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== gratuitous bloat ==

The article is largely an ever-growing list of [[Wikipedia:Fancruft|fancruft]], unfounded trivia. At 107K, the resultant bulk vastly outweighs the topic's importance. Rather than including every VD outcropping worldwide, all that stuff deserves to be removed, because either
# if it's at all significant, then BY DEFINITION there is a similar (likely better) list published somewhere else, which ought to be cited in the article and otherwise minimally reproduced here, or
# no such list(s) exist, therefore the information isn't significant enough to deserve inclusion in a Wikipedia article
Choose one. Synthesis remains synthesis, whether a mile-long list is created by one editor or by a hundred.

VD is not really "a holiday" because NOBODY gets job vacation, there are no parades, and government offices continue to function. (I at least get a paid day off for Citizen's Day.) What is celebrated IS NOT a Catholic feast day of any significance, and I'm pretty sure no Pope has sanctioned [[Hallmark Cards]] or [[Fanny Farmer]] as purveyors of official [[indulgence]]s.

Because of all the useless padding, the page is bulky, unwieldy, reader-unfriendly, and likely a bad match with smartphones. Per [[Wikipedia:Too much detail]],
::''…one should consider the significance of his/her additions. Is it something the topic is widely known for? What is its connection to the topic's notability? Any indiscriminate detail should be removed. Readers might lose interest when a portion of an article goes into too much detail on one specific aspect. Other times, readers might question how so much detail on something is important to the topic. '''Wikipedia is not supposed to be a collection of every single fact about a subject.'''
::''When an article or section has too much content and becomes bloated, it is common for other editors to place the {{tl|Overly detailed}} or {{tl|Very long}} tags within an article. In such instances, '''delete details''' that can be reasonably removed.''

Per [[Wikipedia:Article size]]:
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Inarguably, WP articles on holidays and "holidays" are frequent target for [[fanboy]] bloat. Comparisons: [[Christmas]] stands at 164K, [[Halloween]] at 146K, [[Thanksgiving (United States)]] 106K, [[New Year's Day]] 47K, [[Saint Patrick's Day]] 82K, [[Yom Kippur]] 51K, [[Hanukkah]] 95K, [[May Day]] 45K, [[Martin Luther King Jr. Day]] 29K, [[Arbor Day]] 32K, [[Flag Day (United States)]] 19K.

So, ship the trivia elsewhere, or delete it entirely. Knock the article size back below 50K — though I doubt it'll support even 40K.

Rather than simply eliminate the nonsense (beginning with the unsubstantiated claims), I will gladly create [[Saint Valentine's Day around the world]].

There's your discussion.<br>[[User:Weeb Dingle|Weeb Dingle]] ([[User talk:Weeb Dingle|talk]]) 20:53, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
:You may be forgetting that references and lots of other things aren't counted as text when measuring length, so this page is fine. Trivia is fine too, and of course it's a holiday (?) (try getting by Valentines Day in many countries if you're dating or married without considering it a holiday). [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 21:17, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

== Hugs for Soldiers and Conversation Hearts ==

Really? A photo of the candies and no mention in the text?

Also, see [https://www.creators.com/read/dear-annie/01/20/valentines-to-our-troops this].— [[User:Vchimpanzee|<span style="color:#070">Vchimpanzee</span>]]&nbsp;• [[User talk:Vchimpanzee|<span style="color:#F80"> talk</span>]]&nbsp;• [[Special:Contribs/Vchimpanzee|<span style="color:#700">contributions</span>]]&nbsp;• 21:06, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

== Request of Help ==

I was looking for some small help. I created an article [[Valentine's Day in Pakistan]]. While article subject orientation is related to Romance relationships and festival, but in some parts of the world it touches serious issues like violations of women's rights & Human rights
At this stage looking for help in better chronological order within article, and continued copy edit help in times to come.

Thanks in advance.

[[User:Bookku|Bookku]] ([[User talk:Bookku|talk]]) 05:00, 28 January 2020 (UTC)


== Proposing new section 'Antagonism' ==
== Proposing new section 'Antagonism' ==
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== 1. No reference to the use of "valentine" as one's special lover on the holiday / 2. Valentines Day as an alternative colloquial name/spelling? ==

