's got round to it. Questions about the software and user interface are better asked at the Village pump: either [[WP:VPT]] or [[WP:VPR]] [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 13:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::That clears it up, thank you. [[User:TheManInTheBlackHat|TheManInTheBlackHat]] ([[User talk:TheManInTheBlackHat|talk]]) 19:40, 11 November 2022 (UTC)


== Multiple non-free album covers on one page ==
== disambiguation query: page= My Uncle Napoleon ==


For the album ''[[Breakfast with Girls]]'', there's an associated EP located at the section ''[[Breakfast with Girls#Brunch|Brunch]]''. The EP has an infobox but is currently without cover artwork, so I'm wondering if it's appropriate for the article to have another non-free image when one is already in use for the album's artwork. If not within free use, ''Brunch''{{'}}s artwork (seen [https://self.is/brunch here]) is mostly text on a black background, so would I be allowed to crop out the non-text part and use that as a [[Template:PD-textlogo|public domain text logo]] image in an infobox? [[User:Koopastar|Koopastar]] ([[User talk:Koopastar|talk]]) 04:50, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
i'm copy/pasting/rewriting my talk page question here because i think this is a better place? the article is [[My Uncle Napoleon]]. i want to work on the article more in general, but this is my main question atm. (very first time editor!)


:Hi [[User:Koopastar|Koopastar]], I do think that another cover would be within fair use. There's also been instances of this in the past like [[In Rainbows#In Rainbows Disk 2]]. Happy editing! [[User:Justiyaya|'''<span style="color:#1d556d">Just</span>''']][[Special:Contributions/Justiyaya|'''<span style="color:#000000">i</span>''']][[User talk:Justiyaya#top|'''<span style="color:#6d351d">yaya</span>''']] 06:59, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
"Mash Qasem is said to be from Ghiasabad. that is listed on the page with *Disambiguation Needed*. i don't think this can be disambiguated! given the tone of the novel, that seems to be a joke, given his compulsive lying tendencies, about there being so many different Ghiasabads! what would be the best way to resolve this? do i need to find a citation confirming his being from ghiasabad is a joke about ambiguity [something i do not know if is possible]. much thanks" [[Special:Contributions/2600:6C67:6E7F:5AD1:0:0:0:3|2600:6C67:6E7F:5AD1:0:0:0:3]] ([[User talk:2600:6C67:6E7F:5AD1:0:0:0:3|talk]]) 22:10, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
:I'd just remove the link and the tag. If it's not possible to pick one Ghiasabad to link to, but there's no source saying it is an intentionally ambiguous joke, linking to the disambiguation doesn't really help the reader. ■&nbsp;∃&nbsp;[[User:Maddy from Celeste|<b style="color:#C64600">Madeline</b>]]&nbsp;⇔&nbsp;∃&nbsp;[[User talk:Maddy from Celeste|<b style="color:#613583">Part&nbsp;of&nbsp;me</b>]]&nbsp;''';''' 22:54, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
[[User:SheepsHaver|SheepsHaver]] ([[User talk:SheepsHaver|talk]]) 22:20, 11 November 2022 (UTC)


== afd ==
== Problems editing a discography and adding a new title. ==


Column formatting problems. I am trying to add the 1975 single "Calypso" to the John Denver discography, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Denver_discography#Singles [[User:Packzap|Packzap]] ([[User talk:Packzap|talk]]) 04:13, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
I really like a certain article, but it's afd, if it is deleted, is there a way to still view it [[User:Saarabout|🐢]] ([[User talk:Saarabout|talk]]) 05:24, 1 January 2025 (UTC)


:History checker [[User:SimpleSubCubicGraph|SimpleSubCubicGraph]] ([[User talk:SimpleSubCubicGraph|talk]]) 05:26, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:"Calypso" is the "B" side to John Denver's single "I'm Sorry" and peaked at position #2 in the US Billboard Hot 100 chart in 1975. The problem is in getting the columns to line up properly as I don't have chart info for the other columns. The song is from the same album "Windsong". [[User:Packzap|Packzap]] ([[User talk:Packzap|talk]]) 04:25, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
:If the article is still "public" currently, you can save a copy for yourself: [[Wikipedia:Download as PDF|Download as PDF]] (maybe see also [[mw:Help:Export|Help:Export]]). Otherwise go to: [[CAT:RESTORE]]. --[[User:Slowking Man|Slowking Man]] ([[User talk:Slowking Man|talk]]) 06:14, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::Is there a good resource on how to format these funky Wiki table columns correctly? [[User:Packzap|Packzap]] ([[User talk:Packzap|talk]]) 04:27, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
::This appears to be about [[X11 color names]], which has been in existance since 2003 and has been edited more than 700 times since then. While it is unlikely that it will be deleted, as noted, you can save a copy to your computer. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 13:55, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::I'll sort of answer my own question (talking to myself in the tea house {grin}. I just noticed on the John Denver discography page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Denver_discography#Singles that an entry was added to the bottom for "Charted B-sides" and contains "Calypso". Hence there is no need apparently to add it to the listing of singles farther up the page from 1975? [[User:Packzap|Packzap]] ([[User talk:Packzap|talk]]) 05:27, 12 November 2022 (UTC)


== Hypothetically, could it be possible to write a netural autobiography? ==
== writing a biography ==


Hypothetically, would it be possible for someone on Wikipedia to write a neutral autobiography of themselves? Showing the good and bad and making no favor to either side, providing proof and checking all of the boxes. How would that go and would it be accepted? What if say a Wikipedia administrator that is not really well known becomes for example the president of the US? Can they have oversight over their own article? Are they removed from their position? Can they no longer edit anything involving US politics due to their inherent bias? And finally has there been any real examples of this over the past 20+ years? [[User:SimpleSubCubicGraph|SimpleSubCubicGraph]] ([[User talk:SimpleSubCubicGraph|talk]]) 05:25, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
I want to write a bio of a well known commercial artist who is deceased. Is it correct that every fact, such as his employers, places of residence, and so on, must be publicly documented? Some of the information I have is from personal knowledge, such as that he was a Scoutmaster for the Boy Scouts. Can I not write that because it isn't documented? [[User:Entwalker|Entwalker]] ([[User talk:Entwalker|talk]]) 04:14, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
:Hello, {{u|SimpleSubCubicGraph}}. Hypothetically, what you describe is possible but the president of the US example is implausible because credible candidates for that office would already be the subject of a Wikipedia article. More plausible would be a longtime editor elected to a state or provincial legislature. I see no reason why that person could not submit an autobiography through [[WP:AFC|Articles for Creation]] with full disclosure, have the article accepted and continue as an editor or even as an administrator. They should certainly recuse from the current legislative affairs of their state or province but otherwise I would not see a broader problem. As for whether anything like that has ever happened, I do not know. Maybe another editor does. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 06:49, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:SimpleSubCubicGraph|SimpleSubCubicGraph]] welcome to the Teahouse! Interesting questions. I would say that while it is hypothetically possible, guidelines still strongly discourage creations of autobiographies and I haven't seen an instance of it being successful outside of early Wikipedia. This would have to go through [[WP:AFC|articles for creation]] and the editor should [[Wikipedia:DISCLOSE|declare]] their conflict of interest. Subjects do not have oversight of their own article.
:I would argue that if someone is elected president of the US they would have a financial relationship with the federal government and should stay away from editing those topics. I think they would have potentially less of a conflict of interest with state governments and historical united states politics. I don't think one would be removed as an administrator because they are elected to a public office here. I don't know of any Wikipedian that has been elected. [[CongressEdits]] is probably the closest to an example of this. [[User:Justiyaya|'''<span style="color:#1d556d">Just</span>''']][[Special:Contributions/Justiyaya|'''<span style="color:#000000">i</span>''']][[User talk:Justiyaya#top|'''<span style="color:#6d351d">yaya</span>''']] 06:46, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::Succeeding at autobiography is more likely to occur in an area such as [[WP:NACADEMIC]]. A senior professor at a university would have as models articles about other professors at their university. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 14:02, 1 January 2025 (UTC)


== Wiki page written by subject or friend of subject? ==
:That is correct, yes. If you know something personally, that is [[WP:OR|original research]] and is not allowed on Wikipedia. Look for [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] that contain the information, and make sure there are sources establishing [[WP:N|notability]] as well or else the article can't be written at all. [[User:Wpscatter|<span style="background:maroon;border-radius:9999px;padding:1px 8px;color:white;"><span style="font-weight:bold">WP</span>scatter</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Wpscatter|t]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Wpscatter|c]]</sub> 04:18, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
::Thank you very much. [[User:Entwalker|Entwalker]] ([[User talk:Entwalker|talk]]) 06:16, 12 November 2022 (UTC)


Hello, I saw a page on Wikipedia that looks like it was, based on the way it's presented, mostly written by the person who is the subject of the page, or a close friend. What is the standard flag or way to raise this on the page's talk page? Thank you for your help. [[User:FireBatV|FireBatV]] ([[User talk:FireBatV|talk]]) 08:05, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
== About Account ==


:Hello @[[User:FireBatV|FireBatV]]! Welcome to the Teahouse. The standard way is to tag the article with the [[Template:COI]] on the main article page. Alternatively, you can use [[Wikipedia:Twinkle|Twinkle]] to tag it as well. '''[[User:TNM101|<span style="color:red;">TNM</span><span style="color:black;">101</span>]]''' ([[User talk:TNM101|<span style="color:blue;">chat</span>]]) 12:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Can Can I have 2 Wikipedia IDs? At one time does Wikipedia allow this? I haven't made it yet. But I want to create a backup account. [[User:Jisshu|Jisshu]] ([[User talk:Jisshu|talk]]) 04:41, 12 November 2022 (UTC)


== Editing the Wikipedia page of "The crown" ==
:@[[User:Jisshu|Jisshu]] Hello, and welcome back to the Teahouse! See [[WP:SOCKLEGIT]] for legitimate uses of an alternate account. Otherwise, you are not allowed to have more than one account. [[User:Jolly1253|Jolly1253]] ([[User talk:Jolly1253|talk]]) 04:51, 12 November 2022 (UTC)


i want to edit the Wikipedia page of "the crown" on netflix why i wont add the seventh season of "the crown" if you cant tell the staff at netflix please add aditional information like the royal wedding of prince william and kate Middleton and the queen involvement in the 2012 summer olympics in london england alongside James bond!!! [[Special:Contributions/89.128.137.159|89.128.137.159]] ([[User talk:89.128.137.159|talk]]) 14:08, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
== serious question on global locks ==


:Hello IP Editor: there was no 7th season of The Crown, so your additions were inappropriate and were removed. Please don't add fake information to Wikipedia. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;">'''[[User:Qcne|<span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span>]]''' <small>[[User talk:Qcne|<span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span>]]</small></span> 14:18, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
so i came across an account called "wikipedia sucks" which is LOCKED for having an abusive username. really...? i understand a block, but not a lock. seems a little sensitive. as far as im concerned, locking an account should have only been used if they have an offensive user name, is a cross wiki abuser or spambot, sockpuppet or an LTA. locking an account for dissing wikipedia in what is probably more polite then what most people would say, seems ridiculous to me. [[Special:Contributions/50.109.187.59|50.109.187.59]] ([[User talk:50.109.187.59|talk]]) 04:46, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

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Technical question about the long hyphen

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Hi!

I've been editing the timeline of Polermo where the long hyphen dominates, but I can't seem to generate one.Typing a regular hyphen, gives me just that - a regular hyphen, typing two hyphens gives me two hyphens (--) and trying to make one through the keboard shortcut which I found on internet forums (Alt+0151), just gives me one that's too long (—). So far I've been copying and pasting existing long hyphens which is kind of annoying, does anyone have any better solutions?

Thanks! Moonshane1933 (talk) 14:38, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @Moonshane1933. I think you're talking about an em-dash. See MOS:EMDASH ColinFine (talk) 14:52, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes! That's what I meant! Thank you! Moonshane1933 (talk) 15:15, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think you could find a better character in "unicode table".
This "article" is listing the most common characters.

