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== New lead image == |
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Following suit with [[Dick Durbin]] and [[Bernie Sanders]], these outdated official portraits from a decade ago (for Feinstein its nearly two decades) should be replaced with recent images. Here's some potential replacements and let's vote as to whether we should change the image. I personally prefer D or G. --[[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 01:31, 6 October 2021 (UTC) |
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File:Dianne Feinstein, official Senate photo 2.jpg|Option A (current; 2004) |
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File:Dianne Feinstein 2018.jpg|Option B (2018) |
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File:Dianne Feinstein 2018 (1).jpg|Option C (2018) |
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File:Dianne Feinstein 2018 (2).jpg|Option D (2018) |
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File:Dianne Feinstein 2023 Headshot.jpg|Option E (2023) |
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File:CapitolXmasTreeLighting-WashingtonDC-030 (51719409875) (alt crop) (cropped).jpg|Option F (2022) |
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File:Dianne Feinstein for DREAMERS (cropped).jpg|Option G (2019) |
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:Seeing that this comment was ignored for several months, I went ahead and boldly set the lede image to option B. It seems to be modern enough, and it's a little more flattering than most other contemporary images of her. [[User:Mewnst|Mewnst]] ([[User talk:Mewnst|talk]]) 03:35, 7 June 2022 (UTC) |
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::I don't see the big deal the average reader isn't going to really care and Feinstein's appearance hasn't really change much since then. I would say we should always keep the official portrait as the lead image as we did with Jeanne Shaheen, eventually she will probably retire/die but she might finally take a new official portrait before then. But if we are so insistent about changing the main photo I would go with one that looks the most like an official photo, like B or C because she is smiling and looking directly into the camera. [[User:Putitonamap98|Putitonamap98]] ([[User talk:Putitonamap98|talk]]) 00:45, 17 December 2022 (UTC) |
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:::I think it does matter. Almost everyone will look very different after 19 years,especially in office. If you are a public servant we should know what you look like today not a 20 year old picture. As you can see Senator Feinstein looks a lot different from her photo from 2004 to what she looks like in 2023. I would vote for B or C, or maybe more recent picture? [[User:Cornersss|Cornersss]] ([[User talk:Cornersss|talk]]) 17:44, 6 February 2023 (UTC) |
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:Option D is a strong choice as well, slightly more resolution, more refined than a spontaneous group photograph. It might be the highest-quality modern image here. My previous comment is problematic, there's no need to try to hide her age or choose a photo for a woman on the grounds of which is more beautiful. I will be boldly switching the image in the article to Option D. [[User:Mewnst|Mewnst]] ([[User talk:Mewnst|talk]]) 11:57, 7 June 2022 (UTC) |
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:Politicians often neglect their own photos as an act of political deception. Using official photos only motivates politicians to never update their photos. The voters have the right to a modern picture. I think the following would be a fair policy: '''Use the official photo unless it pre-dates the current term (6 years for a US Senator); if the politicians do not like the modern photo chosen, the politicians are responsible for providing a modern ''official'' photo'''. Personally, I think Option D is too old, and I would go with Option E, but if I am not allowed to use Option E, I would go with Option D. Option A is completely unacceptable at this point; a 19 year old photo is too outdated. [[User:technojoe|technojoe]] ([[User talk:technojoe|talk]]) 23:14, 11 May 2023 (UTC) |
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::While I agree the image is outdated, there is no consensus yet to replace the image with an approved image. Furthermore, the image you proposed (option E) is possible copyvio. Do not change the infobox image until a clear consensus is reached AND with an image that the community approves of. Until then, the old portrait remains. [[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 23:37, 11 May 2023 (UTC) |
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:::{{u|Technojoe}}, you claim Option E as your "own work". Where was the photo taken? What camera did you use? Where is the metadata for this photo? Are you the copyright holder? [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 02:02, 18 May 2023 (UTC) |
