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== "Far right" in opening sentence ==
== Evidence TC was ever a Democrat? ==

"Far right" appears multiple times in the article as well as the lead. I feel that it's prominent enough to appear in the first sentence description per [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Tucker_Carlson&diff=1141044740&oldid=1140754853&diffmode=source this edit]. Are there any policy-based objections to this? –[[User:Dlthewave|dlthewave]] [[User_talk:Dlthewave|☎]] 04:52, 23 February 2023 (UTC)


I remember him from his bow tie days and he's always been a right wing provocateur. He's been surprisingly consistent, he was offensive back then. [[User:SatanicYakuza|SatanicYakuza]] ([[User talk:SatanicYakuza|talk]]) 05:23, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
:"Far-right" is a contentious label. The lead currently says Carlson has helped to promote far-right ideas. That seems consistent with sourcing. Claiming that Carlson himself is far-right would basically mean you need to have sources consistently define him as such. I don't think we have that in this case. Since his promotion of far-right ideas is already part of the lead this seems like a needless attempt to shoehorn a contentious label into the opening sentence of a BLP article. Remember, it's not policy based objection to the actions. You need policy based support. [[User:Springee|Springee]] ([[User talk:Springee|talk]]) 04:57, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
::I disagree that it's automatically a contentious label; it's a term frequently used in academia to quantify both political movements and individuals, including Carlson. See eg. [https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/23337486.2022.2096288], {{tq|US Fox News talk show host and far-right pundit Tucker Carlson...}} Simply having people who ''disagree'' with a label is not enough to render it contentious to the point of unusability; it would need to be a label inappropriate for use in high-quality writing. --[[User:Aquillion|Aquillion]] ([[User talk:Aquillion|talk]]) 21:26, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
:::This is a contentious label. That doesn't mean a high quality source could never use it (though I'm not sure an obscure article that has been cited zero times counts as quality). [[User:Springee|Springee]] ([[User talk:Springee|talk]]) 22:41, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
::::Most everything Carlson says is contentious. I have always assumed purposely. [[User:Objective3000|O3000, Ret.]] ([[User talk:Objective3000|talk]]) 22:56, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
::::: I also think "far-right" is well-sourced and should be including. Those claiming it's a "contentious label" are confusing "contentious" with "negatively-tinged". Just because they don't like the fact that "far-right" tends to connote a negative perception of someone doesn't make it "contentious". There are plenty of people described as "far-right" on Wikipedia if reliable sources describe them that way. Tucker Carlson is one of those people. [[User:Wes sideman|Wes sideman]] ([[User talk:Wes sideman|talk]]) 12:25, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
::::::wrong. If Antifa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States) is not "far left" then tuck is definitely not "far right" - it's quite simple. [[Special:Contributions/75.105.36.127|75.105.36.127]] ([[User talk:75.105.36.127|talk]]) 21:18, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
:We actually do not have any body or lead content that describes Carlson as far-right. Both the body and lead mention that he gives mainstream coverage to far-right views. I don't think those things are synonymous. For someone as well-covered as Carlson, I think it's fair to expect sources that explicitly say "far-right" and body content that summarizes them. [[User:Firefangledfeathers|Firefangledfeathers]] ([[User talk:Firefangledfeathers|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers|contribs]]) 04:57, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
::I agree with {{user|Firefangledfeathers}}. I do not think we should be adding far-right. [[User:Canadianr0ckstar2000|Canadianr0ckstar2000]] ([[User talk:Canadianr0ckstar2000|talk]]) 15:36, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
:"far-right political commentator, writer, conspiracy theorist" - is very biased - Tucker Carlson is Center right. He calls BS - he is right about BLM, Covid-19 Vaccines, and the Ukraine war - jury not out on Jan 6th but videos are telling - Anyone who thinks he is a far right conspiracy theorist must be extreme left (fake wanting to help people to bring about Utopia but only wants control) - and also wants the World to be ruled like 1930's Nazi (socialists) Germany and 1930's Stalin's Russia/USSR - Those calling Carlson far-right as sourced have a screw loose. [[Special:Contributions/73.20.34.120|73.20.34.120]] ([[User talk:73.20.34.120|talk]]) 04:56, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