There are also the "Unicode block" entry on Wikipedia that can be maybe helpful. Anatole-berthe (talk) 14:54, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent. Thank you too! Moonshane1933 (talk) 15:16, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think ressources I shared with you will help you but I hope it will. Anatole-berthe (talk) 15:45, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ignoring the Minus sign, there are three 'horizontal line' characters most commonly used in text, the hyphen, the N-dash and the M-dash. There are various ways to insert the latter two; usually I do so with [alt]+0150 and [alt]+0151. Despite being a former professional book editor, I have not previously encountered a "long hyphen" (a term not found anywhere in Wikipedia). Note that the lengths of all these characters may look different in different typefaces: I suspect your "long hyphen" is an N-dash. [Apologies for semi-overlap with answers above.] {The poster formerly known as 897.81.230.195} 94.1.223.204 (talk) 17:00, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Moonshane1933 If you use the source editor, which you can do even if you mainly edit with the visual editor, you'll find that the N-dash and M-dash appear at the foot of the editing window, where you can click on them to insert them into text. Other useful tags like <ref></ref> are also available with a single click. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:11, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OOOOOOOHHHH... THANK YOU! That makes life easier! I hadn't even thought of looking at the source editor, because it always looks headache inducing to me. I'll give it a try. Thank you so much. Moonshane1933 (talk) 13:07, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, well, the "long hyphen" is a term that I coined, simply because I lacked the knowledge of its correct name, So I would have been very surprised if it had appeared in Wikipedia. Anyway, thank you, oh mysterious IP poster, I hope our paths cross again! Moonshane1933 (talk) 13:03, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Moonshane1933, some Christmas goodies for you:
Merriam-Webster Dictionary has a nice clear explanation about the both kinds of dashes and the hyphen, with good examples.
— The way the two kindts of dashes is written is em-dash (for —) and en-dash ( for – ), even though we pronounce the terms "M dash" and "N dash."
— Why these terns? Because the em-dash is exactly the width of capital M and the en-dash is exactly the width of capital N.
— If you have a Macintosh, there's a real simple way to make the dashes: the em-dash by pressing Control Option Hyphen at the same time, and the en-dash by pressing Option Hyphen at the same time.
—Did you notice how Nick Moyes creatively renamed Dasher, one of Santa Claus's eight reindeer, in his "Seasonal Greetings from all at the Teahouse" post to fellow editors below?
—You may be pleased to know that I found an online reference to a "long hyphen." So, then, you weren't completely alone in doing that. But as 94.1.223.204 commented above, in professional editing we just don't use it. Like ColinFine, )I think anyone who did say "long hyphen" would probably be thinking of the em-dash; though I also think what 94.1.223.204 said above is also technically correct, that the term would have to refer to the en-dash (that's the next size up for a hyphen, after all). Augnablik (talk) 06:08, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Augnablik, What a great reply! I thoroughly enjoyed every bit of it! And I learned a lot (not to detract from the other contributors, each of whom taught me something new - thanks, everybody) - a special thank you for the meanings of the em-dash and en-dash (I love that type of thing), and for drawing my attention to Nick Moyes' "Seasonal Greetings", and of course for finding me an ally in calling the en-dash a "Long hyphen" (don't worry, now that I know the correct terminology I will use it and hopefully amaze my friends...). Thank you again and Merry Christmas! Moonshane1933 (talk) 12:58, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Augnablik Not to be a naysayer, but I think the bit about em dashes being named for being 'M' width is a false etymology. I too would have loved if it were true, but I think it's actually based on the em unit as described in Dash#Em dash.  — Kilvin the Futz-y Enterovirus (talk) 10:23, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, @Kilvin the Futz-y Enterovirus, not to be a counter-naysayer (!) but there are many online sites with support for the width of the em-dash equal to M and of the en-dash equal to N. Here’s just one, offered by Grammarly. (Scroll down to What Is an En-Dash? and What Is an Em-Dash?) Augnablik (talk) 12:06, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hm... not to be a counter- counter- naysayer I mean I don't really think 'many online sites' and Grammarly (unsourced, could just be mirroring untrustworthy sources) are WP:RS. But you're right; my searches show similar results and don't really yield great answers to this matter (ideally there'd be a page like "Many people say that an em dash is named for X, but actually it is Y, and this misconception came from Z" linking to many reliable sources). I guess my personal bias is towards the people going "false etymology!" that acknowledge both X and Y rather than one group who simply assert the "fun" explanation with seemingly no awareness of the other explanation. I mean, as linked previously, the em and en are typographical units whose pages describe their origins, even addressing Em (typography)#Obsolete alternative definition.  — Kilvin the Futz-y Enterovirus (talk) 22:53, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oooh, @Kilvin the Futz-y Enterovirus, you’re acknowledging “personal bias” towards “false etymology?” That requires a declaration of COI! 🙂 Augnablik (talk) 18:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Aha! I found something! In the Historical thesaurus on the OED site. And I quote:
"em dash1836- A long dash , originally and usually the width of one em (see em, n.)." Moonshane1933 (talk) 13:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Can I be someone’s mentee?

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I am very interested in having a mentor to guide me through Wikipedia. I’ve been lurking here since I was little but I wanted to contribute seriously and be a part of a community. If anyone accepts my offer, thank you so much <3

i know about the adopt a user page, but I don’t know who to pick from there. Doopliss 👻 (she) | Creepy Steeple 🏚️ 06:32, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@DooplissTTYD Do you have the Newcomer homepage activated? You should have a "Your mentor" box there. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:53, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but I don’t see a mentor box anywhere, just add email, suggested edits, your impact and how to get help. I’m on mobile. Doopliss 👻 (she) | Creepy Steeple 🏚️ 17:40, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, in mobile view I see it under "Your impact." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:03, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I’m on mobile web, on an iPhone. Still don’t see it and I tapped on the your impact. Do I have to get assigned one first or… Doopliss 👻 (she) | Creepy Steeple 🏚️ 20:00, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, DooplissTTYD! The mentorship program automatically assigns every user a mentor, but only randomly selected editors in a set percentage (I think currently 25 or 50%, but I’m not sure) receive access to a homepage feature allowing them to ask questions. This is because the English Wikipedia doesn’t have enough mentors yet for the full volume of new accounts. This means that while you have a mentor, you have no way to see that because you’re in the percentage without the “Ask a question” module, so neither you nor your mentor know the other exists. It looks like your mentor is HouseBlaster; I’d suggest asking on their talk page if they’d mentor you. You should be in good hands there, but if you have any issues, feel free to comment further here or on my talk page and I’d be happy to help out however you need! Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 20:51, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks 🙏 Doopliss 👻 (she) | Creepy Steeple 🏚️ 21:01, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Perfect4th Just to point out that WP:GTF says that all new accounts on en:Wikipedia now get mentors. We could still do with more, experienced, editors signing up so we get on average fewer mentees per mentor. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:03, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like the full features are deployed, but the #Deployment section says 50% of new accounts receive the mentorship feature. It seems to be tagged with a needs update though, so perhaps it's changed again (I've lost track). Perfect4th (talk) 21:01, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProjects

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Hello,

Wished to know how to contact the members of a certain WikiProject for help regarding a certain topic under the jurisdiction of that WikiProject. To be specific, I wish to contact members of WP:INDIA and WP:RIVERS for assistance, but the respective WikiProject description pages weren't of much help. I also fear asking questions on WikiProject talk pages, seeing as some WikiProject talk page inquiries take forever to get attended to. Please help me out! Thanks, Dissoxciate (talk) 23:25, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject talk pages are the main way to do it, but as you noticed, a lot of them just aren't that active. One other thing you could do would be to find out which individual editors are active in the area and reach out to them directly. Though you might have some luck on the WikiProject talk page for India, since that's a larger topic with a more active editor base. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 04:16, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the heads-up, Thebiguglyalien. I'll see if I can make that work. Any other tips or suggestions that I could try out? Dissoxciate (talk) 09:57, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Updating my organization's Wikipedia page

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Hello there. I work for Lane Community College. Our Wikipedia page hasn't been updated for a decade. It was outdated, overly long, and felt biased. I've never edited a Wikipedia page before, so I didn't make an account. I just dove in. I tried to make it as concise, accurate, and objective as possible with many references. But now I'm worried that it will all be deleted. I've made an account now and am hoping to get forgiveness for any faux pas I may have committed and guidance on how to do this better in the future. Tythetitan (talk) 00:55, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think the biased view may come from one of the heavy contributors @Grand'mere Eugene who was a member faculty. The COI is disclosed on their user Talk page. The insider knowledge may have contributed to the detailed history of the school. There is a Talk page for the article that might benefit from discussion and disclosure. Just Al (talk) 01:23, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Tythetitan, your first edits are fine. The history I included was largely from a detailed document posted on the LCC website, so a primary source written by the director of Research and Planning, the text of which was posted long before I began to work there. Like you, I was inexperienced and just plunged in.
I appreciate your edits so far, and am glad to see the updates, but we each have COIs because of our work at LCC. The article can still benefit from other editors' contributions, and the Teahouse is the best place to seek that help. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 04:13, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, @Tythetitan, and welcome to the Teahouse. If you work for the college, please do declare your status as a paid editor - this is mandatory, whereas declaring a COI is strongly encouraged.
To both of you, you and @Grand'mere Eugene: the best way for you to suggest changes to the article is to use the Edit request wizard to raise eidt requests on the article's talk page. Be as specific as possible (eg "In para starting... replace ... with ...") and remember to include a source for any information you wish to insert - if possible, a source independent of the College.
Remember that this is an encyclopaedia, not a marketing tool, so information does not become invalid simply because it is no longer current (though sometimes the way it is described needs changing). Remember too that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. In my opinion, the article is full of promotional language.
As for the logo - I see that the College's website has a different logo at the top, but is still using the one in the article further down. If that "60" logo is a temporary one in use only for the year, then I would argue that it should certainly not replace the logo in the Infobox. ColinFine (talk) 21:27, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add a page?

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Hello - How can somebody submit a page for a notable person? My husband has one of the country's worst wrongful convictions in the United States and I'd love to have somebody neutral put information up regarding his wrongful conviction case. We believe he will be exonerated someday. His name is Temujin Kensu and you can google search his name to learn more about this horrible case. Thank you! 65.111.210.82 (talk) 06:21, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Based on my Google search, I consider it almost certain that Temujin Kensu is notable and that Wikipedia ought to have an article about him. Cullen328 (talk) 07:39, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For anyone interested in starting a draft some of these Google hits could easily be used to pass WP:GNG. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:21, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Realistically, you may not get a volunteer. Teahouse Hosts volunteer here to advise, not to be authors or co-authors. David notMD (talk) 20:18, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If your husband is notable enough, he will be talked about. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 05:37, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
IP editor: I have now started to draft an article at Draft:Temujin Kensu. In view of your conflict of interest it would be best if you did not edit it directly (although that's not forbidden while it remains a draft). I would welcome your suggestions for additions and corrections at Draft talk:Temujin Kensu, especially where you can provide additional published sources I can use. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:47, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WIKI:AOPLACES is like saying all Wikipedia articles are unreliable.

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What’s the difference between an AO place article and a Wikipedia article? I used an AO place article in the mystery coke machine of Seattle page and got good faith reverted. Would you get goodfaith reverted if you used a Wikipedia article as source for another article?? Xanzs (talk) 16:28, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Xanzs, you should be reverted, as Wikipedia is not a reliable source, please see WP:RSPWP for the details - Arjayay (talk) 16:32, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
SO YOU ADMIT! I”m not trusting Wikipedia because Wikipedia doesn’t trust.. Wikipedia… wait that’s a paradox Xanzs (talk) 16:40, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Xanzs, no, it is not a paradox. Wikipedia is an exceptionally useful website, but it is a user edited website. Accordingly, any given article is subject to vandalism at any moment and low traffic articles are often very low quality. We are very effective at fighting vandalism but not 100% effective, and plausible vandalism can go undetected for some time. The greatest strength of a well-written Wikipedia article is the list of references to reliable, published sources that verify the content in the article. In many cases, those references also provide more in-depth coverage of the topic. Wikipedia is a success. It is the #7 website in the world with tens of billions of monthly page views. A big part of that success is that we are strict about the reliability of the sources that we cite. Please read Wikipedia:General disclaimer for more information. Cullen328 (talk) 17:25, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
At a practical level, do not cite Wikipedia, but instead cite the references that were used in a Wikipedia article, with the caveat that those should be checked to confirm that the references actually verify the fact statements in the Wikipedia articles, that the references are considered reliable source refs, and so on. David notMD (talk) 20:14, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Reliable sources have a very specific meaning on Wikipedia; specifically as an encyclopedia, our purpose is to summarize reliable sources. That makes it clear that we obviously cannot consider ourselves a RS. If we did, people could create Wikipedia articles citing other Wikipedia articles in a circular fashion. We still strive to be reliable in the colloquial sense, but even our very best articles are always, by definition, a step removed from the actual reliable sources that they summarize. --Aquillion (talk) 04:38, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Isotopes lists download

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Is there a to download these lists ? ( For example : the list in "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotopes_of_sodium" )

I have written a c# application that describes the relations between elements, isotopes, decays, fusions ... etc.(originating from the question "Where the carbon atoms in the cafeine in your coffee come from ?")

When you make normal modifications to these lists, it takes me about 2 weeks to refresh my database for over 3000 isotopes and 5000 decays coming from 118 pages (and subject to typing errors...)

I have tried to download one of these pages but I get one of these mumbo-jumbo network message ( about security and the correction looks like "set the web_client.Tchic_Tchac to Fling_Flang" ... and none of them works... )

Do you have a suggestion ?

Thank you very much Michel Béliveau (talk) 17:49, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Describing a message as a "mumbo-jumbo network message" is not very helpful in determining what your problem is. If you quote the error message exactly it might be more useful. In any case, I can successfully download articles using curl like this:
curl -k https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotopes_of_sodium
CodeTalker (talk) 19:52, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for this fast (and good) answer.
The mumbo-jumbo error message was : "The request was aborted: Could not create SSL/TLS secure channel." I was not using the good approach to download the content of the web page.
>>> However the CURL function does what I need.
Here is want to do In my application :
For each Element ( 118 !!! ) get the "List of Isotopes" for this Element. Then for each Isotope : get its mass, half-life, decay mode(s) and decay product(s). This yields for over 3500 isotopes and over 4500 decays. Refreshing the data took quite a long time.
Analyzing the results of the curl command is not so hard and will eliminate typing mistakes. Even if I need a few days to program the analysis, it will be faster than re-typing the data.
I will take a look at Wikidata.
Thanks again. Michel Béliveau (talk) 23:02, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Without really understanding what you are trying to do, I would suspect that Wikidata was a more useful resource than Wikipedia for your purpose, as it is a database which contains relations between its elements. ColinFine (talk) 21:34, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Michel Béliveau Wouldn't it be easier to download from the original sources, for example NUBASE? Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:48, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Mr. Turnbull.
You are correct. It would be easier to download from the original sources.
I have found (and used) a NUBASE file (namely for nucleus values) . So far, I have found only 1 NUBASE file that I could use ( coming from "The Ame2020 atomic mass evaluation (I)"   by W.J.Huang, M.Wang, F.G.Kondev, G.Audi and S.Naimi -  Chinese Physics C45, 030002, March 2021) .
The purpose of my request to Wikipedia is to avoid re-typing the values. The NUBASE file allowed this.
Do you know other NUBASE files ? Or other sources ? (I also found some data in PeriodicTable.com)
Thanks again for your interest Michel Béliveau (talk) 19:19, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To editor Michel Béliveau: Hello! This kind of question is something you might want to take to the Computing reference desk, where you can get people with computing expertise to assist. --Slowking Man (talk) 20:39, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pending review over 6 months, please help

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Hello Teahouse,

I recently worked on the Draft:Saber Bamatraf, which has been waiting for review for over 6 months. I fully understand that this space isn’t for formal reviews and appreciate the standard waiting procedure. However, I thought I’d give it a shot here to see if anyone might offer insights or advice, as the draft is well-structured and ready for consideration.

