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Origins

There's a mixup in Origins about P&O being first...

P&O first introduced passenger-cruising services in 1844, advertising sea tours to destinations such as Gibraltar, Malta and Athens, sailing from Southampton.

current link is to P&O Cruises, which didn't exist till about 1977, when restructuring of P&O into several entities was done, instead to parent P&O (company)
P&O Cruises is one of successors, and inheritor of cruising tradition of the parent company that did that cruise in 19. century, but it is not the same one
it seems original P&O was called Peninsular and Oriental Steamship Company in 1844; I'd like to see when P&O actually got in use (but that is for the P&O (company) article)

Current contents of this article reads as if a company not existing before around 1977 made business in 1844, which would make smart 12 years olds laugh maddly, and dismiss Wikipedia as serious source of info when laughing fit settles.

I propose change of link from P&O (which currently means P&O Cruises) to P&O (company) at first, e.g.

P&O first introduced passenger-cruising services in 1844, advertising sea tours to destinations such as Gibraltar, Malta and Athens, sailing from Southampton

Later a section (or permanent link) to the part of that article with historically correct name could be created in that article and link changed to show there. I'll probably do the first change in a week or two, if nobody disagrees here. --Marjan Tomki SI (talk) 08:48, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Duration

Are there any good statistics on how long cruises typically last? Does it vary by destination? -- Beland (talk) 03:29, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Length of cruise varies a lot based on a number of factors. Most cruises I say last in between three to seven days, but I don't know anywhere that would provide hard statistics on that. SpiritedMichelle (talk) 19:27, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Cruise ship

Discuss about cruise ship 124.105.199.163 (talk) 05:29, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oldest cruise line

Cunard Line was started in 1840, four years before P&O Cruises. 2600:1700:E381:6AA0:B874:8704:FDEE:900C (talk) 13:38, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

40% of energy for hotel load?

