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== Requested move 22 November 2023 ==

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[[:Chŏllima 1]] → {{no redirect|Chollima-1}} – No sources that I know of refer to it as Chŏllima 1, only as Chollima-1, or in the Spanish source, Chollima 1. [[User:Mitch199811|<span style="color: goldenrod">✶Mitch</span>]][[User talk:Mitch199811|<span style="color: goldenrod">199811</span>]][[special:contributions/Mitch199811|<span style="color: goldenrod">✶</span>]] 15:26, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

:the english KCNA page also reffers to the rocket as Chollima-1, so i think the change would be fair. [http://www.kcna.kp/en/article/q/1eb1892a9d329f7cd348008b6bd315bd.kcmsf source] [[User:Karel Štípek|Karel Štípek]] ([[User talk:Karel Štípek|talk]]) 14:48, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
:Support. [[User:Celjski Grad|Celjski Grad]] ([[User talk:Celjski Grad|talk]]) 16:25, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
*'''Support''' as per above [[User:456legend|<span style="color:red;text-shadow:0.3em 0.2em 0.5em yellow;">'''456legend'''</span>]]([[User talk:456legend|talk]]) 13:39, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
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== Fourth Launch ==

The north korean news agency did not name the launcher for the May 27th 2024 launch, unlike the three previous launches. They only called it a "new-type satellite carrier rocket".
Furthermore, the report said that the preliminary conclusion is that it failed due to newly developped liquid oxygen-petroleum engines and that the launcher failed during its first stage ascent, while Kim Jong-Un said in a speech that "an abnormality in the first-stage engine" triggered the "self-destruct system." It follows that the first stage includes Liquid oxygen-Petroleum rocket engines.
This is unlike Chollima-1 which has exclusively hypergolic propulsion on its first stage.
Several South Korean analysts, experts and think tanks have taken the news seriously and do not dismiss this announcement, as such it cannot be considered exclusively as baseless propaganda. Therefore, it is possible that this launcher is either a significantly changed version of Chollima-1 or an entirely new launcher.

While there are not enough informations to warrant a new article, I believe that there is enough doubt to list this launch separately and write a paragraph describing the uncertainty about it.

The official report
http://kcna.kp/en/article/q/1eaaf37cec377d222bb28221ee13a2c2.kcmsf

Source for Kim Jong-Un's quote
https://www.nknews.org/2024/05/kim-jong-un-vows-to-overcome-failed-satellite-launch-at-military-academy-visit/

Articles mentionning South Korean analysts

https://m.munhwa.com/mnews/view.html?no=2024052801070630114001

https://www.wsj.com/world/asia/north-koreas-fiery-spy-satellite-test-shows-more-than-failure-d1b72e0f [[Special:Contributions/88.127.220.236|88.127.220.236]] ([[User talk:88.127.220.236|talk]]) 20:34, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 15:06, 30 May 2024

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Requested move 22 November 2023

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 14:09, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]


Chŏllima 1Chollima-1 – No sources that I know of refer to it as Chŏllima 1, only as Chollima-1, or in the Spanish source, Chollima 1. ✶Mitch199811 15:26, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

the english KCNA page also reffers to the rocket as Chollima-1, so i think the change would be fair. source Karel Štípek (talk) 14:48, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Celjski Grad (talk) 16:25, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Fourth Launch

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The north korean news agency did not name the launcher for the May 27th 2024 launch, unlike the three previous launches. They only called it a "new-type satellite carrier rocket". Furthermore, the report said that the preliminary conclusion is that it failed due to newly developped liquid oxygen-petroleum engines and that the launcher failed during its first stage ascent, while Kim Jong-Un said in a speech that "an abnormality in the first-stage engine" triggered the "self-destruct system." It follows that the first stage includes Liquid oxygen-Petroleum rocket engines. This is unlike Chollima-1 which has exclusively hypergolic propulsion on its first stage. Several South Korean analysts, experts and think tanks have taken the news seriously and do not dismiss this announcement, as such it cannot be considered exclusively as baseless propaganda. Therefore, it is possible that this launcher is either a significantly changed version of Chollima-1 or an entirely new launcher.

While there are not enough informations to warrant a new article, I believe that there is enough doubt to list this launch separately and write a paragraph describing the uncertainty about it.

The official report http://kcna.kp/en/article/q/1eaaf37cec377d222bb28221ee13a2c2.kcmsf

Source for Kim Jong-Un's quote https://www.nknews.org/2024/05/kim-jong-un-vows-to-overcome-failed-satellite-launch-at-military-academy-visit/

Articles mentionning South Korean analysts

https://m.munhwa.com/mnews/view.html?no=2024052801070630114001

https://www.wsj.com/world/asia/north-koreas-fiery-spy-satellite-test-shows-more-than-failure-d1b72e0f 88.127.220.236 (talk) 20:34, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]