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== New lead image == |
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Following suit with [[Dick Durbin]] and [[Bernie Sanders]], these outdated official portraits from a decade ago (for Feinstein its nearly two decades) should be replaced with recent images. Here's some potential replacements and let's vote as to whether we should change the image. I personally prefer D or G. --[[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 01:31, 6 October 2021 (UTC) |
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File:Dianne Feinstein, official Senate photo 2.jpg|Option A (current; 2004) |
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File:Dianne Feinstein 2018.jpg|Option B (2018) |
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File:Dianne Feinstein 2018 (1).jpg|Option C (2018) |
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File:Dianne Feinstein 2018 (2).jpg|Option D (2018) |
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File:Dianne Feinstein 2023 Headshot.jpg|Option E (2023) |
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File:CapitolXmasTreeLighting-WashingtonDC-030 (51719409875) (alt crop) (cropped).jpg|Option F (2022) |
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File:Dianne Feinstein for DREAMERS (cropped).jpg|Option G (2019) |
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:Seeing that this comment was ignored for several months, I went ahead and boldly set the lede image to option B. It seems to be modern enough, and it's a little more flattering than most other contemporary images of her. [[User:Mewnst|Mewnst]] ([[User talk:Mewnst|talk]]) 03:35, 7 June 2022 (UTC) |
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::I don't see the big deal the average reader isn't going to really care and Feinstein's appearance hasn't really change much since then. I would say we should always keep the official portrait as the lead image as we did with Jeanne Shaheen, eventually she will probably retire/die but she might finally take a new official portrait before then. But if we are so insistent about changing the main photo I would go with one that looks the most like an official photo, like B or C because she is smiling and looking directly into the camera. [[User:Putitonamap98|Putitonamap98]] ([[User talk:Putitonamap98|talk]]) 00:45, 17 December 2022 (UTC) |
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:::I think it does matter. Almost everyone will look very different after 19 years,especially in office. If you are a public servant we should know what you look like today not a 20 year old picture. As you can see Senator Feinstein looks a lot different from her photo from 2004 to what she looks like in 2023. I would vote for B or C, or maybe more recent picture? [[User:Cornersss|Cornersss]] ([[User talk:Cornersss|talk]]) 17:44, 6 February 2023 (UTC) |
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:Option D is a strong choice as well, slightly more resolution, more refined than a spontaneous group photograph. It might be the highest-quality modern image here. My previous comment is problematic, there's no need to try to hide her age or choose a photo for a woman on the grounds of which is more beautiful. I will be boldly switching the image in the article to Option D. [[User:Mewnst|Mewnst]] ([[User talk:Mewnst|talk]]) 11:57, 7 June 2022 (UTC) |
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:Politicians often neglect their own photos as an act of political deception. Using official photos only motivates politicians to never update their photos. The voters have the right to a modern picture. I think the following would be a fair policy: '''Use the official photo unless it pre-dates the current term (6 years for a US Senator); if the politicians do not like the modern photo chosen, the politicians are responsible for providing a modern ''official'' photo'''. Personally, I think Option D is too old, and I would go with Option E, but if I am not allowed to use Option E, I would go with Option D. Option A is completely unacceptable at this point; a 19 year old photo is too outdated. [[User:technojoe|technojoe]] ([[User talk:technojoe|talk]]) 23:14, 11 May 2023 (UTC) |
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::While I agree the image is outdated, there is no consensus yet to replace the image with an approved image. Furthermore, the image you proposed (option E) is possible copyvio. Do not change the infobox image until a clear consensus is reached AND with an image that the community approves of. Until then, the old portrait remains. [[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 23:37, 11 May 2023 (UTC) |
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*I like '''option A'''. Just like we wouldn't pick a picture of her as a teenager for the lead, we shouldn't choose a pic where she ''look'' very old, because neither would be representative of how she looked when she was most notable. She was notable in the 80s, and is notable now, and option A is a good middle ground. It's the picture we would revert to after she dies anyway, based on common practice. So why not keep it now? [[User:DFlhb|DFlhb]] ([[User talk:DFlhb|talk]]) 04:47, 12 May 2023 (UTC) |