Thank you for your time and any guidance! Wikiyem (talk) 18:34, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You have submitted it and it is pending. It was submitted on the 18th, not six months ago. Please be patient, drafts are reviewed in no particular order by volunteers. 331dot (talk) 18:39, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In fact, it was submitted by its creator MuseScot on 18th Dec, (as it had been twice on 23 June, both swiftly declined). One trusts that Wikiyem and MuseScot are not the same person. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.1.223.204 (talk) 19:59, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the clarification! I had mistakenly assumed the review wait time started from the decline date because when I began editing it, I saw it was already awaiting review. My apologies for any confusion caused! Wikiyem (talk) 20:41, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Hello Good Folk of Teahouse!

I wonder if you can help me as a longtime user but complete newcomer to editing Wikipedia. If im completely honest, im finding it all completely baffling...

My question is about creating a page about myself as an artist. My name already appears on Wikipedia in two separate articles by association with other artists and art movements, however clicking on my name as a hyperlink results in a dead page. Is there a way for me to create an article about myself - if it falls within the boundaries of being neutral and only citing reputable websites that reference me and my work?

I gave this a go already in Sandbox thinking that this would be the place to create a first draft and possibly get feedback on what needs to be altered and amended before if would be suitable for publishing, but it was deleted without detailing where I had gone wrong.

Is this possible to do - or is it pointless trying to write an article about yourself?

Many thanks for your time in advance, any help you can give would be much appreciated. AceroneUK (talk) 20:29, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AceroneUK Hello. Please see the autobiography policy. Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell about themselves. Wikipedia articles about artists summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the artist, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable creative professional. We don't want to know what you say about yourself, we want to know what others say about you. That's usually very hard for people to do about themselves. People also naturally write favorably about themselves. It's not forbidden to write about yourself, but it is highly discouraged. Also see that an article about yourself isn't not necessarily desirable. If you truly are notable, someone will eventually write about you; trying to force the issue is rarely successful. 331dot (talk) 20:35, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your time and explanation, I do understand more clearly now. I was careful to only reference news and magazine websites that had previously featured my work but I accept that perhaps this was not impartial enough. I guess I will have to live with my name linking to a dead page until I am notable enough for someone else to sort it for me! AceroneUK (talk) 23:47, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

draft:kuini ready to be submitted

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Please review this draft and submit article if it meets the expectations Sarahalohi (talk) 20:32, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please be patient as drafts will be reviewed by AFC reviewers in a random order. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 20:35, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You need to click the "Submit your draft for review!" button in the box at the top to actually submit it. 331dot (talk) 20:39, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Sarahalohi Your draft was swiftly accepted at Kuini (album), as the topic is clearly wikinotable. However, the reviewer thought it could be improved with further sources, which I assume will mainly be reviews in the reliable music press, as they appear. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:48, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How to merge

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I am taking part in a talk page discussion where consensus seems to be clearly apparent now by all involved editors, but no one on the talk page seems to know how to actually implement a merge. The merge is here, can anyone help, or maybe better yet, direct me or teach me how to do the merge myself? I know how to do a page move, but this is moving content from an existing page and then only leaving a redirect behind. That is more than I have done before, but there is a first time for everything they say! Iljhgtn (talk) 21:35, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Iljhgtn try steps at Wikipedia:Merging#How to merge. Asteramellus (talk) 17:55, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Helping on the Teahouse

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I'd like to learn also how to help on the Teahouse. I have received a ton of helpful support here over the years. What are the prerequisites for being a TH moderator? Iljhgtn (talk) 21:37, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They aren’t mods, just hosts. I think anyone can be one, but take that with a grain of salt. TTYDDoopliss (talk) 21:57, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Iljhgtn: We don't have moderators at the Teahouse; there are only volunteers that contribute their knowledge to people who need it. There aren't any hard prerequisites that I'm aware of (though being autoconfirmed is usually expected), but Teahouse hosts are expected to give useful, correct answers. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:06, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I believe I tried answering some once, and the answers were "useful" and "correct", but I am not a formal Teahouse volunteer. Is there training or some formal process? Iljhgtn (talk) 22:16, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In the absence of a training program, @Iljhgtn, here’s something you might try:
Pick a Teahouse question … read it … then stop and think what you might answer the person who asked it … then go ahead and read the response(s) to see what was similar and different.
— A different sort of training, and kind of fun! Augnablik (talk) 05:37, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting idea. Iljhgtn (talk) 17:01, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello @Iljhgtn. There are no specific requirements to answer questions on the Teahouse. If you know the answer to a question, then you are free to answer as long as you stay kind and patient towards newcomers. Tarlby (t) (c) 22:28, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OK Iljhgtn (talk) 22:44, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, Iljhgtn! Tenryuu's advice is essentially how it works, but if you'd like to read a bit more you can check out Wikipedia:Teahouse/Host start (which does suggest being extended-confirmed) and the host expectations. If you can do those, might as well just go ahead and add yourself as a host :) Happy editing! Perfect4th (talk) 06:07, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Iljhgtn There is no obligation to be on the official list of hosts before you can start regularly answering questions. I have never formally signed up as a host, despite making over 3,000 edits here, since I don't want to feel obliged to respond. My main advice is to read about ten times more than you write and don't rush to answer unless you are sure your reply will be helpful. It doesn't need to be perfect. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:29, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Mike. I believe you are still formally my "mentor" as well, though I never formally ended that because I still wanted the option to be able to call on you for help. Iljhgtn (talk) 17:08, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Locked out of account

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I got locked out of my DooplissTTYD account because I forgot the complex password and didn’t have an email address linked to it. Is there any way that account can be renamed to something else and I change this one to DooplissTTYD? TTYDDoopliss (talk) 21:50, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You would have to request a renaming from the account you want renamed. It can't be requested by in essence a third party(as we have no way to know who is on the other end of the computer). The best you can do is post on your current and previous user pages that you lost access to your old account and have a new one. 331dot (talk) 00:06, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is why the first thing you want to ensure you do right now is verify an e-mail address for your account, so you can restore it: follow this link if you haven't. Step 2: I highly recommend using a password manager to save passwords—as well as generate secure passwords. I suggest trying out Bitwarden.

Now in this particular case, your prior account has only a few edits; this means if you wait a bit, say 6 months, you can request to "usurp" it which will accomplish what you want. (Also, a very good game.) --Slowking Man (talk) 18:06, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I mean that’s what I did. I generated a password using a feature on my phone, and it kept saying the one I had on my phone was incorrect.
and yes I have an email linked to this account now. 6 months is a very long time though… TTYDDoopliss (talk) 19:13, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question about sources

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Hello, I am new to wikipedia and would like a little more information on a problem with an article about the actor Leonard Ceeley that was refused (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Leonard_Ceeley). Something about the sources not beeing reliable enough. This is the translation of an article I did that was accepted in the French Wikipedia but I know submission conditions differ from one wikipedia to another : Basically what I should do is have more sources than the two I mentioned (IMDB and Playbill)? Thanks for your help. Edmond Furax Edmond Furax (talk) 22:40, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Edmond Furax: Welcome to the Teahouse. As you suspect, policies and guidelines differ between different language Wikipedia projects; English Wikipedia (enWP) takes the concept of wikinotability very seriously. IMDb is noted to be full of user-generated content, which makes a source unreliable by enWP standards. I'm not a regular at the reliable sources noticeboard, but I think Playbill would likely be treated as a primary source. You're going to want to find secondary sources that satisfy the golden rule: that they are independent, reliable, and significantly cover the subject. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:19, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe I am worrying too much

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Wasn't there originally a link permitting someone to download the entirety of Wikipedia?

I know you'll think I'm alarmist, but I read the other day that an oligarch named Musk would like to destroy Wikipedia, because, I suppose, ignorance helps people like that get their way.

But I do worry, because if we look back in history, the Great Library of Alexandria was lost at some point, and Wikipedia has to be a treasure on at least the same scale as that.

Thank you for reading and for any insight Progman3K (talk) 23:14, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Progman3K I do recall there being some way and some of my friends have for taking tests (though they use a third-party application). WP:1.0 might be a good starting place to look. ✶Quxyz 23:27, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You might also find WP:DUMP helpful. Schazjmd (talk) 00:19, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia:Database download. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:21, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Elon Musk does not (yet) have the power to destroy Wikipedia, although he has called on his puppet army of X/Twitter followers to stop making financial donations. Frankly, I doubt that many of his devoted followers are donors anyway, since Musk has had a long-standing public grudge against Wikipedia because editors refuse to modify his Wikipedia biography to his liking and continue to record his bizarre eccentricities along with his undisputed success at making himself richer. Musk has been actively trying to tamper with his Wikipedia biography for over five years on flimsy pretexts, and this latest outburst is only a continuation of an ongoing campaign described in this article and many similar ones. Cullen328 (talk) 07:30, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Tesla fan base are highly encouraged to strike and boycott the article on Tesla and unions too 😜 ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 19:34, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why was I erased from my husband’s life?

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My husband is Scott Spock. He is an easily researched multi platinum song writer and music producer. He had a Wikipedia page and half of his life’s work - which is easily verified …was deleted… as well… we were married in 2016 and i have been deleted… who did this? Who cared to do this? Why was this aloud to be done? Please restore his work… i see no name silly people with their accomplishments from middle school unedited here- why should you rob my husband… who built himself entirely on his own, why should you rob him thus? 2600:1700:7240:3230:B021:BE03:6BF4:4444 (talk) 06:39, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. An acceptable Wikipedia article summarizes what published reliable sources say about the topic, Scott Spock in this case, and those reliable sources need to be cited as references in the article. As a matter of policy, we do not permit unreferenced content in biographies of living people and unreferenced content was removed from Scott Spock by an experienced editor in 2022, and those edits were entirely proper. This is not "robbing" him of anything because that very same policy prohibits false negative defamatory content from being added to the article. So, if you have reliable published sources that report your marriage or support any of the other deleted content, post that at Talk:Scott Spock, where no one has ever made a substantive comment. Make a formal Edit request and an uninvolved volunteer will evaluate the matter. Cullen328 (talk) 06:59, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
TLDR, all content relating to biographies must be cited to a reliable source and such content may be removed at any time. If you find a good source, the content can be added back. Tarlby (t) (c) 07:26, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Many articles have a Personal life section where a spouse is named along with year married and number of children (if any, and names not shown), but this information requires a reference. The reason the above suggestion states that you can put text and references at Talk:Scott Spock, for someone else to decided to add or not, is that you have what Wikipedia calls a conflict of interest (WP:COI). David notMD (talk) 12:27, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How do you make green text?

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I've seen this often done to quote someone's statement. Thanks. Isonomia01 (talk) 07:08, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Isonomia01. This is done from the template Talk quote inline. Typing...
{{tq|This}}
Would create...
This
Hope this helped! Tarlby (t) (c) 07:13, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How do u edit an exisitng page

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title 2601:244:5600:4480:5587:BA2F:2B24:7DEB (talk) 07:22, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. If you are editing on PC, you should click "Edit" on the top right of an article to edit it. Tarlby (t) (c) 07:30, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If your use of the word "title" means that you want to change the title of an article, then that can only be done by a registered, autoconfirmed account, and not by an IP editor. If you give us the precise name of the article, and your proposed new name, someone here may be able to help you. We need specificity not vagueness. Cullen328 (talk) 07:35, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Edit" at the top allows editing to the entire article, including the Lead. Within an article, each section title is followed by (edit) which allows that section to be edited. David notMD (talk) 12:30, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Along with what others have noted, just wanted to note that some pages are "protected", and requires certain - read more at Wikipedia:User_access_levels#User_groups. So for those pages where you are not allowed to edit based on access restrictions, you won't see the "Edit" on the top right. Asteramellus (talk) 17:47, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Best way to discuss tags on a new article

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Hi all, I am a fairly new editor and one of my articles (Samantha Mills (author)) just got three tags from another editor. I was wondering the best way to diplomatically discuss the tags, and if someone could clarify the tag about excessive "self-published sources".

For #1: I disagree that the subject is not notable, because she's won several major awards and received a lot of literary press coverage for her recent works. I've also added some more references to hopefully make that clear, but I was wondering how I can discuss/resolve this tag: do I make a new post in the article's Talk page and tag the original person, and/or remove the tag because it's addressed, or do something else?If I start a discussion on the talk page, is there a good procedure to follow, or should we try to bring in other points of view?

