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== Link to unabridged text == |
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The link to the "Full Short Story Text" <http://www.scaryforkids.com/the-monkeys-paw/> was to a page that, as the name of the site might suggest, contains a purged version of the story. I have replaced the link with this <http://www.americanliterature.com/Jacobs/SS/TheMonkeysPaw.html>. As I haven't read the story but on those two webpages, I can't absolutely vouch that either is unabridged, but the version at the new address I provide is certainly a few lines longer. Perhaps someone who has read the story in a reliable edition has something to say? [[Special:Contributions/93.144.5.255|93.144.5.255]] ([[User talk:93.144.5.255|talk]]) 23:50, 27 October 2011 (UTC) |
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:That is not the unabridged version: but this might be http://gaslight.mtroyal.ca/mnkyspaw.htm its several pages longer. But not sure if it contains the whole story[[User:MilkStraw532|MilkStraw532]] ([[User talk:MilkStraw532|talk]]) 23:56, 27 October 2011 (UTC) |
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::How is it several pages longer? Double spacing doesn't make it any longer. It's just the same as the version I suggested: <http://www.americanliterature.com/Jacobs/SS/TheMonkeysPaw.html> (and as the internal wikisource version, which ought to be unabridged). As for the version at <http://www.scaryforkids.com/the-monkeys-paw/> , this part is missing: "The old man turned and regarded her, and his voice shook. "He has been dead ten days, and besides he--I would not tell you else, but--I could only recognize him by his clothing. If he was too terrible for you to see then, how now?". [[Special:Contributions/93.144.5.255|93.144.5.255]] ([[User talk:93.144.5.255|talk]]) 13:43, 28 October 2011 (UTC) |
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== BBC radio adaptation from the 1940s == |
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Unlisted in this article is an adaptation of the story which must have been made by the BBC during the 1940s, since I recall my late father describing his recollection of the same many years later. In that version, they added the extra-gruesome sound effect of the reanimated (but still unseen) Herbert White dragging one leg on the ground as he approaches the door. |
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: Cool! But we need a source ... memory (as we all know) is a tricky thing. - [[User:DavidWBrooks|DavidWBrooks]] ([[User talk:DavidWBrooks|talk]]) 18:56, 9 April 2013 (UTC) |
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== Other media == |
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imdb lists a [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1345500/ 1978 film] as well. [[User:TheTyrant|TheTyrant]] ([[User talk:TheTyrant|talk]]) 03:23, 16 October 2014 (UTC) |
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== Mysterious ending == |
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I was wondering what Mr White wished for at the end of the story. Did he wish that he could cancel the second wish? [[User:AsphaltAssault17|AsphaltAssault17]] ([[User talk:AsphaltAssault17|talk]]) 12:18, 22 March 2016 (UTC) |
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:He probably would have wished his son safely dead and returned to his grave as before. |
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:Why didn't he wish that he had never asked for the £200 to begin with? [[User:Nuttyskin|Nuttyskin]] ([[User talk:Nuttyskin|talk]]) 00:07, 23 July 2018 (UTC) |
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What would that have solved? [[User:Hell pikachu|Hell pikachu]] ([[User talk:Hell pikachu|talk]]) 05:04, 28 January 2021 (UTC) |
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== Cultural Impact == |
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At the very least, there ought to be a section devoted to criticism of the story's cultural impact. There is a reason people keep remaking, parodying and referencing ''The Monkey's Paw'': because we all fear death, and above all we fear the deaths of our loved ones, particularly our children. |
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But the most terrifying thing is, that we all know that if that was ''our'' child, we ''would'' make the second wish, and ''not'' wish it away afterward; because ''nothing'' is worse than losing your child, and you would give ''anything'' to have them back, back from the gates of death, even looking like '''that!''' |
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And after two world wars, and a broken heartful of industrial accidents and drug overdoses and car crashes and deaths-by-misadventure, and young people going through life like they think they're immortal; it has proven to be a very recurrent theme, for the most tearful of reasons. [[User:Nuttyskin|Nuttyskin]] ([[User talk:Nuttyskin|talk]]) 00:28, 23 July 2018 (UTC) |
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::Be bold but only if you find a good source or two; otherwise it's just original research. - [[User:DavidWBrooks|DavidWBrooks]] ([[User talk:DavidWBrooks|talk]]) 16:23, 23 July 2018 (UTC) |
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:::I've always thought that it is primarily a cautionary tale about greed. Morris warns about wishing on the paw in the story. If you gave some people the paw today, they would immediately wish for a large sum of money, it is just human nature.--'''''[[User:ianmacm|<span style="background:#88b;color:#cff;font-variant:small-caps">♦Ian<span style="background:#99c">Ma<span style="background:#aad">c</span></span>M♦</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ianmacm|(talk to me)]]</sup>''''' 17:07, 23 July 2018 (UTC) |