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== Chair of the International Narcotics Control Caucus in the infobox == |
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In the infobox, there is a office she held during the 2009-2015 period that has no name. In the 4th paragraph of the article, it's written that she was Chair of the International Narcotics Control Caucus ; I was also found this: <ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20090901000000*/https://www.senate.gov/general/committee_membership/committee_memberships_SCNC.htm</ref>, that shows the same thing. |
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The fact that this office has no name leads to incomprehension as it could be understood that she is Senator since 1992 (office just above this), but was also during the 2009-2015 period (as there is no separator between the two, like when there's a break between terms), which doesn't make sense. |
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As the article is currently protected, I can't edit it and was wondering if someone who is allowed to can edit this.<br> |
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It's just needed to add this line:<br> |
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| office2 = Chair of the [[International Narcotics Control Caucus|Senate Narcotics Caucus]] |
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between those two lines:<br> |
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[[User:Gaugau120|Gaugau120]] ([[User talk:Gaugau120|talk]]) 17:01, 24 February 2022 (UTC) |
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== Artificial pacemaker - == |
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Why would anyone have an artificial pacemaker - as opposed to a real authentic one. What is an artificial pacemaker? I think she had a 'real' pacemaker inserted <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/97.103.122.94|97.103.122.94]] ([[User talk:97.103.122.94#top|talk]]) 12:27, 16 April 2022 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:The real pacemaker is part of the real heart; see [[Cardiac_pacemaker]]. The gizmo that is inserted to fix an improperly operating real one is an artificial pacemaker.[[User:Login54321|Login54321]] ([[User talk:Login54321|talk]]) 01:36, 9 November 2022 (UTC) |
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== Date Feinstein became a Senator: November 4, 1992 or November 10, 1992? == |
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Change the date of her U.S. Senate incumbency. She was elected in a 1992 special election and took office on 10 November 1992. The current date is incorrect. [[Special:Contributions/96.32.160.36|96.32.160.36]] ([[User talk:96.32.160.36|talk]]) 04:30, 1 November 2022 (UTC) |
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:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' please provide [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources]] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:Aoidh|Aoidh]] ([[User talk:Aoidh|talk]]) 01:31, 4 November 2022 (UTC) |
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::This is pretty weird. The last day of the Congressional Record for 1992 [[https://www.congress.gov/congressional-record/102nd-congress/browse-by-date appears to have been October 9, 1992]]. Feinstein won the special election on November 3, 1992. [[https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1992-11-11-mn-282-story.html Contemporary news reports]] state she was sworn in, thus becoming Senator, on November 10, 1992. The next day of [[https://www.congress.gov/103/crecb/1993/01/05/GPO-CRECB-1993-pt1-1-1.pdf the Congressional Record, for January 3, 1993]], shows that Feinstein's certificate of election was signed by California's governor on November 5, 1992, but I can't find any record in the Congressional Record of what date Feinstein took office. From 1999 to November 5, 2010, [[https://web.archive.org/web/19990901220947/http://bioguide.congress.gov/scripts/biodisplay.pl?index=F000062 her biography on the congressional website]] said she "took the oath of office November 10, 1992". |
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::Then comes the weird part: according to archive.org, sometime between November 5 and December 2 of 2010, [[https://web.archive.org/web/20101202045908/http://bioguide.congress.gov/scripts/biodisplay.pl?index=F000062 her biography was changed]] to say she "took office on November 4, 1992, and took the oath of office on November 10, 1992". I can't find a statement like that in any other Senate biography, and as far as I can tell, it's utter nonsense. If a person hasn't yet taken the oath of office, then the person does not hold the office. |
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::So, I'm pretty sure she became a Senator on November 10, 1992, and I'm sure she didn't become one on November 4, 1992 (as the Congressional Record records her certificate of election hadn't even been signed yet), but I'm not sure what to do with the fact that some counterfactual claptrap was added to her official biography two decades later. [[User:Birdfern|Birdfern]] ([[User talk:Birdfern|talk]]) 02:36, 8 November 2022 (UTC) |
