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== Johnny Hotbody (ECW) == |
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Why was Johnny Hotbody removed? The RVD thing is understandable because there’s no clear consensus on if WWECW counts, but Hotbody won all three belts in the original ECW, and has been listed for years. Why was he suddenly removed? |
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Also, I believe that even though RVD (ECW) and Big Show (WCW) shouldn’t be listed, it should be noted that both won the respective titles needed for triple crowns, but after the companies closed and WWE continued using certain championships. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/97.127.171.30|97.127.171.30]] ([[User talk:97.127.171.30#top|talk]]) 18:58, 4 July 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:I removed since... there is no source. Several websites cited Whipwreck as the first ECW Triple Crown champion. --[[User:HHH Pedrigree|HHH Pedrigree]] ([[User talk:HHH Pedrigree|talk]]) 19:43, 14 July 2019 (UTC) |
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[http://shop.wwe.com/the-revival-triple-crown-tag-team-champions-20-x-24-commemorative-plaque/2591F493A8.html?dwvar_2591F493A8_color=No%20Color Just stumbled on to this at WWE Shop], where the Revival are recognized as Triple Crown Tag Team Champions (Raw, SD, NXT). |
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Was wondering if this is good enough for it to be added to the article before we do all kinds of changes. |
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[[User:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] [[user talk:Vjmlhds|(talk)]] 21:39, 4 January 2020 (UTC) |
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:Mmmm, I would prefer a better source, instead merchandaising. It's strage, I made a quick research and I found no mention of Triple Crown Tag Team Championship n the reliable sources. Even isn't mentioned in WWE.com --[[User:HHH Pedrigree|HHH Pedrigree]] ([[User talk:HHH Pedrigree|talk]]) 00:19, 6 January 2020 (UTC) |
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::For what it's worth, '''EVERYTHING''' WWE (or any wrestling company) does can be tied into merchandise (everybody is in business to make a buck). If WWE wants you to spend a hundred bucks and change to buy a plaque honoring their achievement, it's gotta mean something - no? [[User:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] [[user talk:Vjmlhds|(talk)]] 19:26, 6 January 2020 (UTC) |
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:::I know, but is strange that the Triple Crown only appears in merchandise. No mention in the programming, no notes on the website... --[[User:HHH Pedrigree|HHH Pedrigree]] ([[User talk:HHH Pedrigree|talk]]) 19:47, 15 January 2020 (UTC) |
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:::: [[User:Emily.lemk|Emily.lemk]] Added a section that was removed due to the source being unreliable, so if the WWE do ever declare it legitimate, we can just add it back. I do agree with [[User:Drummoe]] upon further consideration, because the rules of the Triple Crown haven't been established. Are Jason Jordan and Chad Gable not considered, since they have one all three? or does it apply exclusively to tag teams [[User:Emily.lemk|Emily.lemk]] ([[User talk:Emily.lemk|talk]]) 10:15, 30 January 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::I am a bit late to this discussion, sorry. January into February is my busiest time at work and my kids school vacation is in January not December, so I was busy with that. |
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:::::Anyway to the topic at hand, its interesting that it is the only place it appears. When discussing Bayley's Grand Slam at [[Grand_Slam_(professional_wrestling)#Bayley_-_Women's_Grand_Slam]] {{u|Vjmlhds}} brought up a WWE Shop item in that case as well and it seems to end that discussion (pinging {{u|JDC808}} who was involved there but stated they did not follow these pages as they may want to chime in also. |
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:::::According to [[WP:PW/RS]] 411Mania has limited reliability, and states "{{tq|Stay away from news articles that are crediting sources we consider unreliable.}}" They call them the first triple crown [https://411mania.com/wrestling/the-revivals-scott-dawson-time-leave-break/]. BR is listed as being used for "minor claims" which is open to interpretation, but they also referred to them as the first [https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2853878-the-real-winners-and-losers-from-wwe-clash-of-champions-2019#slide3]. |
