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Announcement of reactionary policy on American/Israeli electronic products/services

Did the initial announcement come on the 13th or the 14th of August 2018, and does the proper translation add-up to "products and services" or just "products"? The announcement came through in English by a non-Asian newsmedia on the 14th, but did not mention Israeli electronic products and services.

Erdogan is a puppet of Israel.

"Erdogan"

Please write "Erdogan", not "Erdoğan". 81.215.232.167 (talk) 20:16, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why is that? A wp:reliable source on this? Adakiko (talk) 21:16, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Adakiko Per WP:USEENGLISH, English Wikipedia uses transliterated names to ensure accessibility for English readers, while WP:LEAD allows original scripts in the lead for authenticity and pronunciation. Additionally, the BBC^[1] is a proponent of this practice and meets Wikipedia:Reliable sources. James Bateaux (talk) 13:15, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@James Bateaux: Please make an wp:edit request or start a discussion on this in a new section to change the spelling. Please use help:notifications and ping users who have made contributions to the article or talk page. Also, suggest checking the archive such as here. Please add a {{talkref}} to keep the citation in this section; I added one below. Thank you Adakiko (talk) 19:43, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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^ "BBC Topic Page for Recep Tayyip Erdogan".

Place of birth

Sorry for my imprecise english language (I don't speak it very well, because i'm not from an english country). But I want to say that Recep Tayyip Erdoğan was born in Istanbul on February 26, 1954, not in Rize (you can see the site of Columbia University https://worldleaders.columbia.edu/directory/recep-tayyip-erdogan and the official website of the Turkish government https://www.tccb.gov.tr/receptayyiperdogan/biyografi/). Yours faithfully. 2A02:B027:F02:7329:D1F1:28B9:E550:3B46 (talk) 20:01, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've made the requested change. --Lambiam 21:52, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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On March 8, 2024, he declared that he would retire once his presidential term ended. [1], [2] 2001:4645:B0B3:0:5CDD:7020:D089:29F3 (talk) 23:53, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 22:29, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are no honorary titles in Türkiye.

Royalty titles, religious titles and any kind of honorary titles that implies social status difference are banned in Türkiye with the law number 2590. No any citizen can’t have any personal title except the name of their official occupation. Which is only used for his position in that state office, not used as any kind of official identity.

“Cumhurbaşkanı” in Turkish is a combination of words cumhur which means public; and başkan which means president, chief, head, chairman etc. In Turkish used as main translation of “President”.

“His Excellency” should be removed. If there will be a title section it can be something like “Chairman of Republic”, “Head of Republic”. Just using “President” or “Cumhurbaşkanı” is also acceptable. And it should be added to every single Turkish president.

However, I think that section should be removed because; -There is no existing title that can be used except his occupation -He is not a historical figure -He is just an elected president, he shouldn’t have any specific recognition rather than that.

 Wikipedia page

Official document of the law Yarluq20 (talk) 16:27, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] "BBC Topic Page for Recep Tayyip Erdogan".