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::I've now learned that in 1935, a law was enacted that specified that when a Senator is elected in circumstances such as Feinstein's, her salary is paid retroactively back to one day after her election, regardless of the date the election result was certified or the date she was actually sworn into office. 2 USC 36, 49 Stat 22. At some point, the Senate began using this added-to-the-payroll date as a Senator's starting date for determining seniority. Thus, it is the more important date to know for most practical purposes than is the date the Senator was actually sworn into office. |
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::The Senate Historical Office's [[https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/resources/pdf/chronlist.pdf Senators of the United States]] listed Feinstein's "Start of Initial Senate Service" date as November 10, 1992, until it was changed without explanation in [[https://web.archive.org/web/20110511212157/http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/resources/pdf/chronlist.pdf the May 2011 edition]] to November 4, 1992. It seems that when a Senator's seniority date and swearing-into-office date differ, that publication lists the seniority date as the "Start of Service" date and puts the swearing-in date in a footnote. At least, that seems to be the rule for everyone else, but for Feinstein it now only lists the November 4 seniority date. |
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::I guess the best thing to do is put November 4 in the info box, with a footnote that she was sworn into office on November 10. [[User:Birdfern|Birdfern]] ([[User talk:Birdfern|talk]]) 08:03, 8 November 2022 (UTC) |
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== President pro tempore == |
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Just a heads up. Barring anything unexpected, Feinstein is likely to be elected ''president pro tempore'' of the US Senate, in January 2023. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 06:04, 14 November 2022 (UTC) |
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:Not necessarily so, {{u|GoodDay}}. Selecting the longest serving member of the majority party is a tradition, not a Senate rule. According to the [https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/10/22/grassley-feinstein-senate-pro-tempore/ Washington Post], Feinstein has declared that she does not want the job. She is 89, after all. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 06:17, 14 November 2022 (UTC) |
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::I did say "barring anything unexpected". [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 06:19, 14 November 2022 (UTC) |
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== Actions on September 28 == |
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Hours before she died; Senator Feinstein voted on the Senate floor for the last time, and later met with fmr Rep Jane Harman at Feinstein's home, around 5PM EST. I think these events are relevant and should be included in the section about her death. [[User:BlueOcean02|BlueOcean02]] ([[User talk:BlueOcean02|talk]]) 19:11, 29 September 2023 (UTC) |
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{{edit semi-protected|Dianne Feinstein|answered=yes}} |
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I need to extend Dianne Feinstein's 1990 Gubernatorial Campaign and Senate Career [[Special:Contributions/2607:9880:2158:FE:71A0:83C2:998A:2166|2607:9880:2158:FE:71A0:83C2:998A:2166]] ([[User talk:2607:9880:2158:FE:71A0:83C2:998A:2166|talk]]) 22:08, 4 January 2023 (UTC) |
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: [[File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a [[WP:EDITXY|"change X to Y" format]] and provide a [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable source]] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 23:18, 4 January 2023 (UTC) |
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:I don't know if these are encyclopedically significant enough events to warrant listing. [[User:DarmaniLink|DarmaniLink]] ([[User talk:DarmaniLink|talk]]) 19:53, 29 September 2023 (UTC) |
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== Senator Feinstein did not make a statement saying she is not running == |
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::Maybe not, her final vote was on a continuing resolution to temporarily avert a shutdown, that might be relevant elsewhere I guess. [[User:BlueOcean02|BlueOcean02]] ([[User talk:BlueOcean02|talk]]) 20:09, 29 September 2023 (UTC) |
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:::It's certainly not relevant elsewhere. If anywhere, then here. [[User:Str1977|Str1977]] [[User talk:Str1977|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:10, 30 September 2023 (UTC) |