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:::::In my opinion, if you just had 411Mania and BR, than the answer would be no. When you include those two PLUS the WWE Shop, I think it is enough to say we include it. Additionally since they are considered the first it means its only as a tag team, not individual like Jordan or Gable. - '''''[[User:Galatz|<span style="color: #000080">Galatz גאליץ</span>]][[User_talk:Galatz|<span style="color: #FF0000"><sup>שיחה Talk</sup></span>]]''''' 13:00, 30 January 2020 (UTC) |
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== Braun Strowman/Universal title == |
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::They confirmed the new titles were part of the Grand Slam in 2016, why would it not be the same here? You can’t win a Grand Slam with having a Triple Crown first anyway [[Special:Contributions/71.50.196.52|71.50.196.52]] ([[User talk:71.50.196.52|talk]]) 04:39, 9 June 2020 (UTC) |
::They confirmed the new titles were part of the Grand Slam in 2016, why would it not be the same here? You can’t win a Grand Slam with having a Triple Crown first anyway [[Special:Contributions/71.50.196.52|71.50.196.52]] ([[User talk:71.50.196.52|talk]]) 04:39, 9 June 2020 (UTC) |
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::It is time for someone to talk to WWE or someone close to them about this. We have 2 other people after Strowman becoming Grand Slam Champions and are not recognized as Triple Crown Champions. The Universal Title (by itself) should be considered a part of it. I know that this title and the WWE Championship are represented by one single belt at the moment. It is time for Strowman, Owens and Balor to be considered Triple Crown Champions now. [[Special:Contributions/2600:4040:9DDB:4100:D851:EC67:EA2:22BA|2600:4040:9DDB:4100:D851:EC67:EA2:22BA]] ([[User talk:2600:4040:9DDB:4100:D851:EC67:EA2:22BA|talk]]) 17:20, 3 September 2023 (UTC) |
::It is time for someone to talk to WWE or someone close to them about this. We have 2 other people after Strowman becoming Grand Slam Champions and are not recognized as Triple Crown Champions. The Universal Title (by itself) should be considered a part of it. I know that this title and the WWE Championship are represented by one single belt at the moment. It is time for Strowman, Owens and Balor to be considered Triple Crown Champions now. [[Special:Contributions/2600:4040:9DDB:4100:D851:EC67:EA2:22BA|2600:4040:9DDB:4100:D851:EC67:EA2:22BA]] ([[User talk:2600:4040:9DDB:4100:D851:EC67:EA2:22BA|talk]]) 17:20, 3 September 2023 (UTC) |
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== Ring of Honor == |
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If ROH counts any combination of TV, Tag and Pure shouldn't they all be listed as "Secondary" titles? As the table stands it would look as if someone that had won the World, TV and Pure (does anyone like that exist?) they wouldn't qualify. [[Special:Contributions/2A00:23C6:760A:7F01:71F9:DFD0:1F62:5DC|2A00:23C6:760A:7F01:71F9:DFD0:1F62:5DC]] ([[User talk:2A00:23C6:760A:7F01:71F9:DFD0:1F62:5DC|talk]]) 16:33, 24 May 2020 (UTC) |
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== Bret Hart == |
== Bret Hart == |
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::Shouldn't the Digital Media Championship be considered a part of the Grand Slam for the men? [[Special:Contributions/2600:4040:9DDB:4100:5909:2208:98A0:49B5|2600:4040:9DDB:4100:5909:2208:98A0:49B5]] ([[User talk:2600:4040:9DDB:4100:5909:2208:98A0:49B5|talk]]) 04:43, 13 September 2023 (UTC) |
::Shouldn't the Digital Media Championship be considered a part of the Grand Slam for the men? [[Special:Contributions/2600:4040:9DDB:4100:5909:2208:98A0:49B5|2600:4040:9DDB:4100:5909:2208:98A0:49B5]] ([[User talk:2600:4040:9DDB:4100:5909:2208:98A0:49B5|talk]]) 04:43, 13 September 2023 (UTC) |
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:::It depends on what TNA decides. [[Special:Contributions/108.21.200.89|108.21.200.89]] ([[User talk:108.21.200.89|talk]]) 22:42, 16 April 2024 (UTC) |
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== Chad Gable == |
