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== [[:Open file format]] has an [[WP:RFC|RfC]]== |
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<div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0">[[File:Ambox warning orange.svg|48px|alt=|link=]]</div>'''[[:Open file format]]''' has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the '''[[Talk:Open file format#RfC on requirements defining open file format|discussion page]]'''.<!-- Template:Rfc notice--> Thank you. |
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== [[:MP4 file format]] has an [[WP:RFC|RfC]]== |
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<div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0">[[File:Ambox warning orange.svg|48px|alt=|link=]]</div>'''[[:MP4 file format]]''' has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the '''[[Talk:MP4 file format/Archive 1#RfC on whether MP4 is an open format|discussion page]]'''.<!-- Template:Rfc notice--> Thank you. |
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== [[:ISO base media file format]] has an [[WP:RFC|RfC]]== |
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<div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0">[[File:Ambox warning orange.svg|48px|alt=|link=]]</div>'''[[:ISO base media file format]]''' has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the '''[[Talk:ISO base media file format#RfC on whether ISO BMFF is an open format|discussion page]]'''.<!-- Template:Rfc notice--> Thank you. |
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== Is a First-Time contributor qualified to write an article from scratch? (Topaz Labs) == |
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Hello, my name is Asaf 👋🏻 |
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I'm a 27 y/o male software engineer with 5 years of experience. |
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I've recently become responsible for my company's internal documentation. |
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I want to improve my knowledge and skills in this area, by contributing to Wikipedia & learning its style. |
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I'm curious about how the Wikipedia editors' community views a first-time contributor like me. |
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Am I qualified to write an article from scratch? perhaps I'm expected to clean up existing pages first? |
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Thanks in advance for any feedback 🙏🏻 [[User:Asaf.s.lumen|Asaf.s.lumen]] ([[User talk:Asaf.s.lumen|talk]]) 15:52, 4 September 2024 (UTC) |
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:I'm not a wiki administrator, but I would say read [[WP:MOS|MOS]] and [[WP:BEBOLD|BEBOLD]], then go for it. |
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:If you're nervous then write the article in a [[WP:SANDBOX|SANDBOX]] and then ask for a review. -- [[User:Chatul|Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul]] ([[User talk:Chatul|talk]]) 17:33, 4 September 2024 (UTC) |
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:We encourage working on existing articles before trying to write a new one but if you want to disregard that advice, you're free to. You need to be [[WP:AUTOCONFIRMED]] to create a new article directly in mainspace but anyone can use [[WP:AFC]]. ~[[User:Kvng|Kvng]] ([[User talk:Kvng|talk]]) 13:58, 8 September 2024 (UTC) |
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== Project scope == |
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Are articles covering ''concepts'' concerned with software design under the scope of this project? A couple of examples to gauge: |
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* [[Template:Software development process]] |
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** [[Software development]] |
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** [[Software engineering]] |
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** [[Software design]] |
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* [[Programming tool]] |
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* [[Code coverage]] |
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* [[Computer programming]] |
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Could the extent be clarified more in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Software/goal#Scope|scope]] somehow? E.g. also including 'software development'? [[User:Tule-hog|Tule-hog]] ([[User talk:Tule-hog|talk]]) 01:49, 17 September 2024 (UTC) |
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:Good question. Based on what I see [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Software/tag#Project_articles|currently included in the project]], I'd say yes to all of that. ~[[User:Kvng|Kvng]] ([[User talk:Kvng|talk]]) 14:41, 10 October 2024 (UTC) |