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::::I have [[:c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Dianne Feinstein 2023 Headshot.jpg|nominated this image for deletion]] on Commons. It looks like Technojoe has falsely claimed a photo to be his own work that is [https://www.vox.com/politics/2023/4/13/23681758/dianne-feinstein-calls-to-resign-age-judges elsewhere] (in mirrored form) credited to Getty Images. Regards, [[User:HaeB|HaeB]] ([[User talk:HaeB|talk]]) 04:16, 20 May 2023 (UTC) |
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*I like '''option A'''. Just like we wouldn't pick a picture of her as a teenager for the lead, we shouldn't choose a pic where she ''look'' very old, because neither would be representative of how she looked when she was most notable. She was notable in the 80s, and is notable now, and option A is a good middle ground. It's the picture we would revert to after she dies anyway, based on common practice. So why not keep it now? [[User:DFlhb|DFlhb]] ([[User talk:DFlhb|talk]]) 04:47, 12 May 2023 (UTC) |
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*'''Support any up-to-date image'''. We typically revert back to images of people in their prime ''posthumously''. But using a decades-old photo in 2023 when she's still a living person is not ideal. <b style="font-family:Trebuchet MS">[[User:Vanilla Wizard|<b style="background-color:#07d;color:#FFF"> Vanilla </b>]][[User Talk:Vanilla Wizard|<b style="background-color:#749;color:#FFF"> Wizard </b>]]</b> [[Special:Contribs/Vanilla Wizard|💙]] 01:40, 18 May 2023 (UTC) |
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* Agreed that the use of image A as lead image is problematic at this point. '''B,C, F or G''' are all preferable over A. Another option would be [https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdmc/50520709932 this] high resolution photo from 2020. Regards, [[User:HaeB|HaeB]] ([[User talk:HaeB|talk]]) 04:29, 20 May 2023 (UTC) |
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*:If we don't go with A, I'd favour either this or option B. [[User:DFlhb|DFlhb]] ([[User talk:DFlhb|talk]]) 16:53, 21 May 2023 (UTC) |
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*:I agree, the image should be changed. Any of the options besides A are good. I personally prefer B. [[User:EvanSheppard|EvanSheppard]] ([[User talk:EvanSheppard|talk]]) 23:54, 15 July 2023 (UTC) |
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:https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8RHmYoA/ [[Special:Contributions/2603:6011:D02:407B:5569:8EE:EE95:17A7|2603:6011:D02:407B:5569:8EE:EE95:17A7]] ([[User talk:2603:6011:D02:407B:5569:8EE:EE95:17A7|talk]]) 04:42, 20 July 2023 (UTC) |
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*:I also '''agree to change to up to date image''' and see that this has been ongoing over 6mo with no change, and strangely there are now multiple more up to date photos in the main sections than the one in the infobox - If no objections we should just move the 2023 image in the main article text to the infobox. Any objection?[[User:Xyphoid|Xyphoid]] ([[User talk:Xyphoid|talk]]) 20:00, 6 August 2023 (UTC) |
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*Actually on review there are 8 positive responses to this proposal and 2 negative over 6 months so I would say a reasonable '''consensus''' has been reached and if no further objections I will reposition the 2023 photo currently in the article to the infobox. [[User:Xyphoid|Xyphoid]] ([[User talk:Xyphoid|talk]]) 21:18, 6 August 2023 (UTC) |
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::[[User:Xyphoid|Xyphoid]], I'm confused. First of all, I do not see any consensus above. Several editors mentioned multiple images that they would consider acceptable, making it difficult to discern a consensus around one individual image. Second, you are suggesting using the 2023 image that is currently displayed in the article; however, that image is not one of the six choices that have been provided in this thread, and I don't see any other editors expressing support for it. |
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::With respect, it seems premature to replace the existing image. I'd suggest: (a) adding the 2023 image you want to use and listing it as Option H at the top of this thread; (b) asking every editor who wants to weigh in on this question (whether or not they have already done so) to respond with the one image that is their first choice for lead image; and (c) requesting responses by a date certain. What do you think of that idea? [[User:MonMothma|MonMothma]] ([[User talk:MonMothma|talk]]) 03:19, 8 August 2023 (UTC) |
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:::[[User:MonMothma|MonMothma]], I'm a bit confused by ''your'' remarks, and I think that your suggestion is not a good idea. |
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:::Your demand that there must be {{tq|a consensus around one individual image}} before any change can be made and insistence that after almost two years of discussion it still {{tq|seems premature to replace the existing image}} is not supported by policy, in fact it veers pretty close to [[WP:STONEWALLING]]. This talk page section is not a formal RfC (which runs for a limited amount of time, during which one might ask to hold off on changes), but rather has been going on since October 2021. |
