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== Technical question about the long hyphen ==
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== Link A Sanbox Article and give citation ==


I've been editing the timeline of Polermo where the long hyphen dominates, but I can't seem to generate one.Typing a regular hyphen, gives me just that - a regular hyphen, typing two hyphens gives me two hyphens (--) and trying to make one through the keboard shortcut which I found on internet forums (Alt+0151), just gives me one that's too long (—). So far I've been copying and pasting existing long hyphens which is kind of annoying, does anyone have any better solutions?
Hello Team,


Thanks! [[User:Moonshane1933|Moonshane1933]] ([[User talk:Moonshane1933|talk]]) 14:38, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
I am currently building a page for an Indian Freedom Fighter and a Parliamentarian who was a public figure and made significant contribution to Indian History. I find his mentions on the Wikipedia pages, but his wiki page is not existing. I am working with his next generation to build this Wiki page and link it to the existing pages wherever his name is mentioned.


:Hello, @[[User:Moonshane1933|Moonshane1933]]. I think you're talking about an em-dash. See [[MOS:EMDASH]] [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 14:52, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
Could you please help me how to do it?
::Yes! That's what I meant! Thank you! [[User:Moonshane1933|Moonshane1933]] ([[User talk:Moonshane1933|talk]]) 15:15, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
:I don't think you could find a better character in '''"unicode table"'''.
:This "[[List of Unicode characters|article]]" is listing the most common characters. <br /> <br />
:There are also the "[[Unicode block]]" entry on Wikipedia that can be maybe helpful. [[User:Anatole-berthe|Anatole-berthe]] ([[User talk:Anatole-berthe|talk]]) 14:54, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
::Excellent. Thank you too! [[User:Moonshane1933|Moonshane1933]] ([[User talk:Moonshane1933|talk]]) 15:16, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
:::I don't think ressources I shared with you will help you but I hope it will. [[User:Anatole-berthe|Anatole-berthe]] ([[User talk:Anatole-berthe|talk]]) 15:45, 22 December 2024 (UTC)


:Ignoring the [[Minus sign]], there are three 'horizontal line' characters most commonly used in text, the hyphen, the [[N-dash]] and the [[M-dash]]. There are various ways to insert the latter two; usually I do so with [alt]+0150 and [alt]+0151. Despite being a former professional book editor, I have not previously encountered a "long hyphen" (a term not found anywhere in Wikipedia). Note that the lengths of all these characters may look different in different typefaces: I suspect your "long hyphen" is an N-dash. [Apologies for semi-overlap with answers above.] {The poster formerly known as 897.81.230.195} [[Special:Contributions/94.1.223.204|94.1.223.204]] ([[User talk:94.1.223.204|talk]]) 17:00, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
Should i wait for my article to be reviewed and then add the citations?
::@[[User:Moonshane1933|Moonshane1933]] If you use the source editor, which you can do even if you mainly edit with the visual editor, you'll find that the N-dash and M-dash appear at the foot of the editing window, where you can click on them to insert them into text. Other useful tags like <nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki> are also available with a single click. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 14:11, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:::OOOOOOOHHHH... THANK YOU! That makes life easier! I hadn't even thought of looking at the source editor, because it always looks headache inducing to me. I'll give it a try. Thank you so much. [[User:Moonshane1933|Moonshane1933]] ([[User talk:Moonshane1933|talk]]) 13:07, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
::Yes, well, the "long hyphen" is a term that I coined, simply because I lacked the knowledge of its correct name, So I would have been very surprised if it had appeared in Wikipedia. Anyway, thank you, oh mysterious IP poster, I hope our paths cross again! [[User:Moonshane1933|Moonshane1933]] ([[User talk:Moonshane1933|talk]]) 13:03, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Moonshane1933|Moonshane1933]], some Christmas goodies for you:
:::— [https://www.merriam-webster.com/grammar/em-dash-en-dash-how-to-use Merriam-Webster Dictionary] has a nice clear explanation about the both kinds of dashes and the hyphen, with good examples.
:::— The way the two kindts of dashes is written is '''em-dash''' (for '''—)''' and '''en-dash''' ( for '''– )''', even though we pronounce the terms "''M dash''" and "''N dash''."
:::— Why these terns? Because the em-dash is exactly the width of capital ''M'' and the en-dash is exactly the width of capital ''N.''
:::— If you have a Macintosh, there's a real simple way to make the dashes: the '''em-dash''' by pressing Control Option Hyphen at the same time, and the '''en-dash''' by pressing Option Hyphen at the same time.
:::—Did you notice how [[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] creatively renamed Dasher, one of Santa Claus's eight reindeer, in his "Seasonal Greetings from all at the Teahouse" post to fellow editors below?
:::—You may be pleased to know that I found [https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=long+hyphen&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 an online reference to a "long hyphen."] So, then, you weren't completely alone in doing that. But as [[Special:Contributions/94.1.223.204|94.1.223.204]] commented above, in professional editing we just don't use it. Like [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]], )I think anyone who ''did'' say "long hyphen''"'' would probably be thinking of the em-dash; though I also think what [[Special:Contributions/94.1.223.204|94.1.223.204]] said above is also technically correct, that the term would have to refer to the en-dash (that's the next size up for a hyphen, after all). [[User:Augnablik|Augnablik]] ([[User talk:Augnablik|talk]]) 06:08, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Augnablik|Augnablik]], What a great reply! I thoroughly enjoyed every bit of it! And I learned a lot (not to detract from the other contributors, each of whom taught me something new - thanks, everybody) - a special thank you for the meanings of the em-dash and en-dash (I love that type of thing), and for drawing my attention to Nick Moyes' "Seasonal Greetings", and of course for finding me an ally in calling the en-dash a "Long hyphen" (don't worry, now that I know the correct terminology I will use it and hopefully amaze my friends...). Thank you again and Merry Christmas! [[User:Moonshane1933|Moonshane1933]] ([[User talk:Moonshane1933|talk]]) 12:58, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Augnablik|Augnablik]] Not to be a naysayer, but I think the bit about em dashes being named for being 'M' width is a false etymology. I too would have loved if it were true, but I think it's actually based on the [[em (typography)|em]] unit as described in [[Dash#Em dash]]. &thinsp;—&thinsp;[[User:Kilvin the Futz-y Enterovirus|Kilvin the Futz-y Enterovirus]] ([[User talk:Kilvin the Futz-y Enterovirus|talk]]) 10:23, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Well, @Kilvin the Futz-y Enterovirus, not to be a counter-naysayer (!) but there are many online sites with support for the width of the em-dash equal to M and of the en-dash equal to N. [https://www.grammarly.com/blog/punctuation-capitalization/dash/ Here’s just one, offered by Grammarly]. (Scroll down to ''What Is an En-Dash?'' and ''What Is an Em-Dash?'') [[User:Augnablik|Augnablik]] ([[User talk:Augnablik|talk]]) 12:06, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::Hm... not to be a counter-{{hairspace}}''counter''-{{hairspace}}naysayer I mean I don't really think {{'}}''many online sites''{{'}} and Grammarly (unsourced, could just be mirroring untrustworthy sources) are [[WP:RS]]. But you're right; my searches show similar results and don't really yield great answers to this matter (ideally there'd be a page like "Many people say that an em dash is named for X, but actually it is Y, and this misconception came from Z" linking to many reliable sources). I guess my personal bias is towards the people going "false etymology!" that acknowledge both X and Y rather than one group who simply assert the "fun" explanation with seemingly no awareness of the other explanation. I mean, as linked previously, the [[em (typography)|em]] and [[en (typography)|en]] are typographical units whose pages describe their origins, even addressing [[Em (typography)#Obsolete alternative definition]]. &thinsp;—&thinsp;[[User:Kilvin the Futz-y Enterovirus|Kilvin the Futz-y Enterovirus]] ([[User talk:Kilvin the Futz-y Enterovirus|talk]]) 22:53, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::Oooh, @[[User:Kilvin the Futz-y Enterovirus|Kilvin the Futz-y Enterovirus]], you’re acknowledging “personal bias” towards “false etymology?” That requires a declaration of COI! 🙂 [[User:Augnablik|Augnablik]] ([[User talk:Augnablik|talk]]) 18:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Aha! I found something! In the Historical thesaurus on the [https://www.oed.com/dictionary/em-dash_n?tab=meaning_and_use#1428570550100 OED] site. And I quote:
::::::::"'''[https://www.oed.com/dictionary/em-dash_n?tab=meaning_and_use#1428570550 em dash]1836-''' A long dash ''—'', originally and usually the width of one em (see ''em'', ''n.'')." [[User:Moonshane1933|Moonshane1933]] ([[User talk:Moonshane1933|talk]]) 13:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)


== Add a page? ==
TIA


Hello - How can somebody submit a page for a notable person? My husband has one of the country's worst wrongful convictions in the United States and I'd love to have somebody neutral put information up regarding his wrongful conviction case. We believe he will be exonerated someday. His name is Temujin Kensu and you can google search his name to learn more about this horrible case. Thank you! [[Special:Contributions/65.111.210.82|65.111.210.82]] ([[User talk:65.111.210.82|talk]]) 06:21, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
Prashanthi Kolluru. [[User:Kolluru81|Kolluru81]] ([[User talk:Kolluru81|talk]]) 07:41, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
:Based on my Google search, I consider it almost certain that Temujin Kensu is notable and that Wikipedia ought to have an article about him. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 07:39, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
::For anyone interested in starting a draft [https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=007734830908295939403:galkqgoksq0#gsc.tab=0&gsc.q=Temujin%20Kensu some of these Google hits] could easily be used to pass [[WP:GNG]]. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 12:21, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Realistically, you may not get a volunteer. Teahouse Hosts volunteer here to advise, not to be authors or co-authors. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 20:18, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
:If your husband is [[Wikipedia:Notability|notable]] enough, he will be talked about. [[User:SimpleSubCubicGraph|SimpleSubCubicGraph]] ([[User talk:SimpleSubCubicGraph|talk]]) 05:37, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:IP editor: I have now started to draft an article at [[Draft:Temujin Kensu]]. In view of your [[WP:PSCOI|conflict of interest]] it would be best if you did not edit it directly (although that's not forbidden while it remains a draft). I would welcome your suggestions for additions and corrections at [[Draft talk:Temujin Kensu]], especially where you can provide additional published sources I can use. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 12:47, 1 January 2025 (UTC)


== Isotopes lists download ==
:[[User:Kolluru81|Kolluru81]], are you saying that you're working with a descendant or heir of this person? -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 08:16, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
::Do not submit for review until you have all the citation included and properly formatted. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 08:27, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
::{{ec}} {{u|Kolluru81}}, you should start by assembling the sources you plan to use. If these include several reliable independent sources with extensive discussion of him, you should go ahead and write a draft, basing it on the sources and citing them as you go. If you submit an article for review without using any sources, it will certainly be declined. And you should answer Hoary's question above. [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] ([[User talk:Maproom|talk]]) 08:29, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
:::For the curious, the draft is at [[User:Kolluru81/sandbox]]. A Wikipedia article cannot be used as a reference. I see you have included a photo identified as being taken in 1951 as your "own work" For Wikipedia, use of that term means that you are indicating that you took this photo yourself. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 08:35, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
::::Thank You for reviewing. Can i change the identification? It was published in a Newspaper of 1950s. Can i edit it to the newspaper name? [[User:Kolluru81|Kolluru81]] ([[User talk:Kolluru81|talk]]) 08:45, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
::::I wish the term "own work" instead said "I took the picture". [[User:David10244|David10244]] ([[User talk:David10244|talk]]) 08:48, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
:::Thank You @[[User:Maproom|Maproom]]. Noted. Will take care. I appreciate your inputs. [[User:Kolluru81|Kolluru81]] ([[User talk:Kolluru81|talk]]) 08:46, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
::Yes @[[User:Hoary|Hoary]] i am working with his descendants to put it up on the Wikipedia. They have shared the sources, which i am uploading on Wikimedia as well. Kindly let me know if i am in the right direction. [[User:Kolluru81|Kolluru81]] ([[User talk:Kolluru81|talk]]) 08:43, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
:::If this image and the other one from the Provisional Parliament Meeting that you placed in Commons were in a newspaper, then my understanding is that either the newspaper or the photographer hold copyright. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 08:51, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
::::Hello @[[User:David notMD|David notMD]], I really appreciate your inputs. I am trying to change the copy rights for this image, but i am unable to. Could you please help? [[Special:Contributions/2406:B400:D1:B442:74D4:F1C3:4F92:4B94|2406:B400:D1:B442:74D4:F1C3:4F92:4B94]] ([[User talk:2406:B400:D1:B442:74D4:F1C3:4F92:4B94|talk]]) 13:05, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Kolluru81|Kolluru81]] And if the newspaper or photographer holds the copyright, you can't upload it here and release it for public and commercial use. Copyright is complex. [[User:David10244|David10244]] ([[User talk:David10244|talk]]) 13:41, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
::::A copy of this photograph is in a library where the event took place. How can i attribute this? Could you please advise. [[User:Kolluru81|Kolluru81]] ([[User talk:Kolluru81|talk]]) 13:07, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Kolluru81|Kolluru81]] That is not related to the ''copyright'' status of the picture. It's not my area of expertise though. This should help: [[Wp:images|Images (click here)]]. Good luck. [[User:David10244|David10244]] ([[User talk:David10244|talk]]) 08:41, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Kolluru81|Kolluru81]] Also, the sources of information for an article (the references) need to have been [[wp:PUBLISHED|published (click here)]]. [[User:David10244|David10244]] ([[User talk:David10244|talk]]) 13:44, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
::::Actually we are talking about a Public Figure of 1950s who has contributed significantly towards the drafting of the Indian Constitution. Could you please help me on the published sources. I have tried everything from my side and also from the family side, looks like some records were not archived in digital space, but are in the Indian Parliament's website. [[User:Kolluru81|Kolluru81]] ([[User talk:Kolluru81|talk]]) 13:10, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Kolluru81|Kolluru81]] Sources (used as references) do not need to be online. You need to cite when and where the source was published, though. (And family records, even if they were scanned or digitized, are not usable as sources.) I know there are a lot of scattered questions and answers here; I hope this is helping. [[User:David10244|David10244]] ([[User talk:David10244|talk]]) 08:53, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:David10244|David10244]] This is really helping. Thank You. But i am unable to delete the image registered in Wikimedia commons. How can we go about it? please advise. [[User:Kolluru81|Kolluru81]] ([[User talk:Kolluru81|talk]]) 10:15, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Kolluru81|Kolluru81]] When I see an image at Commons, there's a link labeled "Nominate for deletion". I don't remember if that appears right away, or if I need to click the "more info" button first. [[User:David10244|David10244]] ([[User talk:David10244|talk]]) 05:36, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:David10244|David10244]] looks like the image has been deleted by Wikimedia team. Thank You for checking in. I wasn't able to delete it and by mistake had mentioned as my own work. [[User:Kolluru81|Kolluru81]] ([[User talk:Kolluru81|talk]]) 07:10, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
:@[[User:Kolluru81|Kolluru81]] You might want to read [[Wikipedia:CoI|WP:COI]] if you are working with his descendants, as well as make the mandatory [[Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure|paid editing disclosure]] <span style="font-family: comic sans;">[[User:Club On a Sub 20|Club On a Sub 20]] [[User talk:Club On a Sub 20|(talk)]]</span> 15:54, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
::@[[User:Club On a Sub 20|Club On a Sub 20]] Thank you for sharing this. I am not getting paid for this article, as i am helping a family whose grandfather made a significant contribution Indian Freedom Struggle. He has been lost in the history as he was a selfless man who was focussed on building a country than his persona :-) [[User:Kolluru81|Kolluru81]] ([[User talk:Kolluru81|talk]]) 13:16, 19 January 2023 (UTC)


Is there a to download these lists ? ( For example : the list in "<nowiki>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotopes_of_sodium</nowiki>" )
[[WP:PAID]] applies if paid, [[WP:COI]] if just helping. Do not add any more newspaper photos to Commons, and delete the one from the draft. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 13:20, 19 January 2023 (UTC)


I have written a c# application that describes the relations between elements, isotopes, decays, fusions ... etc.(originating from the question "Where the carbon atoms in the cafeine in your coffee come from ?")
:@[[User:David notMD|David notMD]] Thank You So Much. Will edit the copy. Thank You! [[User:Kolluru81|Kolluru81]] ([[User talk:Kolluru81|talk]]) 14:16, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
::@[[User:Kolluru81|Kolluru81]] In case you haven't seen this link yet, please read [[WP:YFA]]. [[User:David10244|David10244]] ([[User talk:David10244|talk]]) 08:55, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
:::Thank you @[[User:David10244|David10244]]
:::I completed the article and submitted it for review. But unfortunately was rejected. The reason mentioned was "unreliable sources". But all my sources are publicly Published in the Govt of India official Parliament website. May be i am missing something. Could you please check and advise?
:::TIA. [[User:Kolluru81|Kolluru81]] ([[User talk:Kolluru81|talk]]) 14:50, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Kolluru81|Kolluru81]] Your draft was not "rejected" (that's a bit of Wikipedia jargon that means the reviewer thought that no article would ever be OK and you should give up trying). Instead, it was "declined", which means that the article hasn't met our standards yet but could do so after more work. Your task is to show that Reddy meets the notability requirements of [[WP:NPOLITICIAN]], which as far as I can tell he will do because he was an MP in India's national parliament in the 1950s '''and''' you need to supply [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] (which don't need to be online but must have been published). Here your draft is problematic. The weblinks you have supplied don't work for me and I can't tell which website they are supposed to go to because you have used links that start <nowiki>http://10.246.16.187:80/handle</nowiki> or similar: I can't tell what these domains are. If they are the government of India website they should start <nowiki>https://www.india.gov.in/</nowiki> so [https://www.india.gov.in/my-government/indian-parliament/shri-v-vijayasai-reddy like this one which works for me]. Your sources need to back up the details of Reddy's life, not just state what Bills he debated in parliament. Good luck. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 15:54, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
:::::Thanks @[[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Michael D. Turnbull]]. I really appreciate your detailed insights. How would i use the sources that are not online. I have few images, that i was able to find in a library. How do i use them. When i try to insert a citation, it gives me less options.
:::::Kindly advise. [[User:Kolluru81|Kolluru81]] ([[User talk:Kolluru81|talk]]) 06:02, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Kolluru81|Kolluru81]] Full details at [[WP:CITE]]. Basically we use templates such as {{tl|cite book}}, {{tl|Cite news}} and {{tl|cite web}} depending on what the source was. For your politician, I'd expect many of the sources to be vintage Indian newspapers or maybe books. The use of sources you have found in a library is fine, the material does not have to be [[WP:OFFLINE|online]] and nor does it have to be in English (although if there are multi-language sources, we obviously prefer to use the English one). Take a look at [[Mahatma Ghandi]], to see what a really good biography looks like. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 11:10, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Michael D. Turnbull]] i have edited the sources now, with the details of Volumes and Journal details. [[User:Kolluru81|Kolluru81]] ([[User talk:Kolluru81|talk]]) 11:31, 24 January 2023 (UTC)


When you make normal modifications to these lists, it takes me about 2 weeks to refresh my database for over 3000 isotopes and 5000 decays coming from 118 pages (and subject to typing errors...)
== dark mode ==


I have tried to download one of these pages but I get one of these mumbo-jumbo network message ( about security and the correction looks like "set the web_client.Tchic_Tchac to Fling_Flang" ... and none of them works... )
We need dark mode, please!
One simple switch on top of every page.
Thanks [[Special:Contributions/2001:4C4E:29D2:C500:C559:A7ED:A9C4:3DCA|2001:4C4E:29D2:C500:C559:A7ED:A9C4:3DCA]] ([[User talk:2001:4C4E:29D2:C500:C559:A7ED:A9C4:3DCA|talk]]) 15:44, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
:Please offer comments at the talk page of [[WP:VECTOR2022|Vector 2022]]. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 15:47, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
:Welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor. We already have a 'Dark Mode' button at the top of every page. However you have to turn it on in Preferences ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets see here]). But you'll need to be logged on with a free user account to change any of the defaults available to you. [[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] ([[User talk:Nick Moyes|talk]]) 16:08, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
::Hello, thanks for your suggestion. A technical side-effect of the current skin is that it will be possible to build the dark mode. You will find [[mw:Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements/Frequently_asked_questions#Are_you_building_the_dark_mode?|more information here]]. Until then, what Nick wrote above is the best solution. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 16:17, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
::sorry, i might not be the smartest tool in the shed, but where is the switch for dark mode in the preference pane ? [[User:Vincent-vst|<span style="color:#c43986; text-shadow: 2px 1px 20px rgba(247,54,231,0.29);">Vincent-vst🚀</span>]] ([[User talk:Vincent-vst|talk]]) 05:22, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Vincent-vst|Vincent-vst]] It is one of the options on [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets]] in the "appearance" section. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 12:50, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
::::thank you [[User:Vincent-vst|<span style="color:#c43986; text-shadow: 2px 1px 20px rgba(247,54,231,0.29);">Vincent-vst🚀</span>]] ([[User talk:Vincent-vst|talk]]) 13:58, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
::Thanks for the answer.
::Here is my corrected suggestion:
::We need dark mode without any registration, any account, any logging on, please!
::Thanks. [[Special:Contributions/2001:4C4E:29D2:C500:BD2D:F6F8:A9:3AD8|2001:4C4E:29D2:C500:BD2D:F6F8:A9:3AD8]] ([[User talk:2001:4C4E:29D2:C500:BD2D:F6F8:A9:3AD8|talk]]) 10:11, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
:::As outlined at the link given above - [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements/Frequently_asked_questions#Are_you_building_the_dark_mode? this link] - the devs know that folks want this feature, but it's not currently in development, and may not ever be available to IPs. [[Special:Contributions/199.208.172.35|199.208.172.35]] ([[User talk:199.208.172.35|talk]]) 14:56, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
::@[[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] You said "We already have a 'Dark Mode' button at the top of every page. However you have to turn it on in Preferences".
::Then, this link, mentioned above, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements/Frequently_asked_questions#Are_you_building_the_dark_mode says the feature is not in development, and further, if it were built, "we would not plan to add an in-browser toggle".
::And from the WMF, @[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] says "''it will be possible'' to build it [dark mode], but until then, what Nick wrote is the best solution". (Emphasis mine.) So the WMF person's answer says it's not built yet, but we should follow your answer (Nick), which says it ''is'' available. Why is all this info so confusing?
::Even so, I turned the toggle on in Preferences, but I don't see a dark mode button at the top of any page. Why is there even a toggle if the WMF and the linked page says it "will be possible to build" this feature? Please help me understand... [[User:David10244|David10244]] ([[User talk:David10244|talk]]) 08:03, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
:::To clarify, I am in desktop mode on an Android tablet, using the Chrome browser. [[User:David10244|David10244]] ([[User talk:David10244|talk]]) 08:06, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
::::I hate to be one of those pushy editors, but ... No one has more info on this apparent set of contradictions, on whether the Dark Mode feature is already "built" or "now it will be possible to build" and "we do not plan to add..."? Thanks. [[User:David10244|David10244]] ([[User talk:David10244|talk]]) 05:41, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:David10244|David10244]], it's a [[Wikipedia:Gadget|gadget]], not an officially WMF-created dark mode. The latter is what folks keep referring to (it's been added to the latest wishlist, I see). [[Special:Contributions/199.208.172.35|199.208.172.35]] ([[User talk:199.208.172.35|talk]]) 22:04, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
:::::Linkity link: [[Wikipedia:Dark mode (gadget)|Dark mode]]. An experimental work by the design team + various volunteers, apparently. [[Special:Contributions/199.208.172.35|199.208.172.35]] ([[User talk:199.208.172.35|talk]]) 22:10, 25 January 2023 (UTC)


Do you have a suggestion ?
== Hello all! ==


Thank you very much [[User:Michel Béliveau|Michel Béliveau]] ([[User talk:Michel Béliveau|talk]]) 17:49, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
I'm an actor with several films on Amazon. I keep getting denied for a wikipedia page. I'm told it's because of resources so tonight I went and put in about 15 or so websites that mention my name from Google to foreign websites. I haven't gotten a lot of information about why I'm denied but I've been afforded blue check marks on many social media sites, it seems like Wikipedia would be easy to handle. I just wanted to control it before my name started to show up after recently selling in the UK and Ireland. Would anyone want to help me get it published? [[User:Madridbenjamin|Madridbenjamin]] ([[User talk:Madridbenjamin|talk]]) 01:10, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
:Describing a message as a "mumbo-jumbo network message" is not very helpful in determining what your problem is. If you quote the error message exactly it might be more useful. In any case, I can successfully download articles using curl like this: <syntaxhighlight>curl -k https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotopes_of_sodium</syntaxhighlight> [[User:CodeTalker|CodeTalker]] ([[User talk:CodeTalker|talk]]) 19:52, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you for this fast (and good) answer.
::The mumbo-jumbo error message was : "The request was aborted: Could not create SSL/TLS secure channel." I was not using the good approach to download the content of the web page.
::>>> However the CURL function does what I need.
::Here is want to do In my application :
::For each Element ( 118 !!! ) get the "List of Isotopes" for this Element. Then for each Isotope : get its mass, half-life, decay mode(s) and decay product(s). This yields for over 3500 isotopes and over 4500 decays. Refreshing the data took quite a long time.
::Analyzing the results of the curl command is not so hard and will eliminate typing mistakes. Even if I need a few days to program the analysis, it will be faster than re-typing the data.
::I will take a look at Wikidata.
::Thanks again. [[User:Michel Béliveau|Michel Béliveau]] ([[User talk:Michel Béliveau|talk]]) 23:02, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
:Without really understanding what you are trying to do, I would suspect that [[Wikidata]] was a more useful resource than Wikipedia for your purpose, as it is a database which contains relations between its elements. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 21:34, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Michel Béliveau|Michel Béliveau]] Wouldn't it be easier to download from the original sources, for example [https://www-nds.iaea.org/relnsd/nubase/nubase_min.html NUBASE]? [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 15:48, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Thank you Mr. Turnbull.
:::You are correct. It would be easier to download from the original sources.
:::I have found (and used) a NUBASE file (namely for nucleus values) . So far, I have found only 1 NUBASE file that I could use ( coming from "The Ame2020 atomic mass evaluation (I)"   by W.J.Huang, M.Wang, F.G.Kondev, G.Audi and S.Naimi -  Chinese Physics C45, 030002, March 2021) .
:::The purpose of my request to Wikipedia is to avoid re-typing the values. The NUBASE file allowed this.
:::Do you know other NUBASE files ? Or other sources ? (I also found some data in PeriodicTable.com)
:::Thanks again for your interest [[User:Michel Béliveau|Michel Béliveau]] ([[User talk:Michel Béliveau|talk]]) 19:19, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
{{to|Michel Béliveau}} Hello! This kind of question is something you might want to take to [[WP:RD/C|the Computing reference desk]], where you can get people with computing expertise to assist. --[[User:Slowking Man|Slowking Man]] ([[User talk:Slowking Man|talk]]) 20:39, 31 December 2024 (UTC)


== Locked out of account ==
:@[[User:Madridbenjamin|Madridbenjamin]] Welcome to the Teahouse! If you haven't already done so, please read [[WP:AUTO]] and [[WP:PSCOI]], and [[WP:DECLARECOI|declare your conflict of interest]] on [[User:Madridbenjamin|your user page]]. The information at the top of [[Draft:Benjamin Madrid]] links to lots of Wikipedia's policies. In particular, and article has to show how the person meets Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, called "[[WP:N|notability]]". Looking at the IMDb page about you, it doesn't seem like you meet the criteria at [[WP:NACTOR]], and the draft doesn't seem to have multiple [[WP:IS|independent sources]] that provide [[WP:SIGCOV|significant coverage]] of your work to meet [[WP:NBIO]]. It may be a case of [[WP:TOOSOON]]. Hope this helps! [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 03:15, 22 January 2023 (UTC)


I got locked out of my DooplissTTYD account because I forgot the complex password and didn’t have an email address linked to it. Is there any way that account can be renamed to something else and I change this one to DooplissTTYD? [[User:TTYDDoopliss|TTYDDoopliss]] ([[User talk:TTYDDoopliss|talk]]) 21:50, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
::[[User:Madridbenjamin|Madridbenjamin]] have you read [[Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing]]? Wikipedia is not a social media site, it is an encyclopedia with articles that can be edited by anyone. If there comes a time when a reliable source reports something about you that you don't like, it can be added to a future Wikipedia article and you won't be able to remove it. If you want to have control of what is published about yourself Wikipedia is not the place to ask for help getting an article, for that article won't belong to you, and you won't have control over it. You may also want to read [[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not]]. Best wishes to you. [[User:Karenthewriter|Karenthewriter]] ([[User talk:Karenthewriter|talk]]) 04:08, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
:::Well in my business it's a good thing. If my agent wrote it they would also log in as Madrid or my name. While you say it isn't social media, I'm not sure how you understand how things spider across the internet. In my business I can't control MOST of what's put out about me. It's hard to control my privacy for sure and costs a lot to do so. Putting one thing out by myself is the least of what I could do. I know it can be changed but so does the general public. I would imagine that an incorrect wikipedia page full of errors is still better than no wikipedia page at all. I dont control anything that's out about me on the internet, not even my pictures on amazon or netflix. It's a very different beast than social media, but necessary if not for the content at all. [[User:Madridbenjamin|Madridbenjamin]] ([[User talk:Madridbenjamin|talk]]) 01:56, 25 January 2023 (UTC)


:You would have to request a renaming from the account you want renamed. It can't be requested by in essence a third party(as we have no way to know who is on the other end of the computer). The best you can do is post on your current and previous user pages that you lost access to your old account and have a new one. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 00:06, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for all your advice. I don’t meet the criteria of ‘actor’? I’ve done 500 pieces of work, and I could keep putting them in the resources but didn’t think I would need too. I’m known for selling the only film created in Indiana to Hollywood. There are businessmen in this town with wiki pages.
:This is why the first thing you want to ensure you do right now is verify an e-mail address for your account, so you can restore it: [[Special:Preferences|follow this link if you haven't]]. Step 2: I highly recommend using a [[password manager]] to save passwords—as well as generate secure passwords. I suggest trying out [[Bitwarden]].
:{{br}}
:Now in this particular case, [[Special:Contributions/DooplissTTYD|your prior account has only a few edits]]; this means if you wait a bit, say 6 months, you can [[WP:USURPNAME|request to "usurp" it]] which will accomplish what you want. ([[Paper Mario TTYD|Also, a very good game.]]) --[[User:Slowking Man|Slowking Man]] ([[User talk:Slowking Man|talk]]) 18:06, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::I mean that’s what I did. I generated a password using a feature on my phone, and it kept saying the one I had on my phone was incorrect.
::and yes I have an email linked to this account now. 6 months is a very long time though… [[User:TTYDDoopliss|TTYDDoopliss]] ([[User talk:TTYDDoopliss|talk]]) 19:13, 31 December 2024 (UTC)


== donating - would like to donate ==
I’m happy if someone else does it but people don’t just show up on the resources I put up for nothing. Turn around and ask your Alexa ‘Who is Benjamin Madrid?’ - That global bit of info doesn’t get you on Wikipedia?
Kinda weird. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Madridb|Madridb]] ([[User talk:Madridb#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Madridb|contribs]]) 04:50, 22 January 2023 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


Hail...
:Hello from an Alexa-free zone, [[User:Madridbenjamin|Madridbenjamin]] aka [[User:Madridb|Madridb]]. There have been extraordinarily many actors. Most aren't notable according to Wikipedia's notability criteria. Perhaps here, in this thread, you could provide the links to the three best sources of information about you. These must be "[[WP:RS|reliable sources]]", and one requirement for this is that they must be independent of you: not by you, not by an agent working for you, not based on an interview with you. From the three, we'd be able to evaluate your [Wikipedia-defined] "notability". -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 05:48, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
Would like to donate 50 quid to the cause but stop at the name and address
::I feel like you're bummed that I made my screen name 'Madridb'? It's obviously me, I wasn't trying to hide anything. I gave you tons of sources by outside websites that I simply googled. Nothing on the internet is that reliable as you know. All of the 10 or so websites I sent are independent of me. They use my face, they use my art and often steal it, but I dont have anything to do with any of them. Once a film gets sold I have little recourse over what happens to my image. I've even had a tough time putting my own image up places because people don't think it's me. Oddly, I wish my agent did this for me but agents aren't interested unless there's money directly involved. I think all of you editors can beat me up for text, code and whatever...but the truth is, I'm just a guy that sold some films for my job...which is notable in itself. No one in Indiana has ever sold a film to Hollywood, and I'm not rich, I just worked hard with a lot of people. I'm the face of the film, so if I don't hustle the crew won't get more work and notoriety. While it may seem like I'm putting my face up for fame...trust me, I never get recognized and I hope I dont. The people that worked on the film however get to keep working. [[User:Madridbenjamin|Madridbenjamin]] ([[User talk:Madridbenjamin|talk]]) 02:02, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
part. Don't really see the need for full name and address.
Just old and not particularly wise. Any suggestions? [[Special:Contributions/81.96.25.61|81.96.25.61]] ([[User talk:81.96.25.61|talk]]) 12:28, 29 December 2024 (UTC)


:Hi IP editor, the Wikimedia Foundation deals with all donation issues and questions - editors here at the Teahouse don't have any input. Please direct your query to the email address at the bottom of [[donate:Ways_to_Give|donate.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ways_to_Give]] <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;">'''[[User:Qcne|<span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span>]]''' <small>[[User talk:Qcne|<span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span>]]</small></span> 12:49, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
[[Draft:Benjamin Madrid]] exists. All refs need to be embedded in the text. The software then puts a superscript number in the text and the ref shows uup under References. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 06:02, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
::Just to elaborate slightly: all editors here give their time entirely voluntarily and gain absolutely no financial benefit from any contributions made to keep the broader Wikipedia projects going. So we have little knowledge of how the donation systems work - despite being grateful for everyone's contributions. The advice above is sound. [[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] ([[User talk:Nick Moyes|talk]]) 18:21, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
:Also I'm not certain (not WMF personnel), but I am pretty confident the reason for requiring that info is fraud protection and banking and [[money laundering]] laws; it's not something the Foundation has any control over. WMF is a registered [[501(c)(3) organization]] in the US, meaning it has to comply with a bunch of laws and regulations. (For ''furrin types'', this is near-synonymous with "[[non-profit]]/[[Charity organization|charity]]" in the US, being simply the section of the [[Internal Revenue Code]] setting out the criteria said organizations have to meet to get tax exemption.) Note, a way that one can make semi-anonymous donations, is to pass them through what's called a "[[donor-advised fund]]" in the US, but this is a bit more involved and requires going through a bank or brokerage that will arrange your transfer. Alternatively, I suppose if one is accepting of the fact there are no guarantees in life one could always send cash to the WMF's front door with no return address and leave its final disposition up to them. --[[User:Slowking Man|Slowking Man]] ([[User talk:Slowking Man|talk]]) 18:38, 31 December 2024 (UTC)


== I don't find the ressource to add books wrote by someone ==
:@[[User:Madridbenjamin|Madridbenjamin]] Wikipedia allows drafts to be created by their subjects, although for reasons already given you may not like how the article about you subsequently evolves. However, that said, it is vital that you conform to Wikipedia's [[WP:BLP|policy on biographies of living people]]. That policy is there to ensure, among other things, that every fact stated in a biography is backed up by a reliable source that readers can use to [[WP:V|verify]] it is an accurate representation of what the source says. This means the draft ''must use inline citations'' (see [[WP:ILC]]). It is unreasonable for you to expect volunteers here to fix the shortcomings of your draft. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 14:49, 22 January 2023 (UTC)


Hello ! I'd like to add a book on the article about "[[David Murphy (CIA)]]". <br /> <br />
Guys. I’m not expecting anyone to fix it. It has inline sources, notable according to all of your articles. I can already tell you this is more trouble then it’s worth. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Madridb|Madridb]] ([[User talk:Madridb#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Madridb|contribs]]) 16:23, 22 January 2023 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


This is a book wrote by him not mentionned in the article. <br />
:@[[User:Madridb|Madridb]] These are not inline sources, they are just a bunch of weblinks dumped at the end of the draft, with no attempt to specify which source is relevant to the various facts in the text. In addition, you have uploaded to Wikimedia Commons a photo of you but that is not your "own work", (i.e. taken by you as a selfie): it was taken by [https://www.saugenphotography.com/ Lucas Saugen Photography], a commercial company. Commons will delete the photo unless you prove you are authorised to license it. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 17:00, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
I don't find the ressource explaining how to add the bibliography of someone. [[User:Anatole-berthe|Anatole-berthe]] ([[User talk:Anatole-berthe|talk]]) 16:17, 29 December 2024 (UTC)


:@[[User:Anatole-berthe|Anatole-berthe]] The standard template to use for book citations is {{t|cite book}}. It is usual, but not essential, to use its |URL= parameter to link to Google Books for the convenience of our readers. In this case that would be [https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Battleground_Berlin/3USTBk2dulQC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=david%20murphy%20battleground&pg=PR4&printsec=frontcover this link], from which you can also find the ISBN and full list of authors. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 16:27, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
Correct. Saugen photography took the photos of my wedding and with permission sold them to TurboTax. Like son of citation for MLA and APA style I put the links in your ‘automatic’ citing link under cite and that’s how Wikipedia spit them out. So the wedding photos are my own work, bought and paid for by me. I may not understand how the coding of Wikipedia works but you do not understand the business of acting and modeling. I suppose that’s true for many people and why they say ‘it’s not notable’…forgetting that they don’t know ANYONE that’s successfully don the same. Saugen also took my first album cover photos from My first recording contract. Dr Demento Basement Tapes 11 also shows my pre show business (legal) name. A selfie portrait would have been taken by my arm. Those are clearly professional photos. If you walk into any big box store today you’ll also see my face on many many products. Ford Motor Company travels the world using my face for their new Fusion. It’s not a matter of ‘stuff’ or permission it’s a matter of wiki people understanding what’s legal, real and owned. I’m happy to give whatever they want as long as it doesn’t show personal info. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Madridb|Madridb]] ([[User talk:Madridb#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Madridb|contribs]]) 17:25, 22 January 2023 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Hello, @[[User:Anatole-berthe|Anatole-berthe]]. Why do you want to add that book to that article? Has the book been discussed by independent sources? If not, why is it significant ednough to feature in a Wikipedia article?
:More to the point, that article is woefully short of sources, and does not establish that Murphy meets the criteria for [[WP:NBIO|notability]]. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 17:42, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
::The book was wrote by himself as I said. <br /> <br />
::The ISBN-10 is '''"0300107803"''' and the ISBN-13 is '''"978-0300107807"''' for the first edition.
::The title is '''"What Stalin Knew: The Enigma of Barbarossa"''' , it was published by "[[Yale University Press]]" in 2005. <br /> <br />
::The ISBN-10 is '''"030011981X"''' and the ISBN-13 is '''"978-0300119817"''' for the second edition.
::The second edition was published in 2006 by the same publisher. <br /> <br />
::In this edition , it's mentionned the review of the first edition by "[[Niall Ferguson]]" for '''"New York Time Book Review"'''.
::The first edition was also reviewed by "[[Andrew Nagorski]]" for "[[The Weekly Standard]]". <br /> <br />
::There are also a review by "[[Henry Kissinger]]" but I consider it doesn't count to add this book on Wikipedia.
::This person have to be considered as a reviewer among others even if he's notable accorded to criterias. <br /> <br />
::He didn't wrote the review for a magazine or a journal and therefore the fact '''"Kissinger"''' wrote a review should not be taken into account. This is what I think. <br /> <br />
::The same for the review by "[[Donald Kagan]]" for "[[Yale University]]" for a particular reason. This person worked for '''"Yale"''' and the book was published by "[[Yale University Press]]". Therefore , I consider it's like a review by the publisher itself. <br /> <br /> <br />
::Conclusion : I think this book met the criteria n°1 for "[[Wikipedia:Notability_(books)]]" to create an article on this book.
::I don't want to create an article on the book itself. <br /> <br />
::The '''"Threshold standards"''' is met because "[[Library of Congress]]" catalogued this book.
::[[LCCN]] is '''"2004065916"'''. <br /> <br />
::If it is considered as notable to create an article , I consider it is notable enough to mention this book on the article "[[David Murphy (CIA)]]". [[User:Anatole-berthe|Anatole-berthe]] ([[User talk:Anatole-berthe|talk]]) 12:03, 1 January 2025 (UTC)


== can you give me a lnk of the Roblox page ==
:If you do own the copyright to the photo, you'll need to provide evidence of permission to Wikimedia Commons. See [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Madridbenjamin your user talk page over at Commons] for instructions. It is, as you say, a matter of what is legal, and the admins over at Commons will delete the photo if there is no evidence that the upload is in fact legal. As for "{{tq|I put the links in your ‘automatic’ citing link under cite and that’s how Wikipedia spit them out}}", you misunderstand what you'd need to do – the citation marker has to be placed after the sentence or paragraph it supports, not in the "References" section. Take another look at the information linked by Michael D Turnbull above. --''[[User:Bonadea|bonadea]]'' <small>[[Special:Contributions/Bonadea|contributions]] [[User talk:Bonadea|talk]]</small> 17:58, 22 January 2023 (UTC)


i need Roblox link to sign in [[Special:Contributions/24.192.134.19|24.192.134.19]] ([[User talk:24.192.134.19|talk]]) 01:57, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::{{reply|Madridb}} You need to put each of those citation templates at the end of the article behind a sentence that is supported by that citation.
:{{welcometea}} Did you have a question about editing or using Wikipedia? —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;) 02:07, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::Also, we are strict about copyright. The fact that you possess a photograph doesn't mean you own the copyright. The fact that you bought a photograph doesn't mean you own the copyright. If you paid a photographer, then you would need a written agreement stating that the photograph is a work for hire, and you would need to provide a copy of that agreement to the Wikimedia Foundation.
::@[[User:Tenryuu|Tenryuu]] I think hes trolling. [[User:SimpleSubCubicGraph|SimpleSubCubicGraph]] ([[User talk:SimpleSubCubicGraph|talk]]) 02:50, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::Nobody said writing a Wikipedia article is easy. In fact, it is the most difficult task in existence on Wikipedia, and even more difficult if you have a conflict of interest, as you do.
:::That's my standard reply to anyone who doesn't ask questions about Wikipedia here. —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;) 02:58, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::One more thing, and this is really important. Please look at the short essay [[Wikipedia:Golden rule]] to understand what we require of the sources you cite. Can you tell us which three sources you cite meet ''all three'' criteria described in that essay? ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 01:07, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
:Does [[Roblox#External links|this link]] help at all? If you have general computing questions that aren't Wikipedia-specific, go to the [[WP:RD/Computing|Computing reference desk]]. --[[User:Slowking Man|Slowking Man]] ([[User talk:Slowking Man|talk]]) 18:46, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Oh absolutely. None of the articles I published were written by me, from the Indianapolis Star to IMDB to Indican Pictures to Trinity Creative....none of those were written by me but rather about me. All of the arabic sites you see quoted were not written by me, in fact I didn't write anything for any of the articles sited. This gets very confusing I'm sure to you guys that I do happen to be a film maker and writer, but articles about my writing are not my words. I hope that makes sense and yes I followed every Goldenrule you quoted. [[User:Madridbenjamin|Madridbenjamin]] ([[User talk:Madridbenjamin|talk]]) 17:08, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
:@[[User:Madridb|Madridb]] If the photographer sold the ''copyrights'' to TurboTax, then TurboTax owns the copyrights, not you, and unfortunately you can't relicense the images "for anyone to reuse, even for a commercial purpose". TurboTax might not like for you to (attempt to) relicense them in that way. [[User:David10244|David10244]] ([[User talk:David10244|talk]]) 11:01, 23 January 2023 (UTC)


== Good Sources for Articles ==
David10244 - incorrect. They sold one photo and that’s not the phot used. The caption says ‘on the set of turbo tax’. The photo was not sold, if you Google ‘tips for newly married couples’ you’ll see the actual photo. Companies buy one picture often not an entire set. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Madridb|Madridb]] ([[User talk:Madridb#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Madridb|contribs]]) 12:26, 23 January 2023 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


G-Day
:@[[User:Madridb|Madridb]] I think you misunderstand what is being told to you. If Lucas Saugen photography took the picture, it's their picture, and they have full rights. They then sold the picture to TurboTax, correct? They own the photo's rights. Google search results do not have anything to do with this. <span style="font-family: comic sans;">[[User:Club On a Sub 20|Club On a Sub 20]] [[User talk:Club On a Sub 20|(talk)]]</span> 16:59, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
::Once you pay for your photographs to be taken, you also buy the copyright. What's odd about my situation is that my photos were also worth something in the public sector. I bought the photos, and then gave permission for them to be sold at will by the distributor. This may seem odd to you guys but it's common in my business. If I did work for Google for instance or Ford Motor Company, I wouldn't own the rights to the work even if my face was on them. However, in this case the pictures worked in reverse. I payed for someone to take my wedding photos who happened to be a professional photographer for not only wedding work, but also a commercial photographer. We were friends from a past business deal which is very common. The photo you are seeing on Wikipedia was not sold to Turbo Tax, are you understand this? One photo from the pile of photos was sold to Turbo Tax, but that isn't being used here. It's moot. The photo you are seeing was bought and paid for as a service by me to own and distribute as I see fit. [[User:Madridbenjamin|Madridbenjamin]] ([[User talk:Madridbenjamin|talk]]) 17:05, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
:::The statement {{tq|Once you pay for your photographs to be taken, you also buy the copyright.}} is not always true. It can be true depending upon what agreement has been made with the person taking the photo, but it's not always the case. Anyway, if that's what happened in your situation, all you need to do is email your [[:c:COM:CONSENT]] to [[:c:COM:VRT|Wikimedia VRT]]. A VRT member will review the email you send and either verify the license or email you back if they need more information. Regardless, Commons and Wikipedia are separate projects with their own repsective policies and guidelines. While Wikipedia articles often use files uploaded to Commons, any questions related to the licensing of such files need to be resolved over at Commons. So, if you have questions about this kind of thing, you can ask them at [[:c:Commons:Village pump/Copyright]]. Now, if you don't want to go through the VRT process, there's a possibility that the file will end up deleted because Commons tends to err on the side of caution and delete files when there are concerns about their licensing.{{pb}} Whether a Wikipedia article can be created about you is something for discussion here on Wikipedia. That, however, will depend upon whether you're considered to meet Wikipedia notability guidelines like [[:WP:GNG]], [[:WP:BIO]] or [[:WP:NACTOR]], and this doesn't depend at all on whether there are any images in your draft. You can continue work on the draft while it's waiting to be reviewed to make it more clear how you meet one of the above guidelines, but generally it's not really a good idea to submit the same draft over and over again. If you would like some Wikipedia users experienced with creating and editing articles about actors, you can probably find some at [[:Wikipedia:WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers]]. Perhaps one of that WikiProject's members can provide you with some more specific suggestions on how to improve the draft. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 02:57, 25 January 2023 (UTC)


I wanted to ask if there is any reliable source for Articles. I cannot afford my personal favourite, The "Britannica" Encyclopedia, since they seem to be rare and expensive. Thank you. (I know this isn't about a specific Article but I need to know this) [[User:PizzaFrank|PizzaFrank]] ([[User talk:PizzaFrank|talk]]) 13:51, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
== Questions ==
:@[[User:PizzaFrank|PizzaFrank]] there are all sorts of reliable sources, not just Encyclopædia Britannica, and most don't require a purchase of any kind. See [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources]] for a detailed overview of RSes here on Wikipedia. <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace">'''<nowiki>'''[[</nowiki>[[User:CanonNi]]<nowiki>]]'''</nowiki>'''</span> ([[User talk:CanonNi|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CanonNi|contribs]])</span> 13:55, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you, I will check that out. [[User:PizzaFrank|PizzaFrank]] ([[User talk:PizzaFrank|talk]]) 14:03, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:{{u|PizzaFrank}} Note that you don't have to personally own the source- it just needs to be publicly accessible, like online, or in a library. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 14:01, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::Understood Thank you for the help. [[User:PizzaFrank|PizzaFrank]] ([[User talk:PizzaFrank|talk]]) 14:04, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:::[[User:PizzaFrank|PizzaFrank]] I have used https://www.britannica.com a few times, and there is no fee to use the online version of Encyclopedia Britannica. [[User:Karenthewriter|Karenthewriter]] ([[User talk:Karenthewriter|talk]]) 18:27, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:And besides [[public libraries]] which are great, Wikipedia editors with some experience can access [[WP:The Wikipedia Library|The Wikipedia Library]] which grants ''free'' access to tons of "paywalled" "digital content"! Pretty neat! Also see there: even if your account is not "seasoned" enough yet, you can request experienced editors assist you with researching sources through it. --[[User:Slowking Man|Slowking Man]] ([[User talk:Slowking Man|talk]]) 17:45, 1 January 2025 (UTC)


== Photograph attribution ==
Play your questions in teahouse '''<span style="color:#f535aa">—</span> [[User:Navajcmer|<span style="background:#f535aa;color:#fff;padding:2px;border-radius:5px">KFC</span>]] <span style="color:#f535aa">([[User talk:Navajcmer|🔔]] • [[Special:Contributions/Navajcmer|📝]])</span>''' 08:00, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
:Hello {{U|Navajcmer}} ("KFC"). Yes, people are welcome to ask questions about the use of Wikipedia here. Do you have such a question? -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 09:00, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
::yes '''<span style="color:#f535aa">—</span> [[User:Navajcmer|<span style="background:#f535aa;color:#fff;padding:2px;border-radius:5px">KFC</span>]] <span style="color:#f535aa">([[User talk:Navajcmer|🔔]] • [[Special:Contributions/Navajcmer|📝]])</span>''' 17:12, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Navajcmer|Navajcmer]] ("KFC") What might your question be? <span style="font-family: comic sans;">[[User:Club On a Sub 20|Club On a Sub 20]] [[User talk:Club On a Sub 20|(talk)]]</span> 16:39, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
::::new Questions say in the teahouse ok '''<span style="color:#f535aa">—</span> [[User:Navajcmer|<span style="background:#f535aa;color:#fff;padding:2px;border-radius:5px">KFC</span>]] <span style="color:#f535aa">([[User talk:Navajcmer|🔔]] • [[Special:Contributions/Navajcmer|📝]])</span>''' 07:24, 24 January 2023 (UTC)


I want to use a portrait of my grandfather taken in 1915 by a company that no longer exists. I can show an attribution in the caption, but there is nobody I can seek permission from. How do I proceed, please? [[User:Gangnam Woodford|Gangnam Woodford]] ([[User talk:Gangnam Woodford|talk]]) 16:52, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
== help with authority control, please? ==


:Hello. It depends on the laws of your country, but a photo taken in 1915 is likely in the public domain. According to https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory/United_States in the US anything published before 1929 is public domain(other than sound recordings), so it would just depend on your own country. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 16:56, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
Hello,
::Yes '''BUT''' (big but!), "publication" in the context of US copyright law has a specifical technical, legal definition. It doesn't mean "creation" or even "giving a copy to a particular person". [[commons:COM:Hirtle chart|Hirtle chart]]. A photograph of a private individual is almost certainly an "unpublished work" under the US copyright meaning of that term, which matters significantly for the length of its copyright term especially if an "older" work. Copyright is a subject that gets quite technical, so if not familiar and experienced with copyright issues, it is best to hesitate to advise others before researching things in detail and double-checking, and if in doubt, direct others to forums like [[commons:COM:VP/C|Commons]] where experts can be found. --[[User:Slowking Man|Slowking Man]] ([[User talk:Slowking Man|talk]]) 20:02, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:Gangnam Woodford|Gangnam Woodford]] Is this an American picture? If so, you can upload it as public domain, see [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Hirtle_chart]. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 16:57, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::Sorry, should have said: UK. [[User:Gangnam Woodford|Gangnam Woodford]] ([[User talk:Gangnam Woodford|talk]]) 16:58, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Gangnam Woodford|Gangnam Woodford]] Still good, see this example: [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Archibald_Joyce.jpg File:Archibald Joyce.jpg]. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 17:02, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Thank you! [[User:Gangnam Woodford|Gangnam Woodford]] ([[User talk:Gangnam Woodford|talk]]) 17:06, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Please also see [[MOS:CREDITS]] ".... do not credit the image author or copyright holder in the article. .... as long as the appropriate credit is on the image description page." - [[User:Arjayay|Arjayay]] ([[User talk:Arjayay|talk]]) 17:16, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::Thanks. [[User:Gangnam Woodford|Gangnam Woodford]] ([[User talk:Gangnam Woodford|talk]]) 17:29, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:{{to|Gangnam Woodford}} "Congratulations", you've just tripped onto one of the fun little copyright law landmines that are out there (alternately: "job security for lawyers"). Everything on [[commons:|Wikimedia Commons]] must be public domain in '''''both''''' the US, '''and''' origin country. This means you have to care about US copyright law and all its nuances: see [[commons:COM:Hirtle chart|Hirtle chart]]. Unless the picture was like put on display in an art gallery or something, it is an "unpublished" work and therefore ''still under copyright in the US until 2035!'' (120 yrs from creation date) Really! Welcome to copyright law!
:{{br}}
:Here are the practical implications for you in this case: Is this image going to be used in an article? If so, upload it ''here on enwp'' (not Commons) by [[Special:Upload|following this link]], and tag it {{tl|PD-UK-unknown}}, as well as adding a [[WP:fair use rationale|fair use rationale]] since it's still under US copyright.
:Add it to the article(s), nothing more needed—some bot should automatically transport it over to Commons when it finally lapses into PD-US. However, if you just, say, want to use the image on your [[WP:user page|user page]], I'm afraid you aren't going to be able to for 10 more years. So stick a pin in the calendar for that. --[[User:Slowking Man|Slowking Man]] ([[User talk:Slowking Man|talk]]) 19:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)


== An Article About CK ==
I tried to add the VIAF and GND id for a recently created person,
{{resolved|1=Young person goofing off --[[User:Slowking Man|Slowking Man]] ([[User talk:Slowking Man|talk]]) 20:14, 31 December 2024 (UTC)}}
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I was asked by christen kuikoua representation to write an article about him and it was declined saying I didn't correctly reference it. Please if anyone wishes to jump in and help me with Will appreciate it [[Draft:Christen Kuikoua]]


[[User:Silvernet123|Silvernet123]] ([[User talk:Silvernet123|talk]]) 18:27, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
[[Arnold Baumgarten]]


:Hello {{u|Silvernet123}}, I've left some instructions on your talk page about the [[WP:DISCLOSEPAY|mandatory paid editing disclosure]] that is required by Wikimedia's terms of service. Please follow those instructions before making any other edits. -- [[User:DandelionAndBurdock|D'n'B]]-''[[User_talk:DandelionAndBurdock|📞]]'' -- 19:03, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::Okay thank you [[User:Silvernet123|Silvernet123]] ([[User talk:Silvernet123|talk]]) 19:05, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:::{{u|Silvernet123}}, are you actually being paid to write complete garbage like {{tpq|He is known as one of the most philosophical minds in the 21st century with a record of 200+ Quotations and 89+ Poetry highlighting themes of love, patience, self-worth, discipline, and Christ-like values}} about an unknown 17 year old? That is the complete opposite of how an encyclopedia article should be written. Would you take a job as a chef if you don't know how to cook? [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]])
::::{{u|Silvernet123}} I would add that our incentive to help you is low......if you're being paid to be here, it's up to you to learn our standards and what we're looking for. We're here for free. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 19:18, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::::That's fair. I appreciate your feedback and will take the time to learn and meet Wikipedia's standards. Thank you for pointing me in the right direction. but still if you can assist I will appreciate [[User:Silvernet123|Silvernet123]] ([[User talk:Silvernet123|talk]]) 19:25, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Hello, @[[User:Silvernet123|Silvernet123]]. This is probably not what you want to hear, but: {{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}} [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 20:59, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::The entire article is written as self-promotion. One of your references is to fan writing on Medium claiming "(Account Not Own By Christen Kuikoua)", but appears to be copy/paste of material written by the subject. Promotional material does not belong in Wikipedia. Trying to create some fake noteriety by sneaking badly ghost-written articles into Wikipedia and elsewhere is unethical. If you wish to fake fame, then low-accountability social meda sites are probably more appropriate. [[User:Just Al|Just Al]] ([[User talk:Just Al|talk]]) 21:15, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:Yo, I got here ‘cause I’ve been hearing you say I paid or my "representation" paid you to write an article. Like, not trying to be rude, but you gotta chill. I didn’t send you anywhere, and no one representing me sent you either. Bro, if you’re one of my friends messing around, you gotta stop.
:I looked at the draft, and while it’s kind of you to try writing something for me, you gotta do it the right way. Don’t go around saying I sent you somewhere—just saying, it’s not a good look. I’d like Wikipedia to delete the draft because I didn’t pay anyone, and I’m not planning on paying anyone either. [[User:Christenkofficial|Christenkofficial]] ([[User talk:Christenkofficial|talk]]) 23:54, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::Hi Christenkofficial,
::Thank you for reaching out and clarifying your position. First, I want to say that I genuinely admire your work, which is why I was inspired to write about it. However, I now realize that my actions may have caused confusion or unintended trouble for you. I’m really sorry for using your name like that without your knowledge or permission it wasn’t my intention to create any issues.
::If you’d like the draft to be deleted, I completely understand and will fully support that. Thank you for bringing this to my attention, and I’ll be more careful moving forward.
::Best regards,
::Silvernet123 [[User:Silvernet123|Silvernet123]] ([[User talk:Silvernet123|talk]]) 00:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
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:Note that the account {{u|Christenkofficial}} has (correctly or not, I'm just reporting) now been blocked as a sockpuppet of {{u|Silvernet123}}, per [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Silvernet123]]. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} [[Special:Contributions/94.1.223.204|94.1.223.204]] ([[User talk:94.1.223.204|talk]]) 03:35, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
but there is a message saying the authority control is erroneous.