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::The ''[[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Software/goal#Goals|goals]]'' seem sufficiently stated ('all software-related articles'), so I have only [[WP:BOLD|boldly]] updated the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Software/goal#Scope|scope]]. Might need further clarification. [[User:Tule-hog|Tule-hog]] ([[User talk:Tule-hog|talk]]) 17:57, 10 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:::I've expanded a bit further to include applications of various types and called out overlap with other projects for these. ~[[User:Kvng|Kvng]] ([[User talk:Kvng|talk]]) 18:11, 10 October 2024 (UTC) |
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== Feedback on software draft == |
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Hi! Looking for a bit of help with my [[Draft:DVT_IDE]] AfC. The initial submission was declined due to a lack of sufficient reliable secondary sources. With the help of the reviewer, I've added several such sources and rewrote part of the draft to ensure most of the content relies on them. I also completely removed references to the marketplaces where the IDE is available to minimize use of primary sources. |
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I've resubmitted the modified draft a few hours ago, but figured I'd open a topic here to see what else I might be able to improve, or if there's something specific to Software articles that I might've overlooked. |
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:Declined again. [[WP:N|Notability]] based on the sources you've cited is marginal. There's on paragraph in EDN. The other sources don't appear to be clearly [[WP:INDEPENDENT]]. AfC can be tighter than necessary. If you don't have a [[WP:COI]] you could consider moving this to mainspace yourself and see if it gets deleted. ~[[User:Kvng|Kvng]] ([[User talk:Kvng|talk]]) 14:48, 10 October 2024 (UTC) |
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::Hey @[[User:Kvng|Kvng]], thanks for the feedback! |
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::I do have a COI (declared on the [[Draft talk:Design and Verification Tools Integrated Development Environment|draft's talk page]]) which is why I used AfC in the first place, and I think it's only fair to refrain from circumventing it. |
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::With regards to sources, given the niche (software specific for electrical engineering), there's unfortunately a very limited number of online publications that I could use as reference (all the ones I proposed weren't considered reliable enough or were considered primary, so I decided to remove pretty much all of them to be safe). That left me with what I could find in conference proceedings, journals and textbooks which, to be honest, I though they would prove to be perceived as being more of a WP:RS than a web article or news story (especially when compared to what most [[Comparison of EDA software|similar articles]] have as references). Seems that wasn't the case though. |
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::I'll leave the draft as is for the time being, not sure if I can do anything to improve it right now, I'll keep an eye out for new sources. Thanks again! [[User:WikiAlexandra|WikiAlexandra]] ([[User talk:WikiAlexandra|talk]]) 16:55, 10 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:::I did a quick search and didn't come up with anything better. This topic is perhaps just not ripe enough for Wikipedia at this time. ~[[User:Kvng|Kvng]] ([[User talk:Kvng|talk]]) 17:15, 10 October 2024 (UTC) |
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== Pygame - links to tutorials == |
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Hello,<br>Please note that '''[[Audio editing software]]''', which is within this project's scope, has been selected as one of the '''[[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|Articles for improvement]]'''. The article is [[Wikipedia:Today's article for improvement/Schedule|scheduled]] to appear on Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:Community portal|Community portal]] in the "Articles for improvement" section for one week, beginning today. Everyone is encouraged to collaborate to improve the article. Thanks, and happy editing! <!-- Substituted from Template:AFI project notice --><br /> |
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<sub>Delivered by <!-- mbsig --><span style="font-family:sans-serif">— <b>[[User:MusikBot|<span style="color:black; font-style:italic">MusikBot</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]</sup></b></span><!-- mbdate --> 00:05, 15 May 2023 (UTC) on behalf of the AFI team</sub> |