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:::What's more, at this point I see a pretty clear consensus above ''against'' the 2004 photo (option A). Hence I have just switched the infobox to option C, which saw some support and no opposition above, and also has the advantage that it was [https://twitter.com/SenFeinstein/status/1073690601554669568 published by Feinstein herself] (or her office), which should alleviate any concerns some may have about consent, however tenuous they may be. |
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:::People should feel free to continue this discussion and select another recent option instead. However, do ''not'' revert to option A {{tq| without (a) stating a substantive rationale based in policy, guidelines and conventions or (b) participating in good faith discussion}}, per [[WP:STONEWALLING]]. |
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:::Regards, [[User:HaeB|HaeB]] ([[User talk:HaeB|talk]]) 05:08, 8 August 2023 (UTC) |
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::::Again I '''support any up-to-date image''' and agree with @[[User:HaeB|HaeB]] above. |
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::::Keeping lead image up to date is the basic standard for biographical articles of living persons, and it is not clear to me why a select panel of images and community vote on the best image is even required or was initiated in the first place, in the absence of community conflict on the issue, as there can be no concerns about vandalism or bias from using an up to date image. |
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::::I can see HaeB has changed to option C from 2018 and think this should be retained. It seems highly nonsensical to revert from a 4 year old image to a 19 year old image in the interests of 'waiting for a further consensus to form'. [[User:Xyphoid|Xyphoid]] ([[User talk:Xyphoid|talk]]) 12:33, 8 August 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::[[User:HaeB|HaeB]], point of clarification: Contrary to what you said, I was not stonewalling (or coming close to stonewalling), and I did not make any demands. My point was simply this: Thus far, despite lengthy discussion, no consensus has formed around which image should be used as the lead image. Also, there was no support for the image suggested by [[User:Xyphoid|Xyphoid]], because that image wasn't even one of the options listed above. If other editors are OK with Option C, great. Problem solved. If not, we should keep trying to reach consensus so we can come up with a stable solution and avoid a potential edit war over the lead image. [[User:MonMothma|MonMothma]] ([[User talk:MonMothma|talk]]) 13:43, 8 August 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::: Option C is just fine, thanks. [[User:Einsof|Einsof]] ([[User talk:Einsof|talk]]) 06:07, 10 August 2023 (UTC) |
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* '''Support any up-to-date image''' per [[User:Vanilla Wizard]]. [[User:Einsof|Einsof]] ([[User talk:Einsof|talk]]) 01:04, 8 August 2023 (UTC) |
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== Artificial pacemaker - == |
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Why would anyone have an artificial pacemaker - as opposed to a real authentic one. What is an artificial pacemaker? I think she had a 'real' pacemaker inserted <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/97.103.122.94|97.103.122.94]] ([[User talk:97.103.122.94#top|talk]]) 12:27, 16 April 2022 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:The real pacemaker is part of the real heart; see [[Cardiac_pacemaker]]. The gizmo that is inserted to fix an improperly operating real one is an artificial pacemaker.[[User:Login54321|Login54321]] ([[User talk:Login54321|talk]]) 01:36, 9 November 2022 (UTC) |
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== President pro tempore == |
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Just a heads up. Barring anything unexpected, Feinstein is likely to be elected ''president pro tempore'' of the US Senate, in January 2023. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 06:04, 14 November 2022 (UTC) |
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:Not necessarily so, {{u|GoodDay}}. Selecting the longest serving member of the majority party is a tradition, not a Senate rule. According to the [https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/10/22/grassley-feinstein-senate-pro-tempore/ Washington Post], Feinstein has declared that she does not want the job. She is 89, after all. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 06:17, 14 November 2022 (UTC) |
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::I did say "barring anything unexpected". [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 06:19, 14 November 2022 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 4 January 2023 == |
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I need to extend Dianne Feinstein's 1990 Gubernatorial Campaign and Senate Career [[Special:Contributions/2607:9880:2158:FE:71A0:83C2:998A:2166|2607:9880:2158:FE:71A0:83C2:998A:2166]] ([[User talk:2607:9880:2158:FE:71A0:83C2:998A:2166|talk]]) 22:08, 4 January 2023 (UTC) |