I'm not a regular contributor, so I can't make edits on a semi-protected page.
I was surprised to see almost zero acknowledgement that the word ''valentine'' is popularly used to refer to one's unique or special lover/love interest on the holiday. (It is only indirectly accounted for in a handful of sample excerpts of Valentine's Day poetry or valentines (cards/letters).)
Perhaps a brief note to this effect could be added under the "Celebration and status worldwide" section, where the use of the word ''valentine'' in reference to the Valentine's Day cards is documented.
At the same time (as was my original interest when I discovered this gap), one could mention that an alternative name for "Valentine's Day" is actually/arguably "Valentines Day" (i.e., without the apostrophe) based on indirect/subconscious reanalysis of the holiday name as being the day for "valentines" (i.e. day of lovers on this day officially known as (St.) Valentine's Day) as opposed to the day named after St. Valentine.
:Good points, thanks. Will look at the source you mention, and hopefully others will add too this discussion. [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 12:02, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

== Iranian Valentine's day article proposed move ==

It has been proposed @ [[Talk:Opposition to Valentine's day in Iran#Requested move 8 February 2021]] page that [[Opposition to Valentine's day in Iran]] be renamed and moved to [[Valentine's day in Iran]]. Requesting all wikipedians interested in the topic to share their opinions @ [[Talk:Opposition to Valentine's day in Iran#Requested move 8 February 2021]].


Thanks and regards

[[User:Bookku|Bookku]] ([[User talk:Bookku|talk]]) 11:07, 8 February 2021 (UTC)


== Formatting correction in Notes ==
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<pre>The holiday was first introduced in Spain in a 1948 ad campaign by the department store chain [[Galerías Preciados]]<ref name="abc_es" /> and had become widespread by the 1970s.<ref name="abc_es">{{Cite web|date=2014-02-13|title=Y San Valentín llegó a España de mano de Galerías Preciados|url=https://www.abc.es/historia/20140214/abci-valentin-llego-espana-201401281300.html|access-date=2022-02-14|website=[[ABC (newspaper)|ABC]]|language=es}}</ref></pre> [[Special:Contributions/194.105.229.202|194.105.229.202]] ([[User talk:194.105.229.202|talk]]) 11:43, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
<pre>The holiday was first introduced in Spain in a 1948 ad campaign by the department store chain [[Galerías Preciados]]<ref name="abc_es" /> and had become widespread by the 1970s.<ref name="abc_es">{{Cite web|date=2014-02-13|title=Y San Valentín llegó a España de mano de Galerías Preciados|url=https://www.abc.es/historia/20140214/abci-valentin-llego-espana-201401281300.html|access-date=2022-02-14|website=[[ABC (newspaper)|ABC]]|language=es}}</ref></pre> [[Special:Contributions/194.105.229.202|194.105.229.202]] ([[User talk:194.105.229.202|talk]]) 11:43, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
:{{Done}}. [[User:Heartmusic678|Heartmusic678]] ([[User talk:Heartmusic678|talk]]) 13:54, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
:{{Done}}. [[User:Heartmusic678|Heartmusic678]] ([[User talk:Heartmusic678|talk]]) 13:54, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

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== Semi-protected edit request on 5 January 2023 ==

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In the "Japan" section, there is a note about "ultra-obligatory" (''chō-giri choko'') chocolate, but there's no Japanese text as there is with the other terms. Please add the Japanese text 超義理チョコ inside the (''chō-giri choko'') brackets to make it say (超義理チョコ ''chō-giri choko'') (超 being the kanji for ''chō'', meaning ''ultra-'' or ''super-'' as per Jisho: https://jisho.org/search/%E8%B6%85) [[User:DenebDeNoob|DenebDeNoob]] ([[User talk:DenebDeNoob|talk]]) 20:43, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
:{{done}}<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:Lightoil|Lightoil]] ([[User talk:Lightoil|talk]]) 08:29, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

== Semi-protected edit request on 11 January 2023 ==

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change "with total expenditures in 2017 topping $18.2 billion in 2017, or over $136 per person. to with total expenditures in 2022 topping $23.9 billion, or over $175 per person.<ref>https://www.onlineproducts.com/blogs/tips/valentines-day-spending-a-closer-look-at-our-shopping-habits</ref>" [[User:Efkosa1|Efkosa1]] ([[User talk:Efkosa1|talk]]) 16:23, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' please provide [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources]] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> The blog of a sales site is not a reliable source. [[User:ScottishFinnishRadish|ScottishFinnishRadish]] ([[User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish|talk]]) 16:05, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

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== Text about Scandinavia is wrong ==

In Denmark Valentines Day is a 100% commercial event. More than four out of ten Danes think that Valentine's Day is overrated and a thoroughly ridiculous tradition. "The Danes think it's American nonsense. It's a tradition that has no roots in the Danish people," according to https://livsstil.tv2.dk/sundhed/2011-02-11-vi-faar-roede-knopper-af-valentinsdag. [[Special:Contributions/80.208.69.151|80.208.69.151]] ([[User talk:80.208.69.151|talk]]) 09:24, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