::I think you've pretty much summed up the extreme right position and made the point that Carlson is far-right. But, our opinions don't matter. We print what RS print. [[User:Objective3000|O3000, Ret.]] ([[User talk:Objective3000|talk]]) 11:21, 6 May 2023 (UTC).
:::If you think that is far right you genuinely have absolutely no idea what far right means. [[User:Britannic16|Britannic16]] ([[User talk:Britannic16|talk]]) 12:34, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
::::Maybe, but we go by what RS say. [[User:Slatersteven|Slatersteven]] ([[User talk:Slatersteven|talk]]) 12:36, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
:::::And most don't call him far-right. Even in recent times we don't have a majority calling him far-right. Also, we should evaluate the quality of evidence presented by sources when they use contentious labels. [[User:Springee|Springee]] ([[User talk:Springee|talk]]) 13:33, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
::::::SWo do any sources contest this, not not say it contest it? [[User:Slatersteven|Slatersteven]] ([[User talk:Slatersteven|talk]]) 13:36, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
:::::::We don't have things that way. Take an extreme case, if one source says he is a martian and no sources deny it we don't conclude that it must be true. To put this sort of label in the opening sentence we need to show that it's a common description and baked by good evidence. I don't think we have that. [[User:Springee|Springee]] ([[User talk:Springee|talk]]) 13:55, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::True, but we do not have only one source. As such this is not an isolated opinion. [[User:Slatersteven|Slatersteven]] ([[User talk:Slatersteven|talk]]) 13:57, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::But do the majority of sources describe him as such? If not then we shouldn't use that contentious label in the opening sentence. I could be wrong but I think this was previously discussed with sources. Perhaps that was a BLPN. I'm on my phone so searches are difficult. [[User:Springee|Springee]] ([[User talk:Springee|talk]]) 14:03, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{tq|"But do the majority of sources describe him as such?"}} I'm not familiar with that standard. Is it a policy/guideline or something you came up with? –[[User:Dlthewave|dlthewave]] [[User_talk:Dlthewave|☎]] 13:07, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::::[[MOS:BIOFIRSTSENTENCE]] suggests that {{tq|the opening paragraph of a biographical article should '''neutrally''' describe the person}}. Additionally, [[MOS:LABEL]] suggests that a contentious label be {{tq|widely used by reliable sources to describe the subject}}. I concur with the perspective shared by [[User:Springee]] as it is well supported by policy, and has been successfully argued at many RfCs. [[User:Kcmastrpc|Kcmastrpc]] ([[User talk:Kcmastrpc|talk]]) 14:44, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::::Dlthewave, skipping over the issues Kcmastrpc rightly notes, let's turn this around. How many source is sufficient? Would you argue for this if only 1 RS used the label? Is that your standard? What if it were 2? How many is enough in your view? What about 1% of source? Is that your standard? How would you propose we decide? [[User:Springee|Springee]] ([[User talk:Springee|talk]]) 15:18, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
::The fact that you genuinely think the Nazis were left-wing just because they had “socialist” in their name proves that you have no business discussing politics in any capacity. Do you think North Korea is a democracy because their official name is the DEMOCRATIC People’s Republic of Korea? Unreal. [[User:Jrhjazznblues|Jrhjazznblues]] ([[User talk:Jrhjazznblues|talk]]) 08:57, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
I don't figure the abuse of LABEL into my equation here, but do look at RS descriptions. Given how deceptive Carlson is (his lawyers say he lies and his show is just entertainment that should not be taken seriously), and how the latest Dominion vs Fox News revelations show he doesn't even believe (violently disagrees in private) what he says in his show, we can't know if he is really far-right or just uses his show to push such views. Therefore, I support [[User:Firefangledfeathers|Firefangledfeathers]]. We should describe him as a Fox News host who "gives favorable coverage to far-right views". I say "favorable" because he does not contradict those views and actually pushes them. That's why people think he's far-right. His actions speak loudly, but given that his private views and public actions are often contradictory, we can only describe his public views on this point. If we get evidence of his private views, then we can add that. -- [[User:Valjean|Valjean]] ([[User talk:Valjean|talk]]) ('''''[[Help:Notifications|PING me]]''''') 17:40, 17 March 2023 (UTC)