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::::It was just an idea for a page on the looming shutdown. No need to overreact. [[User:BlueOcean02|BlueOcean02]] ([[User talk:BlueOcean02|talk]]) 18:44, 30 September 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::People here sometimes respond with a tone that cuts the bullshit and can come off as curt and sharp. Please try not to take it personally. [[User:DarmaniLink|DarmaniLink]] ([[User talk:DarmaniLink|talk]]) 23:19, 30 September 2023 (UTC) |
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::::::I understand, but people should probably think a tiny bit more before they speak. You can cut the bullshit, without being overtly direct. [[User:BlueOcean02|BlueOcean02]] ([[User talk:BlueOcean02|talk]]) 16:40, 1 October 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::::It is frowned upon by some but if you take it personally you'll find yourself in more disputes than productive discussions. Best to just communicate, take the information, and roll with it and get back to making a better encyclopedia. :) [[User:DarmaniLink|DarmaniLink]] ([[User talk:DarmaniLink|talk]]) 01:53, 2 October 2023 (UTC) |
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::::Since you posted immediately under my comment: How was my comment "overreacting"? Also, what's wrong about stating a point directly. There was nothing personal in my comment at all. |
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::::In an article on the looming shutdown, Mrs Feinstein is just one of 100 Senators, not more or less important than others. It doesn't matter if it is a Senator's first or last vote. |
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::::Her casting her last vote however might be relevant here. After all it was HER last vote. It might merit inclusion that she voted so close before her death. OTOH, giving that the vote was such a transitionary one, I think in this case the value to the reader is very limited. [[User:Str1977|Str1977]] [[User talk:Str1977|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 09:11, 3 October 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::Honestly, if its mentioned at all, it should be in passing, in a manner that prioritizes she voted X hours before her reported time of death over what the vote actually is, and only stating that as a passing fact of the matter in passing. |
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:::::Something like (for example, i dont know the actual number and cant be assed to check) |
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:::::"9 hours before her death, she voted for what would be her last time on the senate floor on a measure regarding the prevention a shutdown." |
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:::::(obviously this is bad, its just what i could come up with in 15 seconds) |
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:::::Its a neat tidbit but I don't really see a place for it. [[User:DarmaniLink|DarmaniLink]] ([[User talk:DarmaniLink|talk]]) 01:40, 7 October 2023 (UTC) |
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::::::Which is why I refrenced placing it elsewhere, but the shutdown was avoided so it's pointless anyway. As for the meeting Jane Harman it could probably be mentioned in passing when discussing polticians who paid tribute to her, it's just an interesting thing to note. [[User:BlueOcean02|BlueOcean02]] ([[User talk:BlueOcean02|talk]]) 00:31, 9 October 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::With the utmost respect, writing a Mini Essay about how you didn't over react is literally the definition of over reacting. But anyway I can see your point, think before you speak in future, so this sort of nonsense doesn't happen again. [[User:BlueOcean02|BlueOcean02]] ([[User talk:BlueOcean02|talk]]) 00:34, 9 October 2023 (UTC) |
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::::::Honestly, a comment like this gives the impression of trolling. People can respond how they want, so long as they're not being profane or abusive. Lecturing people on tone will guarantee your edits do not get transcluded [[User:DarmaniLink|DarmaniLink]] ([[User talk:DarmaniLink|talk]]) 03:54, 9 October 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::::Respectfully, I'm not trolling, I just want discussions to be as civil and polite as possible. [[User:BlueOcean02|BlueOcean02]] ([[User talk:BlueOcean02|talk]]) 23:03, 9 October 2023 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 23 November 2023 == |
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We should not assume she has dementia and her staff is correct. Her staff put out a tweet under her account saying she is not running in 2024 but Feinstein, herself, denied it. |
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{{Edit semi-protected|Dianne Feinstein|answered=yes}} |
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https://www.newsweek.com/dianne-feinstein-contradicts-her-own-retirement-announcement-1781279 |
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Diane Feinstein entry states that “ the Supreme Court ruled against abortion rights “. What the court actually ruled was that abortion was not a constitutionally protected right but rather an issue that should be returned to the states. ( see Dobbs decision) [[Special:Contributions/74.98.241.41|74.98.241.41]] ([[User talk:74.98.241.41|talk]]) 04:56, 23 November 2023 (UTC) |