How to fix this please?
== How to add sources ==


I need a simplified tutorial in how to add the number reference and the cite the source. [[User:M. Chris Tucker|M. Chris Tucker]] ([[User talk:M. Chris Tucker|talk]]) 19:02, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
https://d-nb.info/gnd/127406719


:Hello {{user|M. Chris Tucker}}, might I suggest ''[[Help:Referencing for beginners|Referencing For Beginners]]''. -- [[User:DandelionAndBurdock|D'n'B]]-''[[User_talk:DandelionAndBurdock|📞]]'' -- 19:06, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
http://viaf.org/viaf/118200321
:Hi @[[User:M. Chris Tucker|M. Chris Tucker]] and welcome to Wikipedia! The simplest way to add references is, directly after the sentence or paragraph that your source supports, add <nowiki><ref></nowiki>, followed by the text of your reference, followed by <nowiki></ref></nowiki>. The software will sort out the numbering for you. Others here should be able to give you more detailed advice, and the guide that D'n'B linked above looks like a great place to learn more. Thanks for your additions to [[:Edward Dickson (Canadian politician)]]! Best, [[User:Wham2001|Wham2001]] ([[User talk:Wham2001|talk]]) 19:07, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:: [[Special:Contributions/2607:FEA8:7D00:95A0:FDD3:6EB9:68D5:D6D7|2607:FEA8:7D00:95A0:FDD3:6EB9:68D5:D6D7]] ([[User talk:2607:FEA8:7D00:95A0:FDD3:6EB9:68D5:D6D7|talk]]) 00:38, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Thanks very much! I will follow up on your suggestion and wish you a Happy New Year. [[User:M. Chris Tucker|M. Chris Tucker]] ([[User talk:M. Chris Tucker|talk]]) 00:42, 31 December 2024 (UTC)


== How do I add a "Main Article" to Wikipedia ==


I updated our "Cornhusker Council" section under Boy Scouts of America, Nebraska Scouting. and would like to create a main article for our council. how do I do that?
Thank you [[User:Eli185|Eli185]] ([[User talk:Eli185|talk]]) 05:17, 23 January 2023 (UTC)


[[User:Cornhusker324|Cornhusker324]] ([[User talk:Cornhusker324|talk]]) 21:15, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:Eli185|Eli185]] - Welcome to the Teahouse! The [[Wikidata]] item associated with the [[Arnold Baumgarten]] article had an incorrect GND value. I deleted it and readded the number you provided, which did the trick. Happy editing! [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 07:06, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
:{{u|Cornhusker324}} Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. First, please see [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]], as that needs to be formally disclosed. For a standalone article about your specific council, you would need to show with significant coverage in independent [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] that your council meets [[WP:ORG|the special Wikipedia definition of a notable organization]]. That coverage can't just be the reporting of its routine activities, but in depth coverage as to what makes your council important/significant/influential. Be aware that writing a new article is the most difficult task to attempt on Wikipedia, and it's even harder with a conflict of interest. Also be aware that an article is [[WP:PROUD|not necessarily desirable]]. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 21:23, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you! [[User:Eli185|Eli185]] ([[User talk:Eli185|talk]]) 05:49, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
::Hello @[[User:Cornhusker324|Cornhusker324]]. I have just reverted your edits in accordance with our conflict of interest policy. Please request specific edits on the article's respective [[help:Talk pages|talk page]]. Thanks. [[User:Tarlby|<span style="color:cyan;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">''Tarl''</span><span style="color:orange;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">''by''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Tarlby|''t'']]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tarlby|''c'']])</sup> 21:25, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:You missed the first digit off the number - no problem, all sorted now! &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 08:42, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
::Thank you! [[User:Eli185|Eli185]] ([[User talk:Eli185|talk]]) 05:49, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
:::And I'm not sure why the council itself would merit a standalone article from the article about scouting in Nebraska. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 21:31, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Many other Councils already have a standalone article. I would think this would be supported for consistency sake. [[User:Cornhusker324|Cornhusker324]] ([[User talk:Cornhusker324|talk]]) 21:35, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Cornhusker324|Cornhusker324]], please see [[WP:42]]. Some council have articles. Others don't, and maybe they shouldn't. It all depends on the [[wp:rs|reliable sources]] that we need to use so that an article can be made. An article on Cornhusker Council won't be made if there are no such sources. [[User:Tarlby|<span style="color:cyan;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">''Tarl''</span><span style="color:orange;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">''by''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Tarlby|''t'']]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tarlby|''c'']])</sup> 21:40, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::Noted [[User:Cornhusker324|Cornhusker324]] ([[User talk:Cornhusker324|talk]]) 21:43, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:::I have changed my user name in hopes of complying with your COI policy. The stand-alone article seems too difficult at this point. Perhaps in the future.
:::As such, I would simply like to update our section, "Cornhusker Council," in "Scouting in Nebraska." and will attempt that in the 'talk page,' as you suggested. [[User:Cornhusker324|Cornhusker324]] ([[User talk:Cornhusker324|talk]]) 21:42, 30 December 2024 (UTC)


Your name change does not show up yet, and regardless of a name change, you still have a COI. I see that you are proposing changes on the Talk page of the article, but much of what you wrote is not referenced. See [[Help:Referencing for beginners]] to understand how to insert inline refs. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 05:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
== Experienced editor banned new user from editing page for reasonable edit ==


:I provided four references which is more than what is currently listed. Those currently used are not authoritative and factually incorrect. [[Special:Contributions/209.92.187.50|209.92.187.50]] ([[User talk:209.92.187.50|talk]]) 15:34, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Hello all! I noticed that a more experienced editor banned a new user from editing a page after the new user made an edit that I believe was reasonable (or, at least, does not warrant a ban). I posted on the experienced editor's talk page to remind them of [[WP:NOBITE|to not bite newcomers]] and asked them to post on the new editor's talk page instead of banning the new editor. I have to wait and see what happens, but I'm not sure what to do next if the experienced editor doesn't listen. Any advice? Thank you! [[User:Toomuchcuriosity|Toomuchcuriosity]] ([[User talk:Toomuchcuriosity|talk]]) 17:16, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
::How exactly did you change your username? It should be done via either [[Special:GlobalRenameRequest]] or [[WP:CHUS]]. You should continue to use your original username until it is changed, at which time you can begin using the new name. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 15:48, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Never mind, I see it is changed now. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 15:49, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::That is not how references are created. Also, you now appear to be editing as an IP address, i.e., not logged into an account versus a name-change. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 16:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::I've used two different means to source the information I provided, both of which were recommended by this site and/or a moderator. [[User:CCJLJ|CCJLJ]] ([[User talk:CCJLJ|talk]]) 17:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Again, see Help:Referencing for beginners to understand how to insert inline refs. What you posted on the Talk page of the article (below) are not properly formatted references. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 21:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
References supporting change:
*Salistean, John, "A History of the Cornhusker Council 1940-1975," Houchen Bindery LTD of Utica, Nebraska, 1st ed., 2011.
*Golden Sun Lodge Website, www.goldensunlodge.org
*Cornhusker Council Website, www.cornhuskercouncil.org
*Brown, Elinor L., "History of Lancaster County, Then and Now," ASIN‎ B0006CJTC2, Jan 1971.


== Notability and Independence. ==
:Hi @[[User:Toomuchcuriosity|Toomuchcuriosity]], welcome to the Teahouse. {{u|RolandR}} is not an administrator and therefore cannot ban anyone from editing that article. Their edit summary refers to the fact that the article is under active arbitration remedies - only accounts which are logged-in, have 500 edits and an account age of 30 days are allowed to edit it. See the top of [[Talk:Bezalel Smotrich]] for further explanations. It's possible to lock an article so that accounts which don't meet the restrictions ''can't'' edit it, but in general Wikipedia's policy is not to do that unless there's a lot of disruption. A revert and a warning is pretty standard. [[Special:Contributions/199.208.172.35|199.208.172.35]] ([[User talk:199.208.172.35|talk]]) 17:27, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
::Ok, got it! Thanks for clarifying! I wasn't sure what that meant. In that case, that certainly seems reasonable. I appreciate your help! [[User:Toomuchcuriosity|Toomuchcuriosity]] ([[User talk:Toomuchcuriosity|talk]]) 17:39, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
::In that case, I think RolandR was correct to restrict who can edit the article. However, I still think that the RolandR's reaction was a bit harsh and comes off as punitive for a reasonable edit since the page was only put under arbitration remedies following the user's edit.
::Is the following a reasonable response on my part? I plan apologize to RolandR for my misunderstanding, but continue to note [[WP:NOBITE|the no biting policy]] ask that RolandR at least include the user in discussions over this edit. Thank you so much for your help! [[User:Toomuchcuriosity|Toomuchcuriosity]] ([[User talk:Toomuchcuriosity|talk]]) 17:50, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
:::{{u|Toomuchcuriosity}}, if I'm understanding the situation here correctly, the RolandR didn't restrict who can edit the article; they merely explained an existing restriction to an editor who was likely unaware of it. [[User:Cordless Larry|Cordless Larry]] ([[User talk:Cordless Larry|talk]]) 17:59, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
::::Oh! Ok I understand now. Sorry for the misunderstanding, it can be hard to understand the context given small summary statements. [[User:Toomuchcuriosity|Toomuchcuriosity]] ([[User talk:Toomuchcuriosity|talk]]) 18:02, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
::::I apologized to RolandR for my mistake. I really appreciate all of your help. I will continue to seek help from Teahouse moving forward since it is clear I was a bit too cavalier with my response. [[User:Toomuchcuriosity|Toomuchcuriosity]] ([[User talk:Toomuchcuriosity|talk]]) 18:14, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
:::::Thanks, {{u|Toomuchcuriosity}}. Where things aren't clear from an edit summary, it's worth checking to see if the editor left a message on the talk page of the user concerned. RolandR's post [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Rohitikarma&oldid=1134810354 here] provides more explanation. [[User:Cordless Larry|Cordless Larry]] ([[User talk:Cordless Larry|talk]]) 19:03, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
::::::I fully concur with the topic at hand. It is not a characteristic of a well-informed community to consistently subject new members to organized bullying on Wikipedia. The utilization of jargon that is not relevant to the novice is a common occurrence. While the Five Pillars of Wikipedia are considered fundamental to the Wikipedia project, some experts do not give due importance to these pillars and instead cite less relevant rules and complex systems to intimidate newcomers. This can be perceived as an organized effort. Novices can be described as individuals who may not be familiar with technical language and terminology but may possess a wealth of subject knowledge and expertise. They may also be individuals with limited editing experience In order to address this issue, I propose several suggestions.
::::::#Develop a more comprehensive understanding of legitimacy that takes into account a wider range of factors such as geographical location, cultural context, testimonials, lurking behavior, and external factors.
::::::#Focus on the specific challenges that newcomers face in the Wikipedia community and tailor strategies to address these challenges.
::::::#Encourage experienced community members to actively welcome and support newcomers by providing guidance and support, and helping newcomers to understand community norms and expectations. specially not by words but by deeds
::::::#Implement a system for reporting harassment and other negative behaviors to help create a safer and more inclusive environment for newcomers.
::::::#Regularly evaluate and monitor the effectiveness of these strategies to identify areas for improvement and to ensure that they are having the desired impact on community participation and acceptance of newcomers.
::::::@[[User:Doug Weller|Doug Weller]] ! I was able to comment here because you directed me.Thank you for that. If you would like to comment on this, I would be happy to know about it. <span style="text-shadow:3px 3px 4px lightskyblue;">[[User:Rsekanayake|<span style="color:#F62817">Rs</span>]][[User talk:Rsekanayake|<span style="color:#1673F5">Ekanayake</span>]]</span> 03:39, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
:::::::Per 1, I have no idea what you mean about legitimacy, lurking behaviour, testimonials, etc.
:::::::Per 2, we have places like this to help newcomers.
:::::::Per 3, we try but the number of newcomers is very large. I have no idea what you mean by deeds.
:::::::Per 4, we already have that at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents]] and [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard]].
:::::::Per 5, see my comments on 3. I also don't know what metrics one would use. [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 08:16, 24 January 2023 (UTC)


My grandmother, Ethel Margaret Streit Harrison, was the first woman elected as Clerk of the Montana Supreme Court, one of the founders of the Montana Association of Female Executives and one of the original board members of the Holter Museum of Art. There are printed sources that talk about her achievements but according to wikipedia the only thing notable about her was that she was married to [[John C. Harrison (judge)]]. I understand that, as a relative, there is a potential conflict here, but I think it is important her contributions are documented on something other than microfiche. Any thoughts? / Thank you :) [[User:Mehap dwhx|Mehap dwhx]] ([[User talk:Mehap dwhx|talk]]) 22:40, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
== Regarding Review https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Bhaskar_Sen ==
:[[User:Mehap dwhx|Mehap dwhx]], none of those three roles that you describe automatically confers [[WP:N|Wikipedia-defined "notability"]] on a person. And the sum of the three doesn't either. But it's possible that she's "notable" all the same. Regardless of your conflict of interest, you're free to create [[Draft:Ethel Margaret Streit Harrison]]. If this demonstrates her notability and follows Wikipedia's other policies, it will be promoted to an article (possibly with a slightly different title), whereupon you shouldn't continue to edit it but would be free to make suggestions and requests on its talk page. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 23:12, 30 December 2024 (UTC)


:To expand an aspect of Hoary's excellent advice above: in Wikipedia, '[[WP:Notability|Notability]]' boils down to "is there ''enough'' substantial material, published [[Wikipedia:Independent sources|independently]] of the subject, in multiple [[WP:Reliable sources|Reliable sources]], to form the basis of an article about the subject. It doesn't necessarily require that the subject is 'famous', or in one of many possible senses 'important'.
Hello all, I got the following message on the review of the submission. "This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources."
:Also, the fact that your grandmother's achievements are ''not yet'' in Wikipedia doesn't mean Wikipedia asserts they ''aren't'', or she as a whole ''isn't'', notable; merely that no volunteer editor has yet gathered the necessary sources and added the information (with [[WP:citations|citations]]), whether in her husband's article or in a draft for her own. I encourage you to try. Good luck!
It seems I have referenced sources adequately and all sources are vetted and reliable. Including sources from reputed national dailies. Please let me know what changes to do, to get the write up published successfully.
:While we're here, I notice that [[John C. Harrison (judge)|John C. Harrison's]] article is on shaky ground, because it's entirely cited to a single (though reliable) source: we usually prefer a minimum of three, so if you could flesh out ''that'' article with further referenced material, it would be a good thing. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} [[Special:Contributions/94.1.223.204|94.1.223.204]] ([[User talk:94.1.223.204|talk]]) 03:56, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Could someone please help and explain the reason behind decline in a little more delay?
::Add '''Ethel Margaret Streit Harrison''' to: [[John_C._Harrison_(judge)#Personal_life]]
Thank You very very much [[User:Mayukhsenkar|Mayukhsenkar]] ([[User talk:Mayukhsenkar|talk]]) 18:06, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
::[[Special:Contributions/69.181.17.113|69.181.17.113]] ([[User talk:69.181.17.113|talk]]) 04:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:Hello, {{u|Mayukhsenkar}}. If he competed in the Olympics, then why is there no coverage of his results there? [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 18:32, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
:::can you find at least 4 [[WP:RS]] sources ? [[Special:Contributions/69.181.17.113|69.181.17.113]] ([[User talk:69.181.17.113|talk]]) 04:47, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Hello @[[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] Thank you for replying. He has been covered extensively for participating in Karate at Olympics. The Karate event was an additional event in Tokyo 2020 where it included pre-matches and test events. He may have participated in them.
:::She's already mentioned in that section as Ethel Harrison, cited to the article's (only) reference. Even to add her middle names would require a further citation to a ''published reliable source'' that mentions them (the existing one does not: I've downloaded and searched it). {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} [[Special:Contributions/94.1.223.204|94.1.223.204]] ([[User talk:94.1.223.204|talk]]) 06:56, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::The athlete has been a part of Olympic 365 community also which has been shown by his correspondence with the IOC. [[User:Mayukhsenkar|Mayukhsenkar]] ([[User talk:Mayukhsenkar|talk]]) 18:38, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
:::{{u|Mayukhsenkar}} our article [[Karate at the 2020 Summer Olympics]] does not list India as a participating nation. Please clarify. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 18:52, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
::::Being married to JCH can be mentioned in her Personal life section, but does not contribute to establishing her notability. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 05:34, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Thanks @[[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] for replying and guiding. On a brief check for Karate Event in Tokyo 2020, it did have test and pre-matches as recorded by various sources : https://www.wkf.net/news-center-new/ready-steady-tokyo-karate-test-event-underway-at-nippon-budokan/1060, https://olympics.com/en/news/karate-follows-judo-with-successful-budokan-test, https://www.wkf.net/news-center-new/ready-steady-tokyo-karate-test-event-shows-karates-determination-to-shine-at-olympic-games/1061. The event has been covered by reputed Sports Journals like InsidetheGames also. [[User:Mayukhsenkar|Mayukhsenkar]] ([[User talk:Mayukhsenkar|talk]]) 19:40, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
:::::{{u|Mayukhsenkar}}, none of those references mention Sen. They describe a test event that took place before the Olympics and the world class athletes were not present. Your statement {{tpq|Known to have represented India at the Tokyo 2020 Olympics}} seems inaccurate and misleading. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 21:07, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] None of the test event persons are mentioned , not only him. It mentions local representatives, which according to WKF definition is previous champions. His performance at Olympics has been widely published, also IOC has corresponded to him as Olympic 365 member and mentor, which is given to Olympians.
::::::The statement is well corroborated. [[User:Mayukhsenkar|Mayukhsenkar]] ([[User talk:Mayukhsenkar|talk]]) 21:39, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
:::::::He did not compete in the Olympics. Olympic Athletes 365 is a developmental program that includes a wide range of athletes, not just Olympic competitors. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 23:13, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Mayukhsenkar|Mayukhsenkar]] Hi there! You wrote "His performance at Olympics has been widely published". Could you please provide three published reliable sources that provide significant coverage of his performance? Thanks! [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 03:49, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
::::::::Olympic 365 mentorship is only for Olympians as mentorship is in collaboration with WOA.
::::::::@[[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] https://www.youthkiawaaz.com/2021/08/bhaskar-becomes-the-first-indian-to-attend-the-olympic-karate-event/, https://readscoops.com/sports/bhaskar-sen-karate-olympic-hero/, https://www.hindustantimes.com/delhi/du-s-karate-kid-aspires-to-represent-india-at-next-olympics/story-7cPxsxLZLVKRIwCnxs3UBL.html two of the sources are primary and one is a national daily, on giving a quick look, there are many more sources which report on his participation. [[User:Mayukhsenkar|Mayukhsenkar]] ([[User talk:Mayukhsenkar|talk]]) 07:26, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:Mayukhsenkar|Mayukhsenkar]] I asked you to provide sources that provide significant coverage of his performance in the Olympics. The ''Hindustan Times'' article is from 2016, so it obviously doesn't say anything about what he did in 2020. The YKA and Read Scoops mention his background and other achievements, but don't seem to contain even a single sentence about what Sen did at the "Olympic Karate Event". Do you have any independent reliable sources that state what he actually did at the Olympics? [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 14:08, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::@[[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] The source of Hindustan Times states about his selection into the Olympics, the other two sources speak at length about his qualification which is inline with the qualification guidelines of Tokyo 2020. I would like to politely make a correction to your sentence where you describe "2020" when Olympic Event happened on 2021. Since the Kata Event which he was qualified for was a round robin according to the Olympic rules, the articles stating his participation are technically correct. An olympic event is not 1v1 where his performance "against" an athlete needs to be shown. The Qualification happened based on ranking https://setopen.sportdata.org/wkfranking/ranking_main_competitor.php?ranking_country=IND&ranking_competitor=IND178&hidemenu=true, is the basis of ranking. This link could be traced back from archives to check his scores, however, current points on his profile may not reflect what the point were before olympics since, WKF follows a yearly depletion mechanism of points. [[User:Mayukhsenkar|Mayukhsenkar]] ([[User talk:Mayukhsenkar|talk]]) 16:43, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Mayukhsenkar|Mayukhsenkar]] I do not see a sentence in [https://www.hindustantimes.com/delhi/du-s-karate-kid-aspires-to-represent-india-at-next-olympics/story-7cPxsxLZLVKRIwCnxs3UBL.html the Hindustan Times article] that "states about his selection into the Olympics". Thank you for correcting me on when the Olympic Event occurred. I don't understand why the draft would state "Known to have represented India at the Tokyo 2020 Olympics" if he only attended an Olympic Karate Event in 2021. [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 18:00, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::::The HT article speaks about his previous achievements marking him as a qualifiable athlete as per qualification guidelines.
::::::::::::The Olympic Event comes under the aegis of Tokyo Olympiad which ocurred on 2021. Hence, the athletes representation was passed by the NOC, that means that the athlete was not attending as "Bhaskar Sen" but "Bhaskar Sen(India)" as given in Olympic Organization Rules of 2021 released by LOC. [[User:Mayukhsenkar|Mayukhsenkar]] ([[User talk:Mayukhsenkar|talk]]) 20:20, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::::@[[User:Mayukhsenkar|Mayukhsenkar]] While the HT article speaks about his previous achievements, it does not explicitly state that those achievements mark him as a qualifiable athlete as per qualification guidelines. Your draft should summarize what the published reliable sources state, without you adding any personal knowledge. [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 22:26, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::::::The reliable sources which are mentioned in the draft are primary, i.e. they are primarily obtained from the athlete and the others paragraphs contain information on his qualification trail, which details the stages and route. The published reliable sources state so in full. None of the statements are personal remarks but statements from sources and as released from Olympic bodies. [[User:Mayukhsenkar|Mayukhsenkar]] ([[User talk:Mayukhsenkar|talk]]) 08:20, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::@[[User:Mayukhsenkar|Mayukhsenkar]] If the sources say that he meets the qualifications for being selected to the Olympics, but do not explicitly say that he ''was'' selected, then you are making an inference, which is [[wp:Synthesis]] and the source doesn't support the statement. [[User:David10244|David10244]] ([[User talk:David10244|talk]]) 12:59, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::@[[User:Mayukhsenkar|Mayukhsenkar]] Also, don't miss Cullen328's important note: "He did not compete in the Olympics. Olympic Athletes 365 is a developmental program that includes a wide range of athletes, not just Olympic competitors." Olympic development events are not the Olympics. [[User:David10244|David10244]] ([[User talk:David10244|talk]]) 13:06, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::The NOC approved Karate India's participation in the Olympics as can be seen in the present sources, also please refer to the Sportdata point system which show he gained points which make him qualify, Olympic Pre-event is under Tokyo 2020 LOC, which means he did participate, the same happened for all other "additional sports" like sport climbing, baseball etc.
:::::::::::::::::I think the reviewers and Teahouse counter-argue-ers are missing the Point. Olympic 365 did not organize the event for which he has been made noteworthy. The event itself is Olympic 2020. Olympic 365 being any program IS a program under the IOC, where mentorship is only for Olympians in WOA. Please consider. [[User:Mayukhsenkar|Mayukhsenkar]] ([[User talk:Mayukhsenkar|talk]]) 15:56, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::@[[User:Mayukhsenkar|Mayukhsenkar]], you have not produced any reliable sources which refer to the subject as an Olympic athlete. You have not even produced sources which directly state that he participated in Olympic-affiliated events. It seems that you are relying on your own [[WP:OR|original research]] into [[WP:primary|primary sources]]. That is not allowed here on Wikipedia, and will only result in your draft continuing to be declined. [[Special:Contributions/199.208.172.35|199.208.172.35]] ([[User talk:199.208.172.35|talk]]) 16:17, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::::The original draft does contain reference to the Olympic Athlete, I provide resources and sources here which "corroborate" the fact. The same corroboration is present for other noteworthy athlete who are approved on Wiki. The "original research" was only to corroborate and support the claim. The original research is not "emailing the IOC for a comment on his participation". All sources are secondary in nature. [[User:Mayukhsenkar|Mayukhsenkar]] ([[User talk:Mayukhsenkar|talk]]) 18:15, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::::@[[User:Mayukhsenkar|Mayukhsenkar]], please read [[WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS]] - the existence of other poorly-sourced articles does not justify including more poorly-sourced articles. So far, you have provided (here) no sources which corroborate your claims. Do you have other sources you haven't presented here yet? [[Special:Contributions/199.208.172.35|199.208.172.35]] ([[User talk:199.208.172.35|talk]]) 18:28, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::::::I think Olympic qualification happening thru sportdata can not be categorized as poor. Citing qualification rules is not poor, athlete belonging to WOA is not poor, NOC's list for Tokyo 2020 is not poor. The article is not poorly sourced as defined by WP: VERIFICATION, YKA as a source has been listed for other athletes, SK is a regularly cited source, HT is a national daily. WKF is the world body. The said source already sets the claim. [[User:Mayukhsenkar|Mayukhsenkar]] ([[User talk:Mayukhsenkar|talk]]) 18:36, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::::::@[[User:Mayukhsenkar|Mayukhsenkar]], none of those will be useful here. You must provide a reliable source which ''directly states'' that the subject represented India at the 2020 Tokyo Olympics. Not a combination or analysis of other sources which ''implies'' it. Do you have such a source? [[Special:Contributions/199.208.172.35|199.208.172.35]] ([[User talk:199.208.172.35|talk]]) 18:44, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::::::::Two of the Sources in the article state explicitly he represented India. The Counter-argument here was regarding performance measure, which has been clarified, then the question was regarding sources for significant coverage, which has been clarified again.
:::::::::::::::::::::::'Implying' would be the act of deduction. Which is primary according to WP: Citation.
:::::::::::::::::::::::I have simply corroborated, thru media and Sportdata, which are all secondary. [[User:Mayukhsenkar|Mayukhsenkar]] ([[User talk:Mayukhsenkar|talk]]) 18:49, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::::::::@[[User:Mayukhsenkar|Mayukhsenkar]], please give us, here, the two sources which state that he represented India at the 2020 Tokyo Olympics. I assume they are not the same as the sources already posted above. [[Special:Contributions/199.208.172.35|199.208.172.35]] ([[User talk:199.208.172.35|talk]]) 18:55, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::::::::::The two sources are the ones which have been given in the article in question. https://www.youthkiawaaz.com/2021/08/bhaskar-becomes-the-first-indian-to-attend-the-olympic-karate-event/, https://readscoops.com/sports/bhaskar-sen-karate-olympic-hero/. The sources already cited in this Trail were corroboration of his qualification and endorsement from the NOC. [[User:Mayukhsenkar|Mayukhsenkar]] ([[User talk:Mayukhsenkar|talk]]) 09:17, 26 January 2023 (UTC)


== Restoring previously unmerged articles ==
== Deleting redirect ==


I would like to create a new article but it [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Cyprus%E2%80%93Jordan%20relations&redirect=no once existed back in 2009] and got merged without consensus. Is it okay if I restore the article but with more and better sources from [[User:Underdwarf58/sandbox|my sandbox]] later on? Because one user tried to restore a merged article and it got immediately undone because a consensus existed to merge it. I'm not saying that I'll do it right now as it's still unfinished but I need to ask because if I can't then I'll just cancel. [[User:Underdwarf58|Underdwarf58]] ([[User talk:Underdwarf58|talk]]) 00:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
I am now in the midst of a debate that has been going on for days about deleting an [[History of the Palestine national football team|unnecessary redirect]]. I simply ask to delete it in order to create it from scratch. It shouldn't cause all this unnecessary headache at all. The reviewers refuse to delete it on the grounds that I have to create a draft. God... Does this make sense?? In other words, they want to be sure that the redirect will not remain a red link, and they prefer it to remain as it is, in order to verify that there is a ready draft. What step do you suggest?&nbsp;[[User:Sakiv|Sakiv]] ([[User talk:Sakiv|talk]]) 18:19, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
:{{u|Sakiv}}, next step is write the draft and then either submit to [[WP:AfC]] or move the draft to mainspace. [[WP:RM]] can help with the technical parts if you have a draft that is ready for Mainspace and do not want to submit to AfC. There is no reason to delete the redirect in anticipation of an article as several editors have explained in edit summaries. [[User:Slywriter|Slywriter]] ([[User talk:Slywriter|talk]]) 18:26, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
::In which policy it is written that the redirect stays forever unless there is a draft? You are not familiar with the matter. The same method was used to create articles after I requested their deletion. The creator of these redirect is still doing this to create similar problems in the future.--[[User:Sakiv|Sakiv]] ([[User talk:Sakiv|talk]]) 18:30, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
:::Hello, {{u|Sakiv}}. It is not a matter of written policy as much as simple logic and best practices. Redirects are for the benefit of readers looking for information. The redirect should be deleted when an acceptable article is ready to replace it. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 18:37, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
::::{{reply to|Cullen328|Sakiv}} Is it actually necessary to delete this redirect? It is possible to turn the redirect into an article by [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=History_of_the_Palestine_national_football_team&action=edit editing the page] instead of deleting it. [[User:Jarble|Jarble]] ([[User talk:Jarble|talk]]) 19:39, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|Sakiv}} We generally only delete redirects if there is an existing saved page which needs to be moved there. Otherwise the redirect can just be turned into an article as Jarble said. See [[Help:Redirect#Creating and editing redirects]]. You will not be registered as the page creator but does that matter? [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 20:36, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Jarble|Jarble]] Suppose someone edits the page to change it from a redirect into an article, but the page is not great--no references, etc. What happens then? Does someone who is patrolling page changes then need to revert it back to a redirect? [[User:David10244|David10244]] ([[User talk:David10244|talk]]) 02:10, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
::::::{{ping|David10244}} He won't even answer our questions and resumed his odd creation of redirects after a short break. This behaviour is unaccaptable. [[User:Sakiv|Sakiv]] ([[User talk:Sakiv|talk]]) 21:12, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Sakiv|Sakiv]] Yes, if I am reading this right, he is oddly fixated on having the redirect removed before his draft is accepted to replace it. There is no reason for that. [[User:David10244|David10244]] ([[User talk:David10244|talk]]) 13:08, 25 January 2023 (UTC)


:There's very little about the original subject 'Cyprus–Jordan relations' in [[Foreign relations of Cyprus]] that it was merged into, so ''I'' think that if ''you'' think you have enough [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|Reliably sourced]] material (bearing in mind there's also been another 15 years of history) you should go ahead and create a new [[Wikipedia:Drafts|Draft]] on the subject, via the normal [[Wikipedia:Articles for creation]] process, which can be submitted for assessment. Good luck! {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} [[Special:Contributions/94.1.223.204|94.1.223.204]] ([[User talk:94.1.223.204|talk]]) 04:11, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
== Pending review vs creating an article directly ==


== template ==
I just submitted my first [[Draft:The Jaws of Life (Pierce the Veil album)|article]] for review, and I realized after that I could have just published the article myself since I am an autoconfirmed user. What would happen if I were to publish it now? Would it be taken down since it is still under review or would it cancel the review since it is no longer a draft? Or is it just a bad idea entirely to move it myself since this is my first article? Any advice would be appreciated. [[User:Ptarmica|Ptarmica]] ([[User talk:Ptarmica|talk]]) 20:40, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
:Going through the AfC process can be considered lower risk than creating an article in mainspace, the reason being that the latter are seived via New Pages Patrol ([[WP:NPP]]), seen as having less patience than Reviewers. (Yes, I meant "seived.") [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 21:06, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
::That is good to know. I will just let it go through AfC in that case. Thank you! [[User:Ptarmica|Ptarmica]] ([[User talk:Ptarmica|talk]]) 21:20, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
:::Happy to accept, just need to wait for the redirect to be deleted, I've tagged it. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong|talk]]) 21:25, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
::::Thank you! I am very excited to hear that. [[User:Ptarmica|Ptarmica]] ([[User talk:Ptarmica|talk]]) 21:42, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
::@[[User:David notMD|David notMD]] Not "sieved"? I thought it was related to "sieve". [[User:David10244|David10244]] ([[User talk:David10244|talk]]) 13:12, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
::::Oy. Yes, "sieved". I typed "seived" into Google to check definition and missed that it had first corrected spelling to "sieved." [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 15:54, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
:::::<small>Just ask Aritosthenes how it's spelled...</small> [[User:David10244|David10244]] ([[User talk:David10244|talk]]) 05:14, 26 January 2023 (UTC)


Hello, I'm need of some assistance with creating a Wikipedia page about a music artist. Can anyone advise which template to use? [[User:RATHOMP|RATHOMP]] ([[User talk:RATHOMP|talk]]) 02:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
== Why did Wikipedia had a very few redesigns? ==


:look at other Wikipedia pages about music artists ... [[Special:Contributions/69.181.17.113|69.181.17.113]] ([[User talk:69.181.17.113|talk]]) 04:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
After looking at [[Vector 2022]] respectively on this site, I began to notice something. Only Wikipedia had websites redesigned in 2003, 2005, 2011, and recently, 2022. Unfortunately, this site hasn't been redesigned very often and frequently, I was expecting this site to be renovated at a constant pace, but it didn't. There are very few website redesigns in Wikipedia, although there are minor updates that added some of these features. So, try to give me a reason why this site layout hasn't been majorly changed very often and instead seldom, and try to give me an example of how this site could be updated to the latest. I really wanted to know how. [[Special:Contributions/204.129.232.191|204.129.232.191]] ([[User talk:204.129.232.191|talk]]) 21:32, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
::Hello, IP user, and welcome to the Teahouse. From your question, I suspect that you are focussing on the layout of your proposed article (I'm guessing that that's what you mean by a "template" - we use the word a bit differently here). But while the layout of an article is important, it is MUCH less important than the quality of the sources used. Until you have found adequate sources to establish that the artist meets Wikipedia's criteria for [[WP:notability|}], it's pointless spending any time thinking about the content or the layout. To use a house-building analogy, you may have an idea for what you want your house to look like, and even a plan; but until you've surveyed the site to make sure it's fit to build on, and checked that your plans meet local building regulations, it would be a waste of effort to start building.
::More generally, {{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}} [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 10:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:Is there a specific place you're currently working on the article at? I can't seem to find it on your userpage as a subpage. For advice, I'd recommend looking at other music artist articles (specifically various quality articles from [[The Beatles]] [FA] to [[Sepultura]] [C-class]) for general outlines on how to write it. For infoboxes, use <nowiki>{{infobox musical artist}}</nowiki> and fill out the template using it's template page at [[Template:Infobox musical artist]]. For general advice on writing, see Wikipedia's content policies and guidelines, I'd recommend WP:Nutshell as a starting point.
:Thanks, [[User: Sparkle &#38; Fade|''Sparkle and Fade'']] <sup>[[User_talk:Sparkle &#38; Fade|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Sparkle &#38; Fade|edits]]</sub> 08:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC)


== how can I rigth a article in wikipedia ==
:Hello, IP user. Most of the people who hang out on this Teahouse are editors, and have little or not involvement with the software or user interface. [[WP:VPT]] is probably a better place to ask this. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 21:57, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
:@[[Special:Contributions/204.129.232.191|204.129.232.191]] - I reckon the reason is just because it's really hard to redesign Wikipedia in a way that makes people happy. Vector 2022 is probably the most controversial redesign yet, but Vector 2010 was very controversial in its time. Heck, Timeless was basically canned due to the problem of being unable to make everyone happy. (Honestly, I prefer Timeless to Vector 2022... so if they ever remove Vector 2010, which they probably won't, that's what you'll likely find me using.) [[User talk:Casualdejekyll|<span style="color:#E6007A">casualdejekyll</span>]] 22:55, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
::@[[User:Casualdejekyll|Casualdejekyll]] @[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] But, could you please go deep further on Vector 2022 and why did Wikipedia had website layout changed in 2003, 2005, and 2011? I saw this timeline in this page on Wikimedia Foundation that explains the history of that. [[Special:Contributions/204.129.232.191|204.129.232.191]] ([[User talk:204.129.232.191|talk]]) 16:28, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
:::IP editor, this is not something hosts at the Teahouse are likely to know. It would be better to direct your question to [[WP:VPT]] as suggested above. [[Special:Contributions/199.208.172.35|199.208.172.35]] ([[User talk:199.208.172.35|talk]]) 17:16, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
:::@[[Special:Contributions/204.129.232.191|204.129.232.191]] - Pre-2003 Wikipedia looked like [https://nostalgia.wikipedia.org/wiki/HomePage this], which is undoubtedbly why a redesign was neccesary. I think you can see why that isn't considered user friendly by any modern standard.{{pb}}The switch from Monobook (2004) to Vector (2010) was motivated by the same reasons that people want to replace Vector with Timeless (2015-2018) and later Vector 2022 - usability. Vector was primarily the product of [https://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Usability_Initiative the Wikipedia Usability Initiative (2009-2011)]. I'm using too many years, probably. [[User talk:Casualdejekyll|<span style="color:#E6007A">casualdejekyll</span>]] 18:01, 24 January 2023 (UTC)


how can I rigth [[User:Daniel Muanga|Daniel Muanga]] ([[User talk:Daniel Muanga|talk]]) 03:49, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Commercial websites that are trying to sell you products and services frequently redesign their sites in order to keep up with trends and fashion in design, and to keep their sites "fresh" and "relevant", in order to help attract new customers. Wikipedia doesn't need to do any of that - it exists to present (mostly) textual information to people who want to read it (and, to a lesser extent, edit it). Therefore the only real drivers to change the way the site is presented are improvements in accessibility (including, e.g., navigation, presentation of information for visually impaired users, etc.) and to accommodate the different types of devices used to access Wikipedia (computer monitors, then smartphones, then tablets, etc.) In other words, we don't change the site just because we can, we change it when there are tangible benefits to end users in the changes made. [[User:Bastun|<span style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif">Bastun</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Bastun|Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!]]</sup> 14:53, 25 January 2023 (UTC)


:[[Wikipedia:Article wizard]]
:Oh, alright then, I need to understand that. [[Special:Contributions/204.129.232.191|204.129.232.191]] ([[User talk:204.129.232.191|talk]]) 16:29, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
:[[Special:Contributions/69.181.17.113|69.181.17.113]] ([[User talk:69.181.17.113|talk]]) 04:39, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::New editors are strongly advised to first gain skills by doing time improving existing articles. References required. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 05:39, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:See [[Help:Referencing for beginners|referencing for beginners]]. When editing, think twice, preview before publishing (maybe even twice) and take responsibility. [[User:Cwater1|Cwater1]] ([[User talk:Cwater1|talk]]) 16:48, 5 January 2025 (UTC)


== Find a Grave = WP:RS ? ==
== Professional athlete ==


Is [[Find a Grave]] = [[WP:RS]] ?
I represent a professional athlete who would be deserving of a wikipedia page but is not listed. Just his father comes up who was also a pro athlete. Can I speak to someone to request this inclusion? [[User:Haroldk12|Haroldk12]] ([[User talk:Haroldk12|talk]]) 21:35, 23 January 2023 (UTC)


[[Special:Contributions/69.181.17.113|69.181.17.113]] ([[User talk:69.181.17.113|talk]]) 04:37, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:[[User:Haroldk12|Haroldk12]]:
:{{welcometea}} Please consult [[Wikipedia:FINDAGRAVE]]. —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;) 05:03, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:# Assuming you are being paid by the athlete, you will need to disclose your [[WP:PAID|conflict of interest]].
:The answer is "no" because Find a Grave consists of user generated content, and is specifically mentioned in the [[WP:USERGENERATED]] section of the reliable sources guideline as a source that should not be used as a reference on Wikipedia. That does not mean that Find a Grave is of no value to Wikipedia editors. You may be able to find nuggets in those listings that will inform your searches about various people. Some but not all Find a Grave listings include references to reliable sources, and those sources may be useful as Wikipedia references. One thing that Find a Grave can teach editors is that many people down through the years share the same name, and we need to be very careful to avoid including biographical details about one Andrew Wilson in an article about another Andrew Wilson. That's just one of countless examples. I have been working on [[Andrew Stephen Wilson]] today, so that's why I chose that example.. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 06:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:# If there are no [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] that talk about your client, AND [[WP:NATHLETE]] is not met, then there is no article to be made. Wikipedia is built on [[WP:GNG|in depth, independent, reliable, secondary sources]]. [[User:Sungodtemple|Sungodtemple]] ([[User talk:Sungodtemple|talk]] &#8226; [[Special:Contributions/Sungodtemple|contribs]]) 21:57, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
:Hello, Haroldk12. You might also find it instructive to read [[WP:an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing|an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing]]. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 22:03, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
:@[[User:Haroldk12|Haroldk12]] Hello, welcome to the teahouse. For creating an article, you need to provide [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|Reliable sources]] to prove it has enough [[wikipedia:Notability|Notability]]. If you are paid by someone, please disclose your [[WP:COI|Conflict of interests]]. Happy editing. [[User:Lemonaka|Lemonaka]] ([[User talk:Lemonaka|talk]]) 00:53, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
::Thanks much. This is just a professional baseball player who we know. Where do I supply the links of articles about him for a page to get approved and developed? [[User:Haroldk12|Haroldk12]] ([[User talk:Haroldk12|talk]]) 18:28, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Haroldk12|Haroldk12]] Wikipedia is run by volunteers. You can post your best three reliable, in depth, independent, published sources here and ask for an opinion on whether the athlete is [[wp:n|notable]] as Wikipedia defines it. It will be up to you to actually write a draft article, which will then be reviewed and maybe turned into a permanent article. Please click and read [[wp:yfa|your first article]].
:::It is possible that by posting some sources here, you will interest someone to write a draft. But this is unlikely, so you may have to do the work yourself.
:::Also, please do not use any outside services that claim to write Wikipedia articles for money. Some of these outfits are scams, and some of them will take your money and then write a draft that eventually gets deleted for not meeting the standards described in the links that various editors have given here (the words in color). Hope this helps. [[User:David10244|David10244]] ([[User talk:David10244|talk]]) 13:29, 25 January 2023 (UTC)


== Hello -- I would like to start helping, but I'm having trouble finding what to do! ==
== Gumball ==


I see lots of support for ultra basics, but I know what the concept is, and how to edit, and how to make italics and hyperlinks, and that I should use a neutral voice, etc. I am trying to find some guidance on WHAT to contribute. I found the Typo Team (or at least, [[Wikipedia:Typo Team/moss/D|this typo team]]), but I haven't found guidance on interacting with it. (Do I delete entries if I resolve them? Yesterday I found many entries to check, but today none of the articles seem to HAVE the potential typo that was listed, or even a fixed version). I have found [[mediawikiwiki:Growth/FAQ#|this Growth page]], but can't get the features working. For example, it says to enable the Help panel in the Editing tab, but I don't see such a thing in the Editing tab. I also can't find "Display newcomer homepage" in my user preferences. Similar with Suggested Edits -- how can I "use <code>Special:NewcomerTasksInfo</code>"? Etc., etc. I must be missing some key piece of advice -- where can I figure out how to get things rolling? [[User:Skmccormick|SKM]] ([[User talk:Skmccormick|talk]]) 05:08, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
I recently found a tweet saying that there was a seventh 7 of [[The Amazing World of Gumball]], so why does it have a final episode date instead of a "present" there? I'm asking before I make this change. P.S. [[The Amazing World of Gumball#Future|It's even in here.]] [[User:Sirhewlett|Sirhewlett]] ([[User talk:Sirhewlett|talk]]) 00:26, 24 January 2023 (UTC)


:Hello @[[User:Skmccormick|Skmccormick]]. [[WP:volunteer|As a volunteer project]], you're free to do whatever you wanna do best. Want to copyedit a bunch of articles and bring our grammar up to shape? Join the [[WP:goce|Guild of Copy Editors]] and go wild. Wanna fight vandalism? Go patrol [[Special:RecentChanges]] and stop those dang vandals! Wanna go help out that typo team? Go right ahead. It's your choice. [[User:Tarlby|<span style="color:cyan;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">''Tarl''</span><span style="color:orange;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">''by''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Tarlby|''t'']]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tarlby|''c'']])</sup> 05:26, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:I have changed my mind, I will use that source to put "present" there. [[User:Sirhewlett|Sirhewlett]] ([[User talk:Sirhewlett|talk]]) 00:29, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
::@[[User:Skmccormick|Skmccormick]]
:@[[User:Sirhewlett|Sirhewlett]] Welcome to the Teahouse. Your question is best addressed at the article's talk page. But if any seventh series has been produced, but not yet released or aired, then it seems clear the statements around the series finale are still relevant. That 7th series might never air - so I'd have thought it best to wait until it does. [[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] ([[User talk:Nick Moyes|talk]]) 00:33, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
::*You should find display user homepage at the bottom of [[Special:Preferences]], "User profile" tab.
::Oh, I apologize. Just revert the "present" thing for me. [[User:Sirhewlett|Sirhewlett]] ([[User talk:Sirhewlett|talk]]) 00:47, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
::*If I wanted to interact with the typo team, my first place to try would be [[Wikipedia talk:Typo Team]].
:::@[[User:Sirhewlett|Sirhewlett]] I changed the end date back to what it was. Also, we don't know who tweeted (I don't see a reference), plus, tweets can only be used in very limited circumstances. I left your other changes alone. [[User:David10244|David10244]] ([[User talk:David10244|talk]]) 04:04, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
:::Also please see [[WP:PRESENT]]. [[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]]|[[User talk:Shantavira|<sup>feed me</sup>]] 09:11, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
::*Have you found [[WP:TASKS]] and [[WP:REQUEST]]? [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 07:28, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Thank you! These links are helpful. I found "display user homepage" under User Profile. So maybe a silly question, but: how do I find this user homepage? I don't really go to Wikipedia generically, I usually jump straight to an article. Tasks and Requests seem like what I'm looking for. [[User:Skmccormick|SKM]] ([[User talk:Skmccormick|talk]]) 01:47, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::The link should be right at the top of every page when you're logged in, in the same place/menu as the link to your userpage. -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 02:05, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Skmccormick|Skmccormick]], do you have any particular topics that you'd like to edit about? One way to find a lot of articles that need help is to go through our various maintenance backlogs (Gråbergs Gråa Sång has already linked you to [[WP:TASKS]]). Some people are content to plug away at a particular backlog chronologically, but if you prefer to edit on things you're generally interested in, it's helpful to filter these by wikiproject. Alternatively, do you have any particular skills or outside knowledge that might be helpful here? There's always demand for multilingual editors, the copyright folks are always backlogged, etc. -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 10:16, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you. I would prefer to get into the groove with smaller contributions before I start throwing any weight around. Sadly, I cannot offer multilingual help; I am American. I'm mostly having trouble navigating the various pages and internal tools like TASKS or RecentChanges (anything labeled "Special:" is still new to me). [[User:Skmccormick|SKM]] ([[User talk:Skmccormick|talk]]) 01:50, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::I'm a fan of [[:Category:Wikipedia introduction cleanup]] as a newbie task - not ''small'', exactly, but hey, no time like the present to learn to [[WP:BEBOLD]]. You don't (or shouldn't) need to do any research to fix these articles - most of them are here because they are tagged with "lead too short". Find one of those, read the article, then rewrite the lead so it summarizes it accurately. Then remove the tag. All this requires is good English literacy, and since the lead is what most people read and what is used in the google knowledge box etc, it's a high-impact change that requires very little wiki-knowledge. -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 02:16, 1 January 2025 (UTC)


== Different images for Light/Dark mode ==
== I have given all citations available online. ==


Yet my submission has gotten declined. How must I improve, should I just make a simpler page with lesser details? am a beginner and I find it hard to decide what must stay on the page and what must be let go. I added everything I definitely know is right [[User:MadhwaItihasa|MadhwaItihasa]] ([[User talk:MadhwaItihasa|talk]]) 10:57, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
Is there any way to tell Wikipedia to display different images / media for Light vs Dark mode users? Due to transparency, some SVG and PNG images have bad contrast when viewed in Dark mode. [[User:CrushedAsian255|CrushedAsian255]] ([[User talk:CrushedAsian255|talk]]) 06:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)


:@[[User:CrushedAsian255|CrushedAsian255]] This question is likely to have a better audience at [[WP:VPT]]. That board has a more technically oriented team than here. 🇺🇦&nbsp;[[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk&nbsp;to&nbsp;me</small></sup>]]&nbsp;🇺🇦 09:26, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:MadhwaItihasa|MadhwaItihasa]]: Welcome to the Teahouse. I assume you are referring to [[Draft:Panganama Timmanna Dasa]]. As {{u|DoubleGrazing}} wrote when they declined the draft, the problem is that most paragraphs do not contain a reference. While the draft has a number of references, they also need to be placed at the end of each part of text they [[WP:V|verify]] so that readers can easily check the sources themselves. If you look at how other Wikipedia articles (like [[WP:TFA|today's featured article]] [[Galton Bridge]]) are written, you will notice footnotes at the end of most statements. I suggest you edit your draft again by placing the footnotes (most of which are in the first paragraph) at the relevant places in the text (you can use a footnote multiple times, see [[Help:Footnotes]] for more details) and then resubmitting it for review using the button in the template. Regards [[User:SoWhy|<span style="color:#7A2F2F;font-variant:small-caps">So</span>]][[User talk:SoWhy|<span style="color:#474F84;font-variant:small-caps">Why</span>]] 11:11, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
::@[[User:MadhwaItihasa|MadhwaItihasa]] - see [[WP:Citing sources]] for a more thorough explanation of this [[User talk:Casualdejekyll|<span style="color:#E6007A">casualdejekyll</span>]] 14:23, 24 January 2023 (UTC)


== Wider vs specific consensus ==
== Infobox for UK based "campaigning organisation" that's not nonprofit ==


Can a case-specific consensus triumph a wider topic consensus already established? Not that consensus over wider topic is changed but maybe because that case is viewed from a different perspective. [[User:ExclusiveEditor|<span style="background:linear-gradient(to right,#FF7043,#FFCC80);color:#fff;padding:4px 8px;border-top-left-radius:6px;border-bottom-left-radius:6px;font-size:12px;font-weight:bold;box-shadow:0 2px 4px rgba(0,0,0,.2);text-transform:uppercase;">Exclusive</span><span style="background:linear-gradient(to right,#263238,#37474F);color:#fff;padding:4px 8px;border-top-right-radius:6px;border-bottom-right-radius:6px;font-size:12px;font-weight:bold;box-shadow:0 2px 4px rgba(0,0,0,.2);text-transform:uppercase;margin-left:-1px;">Editor</span>]] [[User talk:ExclusiveEditor|<sub style="font-size:11px;color:#757575;font-style:italic;letter-spacing:.5px;">🔔 Ping Me!</sub>]] 07:33, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
I'm editing [[Big Brother Watch]], which was described as a nonprofit but doesn't seem to be- There's no source which describes it as such, and it's a limited liability company(LTD) with two shareholders. It is a campaigning organisation, so it seems infobox_organisation is apropreate, but I'm not sure on the type. The examples are all nonprofit, government, or international- This is just a privatley run lobbying organisation. I moved to the company infobox, but I think organisation is more accurate, I just don't know the correct details. [[User:Adacable|Adacable]] ([[User talk:Adacable|talk]]) 13:48, 24 January 2023 (UTC)


:@[[User:ExclusiveEditor|ExclusiveEditor]] I doubt it. Were that to be the case we would not have consistency of operation. This question is likely to have a better audience at [[WP:VPP]]. That board has a more policy oriented team than here 🇺🇦&nbsp;[[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk&nbsp;to&nbsp;me</small></sup>]]&nbsp;🇺🇦 09:28, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:ok "Advocacy group" seems to be correct. [[User:Adacable|Adacable]] ([[User talk:Adacable|talk]]) 14:00, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
:Hello, @[[User:ExclusiveEditor|ExclusiveEditor]], and welcome to the Teahouse. While I agree with FiddleFaddle's advice, I would also remark that general questions like yours are very frustrating for people who attempt to answer questions here. If you explain the specific issue you want guidance on, you are much more likely to get a useful answer (and also be less likely to be suspected of [[WP:wikilawyering|wikilawyering]]).
:I am aware of the possible irony in my answer, given your question. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 10:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks for replying! Being a half-host on Teahouse myself I get you. I was inspired to ask this question by the discussion happening [[Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates#(Posted_blurb)_RD/Blurb_Jimmy_Carter|here]]. The latter part of the discussion specifically focuses on if 'Nobel prize' should be added or not in Jimmy Carter's death blurb on Main page's ITN section. It was initially proposed by the nominator and many supported it (albeit not mentioning specifically the Nobel prize) and it got posted without the mention of the prize. However later there was some more scrambling, this time with more regard to the Nobel prize and so it currently updated to include the prize in the blurb. The opposers are generally arguing that it is editorializing and other things. I may not be very good in summarizing discussions, so I left it in the question. --{{User:ExclusiveEditor/Signature}} 10:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)


== How to upload a >100 MB file to Wikipedia? ==
== Stuck in mobile view ==


I've uploaded plenty of files to Commons before, but I've only uploaded a few (non-free) files to WP. I would like to upload a short film that will become public domain in the US at the start of 2025 (won't be PD in its country of origin for a few years, so no uploading it to commons), but the file is over 100 MB, the maximum file size listed on the [[Special:Upload|upload page]]. I don't want to compress it any more than it already is, so how to I get around this? I've seen several films large than 100 MB on WP already ([[:File:The Adventures of Prince Achmed (1926).webm|1]], [[:File:The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari (1920).webm|2]]), so it must be possible.
Hello,


Any help with this is greatly appreciated. Thanks. — [[User:Toast for Teddy|Toast for Teddy]] ([[User talk:Toast for Teddy|talk]]) 07:48, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
I seem to be stuck in mobile view on my desktop. There is a lot of whitespace and it's difficult to navigate, looks like it does on my phone.