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 Did the initial announcement come on the 13th or the 14th of August 2018, and does the proper translation add-up to "products and services" or just "products"? The announcement came through in English by a non-Asian newsmedia on the 14th, but did not mention Israeli electronic products and services.
+: Erdogan is a puppet of Israel.
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+== "Erdogan" ==
-== Phonetic transcription of name? ==
+Please write "Erdogan", not "Erdoğan". [[Special:Contributions/81.215.232.167|81.215.232.167]] ([[User talk:81.215.232.167|talk]]) 20:16, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
-Could someone with knowledge of Turkish and Turkish orthography please add a phonetic transcription to the lede of this article? - [[User:Dave314159|D''π'']] ([[User talk:Dave314159|talk]]) 12:54, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
+:Why is that? A [[wp:reliable source]] on this? [[User:Adakiko|Adakiko]] ([[User talk:Adakiko|talk]]) 21:16, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
+::@[[User:Adakiko|Adakiko]] Per [[WP:USEENGLISH]], English Wikipedia uses transliterated names to ensure accessibility for English readers, while [[WP:LEAD]] allows original scripts in the lead for authenticity and pronunciation. Additionally, the [[BBC]]<ref>{{Cite web|title=BBC Topic Page for Recep Tayyip Erdogan|url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/topics/cdl8n2edeplt}}</ref> is a proponent of this practice and meets [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources]]. [[User:James Bateaux|James Bateaux]] ([[User talk:James Bateaux|talk]]) 13:15, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
+:::{{yo|James Bateaux}} Please make an [[wp:edit request]] or start a discussion on this in a new section to change the spelling. Please use [[help:notifications]] and ping users who have made contributions to the article or talk page. Also, suggest checking the archive such as [[Talk:Recep_Tayyip_Erdoğan/Archive_6#Spelling|here]]. Please add a {{tl|talkref}} to keep the citation in this section; I added one below. Thank you [[User:Adakiko|Adakiko]] ([[User talk:Adakiko|talk]]) 19:43, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
+{{talkref}} <!-- LEAVE THIS AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS SECTION AND ADD TALK ABOVE -->
-== Spelling style ==
-Looking at the spelling style in the article, it was mixed. It seemed most consistent with [[Oxford spelling]], so I labelled it with {{tl|Use Oxford spelling}} and began adjusting it to be more consistent in that direction (see [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Recep_Tayyip_Erdo%C4%9Fan&diff=1158374062&oldid=1158369246 this diff]). However, it also contained some distinctly [[American spelling]], and a bit of non-Oxford [[British spelling]]. Which variety of English spelling is most used in Turkey? I notice that at least one web page published by the Turkish government ([https://web.archive.org/web/20171208103134/http://www.invest.gov.tr/EN-US/INVESTMENTGUIDE/INVESTORSGUIDE/EMPLOYEESANDSOCIALSECURITY/Pages/TermsOfEmployment.aspx found here]) uses the distinctly American spelling of ''labor''. Another recent government  pronouncement ([https://www.mfa.gov.tr/message-by-he-mevlut-cavusoglu--minister-of-foreign-affairs-of-turkiye--on-the-occasion-of-9-may-europe-day.en.mfa found here]) contains both ''finali'''z'''ation'' and ''instrumentali'''s'''ed'' in the same sentence. —⁠ ⁠[[User:BarrelProof|BarrelProof]] ([[User talk:BarrelProof|talk]]) 18:08, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
-* {{reply to|BarrelProof}} While the government doesn't seem to have a clear and consistent preference, there's a slight tendency towards using the American spellings. – [[User:Anlztrk|anlztrk]] ([[User talk:Anlztrk#top|talk]]) 10:52, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 == Place of birth ==
+Sorry for my imprecise english language (I don't speak it very well, because i'm not from an english country). But I want to say that Recep Tayyip Erdoğan was born in Istanbul on February 26, 1954, not in Rize (you can see the site of Columbia University https://worldleaders.columbia.edu/directory/recep-tayyip-erdogan and the official website of the Turkish government https://www.tccb.gov.tr/receptayyiperdogan/biyografi/). Yours faithfully. [[Special:Contributions/2A02:B027:F02:7329:D1F1:28B9:E550:3B46|2A02:B027:F02:7329:D1F1:28B9:E550:3B46]] ([[User talk:2A02:B027:F02:7329:D1F1:28B9:E550:3B46|talk]]) 20:01, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