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:{{partly done|Partly done:}}<!-- Template:ESp --> I changed the text, per the source, to {{tq|the Supreme Court overturned ''[[Roe v. Wade]]''}} – [[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]] ([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 17:42, 23 November 2023 (UTC) |
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== Committee chairmanships on Feinstein's profile == |
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Let's report the fact. In a few days, it may become clear what happened. [[User:KoreaOK|KoreaOK]] ([[User talk:KoreaOK|talk]]) 05:02, 15 February 2023 (UTC) |
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On the topic of including Feinstein's committee position's in the title, should we include all of her chairmanships and ranking memberships (including vice chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee) in the infobox? Are they specifically notable enough that inclusion in the lead is insufficient? |
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== Dementia Coverup == |
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Talk about sweeping dirt under the rug, hardly any mention in the article about her worsening dementia that has been extensively reported by multiple reliable sources. Wow. Who wrote this article, Sen Feinstein's office? --[[User:Westwind273|Westwind273]] ([[User talk:Westwind273|talk]]) 00:56, 13 April 2023 (UTC) |
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Asking with reference to [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Politics/American politics#On organising the infoboxes of members of Congress|this (largely unfrequented) consensus question on the WikiProject Politics]] page. This is so we can apply any consensus reached to articles of other senior members of Congress. [[User:SuperWIKI|SuperWIKI]] ([[User talk:SuperWIKI|talk]]) 11:53, 19 January 2024 (UTC) |
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:Hi, I [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Dianne_Feinstein&diff=prev&oldid=1132852150 removed that section] in January since I believed [[Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard/Archive321#Dianne_Feinstein%27s_health|that the BLP noticeboard discussion]] showed no consensus to include — [[User:DFlhb|DFlhb]] ([[User talk:DFlhb|talk]]) 19:01, 28 April 2023 (UTC) |
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::Thanks for pointing to that. I read the entire discussion. We could probably Wikipedia-rule each other to death on this, but from a common sense point of view, many reliable source newspapers have published articles describing a decline in Senator Feinstein's mental health. It seems really weird that the Wikipedia article is forcibly silent on this. If you ever wonder why people accuse Wikipedia of having a left-wing bias, reflect on this article. [[User:Westwind273|Westwind273]] ([[User talk:Westwind273|talk]]) 03:37, 4 May 2023 (UTC) |
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:It's not a good approach to begin a request by insulting other editors. You never added it either, so why are you blaming anyone else? [[User:The Four Deuces|TFD]] ([[User talk:The Four Deuces|talk]]) 03:50, 4 May 2023 (UTC) |
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::::Her cognitive decline is discussed twice, at the end of the lead section, and in the section called "Health and job role capacity". Accordingly, accusations of "coverup" and "forcibly silent" are false. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 03:55, 4 May 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::The article includes references to six reliable sources that discuss her cognitive decline, five of which are liberal or left. So much for the spurious charge of "left-wing bias". [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 04:01, 4 May 2023 (UTC) |
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::::::Actually, I think the BLP noticeboard discussion hashes out this issue pretty thoroughly. As you can see, there are strong arguments on both sides. I would suggest a notice at the top of this talk page pointing to that archived discussion. [[User:Westwind273|Westwind273]] ([[User talk:Westwind273|talk]]) 04:09, 4 May 2023 (UTC) |
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::I did not intend an insult. I was seriously wondering if the senator's office was involved in editing this article. Now that I know people are pretty thin-skinned here, I will speak more gently. [[User:Westwind273|Westwind273]] ([[User talk:Westwind273|talk]]) 04:03, 4 May 2023 (UTC) |
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:::''Accuracy'' is what we expect, not erroneous politicized talking points. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 04:08, 4 May 2023 (UTC) |
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::::Everything I wanted to say has already been said in the BLP noticeboard discussion. I think you would agree that the arguments there are more than just politicized talking points. [[User:Westwind273|Westwind273]] ([[User talk:Westwind273|talk]]) 04:11, 4 May 2023 (UTC) |