:@[[User:Toast for Teddy|Toast for Teddy]] This question is likely to have a better audience at [[WP:VPT]]. That board has a more technically oriented team than here 🇺🇦&nbsp;[[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk&nbsp;to&nbsp;me</small></sup>]]&nbsp;🇺🇦 09:26, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
How do I switch out?
::@[[User:Toast for Teddy|Toast for Teddy]] That first file you linked was uploaded with the aid of a userscript discussed at [[:Commons:User talk:Rillke/bigChunkedUpload.js]]. I don't pretend to understand the details, but you may ;-) [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 14:27, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:Even if you're uploading "locally", [[commons:Commons:Upload tools|Commons:Upload tools]] is likely helpful. All the projects use the same [[MediaWiki]] software, all that needs adjustment is the destination for the upload. --[[User:Slowking Man|Slowking Man]] ([[User talk:Slowking Man|talk]]) 20:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)


== Editing a sandbox, references number is doubling ==
Thanks. [[Special:Contributions/2600:100E:B014:8A53:D483:A0DB:600F:450C|2600:100E:B014:8A53:D483:A0DB:600F:450C]] ([[User talk:2600:100E:B014:8A53:D483:A0DB:600F:450C|talk]]) 15:00, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
:If you really are in mobile view then click "Desktop" at the bottom of the page. The default desktop skin was changed recently so maybe you already are in desktop. You can only get the old desktop skin back if you have an account so your preference can be saved. See [[Wikipedia:Vector 2022#How to turn off the new skin]]. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 15:31, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
:Welcome to the Teahouse! If the URL of the Wikipedia page you're visiting starts with "en.m.wikipedia.org", then you are on the mobile site. You can remove the ".m" to go to the regular version of the website, which has recently changed. See [[Wikipedia:Vector 2022]] for information about the changes. [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 17:07, 24 January 2023 (UTC)


Hi there! I was editing my [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:Andrea_Biographer/sandbox&action=submit#Gridspertise sandbox] and for some reasons all the different references I am adding are doubling the number of them and the previous ones are not disappeared. I was following your suggestions to add COI edit to my text, eliminating the internal sources and the bold words. Can you help me or it is just a matter of viewing and once I publish the sand box they will all disappear? [[User:Andrea Biographer|Andrea Biographer]] ([[User talk:Andrea Biographer|talk]]) 09:10, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
== becoming an editor ==


:Hi @[[User:Andrea Biographer|Andrea Biographer]]: it seems that with [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:Andrea_Biographer/sandbox&diff=prev&oldid=1266218280 this edit] you've duplicated the contents by pasting an earlier edit into the page, thus embedding a copy of the entire page within the page (if that makes sense). You should undo your most recent edits up to and including that one. Or if you'd like me to do it, let me know. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 09:16, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
I have started the course for becoming an editor and have edited 10 docs but can't find how to move on to the next stage, see going round in circles. Also I can't see how to do cut and paste when editing. Any help appreciated [[User:GCmatters|GCmatters]] ([[User talk:GCmatters|talk]]) 15:15, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
::Hi @[[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]], thanks for your prompt answer! I think you made sense, could you check and fix this for me? I don't want to commit any further mistakes in the editing process or in the COI different templates, thanks in advance! Andrea [[User:Andrea Biographer|Andrea Biographer]] ([[User talk:Andrea Biographer|talk]]) 09:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::User:Theroadislong has already sorted this out. Also, your draft is now located at [[Draft:Gridspertise]]. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 10:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)


== how to give feedback ==
:Hi @[[User:GCmatters|GCmatters]] and welcome to Teahouse. The first edit you did already made you an editor. You can navigate to articles of your choice and fix common errors in them or add more better content in them. If you are looking forward to creating new articles, please go through [[WP:YFA]]. Best, ─ [[User:TheAafi|<span style="color:SteelBlue">The Aafī</span>]] [[User talk:TheAafi|<span style="color:#80A0FF">(talk)</span>]] 15:28, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
::thanks Teahouse, what about cutting and pasting ? [[User:GCmatters|GCmatters]] ([[User talk:GCmatters|talk]]) 15:35, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
:Welcome to Wikipedia, {{yo|GCmatters}}! You are now an autoconfirmed user as your account is four days old and you have made ten edits. I'm unfamiliar with the Wikipedia Adventure, but it's not required to complete. Regarding your second question, to copy and paste when editing, just use Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V as you would anywhere else (or Cmd-C and Cmd-V if you are using a Mac). – [[User:Dudhhr|dudhhr]]<small><sup>&nbsp;[[User talk:Dudhhr|talk]]</sup>&nbsp;<sub>[[Special:Contribs/Dudhhr|contribs]]</sub></small>&nbsp;(he/they) 15:31, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
::thanks a bunch [[User:GCmatters|GCmatters]] ([[User talk:GCmatters|talk]]) 15:36, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
:::You're welcome! :) – [[User:Dudhhr|dudhhr]]<small><sup>&nbsp;[[User talk:Dudhhr|talk]]</sup>&nbsp;<sub>[[Special:Contribs/Dudhhr|contribs]]</sub></small>&nbsp;(he/they) 15:36, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
::::{{ping|GCmatters}} Cut, copy and paste are browser features, not Wikipedia features, so it depends on your browser or device. You can probably also mark text and right-click to select cut or copy, and later right-click a position and select paste. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 15:38, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
:::::thanks, thats useful [[User:GCmatters|GCmatters]] ([[User talk:GCmatters|talk]]) 15:50, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
::::::Many editors cut/paste an article's section into their own Sandbox, fix it there (including creating properly formated references), and then paste into article. Cut/paste from one Wikipedia article into another is allowed as long as the Edit summary provides attribution. Do not cut/paste from copyright protected sources. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 22:37, 24 January 2023 (UTC)


i had a question on why an article was written and sent it to info@ wikipedia. they told me that I needed to engage in the "talk" feature and ask the editors, since wikipedia is only a platform. I did that and not only was the answer not given I was ridiculed, because I am not actually sure why. I am not interested in editing wikipedia, I am only interested in engaging with the editors, to understand inconsistencies. How exactly would I do that, if I should not be using the talk feature.
== How do I get another user to stop restoring their unsourced content and teach them about BURDEN? ==
thanks [[User:Mommer264|Mommer264]] ([[User talk:Mommer264|talk]]) 12:34, 31 December 2024 (UTC)


:Hello. Discussion about an article usually takes place on its talk page. Discussion with an editor directly can occur on their user talk page.
Hello.
:Note that your only other edit was about the Israeli-Arab/Palestinian conflict, which is [[WP:CTOP|a topic area with special rules]] that I will notify you of on your user talk page. One of those is that you must be an experienced user in order to make edits to any type of page about it. Your account must be 30 days old with 500 edits. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 12:53, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Also answering your query: :You asked a question that is now at [[Talk:State of Palestine/Archive 21]]. Talk pages of articles are not for 'open' questions. Instead, the proper method is to propose a specific change of text, as in replace A with B, and include a reference to support your proposal. Given that [[State of Palestine]] is a very controversial article, editors who participate there - at both article and talk - can be short on tact. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 12:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:{{tpq|I am not interested in editing wikipedia}} If you're not interested in contributing to the project, then you probably ought to go elsewhere. [[WP:PURPOSE|The purpose of Wikipedia]] is to produce an encyclopedia; notably, [[WP:TP|talk pages]] are for constructively discussing the project and its content, not general [[Internet forums]] for discussion. There are many many discussion forums elsewhere on the Internet, and Wikipedia can even [[:Category:Internet forums|help direct you to some of them]]. If you do wish to contribute to the encyclopedia, take a look at [[WP:Welcome]]. Thank you and I hope you have a good day. --[[User:Slowking Man|Slowking Man]] ([[User talk:Slowking Man|talk]]) 21:03, 31 December 2024 (UTC)


== VisualEditor ==
I am at my wits end with a seasoned user who has been here for more than 10 years, {{noping|A E Francis}}, on the article [[Thomistic sacramental theology]].


I've just changed my Preferences > Editing
The user insists on adding back unsourced (violating [[WP:BURDEN]]) and essay-like ([[WP:NOESSAY]]) content, including ''their own signature inside the body of the article''. Whenever this unsourced content is removed, they [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Thomistic_sacramental_theology&action=history edit-war every 2 to three months] and call this removal vandalism (e.g. [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:A_E_Francis&diff=prev&oldid=1135418534]). [[Talk:Thomistic sacramental theology#Sort out required|Talk page discussions]] (and that is when the user even accepts to communicate, which is rare), [[User talk:A E Francis#September 2022|an admin warning]], and [[User talk:A E Francis#January 2023|two warnings of mine]] have proven to be fruitless. The user seems to want to [[WP:OWN]] the content they have added.


Turned on "Enable the visual editor" <small>(which, I think, it's on by default in Wikipedia in Italian language)</small>
So, what am I doing wrong? How am I to explain the user they are in the wrong here? [[User:Veverve|Veverve]] ([[User talk:Veverve|talk]]) 15:33, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
:What you're both doing wrong is edit-warring. Rather than block you both, I have protected the article until the content dispute is resolved. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 16:46, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
::{{ping|Anachronist}} {{tq|until the content dispute is resolved}}: this is why I post here! It simply cannot be resolved currently. So, do you have any advice? [[User:Veverve|Veverve]] ([[User talk:Veverve|talk]]) 16:51, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Veverve|Veverve]]: If this is persistent behaviour but doesn't cross [[WP:3RR]], you're best served taking it to [[Wikipedia:DR|dispute resolution]]. —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;) 17:01, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
::::{{reply|Veverve}} Also, if this is a dispute between only two editors, then [[Wikipedia:Third opinion]] might be a useful way to get a tie-breaking view. If there is a serious behavioral problem involved, then go to the [[WP:CESSPOOL]] and report it there. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 17:05, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Veverve|Veverve]] However, an editor putting their signature inside an article is absolutely wrong. [[User:David10244|David10244]] ([[User talk:David10244|talk]]) 13:36, 25 January 2023 (UTC)


But i can not find out how to edit with VisualEditor.
== Robert Tannahill ==


I've looked at [[Help:VisualEditor]] and it says ([[Help:VisualEditor#Opening VisualEditor]] to click on the "Edit" tab (in the picture I can see a "drop down" menu to choose the editor).
[[Robert Tannahill]] was born in 1774 but the Wikipedia article states "On leaving school at age 12, he was apprenticed to his father as a handloom weaver. It was during this time that he began to show an interest in poetry. With his apprenticeship completed, Tannahill left Paisley in late 1779 to work in Bolton, Lancashire."


But I've not this choice. My tab is named "Edit source". [[User:Centrodiurnomilano|Centrodiurnomilano]] ([[User talk:Centrodiurnomilano|talk]]) 14:47, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
The year that he left for Paisley seems to be a mistake since he left school at 12 - which would have been after 1779. I put question marks after 1779 to let readers know that it appeared to be a mistake. However, that was removed by one of your editors. But the editor never corrected the year that he left Paisley. [[Special:Contributions/2603:9001:460D:227B:C3F2:A538:5797:94CB|2603:9001:460D:227B:C3F2:A538:5797:94CB]] ([[User talk:2603:9001:460D:227B:C3F2:A538:5797:94CB|talk]]) 16:32, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
:"One of your editors"? You are an editor yourself, so I don't know who the "your" would be referring to.
:Each article has a talk page, in this case [[Talk:Robert Tannahill]]. An article talk page is intended for discussions exactly like this. The Teahouse isn't the place to discuss content or behavior. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 16:44, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
:Note that Wikipedia editors are volunteers, and anyone can become one by creating an account. [[User:Esolo5002|Esolo5002]] ([[User talk:Esolo5002|talk]]) 18:08, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
::Right idea, wrong place. Challenges to content are made at the Talk page of the article. Your edit was reverted not for being invalid, but for being in wrong place. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 22:41, 24 January 2023 (UTC)


:I've found out, reading [[Help:VisualEditor#First step: enabling VE]] (which seems a bit outdated, by the way).
== Why ==
:After I've changed my Preferences > Editing > "Enable the visual editor" = ON
:and the press "save" button at the bottom.
:Only then, a "drop down menu" show up in the same section: "Editing mode", which is setted by default "Remember the last editor". I've changed it to "Show both editor tabs".
:It's not easy to find out. [[User:Centrodiurnomilano|Centrodiurnomilano]] ([[User talk:Centrodiurnomilano|talk]]) 15:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::By the way, I've looked at the settings on Wikipedia in Italian language and "Enable the visual editor" it's enough there (there is no "Editing mode" option at all) [[User:Centrodiurnomilano|Centrodiurnomilano]] ([[User talk:Centrodiurnomilano|talk]]) 15:08, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:Italian Wikipedia and English Wikipedia run on the same system, MediaWiki, but are two different Wikipedias. So if this is a question about itwiki, then you should go to a help board on itwiki. If this a question about enwiki, you should be able to switch between the source editor and visual editor by pressing the pencil button next to the preview button in the source editor. <span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:#fff;border:2px dashed#69c73e">[[User:Cowboygilbert|<span style="color:#3f6b39">'''Cowboygilbert'''</span>]] - [[User talk:Cowboygilbert|<span style="color:#d12667"> (talk) ♥</span>]]</span> 16:07, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::But, @[[User:Centrodiurnomilano|Centrodiurnomilano]], do note that you can only use the VisualEditor is some namespaces but not all. You can in mainspace, userspace, draftspace but not in wikispace which is the space with the Wikipedia: prefix. <span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:#fff;border:2px dashed#69c73e">[[User:Cowboygilbert|<span style="color:#3f6b39">'''Cowboygilbert'''</span>]] - [[User talk:Cowboygilbert|<span style="color:#d12667"> (talk) ♥</span>]]</span> 16:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Thank you, @[[User:Cowboygilbert|Cowboygilbert]] . I've tried in main space and the in user space. [[User:Centrodiurnomilano|Centrodiurnomilano]] ([[User talk:Centrodiurnomilano|talk]]) 16:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Were you able to fix it using the instructions that I put, {{tq|you should be able to switch between the source editor and visual editor by pressing the pencil button next to the preview button in the source editor.}}? <span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:#fff;border:2px dashed#69c73e">[[User:Cowboygilbert|<span style="color:#3f6b39">'''Cowboygilbert'''</span>]] - [[User talk:Cowboygilbert|<span style="color:#d12667"> (talk) ♥</span>]]</span> 16:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)


== "No Such Number tone" / "crybaby tone" (type of intercept error) ==
@[[User:Firefly115|Firefly115]]


Hello everyone. This is one of my first times writing a brand-new article, and I'm not sure if this is a notable enough topic for its own page or a subsection in the intercept message.
I don't think that makes sense. Please explain. [[User:Goofyahadude1013p310|Goofyahadude1013p310]] ([[User talk:Goofyahadude1013p310|talk]]) 18:03, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
:@[[User:Goofyahadude1013p310|Goofyahadude1013p310]]: I believe you meant to post this at [[Talk:Polybius (urban legend)]]. —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;) 18:09, 24 January 2023 (UTC)


This technically isn't a message, but before the intercept message was used, a different type of tone could also be returned instead of connecting to an operator. This is known under many different names, such as the "no such number tone" or even the "crybaby tone." This tone would be returned if a caller attempts to dial a number that can't possibly exist according to the numbering plan. The call would not be allowed to go through because some of these numbers could be reserved for private use. The tone itself is continuous, sweeping from 200-400Hz back to 200Hz again over the course of one second.
== Altering images ==


The issue is that it's almost exclusively used in North America, if not, completely exclusively. It was introduced by the Bell System in 1941, but I've also heard of it in use by the 3CX Asterisk system. However, my intent is to preserve information about this tone, as next to no information seems to exist about it. An excerpt from the Bell Labs Record describes it here. It also seems to be exclusive to crossbar systems.
There are a few cases I see of an image being arbitrarily changed, usually because "the previous one's quality was bad and not good" or "I think this one is funnier", my favorite example being the article on [[Cursed image|cursed images]], though I might have to check if some pictures of food or game footage go through that.


[https://www.telephonecollectors.info/index.php/browse/document-repository/catalogs-manuals/bell-system-we/bell-labs-record/4432-41apr-blr-no-such-number-tone-for-dial-systems] Bell Labs record
Possible copyright issues aside, is there anything in favor of or against this? [[User:Cog-san|cogsan]] ([[User talk:Cog-san|talk]]) 18:03, 24 January 2023 (UTC)


[https://www.nature.com/articles/148193b0] Article about this record
:@[[User:Cog-san|Cog-san]] Speaking very generally, altering images falls under, for example, [[WP:BOLD]] and [[MOS:IMAGES]]. Like anything else around here, altering images can be done in a [[WP:DISRUPTIVE]] manner. More specifically, IMO [[Cursed image]] is an odd article, I wonder if it would survive a deletion discussion. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 18:23, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
::Fair enough. Articles on memes like that are heavily subjective, so unless they weren't really related to the topic, not much could be considered "disruptive", but I can see that not being the case for replacing random pictures around the wiki with your brand's logo.
::Really have to hope a theoretical deletion discussion on that article doesn't happen though, because it actually describes the meme for once, as opposed to just how the alt-right uses it.
::Thanks. [[User:Cog-san|cogsan]] ([[User talk:Cog-san|talk]]) 18:34, 24 January 2023 (UTC)


[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ipuruc9Ur_4] Sample of this sound
== Moving on from draft ==


Hi, We have drafted our page, how do we move it on to get it peer reviewed? I can see lots of third part companies offering to get it approved but would prefer to drive this ourselves. [[User:Phil HANTSAR|Phil HANTSAR]] ([[User talk:Phil HANTSAR|talk]]) 18:16, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
What do you think of this? [[User:ZetaformGames|ZetaformGames]] ([[User talk:ZetaformGames|talk]]) 19:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)


:Hi @[[User:ZetaformGames|ZetaformGames]], welcome to the teahouse and welcome to Wikipedia! I think that this could be a good idea as a subsection in the article for [[Intercept message]] or some other related article. I don't think that there is enough for a full article with the sources you've posted but could definitely be an interesting paragraph! [[User:Justiyaya|'''<span style="color:#1d556d">Just</span>''']][[Special:Contributions/Justiyaya|'''<span style="color:#000000">i</span>''']][[User talk:Justiyaya#top|'''<span style="color:#6d351d">yaya</span>''']] 07:12, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:{{Courtesy link|Draft:Hampshire Search and Rescue}} - [[Special:Contributions/199.208.172.35|199.208.172.35]] ([[User talk:199.208.172.35|talk]]) 18:18, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
::Alright, thank you! And thanks for the welcome. I made this account a while ago, but haven't felt confident enough in my editing skills until now to contribute. [[User:ZetaformGames|ZetaformGames]] ([[User talk:ZetaformGames|talk]]) 17:46, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|Phil HANTSAR}} Hello Phil! First, I must ask, who is "we" referring to? Wikipedia accounts cannot be shared by multiple people. Second, I suggest you ignore those third party companies as they are all scams. Third, if this is about [[Draft:Hampshire Search and Rescue]] you do not have an AFC template on the page and also have no submitted it which I have done for you. ― [[User:Blaze Wolf|<b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze&nbsp;Wolf</b>]][[User talk:Blaze Wolf|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze&nbsp;Wolf#6545</sub> 18:21, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
::Thank you Blaze. I could not see a button or a link to submit it so thank you for doing that for me. The us I refer to is the charity, we are not sharing an account. What is an AFC template ?, can you send me a link so I can read up about it please? [[User:Phil HANTSAR|Phil HANTSAR]] ([[User talk:Phil HANTSAR|talk]]) 18:26, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
:::The afc template is the big yellow-ish banner now at the top of the draft, Blaze Wolf added that. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 18:29, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
:::Apologies, I tend to forget that newcomers may not know some of the more technical stuff here on Wikipedia. The AFC template I'm referring to is part of the [[WP:AFC|Articles for Creation]] process which allows users to create and submit drafts in draft space to be reviewed and either accepted or declined by experienced editors. Specifically the template is {{tl|AFC submission}}. ― [[User:Blaze Wolf|<b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze&nbsp;Wolf</b>]][[User talk:Blaze Wolf|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze&nbsp;Wolf#6545</sub> 18:30, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
:::At the risk of piling on, Phil HANTSAR: do you understand the purpose of references? You write {{tq|certain qualifying members were honoured to be awarded the Queen's Platinum Jubilee Medal in 2022, the medals being presented at a ceremony at the police training college at Netley in July 2022 by the Hon. Hugo Cubitt DL}}, with one citation that shows that there is such a thing as the Queen's Platinum Jubilee Medal, and the other that shows that according to thepeerage.com, Cubitt exists. Meither of these does anything at all to support the claim. (In addition, thepeerage.com appears on the list of self-published, and so unreliable, sources at [[WP:RSP#Self-published peerage websites]]) The point of a citation is so that a reader in Birmingham next week, or Buffalo next month, or Buenos Aires next year can, in principle check that what the article says is so. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 23:04, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
::::Right, @[[User:Phil HANTSAR|Phil HANTSAR]], for the phrase "presented at a ceremony at the police training college at Netley in July 2022 by the Hon. Hugo Cubitt DL" you just need to specify ''where you got that information'' about the medal being presented. I'm sure you didn't make it up! Cheers. [[User:David10244|David10244]] ([[User talk:David10244|talk]]) 13:42, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
:::::Hi David,
:::::I was there and photos were taken but our press release was not taken up by the local media.
:::::Thanks for your help [[User:Phil HANTSAR|Phil HANTSAR]] ([[User talk:Phil HANTSAR|talk]]) 22:19, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
:@[[User:Phil HANTSAR|Phil HANTSAR]] See [[WP:TUTORIAL]] on how to add references correctly, and [[WP:N]] on what sources are required for an article to be accepted. However, afaict you have avoided [[WP:COPYPASTE]] problems, plus-points for that. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 18:27, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
:Recommended reading: [[Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing]]. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 18:47, 24 January 2023 (UTC)


== Maryam Mirzakhani ==
== Help with publishing my artist ==
{{courtesy link|Draft:Harry Yummy}}


Can someone fix the error in the [[Maryam Mirzakhani]] article?
Can someone please help me publish my up coming artist. [[User:Marfoy|Marfoy]] ([[User talk:Marfoy|talk]]) 20:10, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
:@[[User:Marfoy|Marfoy]]: {{welcometea}} Your draft is missing references, which are vital to each and every article on this encyclopedia. You will probably want to read [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources]] and [[WP:EASYREFBEGIN|Easy referencing for beginners]] —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;) 20:19, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
::How do I edit and add the references? [[User:Marfoy|Marfoy]] ([[User talk:Marfoy|talk]]) 20:24, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
:::See the links I provided above. —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;) 20:29, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
::::Thank you. Do you publish artist here? And if you do how much you charge. [[User:Marfoy|Marfoy]] ([[User talk:Marfoy|talk]]) 20:42, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
::::: There is no charge. Follow the guidance at [[WP:YFA]]. Remember this is an encyclopedia and not a venue for promotion. [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 21:05, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Marfoy|Marfoy]] Hi there! Creating a new article is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia, especially if you do not have a lot of experience editing existing Wikipedia articles. To learn how to edit, I suggest you start at [[Help:Introduction]]. I suggest spending a significant amount of time editing existing articles to hone your skills. Once you're ready to create an article, you would gather multiple [[WP:IS|independent]] [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] that have provided [[WP:SIGCOV|significant coverage]] of the subject, and determine whether it meets Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, called "[[WP:N|notability]]". If so, you could follow the instructions at [[Help:Your first article]], and be prepared for a process that may include waiting for review, rejections, and rewrites, before an article is created. Hope this helps, and happy editing! [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 21:06, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
:@[[User:Marfoy|Marfoy]] "Up coming" and new artists usually don't have reliable, in-depth, independent, published coverage about them ''yet''. Wikipedia takes note of people and things ''after'' they have become notable, not before. [[User:David10244|David10244]] ([[User talk:David10244|talk]]) 13:45, 25 January 2023 (UTC)


Mirzakhani solved this counting problem by relating it to the problem of computing volumes in moduli space—a space whose points correspond to different complex structures on a surface genus '''<span style="color:red">Failed to parse (SVG (MathML can be enabled via browser plugin): Invalid response ("Math extension cannot connect to Restbase.") from server "http://localhost:6011/en.wikipedia.org/v1/":): {\displaystyle g}</span> .''' In her thesis, Mirzakhani found a volume formula for the moduli space of bordered Riemann surfaces of genus g {\displaystyle g} with n {\displaystyle n} geodesic boundary components. From this formula followed the counting for simple closed geodesics mentioned above, as well as a number of other results. This led her to obtain a new proof for the formula discovered by Edward Witten and Maxim Kontsevich on the intersection numbers of tautological classes on moduli space.
Teahouse hosts are here to advise, not to author or co-author.<!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/David notMD|contribs]]) 22:48, 24 January 2023 (UTC)</small>
::If you cannot find references about her, this can never become an article. Looks like [[WP:TOOSOON]]. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 03:58, 25 January 2023 (UTC)


Thanks. [[Special:Contributions/76.14.122.5|76.14.122.5]] ([[User talk:76.14.122.5|talk]]) 19:28, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
== Wiki Help - Geraldine High School issues ==
:<s>Hi IP 76.14.122.5. Generally, the best place to discuss something like this is on the talk page for the article in question, which in this case would be [[:Talk:Maryam Mirzakhani]]; however, if you truly believe there's an error in the article, you can be [[:WP:BOLD]] and fix it yourself if you think you can. Please understand though that "fix it" in this context means to correct the article in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines, and the policies/guidelines most likely applicable in this case are going to be [[:Wikipedia:Verifiability]] and [[:Wikipedia:No original research]]. Ideally, you're going to need to find [[:WP:SECONDARY]] [[:WP:RS|reliable sources]] (as defined by Wikipedia) to cite in support of the change you want to make; [[:WP:VNT|even if you know such changes to be true]], you're still going to need to cite reliable sources in support to allow others to verify the changes. If you just make a change without providing any citations to a reliable source in support, there's a good chance the change will be undone by another user. Given that this seems to be related to mathematics, you might argue that "proving" the information to be incorrect based on Mirakhani's academic thesis is more than sufficient in and of itself, but Wikipedia generally requires something more and a thesis is going to be, for the most part, considered a [[:WP:PRIMARY]] source and could have other issues as explained in [[:WP:SCHOLARSHIP]]. You could also try asking about this at [[:Wikipedia:WikiProject Mathematics]] since that's where you're going to have a better chance of finding someone sufficiently versed in mathematics who might be able to help sort this out. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 19:52, 31 December 2024 (UTC)</s>;<ins>post edited. -- 22:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)</ins>
::Please disregard my reply IP 76.14.122.5. I misunderstood what you were asking about. ColinFine's suggestion below seems to be the best course of action here. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 22:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:Hello, IP user. What you are reporting is a problem in the software, the network, or the user interface, and not in the content of the article. Generally, technical problems of this sort are better handled at [[WP:VPT]] than here. However, I'm not seeing that problem, either on the browser on my laptop, or on the Android app. Is it repeatable, or might it have been a temporary glitch?
:Actually, now I look at it, the URL above appears to be a local proxy, so it may be that whoever manages your local network has not configured the proxy in a way that Wikipedia requires. Again, [[WP:VPT]] is a better place to ask about this.
:@[[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]]. The problem that the IP is reporting is obviously a technical one, so your answer is entirely off the point. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 20:21, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks for catching my mistake and pointing the OP in the right direction {{u|ColinFine}}. I've stricken my reply so as to not confuse the OP or anyone else. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 22:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)


== Stuck on Puerto Rico outages notability. ==
Hi! i'm kind of new to this whole Wikipedia thing, and i'm trying to get a wiki page setup, but I've been reviewed, and I don't understand the requirements, even when I read the pages associated with them.


Hi, new to Wikipedia here and probably gonna create a draft on the Puerto Rico power outage crisis but wanted to ask:
[[Draft:Geraldine High School|https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Geraldine_High_School]] - here's the link to the page and the issues. [[User:TemukaBag|TemukaBag]] ([[User talk:TemukaBag|talk]]) 21:06, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
I’m stuck in the notability of this topic, so, is the Puerto Rico power outage crisis notable enough for Wikipedia? By power outage crisis I mean the beginning of the Puerto Rican outages from [[Hurricane Maria]] to [https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/12/31/us/puerto-rico-power-outage now] since it has lasted multiple years with sustained media coverage when an outage does occur.
:Your draft is just a blatant advertisement for the school. Wikipedia is NOT for merely providing information. A Wikipedia article about an organisation must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about them, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of a [[WP:NORG|notable organisation]]. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong|talk]]) 21:10, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
Cheers! [[Special:Contributions/66.50.50.222|66.50.50.222]] ([[User talk:66.50.50.222|talk]]) 20:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:Rather than a new article, you could expand on the outages already documented in [[:Puerto Rico Electric Power Authority]] and in [[:LUMA Energy]]. [[User:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#066293;">'''Schazjmd'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#738276;">''(talk)''</span>]] 20:44, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::A search within Wikipedia on "Puerto Rico power outage" yields a list of several articles, including [[:Puerto Rico Electric Power Authority]] and in [[:LUMA Energy]] [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 21:15, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Noted. Will expand those articles then instead. Thanks! [[Special:Contributions/66.50.50.222|66.50.50.222]] ([[User talk:66.50.50.222|talk]]) 21:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:My first impression would be that an article is likely warranted. PR is an island of ~3 million people, in the same neighborhood as Los Angeles. If Los Angeles were having sustained multi-year-long Issues with electrical service, there would be an article about it. [[WP:NONENG|Non-English language sources are perfectly acceptable]] for citing in articles, as long as a little care is observed.
:Note, to the anonymous editor: if you [[WP:create an account|create an account]] you get your own shiny neato [[WP:userspace|userspace]] to use mostly at your leisure, where for instance you can work on draft articles with no hurry. I have one underway in mine in fact. And thank you again for being interested in contributing to Wikipedia!
:(Regarding LA: some may have had come to mind the [[California energy crisis]], but, neat fact, LA actually escaped impact from that because of having [[Los Angeles DWP|its own municipal utility]] with its own generation capacity!) --[[User:Slowking Man|Slowking Man]] ([[User talk:Slowking Man|talk]]) 01:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::<small>Note to [[User:Slowking Man]]: The userspace is the wrong place to draft an article. Either use your Sandbox or else follow instructions at [[WP:YFA]] to create a draft. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 03:33, 1 January 2025 (UTC)</small>
:::Is "userspace" not the colloquial term for "your user page and any and all subpages of it"? The "official" user sandbox link is [[Special:MyPage/sandbox]], which takes you to the /sandbox subpage of your user page. --[[User:Slowking Man|Slowking Man]] ([[User talk:Slowking Man|talk]]) 05:29, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::Hello, the IP editor (66.xx) here, just created my account, and I mainly refrained from creating an article due to being worried about a potential conflict-of-interest (I live in Puerto Rico myself). I might work on a draft later today and collect sources (as @[[User:BusterD|BusterD]] suggested), thank you all btw for helping me clear up this question I’ve had for some time now! [[User:Atheions|Atheions]] ([[User talk:Atheions|talk]]) 04:11, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:On the other hand, [[User:Slowking Man]] is correct that an article might be created on this newsworthy subject and that one shouldn't necessarily rely strictly on English-language sources. Looking at the existing material, it certainly seems a sequence of outages could be established from some of the reliable sources already applied to pagespace. I agree with [[User:David notMD]] that [[WP:YFA]] is a place to consider how to start a new page. I would start collecting sources, online and in print. [[User:BusterD|BusterD]] ([[User talk:BusterD|talk]]) 03:58, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:Apologies if jumping the gun or creating a draft too early, but I have [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:2017-25_Puerto_Rico_power_outages created one]. Won’t be able to do much progress today but will def collect sources to use. [[User:Atheions|Atheions]] ([[User talk:Atheions|talk]]) 07:32, 1 January 2025 (UTC)


== Am I allowed to post something about a game I am making on Wikipedia? ==
== [[Draft:Mittens (chess engine)]]...again ==


Am i allowed to post somthing about a game i am making? On Wikipedia [[User:Aaronfart14|Aaronfart14]] ([[User talk:Aaronfart14|talk]]) 22:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Hello. I promise this is the last time I'll be asking this, I just thought as I had asked here before that it would be a good idea to ask again.
:Allowed? Yes. Good idea? No. Likely to remain on Wikipedia? No. Writing an article is difficult, particularly for new editors. And since this is about '''your''' game, you have a conflict of interest in writing about it. See [[H:YFA]] and [[WP:COI]]. Simply posting information about your game rather than writing an article would be promotion. See [[WP:PROMOTION]] [[User:Meters|Meters]] ([[User talk:Meters|talk]]) 22:20, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::{{u|Aaronfart14}}, the relevant content guideline is [[WP:Wikipedia is not for things made up one day]]. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 02:36, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::If your game goes public, and if it becomes so popular that people are publishing about it, then there is a chance that someone other than you will create an article about it. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 03:37, 1 January 2025 (UTC)


== Writing about Childhood and Early Life ==
Following on from my last time asking, the engine has been subject to significant coverage in international newspapers, including WSJ, the Times, the Independent and others. I think it passes WP:GNG now, but want a last check. Thanks, <span style="font-family: Opensans, sans-serif;">[[User:Schminnte|Schminnte]] ([[User talk:Schminnte|talk]] <small>•</small> [[Special:Contributions/Schminnte|contribs]])</span> 21:33, 24 January 2023 (UTC)


I am writing an article about Andrea Sheridan Ordin, who is already included in two existing wikipedia articles entitled, "List of first women lawyers and judges in California" and "United States District Court for the Central District of California." I am interviewing her personally and have reputable sources about her career notability, but I'm not sure how to write her "early life" section, since there are not many sources describing her childhood aside from her firsthand account. How to I write about her early life without secondary sources? [[User:Aharten97|Aharten97]] ([[User talk:Aharten97|talk]]) 22:17, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:Schminnte|Schminnte]] Welcome to the Teahouse! Add {{tl|AfC submission}} to the top of your draft, and a reviewer will determine whether it passes [[WP:GNG]]. Happy editing! [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 22:14, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
:{{re|Aharten97}} It's not possible without reliable secondary published sources. For the policies, see [[WP:V]]. Personal notes from an interview are neither published nor reliable, and self-published statements are rarely reliable. If it's noteworthy it will have been published somewhere. If not then it isn't. -- [[user:zzuuzz|zzuuzz]] <sup>[[user_talk:zzuuzz|(talk)]]</sup> 22:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Should I use AfC? I try to move pages into mainspace myself to avoid increasing the backlog as I'm not a complete beginner. <span style="font-family: Opensans, sans-serif;">[[User:Schminnte|Schminnte]] ([[User talk:Schminnte|talk]] <small>•</small> [[Special:Contributions/Schminnte|contribs]])</span> 22:20, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
::https://ethics.lacity.gov/news/murray-and-ordin-re-elected-as-ethics-commission-leaders/ provides some info for an Early life and education section. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 04:24, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Schminnte|Schminnte]] AfC process is not necessary. If you think it's ready for mainspace, be bold and move it! [[User:Harobouri|<em style="font-family:Burbank;color:darkblue">Harobouri</em>]] • [[User talk:Harobouri|🎢]] • [[Special:Contributions/Harobouri|🏗️]] <small> (he/him) </small> 22:47, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Schminnte|Schminnte]] You've got solid coverage in several reliable newspapers, so I'm sure [[WP:GNG]] is met. The overall tone seems OK (I'm not a new article reviewer) and if you move it into mainspace it will still be reviewed by the [[WP:NPP|new pages patrol]], so I support the idea of being bold.... [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 11:56, 25 January 2023 (UTC)


== What to write on your talk page? ==
== P!ATD Sources ==


Above question [[User:HELSINKI!233|HELSINKI!233]] ([[User talk:HELSINKI!233|talk]]) 22:32, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Per the recent news, I visited the band's WP page and was surprised to see this section: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic!_at_the_Disco#Musical_style_and_influences '''Musical style and influences''']. I don't think I've ever seen so many cited sources in one section before. Are all these really necessary? or is this an example of [[WP:OVERKILL]]? [[User:Maineartists|Maineartists]] ([[User talk:Maineartists|talk]]) 22:51, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
:Hi and welcome, @[[User:HELSINKI!233|HELSINKI!233]]. Your talk page is where other editors can leave messages for you or begin conversations with you. You can learn more at [[WP:USERTALK|the guidelines for user pages]]. [[User:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#066293;">'''Schazjmd'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#738276;">''(talk)''</span>]] 22:37, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::It is not for chat, or your thoughts/opinions about stuff. Also, with a few exceptions, you are allowed to delete content from your Talk page, although some people prefer to archive older content instead. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 04:19, 1 January 2025 (UTC)


== Citations about movies ==
:Hello, Maineartists. Yes, it certainly is overkill. It is rarely necessary to cite more than one source for a straightforward claim. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 23:07, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
:@[[User:Maineartists|Maineartists]] - It looks ridiculous, yes. Might I suggest as a starting point to remove duplicate citations to sources that are already cited in the same section (ex. 2, 163)? [[User talk:Casualdejekyll|<span style="color:#E6007A">casualdejekyll</span>]] 23:09, 24 January 2023 (UTC)


I'm trying to improve [[The Lincoln Lawyer (film)]]
== How do I get my Wikipedia back to English language ==


1) Is IMDB considered a good citation for the cast list, producer name, etc?
Help. I clicked on something, and now all my menus are in a different language than English. I don't know what to click on to get them back to English menu and contents.


2) How do I add a citation to an existing infobox? (Visual or Source editor)
My pages are displaying in English. And my URL is standard English, like this link I'm on now: ''https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse''


Many thanks
But I'm at a loss how to get it back to English language in the menus etc. [[User:N2e|N2e]] ([[User talk:N2e|talk]]) 22:58, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
:@[[User:N2e|N2e]]: {{welcometea}} Click on the [[file:OOjs UI icon language-ltr.svg|link=]] icon near the top of a page, then click on the [[file:OOjs UI icon advanced.svg|link=]] in the lower-right corner of the menu that opens up. It should pull up <code>Language settings</code> for you at "Display Settings". See if that's set to English, and if not, click on it. That should change the menu language back to English. —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;) 23:11, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
::Thank you, [[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]. That was a great help! Followed your advice and all the menus are back to English. Yay! — [[User:N2e|N2e]] ([[User talk:N2e|talk]]) 03:00, 25 January 2023 (UTC)


[[User:Littenberg|Ben]] ([[User talk:Littenberg|talk]]) 22:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
== [[User:Navajcmer]] ==
:Hi and welcome, @[[User:Littenberg|Littenberg]]. Imdb is not considered a reliable source because much of its information is [[WP:UGC|user-generated]]. You can learn how to add citations at [[User:Nick Moyes/Easier Referencing for Beginners|Easier Referencing for Beginners]]. [[User:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#066293;">'''Schazjmd'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#738276;">''(talk)''</span>]] 22:39, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::If you click on Edit at the top menu it allows you to edit the entire article, including the Infobox. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 04:15, 1 January 2025 (UTC)


== How do I create a Wikipedia article ==
There is no revision with ID pls edit me '''<span style="color:#f535aa">—</span> [[User:Navajcmer|<span style="background:#f535aa;color:#fff;padding:2px;border-radius:5px">Navajcmer</span>]] <span style="color:#f535aa">([[User talk:Navajcmer|🔔]] • [[Special:Contributions/Navajcmer|📝]])</span>''' 01:56, 25 January 2023 (UTC)


How do I create an article on Wikipedia? [[User:Красный Октябрь|Красный Октябрь]] ([[User talk:Красный Октябрь|talk]]) 23:12, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:If you rephrase this request/question more intelligibly, somebody here might be able to help. (Punctuation may aid intelligibility.) -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 02:27, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
:op blocked for [[wp:nothere|not here]]. [[user:lettherebedarklight|lettherebedarklight]][[user talk:lettherebedarklight|晚安]] 06:06, 26 January 2023 (UTC)


:Здравствуйте, @[[User:Красный Октябрь|Красный Октябрь]], and welcome to the Teahouse. {{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}} [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 23:33, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
== Citation not formatting ==
::Can you help me learn how to make one? I want to make an article on the Kazan bombing that happened about a 1.5 week ago. [[User:Красный Октябрь|Красный Октябрь]] ([[User talk:Красный Октябрь|talk]]) 23:50, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
The following:<br /> "url=https://digitalcollections.lib.umanitoba.ca/islandora/search/%28"foley"%29?type=edismax&hidden_filter%5B0%5D=ancestors_ms%3A%28"uofm%3A1243378"%29&f%5B0%5D
:::{{u|Красный Октябрь}}, please be aware that the [[Russo-Ukrainian War]] is a designated contentious topic. You cannot write new content about that war until your account is [[WP:XC|Extended confirmed]], which means the account is over a month old (it is) ''and'' has made over 500 constractive edits (you have a long way to go). [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 02:56, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
=mods_originInfo_dateIssued_dt%3A%5B1908-05-04T00%3A00%3A00Z%20TO%201908-05-05T00%3A00%3A00Z%5D"<br /> is not properly formatting as shown below. How do I fix it?
::::Then can someone else make an article about it? [[User:Красный Октябрь|Красный Октябрь]] ([[User talk:Красный Октябрь|talk]]) 04:08, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
<ref>{{Cite web | url=https://digitalcollections.lib.umanitoba.ca/islandora/search/%28"foley"%29?type=edismax&hidden_filter%5B0%5D=ancestors_ms%3A%28"uofm%3A1243378"%29&f%5B0%5D=mods_originInfo_dateIssued_dt%3A%5B1908-05-04T00%3A00%3A00Z%20TO%201908-05-05T00%3A00%3A00Z%5D |p=2 |title=Winnipeg Tribune |date=4 May 1908 |website=lib.umanitoba.ca}}</ref>
:::::Teahouse Hosts are here to advise, but not to be authors or co-authors. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 04:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Who do I ask about it? [[User:Красный Октябрь|Красный Октябрь]] ([[User talk:Красный Октябрь|talk]]) 08:59, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::{{u|Красный Октябрь}}, if you persist in discussing a designated contentious topic such as the [[Russo-Ukrainian War]] before you are extended confirmed, you may be blocked. So, please edit other topic areas until then. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 09:16, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::You could ask on [[Talk:Russo-Ukrainian War]]. Normally such talk pages are protected, but that one doesn't seem to be at this time. What might happen is that someone adds a paragraph about the incident to the existing article rather than create a new article.
:::::::I'll add that editors who aren't extended-confirmed generally aren't permitted to use the talk pages of such articles either, and I have always disagreed with this, mainly because constructive edit requests end up in [[WP:RFED]], making extra work for administrators. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 16:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)


== Why are padlocks not automatically added when an article is protected? ==
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[[User:DMBanks1|DMBanks1]] ([[User talk:DMBanks1|talk]]) 02:37, 25 January 2023 (UTC)


:I added a line break to the url. [[User:David10244|David10244]] ([[User talk:David10244|talk]]) 13:52, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
Sorry if this is the wrong place. [[User:Heyaaaaalol|Heyaaaaalol]] ([[User talk:Heyaaaaalol|talk]]) 02:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)


:@[[User:Heyaaaaalol|Heyaaaaalol]] Because an administrator needs to add a protection notice (the padlocks) to a page in order to show the padlock on pages. Sometimes the padlocks do not get placed on a page, especially if it's a user page, unless if the protection notice is placed by an administrator. [[User:NicePrettyFlower|NicePrettyFlower]] ([[User talk:NicePrettyFlower|talk]]) 03:35, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
[[User:DMBanks1|DMBanks1]], change each of the four offending instances of '''{{DarkRed|"}}''' to '''{{DarkRed|%22}}''', and you get ''this''.<ref>{{Cite web | url=https://digitalcollections.lib.umanitoba.ca/islandora/search/%28%22foley%22%29?type=edismax&hidden_filter%5B0%5D=ancestors_ms%3A%28%22uofm%3A1243378%22%29&f%5B0%5D=mods_originInfo_dateIssued_dt%3A%5B1908-05-04T00%3A00%3A00Z%20TO%201908-05-05T00%3A00%3A00Z%5D |p=2 |title=Winnipeg Tribune |date=4 May 1908 |website=lib.umanitoba.ca}}</ref> (I do wonder about the life-expectancy of the link, however.) -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 04:13, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
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:[[User:Heyaaaaalol|Heyaaaaalol]], I have done some page protection myself. Usually when I apply protection, I wish to see the "padlock" icon applied. Sometimes when I use the protection script, I forget to click the toggle which leaves the padlock icon. In that case, there's a bot which usually fixes that mistake automatically. If you see a protected page without an icon, you might tell someone. Do our answers help? [[User:BusterD|BusterD]] ([[User talk:BusterD|talk]]) 03:44, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:[[User:DMBanks1|DMBanks1]], for an explanation, and for what to do about other troublesome characters, see [[Help:URL#Fixing_links_with_unsupported_characters|Help:URL]]. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 04:17, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
:Hello, @[[User:Heyaaaaalol|Heyaaaaalol]]. To actually answer your question: because nobody has implemented that function in the software. I don't know whether there is a technical reason for that, or whether it's just that nobody's got round to it. Questions about the software and user interface are better asked at the Village pump: either [[WP:VPT]] or [[WP:VPR]] [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 13:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|Heyaaaaalol}} Protecting a page is a log action in the MediaWiki software which powers Wikipedia and thousands of other wikis. It does not make an edit to the page. Logs are separate from edits. Displaying a padlock with a link is a Wikipedia practice. We do it by editing the page and adding special code which places a padlock in the corner instead of the normal text area. Other wikis may use no or other symbols for protected pages, place them in other places, and make no or other links on them. A MediaWiki feature to automatically display a symbol on protected pages was recently added at [[phab:T12347]] but it's disabled by default. I haven't examined how flexible it is but I guess it would be non-trivial for us to convert to using it when we already have a well-functioning system. There is so far only a single Wikimedia wiki which has set <code>wgEnableProtectionIndicators</code> to true in https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 15:08, 1 January 2025 (UTC)


== Multiple non-free album covers on one page ==
::Many thanks. [[User:DMBanks1|DMBanks1]] ([[User talk:DMBanks1|talk]]) 15:02, 25 January 2023 (UTC)


For the album ''[[Breakfast with Girls]]'', there's an associated EP located at the section ''[[Breakfast with Girls#Brunch|Brunch]]''. The EP has an infobox but is currently without cover artwork, so I'm wondering if it's appropriate for the article to have another non-free image when one is already in use for the album's artwork. If not within free use, ''Brunch''{{'}}s artwork (seen [https://self.is/brunch here]) is mostly text on a black background, so would I be allowed to crop out the non-text part and use that as a [[Template:PD-textlogo|public domain text logo]] image in an infobox? [[User:Koopastar|Koopastar]] ([[User talk:Koopastar|talk]]) 04:50, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
== Editing an article on mobile phone ==


:Hi [[User:Koopastar|Koopastar]], I do think that another cover would be within fair use. There's also been instances of this in the past like [[In Rainbows#In Rainbows Disk 2]]. Happy editing! [[User:Justiyaya|'''<span style="color:#1d556d">Just</span>''']][[Special:Contributions/Justiyaya|'''<span style="color:#000000">i</span>''']][[User talk:Justiyaya#top|'''<span style="color:#6d351d">yaya</span>''']] 06:59, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Hello,
I ve made a contribution for an international handball coach page. In the infobox and under the heading ''managed teams'' I added the managed teams list chronologically, adding as well the flag of each country he worked in. I checked the mobile view from my computer and every thing was fine. So I sent the link to my own messenger, and as well to my own gmail to open it, and check the layout on my mobile. And there I had a surprise: When I open the link from messenger the infobox is perfect and the flags are well aligned. When I opened the link from my gmail, and when I made a research about the coach on google browser, the flags in the infobox under the ''teams managed'' are not well aligned. Please check it by your own to understand better.
The page link:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulo_Pereira_(handballer)
Thank you for your support [[User:Sahrayo|Sahrayo]] ([[User talk:Sahrayo|talk]]) 02:39, 25 January 2023 (UTC)


== afd ==
:@[[User:Sahrayo|Sahrayo]] The article [[Paulo Pereira (handballer)]] looks fine on my PC's Edge browser but it does have an unusually wide infobox because of the way you've added all the flags. The new Vector 2022 skin is probably not helping the situation either. I suggest you remove the flags and make the article look more like the one for [[Carlos Resende]], another handball coach. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 11:40, 25 January 2023 (UTC)


I really like a certain article, but it's afd, if it is deleted, is there a way to still view it [[User:Saarabout|🐢]] ([[User talk:Saarabout|talk]]) 05:24, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
==Koopa Troopa==


:History checker [[User:SimpleSubCubicGraph|SimpleSubCubicGraph]] ([[User talk:SimpleSubCubicGraph|talk]]) 05:26, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
I am planning to document all the different variations of the Koopa Troopa, from the Mario franchise of Nintendo. First of all, is this notable enough to become a new article? Also, do I need the consent of Nintendo? [[User:Anonymous Elementary Schooler|Anonymous Elementary Schooler]] ([[User talk:Anonymous Elementary Schooler|talk]]) 02:41, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
:If the article is still "public" currently, you can save a copy for yourself: [[Wikipedia:Download as PDF|Download as PDF]] (maybe see also [[mw:Help:Export|Help:Export]]). Otherwise go to: [[CAT:RESTORE]]. --[[User:Slowking Man|Slowking Man]] ([[User talk:Slowking Man|talk]]) 06:14, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::This appears to be about [[X11 color names]], which has been in existance since 2003 and has been edited more than 700 times since then. While it is unlikely that it will be deleted, as noted, you can save a copy to your computer. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 13:55, 1 January 2025 (UTC)


== Hypothetically, could it be possible to write a netural autobiography? ==
:i just wanna submit how do i do this [[User:Anonymous Elementary Schooler|Anonymous Elementary Schooler]] ([[User talk:Anonymous Elementary Schooler|talk]]) 03:05, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
:You don't need permission from Nintendo to write about their characters. There is already an article for [[Koopa Troopa]], and there's a [[Characters in the Mario franchise|list of Mario characters]] that lists all of the important ones. If you notice anything missing, you can add it as long as you use [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] to confirm what you're adding. [[User:Thebiguglyalien|Thebiguglyalien]] ([[User talk:Thebiguglyalien|talk]]) 03:40, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
:i beileve you need to state what source you used and u will be good to go i am not sure though i am new to wiki [[User:Despacito305276|Despacito305276]] ([[User talk:Despacito305276|talk]]) 21:47, 25 January 2023 (UTC)


Hypothetically, would it be possible for someone on Wikipedia to write a neutral autobiography of themselves? Showing the good and bad and making no favor to either side, providing proof and checking all of the boxes. How would that go and would it be accepted? What if say a Wikipedia administrator that is not really well known becomes for example the president of the US? Can they have oversight over their own article? Are they removed from their position? Can they no longer edit anything involving US politics due to their inherent bias? And finally has there been any real examples of this over the past 20+ years? [[User:SimpleSubCubicGraph|SimpleSubCubicGraph]] ([[User talk:SimpleSubCubicGraph|talk]]) 05:25, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
== unable to edit ==
:Hello, {{u|SimpleSubCubicGraph}}. Hypothetically, what you describe is possible but the president of the US example is implausible because credible candidates for that office would already be the subject of a Wikipedia article. More plausible would be a longtime editor elected to a state or provincial legislature. I see no reason why that person could not submit an autobiography through [[WP:AFC|Articles for Creation]] with full disclosure, have the article accepted and continue as an editor or even as an administrator. They should certainly recuse from the current legislative affairs of their state or province but otherwise I would not see a broader problem. As for whether anything like that has ever happened, I do not know. Maybe another editor does. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 06:49, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:SimpleSubCubicGraph|SimpleSubCubicGraph]] welcome to the Teahouse! Interesting questions. I would say that while it is hypothetically possible, guidelines still strongly discourage creations of autobiographies and I haven't seen an instance of it being successful outside of early Wikipedia. This would have to go through [[WP:AFC|articles for creation]] and the editor should [[Wikipedia:DISCLOSE|declare]] their conflict of interest. Subjects do not have oversight of their own article.
:I would argue that if someone is elected president of the US they would have a financial relationship with the federal government and should stay away from editing those topics. I think they would have potentially less of a conflict of interest with state governments and historical united states politics. I don't think one would be removed as an administrator because they are elected to a public office here. I don't know of any Wikipedian that has been elected. [[CongressEdits]] is probably the closest to an example of this. [[User:Justiyaya|'''<span style="color:#1d556d">Just</span>''']][[Special:Contributions/Justiyaya|'''<span style="color:#000000">i</span>''']][[User talk:Justiyaya#top|'''<span style="color:#6d351d">yaya</span>''']] 06:46, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::Succeeding at autobiography is more likely to occur in an area such as [[WP:NACADEMIC]]. A senior professor at a university would have as models articles about other professors at their university. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 14:02, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:The only time I recall a good autobiography being written was when the CEO of a small business wrote one, submitted it for review, and it was accepted after some minor revisions. So it is possible.
:By now I've gained enough experience on Wikipedia that I could probably write a neutral biography about myself, but because I am not notable, there's no point. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 16:26, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:a) It would probably go over reasonably well, presuming they followed the Correct way to do that kind of thing: don't create your own bio article (meaning here the literal "creating a new page in [[WP:Main namespace|Main namespace]]") and don't edit it directly but put up stuff on the [[WP:Talk page|Talk page]] for others to evaluate, revise, and put into the article if they decide.
:b) No, [[WP:OWN|no one "owns" articles]] and gets special "powers" over them. Since all Wikipedia content is "[[WP:Wikipedia is free content|free as in freedom]]" you and anyone else can copy it put it up elsewhere and do whatever with the copies, as long as you credit the original creators.
:c) Why would they get adminship removed if they haven't misused it?
:d) They probably ought to stay away from US politics content yes, being rather [[WP:INVOLVED]]. Also realistically the POTUS is not going to have ample free time to devote to Wikipedia contributing, or to be inclined to devote what little precious free time they get to, doing more work.
:e) Have a look at [[WP:List of Wikipedians with articles]]. --[[User:Slowking Man|Slowking Man]] ([[User talk:Slowking Man|talk]]) 17:26, 1 January 2025 (UTC)


== Wiki page written by subject or friend of subject? ==
I want to communicate that in the article on the Cleveland jewish Community, the list of noteworthy individuals shoud include Leslie Foldy, physicist and co-author fo the Foldy–Wouthuysen transformation [[User:Leeascherman|Leeascherman]] ([[User talk:Leeascherman|talk]]) 03:56, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
:Do you mean [[History of the Jews in Greater Cleveland]]? [[Leslie Lawrance Foldy]] is an existing article, but nothing there mentions being Jewish. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 04:10, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
::I can't see anything in any English language sources supporting it either. Maybe something in Czech or Hungarian under " László Földi"? [[User:Leeascherman]] do you have any sources for this? [[User talk:JeffUK|Jeff<span style="border-style:dashed;border-color:blue; border-width:1px">'''UK'''</span>]] 14:11, 25 January 2023 (UTC)


Hello, I saw a page on Wikipedia that looks like it was, based on the way it's presented, mostly written by the person who is the subject of the page, or a close friend. What is the standard flag or way to raise this on the page's talk page? Thank you for your help. [[User:FireBatV|FireBatV]] ([[User talk:FireBatV|talk]]) 08:05, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
== Help on references ==


:Hello @[[User:FireBatV|FireBatV]]! Welcome to the Teahouse. The standard way is to tag the article with the [[Template:COI]] on the main article page. Alternatively, you can use [[Wikipedia:Twinkle|Twinkle]] to tag it as well. '''[[User:TNM101|<span style="color:red;">TNM</span><span style="color:black;">101</span>]]''' ([[User talk:TNM101|<span style="color:blue;">chat</span>]]) 12:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Sir/Madam


:: Thank you for the help! I've added the {{tlx|Template:COI}} to the page in question ([[Rhett Ayers Butler]]) and as per the instructions on the template page I am have also added{{tlx|Connected contributor}} to the talk page, so editors can take it from there. Thank you again for the help and the friendly welcome, my issue has been resolved. [[User:FireBatV|FireBatV]] ([[User talk:FireBatV|talk]]) 21:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Ref no. 4 in [[Vikraman Radhakrishnan]] has no info of content it is cited and it is operated by a opposition political party[https://thecommunemag.com/zubair-kasab-bin-laden-tn-bjp-leader-brutally-takes-down-fake-news-peddler-mohammed-zubair/]. Ref 5 is a religion website (https://sanatanprabhat.org/english/).
:::No problem! Feel free to reach out if you need any more help '''[[User:TNM101|<span style="color:red;">TNM</span><span style="color:black;">101</span>]]''' ([[User talk:TNM101|<span style="color:blue;">chat</span>]]) 06:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)


== Editing the Wikipedia page of "The crown" ==
I deleted them with my reason. My edits are undid and no reason given to me.


i want to edit the Wikipedia page of "the crown" on netflix why i wont add the seventh season of "the crown" if you cant tell the staff at netflix please add aditional information like the royal wedding of prince william and kate Middleton and the queen involvement in the 2012 summer olympics in london england alongside James bond!!! [[Special:Contributions/89.128.137.159|89.128.137.159]] ([[User talk:89.128.137.159|talk]]) 14:08, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
I know Wikipedia for 5 months only. I said my reason in talk page. I do not understand what to talk in talk page and who I should talk any more.