For #2: the article uses some references to an author interview for talking about her personal life and process, because I thought it was okay to use the author as a source to talk about herself since her personal life isn't contentious (I was attempting to follow this guideline on subjects talking about themselves). Am I thinking about this/using this incorrectly, or is this tag coming from something else in the article? Thank you for the advice! Hobbitina (talk) 09:49, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rather than disputing whether the tags are warranted, it would be more constructive to address the issues they describe. I haven't checked every one of the sources in the article, but it does sèem short of reliable independent sources with extensive discussion of Wills. Which three of the sources currently cited do most, in your opinion, do most to establish her as notable?   Maproom (talk) 14:42, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
At the very least, you're right re: notability. Hugo and Nebula wins => article. DS (talk) 14:36, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Hobbitina This is a discussion that's ideal to have on the article's Talk Page at Talk:Samantha Mills (author), where I currently see no content either from you or User:Wasell, who added the tag. You will note that this is the suggestion which the tag itself includes. It is perfectly acceptable to copy the points you have made here at the Teahouse into that Talk Page and to WP:PING others who have edited the article. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:37, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you all for the answers! I'm especially grateful for the pointers on talk page etiquette: it's not something I've done before and I was pretty intimidated, plus I did not want to accidentally offend anyone in the way I started a discussion. Hobbitina (talk) 18:37, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

donating - would like to donate

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Hail... Would like to donate 50 quid to the cause but stop at the name and address part. Don't really see the need for full name and address. Just old and not particularly wise. Any suggestions? 81.96.25.61 (talk) 12:28, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi IP editor, the Wikimedia Foundation deals with all donation issues and questions - editors here at the Teahouse don't have any input. Please direct your query to the email address at the bottom of donate.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ways_to_Give qcne (talk) 12:49, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just to elaborate slightly: all editors here give their time entirely voluntarily and gain absolutely no financial benefit from any contributions made to keep the broader Wikipedia projects going. So we have little knowledge of how the donation systems work - despite being grateful for everyone's contributions. The advice above is sound. Nick Moyes (talk) 18:21, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also I'm not certain (not WMF personnel), but I am pretty confident the reason for requiring that info is fraud protection and banking and money laundering laws; it's not something the Foundation has any control over. WMF is a registered 501(c)(3) organization in the US, meaning it has to comply with a bunch of laws and regulations. (For furrin types, this is near-synonymous with "non-profit/charity" in the US, being simply the section of the Internal Revenue Code setting out the criteria said organizations have to meet to get tax exemption.) Note, a way that one can make semi-anonymous donations, is to pass them through what's called a "donor-advised fund" in the US, but this is a bit more involved and requires going through a bank or brokerage that will arrange your transfer. Alternatively, I suppose if one is accepting of the fact there are no guarantees in life one could always send cash to the WMF's front door with no return address and leave its final disposition up to them. --Slowking Man (talk) 18:38, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Qc Terme draft

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I have created a new page about the italian company qc Terme and i would greatly appreciate your help in reviewing it.I need the page to be approved by December 31st. The draft is calledDraft: QC_Terme . I would be grateful for any feedback or suggestions to make the article acceptable for publication. LiucMichela3 (talk) 13:48, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

LiucMichela3 Wikipedia has no deadlines and we frankly aren't concerned with deadlines imposed by third parties. Your instructor has put you in a difficult position, and that's unfair to you. Please show your instructor this message and ask them to review the Wikipedia Education Program so that they can design lessons that don't put students between a rock and a hard place.
There is no way to guarantee a speedy review- that's part of the problem with requiring you to create a Wikipedia article. 331dot (talk) 13:55, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As 331dot has said, this is an unfair position that you have been put in and I am sorry for that. It is also not fair of your professor to depend on the work of AfC volunteers. Drafts are often reviewed at random, and reviewers like myself tend to review articles on topics we are interested in or know well. So a draft being approved before a certain date is partially based on luck, and a poorly designed assessment of skill.
This assignment has been discussed on the education noticeboard. -- NotCharizard 🗨 14:28, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Teahouse Hosts are not necessarily draft reviewers; their function here is to advise. My suggestion, left as a Comment, is that the draft is promotional, and should either be Rejected or Speedy deleted, or minimally, much of the descriptions of the sites and services removed. David notMD (talk) 03:42, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't find the ressource to add books wrote by someone

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Hello ! I'd like to add a book on the article about "David Murphy (CIA)".

This is a book wrote by him not mentionned in the article.
I don't find the ressource explaining how to add the bibliography of someone. Anatole-berthe (talk) 16:17, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Anatole-berthe The standard template to use for book citations is {{cite book}}. It is usual, but not essential, to use its |URL= parameter to link to Google Books for the convenience of our readers. In this case that would be this link, from which you can also find the ISBN and full list of authors. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:27, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, @Anatole-berthe. Why do you want to add that book to that article? Has the book been discussed by independent sources? If not, why is it significant ednough to feature in a Wikipedia article?
More to the point, that article is woefully short of sources, and does not establish that Murphy meets the criteria for notability. ColinFine (talk) 17:42, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The book was wrote by himself as I said.

The ISBN-10 is "0300107803" and the ISBN-13 is "978-0300107807" for the first edition.
The title is "What Stalin Knew: The Enigma of Barbarossa" , it was published by "Yale University Press" in 2005.

The ISBN-10 is "030011981X" and the ISBN-13 is "978-0300119817" for the second edition.
The second edition was published in 2006 by the same publisher.

In this edition , it's mentionned the review of the first edition by "Niall Ferguson" for "New York Time Book Review".
The first edition was also reviewed by "Andrew Nagorski" for "The Weekly Standard".

There are also a review by "Henry Kissinger" but I consider it doesn't count to add this book on Wikipedia.
This person have to be considered as a reviewer among others even if he's notable accorded to criterias.

He didn't wrote the review for a magazine or a journal and therefore the fact "Kissinger" wrote a review should not be taken into account. This is what I think.

The same for the review by "Donald Kagan" for "Yale University" for a particular reason. This person worked for "Yale" and the book was published by "Yale University Press". Therefore , I consider it's like a review by the publisher itself.


Conclusion : I think this book met the criteria n°1 for "Wikipedia:Notability_(books)" to create an article on this book.
I don't want to create an article on the book itself.

The "Threshold standards" is met because "Library of Congress" catalogued this book.
LCCN is "2004065916".

If it is considered as notable to create an article , I consider it is notable enough to mention this book on the article "David Murphy (CIA)". Anatole-berthe (talk) 12:03, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Microsoft Learn Challenge

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https://www.bing.com/search?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.trueplookpanya.com%2Flearning%2Fdetail%2F33888&cc=XL&setlang=en&PC=SWG01&form=L2MT03&scope=web Adeesukmukura.dl (talk) 22:33, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia, @Adeesukmukura.dl? qcne (talk) 22:49, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewing?

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Hi folks. I created an article a little while ago on a, in my view, notable indi-pop band called Dream Note (Indian band), which as far as I'm aware, is still in the New Pages Feed and remains unreviewed. I obviously understand that reviews are random and can take upto weeks or months, and that I can't and shouldn't request/rush reviews. Keeping all that in mind, is there an approximate duration that I could wait before the article got reviewed, or is there a way to speed up the review process without disrupting the system? Would love some insight. Dissoxciate (talk) 00:09, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Dissoxciate. Dream Note (Indian band) was only just created on 25 December. A volunteer might review it tomorrow or in several weeks or several months, there's no way to predict. If it hasn't been reviewed in 90 days, it will be indexed by search engines anyway. Schazjmd (talk) 00:30, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, Dissoxciate. You created the article (very early by UTC) on 26 December, just under 4 days ago. The (of course entirely volunteer) Wikipedia:New pages patrol is, inevitably, understrength and review times are likely to be measured in weeks, rather than days, although if an article is not problematical (i.e. if it's obviously up to standard or obviously not, it is likely to be assessed sooner rather than later). If the NPP don't get round to it, it will automatically become crawlable after 90 days. To me, not an assessor, it looks good, but I haven't tried to investigate the sources. Good luck! 94.1.223.204 (talk) 00:32, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Dissoxciate, I took a look at your article and noticed that the discography isn't the general way that a discography would be formatted on Wikipedia. While your way is acceptable due to MOS:STYLEVAR, some might find it strange and change it. You can view the normal way most musical artist editors create discographies here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Discographies/style#Samples. The {{Track listing}} template is usually for album articles instead of normal artist albums. Thanks, Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 02:09, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you so much @Schazjmd, @94.1.223.204 and @Cowboygilbert for your responses! This has been a huge help. I also admit that I should be a little more considerate and understanding of the review process, given its understrength and the sheer number of outstanding unreviewed articles. Also, thanks @Cowboygilbert for the heads-up regarding the discography formatting! Dissoxciate (talk) 09:22, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How to nominate an article for deletion?

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I would like to ask this question because there is an article that I'd like to nominate for deletion Underdwarf58 (talk) 01:13, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Underdwarf58 see WP:AFDHOWTO for the instructions. If that's too complicated, consider checking out WP:TWINKLE. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talkcontribs) 01:15, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How do I inform WikiProject members regarding the "subst:delsort|<topic>|<signature>" step? Underdwarf58 (talk) 01:37, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you're doing that step manually, go to Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Compact, find relevant sorting lists, transclude the AfD at the bottom of the page, and add the {{subst:delsort|<topic>|<signature>}} template to the AfD when you're done. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talkcontribs) 01:40, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

can you give me a lnk of the Roblox page

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i need Roblox link to sign in 24.192.134.19 (talk) 01:57, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to the Teahouse. Did you have a question about editing or using Wikipedia? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:07, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Tenryuu I think hes trolling. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 02:50, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's my standard reply to anyone who doesn't ask questions about Wikipedia here. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:58, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Does this link help at all? If you have general computing questions that aren't Wikipedia-specific, go to the Computing reference desk. --Slowking Man (talk) 18:46, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Would 3 migrants drowning be worthy news?

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Or could it be clumped into a history of modern migration to Europe? This was the deadliest year for Channel Crossings. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 02:50, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It depends on what kind of migrants they were. What color were they? 99blumpkinscunnt99 (talk) 02:51, 30 December 2024 (UTC)striking out trolling. El Beeblerino if you're not into the whole brevity thing 04:10, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I dont know what to say SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 02:52, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I just need a few people to come to a consesus so I can create the article for it. I have seen a case of mass rape getting on the news, front page so if rape of one person is all that is needed, 3 people dying crossing the channel might just be news worthy. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 02:54, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well with the rapes it also depends on who is doing the raping. Women being raped by migrants doesn’t make the news because it’s inconvenient to the preferred media narrative promoting diversity, and since it doesn’t make the news it can’t be considered notable for a Wikipedia article (which incidentally also aligns with the preferences of most Wikipedia editors and the house point of view). 99blumpkinscunnt99 (talk) 03:02, 30 December 2024 (UTC)striking out trolling. El Beeblerino if you're not into the whole brevity thing 04:10, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @SimpleSubCubicGraph this user is blocked so you don't need to reply. Someone more experienced who can help should be along soon. In the meantime, Wikipedia:Notability is a good starting point for what should be included in articles. Blue Sonnet (talk) 03:52, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Blue Sonnet to me it passes notability and fits all the criteria from my point of view. Does this mean I should create the page or draft it so others can review it? SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 04:23, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The main thing to consider is that We Don't Do News. If you feel it meets WP:NEVENT though then yeah you can create an article. -- D'n'B-📞 -- 04:29, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@SimpleSubCubicGraph: If you feel the subject you want to create an article about meets WP:N, you can either (1) be WP:BOLD and do so or (2) be WP:CAUTIOUS and create a WP:DRAFT for submission to WP:AFC. Please understand though that if you go the bold route, someone else could be just as bold and tag, propose or nominate the article for WP:DELETION at any point if they disagree with your assessment of the subject's Wikipedia notability. On the other hand, if you're cautious, you can submit the draft for review when you think its ready and an AFC reviewer will assess it. The reviewer can accept the draft if they think it meets WP:N or decline the draft if they feel it's not quite there yet. If they decline the draft, the reviewer will most likely provide feedback on what still needs to be done to bring the draft up to article quality. By being bold, you could create an article that's really good (not perfect but good enough to survive a deletion challenge), but you could also create something that gets removed almost as quickly as you added it. By being cautious, you'll be able to work at your own pace and people will leave you be for the most part as long as you don't start violating any major Wikipedia policies or guidelines with your edits to the draft. Generally, newer users are advised to be cautious when creating new articles and create drafts instead because creating a new viable article can be a bit involved. Having a draft improved via AFC doesn't guarantee it will never nominated for deletion, but it usually means that there's a reasonably valid claim of Wikipedia notability so that possibility of the page being quickly nominated for deletion drops quite a bit.
Finally, there's lots of things in the news that might be considered worthy, but Wikipedia isn't intended to be a newspaper and Wikipedia articles aren't intended to be written like newspaper articles. Sometimes it can be a good idea to wait to try to create a Wikipedia article about an event to see whether it receives lasting and significant. Wikipedian's don't get any extra points for being the first to create an article about something. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:57, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Marchjuly After more consideration, I have decided to go back on my previous statement and I think it is not news worthy. Now, how do I delete this thread? SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 05:14, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@SimpleSubCubicGraph: This thread will be automatically archived in a few days if no one comments on it. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:16, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Less for OP, more for general info: sources gathered might be helpful for updating English Channel migrant crossings (2018–present), specifically the "Deaths" subsection. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 18:31, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What article would the term "WP:IDONTLIKEWHOCREATEDIT" fall into? Because in my opinion it could be classified as disruptive editing, but also the same spot as the term "WP:IDONTLIKEIT". This has been the case with the following two issues that happened in the past throughout 2024: [1] [2] GojiraFan1954 (talk) 03:19, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@GojiraFan1954 You've posted the same question on AN, can I ask why you're asking this? It looks like you're asking where a theoretical essay might be categorised? That's a bit difficult to answer if it doesn't exist. Blue Sonnet (talk) 03:46, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I did ask that in AN, but it was straight away closed and that closure told me to try it here.
And the two AfDs you look in the links can define the example of why an essay should be written about WP:IDONTLIKEWHOCREATEDIT GojiraFan1954 (talk) 03:48, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But why do you think it? You have to assume good faith while at AfD and no one is talking about the creator of the article but of the content of the article. If the article lacks notability, it should be deleted or be put in draftspace. If the article is dependent on unreliable sources and original research, same thing as well. Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 03:52, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
When more cases come, then you might understand why it should get its own essay. GojiraFan1954 (talk) 03:53, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, you aren't giving a reason why you think it should be an essay... like what I originally asked by saying: But why do you think it?. If an editor has done their extensive research to see if an article passes the general notability guidelines than why are you not assuming good faith about that editor? Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 03:59, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I only ask this question so that after I've collected enough evidence through this issue, then I could compile them into an essay to show why people shouldn't be doing stuff revolving around this issue on Wikipedia. GojiraFan1954 (talk) 04:02, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I suppose you could write the essay if you really feel strongly about it, but the essay page I linked to explains that they're not official policy and there may be other essays that are more useful. I'm not sure that you're asking about the essay and you're actually referring to the intent of the two editors who linked to the (nonexistent) page. If that's what you mean, then editors should not judge a page purely because of who wrote it, although that may be a warning sign to look into it further. If a page is good enough to stand on its own, it will. This also isn't anything new - Wikipedia has been around for decades, so saying "when more cases come" doesn't exactly make sense. It's not a new problem and it's something they every editor should already be aware of. I'm not sure writing an essay will change that? Have you looked to see whether something similar already exists? Blue Sonnet (talk) 04:05, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have collected some evidence which I will link to you once I've completed compiling it, because my reaction from this editor not liking what I put up thinking it was quote-unquote "decorative", my reaction was this: "Now, he has gone too far.", I'll have to go into defense GojiraFan1954 (talk) 04:08, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Here's the link to the article, now that I've compiled enough data: [3] GojiraFan1954 (talk) 04:18, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I found the page - Wikipedia:ATTP - so it wouldn't be worthwhile creating an essay IMO. If someone creates a link to a page that doesn't exist, I don't think there's much we can do about that. One route might be for it to be added as a shortcut to the already-existing page, but it might not be worth it if only one or two people are using that nonexistent broken link. No comment on the underlying dispute. Blue Sonnet (talk) 04:22, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I took a look at both of the articles that you mentioned, one that you created. The editor who nominated yours had said, "An article for the character Goro Maki has no notability due to no significant coverage from secondary or third-party sources, relies on WP:OR, WP:SYN, and is mostly driven by WP:FAN." but they had also said some unnecessary comments about your editing style. But the content that I put in the quotation is valid for a reason for deletion, they aren't deleting it simply because they don't like you and they did not state that anywhere within the AfD. The editor also apologized below in the AfD comments. Instead of focusing on this essay, why not trying to improve articles that already exist? Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 04:06, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've taken a look and totally agree with @Cowboygilbert. We don't need a page for this essay, the person who nominated the articles offered to help you fix them so that would be the best way forward - I don't see anything about them not liking you as an individual, they were just a little sharp in their original comments and have since apologised. Blue Sonnet (talk) 04:30, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have accepted their apology. But I'm just upset right now that most of the images I uploaded are being vetoed because they think that their past versions are better. GojiraFan1954 (talk) 04:32, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I know that they didn't directly say that they didn't like me or anything related to what you said, I only mentioned the "WP:IDONTLIKEWHOCREATEDIT" as a comment after identifying the writing of the AFD and the way he accused me. GojiraFan1954 (talk) 05:46, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In the AfD you looked at, Pokelego mentions here that can defend me, here is what Pokelego said "I would suggest the nom try and be a bit more respectful, especially since GojiraFan is a relatively new user still learning the ropes.", if you noticed, I am still learning the ropes on Wikipedia, meaning that I'm not perfect, or one of those bots. GojiraFan1954 (talk) 06:14, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Here's the link to the article, now that I've compiled enough data: [6] GojiraFan1954 (talk) 04:20, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So, I am going to plan on writing an essay of WP:IDONTLIKEWHOCREATEDIT, but I can't seem to figure out a good name for it, I was thinking of names that it could fall into
  • Deletion falsification
  • Deletion abuse
  • Deletion misuse
  • Deletion fraud
What are your ideas, opinions and/or suggestions? GojiraFan1954 (talk) 06:18, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My idea/opinion is that you drop the stick, realise that you are not being targeted, and move on with improving the encyclopedia. - The Bushranger One ping only 06:49, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Signature