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: [[File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a [[WP:EDITXY|"change X to Y" format]] and provide a [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable source]] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 23:18, 4 January 2023 (UTC) |
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== Senator Feinstein did not make a statement saying she is not running == |
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We should not assume she has dementia and her staff is correct. Her staff put out a tweet under her account saying she is not running in 2024 but Feinstein, herself, denied it. |
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https://www.newsweek.com/dianne-feinstein-contradicts-her-own-retirement-announcement-1781279 |
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Let's report the fact. In a few days, it may become clear what happened. [[User:KoreaOK|KoreaOK]] ([[User talk:KoreaOK|talk]]) 05:02, 15 February 2023 (UTC) |
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== Dementia Coverup == |
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Talk about sweeping dirt under the rug, hardly any mention in the article about her worsening dementia that has been extensively reported by multiple reliable sources. Wow. Who wrote this article, Sen Feinstein's office? --[[User:Westwind273|Westwind273]] ([[User talk:Westwind273|talk]]) 00:56, 13 April 2023 (UTC) |
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:Hello, Westwind273, welcome to Wikipedia! We hope you enjoy your stay and add valuable contributions to the community. You're encouraged to write the section yourself. Make sure to include multiple reputable sources and to accept revisions made by other users. Thank you! [[User:Listen1st|Listen1st]] ([[User talk:Listen1st|talk]]) 16:17, 14 April 2023 (UTC) |
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:Hi, I [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Dianne_Feinstein&diff=prev&oldid=1132852150 removed that section] in January since I believed [[Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard/Archive321#Dianne_Feinstein%27s_health|that the BLP noticeboard discussion]] showed no consensus to include — [[User:DFlhb|DFlhb]] ([[User talk:DFlhb|talk]]) 19:01, 28 April 2023 (UTC) |
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::Thanks for pointing to that. I read the entire discussion. We could probably Wikipedia-rule each other to death on this, but from a common sense point of view, many reliable source newspapers have published articles describing a decline in Senator Feinstein's mental health. It seems really weird that the Wikipedia article is forcibly silent on this. If you ever wonder why people accuse Wikipedia of having a left-wing bias, reflect on this article. [[User:Westwind273|Westwind273]] ([[User talk:Westwind273|talk]]) 03:37, 4 May 2023 (UTC) |
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:It's not a good approach to begin a request by insulting other editors. You never added it either, so why are you blaming anyone else? [[User:The Four Deuces|TFD]] ([[User talk:The Four Deuces|talk]]) 03:50, 4 May 2023 (UTC) |
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::::Her cognitive decline is discussed twice, at the end of the lead section, and in the section called "Health and job role capacity". Accordingly, accusations of "coverup" and "forcibly silent" are false. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 03:55, 4 May 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::The article includes references to six reliable sources that discuss her cognitive decline, five of which are liberal or left. So much for the spurious charge of "left-wing bias". [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 04:01, 4 May 2023 (UTC) |
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::::::Actually, I think the BLP noticeboard discussion hashes out this issue pretty thoroughly. As you can see, there are strong arguments on both sides. I would suggest a notice at the top of this talk page pointing to that archived discussion. [[User:Westwind273|Westwind273]] ([[User talk:Westwind273|talk]]) 04:09, 4 May 2023 (UTC) |
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::I did not intend an insult. I was seriously wondering if the senator's office was involved in editing this article. Now that I know people are pretty thin-skinned here, I will speak more gently. [[User:Westwind273|Westwind273]] ([[User talk:Westwind273|talk]]) 04:03, 4 May 2023 (UTC) |
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:::''Accuracy'' is what we expect, not erroneous politicized talking points. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 04:08, 4 May 2023 (UTC) |
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::::Everything I wanted to say has already been said in the BLP noticeboard discussion. I think you would agree that the arguments there are more than just politicized talking points. [[User:Westwind273|Westwind273]] ([[User talk:Westwind273|talk]]) 04:11, 4 May 2023 (UTC) |