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Apparently references within the promotion's actual continuity aren't good enough for {{personal attack removed}} Wikipedia. Whatever. [[User:Anonymous Contributor 012786|Anonymous Contributor 012786]] ([[User talk:Anonymous Contributor 012786|talk]]) 22:05, 17 May 2023 (UTC) |
Apparently references within the promotion's actual continuity aren't good enough for {{personal attack removed}} Wikipedia. Whatever. [[User:Anonymous Contributor 012786|Anonymous Contributor 012786]] ([[User talk:Anonymous Contributor 012786|talk]]) 22:05, 17 May 2023 (UTC) |
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I’m glad to see Kenny was finally added, but the section should be similar to ROH’s where it has World and then Secondary titles including TNT and International as that’s clearly how Tony Khan is handling Triple Crowns for either company. World plus any two of the others. [[Special:Contributions/98.55.1.77|98.55.1.77]] ([[User talk:98.55.1.77|talk]]) 22:39, 21 January 2024 (UTC) |
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:If it is so clear, then it must have reliable sources. Eddie Kingston being a Triple Crown champion is more prominent over Kenny Omega. [[User:BinaryBrainBug|BinaryBrainBug]] ([[User talk:BinaryBrainBug|talk]]) 11:46, 26 January 2024 (UTC) |
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::That's a different meaning if "triple crown". Eddie's triple crown is about holding three titles at once, whereas Kenny's is about a career achievement of holding a certain set of titles across the years. [[User:Oknazevad|oknazevad]] ([[User talk:Oknazevad|talk]]) 13:14, 26 January 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Exactly. Not to mention Eddie isn’t a Triple Crown champion, he’s explicitly the Continental Crown Champion. [[Special:Contributions/2601:281:D480:2FE4:5439:BE8:E5DB:C27E|2601:281:D480:2FE4:5439:BE8:E5DB:C27E]] ([[User talk:2601:281:D480:2FE4:5439:BE8:E5DB:C27E|talk]]) 05:40, 27 January 2024 (UTC) |
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::::Cannot find a reliable source for Omega. Besides, the lead section needs some clarification, as it states "specifically, a world championship, another singles championship, and a tag team championship.", which ROH and now AEW doesn't seem to follow. [[User:BinaryBrainBug|BinaryBrainBug]] ([[User talk:BinaryBrainBug|talk]]) 21:53, 27 January 2024 (UTC) |
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:This has not been defined. The only definite path to the Triple Crown is World/Tag/Trios. With ROH they are just being consistent with the previous rules of the company’s triple crown/grand slam [[User:BadGirlRyleigh|BadGirlRyleigh]] ([[User talk:BadGirlRyleigh|talk]]) 20:15, 5 February 2024 (UTC) |
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Kenzie Paige is apparently the first NWA Triple Crown winner (female or otherwise) for winning the Women’s World, Women’s TV, and Women’s Tag titles. This has been reflected on their website and on instagram, so she and by default the (modern) NWA should be added. [[Special:Contributions/98.55.1.77|98.55.1.77]] ([[User talk:98.55.1.77|talk]]) 22:36, 21 January 2024 (UTC) |
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== Add Cody Rhodes == |
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Cody is now a Triple Crown Champion since he won the WWE Championship at WM40. He already held the IC Championship and has held the Raw/SmackDown Tag Titles & the World Tag Team Championship in the past [[Special:Contributions/2601:806:C300:3140:48C2:BC90:CCF2:5A5|2601:806:C300:3140:48C2:BC90:CCF2:5A5]] ([[User talk:2601:806:C300:3140:48C2:BC90:CCF2:5A5|talk]]) 02:58, 8 April 2024 (UTC) |
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== World Tag Team Title Link Adjustment == |
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For the table containing the WWE Triple Crown winners, it appears that both the WWF/World Tag Team and WWE/Raw Tag Team title links go to the same page for the new (2024) World Tag Team Titles. Be reminded that the old WWF/WWE World Tag Team titles (1971-2010) do not share the same lineage with the new World Tag Team titles. The new World Tag Team titles have a lineage that traces back to the original WWE Tag Team titles that came out in 2002. That history is tied to those titles. The links should be separate. Clicking on the WWF/World Tag Team titles link in the table should go here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Tag_Team_Championship_(WWE,_1971–2010) |