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Is my signature OK? ℹ️Ⓜ️🅱️ (talk)

My user name is long "Industrial Metal Brain" and my favorite music genre looks weird in conversations about the topics I am currently working on.

Are there any rules about my signature needing to resemble the name that appears in history threads or not resemble other users? How do I see if other users are using a similar nickname in their signature somewhere on here?

Do emojis cause problems?

ℹ️Ⓜ️🅱️ (talk) 04:46, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your signature should display your username so that other editors can read it, not just try to represent it through abstract symbols. Your signature also needs to have a link to your user talk page. Those are the only two rules that I know of regarding signatures but I haven't read the policy page in quite a while. It would be worth your time to review. Liz Read! Talk! 04:49, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've used this signature for years and nobody has ever complained about it. DS (talk) 15:20, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Katy Perry Collections Page

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I think that the Teahouse editors can improve the Katy Perry Collections page. EclipseExpress (talk) 05:28, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @EclipseExpress. The Teahouse is used to ask questions about the functions of Wikipedia. Us volunteers are not obligated to help create an article ourselves. Unless you have any specific question, it is highly unlikely anyone here would choose to help. Tarlby (t) (c) 06:12, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I certainly can, EclipseExpress, but life's too short. Time and energy permitting, I'd remove the promotional ingredients. (A humdrum example: "Katy Perry Collections stands out for its unique approach to footwear design." What's the source? Why, Katy Perry Collections.) However, if I did that, then very little would remain. AfD seems to beckon. -- Hoary (talk) 06:30, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
...AfD meaning WP:Articles for deletion. Shantavira|feed me 10:17, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
True, Shantavira, and therefore AfD would be inapplicable: This isn't an article, and I have trouble imagining it becoming one. And therefore MfD, or just summary deletion. Or of course an extremely radical improvement. -- Hoary (talk) 12:25, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draft:Katy Perry Collections has been submitted via AfC and Declined. The creator has also been asked if there is a conflict of interest (WP:COI). David notMD (talk) 12:47, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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!HELPER .ANYWAYS, AT THIE TIME, THIS PAGE IS HAVING A PROBLEM: Jonathan Livingston Seagull - Wikipedia, ITS PROBLEM IS OCCURING TOWARDS THE END OF THE PAGE AND I HAVE SCREEN SHOTS, IF YOU WANT TO COLLECT? 74.192.173.248 (talk) 07:39, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, calm down. The article Jonathan Livingston Seagull displays fine for me, so could you upload the screenshot or describe the issue? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talkcontribs) 07:49, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
User suggested on the IRC live chat that there was a large amount of antisemitism on the article.
I've suggested they clear their browser cache or WP:PURGE. qcne (talk) 08:00, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There was a large amount of poorly-sourced and potentially antisemitic material removed recently by User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:58, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If there was something antisemitic, it wasn't obvious to me. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:46, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It was vandalism in the navbox template qcne (talk) 12:59, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm guessing this thing. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:53, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

CREATE ACCOUNT FOR ME

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CREATE 2600:1017:B104:6B80:0:49:A290:E01 (talk) 08:08, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(why is everyone typing in all caps today?) IP editor, you can create an account here. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talkcontribs) 08:19, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi IP, you can also read more on the process at Wikipedia:Why create an account?. CMD (talk) 08:20, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adding COI to a previous shared sandbox/draft

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Hi there! My question might be a bit complicated. I published a draft of a sandbox but the content was blocked for commercial reasons, as for the user name I chose. As I have a new user name, I would like to add some changes to the draft and the sandbox previously shared (I published the change erroneously on my talk page), where should I publish them? Should I update my sandbox directly and try to publish a new draft containing all the changes and the COI? Thanks for your help! Andrea Biographer (talk) 09:51, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Andrea Biographer When your account was renamed, the old draft was automatically moved to User:Andrea Biographer/sandbox, where it can be edited as usual, or moved to Draft:Gridspertise (currently a redlink). You have already declared your paid status on your new userpage. I would caution that the current version of the draft reads as overly promotional, with too many references to Gridspertise's website and not enough to show wikinotability. It also has problems like overuse of boldface type. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:49, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Mike! Thanks for your answer, I proposed some changes already to this sandbox, I will apply them now and see if it is a more suitable version to be published. Andrea Biographer (talk) 15:53, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm trying to add the logo of Ster-Kinekor

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Ster-Kinekor Karabo Matabane (talk) 11:00, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Karabo Matabane. Welcome to the Teahouse. Have you read WP:Logos? Does that help? If not please clearly state what problem you are having. Shantavira|feed me 11:20, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Article created bypassing the 'N' tag new page

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How and why this poor girl Cecilia Sala bypassed the standard creation procedure? gtp (talk) 11:45, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Got my answer by myself. Some sort of high levels recommendation... gtp (talk) 11:49, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Specifically because the editor who created it is WP:Autopatrolled but anyone who is WP:Autoconfirmed could have done the same, although their new article would have been subject to scrutiny by the new pages patrol. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:53, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Articles for Creation isn't the "standard procedure" at all. It's really only for brand new accounts. I don't know the exact ratio but I belive only a very small minority of new articles go through that procedure. -- D'n'B-📞 -- 12:02, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps not "very small minority" for AfC. According to Wikipedia statistics the average for English Wikipedia is about 530 new articles per day, with the total approaching seven million.

Good Sources for Articles

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G-Day

I wanted to ask if there is any reliable source for Articles. I cannot afford my personal favourite, The "Britannica" Encyclopedia, since they seem to be rare and expensive. Thank you. (I know this isn't about a specific Article but I need to know this) PizzaFrank (talk) 13:51, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@PizzaFrank there are all sorts of reliable sources, not just Encyclopædia Britannica, and most don't require a purchase of any kind. See Wikipedia:Reliable sources for a detailed overview of RSes here on Wikipedia. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talkcontribs) 13:55, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, I will check that out. PizzaFrank (talk) 14:03, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
PizzaFrank Note that you don't have to personally own the source- it just needs to be publicly accessible, like online, or in a library. 331dot (talk) 14:01, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Understood Thank you for the help. PizzaFrank (talk) 14:04, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
PizzaFrank I have used https://www.britannica.com a few times, and there is no fee to use the online version of Encyclopedia Britannica. Karenthewriter (talk) 18:27, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can I use this picture?

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I don't really understand all the rules about using images. Can I use this one For Fulton County Jail? It says, "no permission is required from the rights-holder(s) for educational uses." Thanks! Ironic (talk) 15:07, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm just not sure if it has the correct creative commons license. Ironic (talk) 15:07, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, because images must allow for reuse by anyone for any purpose with attribution; allowing it for "educational" purposes only means it can't be used for other purposes(like commercial). I don't know if it would be possible to use as a non-free image. 331dot (talk) 15:09, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! I thought maybe that would be the case. Does anyone else know if I can use it as a non-free image? Ironic (talk) 15:33, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Ironic sensibilities I think so but I'll ping @Marchjuly for a second opinion. I'm not sure where we stand when the photo of the "dead" building is not for leadimage. Pity it wasn't from 1928. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:42, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You can use it only if you can convincingly argue that its use meets every one of the non-free content criteria. The critical one, probably is No 8: Contextual significance. Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding. I think you wil have a job arguing that, but others may disagree. ColinFine (talk) 16:43, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah. "Not knowing how the old building looked is detrimental to that understanding." I'm not saying it's convincing. One possibility is to put a link to the photo-page under External links. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:47, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I guess I'll do the external link. I don't think I would be willing to argue that absence of a photo of an old building would be detrimental to readers' understanding since the prison isn't even in that building anymore. I mean it's helpful for historical background, but not clearly necessary. Thanks to everyone who chimed in here. Ironic (talk) 16:53, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How do I supress an IP address.

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I made a few edits over the past week without realizing I wasn't logged in and would like it removed lol. Probably not a big deal either way regardless though. Zgub6 (talk) 16:08, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:OVERSIGHT. 331dot (talk) 16:12, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

numbers in context

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My inquiry is about putting numbers in context and how Wikipedia might contribute to that initiative. In this age of information, we are often overrun with a surplus of data or even just data that is not in context. We are bombarded on a daily basis with numbers having to do with science, global warming, national budget deficits, geography, politics, money, etc.... The media often does not put the numbers it gives us in context of the big picture. For example, our current national deficit is about $36 trillion. What does that mean? It would be useful to have a central site in which one could search on the US deficit and understand what that number is in context of other things. Although I am not an expert in monetary matters, i could see how one would put the number on a per capita basis and compare it to other countries. The number could also be compared to GDP and also compared in that way to other countries. The history of the deficit and how it compares to inflation, or any other appropriate metric, could also be discussed. If I search Wikipedia currently on the topic of the deficit, I will find much of the information suggested above. But I'm suggesting a graphical way of making many comparisons and concentrating on the data and graphs rather than the text in it's current format. In its current form, the site gives quite a bit of verbal information making occasional reference to the graphs. The graphs are very much a second thought and sometimes ever hard to read.

I suggest creating a site in which the data/graphs are given the focus with little verbiage to go with it. The graphs/comparisons could be manipulated by the users for a better view e.g. manipulating axes to zoom in on a span of interest. As with Wikipedia articles, the information used to populate the topics would be provided by users and reviewed. Appropriate references would have to be provided etc...

Alternatively, the information could be entered in a current Wikipedia article in a special section labeled as "data" (or something similar). In that section, the data would become the central focus of the information in question where the user could make easy comparisons and see in-depth context of the numbers and be able to manipulate the view of the graphs in a more interactive manner.

the site data.gov makes a very poor attempt at providing this kind of information. In that site, some of the data is even available in Excel spreadsheet format, which is a good idea. But the search function and comparison capabilities are very poor and left entirely up to the user by accessing various sites to compile the information.

Please let me know if you would be interested in this initiative. I could compile data about a given topic to show in more detail my vision of what the information would look like under my proposal. I would welcome your comments and suggestions.