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:::The inclusion of material in any article depends on the weight of coverage in reliable sources. Reliable sources exclude almost all conservative media. (Don't blame me, I voted against banning Fox News and the Daily Mail.) So the way to judge this article is whether it gives the same emphasis to these claims as the New York Times, CNN and MSNBC. Without a change in policy, we cannot provide greater weight than they do. |
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:::BTW if I wrote to you saying that you had swept dirt under the rug in the Marjorie Taylor Greene article and asked if she was paying you, would you find that insulting or is that just how you normally converse with people? [[User:The Four Deuces|TFD]] ([[User talk:The Four Deuces|talk]]) 13:23, 4 May 2023 (UTC) |
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== Diane Feinstein forgotten accomplishment == |
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== Senator Dick Durbin == |
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I have searched everywhere to find information of the incredible First-Time Homebuyer's Program Mayor Diane Feinstein instituted in the 1980s. I was a recipient of the program in 1981 at the Mariners Village Development in Hunters Point in San Francisco. The homes were the San Francisco Navy Shipyard enlisted sailors' homes from the 1940s, which rennovated and certified for occupancy in 1980/81. [[User:LoliLola19|LoliLola19]] ([[User talk:LoliLola19|talk]]) 21:24, 10 June 2024 (UTC) |
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In Health and job capacity: |
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== Gross negligence not listed == |
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''[[Dick Durbin]], who chairs the [[United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary]], on which Feinstein serves, told [[CNN]] that Feinstein's absences were slowing down the committee'' |
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Why is there no section shown on this page about how she made a serious error of judgement by conducting a press conference to give out information about the Nightstalker case? An action that was severely berated by the authorities. [[User:Ciaobellaxo|Ciaobellaxo]] ([[User talk:Ciaobellaxo|talk]]) 05:06, 16 October 2024 (UTC) |
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Could someone edit this to add Senator before Dick Durbin's name? [[User:Quickenedeasy|Quickenedeasy]] ([[User talk:Quickenedeasy|talk]]) 21:14, 16 May 2023 (UTC) |
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[edit]Hours before she died; Senator Feinstein voted on the Senate floor for the last time, and later met with fmr Rep Jane Harman at Feinstein's home, around 5PM EST. I think these events are relevant and should be included in the section about her death. BlueOcean02 (talk) 19:11, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- I don't know if these are encyclopedically significant enough events to warrant listing. DarmaniLink (talk) 19:53, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- Maybe not, her final vote was on a continuing resolution to temporarily avert a shutdown, that might be relevant elsewhere I guess. BlueOcean02 (talk) 20:09, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- It's certainly not relevant elsewhere. If anywhere, then here. Str1977 (talk) 11:10, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
- It was just an idea for a page on the looming shutdown. No need to overreact. BlueOcean02 (talk) 18:44, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
- People here sometimes respond with a tone that cuts the bullshit and can come off as curt and sharp. Please try not to take it personally. DarmaniLink (talk) 23:19, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
- I understand, but people should probably think a tiny bit more before they speak. You can cut the bullshit, without being overtly direct. BlueOcean02 (talk) 16:40, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
- It is frowned upon by some but if you take it personally you'll find yourself in more disputes than productive discussions. Best to just communicate, take the information, and roll with it and get back to making a better encyclopedia. :) DarmaniLink (talk) 01:53, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
- I understand, but people should probably think a tiny bit more before they speak. You can cut the bullshit, without being overtly direct. BlueOcean02 (talk) 16:40, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
- People here sometimes respond with a tone that cuts the bullshit and can come off as curt and sharp. Please try not to take it personally. DarmaniLink (talk) 23:19, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
- Since you posted immediately under my comment: How was my comment "overreacting"? Also, what's wrong about stating a point directly. There was nothing personal in my comment at all.