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while clicking on the WWE/Raw Tag Team titles link in the table should go here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Tag_Team_Championship_(WWE) [[Special:Contributions/108.21.200.89|108.21.200.89]] ([[User talk:108.21.200.89|talk]]) 15:27, 16 April 2024 (UTC) |
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Braun Strowman/Universal title
[edit]I know it’s gonna need to be sourced eventually to be on here, but Braun Strowman has won the Universal, Intercontinental, & Raw Tag belts. If the Universal title counts for the Grand Slam (we know WWE says it does), shouldn’t it also count for the Triple Crown? Thus Braun would the 31st person to win it and Drew would be 32nd — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.50.55.142 (talk) 03:11, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
- The WWE needs to confirm it for the Triple Crown, and currently they have not. (User:Jacked14) 09:07 7 April 2020 (UTC)
- They confirmed the new titles were part of the Grand Slam in 2016, why would it not be the same here? You can’t win a Grand Slam with having a Triple Crown first anyway 71.50.196.52 (talk) 04:39, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
- It is time for someone to talk to WWE or someone close to them about this. We have 2 other people after Strowman becoming Grand Slam Champions and are not recognized as Triple Crown Champions. The Universal Title (by itself) should be considered a part of it. I know that this title and the WWE Championship are represented by one single belt at the moment. It is time for Strowman, Owens and Balor to be considered Triple Crown Champions now. 2600:4040:9DDB:4100:D851:EC67:EA2:22BA (talk) 17:20, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
Bret Hart
[edit]Is it worth mentioning that he's the only wrestler to have held both the WWF and WCW triple crown? And where should this be placed in the article? Romomusicfan (talk) 17:43, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
- Only? No. First? Yes. 2601:281:D480:2FE4:ED36:D1A0:DAF2:7799 (talk) 12:25, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
Knockouts Triple Crown
[edit]I do believe this should be sufficient to show that Impact has now established a Knockouts Triple Crown with Jordynne Grace as the first winner, having held the Knockouts, Knockouts Tag Team, and now the (intergender) Digital Media Championships. Vjmlhds (talk) 14:32, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
- Oh yeah. Let's go Thick Mama Pump — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.40.25.172 (talk) 07:56, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
- Shouldn't the Digital Media Championship be considered a part of the Grand Slam for the men? 2600:4040:9DDB:4100:5909:2208:98A0:49B5 (talk) 04:43, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
- It depends on what TNA decides. 108.21.200.89 (talk) 22:42, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Shouldn't the Digital Media Championship be considered a part of the Grand Slam for the men? 2600:4040:9DDB:4100:5909:2208:98A0:49B5 (talk) 04:43, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
Chad Gable
[edit]On Monday night raw 8/1/22, WWE put that he is a tag team triple crown champion when he was on his way to the ring with the info/name graphic. should this be considered as cannon and make an Individual tag team Triple crown as well as the normal way to get a tag-team triple crown? and if so we would also have to add Jason Jordan as he has held all eligible titles for a tag team triple crown. [1] Usa409 (talk) 19:44, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
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AEW Triple Crown
[edit]Tony Khan said in the post All Out media scrum (during his solo portion at the end) that Kenny Omega is a triple crown champion for holding the Men’s World, World Tag Team, and World Trios titles BadGirlRyleigh (talk) 07:35, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Omega was again referred to as a Triple Crown winner at All Out by Justin Roberts, as well as being the only one so far BadGirlRyleigh (talk) 01:17, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