:Hello IP Editor: there was no 7th season of The Crown, so your additions were inappropriate and were removed. Please don't add fake information to Wikipedia. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;">'''[[User:Qcne|<span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span>]]''' <small>[[User talk:Qcne|<span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span>]]</small></span> 14:18, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Kindly help me Sir/madam. [[Special:Contributions/106.205.72.176|106.205.72.176]] ([[User talk:106.205.72.176|talk]]) 06:02, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
::False information is vandalism, which if continued can lead to your IP address being blocked and any account your subsequently register being blocked. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 15:20, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::Look for verified information about future seasons. This isn't forums and speculations. [[User:Cwater1|Cwater1]] ([[User talk:Cwater1|talk]]) 20:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)


== The show button doesn't work on phone ==
:Anonymous user, you've been asked on that talk page to be patient; you may have to be patient a little longer. Tips, however: (i) Sources that say unfavorable things about people aren't necessarily libelous or undesirable. However, if a cited source is libelous, or is close to libelous, or if there's clearly a bias in an article, then bring up the matter on [[WP:BLPN]]. (ii) Don't complain about (or describe, or praise) references by number, because numbers may change. It's better to describe the link, and to add that it's ''currently'' number such-and-such. (iii) If you'd like more people to evaluate the sources of which you disapprove, then if the article is about Indian matters, write on [[WT:WikiProject India]]. Avoid starting a discussion there: instead, simply invite people to the talk page of the article. And keep your description in your invitation very succinct and neutral (not "Somebody keeps adding junk sources" or similar; instead, "There's a disagreement over the suitability of sources" or similar). Good luck! -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 06:57, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
::Sir/Madam,
::It is only about references. currently Ref no.4 [https://thecommunemag.com/you-wont-be-able-to-have-office-in-any-district-vck-spokesperson-threatens-dinamalar-stokes-secessionism/] does not have connection to the info in the page. Why is it in there? [[Special:Contributions/106.205.72.176|106.205.72.176]] ([[User talk:106.205.72.176|talk]]) 07:15, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
:::I don't know why it's there, and I'm not going to speculate. If it has no connection then it should probably go. You might write on the article's talk page that you propose to remove it after 48 hours unless its connection has been re-created or you've otherwise been persuaded that it's worthwhile. (Don't say "the day after tomorrow" or similar, because of course different editors have different days and nights.) -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 07:31, 25 January 2023 (UTC) <small>{{Olive|If it has no connection then it should probably go.}} You might reasonably wonder "Why only 'probably'?" Because it's possible that it did reference some material that was thereafter clumsily and wrongly removed. In order to check, one should go through the article history. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 08:40, 25 January 2023 (UTC)</small>


Hi. Some articles have [https://s8.uupload.ir/files/screenshot_20250101_182319_chrome_rpkr.jpg this] dialouge box on top of them. But when we touch the show button on phone (Chrome for Android for me), [https://s8.uupload.ir/files/screenshot_20250101_182322_chrome_yxid.jpg nothing] happens. I don't know about desktop. [[User:Aminabzz|Aminabzz]] ([[User talk:Aminabzz|talk]]) 15:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
== Review of my Draft ==


:What is an example of such an article? What happens when you use the Wikipedia app? Does it work then? ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 16:21, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Can you please review my draft and give some insights on how to improve the article that i'm writing so that it becomes submitted.
:Hello, @[[User:Aminabzz|Aminabzz]], and welcome to the Teahouse.
:I agree. If I look at [[Amathus]], I get that box (from template {{tl|expand language}}) at the top, but on a browser on my Android phone, when I pick "Show" it replaces the word "Show" with "Hide", but doesn't expand the box, so I can't see additional information.
:However, the box has a "Learn more" button, and if I pick that it shows me a little more, but not the full information that I see on my browser on a computer.
:This looks like a bug in the user interface: [[WP:VPT]] is a better place to ask/report such things than here, and I suggest you post there. Thank you for pointing it out. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 18:04, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::I note that I cannot find any of these problems when I use the Wikipedia app. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 15:59, 2 January 2025 (UTC)


== How to find the full form of abbreviations on phone? ==
[[Draft:ITech Store]] [[User:Kailashpoudel2057|Kailashpoudel2057]] ([[User talk:Kailashpoudel2057|talk]]) 08:55, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
:Your draft lacks any independent secondary sources, we have zero interest in what their own website says. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong|talk]]) 09:02, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
::Thank you. I will research for external sources, rather then using their internal sources. [[User:Kailashpoudel2057|Kailashpoudel2057]] ([[User talk:Kailashpoudel2057|talk]]) 09:08, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
:::There is nothing Wikipedia-article-worthy about this computer sales and repair store. This draft has no potential to be accepted. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 11:07, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
:@[[User:Kailashpoudel2057|Kailashpoudel2057]] You created another section below with the same question and I others have given essentially the same answer. You are paid to promote this store: the rest of us here are unpaid volunteers and we have little time to assist your efforts. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 11:18, 25 January 2023 (UTC)


Hi. On Wikipedia, some abbreviation words have dotline underlines. When we hover the mouse cursor on them on PC we can see the full form. For example, TBA reveals to be "to be announced".
=== Help in My First WikiPedia Article ===


But on mobile phones (Chrome for Android for me) there is no mouse so that we hover the cursor on them! So how can we find the full form of abbreviations on these dotline-underlined words in cellphones? Holding the word doesn't work.
Please check [[Draft:ITech_Store]] and give me some feedbacks on where i can improve myself. [[User:Kailashpoudel2057|Kailashpoudel2057]] ([[User talk:Kailashpoudel2057|talk]]) 10:49, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
:{{u|Kailashpoudel2057}} Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I am afraid that I must tell you that you seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding as to what Wikipedia is for. It is not a place for businesses to tell the world about themselves and what they do, and where existence warrants inclusion. This is an encyclopedia with criteria for inclusion, called [[WP:N|notability]], such as [[WP:ORG|the definition of a notable company]]. Any article about a company must summarize what independent [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company, showing how it meets that notability definition. Please read [[WP:YFA|Your First Article]].
:You do have on your user page "I work for ITech Store", but please read about [[WP:PAID|paid editing]] and [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]]. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 10:56, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
:@[[User:Kailashpoudel2057|Kailashpoudel2057]] You have re-submitted a draft that was declined after adding just one extra citation, to a website that simply lists the store among many others. There are thousands of stores in the world selling IT equipment and billions of people. Wikipedia has to restrict what it covers if it is not to be overwhelmed by trivia. By long agreement, this is done by insisting that what is included here is [[WP:NCORP|notable]]. An article about your store is very unlikely to reach the threshold for inclusion and I would advise you to give up trying. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 11:01, 25 January 2023 (UTC)


Look at [https://s8.uupload.ir/files/screenshot_20250101_182537_chrome_dbd2.jpg this] for seeing the dotlines. [[User:Aminabzz|Aminabzz]] ([[User talk:Aminabzz|talk]]) 15:40, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
== Joe Pappio (Professional athlete) ==

:That's one of the limitations of using a smartphone as a browser. There is no notion of "hover". I have seen hovering implemented in some Samsung phones, in which holding your finger near to the screen without touching it is sensed as a hover, but this worked only in certain apps and wasn't a universal experience across all apps on the phone. Unless someone has a better answer, I'd say that features reliant on hovering are generally not accessible on smartphones. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 16:16, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::Samsung devices with [[S Pen]] support actually support "hover" by well, hovering the S Pen close to the display. The display has an "active digitizer" that can sense the Pen with [[Near-field comms|NFC]]. Shows a little cursor and pops up stuff and you can hit the Pen's button to do things, very neat actually. ...Buuuut still doesn't work for the abbr stuff in browsers because it's handled differently in the system software (as it's not "really a mouse", it's handled by different code) and so doesn't "pass through" a mouse hover event down to the browser software. Shucks. --[[User:Slowking Man|Slowking Man]] ([[User talk:Slowking Man|talk]]) 17:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:Oh yeah [[Template:abbr|this is a known problem for years]]. Abbr and friends use the standard [[HTML tags]] for such things, and browsers don't gaf apparently about making them "work" when there's no pointing device (mouse), and the attitude appears to be {{shrug}}. WP could implement some sort of JavaScript "workaround" that pops up a thing, but, that requires deploying something "globally" site-wide and that is a Big Deal so it needs Official approval: ask around at [[WP:VPT]] whether there's any effort in this direction. (FYI templates can't have JavaScript, it needs to be JS to "dynamically" add new page elements and display them)
:In the meantime the "workaround" is to hit edit and look at the wikitext. Or you could also view the page HTML source and use the browser's "find" to go to the abbreviation which will show its definition. Also also there might be some [[WP:userscript|userscript]] someone has made to make it pop up, which you can "install" to use while logged-in. (You could also always plug in a mouse/trackpad/etc or connect a wireless one {{;)}}) --[[User:Slowking Man|Slowking Man]] ([[User talk:Slowking Man|talk]]) 17:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Aminabzz|Aminabzz]], [[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]], and [[User:Slowking Man|Slowking Man]]: I couldn't find any such script, so [[User:JJPMaster/abbrMobile.js|I made it]]. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]<sub>[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]<sub>[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]</sub></sub> ([[She (pronoun)|she]]/[[Singular they|they]]) 05:08, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Is this something that needs to be deployed in the Wikipedia software, or is it something that a user can add to vector.js? ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 15:52, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]]: The latter. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]<sub>[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]<sub>[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]</sub></sub> ([[She (pronoun)|she]]/[[Singular they|they]]) 17:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::{{reply|Aminabzz}} Well, JJP has a solution for you, but it requires that you be logged into Wikipedia to take advantage of it. Me, I use the Wikipedia app for reading Wikipedia on my phone, and I never encountered a "hover" situation in that app. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 17:58, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

== GA Spotcheck ==

Apparently I might've misunderstood what is needed for a source spotcheck in a good article review. Could someone please explain what is needed? [[User:History6042|<span style="color:darkorange">History6042😊</span>]] '''([[User talk:History6042|<span style="color:blue">Contact me</span>]])''' 15:53, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:Appears that at [[Wikipedia talk:Good article nominations]], date 1/1/25, there has been a question raised about GA nomination reviews conducted by History60432. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 17:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::Yes, that is why I am asking. [[User:History6042|<span style="color:darkorange">History6042😊</span>]] '''([[User talk:History6042|<span style="color:blue">Contact me</span>]])''' 17:09, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:History6042|History6042]], note 2 on the [[Wikipedia:Good article criteria]] page explains source checking. If you're concerned that your interpretation isn't in line with the community's, you might find it helpful to discuss with other editors involved with the good article process at [[Wikipedia talk:Good article nominations]]. [[User:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#066293;">'''Schazjmd'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#738276;">''(talk)''</span>]] 17:33, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::So it means Verifiable with no original research:
::it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline;
::reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose);
::it contains no original research; and
::it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism? [[User:History6042|<span style="color:darkorange">History6042😊</span>]] '''([[User talk:History6042|<span style="color:blue">Contact me</span>]])''' 19:25, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::The '''note''' says {{tq| "Ideally, a reviewer will have access to all of the source material, and sufficient expertise to verify that the article reflects the content of the sources; this ideal is not often attained. At a minimum, check that the sources used are reliable (for example, blogs are not usually reliable sources) and that those you can access support the content of the article (for example, inline citations lead to sources that agree with what the article says) and are not plagiarized (for example, close paraphrasing of source material should only be used where appropriate, with in-text attribution if necessary)."}} [[User:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#066293;">'''Schazjmd'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#738276;">''(talk)''</span>]] 20:40, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Okay I think i did that but do I just need to like write it down? [[User:History6042|<span style="color:darkorange">History6042😊</span>]] '''([[User talk:History6042|<span style="color:blue">Contact me</span>]])''' 21:06, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::Saying in your review what you checked is helpful. Perhaps read through [[Wikipedia_talk:Good_article_nominations/Archive_30#Spot_checks?|this discussion on spot checks]]. You might also find it useful to read through some GA reviews by experienced reviewers, see what they're doing in their written reviews that you can learn from. [[User:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#066293;">'''Schazjmd'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#738276;">''(talk)''</span>]] 21:47, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Thank you. [[User:History6042|<span style="color:darkorange">History6042😊</span>]] '''([[User talk:History6042|<span style="color:blue">Contact me</span>]])''' 00:39, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

== Creating an article heavily lacking sources :/ ==

I've been working on trying create an article ([[Draft:Millennium Force's effects]]) but I've run into some issues; including after initial submission. The only sources I can find are mainly from various YouTube videos (not tied to the subject) and very few separate links; so it's no wonder why it wasn't accepted.

So I know what I've written down is true, but I don't have the secondary sources to prove it and that makes my info [[No original research|Original Research]]. What can I do? I was told I could try another Wiki (ex: Amusement Park Wiki) but is there anything I can do to keep it on Wikipedia? Thanks! [[User:Therguy10|<span style="color:blue;">'''Therguy10'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Therguy10|talk]]) 16:49, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Therguy10|Therguy10]] Welcome to theTeahouse. I'm afraid not. [[WP:RS|Reliable sources]] are fundamental to Wikipedia articles. See [[WP:42]]. [[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]]|[[User talk:Shantavira|<sup>feed me</sup>]] 18:01, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:Hello, @[[User:Therguy10|Therguy10]]. I agree with Shantavira. Please see also [[WP:No amount of editing can overcome a lack of notability|No amount of editing can overcome a lack of notability]] [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 18:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]] @[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] Thank you both! I do believe that the article has potential in the future, but I also understand it isn't notable enough as of now. With the article being a history of a subject, there is older information that I fear may not be written about. My hope is that the new changes made this year were important enough to spark some kind of interest for a source; I'll have to wait and see. [[User:Therguy10|<span style="color:blue;">'''Therguy10'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Therguy10|talk]]) 18:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::well i guess technically the changes were made last year...lol [[User:Therguy10|<span style="color:blue;">'''Therguy10'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Therguy10|talk]]) 18:14, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::If you can find reliable sources, why not improve the '''Ride experience''' section of [[:Millennium Force]]? [[User:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#066293;">'''Schazjmd'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#738276;">''(talk)''</span>]] 18:27, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::That was a strong consideration of mine. I certainly won't be able to fit ''everything'' inside of the main article but it might not hurt to add a little more than what I already have there. Once again my biggest issue would be collecting sources; this seems more doable. Thanks! [[User:Therguy10|<span style="color:blue;">'''Therguy10'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Therguy10|talk]]) 18:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

== How do i delete a Wikepedia page? ==

a school has a wikepedia page, (carlisle public schools) i have moved the page to inside the town page (carlisle masssachusetts) so how do i delete the old school page? it is useless (i moveed the page because it contains about only 1 paragraph, so why not make it a section) so yeah, if someone knows how to delete a page, please delete Carlisle Public Schools

how to find page - go to the education part of carlisle, massachusetts, press carlisle public schools, and you will be there. [[User:Theawezomefriend12|Theawezomefriend12]] ([[User talk:Theawezomefriend12|talk]]) 19:39, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:[[Carlisle Public Schools]] is an article. If you believe it should be deleted, the process is to nominate it for deletion via the [[WP:AFD]] process. What you added to [[Carlisle, Massachusetts]] was rightfully deleted because you did not include any references. See [[Maynard, Massachusetts]] for an example of a referenced education section. I was going to point you to Acton or Sudbury, but those have unreferenced content. There is also [[Concord-Carlisle High School]], but that has its own problems. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 20:02, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::Okay, Thanks! [[User:Theawezomefriend12|Theawezomefriend12]] ([[User talk:Theawezomefriend12|talk]]) 20:30, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::{{re|Theawezomefriend12}} I'm going to offer some slightly different advice. For a small article in this situation: First copy the relevant text to the target article (the article about the town). If there are no references then be sure to add one or some. See [[WP:CWW]] for the correct process, if you are moving any text. Once that has been successfully done, turn the former article (the school district) into a redirect to the town as you did previously. There is no need to actually delete anything: redirects are useful for people trying to find things, such as information about Carlisle Public Schools, and can be safely left behind. -- [[user:zzuuzz|zzuuzz]] <sup>[[user_talk:zzuuzz|(talk)]]</sup> 21:12, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Thanks for the advice, i will remove the deletion (i dont know if thats possible i am new) and make the page redierect to Carlisle, Massachusetts. [[User:Theawezomefriend12|Theawezomefriend12]] ([[User talk:Theawezomefriend12|talk]]) 21:30, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::{{re|Theawezomefriend12}} I've helped a bit with the deletion part. The best way to learn is to just do things, so I'll leave you to continue the process (and will probably pop back in a bit). I'll just mention that it appears that the only reason your previous attempt was reverted was because you didn't include any references for the content you were adding/moving to the town article. Sufficient references probably exist in the district article so they can just be copied. If not, I'm sure they won't be difficult to find. -- [[user:zzuuzz|zzuuzz]] <sup>[[user_talk:zzuuzz|(talk)]]</sup> 21:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::oh ok, i am propably going to be moving the main description and the new gallery part i added, i probably will not be added refrences and external links. [[User:Theawezomefriend12|Theawezomefriend12]] ([[User talk:Theawezomefriend12|talk]]) 21:45, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

== Hi! PARIS ==

Good morning, good afternoon or good evening. Happy new year 2025. Please how to move to the main space the [[Draft:Hi! PARIS]]. This research center in AI is now one of the most important in France : https://www.lesechos.fr/tech-medias/intelligence-artificielle/une-dotation-de-70-millions-pour-la-formation-de-lelite-de-lia-en-france-2096150 and https://www.lemondeinformatique.fr/actualites/lire-hec-et-l-institut-polytechnique-remportent-l-appel-a-projets-cluster-ia-93818.html. Many thanks in advance for your help. Have a great day. [[Special:Contributions/2A01:CB00:B48:9900:1C67:231F:4C2F:9933|2A01:CB00:B48:9900:1C67:231F:4C2F:9933]] ([[User talk:2A01:CB00:B48:9900:1C67:231F:4C2F:9933|talk]]) 21:57, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:On the AoPS Wiki go to [[special:move]]. I don't know bout wikipedia tho [[Special:Contributions/73.31.42.97|73.31.42.97]] ([[User talk:73.31.42.97|talk]]) 22:22, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::Sorry its [[Special:MovePage]] [[Special:Contributions/73.31.42.97|73.31.42.97]] ([[User talk:73.31.42.97|talk]]) 22:23, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:Bonsoir, IP user.
:73. is right that the technique for moving pages is to use the [[WP:Move|Move]] function (though most people do it from their user-interface, rather than going to [[Special:MovePage]].
:However, not logged in users do not have access to that function.
:I was going to advise you to submit it for review. However, I see that the draft was created in mainspace user BobVillars (since blocked for sockpuppetry) was then moved to Draft space by @[[User:Rosguill|Rosguill]], was submitted for review by an ipV6 user in the same range as you, then moved to main space again by McSyl, also blocked as a sockpuppet of BobVillars, and moved back to draft space ''again'' by @[[User:Janhrach|Janhrach]].
:Neither you nor anybody else has since made any substantial edits to the draft.
:I am finding it very difficult to [[WP:assume good faith|assume good faith]]. I will ask you directly: are you BobVillars/McSyl? If so, you are evading your block, which is not permitted. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 22:59, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::Hi Colin. Thanks for your answer. I don’t know what you are talking about. I am using 5G access so my Ip range is used by million of users. But if it is too complicated no worries, please cancel my request. This AI cluster is one of the most important in France and one of the biggest in Europe. So soon or later it will be back to mainspace. Have a great day. [[Special:Contributions/2A01:CB06:B064:82B5:2C9D:5034:3AC5:1BD4|2A01:CB06:B064:82B5:2C9D:5034:3AC5:1BD4]] ([[User talk:2A01:CB06:B064:82B5:2C9D:5034:3AC5:1BD4|talk]]) 06:21, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

== AoPS page ==

Why isn't there a page for [[Art of Problem Solving]]? [[Special:Contributions/73.31.42.97|73.31.42.97]] ([[User talk:73.31.42.97|talk]]) 22:15, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
: Hi IP 73.31.42.97. There could be a couple reasons why: (1) nobody thought enough about the book/series to try and create one; or (2) somebody did try to create one, but the subject wasn't deemed to meet [[:Wikipedia:Notability (books)]] and was either deleted altogether or added to [[:Richard Rusczyk]]. ''{{no redirect|Art of Problem Solving}}'' current [[:WP:REDIRECT]]s to the "Rusczyk" article and its [[:H:PH|page history]] shows that there once was a stand-alone article about the book/series, but it was "redirected" per [[:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Art of Problem Solving (2nd nomination)]]. If you feel something has changed since then, you might want to first explain why to the administrator who closed the Articles for Deletion discussion. That administrator's name is {{u|Liz}}. Perhaps by asking at [[:User talk:Liz]], Liz can tell you what is needed for the article to be recreated or restored. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 22:30, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

== Where is Wikipedia year in review for iOS? ==

I am looking for Wikipedia year in review in iOS where is it? [[Special:Contributions/172.59.25.192|172.59.25.192]] ([[User talk:172.59.25.192|talk]]) 22:18, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

:Welcome to the Teahouse, IP user. This isn't something I'm familiar with, but a Google search yields this link which I hope gives you what you seek: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/New_Engagement_Experiments/PES_1.3.1:_Wikipedia_insights. Regards, [[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] ([[User talk:Nick Moyes|talk]]) 01:56, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

== How to find vandalism on Wikipedia? ==

The closest thing I have found to vandalism is on the page for the number 3, where someone changed references to “3” with “2.” I’m wondering how to find vandalism, so I can revert it. Most of my edits are fixing grammar. Thank you. [[User:Heyaaaaalol|Heyaaaaalol]] ([[User talk:Heyaaaaalol|talk]]) 00:18, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Heyaaaaalol|Heyaaaaalol]] Welcome to the Teahouse. If you'd care to read [[WP:VANDALISM]], and especially the section linked from this shortcut: ([[WP:SPOTVAN]]), you should have all the answers you need. Monitoring 'Recent Changes' is the best way to spot ongoing vandalism, and you can choose to select only certain types of edits which highlight the most likely problematic edits for you to assess and respond to, and ignore all the honest ones. Thank you for your interest in helping out in this field. Regards, [[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] ([[User talk:Nick Moyes|talk]]) 01:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:Go to the “recent changes” link and there are filter options you can select. What you’ll want to do is choose “likely bad faith”, “very likely bad faith”, and “latest revision”. Then save that filter as your default. [[User:Grimaceshakeohio|Grimaceshakeohio]] ([[User talk:Grimaceshakeohio|talk]]) 04:35, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

== "Series of small edits" ==

I find it difficult to follow and review edits for valid constructive contributions when an editor makes a "series of small edits" (example: [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Marty_Makary&diff=prev&oldid=1266013859 1], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Marty_Makary&diff=prev&oldid=1265997397 2], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Marty_Makary&diff=prev&oldid=1265999775 3]) where several of the edits could, IMHO, easily and conceivably be made in a single edit with a single edit summary encompassing all of what is edited. Is there policy or guidelines about this practice that could help me in a [[User talk:Llll5032#Marty Makary|talk page discussion]] I am currently engaged in? [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 00:23, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

:Well, there's [[Wikipedia:CAUTIOUS|WP:Cautious]], which touches on not making too large edits. There is probably better material than this, but I can't find it.
:The point has been discussed on the Help/Teahouse desks before, and various editors have said that more smaller edits are better than one all-encompassing one, because if only one or two of several small edits are objected to, they can be reverted individually, but if they're part of a larger edit the whole thing has to be reverted and then it becomes difficult to sort out which details are accepted and which disputed.
:I myself, when reading an article for its content, sometimes make small edits as I go along on noticing typos, misspellings, incorrect grammar, etc. If I were to be deliberately setting out to copyedit the article (I used to be a professional editor) I would likely make them in larger batches, perhaps one per Section or Subsection (basically, as often as [edit] is present in the text), because that makes for a smaller and easier chunk (with all its confusing reference codings) to navigate in the edit box.
:In general, I don't think an editor making good-faith edits need think primarily of the convenience of some hypothetical would-be reverter, and I wouldn't criticise anyone for making successive small edits. Were the edits to smell of some deliberate obfustication as a cover for vandalism, or edit-count inflation, it would be another matter. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} [[Special:Contributions/94.6.84.253|94.6.84.253]] ([[User talk:94.6.84.253|talk]]) 02:11, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::Small or a series isn't the issue really. It is that several of the edits could fall under a single edit summary, and therefore could be made as one. I am curious about this comment though, "{{tq|Were the edits to smell of some deliberate obfustication as a cover for vandalism, or edit-count inflation, it would be another matter}}", because that is kind of what I think is the heart of the matter. How can you differentiate between the two if we are not allowed to scrutinize editing behavior which is a mix perhaps of both lots of small, with some more impactful edits laced in there? [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 14:33, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::The key being the "lots of small" could just as easily be one edit under one edit summary, and then more larger or more substantive edits separately under another. If the "lots of small edits" are all broken into separate edits, for me at least, it makes it harder to check on someone's editing in the first place to determine IF there is in fact a case of real vandalism, deliberate edit-count inflation, or some other intended obfuscation. [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 14:35, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::You can differentiate because if it is a cover for vandalism, you can point out the vandalism. Edit-count inflation these days is mostly people trying to game their way to extended confirmed status - the edits you point out here are from an editor who already has that status. There's no policy against editing this way - this editor isn't doing anything wrong.
::::If you want to examine a set of contiguous edits at once, you can get a multi-edit diff by using the radio buttons on the history page of the article in question. [[User:MrOllie|MrOllie]] ([[User talk:MrOllie|talk]]) 14:40, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::Understood, and no accusation of vandalism has been levied, but if several edits could be made under a single edit summary, is there any policy that they should be? That is really the essence of my question. [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 14:43, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::There is not. [[User:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#066293;">'''Schazjmd'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#738276;">''(talk)''</span>]] 14:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Ok. Thank you for answering my question then. [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 14:56, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:How isn't that benign? Is there an issue with the individual edits? My editing tends to match my own writing (on non-Wikipedia, Word, etc.): dump a bunch of text, and make then increasingly granular refining edits. -- [[User:Very Polite Person|Very Polite Person]] ([[User talk:Very Polite Person|talk]]) 00:37, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

== Political Party Relations ==

Just like how we have [[:Category:Sign language family tree templates]], should we have that for political parties kind of like below but for whole countries? These would be based on the infobox political party preceded by/succeeded by/merger of/merged into. If so would these be their own article or would they be in the many "List of political parties in ___"? I am curious and want to know if these are wanted/needed.
{{Tree chart/start|align=center}}
{{Tree chart| | | | | | | | | | |SPD ||SPD=[[Social Democratic Party of Germany|SPD]]}}
{{Tree chart| |,|- |- |- |- |- |- |- |-|-|(|SL=[[Spartacus League]]}}
{{Tree chart|SL| | | | | | | | |!|SL=[[Spartacus League]]}}
{{Tree chart| |!| | | | | | | | | |!|SPD=[[Social Democratic Party of Germany|SPD]]}}
{{Tree chart| KPD |v|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|(| |KPD=[[Communist Party of Germany|KPD]]}}
{{Tree chart| | | |!| | | | | | | |!| |}}
{{Tree chart| | | SED | | | | | | |!| |SED=[[Socialist Unity Party of Germany|SED]]}}
{{Tree chart| | | |!| | | | | | | |!| |}}
{{Tree chart| | | PDS |-|v|-| WAS |(|PDS=[[Party of Democratic Socialism (Germany)|PDS]]|WAS=[[Labour and Social Justice – The Electoral Alternative|WASG]]}}
{{Tree chart| | | | | | |!| | | | |!| |}}
{{Tree chart| | | | | | LIN | | | |!| |LIN=Die Linke}}
{{Tree chart| | | | | | |!| | | | |!| |}}
{{Tree chart| | | | BSW |(| | | | |!| |BSW=[[Bündnis Sahra Wagenknecht|BSW]]}}
{{Tree chart| | | | |!| |!| | | | |!| |}}
{{Tree chart/end}} [[User:History6042|<span style="color:darkorange">History6042😊</span>]] '''([[User talk:History6042|<span style="color:blue">Contact me</span>]])''' 00:39, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

:Hi [[User:History6042|History6042]], that's an interesting idea, you might want to pitch this at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Politics]]. [[User:Justiyaya|'''<span style="color:#1d556d">Just</span>''']][[Special:Contributions/Justiyaya|'''<span style="color:#000000">i</span>''']][[User talk:Justiyaya#top|'''<span style="color:#6d351d">yaya</span>''']] 03:23, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::Okay, I'll do that, thanks. [[User:History6042|<span style="color:darkorange">History6042😊</span>]] '''([[User talk:History6042|<span style="color:blue">Contact me</span>]])''' 03:27, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

== Freedom of Panorama Inquiries ==

This is regarding the article [[Liliget Feast House]]. The site where the restaurant once stood was torn down 2008, and I wanted to inquire regarding the best way to navigate [[Fair Use]] and [[Freedom of Panorama]] rules on Wikipedia in order to get photographs of the site on the page. This is probably best asked on Commons, but I'm not familiar with where I might be able to ask on there either. [[User:Ornithoptera|Ornithoptera]] ([[User talk:Ornithoptera|talk]]) 02:19, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

:Hi [[User:Ornithoptera|Ornithoptera]]. I think you can take a picture of the where the restaurant once stood and upload it here, which should be fine under [[Freedom of panorama#Canada]] which also allows incidental inclusion of copyrighted, non-architectural work (also [[commons:COM:FOP Canada]]). You would still be able to release a photograph that you took of publicly viewable buildings under a free license.
:If you are asking about whether an inclusion of a [[WP:NFCC|non free file]] is allowed, I'm not sure but I think that it meets all the criteria seeing that the building was demolished and if a suitable free photo cannot be located. [[User:Justiyaya|'''<span style="color:#1d556d">Just</span>''']][[Special:Contributions/Justiyaya|'''<span style="color:#000000">i</span>''']][[User talk:Justiyaya#top|'''<span style="color:#6d351d">yaya</span>''']] 05:48, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::Hi {{u|Justiyaya}}, thank you so much for your time! Truthfully I'm uncertain about using a photograph of where the restaurant once stood because it would be irrelevant to the content of the article (or at least for the intended use within the infobox). I am more asking about if I am able to use a non free file, yes, is there a venue where I can have a conversation with individuals who are more familiar with the matter? I'm not entirely sure if there is a relevant noticeboard/talk page/etc where I can bring this matter up with, if you or one of the editors here know one do let me know! [[User:Ornithoptera|Ornithoptera]] ([[User talk:Ornithoptera|talk]]) 05:52, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Ornithoptera|Ornithoptera]] I think it would be a good use of an non-free file. [[Wikipedia:Media copyright questions]] would be a relevant noticeboard for asking these types of questions. Commons won't be the place to go because they don't deal with non-free stuff. Hope this helps and happy editing! :D [[User:Justiyaya|'''<span style="color:#1d556d">Just</span>''']][[Special:Contributions/Justiyaya|'''<span style="color:#000000">i</span>''']][[User talk:Justiyaya#top|'''<span style="color:#6d351d">yaya</span>''']] 06:06, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Wonderful! Thank you so much for the assistance {{u|Justiyaya}}, didn't know there was a place like that! I'll go and send them a message hopefully within the week, I hope you have a wonderful day! [[User:Ornithoptera|Ornithoptera]] ([[User talk:Ornithoptera|talk]]) 07:03, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

== Why am I blocked from doing stuff on Russian Wikipedia? ==

According to my global account information I've been indefinitely blocked from doing anything other than viewing the Russian Wikipedia because I'm "using multiple accounts or having others promote me (so what I say is seen more correct)", but I'm not? I don't know anyone else with a Wikipedia account and as far as I know I only have one. It's just on the Russian Wikipedia, none of the others. I haven't really done anything on the Russian Wikipedia anyways. I've only edited my own user page. Why did this happen and how do I fix it?

More information:
The exact stated reason was обход блокировки (bypass blocking) and it linked [https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%9C%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%8C here]. It also gave me a link to [https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=%D0%A1%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F:%D0%96%D1%83%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8B/block&page=User%3A%D0%9A%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9+%D0%9E%D0%BA%D1%82%D1%8F%D0%B1%D1%80%D1%8C here]. [[User:Красный Октябрь|Красный Октябрь]] ([[User talk:Красный Октябрь|talk]]) 04:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

:Hi @[[User:Красный Октябрь|Красный Октябрь]], welcome to the teahouse. English and Russian Wikipedia are moderated differently, so a block there should not affect editing here nor could the community here fix anything there. From what I've been able to see with google translate and all, it appears that you've been checkuser blocked by @{{u|Q-bit array}} without email or talk page access. The administrator appears to monitor cross wiki notifications so hopefully they would respond here. They also appear to monitor [[:meta:User talk:Q-bit array]]. Usually appeals without talk page access go through [[WP:UTRS]] but I can't seem to find a similar system in ru-wiki. [[User:Justiyaya|'''<span style="color:#1d556d">Just</span>''']][[Special:Contributions/Justiyaya|'''<span style="color:#000000">i</span>''']][[User talk:Justiyaya#top|'''<span style="color:#6d351d">yaya</span>''']] 05:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::{{u|Красный Октябрь}}, the English Wikipedia and the Russian Wikipedia are entirely separate projects. Each has its own policies and guidelines, and its own separate teams of administrators. Here at the Teahouse, we can do our best to help you with problems you may have on the English Wikipedia. But we have no knowledge, power nor influence over the Russian Wikipedia, which is an autonomous project. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 08:38, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::Do you know where I can go on the Russian Wikipedia to get it fixed? [[User:Красный Октябрь|Красный Октябрь]] ([[User talk:Красный Октябрь|talk]]) 14:22, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Hello again, @[[User:Красный Октябрь|Красный Октябрь]] I think the relevant section is [[:ru:ВП:РАЗБЛОК]]. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 15:24, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::I went through the whole section you linked and it gives me instructions to request an unblock but I can't because I can't access my talk page or edit my user page. I can't find other ways to contact the person who blocked me as well. [[User:Красный Октябрь|Красный Октябрь]] ([[User talk:Красный Октябрь|talk]]) 16:30, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::If there is no off-wiki means of contacting Russian Wikipedia administrators, I think you will need to contact a steward(https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stewards) who may at least be able to advise you better than we can. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 16:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Thank you! [[User:Красный Октябрь|Красный Октябрь]] ([[User talk:Красный Октябрь|talk]]) 17:12, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I messaged one of the stewards [https://meta.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mykola7#%D0%9C%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B5_%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%BA%D1%83%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%BE_%D0%B2_%D1%80%D1%83%D1%81%D1%8C%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%97_%D0%92%D1%96%D0%BA%D1%96%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D1%96%D1%97_%D0%B7%D0%B0_%D1%82%D0%B5,_%D1%87%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE_%D1%8F_%D0%BD%D0%B5_%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%B0:_%D0%B1%D1%83%D0%B4%D1%8C_%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0_%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B3%D1%82%D0%B8 here]. Thank you for helping me find where to ask! [[User:Красный Октябрь|Красный Октябрь]] ([[User talk:Красный Октябрь|talk]]) 17:44, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:Responding to the "why did this happen" aspect, the most likely explanation is that your IP at the time you edited your userpage is similar to or within a range used by someone evading blocks on ru.wiki around the same time. Either that, or a more random human error on the blocking admin's part. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 16:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

== Notice of geological updates ==

Hi, in the past few months, I was working on pages regarding the periods, ages and other units of the geological timescale, and noticed a [https://stratigraphy.org/ICSchart/ChronostratChart2024-12.pdf recent update in the ICC Chronostratigraphic Chart (2024/12)], compared to the [https://stratigraphy.org/ICSchart/ChronostratChart2023-09.pdf previous version (2023/09)], that affects the time boundaries of a lot of ages. I didn't know which talk page or portal I could specifically notify of this change, so I came here to speak about it.

Now, I don't want to linger on a change like this here, since that feels like advertising which I KNOW Wikipedia is not about (see
[[WP:SOAPBOX]]). But I know a change like this is going to require a lot of edits to catch up with, and I for sure can't do it alone. So does anyone know a good project/portal page I can discuss this more on? — [[User:Alex26337|Alex26337]] ([[User talk:Alex26337|talk]]) 05:05, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

:Hi [[User:Alex26337|Alex26337]], thank you for your question. [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Geology]] would be the best venue to discuss this. I don't think this is soapbox like if you are advertising on-Wiki collaboration. The policy refers to more so advertising on Wiki things off-wiki. Discussions with other community members that share the same interest is what these Wikiprojects are for :D [[User:Justiyaya|'''<span style="color:#1d556d">Just</span>''']][[Special:Contributions/Justiyaya|'''<span style="color:#000000">i</span>''']][[User talk:Justiyaya#top|'''<span style="color:#6d351d">yaya</span>''']] 05:58, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

== Request to Update Image ==

I noticed that the current image used at [[Dadvan Yousuf]] is from 2021, but there are more recent images from 2024 available on Wikimedia Commons.

I kindly request an extended-confirmed user to review and consider updating the image to
"Dadvan Yousuf with Kurdistan Flag.jpg", Image is from recent - i dont recommend the images with the bitcoin flag.

Thanks.. [[User:Ayohama|Ayohama]] ([[User talk:Ayohama|talk]]) 07:44, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

:Hi [[User:Ayohama|Ayohama]], welcome to the teahouse! Although the image [[:File:Dadvan Yousuf with Kurdistan Flag.jpg]] is more recent, I don't think it provides the same quality and clarity as the image currently in the article. I don't think this change should be made. [[User:Justiyaya|'''<span style="color:#1d556d">Just</span>''']][[Special:Contributions/Justiyaya|'''<span style="color:#000000">i</span>''']][[User talk:Justiyaya#top|'''<span style="color:#6d351d">yaya</span>''']] 07:53, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::Hey, thanks for the solid feedback! fully understood [[User:Ayohama|Ayohama]] ([[User talk:Ayohama|talk]]) 07:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Ayohama}} I'd hold off in trying to use [[:File:Dadvan Yousuf with Kurdistan Flag.jpg]] or any of the other images of Yousuf uploaded to Commons by [[:c:User talk:Lonely34|Lonely34]] until the claims of "[[:c:COM:Own work|own work]]" can be verified by [[:c:COM:VRT]]. All the images that were uploaded by Lonely34 can be found being used online on sites like X, Facebook, Instagram, etc, from May 2024 onward prior to their being uploaded to Commons, some even with [[:watermarks]]. This doesn't necessarily mean they weren't taken by Lonely34, but the general licensing of those sites is too restrictive for Commons per [[:c:COM:L]] and in such cases [[c:COM:CONSENT|copyright holder consent]] needs to be verified. If the licensing of any or all of those images ends up being verified, you can add them to the body of the Wikipedia article about Yousuf if you want but probably should propose changing the infobox image on the article's talk page to see what others think. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 08:30, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::{{u|Ayohama}}, even if the issues that {{u|Marchjuly}} describes can be ironed out, I would oppose the use of the image that you are proposing for the infobox. That is a mountaineering summit style photo, and this person is not a notable mountaineer even if he paid a lot of money to climb the standard tourist route on Mount Everest with the help of Sherpa guides. He is a cryptocurrency investor not a serious mountaineer and it is not appropriate to portray business people with golf clubs or tennis rackets in their hands. Or flags on mountain tops. This is not 1952 and rich people climbing Everest is not a notable accomplishment these days. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 08:56, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::One of the references used to verify the claim about him climbing Everest says (in English translation) {{tpq|I had never climbed a mountain before, Everest was my first}}. This is not indicative of a serious mountaineer but rather a rich person willing and able to pay actual Sherpa mountaineers to help him get to the top for publicity purposes. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 09:07, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Although it doesnt seem to be that easy for me to climb everest as it seems for you. I think its still very dangerous and a notable achievement [[User:Ayohama|Ayohama]] ([[User talk:Ayohama|talk]]) 09:21, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::Agree with you [[User:Ayohama|Ayohama]] ([[User talk:Ayohama|talk]]) 09:20, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Thanks for the hint, i thought the Metadata is correct [[User:Ayohama|Ayohama]] ([[User talk:Ayohama|talk]]) 09:27, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|Ayohama}} The uploader or someone else has emailed Commons VRT regarding these files and is currently being processed by VRT. Assuming things check out, the [[:c:Template:Permission received]] added to each file's page will be changed to [[:c:Template:PermissionTicket]] by the VRT member reviewing the email. Once this happens, the files will be fine from a copyright standpoint; so, in principle, they're OK to be used. From an encyclopedic standpoint, though, things might still need to be sorted out on the article's talk page, particularly if others feel (like expressed above) that they shouldn't be used in the main infobox. One representative image in the body of the article should, however, be OK. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 10:07, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Was thinking after our conversations, the infobox is not the right place there. MAYBE at Personal life, where context is about Everest is fine. Max [[User:Ayohama|Ayohama]] ([[User talk:Ayohama|talk]]) 10:10, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::According to [[List of Mount Everest summiters by frequency]], more than 6,000 people have summited Everest (as of 2022), so agree that if any placement at all, then at Personal life. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 11:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::And the record for a non-Sherpa (actually an Englishman) is 18 (exceeded by 9 individual Sherpas). {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} [[Special:Contributions/94.6.84.253|94.6.84.253]] ([[User talk:94.6.84.253|talk]]) 05:40, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::[[User:Lonely34|Lonely34]] claims of "own work" are now verified by [[commons:Commons:Volunteer_Response_Team|c:COM:VRT]]. If you want, you can go ahead and place the [[:File:Dadvan Yousuf with Kurdistan Flag.jpg]] under "Personal Life". I guess the article itself is interesting to work on in the future- the tone is sometimes too promotional and the text layout weird- Reads like a chronology rather then a WP Article. [[User:Ayohama|Ayohama]] ([[User talk:Ayohama|talk]]) 13:39, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

== Help with improving references and notability for Eugene Vollmer draft ==

Hello! I submitted a draft for [[Draft:Eugene Vollmer|Eugene Vollmer]] but it was declined because the references didn't show significant coverage. Could anyone assist me in finding reliable sources or improving my draft to meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines? I appreciate any guidance! [[User:Sammy Tremlinn|Sammy Tremlinn]] ([[User talk:Sammy Tremlinn|talk]]) 08:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:{{u|Sammy Tremlinn}}, your draft fails to make the case that Vollmer is a truly notable athlete, although it seems that he was once highly ranked in an amateur track and field event in a country of less than a million residents. At first glance, that does not seem to be a plausible claim of notability to me. But I could be wrong. In the end, it is all about whether or not multiple indisputably reliable sources independent of Vollmer have devoted significant coverage to him. Your current sources are not independent of Vollmer and therefore do not meet that threshold. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 09:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you for the feedback, Cullen328. I understand the importance of independent and significant coverage for establishing notability. I will work on finding additional sources that meet these criteria and provide substantial information about Eugene Vollmer's achievements. If you have any suggestions for where I might look or types of sources to prioritize, I’d greatly appreciate it! [[User:Sammy Tremlinn|Sammy Tremlinn]] ([[User talk:Sammy Tremlinn|talk]]) 10:01, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::[[List of newspapers in Fiji]] might be a starting point: many of those entities are likely to be [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|Reliable sources]]. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} [[Special:Contributions/94.6.84.253|94.6.84.253]] ([[User talk:94.6.84.253|talk]]) 05:48, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

== New page ==

Hello, I was thinking of making a new page about the New Zealand retail company PB Technologies, but I think I'll be going in too far over my head if I start it myself, so I was wondering where I could propose the Idea so that I could join forces with a more experienced Wikipedian to make the page a reality. [[User:Sup3rG33k08|Sup3rG33k08]] ([[User talk:Sup3rG33k08|talk]]) 08:51, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

:Hello. You can go to [[WP:RA|Requested articles]], but it is backlogged to the point of uselessness, any request you make there will likely not be acted on for some time, if ever. You are wise to be cautious in attempting to create a new '''article''', but if you want to see one created, it likely won't happen unless you do it yourself. You can use the [[WP:WIZARD|Article Wizard]] to create and submit a draft for review by more experienced editors. You would first need to gather independent [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] to summarize in an article, and review the [[WP:ORG|definition of a notable business]] to see if this business meets it(most do not).
:If you are associated with this business, that needs to be disclosed, see [[WP:COI]] and [[WP:PAID]]. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 10:05, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::Articles about companies need to comply with [[WP:NCORP]] and call for attention to being neutral point of view, not in any way promotional. Teahouse Hosts are here to advise, not to be coauthors. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 12:09, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

== Adding unnumbered tracks to an upcoming album ==


Hello,
Hello,


This artist has been teasing some track titles (and snippets) from their upcoming album, [[So Close to What|''So Close To What'']]. Some titles are speculated, some were directly teased and are confirmed. How would I go about adding those tracks, assuming I don't know their numbers? The album has a Spotify countdown page, so the two pre-released singles have already been added in track list format. [[User:Lashyurn|Lashyurn]] ([[User talk:Lashyurn|talk]]) 10:39, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
I am his grandson.I have edited his page as well as added pictures. No one else has any business revising my edits. Now I'm blocked from editing his page. Please advise if there is someone more qualified to update his page and I won't bother it anymore [[User:Joepoe1961|Joepoe1961]] ([[User talk:Joepoe1961|talk]]) 09:48, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
:{{u|Joepoe1961}} Hello and welcome. Almost any editor may edit almost any article. You are not blocked, but you should avoid directly editing the article- instead, you should use the article talk page([[Talk:Joe Pappio]]) to make an [[WP:ER|edit request]](click for instructions). [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 10:00, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
:[[User:Lashyurn|Lashyurn]], I read that this album "scheduled to be released on February 21, 2025". I suggest that you simply wait until February 21, 2025. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 12:24, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::Oh, that's fine. I was just following what I saw was done with SZA's ''[[Lana (album)|LANA]]'' 10 days prior to its release. Thank you! :) [[User:Lashyurn|Lashyurn]] ([[User talk:Lashyurn|talk]]) 12:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Joepoe1961|Joepoe1961]] The article is lacking sources. The only one currently is a .pdf which mentions Pappio in two general listings, which is certainly not [[WP:SIGCOV|significant coverage]]. As his grandson, don't you know of any further [[WP:RS|reliably published]] sources, for example from contemporary newspapers? If so, we would welcome you pointing these out on the Talk Page of the article. The only reason we don't like relatives placing material directly into the article is because you have a [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]] that means you might not write as neutrally about Pappio as [[WP:NPOV|our policy]] requires. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 11:12, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
:::Hi [[User:Lashyurn|Lashyurn]], in that article, [[Special:Permalink/1263529594#Track listing|there were reliable sources]] that reported on the teasers for the singles. If that is the case for this album, I think a mention in the Promotion section could be nice. Things that are not being reported on by reliable, independent sources or are pure speculation are usually not included here, especially if they are self published or original research. Feel free to drop sources here for us to take a look :D [[User:Justiyaya|'''<span style="color:#1d556d">Just</span>''']][[Special:Contributions/Justiyaya|'''<span style="color:#000000">i</span>''']][[User talk:Justiyaya#top|'''<span style="color:#6d351d">yaya</span>''']] 12:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Citation information below:
::::These are my sources (and titles):
::::"Dear god" - Played at listening party and posted snippets on TikTok
::::"Revolving door" - Played at listening party and posted snippets on TikTok
::::"Moments" - Title posted on her management's Instagram as a collaboration with Spotify on December 13, 2024
::::"Greenlight" - Played at listening party and title shown in album trailer
::::"Star child" - Title shown at the beginning of the "[[It's OK I'm OK|It's ok I'm ok]]" music video
::::Would these sources be considered reliable? I have links/pictures/videos to each of those [[User:Lashyurn|Lashyurn]] ([[User talk:Lashyurn|talk]]) 13:03, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::Unfortunately none of those are secondary sources, @[[User:Lashyurn|Lashyurn]]. What we're looking for is mainstream music journalists who are reporting on the album. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;">'''[[User:Qcne|<span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span>]]''' <small>[[User talk:Qcne|<span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span>]]</small></span> 17:35, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Oh, I thought I could take them from the artist themselves. Thank you! I'll wait until release. [[User:Lashyurn|Lashyurn]] ([[User talk:Lashyurn|talk]]) 18:00, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::No, sources from the person that the article is about are considered [[WP:PRIMARY|primary sources]]. <span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:#fff;border:2px dashed#69c73e">[[User:Cowboygilbert|<span style="color:#3f6b39">'''Cowboygilbert'''</span>]] - [[User talk:Cowboygilbert|<span style="color:#d12667"> (talk) ♥</span>]]</span> 22:02, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:I suggest to wait till release too [[User:Ayohama|Ayohama]] ([[User talk:Ayohama|talk]]) 13:33, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

== English Version of the German Article Judith Kakon ==

Hello there, I just want to create the same article in english, I already created this article in german, all I want is to have a translated version. Could you please help me? My request was already denied twice.
This is the german article: Judith Kakon. [[User:Avaa Malula|Avaa Malula]] ([[User talk:Avaa Malula|talk]]) 14:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Avaa Malula|Avaa Malula]] It appears as if German Wikipedia has the same concerns as English Wikipedia; that the article does not sufficiently prove its subject's [[WP:NOTABILITY|notability]]. Please read [[WP:YFA]] and [[WP:42]]. [[User:CommissarDoggo|<b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#fc1008">Commissar</b><b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Doggo</b>]]''[[User talk:CommissarDoggo|<sup style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Talk?</sup>]]'' 14:30, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::[[Draft:Judith Kakon]] has no references. The content that is now under a description of her approach to art (my wording) comes across as either your or her description. All of this should be deleted unless it can be referenced to published descriptions of her and her work. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 14:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:Hey @[[User:Avaa Malula|Avaa Malula]]
:It’s great that you’re interested in contributing to the English Wikipedia by translating an article. However, there are a few things to consider to ensure the article meets the standards required on the English Wikipedia:
:1. Improving the Original Article: The [[:de:Judith_Kakon|German article]] you created currently has notices indicating issues with missing citations and important information about the subject’s works. These issues suggest that the article may not yet meet Wikipedia's notability and verifiability standards. Before translating the article, it’s a good idea to improve it by:
:- Adding reliable and independent sources that demonstrate Judith Kakon's notability.
:- Including details about her important works or achievements.
:2. Meeting English Wikipedia Standards: The English Wikipedia has specific requirements for biographies. It’s important to:
:- Demonstrate notability according to the General Notability Guideline ([[Wikipedia:Notability|WP:GNG]]).
:- Provide inline citations from reliable sources to back up claims.
:- Write in a neutral tone without promotional language.
:3. Translation Guidelines: When translating articles, you must include a note on the article’s talk page to credit the original German version. See the [[Wikipedia:Translation|Wikipedia:Translation guidelines]] for details on how to do this properly.
:4. Steps to Resubmit: Once you’ve improved the content and addressed the above points:
:- Draft the translated article in your sandbox.
:- Add sources that meet English Wikipedia’s standards.
:- Submit it for review through the Articles for Creation (AfC) process.
:If you need help improving the article or drafting it in English, feel free to ask here. [[User:Ayohama|Ayohama]] ([[User talk:Ayohama|talk]]) 07:53, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