Sincerely,

Oliver Noisemann (talk) 16:46, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello; this isn't really the best place to propose broad initiatives like this- I would suggest the Village Pump is better suited to that. 331dot (talk) 16:48, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Photograph attribution

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I want to use a portrait of my grandfather taken in 1915 by a company that no longer exists. I can show an attribution in the caption, but there is nobody I can seek permission from. How do I proceed, please? Gangnam Woodford (talk) 16:52, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. It depends on the laws of your country, but a photo taken in 1915 is likely in the public domain. According to https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory/United_States in the US anything published before 1929 is public domain(other than sound recordings), so it would just depend on your own country. 331dot (talk) 16:56, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes BUT (big but!), "publication" in the context of US copyright law has a specifical technical, legal definition. It doesn't mean "creation" or even "giving a copy to a particular person". Hirtle chart. A photograph of a private individual is almost certainly an "unpublished work" under the US copyright meaning of that term, which matters significantly for the length of its copyright term especially if an "older" work. Copyright is a subject that gets quite technical, so if not familiar and experienced with copyright issues, it is best to hesitate to advise others before researching things in detail and double-checking, and if in doubt, direct others to forums like Commons where experts can be found. --Slowking Man (talk) 20:02, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Gangnam Woodford Is this an American picture? If so, you can upload it as public domain, see [4]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:57, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, should have said: UK. Gangnam Woodford (talk) 16:58, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Gangnam Woodford Still good, see this example: File:Archibald Joyce.jpg. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:02, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! Gangnam Woodford (talk) 17:06, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please also see MOS:CREDITS ".... do not credit the image author or copyright holder in the article. .... as long as the appropriate credit is on the image description page." - Arjayay (talk) 17:16, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Gangnam Woodford (talk) 17:29, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To editor Gangnam Woodford: "Congratulations", you've just tripped onto one of the fun little copyright law landmines that are out there (alternately: "job security for lawyers"). Everything on Wikimedia Commons must be public domain in both the US, and origin country. This means you have to care about US copyright law and all its nuances: see Hirtle chart. Unless the picture was like put on display in an art gallery or something, it is an "unpublished" work and therefore still under copyright in the US until 2035! (120 yrs from creation date) Really! Welcome to copyright law!

Here are the practical implications for you in this case: Is this image going to be used in an article? If so, upload it here on enwp (not Commons) by following this link, and tag it {{PD-UK-unknown}}, as well as adding a fair use rationale since it's still under US copyright.
Add it to the article(s), nothing more needed—some bot should automatically transport it over to Commons when it finally lapses into PD-US. However, if you just, say, want to use the image on your user page, I'm afraid you aren't going to be able to for 10 more years. So stick a pin in the calendar for that. --Slowking Man (talk) 19:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

An Article About CK

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Resolved
 – Young person goofing off --Slowking Man (talk) 20:14, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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I was asked by christen kuikoua representation to write an article about him and it was declined saying I didn't correctly reference it. Please if anyone wishes to jump in and help me with Will appreciate it Draft:Christen Kuikoua

Silvernet123 (talk) 18:27, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Silvernet123, I've left some instructions on your talk page about the mandatory paid editing disclosure that is required by Wikimedia's terms of service. Please follow those instructions before making any other edits. -- D'n'B-📞 -- 19:03, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay thank you Silvernet123 (talk) 19:05, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Silvernet123, are you actually being paid to write complete garbage like He is known as one of the most philosophical minds in the 21st century with a record of 200+ Quotations and 89+ Poetry highlighting themes of love, patience, self-worth, discipline, and Christ-like values about an unknown 17 year old? That is the complete opposite of how an encyclopedia article should be written. Would you take a job as a chef if you don't know how to cook? Cullen328 (talk)
Silvernet123 I would add that our incentive to help you is low......if you're being paid to be here, it's up to you to learn our standards and what we're looking for. We're here for free. 331dot (talk) 19:18, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's fair. I appreciate your feedback and will take the time to learn and meet Wikipedia's standards. Thank you for pointing me in the right direction. but still if you can assist I will appreciate Silvernet123 (talk) 19:25, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, @Silvernet123. This is probably not what you want to hear, but: My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. ColinFine (talk) 20:59, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The entire article is written as self-promotion. One of your references is to fan writing on Medium claiming "(Account Not Own By Christen Kuikoua)", but appears to be copy/paste of material written by the subject. Promotional material does not belong in Wikipedia. Trying to create some fake noteriety by sneaking badly ghost-written articles into Wikipedia and elsewhere is unethical. If you wish to fake fame, then low-accountability social meda sites are probably more appropriate. Just Al (talk) 21:15, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yo, I got here ‘cause I’ve been hearing you say I paid or my "representation" paid you to write an article. Like, not trying to be rude, but you gotta chill. I didn’t send you anywhere, and no one representing me sent you either. Bro, if you’re one of my friends messing around, you gotta stop.
I looked at the draft, and while it’s kind of you to try writing something for me, you gotta do it the right way. Don’t go around saying I sent you somewhere—just saying, it’s not a good look. I’d like Wikipedia to delete the draft because I didn’t pay anyone, and I’m not planning on paying anyone either. Christenkofficial (talk) 23:54, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Christenkofficial,
Thank you for reaching out and clarifying your position. First, I want to say that I genuinely admire your work, which is why I was inspired to write about it. However, I now realize that my actions may have caused confusion or unintended trouble for you. I’m really sorry for using your name like that without your knowledge or permission it wasn’t my intention to create any issues.
If you’d like the draft to be deleted, I completely understand and will fully support that. Thank you for bringing this to my attention, and I’ll be more careful moving forward.
Best regards,
Silvernet123 Silvernet123 (talk) 00:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note that the account Christenkofficial has (correctly or not, I'm just reporting) now been blocked as a sockpuppet of Silvernet123, per Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Silvernet123. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.1.223.204 (talk) 03:35, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How to add sources

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I need a simplified tutorial in how to add the number reference and the cite the source. M. Chris Tucker (talk) 19:02, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello M. Chris Tucker (talk · contribs), might I suggest Referencing For Beginners. -- D'n'B-📞 -- 19:06, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @M. Chris Tucker and welcome to Wikipedia! The simplest way to add references is, directly after the sentence or paragraph that your source supports, add <ref>, followed by the text of your reference, followed by </ref>. The software will sort out the numbering for you. Others here should be able to give you more detailed advice, and the guide that D'n'B linked above looks like a great place to learn more. Thanks for your additions to Edward Dickson (Canadian politician)! Best, Wham2001 (talk) 19:07, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2607:FEA8:7D00:95A0:FDD3:6EB9:68D5:D6D7 (talk) 00:38, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks very much! I will follow up on your suggestion and wish you a Happy New Year. M. Chris Tucker (talk) 00:42, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How do I add a "Main Article" to Wikipedia

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I updated our "Cornhusker Council" section under Boy Scouts of America, Nebraska Scouting. and would like to create a main article for our council. how do I do that?

Cornhusker324 (talk) 21:15, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cornhusker324 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. First, please see conflict of interest, as that needs to be formally disclosed. For a standalone article about your specific council, you would need to show with significant coverage in independent reliable sources that your council meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable organization. That coverage can't just be the reporting of its routine activities, but in depth coverage as to what makes your council important/significant/influential. Be aware that writing a new article is the most difficult task to attempt on Wikipedia, and it's even harder with a conflict of interest. Also be aware that an article is not necessarily desirable. 331dot (talk) 21:23, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello @Cornhusker324. I have just reverted your edits in accordance with our conflict of interest policy. Please request specific edits on the article's respective talk page. Thanks. Tarlby (t) (c) 21:25, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And I'm not sure why the council itself would merit a standalone article from the article about scouting in Nebraska. 331dot (talk) 21:31, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Many other Councils already have a standalone article. I would think this would be supported for consistency sake. Cornhusker324 (talk) 21:35, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Cornhusker324, please see WP:42. Some council have articles. Others don't, and maybe they shouldn't. It all depends on the reliable sources that we need to use so that an article can be made. An article on Cornhusker Council won't be made if there are no such sources. Tarlby (t) (c) 21:40, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Noted Cornhusker324 (talk) 21:43, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have changed my user name in hopes of complying with your COI policy. The stand-alone article seems too difficult at this point. Perhaps in the future.
As such, I would simply like to update our section, "Cornhusker Council," in "Scouting in Nebraska." and will attempt that in the 'talk page,' as you suggested. Cornhusker324 (talk) 21:42, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your name change does not show up yet, and regardless of a name change, you still have a COI. I see that you are proposing changes on the Talk page of the article, but much of what you wrote is not referenced. See Help:Referencing for beginners to understand how to insert inline refs. David notMD (talk) 05:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I provided four references which is more than what is currently listed. Those currently used are not authoritative and factually incorrect. 209.92.187.50 (talk) 15:34, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How exactly did you change your username? It should be done via either Special:GlobalRenameRequest or WP:CHUS. You should continue to use your original username until it is changed, at which time you can begin using the new name. 331dot (talk) 15:48, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Never mind, I see it is changed now. 331dot (talk) 15:49, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is not how references are created. Also, you now appear to be editing as an IP address, i.e., not logged into an account versus a name-change. David notMD (talk) 16:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've used two different means to source the information I provided, both of which were recommended by this site and/or a moderator. CCJLJ (talk) 17:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Again, see Help:Referencing for beginners to understand how to insert inline refs. What you posted on the Talk page of the article (below) are not properly formatted references. David notMD (talk) 21:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References supporting change:

  • Salistean, John, "A History of the Cornhusker Council 1940-1975," Houchen Bindery LTD of Utica, Nebraska, 1st ed., 2011.
  • Golden Sun Lodge Website, www.goldensunlodge.org
  • Cornhusker Council Website, www.cornhuskercouncil.org
  • Brown, Elinor L., "History of Lancaster County, Then and Now," ASIN‎ B0006CJTC2, Jan 1971.

Notability and Independence.

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My grandmother, Ethel Margaret Streit Harrison, was the first woman elected as Clerk of the Montana Supreme Court, one of the founders of the Montana Association of Female Executives and one of the original board members of the Holter Museum of Art. There are printed sources that talk about her achievements but according to wikipedia the only thing notable about her was that she was married to John C. Harrison (judge). I understand that, as a relative, there is a potential conflict here, but I think it is important her contributions are documented on something other than microfiche. Any thoughts? / Thank you :) Mehap dwhx (talk) 22:40, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mehap dwhx, none of those three roles that you describe automatically confers Wikipedia-defined "notability" on a person. And the sum of the three doesn't either. But it's possible that she's "notable" all the same. Regardless of your conflict of interest, you're free to create Draft:Ethel Margaret Streit Harrison. If this demonstrates her notability and follows Wikipedia's other policies, it will be promoted to an article (possibly with a slightly different title), whereupon you shouldn't continue to edit it but would be free to make suggestions and requests on its talk page. -- Hoary (talk) 23:12, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To expand an aspect of Hoary's excellent advice above: in Wikipedia, 'Notability' boils down to "is there enough substantial material, published independently of the subject, in multiple Reliable sources, to form the basis of an article about the subject. It doesn't necessarily require that the subject is 'famous', or in one of many possible senses 'important'.
Also, the fact that your grandmother's achievements are not yet in Wikipedia doesn't mean Wikipedia asserts they aren't, or she as a whole isn't, notable; merely that no volunteer editor has yet gathered the necessary sources and added the information (with citations), whether in her husband's article or in a draft for her own. I encourage you to try. Good luck!
While we're here, I notice that John C. Harrison's article is on shaky ground, because it's entirely cited to a single (though reliable) source: we usually prefer a minimum of three, so if you could flesh out that article with further referenced material, it would be a good thing. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.1.223.204 (talk) 03:56, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Add Ethel Margaret Streit Harrison to: John_C._Harrison_(judge)#Personal_life
69.181.17.113 (talk) 04:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
can you find at least 4 WP:RS sources ? 69.181.17.113 (talk) 04:47, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
She's already mentioned in that section as Ethel Harrison, cited to the article's (only) reference. Even to add her middle names would require a further citation to a published reliable source that mentions them (the existing one does not: I've downloaded and searched it). {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.1.223.204 (talk) 06:56, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Being married to JCH can be mentioned in her Personal life section, but does not contribute to establishing her notability. David notMD (talk) 05:34, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Restoring previously unmerged articles

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I would like to create a new article but it once existed back in 2009 and got merged without consensus. Is it okay if I restore the article but with more and better sources from my sandbox later on? Because one user tried to restore a merged article and it got immediately undone because a consensus existed to merge it. I'm not saying that I'll do it right now as it's still unfinished but I need to ask because if I can't then I'll just cancel. Underdwarf58 (talk) 00:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's very little about the original subject 'Cyprus–Jordan relations' in Foreign relations of Cyprus that it was merged into, so I think that if you think you have enough Reliably sourced material (bearing in mind there's also been another 15 years of history) you should go ahead and create a new Draft on the subject, via the normal Wikipedia:Articles for creation process, which can be submitted for assessment. Good luck! {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.1.223.204 (talk) 04:11, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

template

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Hello, I'm need of some assistance with creating a Wikipedia page about a music artist. Can anyone advise which template to use? RATHOMP (talk) 02:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

look at other Wikipedia pages about music artists ... 69.181.17.113 (talk) 04:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, IP user, and welcome to the Teahouse. From your question, I suspect that you are focussing on the layout of your proposed article (I'm guessing that that's what you mean by a "template" - we use the word a bit differently here). But while the layout of an article is important, it is MUCH less important than the quality of the sources used. Until you have found adequate sources to establish that the artist meets Wikipedia's criteria for [[WP:notability|}], it's pointless spending any time thinking about the content or the layout. To use a house-building analogy, you may have an idea for what you want your house to look like, and even a plan; but until you've surveyed the site to make sure it's fit to build on, and checked that your plans meet local building regulations, it would be a waste of effort to start building.
More generally, My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. ColinFine (talk) 10:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is there a specific place you're currently working on the article at? I can't seem to find it on your userpage as a subpage. For advice, I'd recommend looking at other music artist articles (specifically various quality articles from The Beatles [FA] to Sepultura [C-class]) for general outlines on how to write it. For infoboxes, use {{infobox musical artist}} and fill out the template using it's template page at Template:Infobox musical artist. For general advice on writing, see Wikipedia's content policies and guidelines, I'd recommend WP:Nutshell as a starting point.
Thanks, Sparkle and Fade talkedits 08:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

how can I rigth a article in wikipedia

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how can I rigth Daniel Muanga (talk) 03:49, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Article wizard
69.181.17.113 (talk) 04:39, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
New editors are strongly advised to first gain skills by doing time improving existing articles. References required. David notMD (talk) 05:39, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Find a Grave = WP:RS ?