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== Good article reassessment for [[IOS 10]] == |
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[[IOS 10]] has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the [[Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/IOS 10/1|reassessment page]]. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. [[User:Onegreatjoke|Onegreatjoke]] ([[User talk:Onegreatjoke|talk]]) 20:00, 7 June 2023 (UTC) |
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== Can anyone help improve [[Zeiss ZX1]] == |
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I wonder whether we should move [[Pygame]] tutorial links from references into (maybe subsection of?) external links? What do you guys think? |
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Hi all |
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Best wishes |
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I'd really appreciate anyone wanting to take a look at [[Zeiss ZX1]], its the only camera with Adobe Lightroom built in and one of very few which use Android as an OS. |
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-- [[User:Kaworu1992|Kaworu1992]] ([[User talk:Kaworu1992|talk]]) 12:58, 29 November 2024 (UTC) |
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== Does artificial intelligence art include music? == |
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You are invited to weigh in at [[Talk:Artificial intelligence art#Removal of section on AI-generated music etc]]. |
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The article used to be about art created by or substantially using AI in general. It has a small section other other art-forms like literature and the lead was changed a while ago to say that it's only about [[visual art]] (mainly images). |
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== Reliable source for [[Bush hid the facts]] bug == |
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Now there is a dispute whether or not a change of the lead from {{tq|'''Artificial intelligence art''' is visual artwork created or enhanced through the use of artificial intelligence (AI) programs.}} to {{tq|'''Artificial intelligence art''' is [[artwork]] created or enhanced through the use of [[artificial intelligence]] (AI) programs.<ref name="techtarget">{{cite web |title=What is AI Art and How is it Created? {{!}} Definition from TechTarget |url=https://www.techtarget.com/searchenterpriseai/definition/AI-art-artificial-intelligence-art |quote="Artificial intelligence art (AI art) is any form of art that has been created or enhanced with AI tools. Although commonly associated with visual art, such as images or videos, the term AI art also applies to music, writing and other creative forms."|website=techtarget |access-date=14 December 2024 |language=en}}</ref> This includes visual art, music,<ref>{{cite journal |last1=Millet |first1=Kobe |last2=Buehler |first2=Florian |last3=Du |first3=Guanzhong |last4=Kokkoris |first4=Michail D. |title=Defending humankind: Anthropocentric bias in the appreciation of AI art |journal=Computers in Human Behavior |date=1 June 2023 |volume=143 |pages=107707 |doi=10.1016/j.chb.2023.107707 |issn=0747-5632}}</ref><ref name="techtarget"/><ref>{{cite journal |last1=Tao |first1=Feng |title=A New Harmonisation of Art and Technology: Philosophic Interpretations of Artificial Intelligence Art |journal=Critical Arts |date=4 March 2022 |volume=36 |issue=1–2 |pages=110–125 |doi=10.1080/02560046.2022.2112725 |language=en |issn=0256-0046}}</ref><ref name="10.1016/j.chbah.2023.100004">{{cite journal |last1=Oksanen |first1=Atte |last2=Cvetkovic |first2=Anica |last3=Akin |first3=Nalan |last4=Latikka |first4=Rita |last5=Bergdahl |first5=Jenna |last6=Chen |first6=Yang |last7=Savela |first7=Nina |title=Artificial intelligence in fine arts: A systematic review of empirical research |journal=Computers in Human Behavior: Artificial Humans |date=1 August 2023 |volume=1 |issue=2 |pages=100004 |doi=10.1016/j.chbah.2023.100004 |issn=2949-8821 |quote=co-creative AI was preferred over didactic AI, and artists were the most critical of automation of creative work with AI. Tubadji et al. (2021) found that participants’ evaluations of AI-generated music were negatively influenced when they knew the music’s composer was an AI. This knowledge influenced the participants’ assessments of quality, causing them to shift away from AI-generated compositions and toward those humans created. Knowledge of the artwork’s creator was also connected to the participants’ assessment of the artwork}}</ref><ref>{{cite journal |last1=Epstein |first1=Ziv |last2=Hertzmann |first2=Aaron |title=Art and the science of generative AI |journal=Science |date=16 June 2023 |volume=380 |issue=6650 |pages=1110–1111 |doi=10.1126/science.adh4451|pmid=37319193 |arxiv=2306.04141|bibcode=2023Sci...380.1110E |quote=One prominent application thus far is the production of high-quality artistic media for visual arts, concept art, music, and literature, as well as video and animation. […] generative AI relies on training data made by people: the models 'learn' to generate art}}</ref><ref>{{cite news |title=Udio's AI music is my new obsession |url=https://www.pcworld.com/article/2302035/udios-ai-music-is-my-new-obsession.html |access-date=9 December 2024 |work=PCWorld |language=en}}</ref><ref>{{cite journal |last1=Núñez-Cacho |first1=Pedro |last2=Mylonas |first2=Georgios |last3=Kalogeras |first3=Athanasios |last4=Molina-Moreno |first4=Valentín |title=Exploring the transformative power of AI in art through a circular economy lens. A systematic literature review |journal=Heliyon |date=29 February 2024 |volume=10 |issue=4 |pages=e25388 |doi=10.1016/j.heliyon.2024.e25388 |doi-access=free |pmid=38384531 |pmc=10878876 |bibcode=2024Heliy..1025388N |issn=2405-8440 |quote=AI is used to autonomously create art or help artists create works, such as generating music, writing poetry, and painting.}}</ref><ref>{{cite journal |last1=Ma |first1=Xichu |last2=Wang |first2=Ye |last3=Kan |first3=Min-Yen |last4=Lee |first4=Wee Sun |title=AI-Lyricist: Generating Music and Vocabulary Constrained Lyrics |journal=Proceedings of the 29th ACM International Conference on Multimedia |date=17 October 2021 |pages=1002–1011 |doi=10.1145/3474085.3475502 |publisher=Association for Computing Machinery}}</ref><ref name="lyrics">{{cite web |last1=published |first1=Ryan Morrison |title=Suno v4 is out and this AI music generator is even better than I expected — listen for yourself |url=https://www.tomsguide.com/ai/suno-v4-is-out-and-this-ai-music-generator-is-even-better-than-i-expected-listen-for-yourself |website=Tom's Guide |access-date=10 December 2024 |language=en |date=20 November 2024}}</ref><ref>{{cite journal |last1=Cox |first1=Christopher |last2=Tzoc |first2=Elias |title=ChatGPT: Implications for academic libraries |journal=College & Research Libraries News |date=2023 |volume=84 |issue=3 |doi=10.5860/crln.84.3.99}}</ref> literature,<ref>{{cite journal |last1=Hitsuwari |first1=Jimpei |last2=Ueda |first2=Yoshiyuki |last3=Yun |first3=Woojin |last4=Nomura |first4=Michio |title=Does human–AI collaboration lead to more creative art? Aesthetic evaluation of human-made and AI-generated haiku poetry |journal=Computers in Human Behavior |date=1 February 2023 |volume=139 |pages=107502 |doi=10.1016/j.chb.2022.107502 |issn=0747-5632}}</ref><ref name="hai">{{cite web |title=Artists’ Perspective: How AI Enhances Creativity and Reimagines Meaning |url=https://hai.stanford.edu/news/artists-perspective-how-ai-enhances-creativity-and-reimagines-meaning |website=hai.stanford.edu |access-date=10 December 2024 |language=en |date=1 April 2021}}</ref> and other creative expressions generated or assisted by AI technologies.}} and the addition of a section about AI-generated music should stay reverted. |
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This old, formerly unexplained Windows bug has been explained completely in a recently published [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPShnuBSvBg YouTube video]. Unfortunately, the explanation in the Wikipedia article is wrong, and the YouTube article doesn't look like a suitable source. The video does say how to reproduce the bug though, which I believe hasn't been done before. Someone familiar with what sources might work in an article like this should have a look. Thanks! --[[User:Renerpho|Renerpho]] ([[User talk:Renerpho|talk]]) 19:36, 5 July 2023 (UTC) |
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Open file format has an RfC
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Open file format has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you.
MP4 file format has an RfC
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MP4 file format has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you.
ISO base media file format has an RfC
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ISO base media file format has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you.
Is a First-Time contributor qualified to write an article from scratch? (Topaz Labs)
[edit]Hello, my name is Asaf 👋🏻
I'm a 27 y/o male software engineer with 5 years of experience. I've recently become responsible for my company's internal documentation. I want to improve my knowledge and skills in this area, by contributing to Wikipedia & learning its style. I'm curious about how the Wikipedia editors' community views a first-time contributor like me. Am I qualified to write an article from scratch? perhaps I'm expected to clean up existing pages first?