== Last aired date in the future ==

This article revison [[Special:Permalink/1266730608|SAS: Rogue Heroes revison of 02:04, 2 January 2025]] has a last aired date for series 2 which is in the future. What is probably meant is that the last episode is scheduled for broadcast on that date, but as it was worded it is factually incorrect. I've seen this on other such articles in the past. Has there been any discussions about wether this is acceptible or not? If so, can you direct me to any official decisions? [[User:Dubidubno|Dubidub]] ([[User talk:Dubidubno|talk]]) 14:49, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

:See [[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not|WP:FUTURE]] - Specifically, see the section NOTCRYSTALBALL, which states that Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Articles should not speculate on future events unless they are verifiable and sourced. The correct phrasing should reflect that the episode is "scheduled to air" on that date to maintain accuracy and neutrality. [[User:Ayohama|Ayohama]] ([[User talk:Ayohama|talk]]) 07:45, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

== How do I clean up formatting of tables? ==

On the [[Columbia_University#Academics|Columbia University]] article, the ''Rankings'' section has quite poor formatting; the ranking tables are being displayed fully below the Library and Barnard images on the right side. How would I go about cleaning up table formatting in wikitext to remove the large blank gap? [[User:Doawk7|Doawk7]] ([[User talk:Doawk7|talk]]) 21:13, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:I solved it by removing those images:) [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 07:38, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

== How to ask ArbCom to lower protection status on Armenia-Azerbaijan ==

I was going to submit an ArbCom request to lower protection of Armenia-Azerbaijan due to the conflict cooling and amends being made, however I changed my mind and decided to ask here first. How would I get the Arbitration Committee or whoever imposed the sanction on Ar-Az to hear on the matter? [[User:SimpleSubCubicGraph|SimpleSubCubicGraph]] ([[User talk:SimpleSubCubicGraph|talk]]) 00:21, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
*That's not an ArbCom matter; you can ask for that at [[Wikipedia:Requests for page protection]], [[User:SimpleSubCubicGraph|SimpleSubCubicGraph]]. Are you asking about [[Nagorno-Karabakh conflict]]? You can edit that--after you've made a few more article edits. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 01:34, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
**@[[User:Drmies|Drmies]] I mean the consensus to make everything Armenia and Azerbaijan, even if its a tragic plane crash extended confirmed protected. I feel like it should be knocked down due to calming geopolitical tensions in the Caucasus. [[User:SimpleSubCubicGraph|SimpleSubCubicGraph]] ([[User talk:SimpleSubCubicGraph|talk]]) 03:04, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
***Also I have 251 edits, that is nowhere near 500. [[User:SimpleSubCubicGraph|SimpleSubCubicGraph]] ([[User talk:SimpleSubCubicGraph|talk]]) 03:04, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
****In that case, [[User:SimpleSubCubicGraph|SimpleSubCubicGraph]], you're talking about [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2]] and you'd have to appeal that. I just looked over the page and I have no idea how to do that--and I used to be on ArbCom. Read over [[Wikipedia:Contentious topics]], and good luck! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 17:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

== Referencing an article on Wikipedia ==

I am reviewing an article and came across a source that cited another article from Wikipedia. This is the first time I have seen this. This isn’t acceptable is it? [[User:BigChrisKenney|BigChrisKenney]] ([[User talk:BigChrisKenney|talk]]) 00:35, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:Hello @[[User:BigChrisKenney|BigChrisKenney]]. You are correct. Sources that lead to Wikipedia or any Wikimedia project are unreliable. See [[WP:CIRCULAR]]. [[User:Tarlby|<span style="color:cyan;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">''Tarl''</span><span style="color:orange;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">''by''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Tarlby|''t'']]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tarlby|''c'']])</sup> 01:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you @[[User:Tarlby|Tarlby]] for the speedy reply and the direction to the exact policy! [[User:BigChrisKenney|BigChrisKenney]] ([[User talk:BigChrisKenney|talk]]) 01:43, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::You can jsut delete the ref to a Wikipedia article, but a better practice would be to look within that Wikipedia article to find a ref (refs) that support the content, and then copy those refs to the article you have concerns about. If you do this, in your Edit summary consider stating that you copied content from - naming the source article. Wikipedia does allow copying content and refs from Wikipedia articles with attribution. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 14:17, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

== Writer or Screenwriter? ==

Quick question: creating a stub-starter on Donald Ross: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Maineartists/sandbox#Personal_life] who was a television screenwriter, celebrity game show panelist (with his wife [[Patti Deutsch]]) and producer. Since there are other [[Donald Ross]] articles, would you accompanying his name with (writer) or (screenwriter) for the published article? He has no distinguishing middle name / initial. Deutsch's article refers to him as "comedy screenwriter and playwright", but Ross never wrote any plays. TIA. [[User:Maineartists|Maineartists]] ([[User talk:Maineartists|talk]]) 02:16, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:[[User:Maineartists|Maineartists]], "Donald Ross (writer)" seems OK to me. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 03:50, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:(writer) seems OK to me too [[User:Ayohama|Ayohama]] ([[User talk:Ayohama|talk]]) 07:23, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Great. Thanks all. [[User:Maineartists|Maineartists]] ([[User talk:Maineartists|talk]]) 13:47, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

== What is the opinion on wikipedia writing services? ==

How would I detect if an article has been secretly written and paid for? There are services that you can reach just by searching on google and I would like to know if there are any ways to detect them or do something about them. [[User:SimpleSubCubicGraph|SimpleSubCubicGraph]] ([[User talk:SimpleSubCubicGraph|talk]]) 04:32, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

:Hello! If there is an editor who might be paid and performing edits, raise the issue at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents|WP:ANI]] or [[Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard|WP:COIN]] noticeboards. If there are any private details you have found about the editor or services, please send an email to paid-en-wp@wikipedia.org . '''[[User:TNM101|<span style="color:red;">TNM</span><span style="color:black;">101</span>]]''' ([[User talk:TNM101|<span style="color:blue;">chat</span>]]) 05:24, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:Hi, SSCG, did you have any specific articles in mind? I would say that there are heuristics I know of, but there's nothing definitive overall. Heustics I've identified for undisclosed paid/COI include (''please'' do not use any of these to make definitive accusations; these observations are potential starting points, not endpoints):
:* The article has an image of an otherwise obscure person which is usually marked as "own work". This image is posed, not candid, indicating that either the subject themself uploaded it or they've given it to somebody else to use as effectively a PR photo on Wikipedia. Some subjects presumably will enthusiastically freely license their image even when they have no part in an article because they're just jazzed to have their own article, but what can be really suspect is when the uploader of the image is the same editor who created and/or has heavily edited the article itself.
:* The article was already very long, well-formatted, and essentially complete right out of the gate. For new editors, sometimes articles after going through the draft process can come out looking alright, but these edits skip the draft process altogether yet still seem like they've been written out ahead of time off-site. Whereas I take an incremental approach to my writing, experienced editors very often will pre-write everything out in their sandbox and then transfer their work into the article space once they're happy with it, but in my experience, this is highly uncommon for newer editors who organically create articles about subjects they're interested in.
:* The article was created or heavily modified by a [[WP:SPA]], which seemingly has not interacted elsewhere on Wikipedia.
:* The editor tries to wikilink this article absolutely everywhere they possibly can once it's created, presumably for a mix of SEO and for drawing as many eyes to that subject as possible on-wiki.
:* The article is mostly primary references, and a lot of it is [[WP:PUFFERY]]. For companies, a dead giveaway for something like this is when there's an entire section on some stupid PR BS the company did which is only cited to press releases from that company about what a great thing(TM) they did. Basically, consider [[WP:DUE]].
:* The article goes into excruciating depth about a subject (sometimes this is just fans being fans, but for example, there was one some years ago about a Lithuanian(?) alt-rock band whose primary editor I thought to be just an overly enthusiastic fan but who I discovered was secretly the band's manager or something to that effect).
:* The 'External links' section contains an inordinate amount of links to social media (this one to me generally indicates that it's autobiographical, whereas I assume you specifically want contracted third parties).
:* The editor has a username-violating policy which indicates they're part of the subject organization.
:* The subject likely doesn't meet the [[WP:GNG]] but has been [[WP:REFBOMB]]ed to give the appearance that it does.
:* The subject is a very niche a) product/service/work, b) company/organization, or c) person. Depending on the nature of the organization (e.g. a club), this may not be "paid" as much as it is [[WP:COI]].
:* The subject is not written about in [[WP:NPOV|a neutral way]]. If there is negative coverage of the subject in reliable sources, it is strangely absent.
:If you strongly suspect that an editor is engaging in undisclosed paid editing, the boards {{u|TNM101}} suggests are great resources. I would caution too however that if your suspicion isn't that strong, you can start by just asking them at their talk page. Sometimes they're earnestly trying to improve the encyclopedia about something they're very familiar with because they're a part of it, but they've failed out of ignorance of forgetfulness to disclose that on their user page. <b>[[User:TheTechnician27|<span style="color: #00a9ff"><i>TheTechnician27</i></span>]]</b> [[User talk:TheTechnician27|<span style="color: blue">(Talk page)</span>]] 06:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:TheTechnician27|TheTechnician27]]@[[User:TNM101|TNM101]] I wasn't talking about COIs or paid editing, I already know and have remembered both WP pages. I was just wondering if Wikipedia could take action against those services aka take them to court. [[User:SimpleSubCubicGraph|SimpleSubCubicGraph]] ([[User talk:SimpleSubCubicGraph|talk]]) 06:59, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::That doesn't seem to be within our scope, and I am pretty sure that the Wikimedia Foundation doesn't take legal action against anyone since it's a non-profit. '''[[User:TNM101|<span style="color:red;">TNM</span><span style="color:black;">101</span>]]''' ([[User talk:TNM101|<span style="color:blue;">chat</span>]]) 07:12, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::I can't think of a single viable avenue by which Wikipedia could take successful legal action against undisclosed paid editors. If you tried to bring a civil suit, you'd be trying to prove what's called a [[tort]]. The WMF would have to prove that 1) the editor had a legal duty to act in a certain way (they didn't; nothing legally says you have to identify an employer when you contribute to a website); 2) that the defendent breached this duty (i.e. if you could somehow prove 1 (not possible), then you would still need to prove in court that your suspicions are [[preponderance of evidence|more probable than not]]); and 3) that the WMF suffered injury or loss as a result of this undisclosed paid editing (short of some absolutely enormous conspiracy that blows up and damages the WMF's reputation, this is functionally impossible, because the reality is that any loss is negligible at best). <b>[[User:TheTechnician27|<span style="color: #00a9ff"><i>TheTechnician27</i></span>]]</b> [[User talk:TheTechnician27|<span style="color: blue">(Talk page)</span>]] 07:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Deep thanks to [[User:TheTechnician27]] for putting all these undeclared paid flags in one place. If this is not already the subject of an essay, it should be. I do see that [[Wikipedia:Identifying PR]] is an existing essay flagging behavior that draws content from press releases. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 11:45, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

:Thank you very much for all the responses, is there anyway I can see of all the times when paid editors or undisclosed COIs were caught in the act? [[User:SimpleSubCubicGraph|SimpleSubCubicGraph]] ([[User talk:SimpleSubCubicGraph|talk]]) 04:33, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

== Improving a page through including my own research ==

The 'icing the kicker' page can benefit from the following recent addition in regards to the effectiveness of this practice:

"Most recently and extensively, Professor Nadav Goldschmied and Tyler Ratkovich from the University of San Diego and Mike Raphaeli from Nanning Vocational and Technical University (China) found that in 25 NFL seasons (1999-2024) the success for "pressure kicks" (two minutes or less to the end of the game when -3, −2, −1, tied or in overtime) when iced was 74.1% as opposed to 79.8% otherwise which represented a significant decline in performance.

'''Goldschmied, N.''', Ratkovich, T*., & Raphaeli, M. (2024) NFL field goal kicking under pressure: An expanded replication of icing the kicker strategy. ''Journal of Applied Sport Psychology.''

Thanks,

Nadav Goldschmied


[[User:Ngoldschmied11|Ngoldschmied11]] ([[User talk:Ngoldschmied11|talk]]) 05:42, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

:The place to suggest this, [[User:Ngoldschmied11|Ngoldschmied11]], is [[Talk:Icing the kicker]]. (Better, I think: "A study found that in 25 NFL seasons..." Interested readers will identify the authors from the reference.) -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 05:48, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::Fine by me! so do I add the modification or is it done by another editor since it is my work?
::Thanks,
::Nadav [[User:Ngoldschmied11|Ngoldschmied11]] ([[User talk:Ngoldschmied11|talk]]) 06:15, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Ngoldschmied11|Ngoldschmied11]] pretty sure this falls under [[WP:No original research]] [[User:SimpleSubCubicGraph|SimpleSubCubicGraph]] ([[User talk:SimpleSubCubicGraph|talk]]) 07:00, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::::{{u|SimpleSubCubicGraph}} Not quite. If the observations on kicking success/failure were unpublished, that would be original research. If published in a reliable source, such as a science journal article, OK to use. However, Wikipedia advises researchers who are also Wikipedia editors to not cite their own work. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 12:05, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Hello, @[[User:Ngoldschmied11|Ngoldschmied11]]: in case it's not clear from the other responses: you are discouraged from citing your own work, as that is regarded as a [[WP:conflict of interest|conflict of interest]], but you are welcome to suggest an edit which cites your own work, so that another editor decides what to do with your suggestion. If you use the [[WP:edit request wizard|edit request wizard]] that will guide you. Please make your suggestion as precise as possible (eg "Inset XXX at the end of the paragraph beginning YYY") [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 13:10, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

== Shortened forms list ==

Hello. Is there any place I could get the shortened forms of all Wikipedia guidelines and a brief definition (e.g. [[WP:GNG]], [[WP:NPV]])? I usually find it difficult to use the shortened forms when commenting and I just go for the full name. <span style="color:#9400D3;">[[User:Josedimaria|Jõsé]]<sup>[[User talk:Josedimaria|''hola'']]</sup></span> 07:13, 3 January 2025 (UTC)


:Hello @[[User:Josedimaria|Josedimaria]]. See [[WP:WP]]. [[User:Tarlby|<span style="color:cyan;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">''Tarl''</span><span style="color:orange;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">''by''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Tarlby|''t'']]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tarlby|''c'']])</sup> 07:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
https://ualr.edu/sequoyah/thisday/hominy-indians-triumph-new-york-giants/#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20article%2C%20on,there%20to%20witness%20the%20action. This event is also family history for me.
:Hey, how about [[Wikipedia:Shortcut index]] or [[Wikipedia:List of policies and guidelines]] and might be an idea to work out something for [[Wikipedia:Glossary of shortcuts]] [[User:Ayohama|Ayohama]] ([[User talk:Ayohama|talk]]) 07:21, 3 January 2025 (UTC)


== Creating a new page ==
[[User:Joepoe1961|Joepoe1961]] ([[User talk:Joepoe1961|talk]]) 12:13, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
Joe Poe Jr


I want to make a new Wikipedia page but the name already exists so what should I do [[User:Chetan4u1|Chetan4u1]] ([[User talk:Chetan4u1|talk]]) 10:05, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:[[User:Joepoe1961|Joepoe1961]], please sign your comments. (You do this by hitting "~" four times in a row.) The only mention in that link of your grandfather is a single sentence quoted from a newspaper, viz: {{Olive|Nix, Pappio, Geo, and John Levi played a bang up game for the Indians while Ben Hobsome, Comstock, and Miller shone with equal brilliance for the Giants.}} This is not "[[WP:SIGCOV|significant coverage]]". -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 11:57, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
::@[[User:Joepoe1961|Joepoe1961]] I am a member of the [[WP:The Wikipedia library]] and accessed newspaperarchive.com via that. I readily found a citation in the Cincinnati Commercial Tribune Newspaper Archives for October 7, 1928 Page 9, which actually ''is significant coverage'' for Pappio and includes a photo of him. You can access the website at [https://newspaperarchive.com/ this URL] and do further research (you don't qualify for the Wikipedia library as you haven't contributed here enough). Don't place anything you find in the archives at the Teahouse, use [[Talk:Joe Pappio]]. Note also that the link to rutgers.edu in the article has rotted and you'll need to look for it in the [[Wayback machine]]. Good luck. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 12:41, 25 January 2023 (UTC)


:Can you tell us the name of the article so we can better understand the situation? [[User:Ivebeenhacked|Hacked]] ([[User talk:Ivebeenhacked|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Ivebeenhacked|Contribs]]) 10:10, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
== [https://www.ghacks.net/2023/01/25/how-to-restore-wikipedias-old-design/ How to restore Wikipedia's old design] ==
:@[[User:Chetan4u1|Chetan4u1]] Welcome to the Teahouse. You don't need to worry about that at this stage. You can create a draft article by following the process at [[WP:AfC]]. If and when it is accepted into the encyclopedia (most draft articles are not), the reviewer will attend to the naming, which might require a [[WP:DISAMBIG|disambiguation page]], but if you haven't written a Wikipedia article before you'll have plenty of other hoops to jump through before this becomes an issue. [[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]]|[[User talk:Shantavira|<sup>feed me</sup>]] 10:15, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Chetan4u1|Chetan4u1]] Your attempt to create an article about Isabel Myers who is an actress has been deleted and a redirect created to [[Isabel Briggs Myers]], a different person. To start over, use [[WP:YFA]] to create a draft named Isabel Myers (actress). That said, common advice here is to gain experience improving existing articles before attempting to create an article. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 12:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Thanks Brother but if I make a draft then how can I change the name of the page if it already exists. [[User:Chetan4u1|Chetan4u1]] ([[User talk:Chetan4u1|talk]]) 12:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Chetan4u1|Chetan4u1]] If you're working on a draft on an individual who shares their name with someone who already has an existing article, you're supposed to differentiate/distinguish your draft from the existing article. You cannot 'delete' or 'change the name' of an article that has been reviewed and exists. In your case, name your draft '''Isabel Myers (actress)''', since the subject of the existing article, [[Isabel Briggs Myers]], is a writer. <span style="background-color: black; padding: 2px 3px 1px 3px;">[[User:Dissoxciate|<span style="color: greenyellow">'''Dissoxciate'''</span>]] [[User talk:Dissoxciate|<span style="color: turquoise">(talk)</span>]]</span> 13:19, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::<small>@[[User:Dissoxciate|Dissoxciate]], I disagree with you. When creating a draft, you ''may'' disambiguate the title, but you don't need to, and you certainly aren't "supposed to". New editors probably don't know our disambiguation rules anyway, so I would not encourage them to try.
:::::For your second point, you can [[WP:move|move]] an existing article to a new title, and that sometimes needs to happen when a new article is created about something with the same name. But I agree that if Chean4u1 is asking how to change the name of an existing article in order to hijack it, they shouldn't. </small> [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 13:58, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Hello, @[[User:Chetan4u1|Chetan4u1]], and welcome to the Teahouse.
::::The answer to your specific question is that you change the name of an article or other page by [[WP:MOVE|moving]] it; but I suggest you forget about this for the moment because 1) as a new user you don't have access to that tool yet, and 2) at your present stage it is irrelevant to what you want to do.
::::{{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}}
::::When you are ready to create the draft, you can completely ignore the titles of any existing articles. You will be creating [[Draft:Isabel Myers]] (which doesn't exist at present, which is why it is in red). After you have developed an acceptable draft for an article (which is '''much''' harder than it looks to new editors, and will almost certainly give you frustration and disappointment if you don't take David's and my advice above), you will submit it for review, and if the reviewer accepts it, they will sort out ''all'' the issues about naming it. OK? [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 13:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::Thanks I will try my best. [[User:Chetan4u1|Chetan4u1]] ([[User talk:Chetan4u1|talk]]) 14:17, 3 January 2025 (UTC)


== adding a clarification in response to a user request ==
For the interested, it says you can do it without registering. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 13:04, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
:Thanks for that, {{u|Gråbergs Gråa Sång}}! I've downloaded the Firefox fix and it seems to be working. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} [[Special:Contributions/90.212.208.82|90.212.208.82]] ([[User talk:90.212.208.82|talk]]) 13:59, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
::Great! [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 16:29, 25 January 2023 (UTC)


Hello, in doing what described in subject, should one delete the [[Graphite bomb|request]] for clarification, or leave it there? [[User:1808Eolo3|1808Eolo3]] ([[User talk:1808Eolo3|talk]]) 10:14, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
== I found an account which may be doing edits on behalf of a website, but I am not sure how to deal with it ==


:@[[User:1808Eolo3|1808Eolo3]] Welcome to the Teahouse. If you mean resolving a {{how}} template (with adequate referencing) then you may remove the template. [[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]]|[[User talk:Shantavira|<sup>feed me</sup>]] 10:36, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Account: Gekiclaws


== What is sandbox and how should I use it? ==
May be editing on behalf of: [[Chess.com]]


How can I use sandbox [[User:Juamisi25|Juamisi25]] ([[User talk:Juamisi25|talk]]) 10:54, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Proof for my claim: https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxZc5-Nm9cU5VGzx7TsLG05w3bW0rVv_EK (post by Chess.com claiming that "they" fixed [[Daniel Rensch]]'s Wikipedia <s>page</s> article)


:@[[User:Juamisi25|Juamisi25]] Welcome to the Teahouse! All should be explained at [[H:SAND|this help page]]: basically your personal sandbox is a place for you to experiment with editing without messing anything up in the main encyclopedia. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 10:58, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Article diff: https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Daniel_Rensch&diff=prev&oldid=1135345321&diffmode=source
:Short and simple: [[Special:MyPage/sandbox| follow this link]] — you can do whatever with it as long as it's productive Wikipedia Stuff, use it to practice edits, put together rough drafts etcetera --[[User:Slowking Man|Slowking Man]] ([[User talk:Slowking Man|talk]]) 01:15, 4 January 2025 (UTC)


== Error with interlanguage link template ==
However, this account has only done one edit that is relevant to chess, so I don't know how to handle this. Can someone help me out here? '''''[[User:Tube of Light|Tube]]·[[User talk:Tube of Light|of]]·[[Special:Contributions/Tube_of_Light|Light]]''''' 14:29, 25 January 2023 (UTC)


So while editing [[Guangdong Public Security Department]], I added an interlanguage link in the infobox, and for whatever reason in the infobox right after the interlanguage link are two brackets(]]). I entered the interlanguage link properly from both experience and directions, may I ask what I did wrong and how to solve this issue? [[User:Thehistorianisaac|Thehistorianisaac]] ([[User talk:Thehistorianisaac|talk]]) 11:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Tube of Light|Tube of Light]] I see the diff you mentioned {{diff2|1135345321|was reverted}} 20 minutes later. [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 14:38, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
:Hi {{u|Thehistorianisaac}}. I think this might have something to do with the syntax of [[:Template:Infobox law enforcement agency]]. If you look at the syntax for the {{para|Secondary governing body}} parameter, it appears things are set up to convert whatever is added for that parameter into a Wikilink. If you remove the {{tlx|ill}} template for that parameter, it will format it as a [[:WP:REDLINK]]. You could try asking about this on the template's talk page or at [[:WP:VPT]]; however, I don't think you can remove the brackets without removing them from the infobox template's syntax, and doing that would affect other articles where the template is being transcluded. You might be just have to [[:WP:HIDDEN|hide]] the parameter for the time being until a fix can be found or just go with the red link. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 12:09, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::Yeah, but since they only did one edit on behalf of chess.com, should the user be warned for unpaid editing or not, @[[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]]? '''''[[User:Tube of Light|Tube]]·[[User talk:Tube of Light|of]]·[[Special:Contributions/Tube_of_Light|Light]]''''' 06:46, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
::Ok thank you [[User:Thehistorianisaac|Thehistorianisaac]] ([[User talk:Thehistorianisaac|talk]]) 12:14, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
*{{re|Tube of Light}}, per [[WP:OUTING]], {{tq|Posting another editor's personal information is harassment, unless that person has voluntarily posted their own information, or links to such information, '''on Wikipedia'''. Personal information includes (...) home or workplace address, job title and work organisation (...)}} (emphasis in the original). Please don’t do that again. Off-wiki evidence can be used for high-level cases by emailing it to admins etc., but don’t post it publicly.
:::{{ping|Thehistorianisaac}}. The documentation for the parameter at [[Template:Infobox law enforcement agency]] says "Do not link. The template will link." I looked at the implementation and it doesn't appear possible to add an interlanguage link there. If the link is important then you can add it to the opening paragraph instead. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 12:19, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:In addition, it is not clear to me whether someone at chess.com actually made the edit, or whether they just used a preview to make a humorous screenshot and then {{U|Gekiclaws}} actually made it for fun after seeing the post. It would have been best to politely ask Gekiclaws on their talk page (with vague phrasing such as "are you employed by the subject of any of the articles you edited?") before rushing to judgement. Finally, as vandalism go, that’s rather mild, so I don’t think a harsh warning is needed either. [[User:Tigraan|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;color:#008000;">Tigraan</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Tigraan|<span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)</span>]]</sup> 09:48, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
::::thanks [[User:Thehistorianisaac|Thehistorianisaac]] ([[User talk:Thehistorianisaac|talk]]) 12:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::Oh, shoot, sorry about that, @[[User:Tigraan|Tigraan]]. And about the possibility of the user editing ''after the post by chess.com'', yeah, I hadn't considered that. '''''[[User:Tube of Light|Tube]]·[[User talk:Tube of Light|of]]·[[Special:Contributions/Tube_of_Light|Light]]''''' 14:54, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|Thehistorianisaac}} If you really want to include the interlanguage link, you might replace the linked "provincial government" in the second sentence of the article with the ILL you were using in the infobox. [[User:Deor|Deor]] ([[User talk:Deor|talk]]) 23:47, 3 January 2025 (UTC)


== Feedback on whether my edit was correct ==
== Can someone help me with archiving bot? ==


You can edit my talk page [[User:Cactusisme|'''<span style="color:#0D98BA;">Cactus</span><span style="color:#013220;">🌵</span>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Cactusisme|<i style="color:green">spiky</i>]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Cactusisme|<i style="color:green">ouch</i>]]</sup> 12:27, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Hello, is my edit correct? I have been removing these same information. [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1135572799] [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1135574464] [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1135574646]


:@[[User:Cactusisme|Cactusisme]]: Done. I have set up auto-archiving on your talk page. Lowercase Sigmabot III will now archive threads that are 7 days old, keeping at least 5 threads and archiving at least 1. If you want to customise it further, you can check out [[Help:Archiving a talk page#Example with sequentially numbered archives]] or just ping me for assistance. – [[User:DreamRimmer|<span style="color:black">'''DreamRimmer'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:DreamRimmer|'''talk''']])</small> 14:41, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Because I agree with this editor. [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1115036303]
::Thanks!!! [[User:Cactusisme|'''<span style="color:#0D98BA;">Cactus</span><span style="color:#013220;">🌵</span>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Cactusisme|<i style="color:green">spiky</i>]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Cactusisme|<i style="color:green">ouch</i>]]</sup> 01:21, 4 January 2025 (UTC)


== Images ==
That such information is of (undue weight and recentism). As I feel it's disportionate to make an entire chapter pointing out that this particular company is refusing to end business in Russia. I mean I am aware that many Russian businesses are being Sanctioned. However I am also aware many western and Asian companies are continuing to do business with Russia. I don't know the exact number but it's safe to say that the vast majority of western companies are continuing to do business with Russia. And I quote in my source - (Majority of Western companies doing business as usual in Russia, study finds -Only about 8 percent of EU firms have divested from Russia, with the majority of Western firms still active in the country being German). https://www.politico.eu/article/majority-of-western-companies-continue-business-in-russia-study-finds/ So when the vast majority of the world is doing business with Russia. I think it's extremely unfair and of undue weight for an editor to go single out certain companies and criticise them for continuing to do business with Russia. When such a thing is actually very very common among the majority of western companies in the world. It is not extraordinary or unusual. So I removed them on the basis of : (undue weight and recentism).


Is there a way one can add copyrighted images/images not in the public domain to articles, if necessary? Maybe something to do with fair use? Can someone walk me through the process, given there's one? Thanks! <span style="background-color: black; padding: 2px 3px 1px 3px;">[[User:Dissoxciate|<span style="color: greenyellow">'''Dissoxciate'''</span>]] [[User talk:Dissoxciate|<span style="color: turquoise">(talk)</span>]]</span> 12:34, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Am I wrong? I am asking you as you are all more experienced, to tell me if this is actually was the right thing to do? I don't think it was wrong but will revert if you all think I am wrong to to remove on grounds of (undue weight and recentism) [[User:Truth721|Truth721]] ([[User talk:Truth721|talk]]) 15:20, 25 January 2023 (UTC)


:Hi @[[User:Dissoxciate|Dissoxciate]]: if you haven't yet read [[WP:Non-free content]], that seems a good place to start. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 13:38, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:This gets fairly subjective. Personally, I agree with your edits and I think criticism sections should be avoided whenever possible, though I could also see a case for at least mentioning it in the article. With that said, you might want to read the Wikipedia policy about [[WP:EW|edit warring]], as it's usually not considered good form to revert several times in a row, even if you're right. If a user continues to add content that you feel is undue, you can leave a post on the talk page (which I see you did), and if a compromise or solution is not found, then you can make a post on the [[WP:NPOV/N|neutral point of view noticeboard]] to ask for further input. [[User:Thebiguglyalien|Thebiguglyalien]] ([[User talk:Thebiguglyalien|talk]]) 16:27, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
:Hello! See the instructions at [[Special:Upload]] if you want to upload the file after reading [[WP:Non-free content]] as said by [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] '''[[User:TNM101|<span style="color:red;">TNM</span><span style="color:black;">101</span>]]''' ([[User talk:TNM101|<span style="color:blue;">chat</span>]]) 13:41, 3 January 2025 (UTC)


== Is there another method besides WP:RSP to check if a source is reliable? ==
::@Thebiguglyalien thanks for your feedback and advice. I actually heard something about a village pump and assume that it means pleading your case and then getting approval from an unbiased panel or community to approve of your edit and rule it or against it. The issue is that I know such a topic is going to attract editors who are politically motivated to add that in. And I don't think good faith reasoning is going to work with them and I don't want to waste my time toedit war either. And why I mentioned it here possibly hoping for a shortcut to that village pump. Though I assume the [[WP:NPOV/N|neutral point of view noticeboard]] is that village pump that I keep hearing about. Thanks for the advice and I will be sure to take it. [[User:Truth721|Truth721]] ([[User talk:Truth721|talk]]) 20:34, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
*Checkuser note: {{noping|Truth721}} has been blocked for [[WP:SOCK|socking]].-- [[User:Ponyo|<span style="color: Navy;">'''Ponyo'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Ponyo|<span style="color: Navy;">''bons mots''</span>]]</sup> 21:57, 25 January 2023 (UTC)


Are there other ways to check if a source is reliable besides using [[WP:RSP]]? For example, are there guidelines, tools, or methods that can help evaluate a source's trustworthiness when RSP doesn’t give a clear answer? [[User:Silkroadster|Silkroadster]] ([[User talk:Silkroadster|talk]]) 13:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
== Having Trouble Confirming a Birthday ==


:@[[User:Silkroadster|Silkroadster]]: You could read [[WP:RS]] yourself to determine if a source meets its criteria, or ask on [[WP:RSN|RSN]]. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]<sub>[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]<sub>[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]</sub></sub> ([[She (pronoun)|she]]/[[Singular they|they]]) 13:34, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Hi everyone. I recently created a Wikipedia account in order to edit an error that I noticed on the article for the artist Mónica Mayer. It lists her birthday in the main text of the article, but in the side panel with basic information only has the year that she was born. I was going to fix this, and just out of curiosity, I checked the source that was cited with providing her birthday. The English page linked to the Spanish version of the article, which cites a source that claims to have her birthday. However, I could not find it anywhere on the article linked. I also did a brief google search for her birthday, and every source I could find other than the Wikipedia page only listed the year, not the date. How should I proceed? Is it best to just remove the date and keep the year, or should I keep looking, or perhaps reach out to Mayer herself for clarification? Any help is appreciated. [[User:Fleegus|Fleegus]] ([[User talk:Fleegus|talk]]) 19:14, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
:There is a userscript at [[User:Novem Linguae/Scripts/CiteHighlighter]] that takes ratings from various sources and highlights them in green, yellow or red depending on their reliability. Also, [[User:Novem Linguae/Scripts/CiteHighlighter#Original source lists|User:Novem Linguae/Scripts/CiteHighlighter#Original source lists]] is very helpful. – [[User:DreamRimmer|<span style="color:black">'''DreamRimmer'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:DreamRimmer|'''talk''']])</small> 13:48, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:DreamRimmer|DreamRimmer]] Thank you. I realized that early on in my editing, but I appreciate it again as I used it as an argument in an AFD. [[User:Silkroadster|Silkroadster]] ([[User talk:Silkroadster|talk]]) 14:21, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::While looking at the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Film/Indian cinema task force#Guidelines on sources]]. I found Hindu Businessline to be a reliable source. Does this reliability apply to news related to companies as well? [[User:Silkroadster|Silkroadster]] ([[User talk:Silkroadster|talk]]) 14:24, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Silkroadster|Silkroadster]] Sometimes searching the [[WP:RSN]] archives is helpful. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 16:39, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:Hi @[[User:Silkroadster|Silkroadster]],
:When [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources|WP:RSP]] isn’t clear, assess the publisher’s reputation, the author’s expertise, editorial standards, and independence. Check for corroboration in other reliable sources and be cautious of bias or promotional tones. [[User:Ayohama|Ayohama]] ([[User talk:Ayohama|talk]]) 17:21, 3 January 2025 (UTC)


== Company Information ==
:@[[User:Fleegus|Fleegus]] Welcome to the Teahouse! If there is no reliable published source for her date of birth, then please remove it. Any information in a Wikipedia article must be [[WP:V|verifiable]], not based on what the subject of the article says verbally. If you have any relationship with Mayer that could be construed as a [[WP:PSCOI|conflict of interest]], then I suggest using the [[Talk:Mónica Mayer|article's talk page]] to make your request, with the {{tl|request edit}} template to gain the attention of other editors. Thanks, and happy editing! [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 19:30, 25 January 2023 (UTC)


I'm needing assistance to add my small business to the Wikipedia results. I started a page, but was presented with a message that stated my content as 'non-constructive'. What do I need to do or where can I find guidelines on how to add our information ?? [[User:Rdmind|Rdmind]] ([[User talk:Rdmind|talk]]) 15:35, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:Hello {{u|Fleegus}} Welcome to the Teahouse and Welcome to Wikipedia! I'm so glad you started an account to fix a problem; most of us got started at Wikipedia similarly, and some of us have been a very long time after starting out. I hope you stick around! Regarding your question, if [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] don't have the exact date, you should remove it from the Wikipedia article unless and until the date is reliably sourced, we shouldn't include it. While this is true for all information at Wikipedia, it is ''especially'' important to hold to those standards for [[WP:BLP|articles about living people]]. If you've got reliable sourcing for the year, but not the date itself, remove the date and leave the year with its source. That would be expected practice. Does that answer your question? --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 19:34, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
::Hi Jayron, thank you so much for your advice! I'll make the changes that you suggested. And, just a personal thing - I wanted to thank you and everyone else who replied for being so kind. I am definitely a beginner to editing articles, and I really appreciate you all for being understanding, especially since it can sometimes feel like every online community loves gatekeeping these days. Have a good one! [[User:Fleegus|Fleegus]] ([[User talk:Fleegus|talk]]) 22:46, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
:And per [[WP:BLPPRIVACY]] the exact date should not be include unless it has been "widely published by reliable sources, or by sources linked to the subject such that it may reasonably be inferred that the subject does not object to the details being made public". [[User:Meters|Meters]] ([[User talk:Meters|talk]]) 19:52, 25 January 2023 (UTC)


:{{u|Rdmind}} Hello and welcome. You have no edits other than this one, so I can't look at your prior attempt. You seem to have a common misunderstanding about Wikipedia. It is [[WP:NOTDATABASE|not a database]] of things that exist, and is also not a place for companies to tell about themselves and what they do. Wikipedia articles about companies must summarize what independent [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company, showing how it meets our [[WP:ORG|special Wikipedia definition of a notable company]]. The vast majority of the millions of companies on this planet do not merit Wikipedia articles(even some that may have them, but we just haven't removed yet). Also note that a Wikipedia article [[WP:PROUD|is not necessarily desirable]]. There are good reasons to not want one. Our articles are typically written by independent editors wholly unconnected with the topic. I would suggest that you go on about the work of your company; if your company is truly notable, someone will eventually write about it. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 15:41, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
== Where for duplicate ? ==
::{{ping|331dot}} see EF. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 16:45, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Ah, I see now- I didn't realize the filter blocked things as "non constructive". I now see that their username violates policy. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 16:48, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:To add your business to Wikipedia, it must meet [[WP:Notability (organizations)]], with significant coverage in independent, reliable sources. Avoid promotional content and write neutrally. If you’re connected to the business, disclose your [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]] and suggest edits instead of directly creating or editing. Use the [[WP:Article wizard]] to draft and submit for review. But honestly speaking: take the advice from @[[User:331dot|331dot]]- go on about the work of your company [[User:Ayohama|Ayohama]] ([[User talk:Ayohama|talk]]) 17:17, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::Per message on your Talk page, before doing anything, either do a formal name change or abandon this account and start a new one. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 16:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)


== Weatherbox placement ==
Hi, I would like to know where should i go to discuss about a duplicate ? [[User:Gavecuriut|Gavecuriut]] ([[User talk:Gavecuriut|talk]]) 19:44, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
:{{ping|Gavecuriut}} Sorry, I'd like to help, but I need more information. A duplicate ''what'' exactly? Can you give us some more details so we can answer your question, or direct you to the correct location? --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 19:50, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
:::A duplicate about family biography between [[Baba Ali Chaouch]] and [[Ali Khodja]], same history, same sources at different periods{{Cite journal|last1=Veronne|first1=La|last2=De|first2=Chantal|date=1980|title=Abdeijalil Temimi. Le Beylik de Constantine et Hādj Ahmed Bey (1830- 1837). Tunis, 1978. In-8°, 300 pages, 24 planches hors texte. (Publications de la Revue d'histoire maghrébine, 1.)|url=https://www.persee.fr/doc/bec_0373-6237_1980_num_138_1_450192_t1_0131_0000_2|journal=Bibliothèque de l'École des chartes|volume=138|issue=1|pages=131–132}},{{Cite book|last=Allioui|first=Youcef|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=k0FpLfAhVoYC|title=Les Archs, tribus berbères de Kabylie: histoire, résistance, culture et démocratie|date=2006|publisher=L'Harmattan|isbn=978-2-296-01363-6|language=fr}} The first source doesn't mention both and the second one, i just ordered it because we can't fully access it (points out kabyle tribes). Therefore i would like to know where we can talk about duplicate? [[User:Gavecuriut|Gavecuriut]] ([[User talk:Gavecuriut|talk]]) 21:20, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Gavecuriut|Gavecuriut]] You raise an interesting issue but one that will only be of interest to a few editors. I suggest you use the Talk Page of one of the articles for the discussion but place a link to it on the other's Talk Page as well. You might try to alert some members of [[WP:WikiProject Algeria]] but as that Project is not very active a better way forward might be to {{tl|ping}} a few of the editors who have been active on either article to your new comments. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 21:41, 25 January 2023 (UTC)


Can't help but feel the weatherbox on the [[Cherry Hill, New Jersey]] article is in a space that leaves a lot of blank space behind. Can it be moved easily? (I should clarify I'm unsure how to do this) [[User:Finitestory|Finitestory]] ([[User talk:Finitestory|talk]]) 00:34, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
== Is this proper usage of WP:ICW ==


:Yes, the weatherbox can be moved easily. Edit the article, find the weatherbox code, and relocate it to a section where it fits better, like "Climate" or below another relevant subsection, to reduce blank space. [[User:Ayohama|Ayohama]] ([[User talk:Ayohama|talk]]) 07:22, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
In [[Godless (novel)]] I have entirely removed a section due to plagiaristic content (further explanation in [[Talk:Godless (novel)|the article's talk page]]). I was wondering if this is proper implementation of [[WP:ICW]], as I generally am not one to edit boldly and feel a bit less comfortable with such things as a newcomer. [[User:Xxthedeathlordxx|Xxthedeathlordxx]] ([[User talk:Xxthedeathlordxx|talk]]) 20:01, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
::Thank you! [[User:Finitestory|Finitestory]] ([[User talk:Finitestory|talk]]) 13:08, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:If, as you say on the talk page, that the summary section was copied from another place, then yes, removing it is not only allowed, but mandated. --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 20:35, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
:::Anytime welcome! x) [[User:Ayohama|Ayohama]] ([[User talk:Ayohama|talk]]) 13:12, 4 January 2025 (UTC)


== New page reviewer questions ==
== Film categories: (Soccer) ==


So I'm currently applying for NPR rights, and I have a couple questions about what I can do with NPR rights: <br>
I wish all the film categories had the word '''(soccer)''' beside '''association football'''. [[Special:Contributions/86.133.195.90|86.133.195.90]] ([[User talk:86.133.195.90|talk]]) 20:53, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
{{bullet}} Am I allowed to review pages I created? <br>
{{bullet}} Do people with NPR rights only review articles or do they also review redirects? <br>
{{bullet}} Can reviews be undone (that is, can an article be unreviewed if need be)? [[User:RedactedHumanoid|RedactedHumanoid]] ([[User talk:RedactedHumanoid|talk]]) 02:11, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:Hello, {{u|RedactedHumanoid}}! In order, no, both, and yes. A little more detail:
:*You can’t review pages you created, but creators who create a lot of unproblematic articles are often assigned the [[WP:AUTOPATROLLED|autopatrolled]] right so that reviewers don’t have to check extra articles unnecessarily.
:*NPPers can and do review both articles and redirects. In fact, there’s currently a [[WP:JAN25|backlog elimination drive]] aimed at reviewing both.
:*Articles can be unreviewed.
:Hope this helps! Happy editing, [[User:Perfect4th|Perfect4th]] ([[User talk:Perfect4th|talk]]) 03:02, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::Alright, thank you. [[User:RedactedHumanoid|RedactedHumanoid]] ([[User talk:RedactedHumanoid|talk]]) 03:11, 4 January 2025 (UTC)


== Notability of Isa Isarb ==
:sorry, i don't understand your question. could you give an example? [[user:lettherebedarklight|lettherebedarklight]][[user talk:lettherebedarklight|晚安]] 06:03, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
:Wikipedia doesn't grant individual wishes. If you have a ''reasoned'' proposal, then argue your case on the relevant talk page and see if you can reach consensus with other editors. [[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]]|[[User talk:Shantavira|<sup>feed me</sup>]] 09:25, 26 January 2023 (UTC)


Besides Nigel Ng, Isa Isarb is one of the most famous non-brand Youtube Channel with over 2,7 million subscribers. Cited by many and also mainly using Malay language [[User:Protocetus1|Protocetus1]] ([[User talk:Protocetus1|talk]]) 04:04, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
== Finding Enough Credible Sources for Approval ==
:Teahouse is the wrong place to suggest an article should be created. There is a requests site but it is pretty much a "dead letter", meaning few if any article suggestions are acted upon. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 05:41, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
{{courtesy link|Draft:Ish Entertainment}}
::{{u|Protocetus1}}, being {{tpq|one of the most famous}} and having {{tpq|over 2,7 million subscribers}} is not in itself evidence of notability. What is required to establish notability are references to several published reliable sources that are entirely independent of Isarb and that devote significant coverage to Isarb. Nothing else matters. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 08:27, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Protocetus1|Protocetus1]]: {{welcometea}} While a YouTube channel with more than 2.7 million subscribers may be considered notable in a general sense, Wikipedia operates on a different operational definition of the word (which I call [[WP:N|wikinotability]] to differentiate the two). If you're able to find sources that satisfy [[Wikipedia:Golden rule|Wikipedia's golden rule]], this channel might be considered wikinotable enough to warrant its own article. —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;) 13:38, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Protocetus1|Protocetus1]] It appears that there was briefly an article about Isa Isarb that was Speedy deleted as not being article-worthy. If that was you, you may try again to create a draft via [[WP:YFA]] but please do not move it to main space or even submit the draft for review unless you can include valid references ([[WP:42]]). [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 16:06, 4 January 2025 (UTC)


== Page text length and "stub" status ==
Hi! I'm creating a page for a film and TV production company that has produced a lot of content as commissions for networks. Because of this, their programming is often labeled "HBO Original," "Hulu Original," etc. Whenever there's buzz about their shows, it's typically the network listed in the article, not the production company. The company is credible though - it's won an Emmy and been nominated for many more. My issue is the citations that I have don't seem to be enough for my article to be approved. Wondering if there's a way to solve this issue so that the article can be approved, or if I'm just SOL until I can find more citations?


Thank you! [[User:Oslofirstave|Oslofirstave]] ([[User talk:Oslofirstave|talk]]) 21:27, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
At present time, is a page developed to a length of, say, 400 words—''not'' counting many listed references—still considered a stub?[[User:Joel Russ|Joel Russ]] ([[User talk:Joel Russ|talk]]) 04:16, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:{{u|Oslofirstave}} Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The only way to solve this issue is to have appropriate sources that offer significant coverage of the company. There is a difference between ''the company'' being nominated for an Emmy and ''the work'' of the company being nominated(like a documentary film). It's possible that the work of the company could merit articles while the company itself does not. If there is not sufficient sources about the company itself, it wouldn't merit an article. That [[WP:AKON|can't be fixed by editing]]. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 21:50, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
::Totally understand, thank you! [[User:Oslofirstave|Oslofirstave]] ([[User talk:Oslofirstave|talk]]) 22:24, 25 January 2023 (UTC)


:Stub status depends on content depth and coverage, not just word count. A 400-word page could still be a stub if it lacks comprehensive information, see [[Wikipedia:Stub]] [[User:Ayohama|Ayohama]] ([[User talk:Ayohama|talk]]) 07:20, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
== I'm not sure where to take this ==


== Saving a template for re-use in high volume ==
but I just undid an edit by 167.98.2.34 and looking at their edit history i believe that they should be blocked. Check it out. [[User:Carptrash|Carptrash]] ([[User talk:Carptrash|talk]]) 21:31, 25 January 2023 (UTC)


I use the "r from alternative language" template all the time. I would like to know if there is a way to save a template or have like a quick-use list of 3 to 5 templates that I use frequently when creating valid redirects from varied different languages etc.?
:[[Wikipedia:Administrator_intervention_against_vandalism]] would be the right place, that page also gives some guidance on the procedure (that the user should be warned, etc.) I note from that user's talk page that they have had two warnings recently and not edited since. If the warnings have the desired effect there's no need to block them. ([[Wikipedia:Sanctions_against_editors_should_not_be_punitive]]) [[User talk:JeffUK|Jeff<span style="border-style:dashed;border-color:blue; border-width:1px">'''UK'''</span>]] 21:39, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
:The edit which you reverted was a correct edit, as you would see from the wikilink which the IP had added. I have reverted your change. [[User:David Biddulph|David Biddulph]] ([[User talk:David Biddulph|talk]]) 22:11, 25 January 2023 (UTC)


So for example. Lets say I see a town in Palestine or Israel that has an Arabic or Hebrew language word that could use a redirect that then requires the template "r from alternative language", I want to be able to just click that "r from alternative language" quickly without needing to type that full text in or even partial text in a search for the template again each and every time to use it. [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 04:21, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
== Blaze Wolf ==


:@[[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]]: One really good but rarely-mentioned tool that can help you with this is [[m:TemplateScript|TemplateScript]]. I'll be {{Working}} on an implementation of that tool specifically for this purpose. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]<sub>[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]<sub>[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]</sub></sub> ([[She (pronoun)|she]]/[[Singular they|they]]) 05:24, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Who is Blaze wolf [[User:Despacito305276|Despacito305276]] ([[User talk:Despacito305276|talk]]) 21:44, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
::Thank you. That would be great! [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 05:28, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:::I figured it out; add the following to [[Special:MyPage/common.js]]:
<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript">
//<nowiki>
$.ajax('//tools-static.wmflabs.org/meta/scripts/pathoschild.templatescript.js', { dataType:'script', cache:true }).then(function() {
pathoschild.TemplateScript.add([
{
category: 'Redirect templates',
name: 'R from alternative language (Hebrew to English)',
template: '{{R from alternative language|he|en}}',
position: 'after',
editSummary: 'Adding redirect template'
},
{
category: 'Redirect templates',
name: 'R from alternative language (Arabic to English)',
template: '{{R from alternative language|ar|en}}',
position: 'after',
editSummary: 'Adding redirect template'
}
]);
});
//</nowiki>
</syntaxhighlight>
Then, disable the "Syntax" button in the editing window (if it's enabled). Then, on the sidebar, you should see a new section called "Redirect templates" with the two templates I've seen you use in [[Special:NewPagesFeed]]. If you ever need to use more, you can add a similar [[JSON]] object to the existing ones, or check out [[WP:CAPRICORN|Capricorn]]. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]<sub>[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]<sub>[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]</sub></sub> ([[She (pronoun)|she]]/[[Singular they|they]]) 06:13, 4 January 2025 (UTC)


:I will try it out now. [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 15:58, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:Hi @[[User:Despacito305276|Despacito305276]], welcome to the Teahouse. {{u|Blaze Wolf}} is an editor here on Wikipedia. You can get in touch with them on their talk page if you have questions for them - it is at [[User talk:Blaze Wolf]]. [[Special:Contributions/199.208.172.35|199.208.172.35]] ([[User talk:199.208.172.35|talk]]) 21:47, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
::I added the script that you wrote, but I did not see any change when I tried to make a new redirect just now. I have not yet tried to "disable the "Syntax" button in the editing window (if it's enabled)" though. Where do I find that to disable it? [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 16:05, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:Blaze Wolf is me! My talk page is currently protected due to persistent vandalism and harassment from IPs, however if you have any questions feel free to ask them here. ― [[User:Blaze Wolf|<b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze&nbsp;Wolf</b>]][[User talk:Blaze Wolf|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze&nbsp;Wolf#6545</sub> 00:12, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]]: It's in the editing toolbar, next to the bold, italic, reference, etc. buttons. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]<sub>[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]<sub>[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]</sub></sub> ([[She (pronoun)|she]]/[[Singular they|they]]) 16:15, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Syntax highlighter? I only ever edit in visual editor. I had to check the source editor to see if I could figure out what you mean. I only saw the syntax highlighter and then only when in source editor mode. Also, I tried this just now and I have not gotten the script to work yet. [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 16:51, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]]: If you use VisualEditor exclusively, then TemplateScript is not likely to be well-suited for your goals. Instead, you could try [[User:Wugapodes/Capricorn]], which allows you to add any and all redirect category templates. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]<sub>[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]<sub>[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]</sub></sub> ([[She (pronoun)|she]]/[[Singular they|they]]) 16:53, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::I installed that, now what? [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 17:00, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]]: Just go to any redirect page. You should see a green dialog box. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]<sub>[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]<sub>[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]</sub></sub> ([[She (pronoun)|she]]/[[Singular they|they]]) 17:04, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::I see. This looks messier and not configurable like what I was looking for. I suppose I will need to just continue creating them manually as I have been for months. [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 18:04, 4 January 2025 (UTC)


== So well my page was Declined. ==
== Hang on... ==
{{courtesy link|Draft:Utekontakten Bergen}}


How come every time I expand an article, the view count suddenly spikes? [[User:TrademarkedTWOrantula|<span style="color: darkgreen"><span style="font-family: Georgia">TWOrantula</span></span>]]<sup><small>TM</small></sup> <small>([[User talk:TrademarkedTWOrantula|enter the web]])</small> 05:00, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
So Idk why any ideas how You can see why it was Declined? [[User:The Norwegian Empire|The Norwegian Empire]] ([[User talk:The Norwegian Empire|talk]]) 22:23, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
:{{Ping|The Norwegian Empire}} {{welcometea}} This is the English Wikipedia, and articles here are written in English. You may be looking for the [[:no:Portal/Forside|Norwegian Wikipedia]]. —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;) 22:26, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
:The post on your talk page [[User_talk:The_Norwegian_Empire]] explains the reason it was declined. [[User talk:JeffUK|Jeff<span style="border-style:dashed;border-color:blue; border-width:1px">'''UK'''</span>]] 22:26, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
::Also note that the article does not appear to be written in an encyclopedic tone, it reads a lot more like a promotional piece than an encylopedia article (see [[Wikipedia:Writing_better_articles#Tone]]). [[User talk:JeffUK|Jeff<span style="border-style:dashed;border-color:blue; border-width:1px">'''UK'''</span>]] 22:32, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
:::Hello, {{u|The Norwegian Empire}}. All encyclopedia articles on the English language Wikipedia need to be written in the English language, so that is reason enough to decline your Norwegian language draft. But drafts can be translated. I do not read more than a few words of Norwegian. but I used translation software to take a closer look, and your draft appears to be a promotional brochure instead of an actual [[WP:NPOV|neutrally written]] encyclopedia article. So, your draft has (at least) two major problems, and maybe more. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 07:36, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
:The Norwegian-language Wikipedia are [https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Forside here] and [https://nn.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hovudside here]. &nbsp; [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] ([[User talk:Maproom|talk]]) 08:16, 26 January 2023 (UTC)


:Hey @[[User:TrademarkedTWOrantula|TrademarkedTWOrantula]] Expanding an article can trigger increased views due to it appearing in more searches, being featured on watchlists, or drawing attention from other editors and readers curious about the changes I guess. [[User:Ayohama|Ayohama]] ([[User talk:Ayohama|talk]]) 07:18, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
== Login issues ==
::{{ping|TrademarkedTWOrantula}} If "spikes" just means a significant percentage increase from a very low starting point then it could be your own views while editing the article. For example, you edited [[Pictoword]] three times yesterday and it went from around six daily views to 16 that day.[https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&range=latest-30&pages=Pictoword] [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 08:56, 4 January 2025 (UTC)


== Can someone help fix [[:Territorial control during the Russo-Ukrainian War]] ==
I asked the below question on my talk page:


Hello everyone, Can someone help fix [[:Territorial control during the Russo-Ukrainian War]]. I am on mobile. All the oblast sections are collapsed by default. In mobile every section has collapse option which helps us navigate through the desired sections easily. Similar thing once happened with an article related to some sporting event. It was fixed when the symbols and flags were removed from it. I believe that it the same issue with this article. Too many flags are there. Many of which I believe don't need to be there neccesarily. Can someone help fix it to make it easy for mobile users to navigate. Right now if someone for example needs to see Zaporizhzhia oblast they have to scroll all the way down. Thank you. '''[[User:Shaan Sengupta|<span style="text-shadow:grey 1px 1px 1px;"><span style="color:#FF7518;">Shaan Sengupta</span></span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Shaan Sengupta|<span style="text-shadow:grey 1px 1px 1px;"><i style="color:#FF7518">Talk</i></span>]]</sup>''' 12:20, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Please help me with...