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:::The inclusion of material in any article depends on the weight of coverage in reliable sources. Reliable sources exclude almost all conservative media. (Don't blame me, I voted against banning Fox News and the Daily Mail.) So the way to judge this article is whether it gives the same emphasis to these claims as the New York Times, CNN and MSNBC. Without a change in policy, we cannot provide greater weight than they do. |
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:::BTW if I wrote to you saying that you had swept dirt under the rug in the Marjorie Taylor Greene article and asked if she was paying you, would you find that insulting or is that just how you normally converse with people? [[User:The Four Deuces|TFD]] ([[User talk:The Four Deuces|talk]]) 13:23, 4 May 2023 (UTC) |
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== Senator Dick Durbin == |
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In Health and job capacity: |
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== Actions on September 28 == |
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''[[Dick Durbin]], who chairs the [[United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary]], on which Feinstein serves, told [[CNN]] that Feinstein's absences were slowing down the committee'' |
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Hours before she died; Senator Feinstein voted on the Senate floor for the last time, and later met with fmr Rep Jane Harman at Feinstein's home, around 5PM EST. I think these events are relevant and should be included in the section about her death. [[User:BlueOcean02|BlueOcean02]] ([[User talk:BlueOcean02|talk]]) 19:11, 29 September 2023 (UTC) |
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Could someone edit this to add Senator before Dick Durbin's name? [[User:Quickenedeasy|Quickenedeasy]] ([[User talk:Quickenedeasy|talk]]) 21:14, 16 May 2023 (UTC) |
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:That is not necessary since the rest of the sentence makes it clear that he is a Senator. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 20:10, 18 May 2023 (UTC) |
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:I don't know if these are encyclopedically significant enough events to warrant listing. [[User:DarmaniLink|DarmaniLink]] ([[User talk:DarmaniLink|talk]]) 19:53, 29 September 2023 (UTC) |
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== Why hasn't the picture been updated per the 2021 discussion above? == |
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::Maybe not, her final vote was on a continuing resolution to temporarily avert a shutdown, that might be relevant elsewhere I guess. [[User:BlueOcean02|BlueOcean02]] ([[User talk:BlueOcean02|talk]]) 20:09, 29 September 2023 (UTC) |
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:::It's certainly not relevant elsewhere. If anywhere, then here. [[User:Str1977|Str1977]] [[User talk:Str1977|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:10, 30 September 2023 (UTC) |
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::::It was just an idea for a page on the looming shutdown. No need to overreact. [[User:BlueOcean02|BlueOcean02]] ([[User talk:BlueOcean02|talk]]) 18:44, 30 September 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::People here sometimes respond with a tone that cuts the bullshit and can come off as curt and sharp. Please try not to take it personally. [[User:DarmaniLink|DarmaniLink]] ([[User talk:DarmaniLink|talk]]) 23:19, 30 September 2023 (UTC) |
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::::::I understand, but people should probably think a tiny bit more before they speak. You can cut the bullshit, without being overtly direct. [[User:BlueOcean02|BlueOcean02]] ([[User talk:BlueOcean02|talk]]) 16:40, 1 October 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::::It is frowned upon by some but if you take it personally you'll find yourself in more disputes than productive discussions. Best to just communicate, take the information, and roll with it and get back to making a better encyclopedia. :) [[User:DarmaniLink|DarmaniLink]] ([[User talk:DarmaniLink|talk]]) 01:53, 2 October 2023 (UTC) |
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::::Since you posted immediately under my comment: How was my comment "overreacting"? Also, what's wrong about stating a point directly. There was nothing personal in my comment at all. |
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::::In an article on the looming shutdown, Mrs Feinstein is just one of 100 Senators, not more or less important than others. It doesn't matter if it is a Senator's first or last vote. |
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::::Her casting her last vote however might be relevant here. After all it was HER last vote. It might merit inclusion that she voted so close before her death. OTOH, giving that the vote was such a transitionary one, I think in this case the value to the reader is very limited. [[User:Str1977|Str1977]] [[User talk:Str1977|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 09:11, 3 October 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::Honestly, if its mentioned at all, it should be in passing, in a manner that prioritizes she voted X hours before her reported time of death over what the vote actually is, and only stating that as a passing fact of the matter in passing. |