- In an article on the looming shutdown, Mrs Feinstein is just one of 100 Senators, not more or less important than others. It doesn't matter if it is a Senator's first or last vote.
- Her casting her last vote however might be relevant here. After all it was HER last vote. It might merit inclusion that she voted so close before her death. OTOH, giving that the vote was such a transitionary one, I think in this case the value to the reader is very limited. Str1977 (talk) 09:11, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
- Honestly, if its mentioned at all, it should be in passing, in a manner that prioritizes she voted X hours before her reported time of death over what the vote actually is, and only stating that as a passing fact of the matter in passing.
- Something like (for example, i dont know the actual number and cant be assed to check)
- "9 hours before her death, she voted for what would be her last time on the senate floor on a measure regarding the prevention a shutdown."
- (obviously this is bad, its just what i could come up with in 15 seconds)
- Its a neat tidbit but I don't really see a place for it. DarmaniLink (talk) 01:40, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
- Which is why I refrenced placing it elsewhere, but the shutdown was avoided so it's pointless anyway. As for the meeting Jane Harman it could probably be mentioned in passing when discussing polticians who paid tribute to her, it's just an interesting thing to note. BlueOcean02 (talk) 00:31, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
- With the utmost respect, writing a Mini Essay about how you didn't over react is literally the definition of over reacting. But anyway I can see your point, think before you speak in future, so this sort of nonsense doesn't happen again. BlueOcean02 (talk) 00:34, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
- Honestly, a comment like this gives the impression of trolling. People can respond how they want, so long as they're not being profane or abusive. Lecturing people on tone will guarantee your edits do not get transcluded DarmaniLink (talk) 03:54, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
- Respectfully, I'm not trolling, I just want discussions to be as civil and polite as possible. BlueOcean02 (talk) 23:03, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
- Honestly, a comment like this gives the impression of trolling. People can respond how they want, so long as they're not being profane or abusive. Lecturing people on tone will guarantee your edits do not get transcluded DarmaniLink (talk) 03:54, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
- It was just an idea for a page on the looming shutdown. No need to overreact. BlueOcean02 (talk) 18:44, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
- It's certainly not relevant elsewhere. If anywhere, then here. Str1977 (talk) 11:10, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
- Maybe not, her final vote was on a continuing resolution to temporarily avert a shutdown, that might be relevant elsewhere I guess. BlueOcean02 (talk) 20:09, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 23 November 2023
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Diane Feinstein entry states that “ the Supreme Court ruled against abortion rights “. What the court actually ruled was that abortion was not a constitutionally protected right but rather an issue that should be returned to the states. ( see Dobbs decision) 74.98.241.41 (talk) 04:56, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
- Partly done: I changed the text, per the source, to
the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade
– Muboshgu (talk) 17:42, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
Committee chairmanships on Feinstein's profile
[edit]On the topic of including Feinstein's committee position's in the title, should we include all of her chairmanships and ranking memberships (including vice chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee) in the infobox? Are they specifically notable enough that inclusion in the lead is insufficient?
Asking with reference to this (largely unfrequented) consensus question on the WikiProject Politics page. This is so we can apply any consensus reached to articles of other senior members of Congress. SuperWIKI (talk) 11:53, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
Diane Feinstein forgotten accomplishment
[edit]I have searched everywhere to find information of the incredible First-Time Homebuyer's Program Mayor Diane Feinstein instituted in the 1980s. I was a recipient of the program in 1981 at the Mariners Village Development in Hunters Point in San Francisco. The homes were the San Francisco Navy Shipyard enlisted sailors' homes from the 1940s, which rennovated and certified for occupancy in 1980/81. LoliLola19 (talk) 21:24, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
Gross negligence not listed
[edit]Why is there no section shown on this page about how she made a serious error of judgement by conducting a press conference to give out information about the Nightstalker case? An action that was severely berated by the authorities. Ciaobellaxo (talk) 05:06, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
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