I don't believe this: "Cruise ships may use 60 percent of the fuel energy for propulsion, and 40 percent for hotel functions". Here is a source that says 20%, which I find more believable: [1] GA-RT-22 (talk) 15:53, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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-==See also==
-Why is "A Supposedly Fun Thing I'll Never Do Again" included in the see also section, its a book about cruising, yes, but there are many books about cruising, and surely they cannot all be listed, why is this one so special? [[Special:Contributions/23.240.131.64|23.240.131.64]] ([[User talk:23.240.131.64|talk]]) 13:44, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
-==Environment==
-Cruise ships are an environmental disaster. There needs to be a section on this.
-:Environmental Disaster? I bet you love your car too.
-::r]Royal Caribbean is actually using soap free soap on board and dumps noting and i really mean nothing off there ship while at sea or at port the vac. it up with a huge hose
-but then again they do only get about 4 feet per gallon.
-^^^ This is all flaky opinion. There should be additions to include upcoming emissions regulations that will reduce sulphur emissions, scrubber trials and such. The most troubling thing about the Environmental section is, to me, that it lists areas where cruise pollution is focussed but only lists American ports "(especially Florida, California, New York, Galveston, Seattle, and the waters of Alaska)" of considerably more interest keeping in mind upcoming ECAs is the baltic. The omission of the Mediterranean from this list is a terrible oversight. Of course, this would benefit from a balancing opinion to mention current emissions levels or ships, impact of fly cruising. [[User:Garyleehoward|Garyleehoward]] ([[User talk:Garyleehoward|talk]]) 15:54, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
-How about some facts to back that up? I've heard they are actually somewhat efficient, but that doesn't matter, the current section does not give stats, only meaningless impacts. We need hard facts that compare it to other forms of travel.
-== Food consumption and norovirus ==
-I think the norovirus episodes need to be mentioned in the history of cruise ships. At the very least a reference to the incidents.
-The natural place to mention it would be following:
-"As with any vessel, adequate provisioning is crucial, especially on a cruise ship serving several thousand meals at each seating. The amount of food and beverages consumed by a cruise ship on an average seven-day voyage is staggering. Passengers and crew on the Royal Caribbean International ship Mariner of the Seas consume 20,000 pounds of beef, 28,000 eggs, 8,000 gallons of ice cream, and 18,000 slices of pizza in a week."
-as norovirus is linked to food preparation sanitation.
-Does each passenger on this ship really consume over 2.5 gallons (10 liters) of ice cream in a week (ie approx 30,000 calories if Haagen Dazs)  [[User:Dencynic|Dencynic]] 17:13, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
-:I don't believe that they do it "all at one sitting", if that's what you're asking.  However, divide the 30,000 kcal over 7 days and you've got (only) a little less than 2300 kcal per day per person (in just ice cream).  Given the facts that a) Kids on the ships probably consume *easily* that much ("free, all - you - can - eat ice cream, kids?  come and get it!") and b) Cruises are usually an annual opportunity for fat people to become *really* fat people (basically a 24/7 - all - you - can - eat floating buffet), you've got to think that it's not far from the truth.
-The easiest way to gather this kind of info would be to look at the amount of a product that goes onto the ship. Does the 2.5 gallon figure take into account waste? [[User:Garyleehoward|Garyleehoward]] ([[User talk:Garyleehoward|talk]]) 15:46, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
-== crimes aboard cruise ships ==
-Google for this and hordes of results appear. [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&site=&q=crimes+on+Cruise+ship&oq=crimes+on+Cruise+ship&aq=f&aqi=g2g-b1&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=639l1923l0l2267l11l7l0l1l1l0l180l761l1.5l6l0] People get raped, robbed, or vanish all the time.  Inside Edition did a report years ago about how they can get out of minimum wage and labor laws by flying a flag from a nation they have no connection to.  Lawlessness at the sea is a serious problem.  There is an organization that keeps track of cases of various crimes and news coverage. http://www.internationalcruisevictims.org/ I also found the FBI has a page about this issue. http://www.fbi.gov/news/testimony/crimes-against-americans-on-cruise-ships There are various news programs that have covered it as well.  Something should be worked into the article. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 00:13, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
-== Pictures ==
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-== Changed photograph ==
-I changed the first photograph in the article to a far more impressive one. [[User:SpiritedMichelle|SpiritedMichelle]] ([[User talk:SpiritedMichelle|talk]]) 00:27, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
-== Added to gallery ==
-I added a few more photos to the gallery of ship interiors. [[User:SpiritedMichelle|SpiritedMichelle]] ([[User talk:SpiritedMichelle|talk]]) 01:28, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
-==Too much ice cream==
-Removed the following passage:
-<blockquote>
-For example, passengers and crew on the [[Royal Caribbean International]] ship ''[[Mariner of the Seas]]'' consume 20,000 pounds (9,000&nbsp;kg) of beef, 28,000 eggs, 30,000 L of ice cream, and 18,000 slices of pizza in a week.<ref>[http://www.anidayventures.com/node/167 Aniday Adventures]</ref> Normally, a cruise ship stocks up at its [[home port]]. They also have special arrangements with designated suppliers at ports of call if required.
-</blockquote>
-I just don't think this information is credible.  See [[Talk:MS Mariner of the Seas]] where I deleted the same nonsense.  From what I can see, the same poorly sourced information is all over the Internet, and there was never a terribly credible source to begin with (one lacking a strong promotional agenda), and the information is fundamentally impossible to believe (a ship's complement of 4000 passengers and crew combined amounts to 28,000 passenger-days per week—working out by these figures to a liter of ice cream per day per person, on top of the steaks and eggs and seafood and pizza and drinks.  &mdash; [[user:MaxEnt|MaxEnt]] 01:22, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
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-== Discrepancy on linked pages ==
-Under the "Operators and cruise lines" section, it mentions that Star Cruise Line owns 50% of Norwegian Cruise Line (NCL). ["Currently the five largest cruise line holding companies and operators in the world are Carnival Corporation & plc, Royal Caribbean Cruises Ltd., Star Cruises (which owns 50% of Norwegian Cruise Line; NCL in its own right is the third largest line)..."]
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-== Good source ==
-Although it's opinionated, lots of good information - and discussions about things where the Wikipedia article clearly should be expanded: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/06/cruise-control/ - -- <span style="font-family:Brush Script MT; font-size:15px;">[[User:John Broughton|John Broughton]] </span>  [[User talk:John Broughton |(♫♫)]] 22:55, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
-== Do cruise ships really have a safe filled with weapons on board?  ==
-In the article it says "cruise ships have small arms (usually semi-automatic pistols) stored in a safe accessible only by the captain who distributes them to authorized personnel such as security or the master-at-arms." I did a quick google search and according to that cruise ships other than those from Italy do not carry weapons.  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Shipmaster747747|Shipmaster747747]] ([[User talk:Shipmaster747747#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Shipmaster747747|contribs]]) 03:41, 26 July 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-== 2020 changes to the Industry ==
-Shouldn't this article by now reflect the SIGNIFICANT number of ships that were retired and sold of for scrapping last year due to the income loss forced upon cruise lines by the Corona restrictions all over the world?
-https://www.cruisehive.com/which-cruise-ships-are-being-scrapped-or-sold-due-to-the-covid-10-pandemic/40597 for example mentions over a dozen different vessels, while two dozen more change hands to other lines.
-Seems such an important interruption in service and reduction of worldwide capacity should be mentioned in the general article about the ships. --[[Special:Contributions/84.118.56.218|84.118.56.218]] ([[User talk:84.118.56.218|talk]]) 00:32, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
-:{{main |  COVID-19 pandemic on cruise ships}} Whole article dedicated to the effects of Covid-19 on the industry. [[User:SpiritedMichelle|SpiritedMichelle]] ([[User talk:SpiritedMichelle|talk]]) 19:29, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
-== Norovirus section ==
-I have added a ''Dubious'' claim to some of the information presented in the Norovirus section. I'm not quite sure if the math is correct, and using only the CDC as a reference makes me wonder about if it makes the article too American-centric. [[User:CaffeinAddict|CaffeinAddict]] ([[User talk:CaffeinAddict|talk]]) 04:40, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
 == Origins ==
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 :Length of cruise varies a lot based on a number of factors. Most cruises I say last in between three to seven days, but I don't know anywhere that would provide hard statistics on that. [[User:SpiritedMichelle|SpiritedMichelle]] ([[User talk:SpiritedMichelle|talk]]) 19:27, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
+== Cruise ship ==
+Discuss about cruise ship [[Special:Contributions/124.105.199.163|124.105.199.163]] ([[User talk:124.105.199.163|talk]]) 05:29, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
+== Oldest cruise line ==
+Cunard Line was started in 1840, four years before P&O Cruises. [[Special:Contributions/2600:1700:E381:6AA0:B874:8704:FDEE:900C|2600:1700:E381:6AA0:B874:8704:FDEE:900C]] ([[User talk:2600:1700:E381:6AA0:B874:8704:FDEE:900C|talk]]) 13:38, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
+== 40% of energy for hotel load? ==
+I don't believe this: "Cruise ships may use 60 percent of the fuel energy for propulsion, and 40 percent for hotel functions". Here is a source that says 20%, which I find more believable: [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0196890423004673] [[User:GA-RT-22|GA-RT-22]] ([[User talk:GA-RT-22|talk]]) 15:53, 30 January 2024 (UTC)