:Write an Extended Confirmed Protection edit request on the talk page or get to 500 edits manually [[User:SimpleSubCubicGraph|SimpleSubCubicGraph]] ([[User talk:SimpleSubCubicGraph|talk]]) 02:48, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
Hello. I apparently no longer have a username, although I do have a username. This is my page. My name is in red now elsewhere and Wikipedia says I do not exist. I do exist. I'm right here. I am also unable to login, although I appear to be logged in. Crikey.
::@[[User:SimpleSubCubicGraph|SimpleSubCubicGraph]] FYI, I'm already an EC user. I have over 6775 edits. So I don't need to place an edit request. This is something technical. I appreciate your readiness to help but please understand the problem before giving suggestions. Thank you. '''[[User:Shaan Sengupta|<span style="text-shadow:grey 1px 1px 1px;"><span style="color:#FF7518;">Shaan Sengupta</span></span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Shaan Sengupta|<span style="text-shadow:grey 1px 1px 1px;"><i style="color:#FF7518">Talk</i></span>]]</sup>''' 02:58, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Shaan Sengupta|Shaan Sengupta]] Get to $1200 manually [[User:SimpleSubCubicGraph|SimpleSubCubicGraph]] ([[User talk:SimpleSubCubicGraph|talk]]) 03:05, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::::@[[User:SimpleSubCubicGraph|SimpleSubCubicGraph]] What exactly is $1200? '''[[User:Shaan Sengupta|<span style="text-shadow:grey 1px 1px 1px;"><span style="color:#FF7518;">Shaan Sengupta</span></span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Shaan Sengupta|<span style="text-shadow:grey 1px 1px 1px;"><i style="color:#FF7518">Talk</i></span>]]</sup>''' 03:26, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::::@[[User:SimpleSubCubicGraph|SimpleSubCubicGraph]]: Please do not respond to Teahouse questions if you don't know the answer to them or if you're giving unproductive responses. —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;) 03:38, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Shaan Sengupta|Shaan Sengupta]]: {{welcometea}} If the issue is technical, the folks over at [[WP:VPT]] may be better equipped to address it. —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;) 03:43, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Tenryuu|Tenryuu]] I believe either this is something techincal or too much flags are creating a problem. Thank you so much. '''[[User:Shaan Sengupta|<span style="text-shadow:grey 1px 1px 1px;"><span style="color:#FF7518;">Shaan Sengupta</span></span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Shaan Sengupta|<span style="text-shadow:grey 1px 1px 1px;"><i style="color:#FF7518">Talk</i></span>]]</sup>''' 03:47, 5 January 2025 (UTC)


== IP trying to reset my password ==
I'm not a major editor, and there is a lot about Wikipedia which I do not understand. That's why I don't attempt things I don't know about. But I do provide useful work, correcting articles, providing sources and adding hotlinks. I also correct grammar. I am unaware of doing anything wrong that would cause my name to be deactivated.


I've had an IP try to access/reset my password a few times over the past couple of weeks. I'm not too fussed since the email says I don't need to do anything if I didn't request it, but I still wanted to double-check here just in case.
This is what I see now:


It's a Ipv6 with no contributions/blocks, so I'm figuring they've seen me about on a noticeboard, are hitting random users or I've undone vandalism on another IP they've used & they're upset with me.
''The page "MGHuc" does not exist. You can create a draft and submit it for review, or you may create the page "MGHuc" directly, but consider checking the search results below to see whether the topic is already covered.''


My password is really strong and there are no signs that they've been able to touch this account whatsoever, so I'm thinking that it's ok to just leave them to their own devices? [[User:Blue-Sonnet|Blue Sonnet]] ([[User talk:Blue-Sonnet|talk]]) 12:59, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
''User:MGHuc/sandbox This is the user sandbox of MGHuc. A user sandbox is a subpage of the user's user page. It serves as a testing spot and page development space for the... 55 bytes (1 word) - 09:01, 3 January 2020 User:Sam Engleang -´mkenHcg;ykluyxøHmk [TukeRbIeBlRblg ebImin[RKUxøHBitCaBi)akehIy ¬nageqøIyRBmTaMghuc R)ak;mkCamYy¦. dMbUg´bdiesFnignagEtnagenAEtbgçMehIyKMramfaebITuk´Camitþ... 14 KB (1,515 words) - 06:59, 6 December 2008 MGHuc (talk) 04:36, 25 January 2023 (UTC) MGHuc (talk) 04:38, 25 January 2023 (UTC)''


:Hey @[[User:Blue-Sonnet|Blue-Sonnet]], If your password is strong and there are no signs of unauthorized access, there's no need to worry. Wikipedia's email system ensures that password reset requests can't proceed without access to your email. [[User:Ayohama|Ayohama]] ([[User talk:Ayohama|talk]]) 13:10, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
I received an unsatisfactory answer and replied:
:Yeah, there's not much that can be done here. It is good to tell this is happening, though, in the unlikely event someone succeeds. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 13:13, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:Yup it's usually safe to ignore if you're sure about your password. We see it a fair amount. It's very often someone you'll have interacted with, maybe they're upset about something, or maybe they're just a troll. On occasions they might actually think it's their username (common with shorter usernames). You can always ask a checkuser to take a look. Maybe they will take a look and maybe they won't, and they almost certainly won't tell you what accounts are on the IP, but they can usually see what's been going on, get a measure of the problem, and sometimes do things (though don't expect too much). My email is open. -- [[user:zzuuzz|zzuuzz]] <sup>[[user_talk:zzuuzz|(talk)]]</sup> 13:19, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:331dot|331dot]] @[[User:Ayohama|Ayohama]] @[[User:Zzuuzz|Zzuuzz]] Thanks for the reassurance, I've got a good seventy tabs open for random articles on my phone so I'll probably notice pretty quickly 😉
::I'll maybe raise it again if they keep going or anything else happens, but it's pretty sporadic ATM so they're probably just chancers... [[User:Blue-Sonnet|Blue Sonnet]] ([[User talk:Blue-Sonnet|talk]]) 13:23, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Anytime x) [[User:Ayohama|Ayohama]] ([[User talk:Ayohama|talk]]) 13:24, 4 January 2025 (UTC)


== What should I do if I accidentally edit whilst logged out or on a doppelganger account? ==
I have never had this issue before where I was unable to login. I just attempted to login like I always do so any edits I make could be tracked back to me should there be any issues with the work I did. I hold myself accountable.


I would like to know what I should do in this situation, as whilst that has not happened, you can never be too prepared, right? I read Wikipedia when logged out quite often, so I would like to know what I should do in this situation. [[User:The2gingerman|The2gingerman]] ([[User talk:The2gingerman|talk]]) 13:38, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
I have no recollection of what the "User:Sam Engleang page" is or any memory of it whatsoever.


:Hello, @[[User:The2gingerman|The2gingerman]]. Editing in more than one account is permitted, unless you're doing it for unsavoury purposes (eg !voting multiple times in a discussion) - see [[WP:SOCKLEGIT]] - I know it says that doppelganger accounts should not be used for editing, but nobody is going to worry unless you do it often.
I was not logged in when I "made this entry", unless when logging in, Wikipedia, for the first time ever, tells you that you don't exist. I didn't suddenly become an idiot and forget how to login or become confused by the process.
:Same for editing when not logged in: if you're worried about exposing your IP address, see [[WP:OSPOL]]. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 14:17, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:Hey @[[User:The2gingerman|The2gingerman]] If you accidentally edit while logged out, you can log back into your account and leave an edit summary or note on the article's talk page explaining that the edit was yours. This helps maintain transparency. If it happens on a doppelganger account, avoid using it further and ensure you clarify ownership on your primary account's user page (e.g., "This account is a doppelganger of User:YourName"). For more guidance, see [[Wikipedia:Signatures]] and [[Wikipedia:Sock puppetry]]. [[User:Ayohama|Ayohama]] ([[User talk:Ayohama|talk]]) 14:45, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:The2gingerman|The2gingerman]]: And if you don't want it to be disclosed, you can [[WP:RFO|request oversight]]. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]<sub>[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]<sub>[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]</sub></sub> ([[She (pronoun)|she]]/[[Singular they|they]]) 16:54, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you! [[User:The2gingerman|The2gingerman]] ([[User talk:The2gingerman|talk]]) 18:36, 4 January 2025 (UTC)


== Question about citation languages ==
Thank you for taking the time to address my concerns. However, I found your answer to be unhelpful and condescending in more than one area. Perhaps we can get someone in here who will be more helpful to someone who believes in Wikipedia and who is only trying to help contribute to the cause.


I Want to edit some pages between Turkish and English, but I haven't found any rules regarding language of citations. Can I use english citations on turkish pages and turkish citations on english pages? [[User:MrSirPotato|MrSirPotato]] ([[User talk:MrSirPotato|talk]]) 13:49, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Thanks for your effort.


:@[[User:MrSirPotato|MrSirPotato]] I dunno about using English on Turkish Wikipedia articles but, although English is always preferable, using foreign language sources on English Wikipedia articles is perfectly fine. [[User:CommissarDoggo|<b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#fc1008">Commissar</b><b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Doggo</b>]]''[[User talk:CommissarDoggo|<sup style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Talk?</sup>]]'' 13:58, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
MGHuc
::As long as they are [[WP:RS]]. More at [[WP:NOENG]]. There are fields/parameters to add translated titles, that is helpful to readers. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 14:05, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:Yeah, you can use English citations on Turkish WP pages and Turkish citations on English WP pages, as long as they are reliable sources. However, it is helpful to provide translations for key points if the source's language differs from the article's language- See [[Wikipedia:Citing sources]] [[User:Ayohama|Ayohama]] ([[User talk:Ayohama|talk]]) 14:43, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:Hello, @[[User:MrSirPotato|MrSirPotato]]. Note that if you copy and translate material from a Turkish article to an English article, or the other way round, you must attribute the copied material. See [[WP:translation]]. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 17:58, 4 January 2025 (UTC)


== Collaboration request to work on cleanup ==
After posting my reply I realized that my initial question was no longer open for replies so I assume the person who did reply will not see my follow-up. I was unable to delete my comment and just start anew here.


Hi everyone! The article on [[Dadvan Yousuf]] has been flagged for potential improvement to align with Wikipedia's guidelines. Recently, there have been developments in his life, including his interactions with Swiss television, which might make this a great opportunity for a thoughtful cleanup. If you have expertise in cryptocurrency, finance, or related fields, your contributions could help. [[User:Cero9e|Cero9e]] ([[User talk:Cero9e|talk]]) 15:10, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
I know little about the processes around here but I stick to what I do know and I'm just trying to help out.


:I'm curious, what drew you to the article? You appear to have created your account for the express purpose of creating this message. Be aware that editing about crypto has special rules that are enforced more strictly. I'll notify you of those.
Thanks,
:This forum isn't really to solicit co-editors. Maybe the more [[WP:HD|general Help Desk]]. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 15:21, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::Bro's from my city, Bern. Saw some Bitcoin flag Everest tweets on X, checked his Wikipedia, and noticed some stuff [[User:Cero9e|Cero9e]] ([[User talk:Cero9e|talk]]) 15:31, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::Btw. created my account like 6 months ago, just did the first edit now [[User:Cero9e|Cero9e]] ([[User talk:Cero9e|talk]]) 15:33, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Sorry, I see you created it on a different wiki and not here. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 15:45, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:Heyho @[[User:Cero9e|Cero9e]] Usually I would suggest [[Wikipedia:Help desk|general Help Desk]] as @[[User:331dot|331dot]]did but it seems the desk is semi-protected atm, which means:
:-Your account must be at least 4 days old
:-You must have made at least 10 edits to Wikipedia
:I just created the article for [[Niklas Nikolajsen|niklas nikolajsen]] couple days ago and there seem to be some parallels with the article subject [[Dadvan Yousuf]]. Also noticed some tweets recently btw.
:Can have a look. [[User:Ayohama|Ayohama]] ([[User talk:Ayohama|talk]]) 15:43, 4 January 2025 (UTC)


== [[Draft:Lewis Nitikman]] ==
MGHuc [[User:MGHuc|MGHuc]] ([[User talk:MGHuc|talk]]) 22:31, 25 January 2023 (UTC)


Hello, this author does nothing with this article. Need [[WP:Speedy deletion of drafts]] [[User:СтасС|СтасС]] ([[User talk:СтасС|talk]]) 15:30, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:Hi [[User:MGHuc]]! You do have a user and a username, what you don't have is a user page, you can create one by clicking 'Create' on this page: [[User:MGHuc]] . you can learn more about user pages here: [[Wikipedia:User_pages]], note that you do not need a user page at all, it's entirely optional and you are very welcome to continue editing without creating one. [[User talk:JeffUK|Jeff<span style="border-style:dashed;border-color:blue; border-width:1px">'''UK'''</span>]] 22:34, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
:@[[User:MGHuc|MGHuc]]: {{welcometea}} It seems you're confused about the existence of a user page (which not every user has). Your name is in red because a user page was never created for it (and by no means is it mandatory to make one). You are currently logged in and you definitely posted this question from your account. If you want your name in blue, just click on it and type something into the page that opens up and click {{button|Publish page}}. —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;) 22:35, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
::Thank you very much. I got the gist of this from the other user that replied, but what I don't understand is why I was apparently unable to login and was told that my username did not exist. I want to stress, I have never had that issue before. With the recent changes to Wikipedia's format I wondered if there was some bugging going on.
::But thanks to you and to JeffUK. I edited my question in here and said that after clearing my history the matter seems to have been resolved. Thanks so much. [[User:MGHuc|MGHuc]] ([[User talk:MGHuc|talk]]) 22:43, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
::Thank you very much. I got the gist of this from the other user that replied, but what I don't understand is why I was apparently unable to login and was told that my username did not exist. I want to stress, I have never had that issue before. With the recent changes to Wikipedia's format I wondered if there was some bugging going on.
::But thanks to you and to Tenryuu. I edited my question in here and said that after clearing my history the matter seems to have been resolved. Thanks so much. [[User:MGHuc|MGHuc]] ([[User talk:MGHuc|talk]]) 22:44, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
:::@[[User:MGHuc|MGHuc]] Login user-names are case sensitive, so it is possible that you tried to log in with MGHUC or Mghuc or some other incorrect combination, which wouldn't have worked. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 22:47, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
::::My username and password autofills. But again, thanks. [[User:MGHuc|MGHuc]] ([[User talk:MGHuc|talk]]) 22:51, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
:::::Hello, {{u|MGHuc}}. Your username and account have existed for almost five years. Your userpage does not exist because you have never tried to create it. Your account has never been blocked and is in good standing. So, it is difficult to figure out what your actual problem is. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 06:10, 26 January 2023 (UTC)


:Hey @[[User:СтасС|СтасС]] As far as i know, drafts are not eligible for speedy deletion simply because the author is inactive. If the draft doesn't meet Wikipedia's content policies (e.g., it's promotional or unsourced), you can nominate it for deletion through the Articles for Deletion (AfD) process or propose it for G13 speedy deletion if it's been abandoned for over six months and not submitted for review. More details can be found at [[WP:G13]]. Hope this helps! 😊 [[User:Ayohama|Ayohama]] ([[User talk:Ayohama|talk]]) 15:36, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
== The article [[Laura Bergt]] links to Google Drive in the references ==
::The creating editor [[User:Kellie Whitehead]] has not been active since mid-August 2024, leaving this and another draft abandoned. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 16:11, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:::If the draft is abandoned for over six months, tag it with {db-g13} for speedy deletion. Otherwise, consider AfD if its content is debatable imo [[User:Ayohama|Ayohama]] ([[User talk:Ayohama|talk]]) 16:15, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Ayohama|Ayohama]], [[WP:AFD]] is for articles only, not drafts. You would need to use [[WP:MFD|MFD]]. However, as you say, it will get deleted next month anyway. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 16:39, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::You are right, thanks [[User:Ayohama|Ayohama]] ([[User talk:Ayohama|talk]]) 16:41, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::: and thank you again, ColinFine. I see. (understand).--[[User:СтасС|СтасС]] ([[User talk:СтасС|talk]]) 17:01, 4 January 2025 (UTC)


== Joseph A. Tunzi ==
*The article [[Laura Bergt]] links to Google Drive in the references, I'm not sure there's a policy against it but it definitely seems a bit off... I'm not clicking on those references. Is there a policy against this? Isn't that also a copyright violation? [[User:Therapyisgood|Therapyisgood]] ([[User talk:Therapyisgood|talk]]) 23:42, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
*:Hello, Therapyisgood, and welcome to the Teahouse. It's certainly not usual to link to a google drive (It would have been helpful if you had indicated which reference: the one I've found is Blewitt in Anchorage Times). When I try to follow the link it tells me I need to request access - this is not the same as being behind a paywall. Without seeing it, we can't tell, but I agree that it is likely to be an unauthorised upload, and hence a copyright violation.
*:I would recommend removing the links that are to such places (a citation does not require a URL unless the source is only available on the web, and not necessarily even then). It would be worth searching for the source online, eg through [[WP:The Wikipedia Library]], and substituting it if it is found, but otherwise just leave the URL parameter empty. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 23:57, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
*:Hi {{u|Therapyisgood}}. I'm just going to add to what ColinFine posted above by saying that leaving the {{para|url}} parameter empty for a citation formatted using the {{tl|cite web}} template (as well as some others) will cause [[:Help:CS1 errors#cite_web_url|an error]]. So, if you're going to start removing urls from citations, you probably should make sure you're not creating some extra cleanup work for others by doing so. It might be a good idea to discuss your concerns at [[:Talk:Laura Berg]] to see if others can help resolve the issue. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 07:54, 26 January 2023 (UTC)


How do I remove the promotional disclaimer at the top of the Wikipedia page for [[Joseph_A._Tunzi]] [[User:Daryl77|Daryl77]] ([[User talk:Daryl77|talk]]) 20:07, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
== How to close a RFD discussion ==
:Hello @[[User:Daryl77|Daryl77]]. In the visual editor, you can simply click on the tag and press backspace to remove it (assuming you're on PC).{{pb}}But I'm wondering, why don't you try to discuss or fix the problem rather than just hiding it away? I don't see any of your edits in the page history or any discussion on the article's talk page of you fixing the actual problem. If there is still promotional content after you remove it, someone will inevitably add the tag again. [[User:Tarlby|<span style="color:cyan;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">''Tarl''</span><span style="color:orange;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">''by''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Tarlby|''t'']]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tarlby|''c'']])</sup> 20:38, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::Hello, {{u|Daryl77}}. The promotional tone that pervades and saturates that article would need to be removed, which would be a massive job. Because you created that article, have made 413 edits to that article and are personally responsible for nearly 80% of the content, it should certainly not be you that removes that tag. Your main goal as a Wikipedia editor for 13 years has been that one article. What, precisely, is your personal connection to Tunzi? [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 20:40, 4 January 2025 (UTC)


== How long does a draft typically take to get reviewed? ==
I nominated two redirects for deletion but later changed my mind and I want to withdraw these nominations. [[User:IntegerSequences|<span style="font-family:courier;color:red">Integer</span><span style="font-family:copperplate;color:springgreen">Sequences</span>]] ([[User_talk:IntegerSequences|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/IntegerSequences|contribs]]) 04:38, 26 January 2023 (UTC)


:You can strike out you nomination statement, and add a small note about the withdrawal. [[User:Carpimaps|Carpimaps]] ([[User talk:Carpimaps|talk]]) 05:24, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
I plan to be submitting a lot of drafts between now and extended-confirned privileges, and potentially after, how long does the process usually take? A week? 2 weeks? Maybe even a month? [[User:The2gingerman|The2gingerman]] ([[User talk:The2gingerman|talk]]) 20:09, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:Hello, {{u|The2gingerman}}. As the header of a current draft says: {{tpq|This may take 2 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 1,744 pending submissions waiting for review.}} High quality, well-referenced drafts about clearly notable topics are usually accepted fairly quickly. Obviously low quality, poorly referenced or unreferenced drafts about topics that are clearly not notable usually get rejected pretty quickly. Borderline notability cases may take longer. Drafts about highly technical or esoteric topics may take longer. Drafts that heavily rely on sources in languages other than English may take longer. Drafts filled with a large number of references to low quality sources interspersed with a handful of higher quality sources may take longer. Drafts that fail to make a compelling case that the topic is notable in the lead section may take longer. And so on. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 20:23, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:IntegerSequences|IntegerSequences]] [[User:Carpimaps|Carpimaps]] ([[User talk:Carpimaps|talk]]) 05:24, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
:Hi, @[[User:The2gingerman|The2gingerman]], and welcome to the Teahouse. As far as I can see, you have not yet made a single edit to an article, other than to the draft you created - which was declined because, like most new editors, you don't yet have much understanding of Wikipedia's requirements. Would you enter a tennis tournament when you haven't yet ever picked up a tennis racket?
:::Thanks. [[User:IntegerSequences|<span style="font-family:courier;color:red">Integer</span><span style="font-family:copperplate;color:springgreen">Sequences</span>]] ([[User_talk:IntegerSequences|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/IntegerSequences|contribs]]) 06:45, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
:{{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}}
:In particular, I would urge you to drop utterly the idea of "submitting a lot of drafts",at least until you have had two or three drafts accepted, and so understand what is required. In my opinion, an editor who has made a hundred improvements to existing articles (even if some of them have got reverted) has already added '''far''' more value to Wikipedia than almost all editors who try to create new articles before they are ready - in fact, most of those in my view subtract value from Wikipedia, because they take up the time and attention of reviewers who would much rather be reviewing good drafts. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 22:03, 4 January 2025 (UTC)


== adding secondary sources ==
== Google searches putting the little wikipedia thing on the right of the search ==


In exploring the requirements for notable persons and the nature of secondary sources, I am wondering if this qualifies as an example of what is required, or not (sentence structure asides - still working on that!)
What is it called when google searches (cache?) the little snippet of a wiki article on the right hand side or a search results? And when did they start doing that? Or all search engines really? <span style="color: blue">—</span> [[User:Moops|<span style="color: green ">Moops</span>]] <sup><span style="font-size:80%">⋠[[User talk:Moops|<span style="color: indigo">'''T'''</span>]]⋡</span></sup> 05:40, 26 January 2023 (UTC)


[[Draft:Randolph Charles Kent]]
:@[[User:Moops|Moops]] The little box is called (by Google) a [https://blog.google/products/search/about-knowledge-graph-and-knowledge-panels/ knowledge panel], powered by the [[Google Knowledge Graph]]. According to our article it was rolled out in May 2012. [[User:Shells-shells|Shells-shells]] ([[User talk:Shells-shells|talk]]) 05:47, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
::I just went to the link you shared. That is really cool. I would have never found that on my own, 'Google Knowledge Graph', neat. TY <span style="color: blue">—</span> [[User:Moops|<span style="color: green ">Moops</span>]] <sup><span style="font-size:80%">⋠[[User talk:Moops|<span style="color: indigo">'''T'''</span>]]⋡</span></sup> 05:59, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Moops}} Note that the only part Google took from Wikipedia is usually a text paragraph which ends with a link on "Wikipedia". We get many complaints about errors in other parts and made {{tl|HD/GKG}} to respond. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 06:46, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
::::I am not familiar with HD/GDK. Tell me more. This is all very interesting to me. :) TY <span style="color: blue">—</span> [[User:Moops|<span style="color: green ">Moops</span>]] <sup><span style="font-size:80%">⋠[[User talk:Moops|<span style="color: indigo">'''T'''</span>]]⋡</span></sup> 06:48, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|Moops}} {{tl|HD/GKG}} (Help desk/Google Knowledge Graph) is one of the stock answers at {{tl|HD}}. It was made for [[Wikipedia:Help desk]] in 2013 but can also be used elsewhere. A typical complaint says we show the wrong person on an article, usually without saying they saw the image at Google and not Wikipedia. That's why is says "Are you by any chance referring to ...". The article often has never had any image. I give the reply after Googling the name to see what Google shows. Ukexpat made the template but it was based on my help desk posts. It's substituted so it doesn't show on WhatLinksHere. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?fulltext=Search+the+archives&fulltext=Search&prefix=Wikipedia%3AHelp&search=%22Are+you+by+any+chance+referring+to+a+photo+or+text+shown+to+the+right%22&ns0=1 This search] finds 99 help desk archives. I thought it would be more by now. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?fulltext=Go+find+it%21&fulltext=Search&prefix=Wikipedia%3ATeahouse%2FQuestions%2FArchive&search=%22Are+you+by+any+chance+referring+to+a+photo+or+text+shown+to+the+right%22&ns0=1 Here] are 26 Teahouse archives. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 07:11, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
::::::That is some nice Wikipedia history right there! TY <span style="color: blue">—</span> [[User:Moops|<span style="color: green ">Moops</span>]] <sup><span style="font-size:80%">⋠[[User talk:Moops|<span style="color: indigo">'''T'''</span>]]⋡</span></sup> 07:13, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
:::::::{{u|Moops}}, there is an amusing but very informative essay called [[Wikipedia:Don't build the Frankenstein]]. Such errors can be made by human editors or by sophisticated computer algorithms or chat bots. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 07:21, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
::::::::I enjoy amusing but very informative essays. TY! I will give it a read. :) <span style="color: blue">—</span> [[User:Moops|<span style="color: green ">Moops</span>]] <sup><span style="font-size:80%">⋠[[User talk:Moops|<span style="color: indigo">'''T'''</span>]]⋡</span></sup> 07:22, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
:::::::{{ping|Moops}} {{tl|HD/GKG}} was created at [[Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2013 May 6#Wrong photograph]]. The typical complaint said "the photograph that appears on the page is NOT ME" about a page with no image. Other search engines copied Google's "infobox" idea (right down to the confusing Wikipedia link with no mention of other sources) so we also made {{tl|HD/YKG}} and {{tl|HD/Bing}} in 2015 but Google is more popular. Long ago we got similar complaints about automatically generated Facebook community pages with links to Wikipedia. {{tl|HD/facebook}} was created in 2011, the oldest of the lot. A typical complaint was that some Facebook algorithm had given a wrong geographical location. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 13:32, 26 January 2023 (UTC)


<blockquote>In an interview exploring the challenges of futures thinking within the context of humanitarian scenarios, the researcher and futurist Steven Santer identifies in part that the initiative for futures thinking with respect to humanitarianism was born out of Dr. Kent's experiences as a UN [[Humanitarian Coordinator]] since 1987.</blockquote>
== Remove annoying parts ==


When I try to edit a semi-protected page it keeps saying note: this page is ...if you need help getting started with editing... and it is annoying, how to remove this? [[User:Jishiboka1|Jishiboka1]] ([[User talk:Jishiboka1|talk]]) 09:53, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
Thank you [[User:Nik9t|Nik9t]] ([[User talk:Nik9t|talk]]) 21:01, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:Hi {{u|Jishiboka1}}. Which page are you referring to? Sometimes a [[:WP:PP|page has been protected]] and restrictions are placed upon who can edit it. Pages can only be protected by an administrator and there's almost always a very good reason for doing so. If you can provide the name of the page, someone can probably better answer your question. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 10:47, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
::No i have autoconfirmed rights, and editing a page that is semi protected there is this red note, i can edit but it is annoying, i've seen it enough that i now know. [[User:Jishiboka1|Jishiboka1]] ([[User talk:Jishiboka1|talk]]) 11:07, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
:Welcome to the Teahouse, [[User:Jishiboka1|Jishiboka1]]. Would you be kind enough to link to the page you were having problems with, please? We can probably help you better if we can check it. It's probable that the article was one of the tiny proportion which have needed to be given 'Extended protection', requiring editors to have made more than 500 edits (see [[WP:ECPGUIDE]]).
:I see you've only made [https://xtools.wmflabs.org/ec/en.wikipedia.org/Jishiboka1 413 so far]. So you would need to make an [[WP:EDITREQUEST]] on the talk page at this point in time, I'm afraid. [[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] ([[User talk:Nick Moyes|talk]]) 10:48, 26 January 2023 (UTC)


:Hello! Interviews featuring the person generally are not evidence of notability. They're primary sources, and they're something that the person helps arrange themselves, so it's not an independent third party taking note of them. You'll want to find articles about the person written by independent sources like newspapers. Otherwise, Randolph Charles Kent might not be a notable figure as Wikipedia defines it. [[User:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:#324717">The</span><span style="color:#45631f">big</span><span style="color:#547826">ugly</span><span style="color:#68942f">alien</span>]] ([[User talk:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:sienna">talk</span>]]) 21:10, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
== Okanagan Game Farm ==
::Ok, got it - thank you! [[User:Nik9t|Nik9t]] ([[User talk:Nik9t|talk]]) 21:30, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::Hang on, @[[User:Thebiguglyalien|Thebiguglyalien]]: @[[User:Nik9t|Nik9t]] described that as an interview with somebody else, which was not what your answer was about. NIk9t, ''if'' Santer is wholly unconnected with Kent (not a colleague or associate), then that may well count as secondary. There is also the question of whether the interview was published by a [[WP:reliable source|reliable source]]: if it was published by Kent or his associates, it again would not be independent, and if it was published by Santer or his associates, it would be a [[WP:self published source|self published source]]. [[WP:42]] has a useful set of criteria for evaluating sources. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 22:08, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:::I understood it to be referring to this source: https://futurehumanbydesign.com/2019/09/interview-with-dr-randolph-kent/. [[User:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:#324717">The</span><span style="color:#45631f">big</span><span style="color:#547826">ugly</span><span style="color:#68942f">alien</span>]] ([[User talk:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:sienna">talk</span>]]) 22:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Oh I see. I assumed from @[[User:Nik9t|Nik9t]]'s description above that Santer was being interviewed, rather than that he was interviewing Kent. Thank you for the correction, @[[User:Thebiguglyalien|Thebiguglyalien]]. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 23:20, 4 January 2025 (UTC)


== Why are there specific limitations to VisualEditor ==
Hello, I have some questions about conflict of interest, citing print newspapers as a source, and the use of personal photographs in articles.


I read through the page for [[VisualEditor|Visual Editor]] and I saw they had limitations. While they explained what pages are not permitted to use Visual Editing, why are these restrictions in phase? Is there something wrong with visual editor on talk pages? Or editing essays and WP:Policies [[User:SimpleSubCubicGraph|SimpleSubCubicGraph]] ([[User talk:SimpleSubCubicGraph|talk]]) 04:18, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
# I know someone who was a shareholder for the [[Okanagan Game Farm]] during the time it was operating. I have heard many stories from them about the game farm, including ones that relate to published news stories. Given this page is a stub and has not had new content added since 2012, and I may be able to access news articles and photographs relating to the game farm that likely would not otherwise be accessible, would it be appropriate for me to edit this page?
# If I was citing an article from a print newspaper on Wikipedia, what would be the best way to make the article available for readers to verify the source?
# [[Wikipedia:Image use policy|WP:IUP]] says "Images with you, friends or family prominently featured in a way that distracts from the image topic are not recommended for the main namespace. These images are considered self-promotion and the Wikipedia community has repeatedly reached consensus to delete such images." The photos of the game farm I would have access to prominently feature the shareholder and their family. If the images are labelled in ways that emphasise aspects of the farm rather than the individuals (eg. "a child at the game farm with a tiger cub; animals at the farm were . . ."), would it be appropriate for me to add them to the page?


:Hey @[[User:SimpleSubCubicGraph|SimpleSubCubicGraph]]
Thank you very much for your consideration. [[User:Oystersauce99|Oystersauce99]] ([[User talk:Oystersauce99|talk]]) 11:46, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
:The limitations of VisualEditor exist because it struggles with complex wikitext elements like templates, signatures, and custom formatting used on talk pages, essays, and policies. These pages require precise editing to maintain structure and functionality, which [[VisualEditor]] isn't optimized for. [[User:Ayohama|Ayohama]] ([[User talk:Ayohama|talk]]) 06:20, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
:The VE is a later invention, (source editor is the older), and is still developing. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 09:08, 5 January 2025 (UTC)


== Update Help pages as "Search" button changed in Vector Skin 2022 ==
:Hello @[[User:Oystersauce99|Oystersauce99]] and welcome to the Teahouse. We cite articles from newspapers using the {{tl|cite news}} template, as has already been done in that article. We also [[WP:AGF|assume good faith]] with editors using [[WP:OFFLINE]] sources that the source quoted does actually support the content. Enthusiastic readers could use local libraries or online repositories such as newspaperarchive.com to check sources and that archive is also good for finding more. Your shareholding in the past seems to me to be irrelevant now and the only issue is the photos. If these were taken by you with your own camera, they can be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons. Stick to uploading images of encyclopaedic value, and you'll be fine. Articles only need a limited number of representative images. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 12:20, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
::"The photos of the game farm I would have access to ..." implies you did not take the photographs yourself. Hence, "No" to your use of them. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 13:37, 26 January 2023 (UTC)


{{FYI|pointer=y|1=Neutral advertising as there has been little response. Already tried at [[Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)]] but [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AVillage_pump_%28technical%29&oldid=prev&diff=1267534781 it was archived] with no response.}}
== Access to an ACM Article ==


I need to see a paper: Movie script markup language by Dieter van Rijsselbergen et. al. To add references and new info to an article. The full paper is here: https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/1600193.1600231 Usually I can find a PDF somewhere but no luck on this one and alas I no longer am an ACM member. I recall there was a resource editors could use but it's been a while and I don't remember where it is (or I may be remembering wrong). Any suggestions would be appreciated. [[User:MadScientistX11|MadScientistX11]] ([[User talk:MadScientistX11|talk]]) 14:38, 26 January 2023 (UTC)


When searching (in the desktop version), the magnifying glass "Go" button to click to search link has been replaced by the "Search" button at the top of every page in the default Vector skin (2022). But most help pages have not reflected this change. [[File:Symbol_watching_blue_lashes_high_contrast.svg|20px|link=]] '''Please see [[Help talk:Contents#"Search" button changed in Vector Skin 2022]].''' <span style="color:#CD0000">[[User:Waddie96|waddie96]] ★ ([[User talk:Waddie96|talk]])</span> 09:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:Hello, MadScientist. Have a look at [[WP:RX]]. It may be that you can get it youself via [[WP:The Wikipedia Library]] (I've never used this, so I don't know its scope). [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 14:51, 26 January 2023 (UTC)


== Assistance with Page Deletion/Recreation ==
== Content review - rejected updates ==


Happy New Year All! We recently had our Wikipedia page draft deleted, and would like to rewrite/recreate it and submit for consideration again. We are a little confused about the requirements we need to complete before retrying with this page. Do we have to contact those who deleted the page? Can we just start fresh in the sandbox and resubmit? [[User:Kinfolx1114|Kinfolx1114]] ([[User talk:Kinfolx1114|talk]]) 16:34, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
Hello everyone,
:Hi @[[User:Kinfolx1114|Kinfolx1114]]. It's confusing that you use "we"; an account can only be used by a single person. If more than one person is using this account, please have each person create their own account. You can start a new draft in your sandbox or at [[:Draft:Rahsan Thomas]], but it must be written in your own words. You cannot copy content verbatim from other sources, as the message on your talk page explains. Hope that helps. [[User:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#066293;">'''Schazjmd'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#738276;">''(talk)''</span>]] 16:40, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
I'm Lucie and I work for a company that has a page on Wikipedia. Unfortunately, most of the facts and figures are outdated (since 2016). I've submitted new content today and it got rejected. Can someone help me in to review it and tells me what should be changed?
::Greetings, thank you for your response, much appreciated. (I am the only user of this account, btw). [[User:Kinfolx1114|Kinfolx1114]] ([[User talk:Kinfolx1114|talk]]) 16:56, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
Thank you.
Thank you. [[User:LucieG-PR|LucieG-PR]] ([[User talk:LucieG-PR|talk]]) 14:54, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

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Technical question about the long hyphen

Hi!

I've been editing the timeline of Polermo where the long hyphen dominates, but I can't seem to generate one.Typing a regular hyphen, gives me just that - a regular hyphen, typing two hyphens gives me two hyphens (--) and trying to make one through the keboard shortcut which I found on internet forums (Alt+0151), just gives me one that's too long (—). So far I've been copying and pasting existing long hyphens which is kind of annoying, does anyone have any better solutions?

Thanks! Moonshane1933 (talk) 14:38, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @Moonshane1933. I think you're talking about an em-dash. See MOS:EMDASH ColinFine (talk) 14:52, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes! That's what I meant! Thank you! Moonshane1933 (talk) 15:15, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think you could find a better character in "unicode table".
This "article" is listing the most common characters.

There are also the "Unicode block" entry on Wikipedia that can be maybe helpful. Anatole-berthe (talk) 14:54, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent. Thank you too! Moonshane1933 (talk) 15:16, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think ressources I shared with you will help you but I hope it will. Anatole-berthe (talk) 15:45, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ignoring the Minus sign, there are three 'horizontal line' characters most commonly used in text, the hyphen, the N-dash and the M-dash. There are various ways to insert the latter two; usually I do so with [alt]+0150 and [alt]+0151. Despite being a former professional book editor, I have not previously encountered a "long hyphen" (a term not found anywhere in Wikipedia). Note that the lengths of all these characters may look different in different typefaces: I suspect your "long hyphen" is an N-dash. [Apologies for semi-overlap with answers above.] {The poster formerly known as 897.81.230.195} 94.1.223.204 (talk) 17:00, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Moonshane1933 If you use the source editor, which you can do even if you mainly edit with the visual editor, you'll find that the N-dash and M-dash appear at the foot of the editing window, where you can click on them to insert them into text. Other useful tags like <ref></ref> are also available with a single click. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:11, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OOOOOOOHHHH... THANK YOU! That makes life easier! I hadn't even thought of looking at the source editor, because it always looks headache inducing to me. I'll give it a try. Thank you so much. Moonshane1933 (talk) 13:07, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, well, the "long hyphen" is a term that I coined, simply because I lacked the knowledge of its correct name, So I would have been very surprised if it had appeared in Wikipedia. Anyway, thank you, oh mysterious IP poster, I hope our paths cross again! Moonshane1933 (talk) 13:03, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Moonshane1933, some Christmas goodies for you:
Merriam-Webster Dictionary has a nice clear explanation about the both kinds of dashes and the hyphen, with good examples.
— The way the two kindts of dashes is written is em-dash (for —) and en-dash ( for – ), even though we pronounce the terms "M dash" and "N dash."
— Why these terns? Because the em-dash is exactly the width of capital M and the en-dash is exactly the width of capital N.
— If you have a Macintosh, there's a real simple way to make the dashes: the em-dash by pressing Control Option Hyphen at the same time, and the en-dash by pressing Option Hyphen at the same time.
—Did you notice how Nick Moyes creatively renamed Dasher, one of Santa Claus's eight reindeer, in his "Seasonal Greetings from all at the Teahouse" post to fellow editors below?
—You may be pleased to know that I found an online reference to a "long hyphen." So, then, you weren't completely alone in doing that. But as 94.1.223.204 commented above, in professional editing we just don't use it. Like ColinFine, )I think anyone who did say "long hyphen" would probably be thinking of the em-dash; though I also think what 94.1.223.204 said above is also technically correct, that the term would have to refer to the en-dash (that's the next size up for a hyphen, after all). Augnablik (talk) 06:08, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Augnablik, What a great reply! I thoroughly enjoyed every bit of it! And I learned a lot (not to detract from the other contributors, each of whom taught me something new - thanks, everybody) - a special thank you for the meanings of the em-dash and en-dash (I love that type of thing), and for drawing my attention to Nick Moyes' "Seasonal Greetings", and of course for finding me an ally in calling the en-dash a "Long hyphen" (don't worry, now that I know the correct terminology I will use it and hopefully amaze my friends...). Thank you again and Merry Christmas! Moonshane1933 (talk) 12:58, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Augnablik Not to be a naysayer, but I think the bit about em dashes being named for being 'M' width is a false etymology. I too would have loved if it were true, but I think it's actually based on the em unit as described in Dash#Em dash.  — Kilvin the Futz-y Enterovirus (talk) 10:23, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, @Kilvin the Futz-y Enterovirus, not to be a counter-naysayer (!) but there are many online sites with support for the width of the em-dash equal to M and of the en-dash equal to N. Here’s just one, offered by Grammarly. (Scroll down to What Is an En-Dash? and What Is an Em-Dash?) Augnablik (talk) 12:06, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hm... not to be a counter- counter- naysayer I mean I don't really think 'many online sites' and Grammarly (unsourced, could just be mirroring untrustworthy sources) are WP:RS. But you're right; my searches show similar results and don't really yield great answers to this matter (ideally there'd be a page like "Many people say that an em dash is named for X, but actually it is Y, and this misconception came from Z" linking to many reliable sources). I guess my personal bias is towards the people going "false etymology!" that acknowledge both X and Y rather than one group who simply assert the "fun" explanation with seemingly no awareness of the other explanation. I mean, as linked previously, the em and en are typographical units whose pages describe their origins, even addressing Em (typography)#Obsolete alternative definition.  — Kilvin the Futz-y Enterovirus (talk) 22:53, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oooh, @Kilvin the Futz-y Enterovirus, you’re acknowledging “personal bias” towards “false etymology?” That requires a declaration of COI! 🙂 Augnablik (talk) 18:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Aha! I found something! In the Historical thesaurus on the OED site. And I quote:
"em dash1836- A long dash , originally and usually the width of one em (see em, n.)." Moonshane1933 (talk) 13:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add a page?

Hello - How can somebody submit a page for a notable person? My husband has one of the country's worst wrongful convictions in the United States and I'd love to have somebody neutral put information up regarding his wrongful conviction case. We believe he will be exonerated someday. His name is Temujin Kensu and you can google search his name to learn more about this horrible case. Thank you! 65.111.210.82 (talk) 06:21, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Based on my Google search, I consider it almost certain that Temujin Kensu is notable and that Wikipedia ought to have an article about him. Cullen328 (talk) 07:39, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For anyone interested in starting a draft some of these Google hits could easily be used to pass WP:GNG. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:21, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Realistically, you may not get a volunteer. Teahouse Hosts volunteer here to advise, not to be authors or co-authors. David notMD (talk) 20:18, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If your husband is notable enough, he will be talked about. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 05:37, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
IP editor: I have now started to draft an article at Draft:Temujin Kensu. In view of your conflict of interest it would be best if you did not edit it directly (although that's not forbidden while it remains a draft). I would welcome your suggestions for additions and corrections at Draft talk:Temujin Kensu, especially where you can provide additional published sources I can use. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:47, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Isotopes lists download

Is there a to download these lists ? ( For example : the list in "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotopes_of_sodium" )

I have written a c# application that describes the relations between elements, isotopes, decays, fusions ... etc.(originating from the question "Where the carbon atoms in the cafeine in your coffee come from ?")

When you make normal modifications to these lists, it takes me about 2 weeks to refresh my database for over 3000 isotopes and 5000 decays coming from 118 pages (and subject to typing errors...)

I have tried to download one of these pages but I get one of these mumbo-jumbo network message ( about security and the correction looks like "set the web_client.Tchic_Tchac to Fling_Flang" ... and none of them works... )

Do you have a suggestion ?

Thank you very much Michel Béliveau (talk) 17:49, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Describing a message as a "mumbo-jumbo network message" is not very helpful in determining what your problem is. If you quote the error message exactly it might be more useful. In any case, I can successfully download articles using curl like this:
curl -k https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotopes_of_sodium
CodeTalker (talk) 19:52, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for this fast (and good) answer.
The mumbo-jumbo error message was : "The request was aborted: Could not create SSL/TLS secure channel." I was not using the good approach to download the content of the web page.
>>> However the CURL function does what I need.
Here is want to do In my application :
For each Element ( 118 !!! ) get the "List of Isotopes" for this Element. Then for each Isotope : get its mass, half-life, decay mode(s) and decay product(s). This yields for over 3500 isotopes and over 4500 decays. Refreshing the data took quite a long time.
Analyzing the results of the curl command is not so hard and will eliminate typing mistakes. Even if I need a few days to program the analysis, it will be faster than re-typing the data.
I will take a look at Wikidata.
Thanks again. Michel Béliveau (talk) 23:02, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Without really understanding what you are trying to do, I would suspect that Wikidata was a more useful resource than Wikipedia for your purpose, as it is a database which contains relations between its elements. ColinFine (talk) 21:34, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Michel Béliveau Wouldn't it be easier to download from the original sources, for example NUBASE? Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:48, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Mr. Turnbull.
You are correct. It would be easier to download from the original sources.
I have found (and used) a NUBASE file (namely for nucleus values) . So far, I have found only 1 NUBASE file that I could use ( coming from "The Ame2020 atomic mass evaluation (I)"   by W.J.Huang, M.Wang, F.G.Kondev, G.Audi and S.Naimi -  Chinese Physics C45, 030002, March 2021) .
The purpose of my request to Wikipedia is to avoid re-typing the values. The NUBASE file allowed this.
Do you know other NUBASE files ? Or other sources ? (I also found some data in PeriodicTable.com)
Thanks again for your interest Michel Béliveau (talk) 19:19, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To editor Michel Béliveau: Hello! This kind of question is something you might want to take to the Computing reference desk, where you can get people with computing expertise to assist. --Slowking Man (talk) 20:39, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Locked out of account

I got locked out of my DooplissTTYD account because I forgot the complex password and didn’t have an email address linked to it. Is there any way that account can be renamed to something else and I change this one to DooplissTTYD? TTYDDoopliss (talk) 21:50, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You would have to request a renaming from the account you want renamed. It can't be requested by in essence a third party(as we have no way to know who is on the other end of the computer). The best you can do is post on your current and previous user pages that you lost access to your old account and have a new one. 331dot (talk) 00:06, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is why the first thing you want to ensure you do right now is verify an e-mail address for your account, so you can restore it: follow this link if you haven't. Step 2: I highly recommend using a password manager to save passwords—as well as generate secure passwords. I suggest trying out Bitwarden.

Now in this particular case, your prior account has only a few edits; this means if you wait a bit, say 6 months, you can request to "usurp" it which will accomplish what you want. (Also, a very good game.) --Slowking Man (talk) 18:06, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I mean that’s what I did. I generated a password using a feature on my phone, and it kept saying the one I had on my phone was incorrect.
and yes I have an email linked to this account now. 6 months is a very long time though… TTYDDoopliss (talk) 19:13, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

donating - would like to donate

Hail... Would like to donate 50 quid to the cause but stop at the name and address part. Don't really see the need for full name and address. Just old and not particularly wise. Any suggestions? 81.96.25.61 (talk) 12:28, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi IP editor, the Wikimedia Foundation deals with all donation issues and questions - editors here at the Teahouse don't have any input. Please direct your query to the email address at the bottom of donate.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ways_to_Give qcne (talk) 12:49, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just to elaborate slightly: all editors here give their time entirely voluntarily and gain absolutely no financial benefit from any contributions made to keep the broader Wikipedia projects going. So we have little knowledge of how the donation systems work - despite being grateful for everyone's contributions. The advice above is sound. Nick Moyes (talk) 18:21, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also I'm not certain (not WMF personnel), but I am pretty confident the reason for requiring that info is fraud protection and banking and money laundering laws; it's not something the Foundation has any control over. WMF is a registered 501(c)(3) organization in the US, meaning it has to comply with a bunch of laws and regulations. (For furrin types, this is near-synonymous with "non-profit/charity" in the US, being simply the section of the Internal Revenue Code setting out the criteria said organizations have to meet to get tax exemption.) Note, a way that one can make semi-anonymous donations, is to pass them through what's called a "donor-advised fund" in the US, but this is a bit more involved and requires going through a bank or brokerage that will arrange your transfer. Alternatively, I suppose if one is accepting of the fact there are no guarantees in life one could always send cash to the WMF's front door with no return address and leave its final disposition up to them. --Slowking Man (talk) 18:38, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't find the ressource to add books wrote by someone

Hello ! I'd like to add a book on the article about "David Murphy (CIA)".

This is a book wrote by him not mentionned in the article.
I don't find the ressource explaining how to add the bibliography of someone. Anatole-berthe (talk) 16:17, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Anatole-berthe The standard template to use for book citations is {{cite book}}. It is usual, but not essential, to use its |URL= parameter to link to Google Books for the convenience of our readers. In this case that would be this link, from which you can also find the ISBN and full list of authors. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:27, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, @Anatole-berthe. Why do you want to add that book to that article? Has the book been discussed by independent sources? If not, why is it significant ednough to feature in a Wikipedia article?
More to the point, that article is woefully short of sources, and does not establish that Murphy meets the criteria for notability. ColinFine (talk) 17:42, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The book was wrote by himself as I said.

The ISBN-10 is "0300107803" and the ISBN-13 is "978-0300107807" for the first edition.
The title is "What Stalin Knew: The Enigma of Barbarossa" , it was published by "Yale University Press" in 2005.

The ISBN-10 is "030011981X" and the ISBN-13 is "978-0300119817" for the second edition.
The second edition was published in 2006 by the same publisher.

In this edition , it's mentionned the review of the first edition by "Niall Ferguson" for "New York Time Book Review".
The first edition was also reviewed by "Andrew Nagorski" for "The Weekly Standard".

There are also a review by "Henry Kissinger" but I consider it doesn't count to add this book on Wikipedia.
This person have to be considered as a reviewer among others even if he's notable accorded to criterias.

He didn't wrote the review for a magazine or a journal and therefore the fact "Kissinger" wrote a review should not be taken into account. This is what I think.

The same for the review by "Donald Kagan" for "Yale University" for a particular reason. This person worked for "Yale" and the book was published by "Yale University Press". Therefore , I consider it's like a review by the publisher itself.


Conclusion : I think this book met the criteria n°1 for "Wikipedia:Notability_(books)" to create an article on this book.
I don't want to create an article on the book itself.

The "Threshold standards" is met because "Library of Congress" catalogued this book.
LCCN is "2004065916".

If it is considered as notable to create an article , I consider it is notable enough to mention this book on the article "David Murphy (CIA)". Anatole-berthe (talk) 12:03, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

can you give me a lnk of the Roblox page

i need Roblox link to sign in 24.192.134.19 (talk) 01:57, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to the Teahouse. Did you have a question about editing or using Wikipedia? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:07, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Tenryuu I think hes trolling. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 02:50, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's my standard reply to anyone who doesn't ask questions about Wikipedia here. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:58, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Does this link help at all? If you have general computing questions that aren't Wikipedia-specific, go to the Computing reference desk. --Slowking Man (talk) 18:46, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good Sources for Articles

G-Day

I wanted to ask if there is any reliable source for Articles. I cannot afford my personal favourite, The "Britannica" Encyclopedia, since they seem to be rare and expensive. Thank you. (I know this isn't about a specific Article but I need to know this) PizzaFrank (talk) 13:51, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@PizzaFrank there are all sorts of reliable sources, not just Encyclopædia Britannica, and most don't require a purchase of any kind. See Wikipedia:Reliable sources for a detailed overview of RSes here on Wikipedia. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talkcontribs) 13:55, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, I will check that out. PizzaFrank (talk) 14:03, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
PizzaFrank Note that you don't have to personally own the source- it just needs to be publicly accessible, like online, or in a library. 331dot (talk) 14:01, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Understood Thank you for the help. PizzaFrank (talk) 14:04, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
PizzaFrank I have used https://www.britannica.com a few times, and there is no fee to use the online version of Encyclopedia Britannica. Karenthewriter (talk) 18:27, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And besides public libraries which are great, Wikipedia editors with some experience can access The Wikipedia Library which grants free access to tons of "paywalled" "digital content"! Pretty neat! Also see there: even if your account is not "seasoned" enough yet, you can request experienced editors assist you with researching sources through it. --Slowking Man (talk) 17:45, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Photograph attribution

I want to use a portrait of my grandfather taken in 1915 by a company that no longer exists. I can show an attribution in the caption, but there is nobody I can seek permission from. How do I proceed, please? Gangnam Woodford (talk) 16:52, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. It depends on the laws of your country, but a photo taken in 1915 is likely in the public domain. According to https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory/United_States in the US anything published before 1929 is public domain(other than sound recordings), so it would just depend on your own country. 331dot (talk) 16:56, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes BUT (big but!), "publication" in the context of US copyright law has a specifical technical, legal definition. It doesn't mean "creation" or even "giving a copy to a particular person". Hirtle chart. A photograph of a private individual is almost certainly an "unpublished work" under the US copyright meaning of that term, which matters significantly for the length of its copyright term especially if an "older" work. Copyright is a subject that gets quite technical, so if not familiar and experienced with copyright issues, it is best to hesitate to advise others before researching things in detail and double-checking, and if in doubt, direct others to forums like Commons where experts can be found. --Slowking Man (talk) 20:02, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Gangnam Woodford Is this an American picture? If so, you can upload it as public domain, see [1]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:57, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, should have said: UK. Gangnam Woodford (talk) 16:58, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Gangnam Woodford Still good, see this example: File:Archibald Joyce.jpg. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:02, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! Gangnam Woodford (talk) 17:06, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please also see MOS:CREDITS ".... do not credit the image author or copyright holder in the article. .... as long as the appropriate credit is on the image description page." - Arjayay (talk) 17:16, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Gangnam Woodford (talk) 17:29, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To editor Gangnam Woodford: "Congratulations", you've just tripped onto one of the fun little copyright law landmines that are out there (alternately: "job security for lawyers"). Everything on Wikimedia Commons must be public domain in both the US, and origin country. This means you have to care about US copyright law and all its nuances: see Hirtle chart. Unless the picture was like put on display in an art gallery or something, it is an "unpublished" work and therefore still under copyright in the US until 2035! (120 yrs from creation date) Really! Welcome to copyright law!