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:::::Something like (for example, i dont know the actual number and cant be assed to check) |
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:::::"9 hours before her death, she voted for what would be her last time on the senate floor on a measure regarding the prevention a shutdown." |
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:::::(obviously this is bad, its just what i could come up with in 15 seconds) |
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:::::Its a neat tidbit but I don't really see a place for it. [[User:DarmaniLink|DarmaniLink]] ([[User talk:DarmaniLink|talk]]) 01:40, 7 October 2023 (UTC) |
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::::::Which is why I refrenced placing it elsewhere, but the shutdown was avoided so it's pointless anyway. As for the meeting Jane Harman it could probably be mentioned in passing when discussing polticians who paid tribute to her, it's just an interesting thing to note. [[User:BlueOcean02|BlueOcean02]] ([[User talk:BlueOcean02|talk]]) 00:31, 9 October 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::With the utmost respect, writing a Mini Essay about how you didn't over react is literally the definition of over reacting. But anyway I can see your point, think before you speak in future, so this sort of nonsense doesn't happen again. [[User:BlueOcean02|BlueOcean02]] ([[User talk:BlueOcean02|talk]]) 00:34, 9 October 2023 (UTC) |
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::::::Honestly, a comment like this gives the impression of trolling. People can respond how they want, so long as they're not being profane or abusive. Lecturing people on tone will guarantee your edits do not get transcluded [[User:DarmaniLink|DarmaniLink]] ([[User talk:DarmaniLink|talk]]) 03:54, 9 October 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::::Respectfully, I'm not trolling, I just want discussions to be as civil and polite as possible. [[User:BlueOcean02|BlueOcean02]] ([[User talk:BlueOcean02|talk]]) 23:03, 9 October 2023 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 23 November 2023 == |
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This photo is almost 20 years out of date. Why did that topic stall? [[User:Aerovistae|Aerovistae]] ([[User talk:Aerovistae|talk]]) 20:04, 18 May 2023 (UTC) |
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:The discussion has been revived, {{u|Aerovistae}}, and there have been five comments this month. The most recent photo, Option E, has dubious licensing, and that needs to be worked out. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 20:08, 18 May 2023 (UTC) |
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::Picure still hasn't been changed. This isn't that complicated. [[Special:Contributions/73.60.215.239|73.60.215.239]] ([[User talk:73.60.215.239|talk]]) 02:09, 29 June 2023 (UTC) |
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Diane Feinstein entry states that “ the Supreme Court ruled against abortion rights “. What the court actually ruled was that abortion was not a constitutionally protected right but rather an issue that should be returned to the states. ( see Dobbs decision) [[Special:Contributions/74.98.241.41|74.98.241.41]] ([[User talk:74.98.241.41|talk]]) 04:56, 23 November 2023 (UTC) |
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:{{partly done|Partly done:}}<!-- Template:ESp --> I changed the text, per the source, to {{tq|the Supreme Court overturned ''[[Roe v. Wade]]''}} – [[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]] ([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 17:42, 23 November 2023 (UTC) |
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== Committee chairmanships on Feinstein's profile == |
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Please update ms Feinsteins photo. It is misleading, she is 90 years old and decrepit [[Special:Contributions/24.101.62.215|24.101.62.215]] ([[User talk:24.101.62.215|talk]]) 15:09, 29 May 2023 (UTC) |
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On the topic of including Feinstein's committee position's in the title, should we include all of her chairmanships and ranking memberships (including vice chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee) in the infobox? Are they specifically notable enough that inclusion in the lead is insufficient? |
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== Order within infobox == |
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Asking with reference to [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Politics/American politics#On organising the infoboxes of members of Congress|this (largely unfrequented) consensus question on the WikiProject Politics]] page. This is so we can apply any consensus reached to articles of other senior members of Congress. [[User:SuperWIKI|SuperWIKI]] ([[User talk:SuperWIKI|talk]]) 11:53, 19 January 2024 (UTC) |