:Carlson was a registered Democrat in Washington, D.C. because to not is to ''de facto'' have no say in who is elected for anything because whoever wins the Democratic primary will win the general election in DC. [[User:R. G. Checkers|<b style="color: #E2062C ;"> ''R. G. Checkers''</b>]]<sup>[[User talk:R. G. Checkers|<b style="color: #000000;"> talk</b>]]</sup> 05:43, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
:I believe how this is handled by [[Andy Ogles]] BLP should be an approach we model here. It does not belong in the lede sentence; however, describing how his critics label his talk show views is appropriate. [[User:Kcmastrpc|Kcmastrpc]] ([[User talk:Kcmastrpc|talk]]) 11:29, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
::I don't agree. What critics are we referring to? Since when does opinions and critics have encyclopedic value? [[User:Canadianr0ckstar2000|Canadianr0ckstar2000]] ([[User talk:Canadianr0ckstar2000|talk]]) 01:30, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
:::Their opinions have value when given in the context of a news report, when printed in a reliable source. You are well-aware of this, having been told countless times at the Ruble talk page. [[User:Zaathras|Zaathras]] ([[User talk:Zaathras|talk]]) 01:48, 27 March 2023 (UTC)


== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 10 October 2024 ==
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:hence why RS call him far-right, his extremism. [[User:Slatersteven|Slatersteven]] ([[User talk:Slatersteven|talk]]) 12:29, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
*'''Include''' What does it matter what he may or may not believe himself? He is a far-right commentator, writer, and conspiracy theorist because his commentary, writings, and conspiracy theories are far-right. Julia Childs first TV show was ''The French Chef''; but she wasn’t French. [[User:Objective3000|O3000, Ret.]] ([[User talk:Objective3000|talk]]) 15:53, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
*:It matters that the majority of sources talking about him don't use that contentious label. What has been in here for some time is a more encyclopedic entry (and better adheres to IMPARTIAL and LABEL). [[User:Springee|Springee]] ([[User talk:Springee|talk]]) 19:07, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
*'''Include''' "far-right" per Aquillion's earlier points. [[User:JimKaatFan|JimKaatFan]] ([[User talk:JimKaatFan|talk]]) 19:17, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
:No. [[MOS:BIOFIRSTSENTENCE]]: "... avoiding [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Words to watch#Puffery|subjective]] or [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Words to watch#Contentious labels|contentious]] terms." I acknowledge that one might contend it's not subjective or contentious. [[User:Peter Gulutzan|Peter Gulutzan]] ([[User talk:Peter Gulutzan|talk]])


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He expressed his disappointment with the Republican nominee for the [[2012 United States presidential election|2012 election]], [[Mitt Romney]], and the [[Massachusetts health care reform|health care reform]] he signed in 2006 as [[governor of Massachusetts]], which contained an [[individual mandate]], saying, "out of 315 million Americans, the Republican Party managed to find the one guy who couldn't run on [[Affordable Care Act|Obamacare]]".
We’ve got contradictory information in the article, in the section “Departure from Fox News”. The last sentence of the first paragraph says “The decision to dismiss Carlson was reportedly made by [[Rupert Murdoch]], the chairman of the board of Fox News Channel's parent company [[Fox Corporation]]."<ref name="IndependentBye">{{cite web |title=Fox staffers and Tucker Carlson foes react to shock exit - live |url=https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/tucker-carlson-leaving-fox-news-defamation-b2325859.html |website=The Independent |access-date=25 April 2023 |language=en |date=25 April 2023}}</ref><ref name="VoxBye">{{cite web |last1=Morrison |first1=Sara |title=What we know so far about Tucker Carlson’s shocking Fox News departure |url=https://www.vox.com/technology/2023/4/24/23696065/tucker-carlson-fox-news-fired |website=Vox |access-date=25 April 2023 |language=en |date=24 April 2023}}</ref> The last sentence of the second paragraph says “The decision was eventually made by Murdoch's son, Lachlan Murdoch, and Fox CEO Suzanne Scott to oust him."<ref name=":5">{{Cite news |last=Hagey |first=Keach |last2=Flint |first2=Joe |last3=Simonetti |first3=Isabella |date=April 26, 2023 |title=Tucker Carlson's Vulgar, Offensive Messages About Colleagues Helped Seal His Fate at Fox News |work=[[The Wall Street Journal]] |url=https://www.wsj.com/articles/tucker-carlsons-vulgar-offensive-messages-about-colleagues-helped-seal-his-fate-at-fox-news-e52b3cc5 |access-date=April 26, 2023}}</ref>
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Which is it? We need to resolve this contradiction - or else allow for both somehow. [[User:MelanieN|MelanieN]] ([[User talk:MelanieN|talk]]) 14:27, 26 April 2023 (UTC)