Not sure how that link from a different subject got added to mine BadGirlRyleigh (talk) 07:36, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Excalibur also mentioned it on commentary during the 8 February episode of Dynamite (can you tell who's a few months behind on their DVR? :D ) Anonymous Contributor 012786 (talk) 17:18, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
Apparently references within the promotion's actual continuity aren't good enough for (Personal attack removed) Wikipedia. Whatever. Anonymous Contributor 012786 (talk) 22:05, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
I’m glad to see Kenny was finally added, but the section should be similar to ROH’s where it has World and then Secondary titles including TNT and International as that’s clearly how Tony Khan is handling Triple Crowns for either company. World plus any two of the others. 98.55.1.77 (talk) 22:39, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
- If it is so clear, then it must have reliable sources. Eddie Kingston being a Triple Crown champion is more prominent over Kenny Omega. BinaryBrainBug (talk) 11:46, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- That's a different meaning if "triple crown". Eddie's triple crown is about holding three titles at once, whereas Kenny's is about a career achievement of holding a certain set of titles across the years. oknazevad (talk) 13:14, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- Exactly. Not to mention Eddie isn’t a Triple Crown champion, he’s explicitly the Continental Crown Champion. 2601:281:D480:2FE4:5439:BE8:E5DB:C27E (talk) 05:40, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- Cannot find a reliable source for Omega. Besides, the lead section needs some clarification, as it states "specifically, a world championship, another singles championship, and a tag team championship.", which ROH and now AEW doesn't seem to follow. BinaryBrainBug (talk) 21:53, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- Exactly. Not to mention Eddie isn’t a Triple Crown champion, he’s explicitly the Continental Crown Champion. 2601:281:D480:2FE4:5439:BE8:E5DB:C27E (talk) 05:40, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- That's a different meaning if "triple crown". Eddie's triple crown is about holding three titles at once, whereas Kenny's is about a career achievement of holding a certain set of titles across the years. oknazevad (talk) 13:14, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- This has not been defined. The only definite path to the Triple Crown is World/Tag/Trios. With ROH they are just being consistent with the previous rules of the company’s triple crown/grand slam BadGirlRyleigh (talk) 20:15, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
NWA Triple Crown
[edit]Kenzie Paige is apparently the first NWA Triple Crown winner (female or otherwise) for winning the Women’s World, Women’s TV, and Women’s Tag titles. This has been reflected on their website and on instagram, so she and by default the (modern) NWA should be added. 98.55.1.77 (talk) 22:36, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
Add Cody Rhodes
[edit]Cody is now a Triple Crown Champion since he won the WWE Championship at WM40. He already held the IC Championship and has held the Raw/SmackDown Tag Titles & the World Tag Team Championship in the past 2601:806:C300:3140:48C2:BC90:CCF2:5A5 (talk) 02:58, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
World Tag Team Title Link Adjustment
[edit]For the table containing the WWE Triple Crown winners, it appears that both the WWF/World Tag Team and WWE/Raw Tag Team title links go to the same page for the new (2024) World Tag Team Titles. Be reminded that the old WWF/WWE World Tag Team titles (1971-2010) do not share the same lineage with the new World Tag Team titles. The new World Tag Team titles have a lineage that traces back to the original WWE Tag Team titles that came out in 2002. That history is tied to those titles. The links should be separate. Clicking on the WWF/World Tag Team titles link in the table should go here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Tag_Team_Championship_(WWE,_1971–2010) while clicking on the WWE/Raw Tag Team titles link in the table should go here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Tag_Team_Championship_(WWE) 108.21.200.89 (talk) 15:27, 16 April 2024 (UTC)