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Is Find a Grave = WP:RS ?

69.181.17.113 (talk) 04:37, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to the Teahouse. Please consult Wikipedia:FINDAGRAVE. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:03, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The answer is "no" because Find a Grave consists of user generated content, and is specifically mentioned in the WP:USERGENERATED section of the reliable sources guideline as a source that should not be used as a reference on Wikipedia. That does not mean that Find a Grave is of no value to Wikipedia editors. You may be able to find nuggets in those listings that will inform your searches about various people. Some but not all Find a Grave listings include references to reliable sources, and those sources may be useful as Wikipedia references. One thing that Find a Grave can teach editors is that many people down through the years share the same name, and we need to be very careful to avoid including biographical details about one Andrew Wilson in an article about another Andrew Wilson. That's just one of countless examples. I have been working on Andrew Stephen Wilson today, so that's why I chose that example.. Cullen328 (talk) 06:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello -- I would like to start helping, but I'm having trouble finding what to do!

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I see lots of support for ultra basics, but I know what the concept is, and how to edit, and how to make italics and hyperlinks, and that I should use a neutral voice, etc. I am trying to find some guidance on WHAT to contribute. I found the Typo Team (or at least, this typo team), but I haven't found guidance on interacting with it. (Do I delete entries if I resolve them? Yesterday I found many entries to check, but today none of the articles seem to HAVE the potential typo that was listed, or even a fixed version). I have found this Growth page, but can't get the features working. For example, it says to enable the Help panel in the Editing tab, but I don't see such a thing in the Editing tab. I also can't find "Display newcomer homepage" in my user preferences. Similar with Suggested Edits -- how can I "use Special:NewcomerTasksInfo"? Etc., etc. I must be missing some key piece of advice -- where can I figure out how to get things rolling? SKM (talk) 05:08, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Skmccormick. As a volunteer project, you're free to do whatever you wanna do best. Want to copyedit a bunch of articles and bring our grammar up to shape? Join the Guild of Copy Editors and go wild. Wanna fight vandalism? Go patrol Special:RecentChanges and stop those dang vandals! Wanna go help out that typo team? Go right ahead. It's your choice. Tarlby (t) (c) 05:26, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Skmccormick
Thank you! These links are helpful. I found "display user homepage" under User Profile. So maybe a silly question, but: how do I find this user homepage? I don't really go to Wikipedia generically, I usually jump straight to an article. Tasks and Requests seem like what I'm looking for. SKM (talk) 01:47, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The link should be right at the top of every page when you're logged in, in the same place/menu as the link to your userpage. -- asilvering (talk) 02:05, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Skmccormick, do you have any particular topics that you'd like to edit about? One way to find a lot of articles that need help is to go through our various maintenance backlogs (Gråbergs Gråa Sång has already linked you to WP:TASKS). Some people are content to plug away at a particular backlog chronologically, but if you prefer to edit on things you're generally interested in, it's helpful to filter these by wikiproject. Alternatively, do you have any particular skills or outside knowledge that might be helpful here? There's always demand for multilingual editors, the copyright folks are always backlogged, etc. -- asilvering (talk) 10:16, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I would prefer to get into the groove with smaller contributions before I start throwing any weight around. Sadly, I cannot offer multilingual help; I am American. I'm mostly having trouble navigating the various pages and internal tools like TASKS or RecentChanges (anything labeled "Special:" is still new to me). SKM (talk) 01:50, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm a fan of Category:Wikipedia introduction cleanup as a newbie task - not small, exactly, but hey, no time like the present to learn to WP:BEBOLD. You don't (or shouldn't) need to do any research to fix these articles - most of them are here because they are tagged with "lead too short". Find one of those, read the article, then rewrite the lead so it summarizes it accurately. Then remove the tag. All this requires is good English literacy, and since the lead is what most people read and what is used in the google knowledge box etc, it's a high-impact change that requires very little wiki-knowledge. -- asilvering (talk) 02:16, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Different images for Light/Dark mode

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Is there any way to tell Wikipedia to display different images / media for Light vs Dark mode users? Due to transparency, some SVG and PNG images have bad contrast when viewed in Dark mode. CrushedAsian255 (talk) 06:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@CrushedAsian255 This question is likely to have a better audience at WP:VPT. That board has a more technically oriented team than here. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 09:26, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wider vs specific consensus

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Can a case-specific consensus triumph a wider topic consensus already established? Not that consensus over wider topic is changed but maybe because that case is viewed from a different perspective. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 07:33, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ExclusiveEditor I doubt it. Were that to be the case we would not have consistency of operation. This question is likely to have a better audience at WP:VPP. That board has a more policy oriented team than here 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 09:28, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, @ExclusiveEditor, and welcome to the Teahouse. While I agree with FiddleFaddle's advice, I would also remark that general questions like yours are very frustrating for people who attempt to answer questions here. If you explain the specific issue you want guidance on, you are much more likely to get a useful answer (and also be less likely to be suspected of wikilawyering).
I am aware of the possible irony in my answer, given your question. ColinFine (talk) 10:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for replying! Being a half-host on Teahouse myself I get you. I was inspired to ask this question by the discussion happening here. The latter part of the discussion specifically focuses on if 'Nobel prize' should be added or not in Jimmy Carter's death blurb on Main page's ITN section. It was initially proposed by the nominator and many supported it (albeit not mentioning specifically the Nobel prize) and it got posted without the mention of the prize. However later there was some more scrambling, this time with more regard to the Nobel prize and so it currently updated to include the prize in the blurb. The opposers are generally arguing that it is editorializing and other things. I may not be very good in summarizing discussions, so I left it in the question. --ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 10:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How to upload a >100 MB file to Wikipedia?

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I've uploaded plenty of files to Commons before, but I've only uploaded a few (non-free) files to WP. I would like to upload a short film that will become public domain in the US at the start of 2025 (won't be PD in its country of origin for a few years, so no uploading it to commons), but the file is over 100 MB, the maximum file size listed on the upload page. I don't want to compress it any more than it already is, so how to I get around this? I've seen several films large than 100 MB on WP already (1, 2), so it must be possible.

Any help with this is greatly appreciated. Thanks. — Toast for Teddy (talk) 07:48, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Toast for Teddy This question is likely to have a better audience at WP:VPT. That board has a more technically oriented team than here 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 09:26, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Toast for Teddy That first file you linked was uploaded with the aid of a userscript discussed at Commons:User talk:Rillke/bigChunkedUpload.js. I don't pretend to understand the details, but you may ;-) Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:27, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Even if you're uploading "locally", Commons:Upload tools is likely helpful. All the projects use the same MediaWiki software, all that needs adjustment is the destination for the upload. --Slowking Man (talk) 20:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Editing a sandbox, references number is doubling

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Hi there! I was editing my sandbox and for some reasons all the different references I am adding are doubling the number of them and the previous ones are not disappeared. I was following your suggestions to add COI edit to my text, eliminating the internal sources and the bold words. Can you help me or it is just a matter of viewing and once I publish the sand box they will all disappear? Andrea Biographer (talk) 09:10, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Andrea Biographer: it seems that with this edit you've duplicated the contents by pasting an earlier edit into the page, thus embedding a copy of the entire page within the page (if that makes sense). You should undo your most recent edits up to and including that one. Or if you'd like me to do it, let me know. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:16, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @DoubleGrazing, thanks for your prompt answer! I think you made sense, could you check and fix this for me? I don't want to commit any further mistakes in the editing process or in the COI different templates, thanks in advance! Andrea Andrea Biographer (talk) 09:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
User:Theroadislong has already sorted this out. Also, your draft is now located at Draft:Gridspertise. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

how to give feedback

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i had a question on why an article was written and sent it to info@ wikipedia. they told me that I needed to engage in the "talk" feature and ask the editors, since wikipedia is only a platform. I did that and not only was the answer not given I was ridiculed, because I am not actually sure why. I am not interested in editing wikipedia, I am only interested in engaging with the editors, to understand inconsistencies. How exactly would I do that, if I should not be using the talk feature. thanks Mommer264 (talk) 12:34, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. Discussion about an article usually takes place on its talk page. Discussion with an editor directly can occur on their user talk page.
Note that your only other edit was about the Israeli-Arab/Palestinian conflict, which is a topic area with special rules that I will notify you of on your user talk page. One of those is that you must be an experienced user in order to make edits to any type of page about it. Your account must be 30 days old with 500 edits. 331dot (talk) 12:53, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also answering your query: :You asked a question that is now at Talk:State of Palestine/Archive 21. Talk pages of articles are not for 'open' questions. Instead, the proper method is to propose a specific change of text, as in replace A with B, and include a reference to support your proposal. Given that State of Palestine is a very controversial article, editors who participate there - at both article and talk - can be short on tact. David notMD (talk) 12:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am not interested in editing wikipedia If you're not interested in contributing to the project, then you probably ought to go elsewhere. The purpose of Wikipedia is to produce an encyclopedia; notably, talk pages are for constructively discussing the project and its content, not general Internet forums for discussion. There are many many discussion forums elsewhere on the Internet, and Wikipedia can even help direct you to some of them. If you do wish to contribute to the encyclopedia, take a look at WP:Welcome. Thank you and I hope you have a good day. --Slowking Man (talk) 21:03, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

VisualEditor

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I've just changed my Preferences > Editing

Turned on "Enable the visual editor" (which, I think, it's on by default in Wikipedia in Italian language)

But i can not find out how to edit with VisualEditor.

I've looked at Help:VisualEditor and it says (Help:VisualEditor#Opening VisualEditor to click on the "Edit" tab (in the picture I can see a "drop down" menu to choose the editor).

But I've not this choice. My tab is named "Edit source". Centrodiurnomilano (talk) 14:47, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've found out, reading Help:VisualEditor#First step: enabling VE (which seems a bit outdated, by the way).
After I've changed my Preferences > Editing > "Enable the visual editor" = ON
and the press "save" button at the bottom.
Only then, a "drop down menu" show up in the same section: "Editing mode", which is setted by default "Remember the last editor". I've changed it to "Show both editor tabs".
It's not easy to find out. Centrodiurnomilano (talk) 15:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
By the way, I've looked at the settings on Wikipedia in Italian language and "Enable the visual editor" it's enough there (there is no "Editing mode" option at all) Centrodiurnomilano (talk) 15:08, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Italian Wikipedia and English Wikipedia run on the same system, MediaWiki, but are two different Wikipedias. So if this is a question about itwiki, then you should go to a help board on itwiki. If this a question about enwiki, you should be able to switch between the source editor and visual editor by pressing the pencil button next to the preview button in the source editor. Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 16:07, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But, @Centrodiurnomilano, do note that you can only use the VisualEditor is some namespaces but not all. You can in mainspace, userspace, draftspace but not in wikispace which is the space with the Wikipedia: prefix. Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 16:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, @Cowboygilbert . I've tried in main space and the in user space. Centrodiurnomilano (talk) 16:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Were you able to fix it using the instructions that I put, you should be able to switch between the source editor and visual editor by pressing the pencil button next to the preview button in the source editor.? Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 16:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"No Such Number tone" / "crybaby tone" (type of intercept error)

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Hello everyone. This is one of my first times writing a brand-new article, and I'm not sure if this is a notable enough topic for its own page or a subsection in the intercept message.

This technically isn't a message, but before the intercept message was used, a different type of tone could also be returned instead of connecting to an operator. This is known under many different names, such as the "no such number tone" or even the "crybaby tone." This tone would be returned if a caller attempts to dial a number that can't possibly exist according to the numbering plan. The call would not be allowed to go through because some of these numbers could be reserved for private use. The tone itself is continuous, sweeping from 200-400Hz back to 200Hz again over the course of one second.

The issue is that it's almost exclusively used in North America, if not, completely exclusively. It was introduced by the Bell System in 1941, but I've also heard of it in use by the 3CX Asterisk system. However, my intent is to preserve information about this tone, as next to no information seems to exist about it. An excerpt from the Bell Labs Record describes it here. It also seems to be exclusive to crossbar systems.

[5] Bell Labs record

[6] Article about this record

[7] Sample of this sound

What do you think of this? ZetaformGames (talk) 19:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @ZetaformGames, welcome to the teahouse and welcome to Wikipedia! I think that this could be a good idea as a subsection in the article for Intercept message or some other related article. I don't think that there is enough for a full article with the sources you've posted but could definitely be an interesting paragraph! Justiyaya 07:12, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Maryam Mirzakhani

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Can someone fix the error in the Maryam Mirzakhani article?

Mirzakhani solved this counting problem by relating it to the problem of computing volumes in moduli space—a space whose points correspond to different complex structures on a surface genus Failed to parse (SVG (MathML can be enabled via browser plugin): Invalid response ("Math extension cannot connect to Restbase.") from server "http://localhost:6011/en.wikipedia.org/v1/":): {\displaystyle g} . In her thesis, Mirzakhani found a volume formula for the moduli space of bordered Riemann surfaces of genus g {\displaystyle g} with n {\displaystyle n} geodesic boundary components. From this formula followed the counting for simple closed geodesics mentioned above, as well as a number of other results. This led her to obtain a new proof for the formula discovered by Edward Witten and Maxim Kontsevich on the intersection numbers of tautological classes on moduli space.