== Lutheran Valentines ==

The lutheran chuch does not have a feast on Valentine's Day. Like other nordic countrys Finland also has a totally comercial Valentines day, it has nothing to do with the church. [[Special:Contributions/2001:14BA:10C6:F000:4409:3DFC:3F40:CE5D|2001:14BA:10C6:F000:4409:3DFC:3F40:CE5D]] ([[User talk:2001:14BA:10C6:F000:4409:3DFC:3F40:CE5D|talk]]) 10:52, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

== Semi-protected edit request on 18 January 2024 ==

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The earliest possible origin story of Valentine's Day is the pagan holiday Lupercalia (and not the Christian holiday as this article incorrectly states). Occurring for centuries in the middle of February, the holiday celebrates fertility. Men would strip naked and sacrifice a goat and dog. [[Special:Contributions/2601:1C2:1A00:2250:357A:3470:7780:671E|2601:1C2:1A00:2250:357A:3470:7780:671E]] ([[User talk:2601:1C2:1A00:2250:357A:3470:7780:671E|talk]]) 20:58, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' please provide [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources]] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:Shadow311|Shadow311]] ([[User talk:Shadow311|talk]]) 22:08, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

== Why is Valentine's day celebrated ? ==

Why is Valentine's day celebrated ? [[Special:Contributions/195.158.8.181|195.158.8.181]] ([[User talk:195.158.8.181|talk]]) 08:38, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

== Semi-protected edit request on 6 December 2024 ==

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under "Restrictions on Valentine's Day in some countries" the following line should be deleted: "One of the reasons for Valentine's Day acceptance since the 2000s by the general population is the change in relations between the sexes, and because sexual relationships are no longer strictly limited to be within marriage."

After reading the article cited [[here|https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valentine%27s_Day#cite_note-197]], the article cited conjectures extramarital sexual relations as a possible contributor for the rising popularity of Valentine's Day in Iran, but provides no evidence to support their argument. This line is taken out of context, and misquoted, and stated as fact rather than conjecture. [[User:Sonoch|Sonoch]] ([[User talk:Sonoch|talk]]) 19:26, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

:Apologies, I coded the link improperly! [[Valentine's Day#cite note-197|Valentine's Day#cite note-197]] is what I was going for. [[User:Sonoch|Sonoch]] ([[User talk:Sonoch|talk]]) 19:28, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
::{{Not done}}: please provide [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources]] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> There is no cite note 197 on this page and there wasn't when you made this request. I can't make this edit without also reading the source. [[User:Ultraodan|Ultraodan]] ([[User talk:Ultraodan|talk]]) 13:55, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
:::sorry, 193! it's linked. i used an online translator. [[Special:Contributions/156.47.34.28|156.47.34.28]] ([[User talk:156.47.34.28|talk]]) 21:54, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
::::even though it says 193, in the url on wikipedia it says "cite_note-197" - not sure why the numbers are different for us. [[Special:Contributions/156.47.34.28|156.47.34.28]] ([[User talk:156.47.34.28|talk]]) 21:55, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 21:55, 26 December 2024

Proposing new section 'Antagonism'

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Time to time various some global pockets in countries like Russia, countries in south Asia, and many Islamic countries mild to serious level of Antagonism against celebration of Valentine's day is observed on Socio-religio-cultural-political garb. For many of conservatives freedom of expression and choice specially of women remains to be serious concern.

instances of hate attacks and restrictions

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In conflict ridden Yemen, on eve of Valentine's day, war lord Huthi assailants attacked and beat young men any many restrictions on women for attempting to celebrate the Valentine's day.[1]

References

Formatting correction in Notes

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Note 1 has a full bibliographic citation written out in the text rather than using an inline. This is easily fixable in the Markup (I'd do it myself but I'm not auto-confirmed yet) Chrishillflute (talk) 11:53, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. Bestagon18:35, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 16 February 2021

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I wish to change the name of this holiday's wikipage to 'Saint Valentine's Day' because that is supposed to be the proper name of the holiday. 'Valentine's Day' should be the nickname. 173.238.231.208 (talk) 19:15, 16 February 2021 (UTC)Nisarg Mistry[reply]

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 13:03, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. Valentine's Day is used so commonly that it has become more or less the "correct" name for the holiday. AidTheWiki (talk) 22:31, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Non-Religious Saint Day?