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:They probably both needed to be mentioned as potential possibilities. There's not a RS consensus from what I've seen on who exactly fired him. [[User:Iamreallygoodatcheckers|<b style="color: #E2062C ;"> ''Iamreallygoodatcheckers''</b>]]<sup>[[User talk:Iamreallygoodatcheckers|<b style="color: #000000;"> talk</b>]]</sup> 15:42, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
::Maybe they're all correct. Here's how the Washington Post puts it together:
:::"When Fox News CEO Suzanne Scott called Carlson Monday morning to tell him he would be “parting ways” with the network, the host repeatedly asked why, according to people familiar with the conversation. Scott would only tell him that the decision came “from above” — meaning Rupert Murdoch and his Fox Corp CEO son Lachlan. Scott and Lachlan Murdoch had made the decision to fire Carlson Friday evening, three days after the settlement, and Lachlan spoke to his father about it on Saturday, according to two people familiar with the discussion."[https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2023/04/26/tucker-carlson-rupert-murdoch-fired/]
::How about we replace the stuff now in the article with info based on the WaPo summary? -- [[User:MelanieN|MelanieN]] ([[User talk:MelanieN|talk]]) 17:23, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
::The New York Times says it was Scott and Lachlan, omitting WaPo's inclusion of Rupert: "The decision to let Mr. Carlson go was made on Friday night by Lachlan Murdoch, the chief executive of Fox Corporation, and Suzanne Scott, chief executive of Fox News Media, according to a person briefed on the move. Mr. Carlson was informed on Monday morning by Ms. Scott, another person briefed on the move said."[https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/24/business/media/tucker-carlson-fox-news-dismissal.html#:~:text=The%20decision%20to%20let%20Mr,person%20briefed%20on%20the%20move.] Sounds like WaPo has more sources than NYT? -- [[User:MelanieN|MelanieN]] ([[User talk:MelanieN|talk]]) 17:27, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
:::Well, I think I've fixed it - by putting all the information into the second paragraph, and citing the Washington Post for names and dates. -- [[User:MelanieN|MelanieN]] ([[User talk:MelanieN|talk]]) 23:55, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
Why is any of this content in our article. Why are we speculating on the internal management and decision authority inside a corporation, and what difference does it make to the subject of this page? It's all UNDUE.[[User:SPECIFICO |<b style="color: #0011FF;"> SPECIFICO</b>]][[User_talk:SPECIFICO | ''talk'']] 00:52, 27 April 2023 (UTC)


He expressed his disappointment with the Republican nominee for the [[2012 United States presidential election|2012 election]], [[Mitt Romney]], and the [[Massachusetts health care reform|health care reform]] he signed in 2006 as [[governor of Massachusetts]], which contained an [[individual mandate]], saying, "out of 315 million Americans, the Republican Party managed to find the one guy who couldn't run on [[Affordable Care Act|Obamacare]]." [[User:Werner Zagrebbi|Werner Zagrebbi]] ([[User talk:Werner Zagrebbi|talk]]) 16:52, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
:I think that's a good point. Does it matter if Tucker was fired by Rupert vs. Lachlan vs. Suzanne Scott? &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 00:54, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
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::I think so. The higher up the chain that decision was made, the more extraordinary the situation is shown to be. I don't think Rupert Murdoch generally gets involved in the firing of staff. (and personally, it seems unbelievable to me, that Lachlan would make the move to fire this guy, and not pick up the phone at some point to talk it over with his Dad, there's just too much money involved, but that's all just personal speculation on my part, and can be ignored for article-purposes :) ). [[User:Despayre| <b style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 0.4em,#D00 -0.2em -0.2em 0.4em,#D00 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;color:#ACF"> Despayre </b>]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User_talk:Despayre|tête-à-tête]]</sup> 17:25, 21 May 2023 (UTC)


Here is his signature. Maybe update the Template and add it. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:TuckerCarlsonSignature.svg <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:MediaGuy768|MediaGuy768]] ([[User talk:MediaGuy768#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaGuy768|contribs]]) 20:43, 24 October 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
== Tucker on Twitter ==