Here are the practical implications for you in this case: Is this image going to be used in an article? If so, upload it here on enwp (not Commons) by following this link, and tag it {{PD-UK-unknown}}, as well as adding a fair use rationale since it's still under US copyright.
Add it to the article(s), nothing more needed—some bot should automatically transport it over to Commons when it finally lapses into PD-US. However, if you just, say, want to use the image on your user page, I'm afraid you aren't going to be able to for 10 more years. So stick a pin in the calendar for that. --Slowking Man (talk) 19:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

An Article About CK

Resolved
 – Young person goofing off --Slowking Man (talk) 20:14, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Extended content

I was asked by christen kuikoua representation to write an article about him and it was declined saying I didn't correctly reference it. Please if anyone wishes to jump in and help me with Will appreciate it Draft:Christen Kuikoua

Silvernet123 (talk) 18:27, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Silvernet123, I've left some instructions on your talk page about the mandatory paid editing disclosure that is required by Wikimedia's terms of service. Please follow those instructions before making any other edits. -- D'n'B-📞 -- 19:03, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay thank you Silvernet123 (talk) 19:05, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Silvernet123, are you actually being paid to write complete garbage like He is known as one of the most philosophical minds in the 21st century with a record of 200+ Quotations and 89+ Poetry highlighting themes of love, patience, self-worth, discipline, and Christ-like values about an unknown 17 year old? That is the complete opposite of how an encyclopedia article should be written. Would you take a job as a chef if you don't know how to cook? Cullen328 (talk)
Silvernet123 I would add that our incentive to help you is low......if you're being paid to be here, it's up to you to learn our standards and what we're looking for. We're here for free. 331dot (talk) 19:18, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's fair. I appreciate your feedback and will take the time to learn and meet Wikipedia's standards. Thank you for pointing me in the right direction. but still if you can assist I will appreciate Silvernet123 (talk) 19:25, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, @Silvernet123. This is probably not what you want to hear, but: My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. ColinFine (talk) 20:59, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The entire article is written as self-promotion. One of your references is to fan writing on Medium claiming "(Account Not Own By Christen Kuikoua)", but appears to be copy/paste of material written by the subject. Promotional material does not belong in Wikipedia. Trying to create some fake noteriety by sneaking badly ghost-written articles into Wikipedia and elsewhere is unethical. If you wish to fake fame, then low-accountability social meda sites are probably more appropriate. Just Al (talk) 21:15, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yo, I got here ‘cause I’ve been hearing you say I paid or my "representation" paid you to write an article. Like, not trying to be rude, but you gotta chill. I didn’t send you anywhere, and no one representing me sent you either. Bro, if you’re one of my friends messing around, you gotta stop.
I looked at the draft, and while it’s kind of you to try writing something for me, you gotta do it the right way. Don’t go around saying I sent you somewhere—just saying, it’s not a good look. I’d like Wikipedia to delete the draft because I didn’t pay anyone, and I’m not planning on paying anyone either. Christenkofficial (talk) 23:54, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Christenkofficial,
Thank you for reaching out and clarifying your position. First, I want to say that I genuinely admire your work, which is why I was inspired to write about it. However, I now realize that my actions may have caused confusion or unintended trouble for you. I’m really sorry for using your name like that without your knowledge or permission it wasn’t my intention to create any issues.
If you’d like the draft to be deleted, I completely understand and will fully support that. Thank you for bringing this to my attention, and I’ll be more careful moving forward.
Best regards,
Silvernet123 Silvernet123 (talk) 00:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note that the account Christenkofficial has (correctly or not, I'm just reporting) now been blocked as a sockpuppet of Silvernet123, per Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Silvernet123. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.1.223.204 (talk) 03:35, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How to add sources

I need a simplified tutorial in how to add the number reference and the cite the source. M. Chris Tucker (talk) 19:02, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello M. Chris Tucker (talk · contribs), might I suggest Referencing For Beginners. -- D'n'B-📞 -- 19:06, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @M. Chris Tucker and welcome to Wikipedia! The simplest way to add references is, directly after the sentence or paragraph that your source supports, add <ref>, followed by the text of your reference, followed by </ref>. The software will sort out the numbering for you. Others here should be able to give you more detailed advice, and the guide that D'n'B linked above looks like a great place to learn more. Thanks for your additions to Edward Dickson (Canadian politician)! Best, Wham2001 (talk) 19:07, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2607:FEA8:7D00:95A0:FDD3:6EB9:68D5:D6D7 (talk) 00:38, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks very much! I will follow up on your suggestion and wish you a Happy New Year. M. Chris Tucker (talk) 00:42, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How do I add a "Main Article" to Wikipedia

I updated our "Cornhusker Council" section under Boy Scouts of America, Nebraska Scouting. and would like to create a main article for our council. how do I do that?

Cornhusker324 (talk) 21:15, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cornhusker324 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. First, please see conflict of interest, as that needs to be formally disclosed. For a standalone article about your specific council, you would need to show with significant coverage in independent reliable sources that your council meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable organization. That coverage can't just be the reporting of its routine activities, but in depth coverage as to what makes your council important/significant/influential. Be aware that writing a new article is the most difficult task to attempt on Wikipedia, and it's even harder with a conflict of interest. Also be aware that an article is not necessarily desirable. 331dot (talk) 21:23, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello @Cornhusker324. I have just reverted your edits in accordance with our conflict of interest policy. Please request specific edits on the article's respective talk page. Thanks. Tarlby (t) (c) 21:25, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And I'm not sure why the council itself would merit a standalone article from the article about scouting in Nebraska. 331dot (talk) 21:31, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Many other Councils already have a standalone article. I would think this would be supported for consistency sake. Cornhusker324 (talk) 21:35, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Cornhusker324, please see WP:42. Some council have articles. Others don't, and maybe they shouldn't. It all depends on the reliable sources that we need to use so that an article can be made. An article on Cornhusker Council won't be made if there are no such sources. Tarlby (t) (c) 21:40, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Noted Cornhusker324 (talk) 21:43, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have changed my user name in hopes of complying with your COI policy. The stand-alone article seems too difficult at this point. Perhaps in the future.
As such, I would simply like to update our section, "Cornhusker Council," in "Scouting in Nebraska." and will attempt that in the 'talk page,' as you suggested. Cornhusker324 (talk) 21:42, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your name change does not show up yet, and regardless of a name change, you still have a COI. I see that you are proposing changes on the Talk page of the article, but much of what you wrote is not referenced. See Help:Referencing for beginners to understand how to insert inline refs. David notMD (talk) 05:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I provided four references which is more than what is currently listed. Those currently used are not authoritative and factually incorrect. 209.92.187.50 (talk) 15:34, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How exactly did you change your username? It should be done via either Special:GlobalRenameRequest or WP:CHUS. You should continue to use your original username until it is changed, at which time you can begin using the new name. 331dot (talk) 15:48, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Never mind, I see it is changed now. 331dot (talk) 15:49, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is not how references are created. Also, you now appear to be editing as an IP address, i.e., not logged into an account versus a name-change. David notMD (talk) 16:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've used two different means to source the information I provided, both of which were recommended by this site and/or a moderator. CCJLJ (talk) 17:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Again, see Help:Referencing for beginners to understand how to insert inline refs. What you posted on the Talk page of the article (below) are not properly formatted references. David notMD (talk) 21:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References supporting change:

  • Salistean, John, "A History of the Cornhusker Council 1940-1975," Houchen Bindery LTD of Utica, Nebraska, 1st ed., 2011.
  • Golden Sun Lodge Website, www.goldensunlodge.org
  • Cornhusker Council Website, www.cornhuskercouncil.org
  • Brown, Elinor L., "History of Lancaster County, Then and Now," ASIN‎ B0006CJTC2, Jan 1971.

Notability and Independence.

My grandmother, Ethel Margaret Streit Harrison, was the first woman elected as Clerk of the Montana Supreme Court, one of the founders of the Montana Association of Female Executives and one of the original board members of the Holter Museum of Art. There are printed sources that talk about her achievements but according to wikipedia the only thing notable about her was that she was married to John C. Harrison (judge). I understand that, as a relative, there is a potential conflict here, but I think it is important her contributions are documented on something other than microfiche. Any thoughts? / Thank you :) Mehap dwhx (talk) 22:40, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mehap dwhx, none of those three roles that you describe automatically confers Wikipedia-defined "notability" on a person. And the sum of the three doesn't either. But it's possible that she's "notable" all the same. Regardless of your conflict of interest, you're free to create Draft:Ethel Margaret Streit Harrison. If this demonstrates her notability and follows Wikipedia's other policies, it will be promoted to an article (possibly with a slightly different title), whereupon you shouldn't continue to edit it but would be free to make suggestions and requests on its talk page. -- Hoary (talk) 23:12, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To expand an aspect of Hoary's excellent advice above: in Wikipedia, 'Notability' boils down to "is there enough substantial material, published independently of the subject, in multiple Reliable sources, to form the basis of an article about the subject. It doesn't necessarily require that the subject is 'famous', or in one of many possible senses 'important'.
Also, the fact that your grandmother's achievements are not yet in Wikipedia doesn't mean Wikipedia asserts they aren't, or she as a whole isn't, notable; merely that no volunteer editor has yet gathered the necessary sources and added the information (with citations), whether in her husband's article or in a draft for her own. I encourage you to try. Good luck!
While we're here, I notice that John C. Harrison's article is on shaky ground, because it's entirely cited to a single (though reliable) source: we usually prefer a minimum of three, so if you could flesh out that article with further referenced material, it would be a good thing. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.1.223.204 (talk) 03:56, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Add Ethel Margaret Streit Harrison to: John_C._Harrison_(judge)#Personal_life
69.181.17.113 (talk) 04:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
can you find at least 4 WP:RS sources ? 69.181.17.113 (talk) 04:47, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
She's already mentioned in that section as Ethel Harrison, cited to the article's (only) reference. Even to add her middle names would require a further citation to a published reliable source that mentions them (the existing one does not: I've downloaded and searched it). {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.1.223.204 (talk) 06:56, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Being married to JCH can be mentioned in her Personal life section, but does not contribute to establishing her notability. David notMD (talk) 05:34, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Restoring previously unmerged articles

I would like to create a new article but it once existed back in 2009 and got merged without consensus. Is it okay if I restore the article but with more and better sources from my sandbox later on? Because one user tried to restore a merged article and it got immediately undone because a consensus existed to merge it. I'm not saying that I'll do it right now as it's still unfinished but I need to ask because if I can't then I'll just cancel. Underdwarf58 (talk) 00:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's very little about the original subject 'Cyprus–Jordan relations' in Foreign relations of Cyprus that it was merged into, so I think that if you think you have enough Reliably sourced material (bearing in mind there's also been another 15 years of history) you should go ahead and create a new Draft on the subject, via the normal Wikipedia:Articles for creation process, which can be submitted for assessment. Good luck! {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.1.223.204 (talk) 04:11, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

template

Hello, I'm need of some assistance with creating a Wikipedia page about a music artist. Can anyone advise which template to use? RATHOMP (talk) 02:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

look at other Wikipedia pages about music artists ... 69.181.17.113 (talk) 04:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, IP user, and welcome to the Teahouse. From your question, I suspect that you are focussing on the layout of your proposed article (I'm guessing that that's what you mean by a "template" - we use the word a bit differently here). But while the layout of an article is important, it is MUCH less important than the quality of the sources used. Until you have found adequate sources to establish that the artist meets Wikipedia's criteria for [[WP:notability|}], it's pointless spending any time thinking about the content or the layout. To use a house-building analogy, you may have an idea for what you want your house to look like, and even a plan; but until you've surveyed the site to make sure it's fit to build on, and checked that your plans meet local building regulations, it would be a waste of effort to start building.
More generally, My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. ColinFine (talk) 10:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is there a specific place you're currently working on the article at? I can't seem to find it on your userpage as a subpage. For advice, I'd recommend looking at other music artist articles (specifically various quality articles from The Beatles [FA] to Sepultura [C-class]) for general outlines on how to write it. For infoboxes, use {{infobox musical artist}} and fill out the template using it's template page at Template:Infobox musical artist. For general advice on writing, see Wikipedia's content policies and guidelines, I'd recommend WP:Nutshell as a starting point.
Thanks, Sparkle and Fade talkedits 08:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

how can I rigth a article in wikipedia

how can I rigth Daniel Muanga (talk) 03:49, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Article wizard
69.181.17.113 (talk) 04:39, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
New editors are strongly advised to first gain skills by doing time improving existing articles. References required. David notMD (talk) 05:39, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
See referencing for beginners. When editing, think twice, preview before publishing (maybe even twice) and take responsibility. Cwater1 (talk) 16:48, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Find a Grave = WP:RS ?

Is Find a Grave = WP:RS ?

69.181.17.113 (talk) 04:37, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to the Teahouse. Please consult Wikipedia:FINDAGRAVE. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:03, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The answer is "no" because Find a Grave consists of user generated content, and is specifically mentioned in the WP:USERGENERATED section of the reliable sources guideline as a source that should not be used as a reference on Wikipedia. That does not mean that Find a Grave is of no value to Wikipedia editors. You may be able to find nuggets in those listings that will inform your searches about various people. Some but not all Find a Grave listings include references to reliable sources, and those sources may be useful as Wikipedia references. One thing that Find a Grave can teach editors is that many people down through the years share the same name, and we need to be very careful to avoid including biographical details about one Andrew Wilson in an article about another Andrew Wilson. That's just one of countless examples. I have been working on Andrew Stephen Wilson today, so that's why I chose that example.. Cullen328 (talk) 06:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello -- I would like to start helping, but I'm having trouble finding what to do!

I see lots of support for ultra basics, but I know what the concept is, and how to edit, and how to make italics and hyperlinks, and that I should use a neutral voice, etc. I am trying to find some guidance on WHAT to contribute. I found the Typo Team (or at least, this typo team), but I haven't found guidance on interacting with it. (Do I delete entries if I resolve them? Yesterday I found many entries to check, but today none of the articles seem to HAVE the potential typo that was listed, or even a fixed version). I have found this Growth page, but can't get the features working. For example, it says to enable the Help panel in the Editing tab, but I don't see such a thing in the Editing tab. I also can't find "Display newcomer homepage" in my user preferences. Similar with Suggested Edits -- how can I "use Special:NewcomerTasksInfo"? Etc., etc. I must be missing some key piece of advice -- where can I figure out how to get things rolling? SKM (talk) 05:08, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Skmccormick. As a volunteer project, you're free to do whatever you wanna do best. Want to copyedit a bunch of articles and bring our grammar up to shape? Join the Guild of Copy Editors and go wild. Wanna fight vandalism? Go patrol Special:RecentChanges and stop those dang vandals! Wanna go help out that typo team? Go right ahead. It's your choice. Tarlby (t) (c) 05:26, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Skmccormick
Thank you! These links are helpful. I found "display user homepage" under User Profile. So maybe a silly question, but: how do I find this user homepage? I don't really go to Wikipedia generically, I usually jump straight to an article. Tasks and Requests seem like what I'm looking for. SKM (talk) 01:47, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The link should be right at the top of every page when you're logged in, in the same place/menu as the link to your userpage. -- asilvering (talk) 02:05, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Skmccormick, do you have any particular topics that you'd like to edit about? One way to find a lot of articles that need help is to go through our various maintenance backlogs (Gråbergs Gråa Sång has already linked you to WP:TASKS). Some people are content to plug away at a particular backlog chronologically, but if you prefer to edit on things you're generally interested in, it's helpful to filter these by wikiproject. Alternatively, do you have any particular skills or outside knowledge that might be helpful here? There's always demand for multilingual editors, the copyright folks are always backlogged, etc. -- asilvering (talk) 10:16, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I would prefer to get into the groove with smaller contributions before I start throwing any weight around. Sadly, I cannot offer multilingual help; I am American. I'm mostly having trouble navigating the various pages and internal tools like TASKS or RecentChanges (anything labeled "Special:" is still new to me). SKM (talk) 01:50, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm a fan of Category:Wikipedia introduction cleanup as a newbie task - not small, exactly, but hey, no time like the present to learn to WP:BEBOLD. You don't (or shouldn't) need to do any research to fix these articles - most of them are here because they are tagged with "lead too short". Find one of those, read the article, then rewrite the lead so it summarizes it accurately. Then remove the tag. All this requires is good English literacy, and since the lead is what most people read and what is used in the google knowledge box etc, it's a high-impact change that requires very little wiki-knowledge. -- asilvering (talk) 02:16, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Different images for Light/Dark mode

Is there any way to tell Wikipedia to display different images / media for Light vs Dark mode users? Due to transparency, some SVG and PNG images have bad contrast when viewed in Dark mode. CrushedAsian255 (talk) 06:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@CrushedAsian255 This question is likely to have a better audience at WP:VPT. That board has a more technically oriented team than here. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 09:26, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wider vs specific consensus

Can a case-specific consensus triumph a wider topic consensus already established? Not that consensus over wider topic is changed but maybe because that case is viewed from a different perspective. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 07:33, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ExclusiveEditor I doubt it. Were that to be the case we would not have consistency of operation. This question is likely to have a better audience at WP:VPP. That board has a more policy oriented team than here 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 09:28, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, @ExclusiveEditor, and welcome to the Teahouse. While I agree with FiddleFaddle's advice, I would also remark that general questions like yours are very frustrating for people who attempt to answer questions here. If you explain the specific issue you want guidance on, you are much more likely to get a useful answer (and also be less likely to be suspected of wikilawyering).
I am aware of the possible irony in my answer, given your question. ColinFine (talk) 10:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for replying! Being a half-host on Teahouse myself I get you. I was inspired to ask this question by the discussion happening here. The latter part of the discussion specifically focuses on if 'Nobel prize' should be added or not in Jimmy Carter's death blurb on Main page's ITN section. It was initially proposed by the nominator and many supported it (albeit not mentioning specifically the Nobel prize) and it got posted without the mention of the prize. However later there was some more scrambling, this time with more regard to the Nobel prize and so it currently updated to include the prize in the blurb. The opposers are generally arguing that it is editorializing and other things. I may not be very good in summarizing discussions, so I left it in the question. --ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 10:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How to upload a >100 MB file to Wikipedia?

I've uploaded plenty of files to Commons before, but I've only uploaded a few (non-free) files to WP. I would like to upload a short film that will become public domain in the US at the start of 2025 (won't be PD in its country of origin for a few years, so no uploading it to commons), but the file is over 100 MB, the maximum file size listed on the upload page. I don't want to compress it any more than it already is, so how to I get around this? I've seen several films large than 100 MB on WP already (1, 2), so it must be possible.

Any help with this is greatly appreciated. Thanks. — Toast for Teddy (talk) 07:48, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Toast for Teddy This question is likely to have a better audience at WP:VPT. That board has a more technically oriented team than here 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 09:26, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Toast for Teddy That first file you linked was uploaded with the aid of a userscript discussed at Commons:User talk:Rillke/bigChunkedUpload.js. I don't pretend to understand the details, but you may ;-) Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:27, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Even if you're uploading "locally", Commons:Upload tools is likely helpful. All the projects use the same MediaWiki software, all that needs adjustment is the destination for the upload. --Slowking Man (talk) 20:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Editing a sandbox, references number is doubling

Hi there! I was editing my sandbox and for some reasons all the different references I am adding are doubling the number of them and the previous ones are not disappeared. I was following your suggestions to add COI edit to my text, eliminating the internal sources and the bold words. Can you help me or it is just a matter of viewing and once I publish the sand box they will all disappear? Andrea Biographer (talk) 09:10, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Andrea Biographer: it seems that with this edit you've duplicated the contents by pasting an earlier edit into the page, thus embedding a copy of the entire page within the page (if that makes sense). You should undo your most recent edits up to and including that one. Or if you'd like me to do it, let me know. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:16, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @DoubleGrazing, thanks for your prompt answer! I think you made sense, could you check and fix this for me? I don't want to commit any further mistakes in the editing process or in the COI different templates, thanks in advance! Andrea Andrea Biographer (talk) 09:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
User:Theroadislong has already sorted this out. Also, your draft is now located at Draft:Gridspertise. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

how to give feedback

i had a question on why an article was written and sent it to info@ wikipedia. they told me that I needed to engage in the "talk" feature and ask the editors, since wikipedia is only a platform. I did that and not only was the answer not given I was ridiculed, because I am not actually sure why. I am not interested in editing wikipedia, I am only interested in engaging with the editors, to understand inconsistencies. How exactly would I do that, if I should not be using the talk feature. thanks Mommer264 (talk) 12:34, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. Discussion about an article usually takes place on its talk page. Discussion with an editor directly can occur on their user talk page.
Note that your only other edit was about the Israeli-Arab/Palestinian conflict, which is a topic area with special rules that I will notify you of on your user talk page. One of those is that you must be an experienced user in order to make edits to any type of page about it. Your account must be 30 days old with 500 edits. 331dot (talk) 12:53, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also answering your query: :You asked a question that is now at Talk:State of Palestine/Archive 21. Talk pages of articles are not for 'open' questions. Instead, the proper method is to propose a specific change of text, as in replace A with B, and include a reference to support your proposal. Given that State of Palestine is a very controversial article, editors who participate there - at both article and talk - can be short on tact. David notMD (talk) 12:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am not interested in editing wikipedia If you're not interested in contributing to the project, then you probably ought to go elsewhere. The purpose of Wikipedia is to produce an encyclopedia; notably, talk pages are for constructively discussing the project and its content, not general Internet forums for discussion. There are many many discussion forums elsewhere on the Internet, and Wikipedia can even help direct you to some of them. If you do wish to contribute to the encyclopedia, take a look at WP:Welcome. Thank you and I hope you have a good day. --Slowking Man (talk) 21:03, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

VisualEditor

I've just changed my Preferences > Editing

Turned on "Enable the visual editor" (which, I think, it's on by default in Wikipedia in Italian language)

But i can not find out how to edit with VisualEditor.

I've looked at Help:VisualEditor and it says (Help:VisualEditor#Opening VisualEditor to click on the "Edit" tab (in the picture I can see a "drop down" menu to choose the editor).

But I've not this choice. My tab is named "Edit source". Centrodiurnomilano (talk) 14:47, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've found out, reading Help:VisualEditor#First step: enabling VE (which seems a bit outdated, by the way).
After I've changed my Preferences > Editing > "Enable the visual editor" = ON
and the press "save" button at the bottom.
Only then, a "drop down menu" show up in the same section: "Editing mode", which is setted by default "Remember the last editor". I've changed it to "Show both editor tabs".
It's not easy to find out. Centrodiurnomilano (talk) 15:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
By the way, I've looked at the settings on Wikipedia in Italian language and "Enable the visual editor" it's enough there (there is no "Editing mode" option at all) Centrodiurnomilano (talk) 15:08, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Italian Wikipedia and English Wikipedia run on the same system, MediaWiki, but are two different Wikipedias. So if this is a question about itwiki, then you should go to a help board on itwiki. If this a question about enwiki, you should be able to switch between the source editor and visual editor by pressing the pencil button next to the preview button in the source editor. Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 16:07, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But, @Centrodiurnomilano, do note that you can only use the VisualEditor is some namespaces but not all. You can in mainspace, userspace, draftspace but not in wikispace which is the space with the Wikipedia: prefix. Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 16:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, @Cowboygilbert . I've tried in main space and the in user space. Centrodiurnomilano (talk) 16:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Were you able to fix it using the instructions that I put, you should be able to switch between the source editor and visual editor by pressing the pencil button next to the preview button in the source editor.? Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 16:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"No Such Number tone" / "crybaby tone" (type of intercept error)

Hello everyone. This is one of my first times writing a brand-new article, and I'm not sure if this is a notable enough topic for its own page or a subsection in the intercept message.

This technically isn't a message, but before the intercept message was used, a different type of tone could also be returned instead of connecting to an operator. This is known under many different names, such as the "no such number tone" or even the "crybaby tone." This tone would be returned if a caller attempts to dial a number that can't possibly exist according to the numbering plan. The call would not be allowed to go through because some of these numbers could be reserved for private use. The tone itself is continuous, sweeping from 200-400Hz back to 200Hz again over the course of one second.

The issue is that it's almost exclusively used in North America, if not, completely exclusively. It was introduced by the Bell System in 1941, but I've also heard of it in use by the 3CX Asterisk system. However, my intent is to preserve information about this tone, as next to no information seems to exist about it. An excerpt from the Bell Labs Record describes it here. It also seems to be exclusive to crossbar systems.

[2] Bell Labs record

[3] Article about this record

[4] Sample of this sound

What do you think of this? ZetaformGames (talk) 19:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @ZetaformGames, welcome to the teahouse and welcome to Wikipedia! I think that this could be a good idea as a subsection in the article for Intercept message or some other related article. I don't think that there is enough for a full article with the sources you've posted but could definitely be an interesting paragraph! Justiyaya 07:12, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, thank you! And thanks for the welcome. I made this account a while ago, but haven't felt confident enough in my editing skills until now to contribute. ZetaformGames (talk) 17:46, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Maryam Mirzakhani

Can someone fix the error in the Maryam Mirzakhani article?

Mirzakhani solved this counting problem by relating it to the problem of computing volumes in moduli space—a space whose points correspond to different complex structures on a surface genus Failed to parse (SVG (MathML can be enabled via browser plugin): Invalid response ("Math extension cannot connect to Restbase.") from server "http://localhost:6011/en.wikipedia.org/v1/":): {\displaystyle g} . In her thesis, Mirzakhani found a volume formula for the moduli space of bordered Riemann surfaces of genus g {\displaystyle g} with n {\displaystyle n} geodesic boundary components. From this formula followed the counting for simple closed geodesics mentioned above, as well as a number of other results. This led her to obtain a new proof for the formula discovered by Edward Witten and Maxim Kontsevich on the intersection numbers of tautological classes on moduli space.

Thanks. 76.14.122.5 (talk) 19:28, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi IP 76.14.122.5. Generally, the best place to discuss something like this is on the talk page for the article in question, which in this case would be Talk:Maryam Mirzakhani; however, if you truly believe there's an error in the article, you can be WP:BOLD and fix it yourself if you think you can. Please understand though that "fix it" in this context means to correct the article in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines, and the policies/guidelines most likely applicable in this case are going to be Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:No original research. Ideally, you're going to need to find WP:SECONDARY reliable sources (as defined by Wikipedia) to cite in support of the change you want to make; even if you know such changes to be true, you're still going to need to cite reliable sources in support to allow others to verify the changes. If you just make a change without providing any citations to a reliable source in support, there's a good chance the change will be undone by another user. Given that this seems to be related to mathematics, you might argue that "proving" the information to be incorrect based on Mirakhani's academic thesis is more than sufficient in and of itself, but Wikipedia generally requires something more and a thesis is going to be, for the most part, considered a WP:PRIMARY source and could have other issues as explained in WP:SCHOLARSHIP. You could also try asking about this at Wikipedia:WikiProject Mathematics since that's where you're going to have a better chance of finding someone sufficiently versed in mathematics who might be able to help sort this out. -- Marchjuly (talk) 19:52, 31 December 2024 (UTC);post edited. -- 22:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please disregard my reply IP 76.14.122.5. I misunderstood what you were asking about. ColinFine's suggestion below seems to be the best course of action here. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, IP user. What you are reporting is a problem in the software, the network, or the user interface, and not in the content of the article. Generally, technical problems of this sort are better handled at WP:VPT than here. However, I'm not seeing that problem, either on the browser on my laptop, or on the Android app. Is it repeatable, or might it have been a temporary glitch?
Actually, now I look at it, the URL above appears to be a local proxy, so it may be that whoever manages your local network has not configured the proxy in a way that Wikipedia requires. Again, WP:VPT is a better place to ask about this.
@Marchjuly. The problem that the IP is reporting is obviously a technical one, so your answer is entirely off the point. ColinFine (talk) 20:21, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for catching my mistake and pointing the OP in the right direction ColinFine. I've stricken my reply so as to not confuse the OP or anyone else. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Stuck on Puerto Rico outages notability.

Hi, new to Wikipedia here and probably gonna create a draft on the Puerto Rico power outage crisis but wanted to ask: I’m stuck in the notability of this topic, so, is the Puerto Rico power outage crisis notable enough for Wikipedia? By power outage crisis I mean the beginning of the Puerto Rican outages from Hurricane Maria to now since it has lasted multiple years with sustained media coverage when an outage does occur. Cheers! 66.50.50.222 (talk) 20:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rather than a new article, you could expand on the outages already documented in Puerto Rico Electric Power Authority and in LUMA Energy. Schazjmd (talk) 20:44, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A search within Wikipedia on "Puerto Rico power outage" yields a list of several articles, including Puerto Rico Electric Power Authority and in LUMA Energy David notMD (talk) 21:15, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Noted. Will expand those articles then instead. Thanks! 66.50.50.222 (talk) 21:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My first impression would be that an article is likely warranted. PR is an island of ~3 million people, in the same neighborhood as Los Angeles. If Los Angeles were having sustained multi-year-long Issues with electrical service, there would be an article about it. Non-English language sources are perfectly acceptable for citing in articles, as long as a little care is observed.
Note, to the anonymous editor: if you create an account you get your own shiny neato userspace to use mostly at your leisure, where for instance you can work on draft articles with no hurry. I have one underway in mine in fact. And thank you again for being interested in contributing to Wikipedia!
(Regarding LA: some may have had come to mind the California energy crisis, but, neat fact, LA actually escaped impact from that because of having its own municipal utility with its own generation capacity!) --Slowking Man (talk) 01:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note to User:Slowking Man: The userspace is the wrong place to draft an article. Either use your Sandbox or else follow instructions at WP:YFA to create a draft. David notMD (talk) 03:33, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Is "userspace" not the colloquial term for "your user page and any and all subpages of it"? The "official" user sandbox link is Special:MyPage/sandbox, which takes you to the /sandbox subpage of your user page. --Slowking Man (talk) 05:29, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, the IP editor (66.xx) here, just created my account, and I mainly refrained from creating an article due to being worried about a potential conflict-of-interest (I live in Puerto Rico myself). I might work on a draft later today and collect sources (as @BusterD suggested), thank you all btw for helping me clear up this question I’ve had for some time now! Atheions (talk) 04:11, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
On the other hand, User:Slowking Man is correct that an article might be created on this newsworthy subject and that one shouldn't necessarily rely strictly on English-language sources. Looking at the existing material, it certainly seems a sequence of outages could be established from some of the reliable sources already applied to pagespace. I agree with User:David notMD that WP:YFA is a place to consider how to start a new page. I would start collecting sources, online and in print. BusterD (talk) 03:58, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies if jumping the gun or creating a draft too early, but I have created one. Won’t be able to do much progress today but will def collect sources to use. Atheions (talk) 07:32, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Am I allowed to post something about a game I am making on Wikipedia?

Am i allowed to post somthing about a game i am making? On Wikipedia Aaronfart14 (talk) 22:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Allowed? Yes. Good idea? No. Likely to remain on Wikipedia? No. Writing an article is difficult, particularly for new editors. And since this is about your game, you have a conflict of interest in writing about it. See H:YFA and WP:COI. Simply posting information about your game rather than writing an article would be promotion. See WP:PROMOTION Meters (talk) 22:20, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Aaronfart14, the relevant content guideline is WP:Wikipedia is not for things made up one day. Cullen328 (talk) 02:36, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If your game goes public, and if it becomes so popular that people are publishing about it, then there is a chance that someone other than you will create an article about it. David notMD (talk) 03:37, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Writing about Childhood and Early Life

I am writing an article about Andrea Sheridan Ordin, who is already included in two existing wikipedia articles entitled, "List of first women lawyers and judges in California" and "United States District Court for the Central District of California." I am interviewing her personally and have reputable sources about her career notability, but I'm not sure how to write her "early life" section, since there are not many sources describing her childhood aside from her firsthand account. How to I write about her early life without secondary sources? Aharten97 (talk) 22:17, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Aharten97: It's not possible without reliable secondary published sources. For the policies, see WP:V. Personal notes from an interview are neither published nor reliable, and self-published statements are rarely reliable. If it's noteworthy it will have been published somewhere. If not then it isn't. -- zzuuzz (talk) 22:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
https://ethics.lacity.gov/news/murray-and-ordin-re-elected-as-ethics-commission-leaders/ provides some info for an Early life and education section. David notMD (talk) 04:24, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What to write on your talk page?

Above question HELSINKI!233 (talk) 22:32, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi and welcome, @HELSINKI!233. Your talk page is where other editors can leave messages for you or begin conversations with you. You can learn more at the guidelines for user pages. Schazjmd (talk) 22:37, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is not for chat, or your thoughts/opinions about stuff. Also, with a few exceptions, you are allowed to delete content from your Talk page, although some people prefer to archive older content instead. David notMD (talk) 04:19, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Citations about movies

I'm trying to improve The Lincoln Lawyer (film)

1) Is IMDB considered a good citation for the cast list, producer name, etc?

2) How do I add a citation to an existing infobox? (Visual or Source editor)

Many thanks

Ben (talk) 22:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi and welcome, @Littenberg. Imdb is not considered a reliable source because much of its information is user-generated. You can learn how to add citations at Easier Referencing for Beginners. Schazjmd (talk) 22:39, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you click on Edit at the top menu it allows you to edit the entire article, including the Infobox. David notMD (talk) 04:15, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How do I create a Wikipedia article

How do I create an article on Wikipedia? Красный Октябрь (talk) 23:12, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Здравствуйте, @Красный Октябрь, and welcome to the Teahouse. My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. ColinFine (talk) 23:33, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you help me learn how to make one? I want to make an article on the Kazan bombing that happened about a 1.5 week ago. Красный Октябрь (talk) 23:50, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Красный Октябрь, please be aware that the Russo-Ukrainian War is a designated contentious topic. You cannot write new content about that war until your account is Extended confirmed, which means the account is over a month old (it is) and has made over 500 constractive edits (you have a long way to go). Cullen328 (talk) 02:56, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Then can someone else make an article about it? Красный Октябрь (talk) 04:08, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Teahouse Hosts are here to advise, but not to be authors or co-authors. David notMD (talk) 04:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Who do I ask about it? Красный Октябрь (talk) 08:59, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Красный Октябрь, if you persist in discussing a designated contentious topic such as the Russo-Ukrainian War before you are extended confirmed, you may be blocked. So, please edit other topic areas until then. Cullen328 (talk) 09:16, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You could ask on Talk:Russo-Ukrainian War. Normally such talk pages are protected, but that one doesn't seem to be at this time. What might happen is that someone adds a paragraph about the incident to the existing article rather than create a new article.
I'll add that editors who aren't extended-confirmed generally aren't permitted to use the talk pages of such articles either, and I have always disagreed with this, mainly because constructive edit requests end up in WP:RFED, making extra work for administrators. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Why are padlocks not automatically added when an article is protected?

Sorry if this is the wrong place. Heyaaaaalol (talk) 02:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Heyaaaaalol Because an administrator needs to add a protection notice (the padlocks) to a page in order to show the padlock on pages. Sometimes the padlocks do not get placed on a page, especially if it's a user page, unless if the protection notice is placed by an administrator. NicePrettyFlower (talk) 03:35, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Heyaaaaalol, I have done some page protection myself. Usually when I apply protection, I wish to see the "padlock" icon applied. Sometimes when I use the protection script, I forget to click the toggle which leaves the padlock icon. In that case, there's a bot which usually fixes that mistake automatically. If you see a protected page without an icon, you might tell someone. Do our answers help? BusterD (talk) 03:44, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, @Heyaaaaalol. To actually answer your question: because nobody has implemented that function in the software. I don't know whether there is a technical reason for that, or whether it's just that nobody's got round to it. Questions about the software and user interface are better asked at the Village pump: either WP:VPT or WP:VPR ColinFine (talk) 13:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Heyaaaaalol: Protecting a page is a log action in the MediaWiki software which powers Wikipedia and thousands of other wikis. It does not make an edit to the page. Logs are separate from edits. Displaying a padlock with a link is a Wikipedia practice. We do it by editing the page and adding special code which places a padlock in the corner instead of the normal text area. Other wikis may use no or other symbols for protected pages, place them in other places, and make no or other links on them. A MediaWiki feature to automatically display a symbol on protected pages was recently added at phab:T12347 but it's disabled by default. I haven't examined how flexible it is but I guess it would be non-trivial for us to convert to using it when we already have a well-functioning system. There is so far only a single Wikimedia wiki which has set wgEnableProtectionIndicators to true in https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:08, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Multiple non-free album covers on one page

For the album Breakfast with Girls, there's an associated EP located at the section Brunch. The EP has an infobox but is currently without cover artwork, so I'm wondering if it's appropriate for the article to have another non-free image when one is already in use for the album's artwork. If not within free use, Brunch's artwork (seen here) is mostly text on a black background, so would I be allowed to crop out the non-text part and use that as a public domain text logo image in an infobox? Koopastar (talk) 04:50, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Koopastar, I do think that another cover would be within fair use. There's also been instances of this in the past like In Rainbows#In Rainbows Disk 2. Happy editing! Justiyaya 06:59, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

afd

I really like a certain article, but it's afd, if it is deleted, is there a way to still view it 🐢 (talk) 05:24, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

History checker SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 05:26, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If the article is still "public" currently, you can save a copy for yourself: Download as PDF (maybe see also Help:Export). Otherwise go to: CAT:RESTORE. --Slowking Man (talk) 06:14, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This appears to be about X11 color names, which has been in existance since 2003 and has been edited more than 700 times since then. While it is unlikely that it will be deleted, as noted, you can save a copy to your computer. David notMD (talk) 13:55, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hypothetically, could it be possible to write a netural autobiography?

Hypothetically, would it be possible for someone on Wikipedia to write a neutral autobiography of themselves? Showing the good and bad and making no favor to either side, providing proof and checking all of the boxes. How would that go and would it be accepted? What if say a Wikipedia administrator that is not really well known becomes for example the president of the US? Can they have oversight over their own article? Are they removed from their position? Can they no longer edit anything involving US politics due to their inherent bias? And finally has there been any real examples of this over the past 20+ years? SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 05:25, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, SimpleSubCubicGraph. Hypothetically, what you describe is possible but the president of the US example is implausible because credible candidates for that office would already be the subject of a Wikipedia article. More plausible would be a longtime editor elected to a state or provincial legislature. I see no reason why that person could not submit an autobiography through Articles for Creation with full disclosure, have the article accepted and continue as an editor or even as an administrator. They should certainly recuse from the current legislative affairs of their state or province but otherwise I would not see a broader problem. As for whether anything like that has ever happened, I do not know. Maybe another editor does. Cullen328 (talk) 06:49, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@SimpleSubCubicGraph welcome to the Teahouse! Interesting questions. I would say that while it is hypothetically possible, guidelines still strongly discourage creations of autobiographies and I haven't seen an instance of it being successful outside of early Wikipedia. This would have to go through articles for creation and the editor should declare their conflict of interest. Subjects do not have oversight of their own article.
I would argue that if someone is elected president of the US they would have a financial relationship with the federal government and should stay away from editing those topics. I think they would have potentially less of a conflict of interest with state governments and historical united states politics. I don't think one would be removed as an administrator because they are elected to a public office here. I don't know of any Wikipedian that has been elected. CongressEdits is probably the closest to an example of this. Justiyaya 06:46, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Succeeding at autobiography is more likely to occur in an area such as WP:NACADEMIC. A senior professor at a university would have as models articles about other professors at their university. David notMD (talk) 14:02, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The only time I recall a good autobiography being written was when the CEO of a small business wrote one, submitted it for review, and it was accepted after some minor revisions. So it is possible.
By now I've gained enough experience on Wikipedia that I could probably write a neutral biography about myself, but because I am not notable, there's no point. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:26, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
a) It would probably go over reasonably well, presuming they followed the Correct way to do that kind of thing: don't create your own bio article (meaning here the literal "creating a new page in Main namespace") and don't edit it directly but put up stuff on the Talk page for others to evaluate, revise, and put into the article if they decide.
b) No, no one "owns" articles and gets special "powers" over them. Since all Wikipedia content is "free as in freedom" you and anyone else can copy it put it up elsewhere and do whatever with the copies, as long as you credit the original creators.
c) Why would they get adminship removed if they haven't misused it?
d) They probably ought to stay away from US politics content yes, being rather WP:INVOLVED. Also realistically the POTUS is not going to have ample free time to devote to Wikipedia contributing, or to be inclined to devote what little precious free time they get to, doing more work.
e) Have a look at WP:List of Wikipedians with articles. --Slowking Man (talk) 17:26, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki page written by subject or friend of subject?

Hello, I saw a page on Wikipedia that looks like it was, based on the way it's presented, mostly written by the person who is the subject of the page, or a close friend. What is the standard flag or way to raise this on the page's talk page? Thank you for your help. FireBatV (talk) 08:05, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @FireBatV! Welcome to the Teahouse. The standard way is to tag the article with the Template:COI on the main article page. Alternatively, you can use Twinkle to tag it as well. TNM101 (chat) 12:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the help! I've added the {{Template:COI}} to the page in question (Rhett Ayers Butler) and as per the instructions on the template page I am have also added{{Connected contributor}} to the talk page, so editors can take it from there. Thank you again for the help and the friendly welcome, my issue has been resolved. FireBatV (talk) 21:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No problem! Feel free to reach out if you need any more help TNM101 (chat) 06:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Editing the Wikipedia page of "The crown"

i want to edit the Wikipedia page of "the crown" on netflix why i wont add the seventh season of "the crown" if you cant tell the staff at netflix please add aditional information like the royal wedding of prince william and kate Middleton and the queen involvement in the 2012 summer olympics in london england alongside James bond!!! 89.128.137.159 (talk) 14:08, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello IP Editor: there was no 7th season of The Crown, so your additions were inappropriate and were removed. Please don't add fake information to Wikipedia. qcne (talk) 14:18, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
False information is vandalism, which if continued can lead to your IP address being blocked and any account your subsequently register being blocked. David notMD (talk) 15:20, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Look for verified information about future seasons. This isn't forums and speculations. Cwater1 (talk) 20:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The show button doesn't work on phone

Hi. Some articles have this dialouge box on top of them. But when we touch the show button on phone (Chrome for Android for me), nothing happens. I don't know about desktop. Aminabzz (talk) 15:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What is an example of such an article? What happens when you use the Wikipedia app? Does it work then? ~Anachronist (talk) 16:21, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, @Aminabzz, and welcome to the Teahouse.
I agree. If I look at Amathus, I get that box (from template {{expand language}}) at the top, but on a browser on my Android phone, when I pick "Show" it replaces the word "Show" with "Hide", but doesn't expand the box, so I can't see additional information.
However, the box has a "Learn more" button, and if I pick that it shows me a little more, but not the full information that I see on my browser on a computer.
This looks like a bug in the user interface: WP:VPT is a better place to ask/report such things than here, and I suggest you post there. Thank you for pointing it out. ColinFine (talk) 18:04, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I note that I cannot find any of these problems when I use the Wikipedia app. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:59, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How to find the full form of abbreviations on phone?

Hi. On Wikipedia, some abbreviation words have dotline underlines. When we hover the mouse cursor on them on PC we can see the full form. For example, TBA reveals to be "to be announced".

But on mobile phones (Chrome for Android for me) there is no mouse so that we hover the cursor on them! So how can we find the full form of abbreviations on these dotline-underlined words in cellphones? Holding the word doesn't work.

Look at this for seeing the dotlines. Aminabzz (talk) 15:40, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That's one of the limitations of using a smartphone as a browser. There is no notion of "hover". I have seen hovering implemented in some Samsung phones, in which holding your finger near to the screen without touching it is sensed as a hover, but this worked only in certain apps and wasn't a universal experience across all apps on the phone. Unless someone has a better answer, I'd say that features reliant on hovering are generally not accessible on smartphones. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:16, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Samsung devices with S Pen support actually support "hover" by well, hovering the S Pen close to the display. The display has an "active digitizer" that can sense the Pen with NFC. Shows a little cursor and pops up stuff and you can hit the Pen's button to do things, very neat actually. ...Buuuut still doesn't work for the abbr stuff in browsers because it's handled differently in the system software (as it's not "really a mouse", it's handled by different code) and so doesn't "pass through" a mouse hover event down to the browser software. Shucks. --Slowking Man (talk) 17:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oh yeah this is a known problem for years. Abbr and friends use the standard HTML tags for such things, and browsers don't gaf apparently about making them "work" when there's no pointing device (mouse), and the attitude appears to be ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. WP could implement some sort of JavaScript "workaround" that pops up a thing, but, that requires deploying something "globally" site-wide and that is a Big Deal so it needs Official approval: ask around at WP:VPT whether there's any effort in this direction. (FYI templates can't have JavaScript, it needs to be JS to "dynamically" add new page elements and display them)
In the meantime the "workaround" is to hit edit and look at the wikitext. Or you could also view the page HTML source and use the browser's "find" to go to the abbreviation which will show its definition. Also also there might be some userscript someone has made to make it pop up, which you can "install" to use while logged-in. (You could also always plug in a mouse/trackpad/etc or connect a wireless one ) --Slowking Man (talk) 17:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Aminabzz, Anachronist, and Slowking Man: I couldn't find any such script, so I made it. JJPMaster (she/they) 05:08, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Is this something that needs to be deployed in the Wikipedia software, or is it something that a user can add to vector.js? ~Anachronist (talk) 15:52, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Anachronist: The latter. JJPMaster (she/they) 17:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Aminabzz: Well, JJP has a solution for you, but it requires that you be logged into Wikipedia to take advantage of it. Me, I use the Wikipedia app for reading Wikipedia on my phone, and I never encountered a "hover" situation in that app. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:58, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

GA Spotcheck

Apparently I might've misunderstood what is needed for a source spotcheck in a good article review. Could someone please explain what is needed? History6042😊 (Contact me) 15:53, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Appears that at Wikipedia talk:Good article nominations, date 1/1/25, there has been a question raised about GA nomination reviews conducted by History60432. David notMD (talk) 17:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that is why I am asking. History6042😊 (Contact me) 17:09, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@History6042, note 2 on the Wikipedia:Good article criteria page explains source checking. If you're concerned that your interpretation isn't in line with the community's, you might find it helpful to discuss with other editors involved with the good article process at Wikipedia talk:Good article nominations. Schazjmd (talk) 17:33, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
So it means Verifiable with no original research:
it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline;
reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose);
it contains no original research; and
it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism? History6042😊 (Contact me) 19:25, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The note says "Ideally, a reviewer will have access to all of the source material, and sufficient expertise to verify that the article reflects the content of the sources; this ideal is not often attained. At a minimum, check that the sources used are reliable (for example, blogs are not usually reliable sources) and that those you can access support the content of the article (for example, inline citations lead to sources that agree with what the article says) and are not plagiarized (for example, close paraphrasing of source material should only be used where appropriate, with in-text attribution if necessary)." Schazjmd (talk) 20:40, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Okay I think i did that but do I just need to like write it down? History6042😊 (Contact me) 21:06, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Saying in your review what you checked is helpful. Perhaps read through this discussion on spot checks. You might also find it useful to read through some GA reviews by experienced reviewers, see what they're doing in their written reviews that you can learn from. Schazjmd (talk) 21:47, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. History6042😊 (Contact me) 00:39, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Creating an article heavily lacking sources :/

I've been working on trying create an article (Draft:Millennium Force's effects) but I've run into some issues; including after initial submission. The only sources I can find are mainly from various YouTube videos (not tied to the subject) and very few separate links; so it's no wonder why it wasn't accepted.

So I know what I've written down is true, but I don't have the secondary sources to prove it and that makes my info Original Research. What can I do? I was told I could try another Wiki (ex: Amusement Park Wiki) but is there anything I can do to keep it on Wikipedia? Thanks! Therguy10 (talk) 16:49, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Therguy10 Welcome to theTeahouse. I'm afraid not. Reliable sources are fundamental to Wikipedia articles. See WP:42. Shantavira|feed me 18:01, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, @Therguy10. I agree with Shantavira. Please see also No amount of editing can overcome a lack of notability ColinFine (talk) 18:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Shantavira @ColinFine Thank you both! I do believe that the article has potential in the future, but I also understand it isn't notable enough as of now. With the article being a history of a subject, there is older information that I fear may not be written about. My hope is that the new changes made this year were important enough to spark some kind of interest for a source; I'll have to wait and see. Therguy10 (talk) 18:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
well i guess technically the changes were made last year...lol Therguy10 (talk) 18:14, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If you can find reliable sources, why not improve the Ride experience section of Millennium Force? Schazjmd (talk) 18:27, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That was a strong consideration of mine. I certainly won't be able to fit everything inside of the main article but it might not hurt to add a little more than what I already have there. Once again my biggest issue would be collecting sources; this seems more doable. Thanks! Therguy10 (talk) 18:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How do i delete a Wikepedia page?

a school has a wikepedia page, (carlisle public schools) i have moved the page to inside the town page (carlisle masssachusetts) so how do i delete the old school page? it is useless (i moveed the page because it contains about only 1 paragraph, so why not make it a section) so yeah, if someone knows how to delete a page, please delete Carlisle Public Schools

how to find page - go to the education part of carlisle, massachusetts, press carlisle public schools, and you will be there. Theawezomefriend12 (talk) 19:39, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Carlisle Public Schools is an article. If you believe it should be deleted, the process is to nominate it for deletion via the WP:AFD process. What you added to Carlisle, Massachusetts was rightfully deleted because you did not include any references. See Maynard, Massachusetts for an example of a referenced education section. I was going to point you to Acton or Sudbury, but those have unreferenced content. There is also Concord-Carlisle High School, but that has its own problems. David notMD (talk) 20:02, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, Thanks! Theawezomefriend12 (talk) 20:30, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Theawezomefriend12: I'm going to offer some slightly different advice. For a small article in this situation: First copy the relevant text to the target article (the article about the town). If there are no references then be sure to add one or some. See WP:CWW for the correct process, if you are moving any text. Once that has been successfully done, turn the former article (the school district) into a redirect to the town as you did previously. There is no need to actually delete anything: redirects are useful for people trying to find things, such as information about Carlisle Public Schools, and can be safely left behind. -- zzuuzz (talk) 21:12, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the advice, i will remove the deletion (i dont know if thats possible i am new) and make the page redierect to Carlisle, Massachusetts. Theawezomefriend12 (talk) 21:30, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Theawezomefriend12: I've helped a bit with the deletion part. The best way to learn is to just do things, so I'll leave you to continue the process (and will probably pop back in a bit). I'll just mention that it appears that the only reason your previous attempt was reverted was because you didn't include any references for the content you were adding/moving to the town article. Sufficient references probably exist in the district article so they can just be copied. If not, I'm sure they won't be difficult to find. -- zzuuzz (talk) 21:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
oh ok, i am propably going to be moving the main description and the new gallery part i added, i probably will not be added refrences and external links. Theawezomefriend12 (talk) 21:45, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! PARIS

Good morning, good afternoon or good evening. Happy new year 2025. Please how to move to the main space the Draft:Hi! PARIS. This research center in AI is now one of the most important in France : https://www.lesechos.fr/tech-medias/intelligence-artificielle/une-dotation-de-70-millions-pour-la-formation-de-lelite-de-lia-en-france-2096150 and https://www.lemondeinformatique.fr/actualites/lire-hec-et-l-institut-polytechnique-remportent-l-appel-a-projets-cluster-ia-93818.html. Many thanks in advance for your help. Have a great day. 2A01:CB00:B48:9900:1C67:231F:4C2F:9933 (talk) 21:57, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

On the AoPS Wiki go to special:move. I don't know bout wikipedia tho 73.31.42.97 (talk) 22:22, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry its Special:MovePage 73.31.42.97 (talk) 22:23, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Bonsoir, IP user.
73. is right that the technique for moving pages is to use the Move function (though most people do it from their user-interface, rather than going to Special:MovePage.
However, not logged in users do not have access to that function.
I was going to advise you to submit it for review. However, I see that the draft was created in mainspace user BobVillars (since blocked for sockpuppetry) was then moved to Draft space by @Rosguill, was submitted for review by an ipV6 user in the same range as you, then moved to main space again by McSyl, also blocked as a sockpuppet of BobVillars, and moved back to draft space again by @Janhrach.
Neither you nor anybody else has since made any substantial edits to the draft.
I am finding it very difficult to assume good faith. I will ask you directly: are you BobVillars/McSyl? If so, you are evading your block, which is not permitted. ColinFine (talk) 22:59, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Colin. Thanks for your answer. I don’t know what you are talking about. I am using 5G access so my Ip range is used by million of users. But if it is too complicated no worries, please cancel my request. This AI cluster is one of the most important in France and one of the biggest in Europe. So soon or later it will be back to mainspace. Have a great day. 2A01:CB06:B064:82B5:2C9D:5034:3AC5:1BD4 (talk) 06:21, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

AoPS page

Why isn't there a page for Art of Problem Solving? 73.31.42.97 (talk) 22:15, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi IP 73.31.42.97. There could be a couple reasons why: (1) nobody thought enough about the book/series to try and create one; or (2) somebody did try to create one, but the subject wasn't deemed to meet Wikipedia:Notability (books) and was either deleted altogether or added to Richard Rusczyk. Art of Problem Solving current WP:REDIRECTs to the "Rusczyk" article and its page history shows that there once was a stand-alone article about the book/series, but it was "redirected" per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Art of Problem Solving (2nd nomination). If you feel something has changed since then, you might want to first explain why to the administrator who closed the Articles for Deletion discussion. That administrator's name is Liz. Perhaps by asking at User talk:Liz, Liz can tell you what is needed for the article to be recreated or restored. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:30, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Where is Wikipedia year in review for iOS?

I am looking for Wikipedia year in review in iOS where is it? 172.59.25.192 (talk) 22:18, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to the Teahouse, IP user. This isn't something I'm familiar with, but a Google search yields this link which I hope gives you what you seek: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/New_Engagement_Experiments/PES_1.3.1:_Wikipedia_insights. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 01:56, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How to find vandalism on Wikipedia?

The closest thing I have found to vandalism is on the page for the number 3, where someone changed references to “3” with “2.” I’m wondering how to find vandalism, so I can revert it. Most of my edits are fixing grammar. Thank you. Heyaaaaalol (talk) 00:18, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Heyaaaaalol Welcome to the Teahouse. If you'd care to read WP:VANDALISM, and especially the section linked from this shortcut: (WP:SPOTVAN), you should have all the answers you need. Monitoring 'Recent Changes' is the best way to spot ongoing vandalism, and you can choose to select only certain types of edits which highlight the most likely problematic edits for you to assess and respond to, and ignore all the honest ones. Thank you for your interest in helping out in this field. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 01:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Go to the “recent changes” link and there are filter options you can select. What you’ll want to do is choose “likely bad faith”, “very likely bad faith”, and “latest revision”. Then save that filter as your default. Grimaceshakeohio (talk) 04:35, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"Series of small edits"

I find it difficult to follow and review edits for valid constructive contributions when an editor makes a "series of small edits" (example: 1, 2, 3) where several of the edits could, IMHO, easily and conceivably be made in a single edit with a single edit summary encompassing all of what is edited. Is there policy or guidelines about this practice that could help me in a talk page discussion I am currently engaged in? Iljhgtn (talk) 00:23, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well, there's WP:Cautious, which touches on not making too large edits. There is probably better material than this, but I can't find it.
The point has been discussed on the Help/Teahouse desks before, and various editors have said that more smaller edits are better than one all-encompassing one, because if only one or two of several small edits are objected to, they can be reverted individually, but if they're part of a larger edit the whole thing has to be reverted and then it becomes difficult to sort out which details are accepted and which disputed.
I myself, when reading an article for its content, sometimes make small edits as I go along on noticing typos, misspellings, incorrect grammar, etc. If I were to be deliberately setting out to copyedit the article (I used to be a professional editor) I would likely make them in larger batches, perhaps one per Section or Subsection (basically, as often as [edit] is present in the text), because that makes for a smaller and easier chunk (with all its confusing reference codings) to navigate in the edit box.
In general, I don't think an editor making good-faith edits need think primarily of the convenience of some hypothetical would-be reverter, and I wouldn't criticise anyone for making successive small edits. Were the edits to smell of some deliberate obfustication as a cover for vandalism, or edit-count inflation, it would be another matter. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.84.253 (talk) 02:11, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Small or a series isn't the issue really. It is that several of the edits could fall under a single edit summary, and therefore could be made as one. I am curious about this comment though, "Were the edits to smell of some deliberate obfustication as a cover for vandalism, or edit-count inflation, it would be another matter", because that is kind of what I think is the heart of the matter. How can you differentiate between the two if we are not allowed to scrutinize editing behavior which is a mix perhaps of both lots of small, with some more impactful edits laced in there? Iljhgtn (talk) 14:33, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The key being the "lots of small" could just as easily be one edit under one edit summary, and then more larger or more substantive edits separately under another. If the "lots of small edits" are all broken into separate edits, for me at least, it makes it harder to check on someone's editing in the first place to determine IF there is in fact a case of real vandalism, deliberate edit-count inflation, or some other intended obfuscation. Iljhgtn (talk) 14:35, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You can differentiate because if it is a cover for vandalism, you can point out the vandalism. Edit-count inflation these days is mostly people trying to game their way to extended confirmed status - the edits you point out here are from an editor who already has that status. There's no policy against editing this way - this editor isn't doing anything wrong.
If you want to examine a set of contiguous edits at once, you can get a multi-edit diff by using the radio buttons on the history page of the article in question. MrOllie (talk) 14:40, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Understood, and no accusation of vandalism has been levied, but if several edits could be made under a single edit summary, is there any policy that they should be? That is really the essence of my question. Iljhgtn (talk) 14:43, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There is not. Schazjmd (talk) 14:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ok. Thank you for answering my question then. Iljhgtn (talk) 14:56, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
How isn't that benign? Is there an issue with the individual edits? My editing tends to match my own writing (on non-Wikipedia, Word, etc.): dump a bunch of text, and make then increasingly granular refining edits. -- Very Polite Person (talk) 00:37, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Political Party Relations

Just like how we have Category:Sign language family tree templates, should we have that for political parties kind of like below but for whole countries? These would be based on the infobox political party preceded by/succeeded by/merger of/merged into. If so would these be their own article or would they be in the many "List of political parties in ___"? I am curious and want to know if these are wanted/needed.