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:::: I am not sure enough to post this for sure on the actual page(s), but I am wondering if this story, originally, was not an inspiration for Charles Addams' character, eventually named Thing. I posted this theory on Thing's talk page as well, but without confirmation from a reliable source, I am not sure it belongs on either wiki page. It did come out early enough in the 20th century that Charles Addams could have been aware of it. The story, according to the page, was first published in 1902, and Charles wasn't born until 1912. [[Special:Contributions/32.212.102.239|32.212.102.239]] ([[User talk:32.212.102.239|talk]]) 07:06, 1 November 2021 (UTC) |
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== Hatnote == |
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I have removed an enormously long hatnote that said "This article is missing information about the story's development/inspiration, publication history, response, themes, and legacy. Please expand the article to include this information." Hatnotes are visually distracting items that exist to alert readers about issues that they may need to keep in mind - e.g., this article doesn't have enough references, so be cautious! - they're not long notes to editors. That's what the Talk page is for. - [[User:DavidWBrooks|DavidWBrooks]] ([[User talk:DavidWBrooks|talk]]) 12:22, 15 June 2019 (UTC) |
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== Simpsons parody == |
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There is a subset of wikipedia editors who think that no article is complete until it lists something from the Simpsons cartoon. I've lost track of how many times some has added the Simpsons parody from their annual Halloween special to the list of versions. - [[User:DavidWBrooks|DavidWBrooks]] ([[User talk:DavidWBrooks|talk]]) 18:30, 20 February 2021 (UTC) |
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: If it is verifiable, and can be listed under something like "other media" or "cultural impact", then doesn't it qualify for mention? [[Special:Contributions/32.212.102.239|32.212.102.239]] ([[User talk:32.212.102.239|talk]]) 07:08, 1 November 2021 (UTC) |
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::You'd need a source that discusses it in more detail than merely verifying its existence per [[WP:IPCV]]. [[User:Doniago|DonIago]] ([[User talk:Doniago|talk]]) 01:51, 2 November 2021 (UTC) |
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== wonder woman == |
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The already long section titled "Notable versions in other media" is about places where "the story has been adapted" not merely referenced, and not a similar somebody-back-from-dead story. ''Wonder Woman 1984,'' the latest edition, is not a version of The Monkey's Paw although it references it; its got a "dreamstone" that has different powers than the paw and a different story. Ergo, I would say, it doesn't belong in what is already a section that borders on a trivia list. That's why I removed it and unless many object will remove it again. - [[User:DavidWBrooks|DavidWBrooks]] ([[User talk:DavidWBrooks|talk]]) 01:12, 17 July 2021 (UTC) |
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:No response, so out it goes! - [[User:DavidWBrooks|DavidWBrooks]] ([[User talk:DavidWBrooks|talk]]) 11:30, 20 July 2021 (UTC) |
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== Does Pet Sematary really belong here? == |
== Does Pet Sematary really belong here? == |
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# it is set up as a hypothetical ''if'', then the book would be a retelling... |
# it is set up as a hypothetical ''if'', then the book would be a retelling... |
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Having read the plot summary at Wikipedia here, it seems the novel may share some elements with, and/or have been inspired by "The Monkey's Paw", but the published result seems to stray very far from the narrative, enough that it cannot really be considered a ''version'' of the story. <small><sub>''signed'', </sub></small>[[User:Willondon|Willondon]] ([[User Talk:Willondon|talk]]) 20:32, 30 April 2023 (UTC) |
Having read the plot summary at Wikipedia here, it seems the novel may share some elements with, and/or have been inspired by "The Monkey's Paw", but the published result seems to stray very far from the narrative, enough that it cannot really be considered a ''version'' of the story. <small><sub>''signed'', </sub></small>[[User:Willondon|Willondon]] ([[User Talk:Willondon|talk]]) 20:32, 30 April 2023 (UTC) |
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== What about [[Monkeypaw Productions]]? == |
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According to https://www.avid.wiki/Monkeypaw_Productions, It was named after this tale. [[User:Chiagozie Elobuike|Chiagozie Elobuike]] ([[User talk:Chiagozie Elobuike|talk]]) 19:08, 10 November 2023 (UTC) |
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Does Pet Sematary really belong here?
[edit]Under Notable versions it says: "A 1983 Stephen King novel, Pet Sematary, is a retelling of the story." But I'm not sure the source supports that [1]. The source says "And then, if that family's two-year- old son were to fall victim to another passing truck. . . . The book would be a conscious retelling of W.W. Jacobs' "The Monkey's Paw," that enduring short story about parents who literally wish their son back from the dead. After King completed the first draft, the book [...] was put away." So:
- the reporting seems to be conjecture in Washington Post's voice, not King's
- it appears to refer to an initial draft, not the final novel
- it is set up as a hypothetical if, then the book would be a retelling...
Having read the plot summary at Wikipedia here, it seems the novel may share some elements with, and/or have been inspired by "The Monkey's Paw", but the published result seems to stray very far from the narrative, enough that it cannot really be considered a version of the story. signed, Willondon (talk) 20:32, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
What about Monkeypaw Productions?
[edit]According to https://www.avid.wiki/Monkeypaw_Productions, It was named after this tale. Chiagozie Elobuike (talk) 19:08, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
- Has a secondary source made note of this? DonIago (talk) 19:24, 10 November 2023 (UTC)