Thanks. 76.14.122.5 (talk) 19:28, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi IP 76.14.122.5. Generally, the best place to discuss something like this is on the talk page for the article in question, which in this case would be Talk:Maryam Mirzakhani; however, if you truly believe there's an error in the article, you can be WP:BOLD and fix it yourself if you think you can. Please understand though that "fix it" in this context means to correct the article in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines, and the policies/guidelines most likely applicable in this case are going to be Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:No original research. Ideally, you're going to need to find WP:SECONDARY reliable sources (as defined by Wikipedia) to cite in support of the change you want to make; even if you know such changes to be true, you're still going to need to cite reliable sources in support to allow others to verify the changes. If you just make a change without providing any citations to a reliable source in support, there's a good chance the change will be undone by another user. Given that this seems to be related to mathematics, you might argue that "proving" the information to be incorrect based on Mirakhani's academic thesis is more than sufficient in and of itself, but Wikipedia generally requires something more and a thesis is going to be, for the most part, considered a WP:PRIMARY source and could have other issues as explained in WP:SCHOLARSHIP. You could also try asking about this at Wikipedia:WikiProject Mathematics since that's where you're going to have a better chance of finding someone sufficiently versed in mathematics who might be able to help sort this out. -- Marchjuly (talk) 19:52, 31 December 2024 (UTC);post edited. -- 22:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please disregard my reply IP 76.14.122.5. I misunderstood what you were asking about. ColinFine's suggestion below seems to be the best course of action here. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, IP user. What you are reporting is a problem in the software, the network, or the user interface, and not in the content of the article. Generally, technical problems of this sort are better handled at WP:VPT than here. However, I'm not seeing that problem, either on the browser on my laptop, or on the Android app. Is it repeatable, or might it have been a temporary glitch?
Actually, now I look at it, the URL above appears to be a local proxy, so it may be that whoever manages your local network has not configured the proxy in a way that Wikipedia requires. Again, WP:VPT is a better place to ask about this.
@Marchjuly. The problem that the IP is reporting is obviously a technical one, so your answer is entirely off the point. ColinFine (talk) 20:21, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for catching my mistake and pointing the OP in the right direction ColinFine. I've stricken my reply so as to not confuse the OP or anyone else. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Stuck on Puerto Rico outages notability.

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Hi, new to Wikipedia here and probably gonna create a draft on the Puerto Rico power outage crisis but wanted to ask: I’m stuck in the notability of this topic, so, is the Puerto Rico power outage crisis notable enough for Wikipedia? By power outage crisis I mean the beginning of the Puerto Rican outages from Hurricane Maria to now since it has lasted multiple years with sustained media coverage when an outage does occur. Cheers! 66.50.50.222 (talk) 20:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rather than a new article, you could expand on the outages already documented in Puerto Rico Electric Power Authority and in LUMA Energy. Schazjmd (talk) 20:44, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A search within Wikipedia on "Puerto Rico power outage" yields a list of several articles, including Puerto Rico Electric Power Authority and in LUMA Energy David notMD (talk) 21:15, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Noted. Will expand those articles then instead. Thanks! 66.50.50.222 (talk) 21:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My first impression would be that an article is likely warranted. PR is an island of ~3 million people, in the same neighborhood as Los Angeles. If Los Angeles were having sustained multi-year-long Issues with electrical service, there would be an article about it. Non-English language sources are perfectly acceptable for citing in articles, as long as a little care is observed.
Note, to the anonymous editor: if you create an account you get your own shiny neato userspace to use mostly at your leisure, where for instance you can work on draft articles with no hurry. I have one underway in mine in fact. And thank you again for being interested in contributing to Wikipedia!
(Regarding LA: some may have had come to mind the California energy crisis, but, neat fact, LA actually escaped impact from that because of having its own municipal utility with its own generation capacity!) --Slowking Man (talk) 01:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note to User:Slowking Man: The userspace is the wrong place to draft an article. Either use your Sandbox or else follow instructions at WP:YFA to create a draft. David notMD (talk) 03:33, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Is "userspace" not the colloquial term for "your user page and any and all subpages of it"? The "official" user sandbox link is Special:MyPage/sandbox, which takes you to the /sandbox subpage of your user page. --Slowking Man (talk) 05:29, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, the IP editor (66.xx) here, just created my account, and I mainly refrained from creating an article due to being worried about a potential conflict-of-interest (I live in Puerto Rico myself). I might work on a draft later today and collect sources (as @BusterD suggested), thank you all btw for helping me clear up this question I’ve had for some time now! Atheions (talk) 04:11, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
On the other hand, User:Slowking Man is correct that an article might be created on this newsworthy subject and that one shouldn't necessarily rely strictly on English-language sources. Looking at the existing material, it certainly seems a sequence of outages could be established from some of the reliable sources already applied to pagespace. I agree with User:David notMD that WP:YFA is a place to consider how to start a new page. I would start collecting sources, online and in print. BusterD (talk) 03:58, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies if jumping the gun or creating a draft too early, but I have created one. Won’t be able to do much progress today but will def collect sources to use. Atheions (talk) 07:32, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Am I allowed to post something about a game I am making on Wikipedia?

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Am i allowed to post somthing about a game i am making? On Wikipedia Aaronfart14 (talk) 22:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Allowed? Yes. Good idea? No. Likely to remain on Wikipedia? No. Writing an article is difficult, particularly for new editors. And since this is about your game, you have a conflict of interest in writing about it. See H:YFA and WP:COI. Simply posting information about your game rather than writing an article would be promotion. See WP:PROMOTION Meters (talk) 22:20, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Aaronfart14, the relevant content guideline is WP:Wikipedia is not for things made up one day. Cullen328 (talk) 02:36, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If your game goes public, and if it becomes so popular that people are publishing about it, then there is a chance that someone other than you will create an article about it. David notMD (talk) 03:37, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Writing about Childhood and Early Life

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I am writing an article about Andrea Sheridan Ordin, who is already included in two existing wikipedia articles entitled, "List of first women lawyers and judges in California" and "United States District Court for the Central District of California." I am interviewing her personally and have reputable sources about her career notability, but I'm not sure how to write her "early life" section, since there are not many sources describing her childhood aside from her firsthand account. How to I write about her early life without secondary sources? Aharten97 (talk) 22:17, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Aharten97: It's not possible without reliable secondary published sources. For the policies, see WP:V. Personal notes from an interview are neither published nor reliable, and self-published statements are rarely reliable. If it's noteworthy it will have been published somewhere. If not then it isn't. -- zzuuzz (talk) 22:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
https://ethics.lacity.gov/news/murray-and-ordin-re-elected-as-ethics-commission-leaders/ provides some info for an Early life and education section. David notMD (talk) 04:24, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What to write on your talk page?

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Above question HELSINKI!233 (talk) 22:32, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi and welcome, @HELSINKI!233. Your talk page is where other editors can leave messages for you or begin conversations with you. You can learn more at the guidelines for user pages. Schazjmd (talk) 22:37, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is not for chat, or your thoughts/opinions about stuff. Also, with a few exceptions, you are allowed to delete content from your Talk page, although some people prefer to archive older content instead. David notMD (talk) 04:19, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Citations about movies

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I'm trying to improve The Lincoln Lawyer (film)

1) Is IMDB considered a good citation for the cast list, producer name, etc?

2) How do I add a citation to an existing infobox? (Visual or Source editor)

Many thanks

Ben (talk) 22:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi and welcome, @Littenberg. Imdb is not considered a reliable source because much of its information is user-generated. You can learn how to add citations at Easier Referencing for Beginners. Schazjmd (talk) 22:39, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you click on Edit at the top menu it allows you to edit the entire article, including the Infobox. David notMD (talk) 04:15, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How do I create a Wikipedia article

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How do I create an article on Wikipedia? Красный Октябрь (talk) 23:12, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Здравствуйте, @Красный Октябрь, and welcome to the Teahouse. My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. ColinFine (talk) 23:33, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you help me learn how to make one? I want to make an article on the Kazan bombing that happened about a 1.5 week ago. Красный Октябрь (talk) 23:50, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Красный Октябрь, please be aware that the Russo-Ukrainian War is a designated contentious topic. You cannot write new content about that war until your account is Extended confirmed, which means the account is over a month old (it is) and has made over 500 constractive edits (you have a long way to go). Cullen328 (talk) 02:56, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Then can someone else make an article about it? Красный Октябрь (talk) 04:08, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Teahouse Hosts are here to advise, but not to be authors or co-authors. David notMD (talk) 04:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Who do I ask about it? Красный Октябрь (talk) 08:59, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Красный Октябрь, if you persist in discussing a designated contentious topic such as the Russo-Ukrainian War before you are extended confirmed, you may be blocked. So, please edit other topic areas until then. Cullen328 (talk) 09:16, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Why are padlocks not automatically added when an article is protected?

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Sorry if this is the wrong place. Heyaaaaalol (talk) 02:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Heyaaaaalol Because an administrator needs to add a protection notice (the padlocks) to a page in order to show the padlock on pages. Sometimes the padlocks do not get placed on a page, especially if it's a user page, unless if the protection notice is placed by an administrator. NicePrettyFlower (talk) 03:35, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Heyaaaaalol, I have done some page protection myself. Usually when I apply protection, I wish to see the "padlock" icon applied. Sometimes when I use the protection script, I forget to click the toggle which leaves the padlock icon. In that case, there's a bot which usually fixes that mistake automatically. If you see a protected page without an icon, you might tell someone. Do our answers help? BusterD (talk) 03:44, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, @Heyaaaaalol. To actually answer your question: because nobody has implemented that function in the software. I don't know whether there is a technical reason for that, or whether it's just that nobody's got round to it. Questions about the software and user interface are better asked at the Village pump: either WP:VPT or WP:VPR ColinFine (talk) 13:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Multiple non-free album covers on one page

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For the album Breakfast with Girls, there's an associated EP located at the section Brunch. The EP has an infobox but is currently without cover artwork, so I'm wondering if it's appropriate for the article to have another non-free image when one is already in use for the album's artwork. If not within free use, Brunch's artwork (seen here) is mostly text on a black background, so would I be allowed to crop out the non-text part and use that as a public domain text logo image in an infobox? Koopastar (talk) 04:50, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Koopastar, I do think that another cover would be within fair use. There's also been instances of this in the past like In Rainbows#In Rainbows Disk 2. Happy editing! Justiyaya 06:59, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

afd

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I really like a certain article, but it's afd, if it is deleted, is there a way to still view it 🐢 (talk) 05:24, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

History checker SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 05:26, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If the article is still "public" currently, you can save a copy for yourself: Download as PDF (maybe see also Help:Export). Otherwise go to: CAT:RESTORE. --Slowking Man (talk) 06:14, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This appears to be about X11 color names, which has been in existance since 2003 and has been edited more than 700 times since then. While it is unlikely that it will be deleted, as noted, you can save a copy to your computer. David notMD (talk) 13:55, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hypothetically, could it be possible to write a netural autobiography?

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Hypothetically, would it be possible for someone on Wikipedia to write a neutral autobiography of themselves? Showing the good and bad and making no favor to either side, providing proof and checking all of the boxes. How would that go and would it be accepted? What if say a Wikipedia administrator that is not really well known becomes for example the president of the US? Can they have oversight over their own article? Are they removed from their position? Can they no longer edit anything involving US politics due to their inherent bias? And finally has there been any real examples of this over the past 20+ years? SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 05:25, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, SimpleSubCubicGraph. Hypothetically, what you describe is possible but the president of the US example is implausible because credible candidates for that office would already be the subject of a Wikipedia article. More plausible would be a longtime editor elected to a state or provincial legislature. I see no reason why that person could not submit an autobiography through Articles for Creation with full disclosure, have the article accepted and continue as an editor or even as an administrator. They should certainly recuse from the current legislative affairs of their state or province but otherwise I would not see a broader problem. As for whether anything like that has ever happened, I do not know. Maybe another editor does. Cullen328 (talk) 06:49, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@SimpleSubCubicGraph welcome to the Teahouse! Interesting questions. I would say that while it is hypothetically possible, guidelines still strongly discourage creations of autobiographies and I haven't seen an instance of it being successful outside of early Wikipedia. This would have to go through articles for creation and the editor should declare their conflict of interest. Subjects do not have oversight of their own article.
I would argue that if someone is elected president of the US they would have a financial relationship with the federal government and should stay away from editing those topics. I think they would have potentially less of a conflict of interest with state governments and historical united states politics. I don't think one would be removed as an administrator because they are elected to a public office here. I don't know of any Wikipedian that has been elected. CongressEdits is probably the closest to an example of this. Justiyaya 06:46, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Succeeding at autobiography is more likely to occur in an area such as WP:NACADEMIC. A senior professor at a university would have as models articles about other professors at their university. David notMD (talk) 14:02, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki page written by subject or friend of subject?

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Hello, I saw a page on Wikipedia that looks like it was, based on the way it's presented, mostly written by the person who is the subject of the page, or a close friend. What is the standard flag or way to raise this on the page's talk page? Thank you for your help. FireBatV (talk) 08:05, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @FireBatV! Welcome to the Teahouse. The standard way is to tag the article with the Template:COI on the main article page. Alternatively, you can use Twinkle to tag it as well. TNM101 (chat) 12:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Editing the Wikipedia page of "The crown"

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i want to edit the Wikipedia page of "the crown" on netflix why i wont add the seventh season of "the crown" if you cant tell the staff at netflix please add aditional information like the royal wedding of prince william and kate Middleton and the queen involvement in the 2012 summer olympics in london england alongside James bond!!! 89.128.137.159 (talk) 14:08, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello IP Editor: there was no 7th season of The Crown, so your additions were inappropriate and were removed. Please don't add fake information to Wikipedia. qcne (talk) 14:18, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]