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In the infobox, why is Feinstein's ''current'' position (US Senator from California, Incumbent) 4 positions down, and below 3 other expired positions that are junior to her position as senator? Shouldn't it be at the top? [[User:Grorp|Grorp]] ([[User talk:Grorp|talk]]) 00:47, 29 September 2023 (UTC) |
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== Diane Feinstein forgotten accomplishment == |
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== death in health section == |
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I have searched everywhere to find information of the incredible First-Time Homebuyer's Program Mayor Diane Feinstein instituted in the 1980s. I was a recipient of the program in 1981 at the Mariners Village Development in Hunters Point in San Francisco. The homes were the San Francisco Navy Shipyard enlisted sailors' homes from the 1940s, which rennovated and certified for occupancy in 1980/81. [[User:LoliLola19|LoliLola19]] ([[User talk:LoliLola19|talk]]) 21:24, 10 June 2024 (UTC) |
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Should we mention it there, or should we just [[WP:NOTYET]] it and wait for an official coroners report to come out [[User:DarmaniLink|DarmaniLink]] ([[User talk:DarmaniLink|talk]]) 13:28, 29 September 2023 (UTC) |
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== Gross negligence not listed == |
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:Official sources have confirmed it, so it belongs there. '''''[[User:MarioProtIV|MarioProtIV]]''''' (<sup>[[User talk:MarioProtIV|talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/MarioProtIV|contribs]]</sub>) 13:33, 29 September 2023 (UTC) |
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Why is there no section shown on this page about how she made a serious error of judgement by conducting a press conference to give out information about the Nightstalker case? An action that was severely berated by the authorities. [[User:Ciaobellaxo|Ciaobellaxo]] ([[User talk:Ciaobellaxo|talk]]) 05:06, 16 October 2024 (UTC) |
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==Last tweet== |
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Senator Feinstein sent out a long and elucidate tweet about the Nagorno-Karabakh situation right at the moment of her death. This is remarkable that someone taking their last breaths could do that. Should definitely be mentioned in the article. This woman is a legend. [[Special:Contributions/70.108.1.24|70.108.1.24]] ([[User talk:70.108.1.24|talk]]) 13:49, 29 September 2023 (UTC) |
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[edit]Hours before she died; Senator Feinstein voted on the Senate floor for the last time, and later met with fmr Rep Jane Harman at Feinstein's home, around 5PM EST. I think these events are relevant and should be included in the section about her death. BlueOcean02 (talk) 19:11, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- I don't know if these are encyclopedically significant enough events to warrant listing. DarmaniLink (talk) 19:53, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- Maybe not, her final vote was on a continuing resolution to temporarily avert a shutdown, that might be relevant elsewhere I guess. BlueOcean02 (talk) 20:09, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- It's certainly not relevant elsewhere. If anywhere, then here. Str1977 (talk) 11:10, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
- It was just an idea for a page on the looming shutdown. No need to overreact. BlueOcean02 (talk) 18:44, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
- People here sometimes respond with a tone that cuts the bullshit and can come off as curt and sharp. Please try not to take it personally. DarmaniLink (talk) 23:19, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
- I understand, but people should probably think a tiny bit more before they speak. You can cut the bullshit, without being overtly direct. BlueOcean02 (talk) 16:40, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
- It is frowned upon by some but if you take it personally you'll find yourself in more disputes than productive discussions. Best to just communicate, take the information, and roll with it and get back to making a better encyclopedia. :) DarmaniLink (talk) 01:53, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
- I understand, but people should probably think a tiny bit more before they speak. You can cut the bullshit, without being overtly direct. BlueOcean02 (talk) 16:40, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
- People here sometimes respond with a tone that cuts the bullshit and can come off as curt and sharp. Please try not to take it personally. DarmaniLink (talk) 23:19, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
- Since you posted immediately under my comment: How was my comment "overreacting"? Also, what's wrong about stating a point directly. There was nothing personal in my comment at all.