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There is an incredible number of viewers leaving Fox because of him and an even greater number of people looking at his first Twitter thing.--[[User:Ralfdetlef|Ralfdetlef]] ([[User talk:Ralfdetlef|talk]]) 04:13, 9 June 2023 (UTC)


:a bigly number of people, i bet. have a source? [[User:ValarianB|ValarianB]] ([[User talk:ValarianB|talk]]) 12:52, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
Here is his signature. Maybe update the Template and add it. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:TuckerCarlsonSignature.svg [[User:MediaGuy768|MediaGuy768]] ([[User talk:MediaGuy768|talk]]) 04:10, 30 October 2024 (UTC)


== Semi-protected edit request on 15 June 2023 ==
== Edit request on 30 November 2024 ==


Could somebody please add how Carlson is sometimes called "Fucker Carlson" for his far right views? The source link is https://x.com/JohnCleese/status/1387377907111284737 [[Special:Contributions/80.193.98.150|80.193.98.150]] ([[User talk:80.193.98.150|talk]]) 11:08, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
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:X is not an RS. [[User:Slatersteven|Slatersteven]] ([[User talk:Slatersteven|talk]]) 11:17, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
Episodes 2 and 3 were just posted recently on Tucker Carlson's Twitter. Please include details about these episodes and their viewership numbers. [[Special:Contributions/2603:8000:6001:8E45:8C2B:6C05:B936:F8E2|2603:8000:6001:8E45:8C2B:6C05:B936:F8E2]] ([[User talk:2603:8000:6001:8E45:8C2B:6C05:B936:F8E2|talk]]) 01:31, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
:Apparently, simply requesting an edit is an attempt at vandalism now. Don't ask me why. [[Special:Contributions/80.193.98.150|80.193.98.150]] ([[User talk:80.193.98.150|talk]]) 17:25, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' please provide [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources]] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 01:46, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
::Who accused you of vandalism? [[User:Slatersteven|Slatersteven]] ([[User talk:Slatersteven|talk]]) 17:28, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
Is this type of language appropiate? --[[User:Guiy de Montfort| <span style = "color:blue">'''Guiy de Montfort'''</span>]][[User talk:Guiy de Montfort|<span style = "color:blue">''' de L'Amaury'''</span>]] 21:20, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

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Evidence TC was ever a Democrat?

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I remember him from his bow tie days and he's always been a right wing provocateur. He's been surprisingly consistent, he was offensive back then. SatanicYakuza (talk) 05:23, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Carlson was a registered Democrat in Washington, D.C. because to not is to de facto have no say in who is elected for anything because whoever wins the Democratic primary will win the general election in DC. R. G. Checkers talk 05:43, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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He expressed his disappointment with the Republican nominee for the 2012 election, Mitt Romney, and the health care reform he signed in 2006 as governor of Massachusetts, which contained an individual mandate, saying, "out of 315 million Americans, the Republican Party managed to find the one guy who couldn't run on Obamacare".

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He expressed his disappointment with the Republican nominee for the 2012 election, Mitt Romney, and the health care reform he signed in 2006 as governor of Massachusetts, which contained an individual mandate, saying, "out of 315 million Americans, the Republican Party managed to find the one guy who couldn't run on Obamacare." Werner Zagrebbi (talk) 16:52, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Bowler the Carmine | talk 19:34, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here is his signature. Maybe update the Template and add it. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:TuckerCarlsonSignature.svg — Preceding unsigned comment added by MediaGuy768 (talkcontribs) 20:43, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Here is his signature. Maybe update the Template and add it. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:TuckerCarlsonSignature.svg MediaGuy768 (talk) 04:10, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Could somebody please add how Carlson is sometimes called "Fucker Carlson" for his far right views? The source link is https://x.com/JohnCleese/status/1387377907111284737 80.193.98.150 (talk) 11:08, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

X is not an RS. Slatersteven (talk) 11:17, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Apparently, simply requesting an edit is an attempt at vandalism now. Don't ask me why. 80.193.98.150 (talk) 17:25, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Who accused you of vandalism? Slatersteven (talk) 17:28, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is this type of language appropiate? -- Guiy de Montfort de L'Amaury 21:20, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]