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Saint Valentine's Day, is, as you may have guessed, a saint's day. All Saints' Days have been Christian holidays for a very long time. However, recently it has become more of a non-religious holiday, (a few examples of non-religious holidays are Halloween, Veterans' Day, and New Year's Day) and more like a day for people to express their love for one another. In my opinion, it is now debatable as to if it is actually a "Saint's Day.' Let me know your opinions, AidTheWiki (talk) 22:43, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This whole article was copied from Valentine's Day without giving any attributions. Anywasy, i see no good reason to split from Valentine's Day (just to add "Muslim world" in the title?). This should be merge. আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 16:09, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No, because there many articles in Wikipedia with this or related topic. For example- Valentine's Day in Pakistan, Valentine's Day in Iran, Valentine's Day in India etc. Wiki N Islam (talk) 13:35, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. The only unique content from this article which was not copied from the main Valentine's Day article is the section on views and a copywriting of the lead. If content was entirely unique, there would be a better case for keeping the articles split, however, the amount of unique content on this page can very easily be merged into Valentine's Day or any other related articles. Babegriev (talk) 20:28, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 14 February 2022

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In the section "Spain", please add the following sentence:

The holiday was first introduced in Spain in a 1948 ad campaign by the department store chain [[Galerías Preciados]]<ref name="abc_es" /> and had become widespread by the 1970s.<ref name="abc_es">{{Cite web|date=2014-02-13|title=Y San Valentín llegó a España de mano de Galerías Preciados|url=https://www.abc.es/historia/20140214/abci-valentin-llego-espana-201401281300.html|access-date=2022-02-14|website=[[ABC (newspaper)|ABC]]|language=es}}</ref>

194.105.229.202 (talk) 11:43, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. Heartmusic678 (talk) 13:54, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Semi-protected edit request on 5 January 2023

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In the "Japan" section, there is a note about "ultra-obligatory" (chō-giri choko) chocolate, but there's no Japanese text as there is with the other terms. Please add the Japanese text 超義理チョコ inside the (chō-giri choko) brackets to make it say (超義理チョコ chō-giri choko) (超 being the kanji for chō, meaning ultra- or super- as per Jisho: https://jisho.org/search/%E8%B6%85) DenebDeNoob (talk) 20:43, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Lightoil (talk) 08:29, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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change "with total expenditures in 2017 topping $18.2 billion in 2017, or over $136 per person. to with total expenditures in 2022 topping $23.9 billion, or over $175 per person.[1]" Efkosa1 (talk) 16:23, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The blog of a sales site is not a reliable source. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:05, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Text about Scandinavia is wrong

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In Denmark Valentines Day is a 100% commercial event. More than four out of ten Danes think that Valentine's Day is overrated and a thoroughly ridiculous tradition. "The Danes think it's American nonsense. It's a tradition that has no roots in the Danish people," according to https://livsstil.tv2.dk/sundhed/2011-02-11-vi-faar-roede-knopper-af-valentinsdag. 80.208.69.151 (talk) 09:24, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lutheran Valentines

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The lutheran chuch does not have a feast on Valentine's Day. Like other nordic countrys Finland also has a totally comercial Valentines day, it has nothing to do with the church. 2001:14BA:10C6:F000:4409:3DFC:3F40:CE5D (talk) 10:52, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 18 January 2024

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The earliest possible origin story of Valentine's Day is the pagan holiday Lupercalia (and not the Christian holiday as this article incorrectly states). Occurring for centuries in the middle of February, the holiday celebrates fertility. Men would strip naked and sacrifice a goat and dog. 2601:1C2:1A00:2250:357A:3470:7780:671E (talk) 20:58, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Shadow311 (talk) 22:08, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why is Valentine's day celebrated ?

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Why is Valentine's day celebrated ? 195.158.8.181 (talk) 08:38, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 6 December 2024

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under "Restrictions on Valentine's Day in some countries" the following line should be deleted: "One of the reasons for Valentine's Day acceptance since the 2000s by the general population is the change in relations between the sexes, and because sexual relationships are no longer strictly limited to be within marriage."

After reading the article cited https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valentine%27s_Day#cite_note-197, the article cited conjectures extramarital sexual relations as a possible contributor for the rising popularity of Valentine's Day in Iran, but provides no evidence to support their argument. This line is taken out of context, and misquoted, and stated as fact rather than conjecture. Sonoch (talk) 19:26, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies, I coded the link improperly! Valentine's Day#cite note-197 is what I was going for. Sonoch (talk) 19:28, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. There is no cite note 197 on this page and there wasn't when you made this request. I can't make this edit without also reading the source. Ultraodan (talk) 13:55, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
sorry, 193! it's linked. i used an online translator. 156.47.34.28 (talk) 21:54, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
even though it says 193, in the url on wikipedia it says "cite_note-197" - not sure why the numbers are different for us. 156.47.34.28 (talk) 21:55, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]