-President Erdogan's birthplace is stated as [[Istanbul]] province in [[President of Turkey|Presidency]] and [[AK Party]] sources. But in his early years and education department, it was written as he was born in [[Güneysu]], [[Rize]] and moved to Istanbul. [[User:Fatihoztrk950|Fatihoztrk950]] ([[User talk:Fatihoztrk950|talk]]) 18:47, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
+:{{done|}} I've made the requested change. &nbsp;--[[User talk:Lambiam#top|Lambiam]] 21:52, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
+== Semi-protected edit request on 8 March 2024 ==
+{{Edit semi-protected|Recep Tayyip Erdoğan|answered=yes}}
+On March 8, 2024, he declared that he would retire once his presidential term ended. [https://sg.news.yahoo.com/erdogan-says-march-local-elections-204706017.html], [https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/turkeys-erdogan-says-march-election-will-be-his-final-state-media-reports-2024-03-08/] [[Special:Contributions/2001:4645:B0B3:0:5CDD:7020:D089:29F3|2001:4645:B0B3:0:5CDD:7020:D089:29F3]] ([[User talk:2001:4645:B0B3:0:5CDD:7020:D089:29F3|talk]]) 23:53, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
+:[[File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a [[WP:EDITXY|"change X to Y" format]] and provide a [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable source]] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] ([[User talk:M.Bitton|talk]]) 22:29, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
+== There are no honorary titles in Türkiye. ==
+Royalty titles, religious titles and any kind of honorary titles that implies social status difference are banned in Türkiye with the law number 2590. No any citizen can’t have any personal title except the name of their official occupation. Which is only used for his position in that state office, not used as any kind of official identity.
+“Cumhurbaşkanı” in Turkish is a combination of words cumhur which means public; and başkan which  means president, chief, head, chairman etc. In Turkish used as main translation of “President”.
+“His Excellency” should be removed. If there will be a title section it can be something like “Chairman of Republic”, “Head of Republic”. Just using “President” or “Cumhurbaşkanı” is also acceptable. And it should be added to every single Turkish president.
+However, I think that section should be removed because;
+-There is no existing title that can be used except his occupation
+-He is not a historical figure
+-He is just an elected president, he shouldn’t have any specific recognition rather than that.
+  [https://tr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A2kap_ve_Unvanlar%C4%B1n_Kald%C4%B1r%C4%B1lmas%C4%B1_Hakk%C4%B1ndaki_Kanun Wikipedia page]
-== Requested move 1 September 2023 ==
-{{requested move/dated|Tayyip Erdoğan}}
+[https://www.mevzuat.gov.tr/MevzuatMetin/1.3.2590.pdf Official document of the law] [[User:Yarluq20|Yarluq20]] ([[User talk:Yarluq20|talk]]) 16:27, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
-[[:Recep Tayyip Erdoğan]] → {{no redirect|Tayyip Erdoğan}} – The name 'Recep' is only a forename, can and often is omitted in mentions of him, no other notable ''Tayyip Erdoğan'' exists so it's clearly the primary topic and needs no disambiguation. – [[User:Anlztrk|anlztrk]] ([[User talk:Anlztrk#top|talk]]) 11:09, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
-*'''Oppose''' not sure what this rationale is based on - English news sources consistently refer to him either by the full name or surname only. – [[user:filelakeshoe|filelakeshoe]] ([[user talk:filelakeshoe|t]] / [[special:contributions/filelakeshoe|c]]) [[user:filelakeshoe/kocour|🐱]] 11:16, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
-*'''Oppose''', clearly the commonly used name. --[[User:TU-nor|T*U]] ([[User talk:TU-nor|talk]]) 12:54, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
-:'''Oppose''' per others and snow close. [[User:Killuminator|Killuminator]] ([[User talk:Killuminator|talk]]) 14:44, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
-:'''Oppose''' per [[WP:COMMONNAME]]. I did not see a source that used ''Tayyip Erdoğan'' alone. [[User:Parham wiki|Parham wiki]] ([[User talk:Parham wiki|talk]]) 17:42, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
-:'''Oppose move.''' "Recep" is commonly used as part of his name. '''[[User:Old Naval Rooftops|<span style="color:#002244">O.N.R.</span>]]'''&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Old Naval Rooftops|<span style="color:#002244">(talk)</span>]]</sup> 23:06, 1 September 2023 (UTC)