- In an article on the looming shutdown, Mrs Feinstein is just one of 100 Senators, not more or less important than others. It doesn't matter if it is a Senator's first or last vote.
- Her casting her last vote however might be relevant here. After all it was HER last vote. It might merit inclusion that she voted so close before her death. OTOH, giving that the vote was such a transitionary one, I think in this case the value to the reader is very limited. Str1977 (talk) 09:11, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
- Honestly, if its mentioned at all, it should be in passing, in a manner that prioritizes she voted X hours before her reported time of death over what the vote actually is, and only stating that as a passing fact of the matter in passing.
- Something like (for example, i dont know the actual number and cant be assed to check)
- "9 hours before her death, she voted for what would be her last time on the senate floor on a measure regarding the prevention a shutdown."
- (obviously this is bad, its just what i could come up with in 15 seconds)
- Its a neat tidbit but I don't really see a place for it. DarmaniLink (talk) 01:40, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
- Which is why I refrenced placing it elsewhere, but the shutdown was avoided so it's pointless anyway. As for the meeting Jane Harman it could probably be mentioned in passing when discussing polticians who paid tribute to her, it's just an interesting thing to note. BlueOcean02 (talk) 00:31, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
- With the utmost respect, writing a Mini Essay about how you didn't over react is literally the definition of over reacting. But anyway I can see your point, think before you speak in future, so this sort of nonsense doesn't happen again. BlueOcean02 (talk) 00:34, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
- Honestly, a comment like this gives the impression of trolling. People can respond how they want, so long as they're not being profane or abusive. Lecturing people on tone will guarantee your edits do not get transcluded DarmaniLink (talk) 03:54, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
- Respectfully, I'm not trolling, I just want discussions to be as civil and polite as possible. BlueOcean02 (talk) 23:03, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
- Honestly, a comment like this gives the impression of trolling. People can respond how they want, so long as they're not being profane or abusive. Lecturing people on tone will guarantee your edits do not get transcluded DarmaniLink (talk) 03:54, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
- It was just an idea for a page on the looming shutdown. No need to overreact. BlueOcean02 (talk) 18:44, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
- It's certainly not relevant elsewhere. If anywhere, then here. Str1977 (talk) 11:10, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
- Maybe not, her final vote was on a continuing resolution to temporarily avert a shutdown, that might be relevant elsewhere I guess. BlueOcean02 (talk) 20:09, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
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Diane Feinstein entry states that “ the Supreme Court ruled against abortion rights “. What the court actually ruled was that abortion was not a constitutionally protected right but rather an issue that should be returned to the states. ( see Dobbs decision) 74.98.241.41 (talk) 04:56, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
- Partly done: I changed the text, per the source, to
the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade
– Muboshgu (talk) 17:42, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
Committee chairmanships on Feinstein's profile
[edit]On the topic of including Feinstein's committee position's in the title, should we include all of her chairmanships and ranking memberships (including vice chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee) in the infobox? Are they specifically notable enough that inclusion in the lead is insufficient?
Asking with reference to this (largely unfrequented) consensus question on the WikiProject Politics page. This is so we can apply any consensus reached to articles of other senior members of Congress. SuperWIKI (talk) 11:53, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
Diane Feinstein forgotten accomplishment
[edit]I have searched everywhere to find information of the incredible First-Time Homebuyer's Program Mayor Diane Feinstein instituted in the 1980s. I was a recipient of the program in 1981 at the Mariners Village Development in Hunters Point in San Francisco. The homes were the San Francisco Navy Shipyard enlisted sailors' homes from the 1940s, which rennovated and certified for occupancy in 1980/81. LoliLola19 (talk) 21:24, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
Gross negligence not listed
[edit]Why is there no section shown on this page about how she made a serious error of judgement by conducting a press conference to give out information about the Nightstalker case? An action that was severely berated by the authorities. Ciaobellaxo (talk) 05:06, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
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