Thanks in advance for any feedback 🙏🏻 Asaf.s.lumen (talk) 15:52, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not a wiki administrator, but I would say read MOS and BEBOLD, then go for it.
- If you're nervous then write the article in a SANDBOX and then ask for a review. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 17:33, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- We encourage working on existing articles before trying to write a new one but if you want to disregard that advice, you're free to. You need to be WP:AUTOCONFIRMED to create a new article directly in mainspace but anyone can use WP:AFC. ~Kvng (talk) 13:58, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
Project scope
[edit]Are articles covering concepts concerned with software design under the scope of this project? A couple of examples to gauge:
Could the extent be clarified more in the scope somehow? E.g. also including 'software development'? Tule-hog (talk) 01:49, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Good question. Based on what I see currently included in the project, I'd say yes to all of that. ~Kvng (talk) 14:41, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- The goals seem sufficiently stated ('all software-related articles'), so I have only boldly updated the scope. Might need further clarification. Tule-hog (talk) 17:57, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- I've expanded a bit further to include applications of various types and called out overlap with other projects for these. ~Kvng (talk) 18:11, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- The goals seem sufficiently stated ('all software-related articles'), so I have only boldly updated the scope. Might need further clarification. Tule-hog (talk) 17:57, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
Feedback on software draft
[edit]Hi! Looking for a bit of help with my Draft:DVT_IDE AfC. The initial submission was declined due to a lack of sufficient reliable secondary sources. With the help of the reviewer, I've added several such sources and rewrote part of the draft to ensure most of the content relies on them. I also completely removed references to the marketplaces where the IDE is available to minimize use of primary sources.
I've resubmitted the modified draft a few hours ago, but figured I'd open a topic here to see what else I might be able to improve, or if there's something specific to Software articles that I might've overlooked.
Thanks! WikiAlexandra (talk) 00:58, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- Declined again. Notability based on the sources you've cited is marginal. There's on paragraph in EDN. The other sources don't appear to be clearly WP:INDEPENDENT. AfC can be tighter than necessary. If you don't have a WP:COI you could consider moving this to mainspace yourself and see if it gets deleted. ~Kvng (talk) 14:48, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- Hey @Kvng, thanks for the feedback!
- I do have a COI (declared on the draft's talk page) which is why I used AfC in the first place, and I think it's only fair to refrain from circumventing it.
- With regards to sources, given the niche (software specific for electrical engineering), there's unfortunately a very limited number of online publications that I could use as reference (all the ones I proposed weren't considered reliable enough or were considered primary, so I decided to remove pretty much all of them to be safe). That left me with what I could find in conference proceedings, journals and textbooks which, to be honest, I though they would prove to be perceived as being more of a WP:RS than a web article or news story (especially when compared to what most similar articles have as references). Seems that wasn't the case though.
- I'll leave the draft as is for the time being, not sure if I can do anything to improve it right now, I'll keep an eye out for new sources. Thanks again! WikiAlexandra (talk) 16:55, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- I did a quick search and didn't come up with anything better. This topic is perhaps just not ripe enough for Wikipedia at this time. ~Kvng (talk) 17:15, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
Pygame - links to tutorials
[edit]Hi!
I wonder whether we should move Pygame tutorial links from references into (maybe subsection of?) external links? What do you guys think?
Best wishes -- Kaworu1992 (talk) 12:58, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
Does artificial intelligence art include music?
[edit]You are invited to weigh in at Talk:Artificial intelligence art#Removal of section on AI-generated music etc.
The article used to be about art created by or substantially using AI in general. It has a small section other other art-forms like literature and the lead was changed a while ago to say that it's only about visual art (mainly images).
Now there is a dispute whether or not a change of the lead from Artificial intelligence art is visual artwork created or enhanced through the use of artificial intelligence (AI) programs.
to Artificial intelligence art is artwork created or enhanced through the use of artificial intelligence (AI) programs.[1] This includes visual art, music,[2][1][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10] literature,[11][12] and other creative expressions generated or assisted by AI technologies.
and the addition of a section about AI-generated music should stay reverted.
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