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== Translation of title == |
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From my user talk page: |
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Then the [[Super Smash Bros. (video game)]] article should be changed to "Fray" as well. The point is that the translated series name doesn't conflict with the English name of one of the games in the series. An article being denoted a good article doesn't necessarily mean all translations in the article are optimal. [[User:Zowayix001|Zowayix001]] ([[User talk:Zowayix001|talk]]) 02:44, 16 January 2016 (UTC) |
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I don't find "conflicting with the English name" to be a compelling reason, given that it's not the English name, but the English translation of the Japanese name with which we are dealing. Regards being a GA, it seems preferable to keep the current translation since that name has undergone quality review (though I agree any particular fact in the article may be sub-optimally worded, placed, etc--it is still a wiki). I will ping [[WT:VG]]. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 18:23, 24 January 2016 (UTC) |
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: What do secondary sources call it? Also the whole Japanese portion of the lede should be relegated to a footnote—it isn't known by its Japanese name at all in English-speaking places and the first sentence of the lede is prime real estate. <span style="background:#F0F0FF; padding:3px 9px 4px">[[User talk:Czar|<span style='font:bold small-caps 1.2em Avenir;color:#B048B5'>czar</span>]]</span> 18:36, 24 January 2016 (UTC) |
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::Not likely to have a good answer to the first question; no opinion on the second point. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 18:48, 24 January 2016 (UTC) |
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:::There's [[WP:USEENGLISH]] and [[WP:NCVG]]. Even if the "correct" translation is ''Fray'', we go by sources. I don't recall seeing any [[WP:RS]] ever calling the game ''Fray''. Changing seems [[WP:OR]]. --[[User:Soetermans|Soetermans]]. [[User talk: Soetermans|'''T''']] / [[Special:Contributions/Soetermans|'''C''']] 20:45, 24 January 2016 (UTC) |
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::::I don't believe there's an official source citing an English translation of the Japanese name, so someone had to have originally come up with it. I'm getting "Fray" from the translation the SmashWiki (ssbwiki.com) consistently uses, and I've seen that translation used many times before prior to knowing about that site. I have never ever seen "Great Melee" used before, and it's still visually jarring to see the same word used as in "Super Smash Bros. Melee" (almost always abbreviated "Melee" when talking about that one game itself). With no official source, why not just use the name translation that the most people are familiar with? [[User:Zowayix001|Zowayix001]] ([[User talk:Zowayix001|talk]]) 19:22, 26 January 2016 (UTC) |
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:I thought because of this remark "Then the [[Super Smash Bros. (video game)]] article should be changed to "Fray" as well." you wanted to change the article title of ''Super Smash Bros.'' to ''Fray'', but now I think you're referring to the Japanese title in the lead of the ''Super Smash Bros.'' article, am I right? On what sources is the SSB wiki based upon? And what would suggest ''Fray'' is more common than another translation? --[[User:Soetermans|Soetermans]]. [[User talk: Soetermans|'''T''']] / [[Special:Contributions/Soetermans|'''C''']] 20:07, 26 January 2016 (UTC) |
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::Yes, I'm referring to the opinion that 大乱闘 in the series and game titles should be translated as "Great Fray" rather than "Great Melee". There is no official source stating which translation is 'intended' or 'correct', so someone must have separately come up with both of them out of thin air and neither is official. The best way to settle this might be to have a professional/native Japanese translator explain which is more likely closer to the original meaning. Outside of that, I'm wondering if there's any in-game text, promotional materials/advertisements, or anything else that happens to directly translate 乱闘 between the Japanese and English versions. (I recall the phrase "Enter the fray" being officially used a number of times somewhere Smash-related, but I can't remember where and wouldn't know if there's a Japanese counterpart to that phrase.) [[User:Zowayix001|Zowayix001]] ([[User talk:Zowayix001|talk]]) 19:24, 27 January 2016 (UTC) |
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:::Oh, I thought you meant wanted the ''article title'' to change, the one the above the article body, but you mean how the title is in bold in the lead. Have you tried [[WP:JP|WikiProject Japan]]? If you leave a message at their [[WT:JP|talk page]], maybe someone there can help you out. --[[User:Soetermans|Soetermans]]. [[User talk: Soetermans|'''T''']] / [[Special:Contributions/Soetermans|'''C''']] 06:48, 28 January 2016 (UTC) |
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== Removing the Legacy section == |
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As someone pointed out in a [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Video_games&oldid=959502146#Addressing_sequels_of_a_game_as_part_of_its_Legacy discussion] I started on [[WP:VG]] talk, the Legacy section of this article is not covering the long-lasting impact of this game, it is simply listing all the sequels. This is already covered in the main series article, which this section already refers to. I am [[WP:BOLD|boldly]] deleting this section, but have started a thread if someone objects and we can discuss. --[[User:ThomasO1989|ThomasO1989]] ([[User talk:ThomasO1989|talk]]) 18:55, 29 May 2020 (UTC) |
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:@[[User:ThomasO1989|ThomasO1989]] Is, in your opinion, possible to write something about the legacy of the game and reintroduce the information about his sequels? [[User:Redjedi23|Redjedi23]] ([[User talk:Redjedi23|talk]]) 10:50, 20 October 2023 (UTC) |
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::IMO, the legacy section should cover this specific game's notability over time, or its direct influence on future games or other unrelated games. If its legacy is just "it made a bunch of sequels" then what is there is write about that isn't already covered in the main series article? [[User:ThomasO1989|ThomasO1989]] ([[User talk:ThomasO1989|talk]]) 12:26, 20 October 2023 (UTC) |
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