SPD
Spartacus League
KPD
SED
PDSWASG
Die Linke
BSW

History6042😊 (Contact me) 00:39, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi History6042, that's an interesting idea, you might want to pitch this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Politics. Justiyaya 03:23, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I'll do that, thanks. History6042😊 (Contact me) 03:27, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Freedom of Panorama Inquiries

This is regarding the article Liliget Feast House. The site where the restaurant once stood was torn down 2008, and I wanted to inquire regarding the best way to navigate Fair Use and Freedom of Panorama rules on Wikipedia in order to get photographs of the site on the page. This is probably best asked on Commons, but I'm not familiar with where I might be able to ask on there either. Ornithoptera (talk) 02:19, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Ornithoptera. I think you can take a picture of the where the restaurant once stood and upload it here, which should be fine under Freedom of panorama#Canada which also allows incidental inclusion of copyrighted, non-architectural work (also commons:COM:FOP Canada). You would still be able to release a photograph that you took of publicly viewable buildings under a free license.
If you are asking about whether an inclusion of a non free file is allowed, I'm not sure but I think that it meets all the criteria seeing that the building was demolished and if a suitable free photo cannot be located. Justiyaya 05:48, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Justiyaya, thank you so much for your time! Truthfully I'm uncertain about using a photograph of where the restaurant once stood because it would be irrelevant to the content of the article (or at least for the intended use within the infobox). I am more asking about if I am able to use a non free file, yes, is there a venue where I can have a conversation with individuals who are more familiar with the matter? I'm not entirely sure if there is a relevant noticeboard/talk page/etc where I can bring this matter up with, if you or one of the editors here know one do let me know! Ornithoptera (talk) 05:52, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Ornithoptera I think it would be a good use of an non-free file. Wikipedia:Media copyright questions would be a relevant noticeboard for asking these types of questions. Commons won't be the place to go because they don't deal with non-free stuff. Hope this helps and happy editing! :D Justiyaya 06:06, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wonderful! Thank you so much for the assistance Justiyaya, didn't know there was a place like that! I'll go and send them a message hopefully within the week, I hope you have a wonderful day! Ornithoptera (talk) 07:03, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Why am I blocked from doing stuff on Russian Wikipedia?

According to my global account information I've been indefinitely blocked from doing anything other than viewing the Russian Wikipedia because I'm "using multiple accounts or having others promote me (so what I say is seen more correct)", but I'm not? I don't know anyone else with a Wikipedia account and as far as I know I only have one. It's just on the Russian Wikipedia, none of the others. I haven't really done anything on the Russian Wikipedia anyways. I've only edited my own user page. Why did this happen and how do I fix it?

More information: The exact stated reason was обход блокировки (bypass blocking) and it linked here. It also gave me a link to here. Красный Октябрь (talk) 04:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Красный Октябрь, welcome to the teahouse. English and Russian Wikipedia are moderated differently, so a block there should not affect editing here nor could the community here fix anything there. From what I've been able to see with google translate and all, it appears that you've been checkuser blocked by @Q-bit array without email or talk page access. The administrator appears to monitor cross wiki notifications so hopefully they would respond here. They also appear to monitor meta:User talk:Q-bit array. Usually appeals without talk page access go through WP:UTRS but I can't seem to find a similar system in ru-wiki. Justiyaya 05:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Красный Октябрь, the English Wikipedia and the Russian Wikipedia are entirely separate projects. Each has its own policies and guidelines, and its own separate teams of administrators. Here at the Teahouse, we can do our best to help you with problems you may have on the English Wikipedia. But we have no knowledge, power nor influence over the Russian Wikipedia, which is an autonomous project. Cullen328 (talk) 08:38, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Do you know where I can go on the Russian Wikipedia to get it fixed? Красный Октябрь (talk) 14:22, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hello again, @Красный Октябрь I think the relevant section is ru:ВП:РАЗБЛОК. ColinFine (talk) 15:24, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I went through the whole section you linked and it gives me instructions to request an unblock but I can't because I can't access my talk page or edit my user page. I can't find other ways to contact the person who blocked me as well. Красный Октябрь (talk) 16:30, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If there is no off-wiki means of contacting Russian Wikipedia administrators, I think you will need to contact a steward(https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stewards) who may at least be able to advise you better than we can. 331dot (talk) 16:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! Красный Октябрь (talk) 17:12, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I messaged one of the stewards here. Thank you for helping me find where to ask! Красный Октябрь (talk) 17:44, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Responding to the "why did this happen" aspect, the most likely explanation is that your IP at the time you edited your userpage is similar to or within a range used by someone evading blocks on ru.wiki around the same time. Either that, or a more random human error on the blocking admin's part. signed, Rosguill talk 16:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Notice of geological updates

Hi, in the past few months, I was working on pages regarding the periods, ages and other units of the geological timescale, and noticed a recent update in the ICC Chronostratigraphic Chart (2024/12), compared to the previous version (2023/09), that affects the time boundaries of a lot of ages. I didn't know which talk page or portal I could specifically notify of this change, so I came here to speak about it.

Now, I don't want to linger on a change like this here, since that feels like advertising which I KNOW Wikipedia is not about (see WP:SOAPBOX). But I know a change like this is going to require a lot of edits to catch up with, and I for sure can't do it alone. So does anyone know a good project/portal page I can discuss this more on? — Alex26337 (talk) 05:05, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Alex26337, thank you for your question. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Geology would be the best venue to discuss this. I don't think this is soapbox like if you are advertising on-Wiki collaboration. The policy refers to more so advertising on Wiki things off-wiki. Discussions with other community members that share the same interest is what these Wikiprojects are for :D Justiyaya 05:58, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Request to Update Image

I noticed that the current image used at Dadvan Yousuf is from 2021, but there are more recent images from 2024 available on Wikimedia Commons.

I kindly request an extended-confirmed user to review and consider updating the image to "Dadvan Yousuf with Kurdistan Flag.jpg", Image is from recent - i dont recommend the images with the bitcoin flag.

Thanks.. Ayohama (talk) 07:44, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Ayohama, welcome to the teahouse! Although the image File:Dadvan Yousuf with Kurdistan Flag.jpg is more recent, I don't think it provides the same quality and clarity as the image currently in the article. I don't think this change should be made. Justiyaya 07:53, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, thanks for the solid feedback! fully understood Ayohama (talk) 07:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Ayohama: I'd hold off in trying to use File:Dadvan Yousuf with Kurdistan Flag.jpg or any of the other images of Yousuf uploaded to Commons by Lonely34 until the claims of "own work" can be verified by c:COM:VRT. All the images that were uploaded by Lonely34 can be found being used online on sites like X, Facebook, Instagram, etc, from May 2024 onward prior to their being uploaded to Commons, some even with watermarks. This doesn't necessarily mean they weren't taken by Lonely34, but the general licensing of those sites is too restrictive for Commons per c:COM:L and in such cases copyright holder consent needs to be verified. If the licensing of any or all of those images ends up being verified, you can add them to the body of the Wikipedia article about Yousuf if you want but probably should propose changing the infobox image on the article's talk page to see what others think. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:30, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ayohama, even if the issues that Marchjuly describes can be ironed out, I would oppose the use of the image that you are proposing for the infobox. That is a mountaineering summit style photo, and this person is not a notable mountaineer even if he paid a lot of money to climb the standard tourist route on Mount Everest with the help of Sherpa guides. He is a cryptocurrency investor not a serious mountaineer and it is not appropriate to portray business people with golf clubs or tennis rackets in their hands. Or flags on mountain tops. This is not 1952 and rich people climbing Everest is not a notable accomplishment these days. Cullen328 (talk) 08:56, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
One of the references used to verify the claim about him climbing Everest says (in English translation) I had never climbed a mountain before, Everest was my first. This is not indicative of a serious mountaineer but rather a rich person willing and able to pay actual Sherpa mountaineers to help him get to the top for publicity purposes. Cullen328 (talk) 09:07, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Although it doesnt seem to be that easy for me to climb everest as it seems for you. I think its still very dangerous and a notable achievement Ayohama (talk) 09:21, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with you Ayohama (talk) 09:20, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the hint, i thought the Metadata is correct Ayohama (talk) 09:27, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Ayohama: The uploader or someone else has emailed Commons VRT regarding these files and is currently being processed by VRT. Assuming things check out, the c:Template:Permission received added to each file's page will be changed to c:Template:PermissionTicket by the VRT member reviewing the email. Once this happens, the files will be fine from a copyright standpoint; so, in principle, they're OK to be used. From an encyclopedic standpoint, though, things might still need to be sorted out on the article's talk page, particularly if others feel (like expressed above) that they shouldn't be used in the main infobox. One representative image in the body of the article should, however, be OK. -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:07, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Was thinking after our conversations, the infobox is not the right place there. MAYBE at Personal life, where context is about Everest is fine. Max Ayohama (talk) 10:10, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
According to List of Mount Everest summiters by frequency, more than 6,000 people have summited Everest (as of 2022), so agree that if any placement at all, then at Personal life. David notMD (talk) 11:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
And the record for a non-Sherpa (actually an Englishman) is 18 (exceeded by 9 individual Sherpas). {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.84.253 (talk) 05:40, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Lonely34 claims of "own work" are now verified by c:COM:VRT. If you want, you can go ahead and place the File:Dadvan Yousuf with Kurdistan Flag.jpg under "Personal Life". I guess the article itself is interesting to work on in the future- the tone is sometimes too promotional and the text layout weird- Reads like a chronology rather then a WP Article. Ayohama (talk) 13:39, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Help with improving references and notability for Eugene Vollmer draft

Hello! I submitted a draft for Eugene Vollmer but it was declined because the references didn't show significant coverage. Could anyone assist me in finding reliable sources or improving my draft to meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines? I appreciate any guidance! Sammy Tremlinn (talk) 08:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sammy Tremlinn, your draft fails to make the case that Vollmer is a truly notable athlete, although it seems that he was once highly ranked in an amateur track and field event in a country of less than a million residents. At first glance, that does not seem to be a plausible claim of notability to me. But I could be wrong. In the end, it is all about whether or not multiple indisputably reliable sources independent of Vollmer have devoted significant coverage to him. Your current sources are not independent of Vollmer and therefore do not meet that threshold. Cullen328 (talk) 09:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the feedback, Cullen328. I understand the importance of independent and significant coverage for establishing notability. I will work on finding additional sources that meet these criteria and provide substantial information about Eugene Vollmer's achievements. If you have any suggestions for where I might look or types of sources to prioritize, I’d greatly appreciate it! Sammy Tremlinn (talk) 10:01, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
List of newspapers in Fiji might be a starting point: many of those entities are likely to be Reliable sources. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.84.253 (talk) 05:48, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

New page

Hello, I was thinking of making a new page about the New Zealand retail company PB Technologies, but I think I'll be going in too far over my head if I start it myself, so I was wondering where I could propose the Idea so that I could join forces with a more experienced Wikipedian to make the page a reality. Sup3rG33k08 (talk) 08:51, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. You can go to Requested articles, but it is backlogged to the point of uselessness, any request you make there will likely not be acted on for some time, if ever. You are wise to be cautious in attempting to create a new article, but if you want to see one created, it likely won't happen unless you do it yourself. You can use the Article Wizard to create and submit a draft for review by more experienced editors. You would first need to gather independent reliable sources to summarize in an article, and review the definition of a notable business to see if this business meets it(most do not).
If you are associated with this business, that needs to be disclosed, see WP:COI and WP:PAID. 331dot (talk) 10:05, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Articles about companies need to comply with WP:NCORP and call for attention to being neutral point of view, not in any way promotional. Teahouse Hosts are here to advise, not to be coauthors. David notMD (talk) 12:09, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Adding unnumbered tracks to an upcoming album

Hello,

This artist has been teasing some track titles (and snippets) from their upcoming album, So Close To What. Some titles are speculated, some were directly teased and are confirmed. How would I go about adding those tracks, assuming I don't know their numbers? The album has a Spotify countdown page, so the two pre-released singles have already been added in track list format. Lashyurn (talk) 10:39, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lashyurn, I read that this album "scheduled to be released on February 21, 2025". I suggest that you simply wait until February 21, 2025. -- Hoary (talk) 12:24, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, that's fine. I was just following what I saw was done with SZA's LANA 10 days prior to its release. Thank you! :) Lashyurn (talk) 12:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Lashyurn, in that article, there were reliable sources that reported on the teasers for the singles. If that is the case for this album, I think a mention in the Promotion section could be nice. Things that are not being reported on by reliable, independent sources or are pure speculation are usually not included here, especially if they are self published or original research. Feel free to drop sources here for us to take a look :D Justiyaya 12:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
These are my sources (and titles):
"Dear god" - Played at listening party and posted snippets on TikTok
"Revolving door" - Played at listening party and posted snippets on TikTok
"Moments" - Title posted on her management's Instagram as a collaboration with Spotify on December 13, 2024
"Greenlight" - Played at listening party and title shown in album trailer
"Star child" - Title shown at the beginning of the "It's ok I'm ok" music video
Would these sources be considered reliable? I have links/pictures/videos to each of those Lashyurn (talk) 13:03, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately none of those are secondary sources, @Lashyurn. What we're looking for is mainstream music journalists who are reporting on the album. qcne (talk) 17:35, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I thought I could take them from the artist themselves. Thank you! I'll wait until release. Lashyurn (talk) 18:00, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No, sources from the person that the article is about are considered primary sources. Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 22:02, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I suggest to wait till release too Ayohama (talk) 13:33, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

English Version of the German Article Judith Kakon

Hello there, I just want to create the same article in english, I already created this article in german, all I want is to have a translated version. Could you please help me? My request was already denied twice. This is the german article: Judith Kakon. Avaa Malula (talk) 14:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Avaa Malula It appears as if German Wikipedia has the same concerns as English Wikipedia; that the article does not sufficiently prove its subject's notability. Please read WP:YFA and WP:42. CommissarDoggoTalk? 14:30, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draft:Judith Kakon has no references. The content that is now under a description of her approach to art (my wording) comes across as either your or her description. All of this should be deleted unless it can be referenced to published descriptions of her and her work. David notMD (talk) 14:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hey @Avaa Malula
It’s great that you’re interested in contributing to the English Wikipedia by translating an article. However, there are a few things to consider to ensure the article meets the standards required on the English Wikipedia:
1. Improving the Original Article: The German article you created currently has notices indicating issues with missing citations and important information about the subject’s works. These issues suggest that the article may not yet meet Wikipedia's notability and verifiability standards. Before translating the article, it’s a good idea to improve it by:
- Adding reliable and independent sources that demonstrate Judith Kakon's notability.
- Including details about her important works or achievements.
2. Meeting English Wikipedia Standards: The English Wikipedia has specific requirements for biographies. It’s important to:
- Demonstrate notability according to the General Notability Guideline (WP:GNG).
- Provide inline citations from reliable sources to back up claims.
- Write in a neutral tone without promotional language.
3. Translation Guidelines: When translating articles, you must include a note on the article’s talk page to credit the original German version. See the Wikipedia:Translation guidelines for details on how to do this properly.
4. Steps to Resubmit: Once you’ve improved the content and addressed the above points:
- Draft the translated article in your sandbox.
- Add sources that meet English Wikipedia’s standards.
- Submit it for review through the Articles for Creation (AfC) process.
If you need help improving the article or drafting it in English, feel free to ask here. Ayohama (talk) 07:53, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Last aired date in the future

This article revison SAS: Rogue Heroes revison of 02:04, 2 January 2025 has a last aired date for series 2 which is in the future. What is probably meant is that the last episode is scheduled for broadcast on that date, but as it was worded it is factually incorrect. I've seen this on other such articles in the past. Has there been any discussions about wether this is acceptible or not? If so, can you direct me to any official decisions? Dubidub (talk) 14:49, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:FUTURE - Specifically, see the section NOTCRYSTALBALL, which states that Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Articles should not speculate on future events unless they are verifiable and sourced. The correct phrasing should reflect that the episode is "scheduled to air" on that date to maintain accuracy and neutrality. Ayohama (talk) 07:45, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How do I clean up formatting of tables?

On the Columbia University article, the Rankings section has quite poor formatting; the ranking tables are being displayed fully below the Library and Barnard images on the right side. How would I go about cleaning up table formatting in wikitext to remove the large blank gap? Doawk7 (talk) 21:13, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I solved it by removing those images:) DMacks (talk) 07:38, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How to ask ArbCom to lower protection status on Armenia-Azerbaijan

I was going to submit an ArbCom request to lower protection of Armenia-Azerbaijan due to the conflict cooling and amends being made, however I changed my mind and decided to ask here first. How would I get the Arbitration Committee or whoever imposed the sanction on Ar-Az to hear on the matter? SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 00:21, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Referencing an article on Wikipedia

I am reviewing an article and came across a source that cited another article from Wikipedia. This is the first time I have seen this. This isn’t acceptable is it? BigChrisKenney (talk) 00:35, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @BigChrisKenney. You are correct. Sources that lead to Wikipedia or any Wikimedia project are unreliable. See WP:CIRCULAR. Tarlby (t) (c) 01:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you @Tarlby for the speedy reply and the direction to the exact policy! BigChrisKenney (talk) 01:43, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You can jsut delete the ref to a Wikipedia article, but a better practice would be to look within that Wikipedia article to find a ref (refs) that support the content, and then copy those refs to the article you have concerns about. If you do this, in your Edit summary consider stating that you copied content from - naming the source article. Wikipedia does allow copying content and refs from Wikipedia articles with attribution. David notMD (talk) 14:17, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Writer or Screenwriter?

Quick question: creating a stub-starter on Donald Ross: [5] who was a television screenwriter, celebrity game show panelist (with his wife Patti Deutsch) and producer. Since there are other Donald Ross articles, would you accompanying his name with (writer) or (screenwriter) for the published article? He has no distinguishing middle name / initial. Deutsch's article refers to him as "comedy screenwriter and playwright", but Ross never wrote any plays. TIA. Maineartists (talk) 02:16, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Maineartists, "Donald Ross (writer)" seems OK to me. -- Hoary (talk) 03:50, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
(writer) seems OK to me too Ayohama (talk) 07:23, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Great. Thanks all. Maineartists (talk) 13:47, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What is the opinion on wikipedia writing services?

How would I detect if an article has been secretly written and paid for? There are services that you can reach just by searching on google and I would like to know if there are any ways to detect them or do something about them. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 04:32, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! If there is an editor who might be paid and performing edits, raise the issue at WP:ANI or WP:COIN noticeboards. If there are any private details you have found about the editor or services, please send an email to paid-en-wp@wikipedia.org . TNM101 (chat) 05:24, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, SSCG, did you have any specific articles in mind? I would say that there are heuristics I know of, but there's nothing definitive overall. Heustics I've identified for undisclosed paid/COI include (please do not use any of these to make definitive accusations; these observations are potential starting points, not endpoints):
  • The article has an image of an otherwise obscure person which is usually marked as "own work". This image is posed, not candid, indicating that either the subject themself uploaded it or they've given it to somebody else to use as effectively a PR photo on Wikipedia. Some subjects presumably will enthusiastically freely license their image even when they have no part in an article because they're just jazzed to have their own article, but what can be really suspect is when the uploader of the image is the same editor who created and/or has heavily edited the article itself.
  • The article was already very long, well-formatted, and essentially complete right out of the gate. For new editors, sometimes articles after going through the draft process can come out looking alright, but these edits skip the draft process altogether yet still seem like they've been written out ahead of time off-site. Whereas I take an incremental approach to my writing, experienced editors very often will pre-write everything out in their sandbox and then transfer their work into the article space once they're happy with it, but in my experience, this is highly uncommon for newer editors who organically create articles about subjects they're interested in.
  • The article was created or heavily modified by a WP:SPA, which seemingly has not interacted elsewhere on Wikipedia.
  • The editor tries to wikilink this article absolutely everywhere they possibly can once it's created, presumably for a mix of SEO and for drawing as many eyes to that subject as possible on-wiki.
  • The article is mostly primary references, and a lot of it is WP:PUFFERY. For companies, a dead giveaway for something like this is when there's an entire section on some stupid PR BS the company did which is only cited to press releases from that company about what a great thing(TM) they did. Basically, consider WP:DUE.
  • The article goes into excruciating depth about a subject (sometimes this is just fans being fans, but for example, there was one some years ago about a Lithuanian(?) alt-rock band whose primary editor I thought to be just an overly enthusiastic fan but who I discovered was secretly the band's manager or something to that effect).
  • The 'External links' section contains an inordinate amount of links to social media (this one to me generally indicates that it's autobiographical, whereas I assume you specifically want contracted third parties).
  • The editor has a username-violating policy which indicates they're part of the subject organization.
  • The subject likely doesn't meet the WP:GNG but has been WP:REFBOMBed to give the appearance that it does.
  • The subject is a very niche a) product/service/work, b) company/organization, or c) person. Depending on the nature of the organization (e.g. a club), this may not be "paid" as much as it is WP:COI.
  • The subject is not written about in a neutral way. If there is negative coverage of the subject in reliable sources, it is strangely absent.
If you strongly suspect that an editor is engaging in undisclosed paid editing, the boards TNM101 suggests are great resources. I would caution too however that if your suspicion isn't that strong, you can start by just asking them at their talk page. Sometimes they're earnestly trying to improve the encyclopedia about something they're very familiar with because they're a part of it, but they've failed out of ignorance of forgetfulness to disclose that on their user page. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 06:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@TheTechnician27@TNM101 I wasn't talking about COIs or paid editing, I already know and have remembered both WP pages. I was just wondering if Wikipedia could take action against those services aka take them to court. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 06:59, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That doesn't seem to be within our scope, and I am pretty sure that the Wikimedia Foundation doesn't take legal action against anyone since it's a non-profit. TNM101 (chat) 07:12, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I can't think of a single viable avenue by which Wikipedia could take successful legal action against undisclosed paid editors. If you tried to bring a civil suit, you'd be trying to prove what's called a tort. The WMF would have to prove that 1) the editor had a legal duty to act in a certain way (they didn't; nothing legally says you have to identify an employer when you contribute to a website); 2) that the defendent breached this duty (i.e. if you could somehow prove 1 (not possible), then you would still need to prove in court that your suspicions are more probable than not); and 3) that the WMF suffered injury or loss as a result of this undisclosed paid editing (short of some absolutely enormous conspiracy that blows up and damages the WMF's reputation, this is functionally impossible, because the reality is that any loss is negligible at best). TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 07:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Deep thanks to User:TheTechnician27 for putting all these undeclared paid flags in one place. If this is not already the subject of an essay, it should be. I do see that Wikipedia:Identifying PR is an existing essay flagging behavior that draws content from press releases. David notMD (talk) 11:45, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for all the responses, is there anyway I can see of all the times when paid editors or undisclosed COIs were caught in the act? SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 04:33, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Improving a page through including my own research

The 'icing the kicker' page can benefit from the following recent addition in regards to the effectiveness of this practice:

"Most recently and extensively, Professor Nadav Goldschmied and Tyler Ratkovich from the University of San Diego and Mike Raphaeli from Nanning Vocational and Technical University (China) found that in 25 NFL seasons (1999-2024) the success for "pressure kicks" (two minutes or less to the end of the game when -3, −2, −1, tied or in overtime) when iced was 74.1% as opposed to 79.8% otherwise which represented a significant decline in performance.

Goldschmied, N., Ratkovich, T*., & Raphaeli, M. (2024) NFL field goal kicking under pressure: An expanded replication of icing the kicker strategy. Journal of Applied Sport Psychology.

Thanks,

Nadav Goldschmied


Ngoldschmied11 (talk) 05:42, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The place to suggest this, Ngoldschmied11, is Talk:Icing the kicker. (Better, I think: "A study found that in 25 NFL seasons..." Interested readers will identify the authors from the reference.) -- Hoary (talk) 05:48, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Fine by me! so do I add the modification or is it done by another editor since it is my work?
Thanks,
Nadav Ngoldschmied11 (talk) 06:15, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Ngoldschmied11 pretty sure this falls under WP:No original research SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 07:00, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
SimpleSubCubicGraph Not quite. If the observations on kicking success/failure were unpublished, that would be original research. If published in a reliable source, such as a science journal article, OK to use. However, Wikipedia advises researchers who are also Wikipedia editors to not cite their own work. David notMD (talk) 12:05, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, @Ngoldschmied11: in case it's not clear from the other responses: you are discouraged from citing your own work, as that is regarded as a conflict of interest, but you are welcome to suggest an edit which cites your own work, so that another editor decides what to do with your suggestion. If you use the edit request wizard that will guide you. Please make your suggestion as precise as possible (eg "Inset XXX at the end of the paragraph beginning YYY") ColinFine (talk) 13:10, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Shortened forms list

Hello. Is there any place I could get the shortened forms of all Wikipedia guidelines and a brief definition (e.g. WP:GNG, WP:NPV)? I usually find it difficult to use the shortened forms when commenting and I just go for the full name. Jõséhola 07:13, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Josedimaria. See WP:WP. Tarlby (t) (c) 07:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, how about Wikipedia:Shortcut index or Wikipedia:List of policies and guidelines and might be an idea to work out something for Wikipedia:Glossary of shortcuts Ayohama (talk) 07:21, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Creating a new page

I want to make a new Wikipedia page but the name already exists so what should I do Chetan4u1 (talk) 10:05, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Can you tell us the name of the article so we can better understand the situation? Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 10:10, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Chetan4u1 Welcome to the Teahouse. You don't need to worry about that at this stage. You can create a draft article by following the process at WP:AfC. If and when it is accepted into the encyclopedia (most draft articles are not), the reviewer will attend to the naming, which might require a disambiguation page, but if you haven't written a Wikipedia article before you'll have plenty of other hoops to jump through before this becomes an issue. Shantavira|feed me 10:15, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Chetan4u1 Your attempt to create an article about Isabel Myers who is an actress has been deleted and a redirect created to Isabel Briggs Myers, a different person. To start over, use WP:YFA to create a draft named Isabel Myers (actress). That said, common advice here is to gain experience improving existing articles before attempting to create an article. David notMD (talk) 12:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Brother but if I make a draft then how can I change the name of the page if it already exists. Chetan4u1 (talk) 12:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Chetan4u1 If you're working on a draft on an individual who shares their name with someone who already has an existing article, you're supposed to differentiate/distinguish your draft from the existing article. You cannot 'delete' or 'change the name' of an article that has been reviewed and exists. In your case, name your draft Isabel Myers (actress), since the subject of the existing article, Isabel Briggs Myers, is a writer. Dissoxciate (talk) 13:19, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Dissoxciate, I disagree with you. When creating a draft, you may disambiguate the title, but you don't need to, and you certainly aren't "supposed to". New editors probably don't know our disambiguation rules anyway, so I would not encourage them to try.
For your second point, you can move an existing article to a new title, and that sometimes needs to happen when a new article is created about something with the same name. But I agree that if Chean4u1 is asking how to change the name of an existing article in order to hijack it, they shouldn't. ColinFine (talk) 13:58, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, @Chetan4u1, and welcome to the Teahouse.
The answer to your specific question is that you change the name of an article or other page by moving it; but I suggest you forget about this for the moment because 1) as a new user you don't have access to that tool yet, and 2) at your present stage it is irrelevant to what you want to do.
My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft.
When you are ready to create the draft, you can completely ignore the titles of any existing articles. You will be creating Draft:Isabel Myers (which doesn't exist at present, which is why it is in red). After you have developed an acceptable draft for an article (which is much harder than it looks to new editors, and will almost certainly give you frustration and disappointment if you don't take David's and my advice above), you will submit it for review, and if the reviewer accepts it, they will sort out all the issues about naming it. OK? ColinFine (talk) 13:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks I will try my best. Chetan4u1 (talk) 14:17, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

adding a clarification in response to a user request

Hello, in doing what described in subject, should one delete the request for clarification, or leave it there? 1808Eolo3 (talk) 10:14, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@1808Eolo3 Welcome to the Teahouse. If you mean resolving a [how?] template (with adequate referencing) then you may remove the template. Shantavira|feed me 10:36, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What is sandbox and how should I use it?

How can I use sandbox Juamisi25 (talk) 10:54, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Juamisi25 Welcome to the Teahouse! All should be explained at this help page: basically your personal sandbox is a place for you to experiment with editing without messing anything up in the main encyclopedia. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:58, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Short and simple: follow this link — you can do whatever with it as long as it's productive Wikipedia Stuff, use it to practice edits, put together rough drafts etcetera --Slowking Man (talk) 01:15, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

So while editing Guangdong Public Security Department, I added an interlanguage link in the infobox, and for whatever reason in the infobox right after the interlanguage link are two brackets(]]). I entered the interlanguage link properly from both experience and directions, may I ask what I did wrong and how to solve this issue? Thehistorianisaac (talk) 11:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Thehistorianisaac. I think this might have something to do with the syntax of Template:Infobox law enforcement agency. If you look at the syntax for the |Secondary governing body= parameter, it appears things are set up to convert whatever is added for that parameter into a Wikilink. If you remove the {{ill}} template for that parameter, it will format it as a WP:REDLINK. You could try asking about this on the template's talk page or at WP:VPT; however, I don't think you can remove the brackets without removing them from the infobox template's syntax, and doing that would affect other articles where the template is being transcluded. You might be just have to hide the parameter for the time being until a fix can be found or just go with the red link. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:09, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ok thank you Thehistorianisaac (talk) 12:14, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Thehistorianisaac:. The documentation for the parameter at Template:Infobox law enforcement agency says "Do not link. The template will link." I looked at the implementation and it doesn't appear possible to add an interlanguage link there. If the link is important then you can add it to the opening paragraph instead. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:19, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
thanks Thehistorianisaac (talk) 12:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Thehistorianisaac: If you really want to include the interlanguage link, you might replace the linked "provincial government" in the second sentence of the article with the ILL you were using in the infobox. Deor (talk) 23:47, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone help me with archiving bot?

You can edit my talk page Cactus🌵 spiky ouch 12:27, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Cactusisme: Done. I have set up auto-archiving on your talk page. Lowercase Sigmabot III will now archive threads that are 7 days old, keeping at least 5 threads and archiving at least 1. If you want to customise it further, you can check out Help:Archiving a talk page#Example with sequentially numbered archives or just ping me for assistance. – DreamRimmer (talk) 14:41, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks!!! Cactus🌵 spiky ouch 01:21, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Images

Is there a way one can add copyrighted images/images not in the public domain to articles, if necessary? Maybe something to do with fair use? Can someone walk me through the process, given there's one? Thanks! Dissoxciate (talk) 12:34, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Dissoxciate: if you haven't yet read WP:Non-free content, that seems a good place to start. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:38, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hello! See the instructions at Special:Upload if you want to upload the file after reading WP:Non-free content as said by DoubleGrazing TNM101 (chat) 13:41, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Is there another method besides WP:RSP to check if a source is reliable?

Are there other ways to check if a source is reliable besides using WP:RSP? For example, are there guidelines, tools, or methods that can help evaluate a source's trustworthiness when RSP doesn’t give a clear answer? Silkroadster (talk) 13:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Silkroadster: You could read WP:RS yourself to determine if a source meets its criteria, or ask on RSN. JJPMaster (she/they) 13:34, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There is a userscript at User:Novem Linguae/Scripts/CiteHighlighter that takes ratings from various sources and highlights them in green, yellow or red depending on their reliability. Also, User:Novem Linguae/Scripts/CiteHighlighter#Original source lists is very helpful. – DreamRimmer (talk) 13:48, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@DreamRimmer Thank you. I realized that early on in my editing, but I appreciate it again as I used it as an argument in an AFD. Silkroadster (talk) 14:21, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
While looking at the Wikipedia:WikiProject Film/Indian cinema task force#Guidelines on sources. I found Hindu Businessline to be a reliable source. Does this reliability apply to news related to companies as well? Silkroadster (talk) 14:24, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Silkroadster Sometimes searching the WP:RSN archives is helpful. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:39, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Silkroadster,
When WP:RSP isn’t clear, assess the publisher’s reputation, the author’s expertise, editorial standards, and independence. Check for corroboration in other reliable sources and be cautious of bias or promotional tones. Ayohama (talk) 17:21, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Company Information

I'm needing assistance to add my small business to the Wikipedia results. I started a page, but was presented with a message that stated my content as 'non-constructive'. What do I need to do or where can I find guidelines on how to add our information ?? Rdmind (talk) 15:35, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Rdmind Hello and welcome. You have no edits other than this one, so I can't look at your prior attempt. You seem to have a common misunderstanding about Wikipedia. It is not a database of things that exist, and is also not a place for companies to tell about themselves and what they do. Wikipedia articles about companies must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company, showing how it meets our special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. The vast majority of the millions of companies on this planet do not merit Wikipedia articles(even some that may have them, but we just haven't removed yet). Also note that a Wikipedia article is not necessarily desirable. There are good reasons to not want one. Our articles are typically written by independent editors wholly unconnected with the topic. I would suggest that you go on about the work of your company; if your company is truly notable, someone will eventually write about it. 331dot (talk) 15:41, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@331dot: see EF. DMacks (talk) 16:45, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, I see now- I didn't realize the filter blocked things as "non constructive". I now see that their username violates policy. 331dot (talk) 16:48, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
To add your business to Wikipedia, it must meet WP:Notability (organizations), with significant coverage in independent, reliable sources. Avoid promotional content and write neutrally. If you’re connected to the business, disclose your conflict of interest and suggest edits instead of directly creating or editing. Use the WP:Article wizard to draft and submit for review. But honestly speaking: take the advice from @331dot- go on about the work of your company Ayohama (talk) 17:17, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Per message on your Talk page, before doing anything, either do a formal name change or abandon this account and start a new one. David notMD (talk) 16:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weatherbox placement

Can't help but feel the weatherbox on the Cherry Hill, New Jersey article is in a space that leaves a lot of blank space behind. Can it be moved easily? (I should clarify I'm unsure how to do this) Finitestory (talk) 00:34, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the weatherbox can be moved easily. Edit the article, find the weatherbox code, and relocate it to a section where it fits better, like "Climate" or below another relevant subsection, to reduce blank space. Ayohama (talk) 07:22, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! Finitestory (talk) 13:08, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Anytime welcome! x) Ayohama (talk) 13:12, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

New page reviewer questions

So I'm currently applying for NPR rights, and I have a couple questions about what I can do with NPR rights:
 • Am I allowed to review pages I created?
 • Do people with NPR rights only review articles or do they also review redirects?
 • Can reviews be undone (that is, can an article be unreviewed if need be)? RedactedHumanoid (talk) 02:11, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, RedactedHumanoid! In order, no, both, and yes. A little more detail:
  • You can’t review pages you created, but creators who create a lot of unproblematic articles are often assigned the autopatrolled right so that reviewers don’t have to check extra articles unnecessarily.
  • NPPers can and do review both articles and redirects. In fact, there’s currently a backlog elimination drive aimed at reviewing both.
  • Articles can be unreviewed.
Hope this helps! Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 03:02, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, thank you. RedactedHumanoid (talk) 03:11, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Notability of Isa Isarb

Besides Nigel Ng, Isa Isarb is one of the most famous non-brand Youtube Channel with over 2,7 million subscribers. Cited by many and also mainly using Malay language Protocetus1 (talk) 04:04, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Teahouse is the wrong place to suggest an article should be created. There is a requests site but it is pretty much a "dead letter", meaning few if any article suggestions are acted upon. David notMD (talk) 05:41, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Protocetus1, being one of the most famous and having over 2,7 million subscribers is not in itself evidence of notability. What is required to establish notability are references to several published reliable sources that are entirely independent of Isarb and that devote significant coverage to Isarb. Nothing else matters. Cullen328 (talk) 08:27, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Protocetus1: Welcome to the Teahouse. While a YouTube channel with more than 2.7 million subscribers may be considered notable in a general sense, Wikipedia operates on a different operational definition of the word (which I call wikinotability to differentiate the two). If you're able to find sources that satisfy Wikipedia's golden rule, this channel might be considered wikinotable enough to warrant its own article. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:38, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Protocetus1 It appears that there was briefly an article about Isa Isarb that was Speedy deleted as not being article-worthy. If that was you, you may try again to create a draft via WP:YFA but please do not move it to main space or even submit the draft for review unless you can include valid references (WP:42). David notMD (talk) 16:06, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Page text length and "stub" status

At present time, is a page developed to a length of, say, 400 words—not counting many listed references—still considered a stub?Joel Russ (talk) 04:16, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Stub status depends on content depth and coverage, not just word count. A 400-word page could still be a stub if it lacks comprehensive information, see Wikipedia:Stub Ayohama (talk) 07:20, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Saving a template for re-use in high volume

I use the "r from alternative language" template all the time. I would like to know if there is a way to save a template or have like a quick-use list of 3 to 5 templates that I use frequently when creating valid redirects from varied different languages etc.?

So for example. Lets say I see a town in Palestine or Israel that has an Arabic or Hebrew language word that could use a redirect that then requires the template "r from alternative language", I want to be able to just click that "r from alternative language" quickly without needing to type that full text in or even partial text in a search for the template again each and every time to use it. Iljhgtn (talk) 04:21, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Iljhgtn: One really good but rarely-mentioned tool that can help you with this is TemplateScript. I'll be  Working on an implementation of that tool specifically for this purpose. JJPMaster (she/they) 05:24, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. That would be great! Iljhgtn (talk) 05:28, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I figured it out; add the following to Special:MyPage/common.js:
//<nowiki>
$.ajax('//tools-static.wmflabs.org/meta/scripts/pathoschild.templatescript.js', { dataType:'script', cache:true }).then(function() {
	pathoschild.TemplateScript.add([
	{
		category: 'Redirect templates',
		name: 'R from alternative language (Hebrew to English)',
		template: '{{R from alternative language|he|en}}',
		position: 'after',
		editSummary: 'Adding redirect template'
	},
	{
		category: 'Redirect templates',
		name: 'R from alternative language (Arabic to English)',
		template: '{{R from alternative language|ar|en}}',
		position: 'after',
		editSummary: 'Adding redirect template'
	}
	]);
});
//</nowiki>

Then, disable the "Syntax" button in the editing window (if it's enabled). Then, on the sidebar, you should see a new section called "Redirect templates" with the two templates I've seen you use in Special:NewPagesFeed. If you ever need to use more, you can add a similar JSON object to the existing ones, or check out Capricorn. JJPMaster (she/they) 06:13, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I will try it out now. Iljhgtn (talk) 15:58, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I added the script that you wrote, but I did not see any change when I tried to make a new redirect just now. I have not yet tried to "disable the "Syntax" button in the editing window (if it's enabled)" though. Where do I find that to disable it? Iljhgtn (talk) 16:05, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Iljhgtn: It's in the editing toolbar, next to the bold, italic, reference, etc. buttons. JJPMaster (she/they) 16:15, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Syntax highlighter? I only ever edit in visual editor. I had to check the source editor to see if I could figure out what you mean. I only saw the syntax highlighter and then only when in source editor mode. Also, I tried this just now and I have not gotten the script to work yet. Iljhgtn (talk) 16:51, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Iljhgtn: If you use VisualEditor exclusively, then TemplateScript is not likely to be well-suited for your goals. Instead, you could try User:Wugapodes/Capricorn, which allows you to add any and all redirect category templates. JJPMaster (she/they) 16:53, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I installed that, now what? Iljhgtn (talk) 17:00, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Iljhgtn: Just go to any redirect page. You should see a green dialog box. JJPMaster (she/they) 17:04, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I see. This looks messier and not configurable like what I was looking for. I suppose I will need to just continue creating them manually as I have been for months. Iljhgtn (talk) 18:04, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hang on...

How come every time I expand an article, the view count suddenly spikes? TWOrantulaTM (enter the web) 05:00, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hey @TrademarkedTWOrantula Expanding an article can trigger increased views due to it appearing in more searches, being featured on watchlists, or drawing attention from other editors and readers curious about the changes I guess. Ayohama (talk) 07:18, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@TrademarkedTWOrantula: If "spikes" just means a significant percentage increase from a very low starting point then it could be your own views while editing the article. For example, you edited Pictoword three times yesterday and it went from around six daily views to 16 that day.[6] PrimeHunter (talk) 08:56, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello everyone, Can someone help fix Territorial control during the Russo-Ukrainian War. I am on mobile. All the oblast sections are collapsed by default. In mobile every section has collapse option which helps us navigate through the desired sections easily. Similar thing once happened with an article related to some sporting event. It was fixed when the symbols and flags were removed from it. I believe that it the same issue with this article. Too many flags are there. Many of which I believe don't need to be there neccesarily. Can someone help fix it to make it easy for mobile users to navigate. Right now if someone for example needs to see Zaporizhzhia oblast they have to scroll all the way down. Thank you. Shaan SenguptaTalk 12:20, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Write an Extended Confirmed Protection edit request on the talk page or get to 500 edits manually SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 02:48, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@SimpleSubCubicGraph FYI, I'm already an EC user. I have over 6775 edits. So I don't need to place an edit request. This is something technical. I appreciate your readiness to help but please understand the problem before giving suggestions. Thank you. Shaan SenguptaTalk 02:58, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Shaan Sengupta Get to $1200 manually SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 03:05, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@SimpleSubCubicGraph What exactly is $1200? Shaan SenguptaTalk 03:26, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@SimpleSubCubicGraph: Please do not respond to Teahouse questions if you don't know the answer to them or if you're giving unproductive responses. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:38, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Shaan Sengupta: Welcome to the Teahouse. If the issue is technical, the folks over at WP:VPT may be better equipped to address it. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:43, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Tenryuu I believe either this is something techincal or too much flags are creating a problem. Thank you so much. Shaan SenguptaTalk 03:47, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

IP trying to reset my password

I've had an IP try to access/reset my password a few times over the past couple of weeks. I'm not too fussed since the email says I don't need to do anything if I didn't request it, but I still wanted to double-check here just in case.

It's a Ipv6 with no contributions/blocks, so I'm figuring they've seen me about on a noticeboard, are hitting random users or I've undone vandalism on another IP they've used & they're upset with me.

My password is really strong and there are no signs that they've been able to touch this account whatsoever, so I'm thinking that it's ok to just leave them to their own devices? Blue Sonnet (talk) 12:59, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hey @Blue-Sonnet, If your password is strong and there are no signs of unauthorized access, there's no need to worry. Wikipedia's email system ensures that password reset requests can't proceed without access to your email. Ayohama (talk) 13:10, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, there's not much that can be done here. It is good to tell this is happening, though, in the unlikely event someone succeeds. 331dot (talk) 13:13, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yup it's usually safe to ignore if you're sure about your password. We see it a fair amount. It's very often someone you'll have interacted with, maybe they're upset about something, or maybe they're just a troll. On occasions they might actually think it's their username (common with shorter usernames). You can always ask a checkuser to take a look. Maybe they will take a look and maybe they won't, and they almost certainly won't tell you what accounts are on the IP, but they can usually see what's been going on, get a measure of the problem, and sometimes do things (though don't expect too much). My email is open. -- zzuuzz (talk) 13:19, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@331dot @Ayohama @Zzuuzz Thanks for the reassurance, I've got a good seventy tabs open for random articles on my phone so I'll probably notice pretty quickly 😉
I'll maybe raise it again if they keep going or anything else happens, but it's pretty sporadic ATM so they're probably just chancers... Blue Sonnet (talk) 13:23, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Anytime x) Ayohama (talk) 13:24, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What should I do if I accidentally edit whilst logged out or on a doppelganger account?

I would like to know what I should do in this situation, as whilst that has not happened, you can never be too prepared, right? I read Wikipedia when logged out quite often, so I would like to know what I should do in this situation. The2gingerman (talk) 13:38, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @The2gingerman. Editing in more than one account is permitted, unless you're doing it for unsavoury purposes (eg !voting multiple times in a discussion) - see WP:SOCKLEGIT - I know it says that doppelganger accounts should not be used for editing, but nobody is going to worry unless you do it often.
Same for editing when not logged in: if you're worried about exposing your IP address, see WP:OSPOL. ColinFine (talk) 14:17, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hey @The2gingerman If you accidentally edit while logged out, you can log back into your account and leave an edit summary or note on the article's talk page explaining that the edit was yours. This helps maintain transparency. If it happens on a doppelganger account, avoid using it further and ensure you clarify ownership on your primary account's user page (e.g., "This account is a doppelganger of User:YourName"). For more guidance, see Wikipedia:Signatures and Wikipedia:Sock puppetry. Ayohama (talk) 14:45, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@The2gingerman: And if you don't want it to be disclosed, you can request oversight. JJPMaster (she/they) 16:54, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! The2gingerman (talk) 18:36, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Question about citation languages

I Want to edit some pages between Turkish and English, but I haven't found any rules regarding language of citations. Can I use english citations on turkish pages and turkish citations on english pages? MrSirPotato (talk) 13:49, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@MrSirPotato I dunno about using English on Turkish Wikipedia articles but, although English is always preferable, using foreign language sources on English Wikipedia articles is perfectly fine. CommissarDoggoTalk? 13:58, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As long as they are WP:RS. More at WP:NOENG. There are fields/parameters to add translated titles, that is helpful to readers. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:05, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, you can use English citations on Turkish WP pages and Turkish citations on English WP pages, as long as they are reliable sources. However, it is helpful to provide translations for key points if the source's language differs from the article's language- See Wikipedia:Citing sources Ayohama (talk) 14:43, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, @MrSirPotato. Note that if you copy and translate material from a Turkish article to an English article, or the other way round, you must attribute the copied material. See WP:translation. ColinFine (talk) 17:58, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Collaboration request to work on cleanup

Hi everyone! The article on Dadvan Yousuf has been flagged for potential improvement to align with Wikipedia's guidelines. Recently, there have been developments in his life, including his interactions with Swiss television, which might make this a great opportunity for a thoughtful cleanup. If you have expertise in cryptocurrency, finance, or related fields, your contributions could help. Cero9e (talk) 15:10, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm curious, what drew you to the article? You appear to have created your account for the express purpose of creating this message. Be aware that editing about crypto has special rules that are enforced more strictly. I'll notify you of those.
This forum isn't really to solicit co-editors. Maybe the more general Help Desk. 331dot (talk) 15:21, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Bro's from my city, Bern. Saw some Bitcoin flag Everest tweets on X, checked his Wikipedia, and noticed some stuff Cero9e (talk) 15:31, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Btw. created my account like 6 months ago, just did the first edit now Cero9e (talk) 15:33, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I see you created it on a different wiki and not here. 331dot (talk) 15:45, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Heyho @Cero9e Usually I would suggest general Help Desk as @331dotdid but it seems the desk is semi-protected atm, which means:
-Your account must be at least 4 days old
-You must have made at least 10 edits to Wikipedia
I just created the article for niklas nikolajsen couple days ago and there seem to be some parallels with the article subject Dadvan Yousuf. Also noticed some tweets recently btw.
Can have a look. Ayohama (talk) 15:43, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, this author does nothing with this article. Need WP:Speedy deletion of drafts СтасС (talk) 15:30, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hey @СтасС As far as i know, drafts are not eligible for speedy deletion simply because the author is inactive. If the draft doesn't meet Wikipedia's content policies (e.g., it's promotional or unsourced), you can nominate it for deletion through the Articles for Deletion (AfD) process or propose it for G13 speedy deletion if it's been abandoned for over six months and not submitted for review. More details can be found at WP:G13. Hope this helps! 😊 Ayohama (talk) 15:36, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The creating editor User:Kellie Whitehead has not been active since mid-August 2024, leaving this and another draft abandoned. David notMD (talk) 16:11, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If the draft is abandoned for over six months, tag it with {db-g13} for speedy deletion. Otherwise, consider AfD if its content is debatable imo Ayohama (talk) 16:15, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Ayohama, WP:AFD is for articles only, not drafts. You would need to use MFD. However, as you say, it will get deleted next month anyway. ColinFine (talk) 16:39, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You are right, thanks Ayohama (talk) 16:41, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
and thank you again, ColinFine. I see. (understand).--СтасС (talk) 17:01, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Joseph A. Tunzi

How do I remove the promotional disclaimer at the top of the Wikipedia page for Joseph_A._Tunzi Daryl77 (talk) 20:07, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Daryl77. In the visual editor, you can simply click on the tag and press backspace to remove it (assuming you're on PC).
But I'm wondering, why don't you try to discuss or fix the problem rather than just hiding it away? I don't see any of your edits in the page history or any discussion on the article's talk page of you fixing the actual problem. If there is still promotional content after you remove it, someone will inevitably add the tag again. Tarlby (t) (c) 20:38, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, Daryl77. The promotional tone that pervades and saturates that article would need to be removed, which would be a massive job. Because you created that article, have made 413 edits to that article and are personally responsible for nearly 80% of the content, it should certainly not be you that removes that tag. Your main goal as a Wikipedia editor for 13 years has been that one article. What, precisely, is your personal connection to Tunzi? Cullen328 (talk) 20:40, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How long does a draft typically take to get reviewed?

I plan to be submitting a lot of drafts between now and extended-confirned privileges, and potentially after, how long does the process usually take? A week? 2 weeks? Maybe even a month? The2gingerman (talk) 20:09, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, The2gingerman. As the header of a current draft says: This may take 2 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 1,744 pending submissions waiting for review. High quality, well-referenced drafts about clearly notable topics are usually accepted fairly quickly. Obviously low quality, poorly referenced or unreferenced drafts about topics that are clearly not notable usually get rejected pretty quickly. Borderline notability cases may take longer. Drafts about highly technical or esoteric topics may take longer. Drafts that heavily rely on sources in languages other than English may take longer. Drafts filled with a large number of references to low quality sources interspersed with a handful of higher quality sources may take longer. Drafts that fail to make a compelling case that the topic is notable in the lead section may take longer. And so on. Cullen328 (talk) 20:23, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, @The2gingerman, and welcome to the Teahouse. As far as I can see, you have not yet made a single edit to an article, other than to the draft you created - which was declined because, like most new editors, you don't yet have much understanding of Wikipedia's requirements. Would you enter a tennis tournament when you haven't yet ever picked up a tennis racket?
My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft.
In particular, I would urge you to drop utterly the idea of "submitting a lot of drafts",at least until you have had two or three drafts accepted, and so understand what is required. In my opinion, an editor who has made a hundred improvements to existing articles (even if some of them have got reverted) has already added far more value to Wikipedia than almost all editors who try to create new articles before they are ready - in fact, most of those in my view subtract value from Wikipedia, because they take up the time and attention of reviewers who would much rather be reviewing good drafts. ColinFine (talk) 22:03, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

adding secondary sources

In exploring the requirements for notable persons and the nature of secondary sources, I am wondering if this qualifies as an example of what is required, or not (sentence structure asides - still working on that!)

Draft:Randolph Charles Kent

In an interview exploring the challenges of futures thinking within the context of humanitarian scenarios, the researcher and futurist Steven Santer identifies in part that the initiative for futures thinking with respect to humanitarianism was born out of Dr. Kent's experiences as a UN Humanitarian Coordinator since 1987.

Thank you Nik9t (talk) 21:01, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! Interviews featuring the person generally are not evidence of notability. They're primary sources, and they're something that the person helps arrange themselves, so it's not an independent third party taking note of them. You'll want to find articles about the person written by independent sources like newspapers. Otherwise, Randolph Charles Kent might not be a notable figure as Wikipedia defines it. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:10, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, got it - thank you! Nik9t (talk) 21:30, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hang on, @Thebiguglyalien: @Nik9t described that as an interview with somebody else, which was not what your answer was about. NIk9t, if Santer is wholly unconnected with Kent (not a colleague or associate), then that may well count as secondary. There is also the question of whether the interview was published by a reliable source: if it was published by Kent or his associates, it again would not be independent, and if it was published by Santer or his associates, it would be a self published source. WP:42 has a useful set of criteria for evaluating sources. ColinFine (talk) 22:08, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I understood it to be referring to this source: https://futurehumanbydesign.com/2019/09/interview-with-dr-randolph-kent/. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oh I see. I assumed from @Nik9t's description above that Santer was being interviewed, rather than that he was interviewing Kent. Thank you for the correction, @Thebiguglyalien. ColinFine (talk) 23:20, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Why are there specific limitations to VisualEditor

I read through the page for Visual Editor and I saw they had limitations. While they explained what pages are not permitted to use Visual Editing, why are these restrictions in phase? Is there something wrong with visual editor on talk pages? Or editing essays and WP:Policies SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 04:18, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hey @SimpleSubCubicGraph
The limitations of VisualEditor exist because it struggles with complex wikitext elements like templates, signatures, and custom formatting used on talk pages, essays, and policies. These pages require precise editing to maintain structure and functionality, which VisualEditor isn't optimized for. Ayohama (talk) 06:20, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The VE is a later invention, (source editor is the older), and is still developing. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:08, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Update Help pages as "Search" button changed in Vector Skin 2022

 – Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere. Neutral advertising as there has been little response. Already tried at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) but it was archived with no response.


When searching (in the desktop version), the magnifying glass "Go" button to click to search link has been replaced by the "Search" button at the top of every page in the default Vector skin (2022). But most help pages have not reflected this change. Please see Help talk:Contents#"Search" button changed in Vector Skin 2022. waddie96 ★ (talk) 09:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Assistance with Page Deletion/Recreation

Happy New Year All! We recently had our Wikipedia page draft deleted, and would like to rewrite/recreate it and submit for consideration again. We are a little confused about the requirements we need to complete before retrying with this page. Do we have to contact those who deleted the page? Can we just start fresh in the sandbox and resubmit? Kinfolx1114 (talk) 16:34, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Kinfolx1114. It's confusing that you use "we"; an account can only be used by a single person. If more than one person is using this account, please have each person create their own account. You can start a new draft in your sandbox or at Draft:Rahsan Thomas, but it must be written in your own words. You cannot copy content verbatim from other sources, as the message on your talk page explains. Hope that helps. Schazjmd (talk) 16:40, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Greetings, thank you for your response, much appreciated. (I am the only user of this account, btw). Kinfolx1114 (talk) 16:56, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]