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Therefore, these 2 types of sports (and their categories) cannot be in a hierarchical relationship: neither mountaineering is a sub-category of climbing, nor the opposite. I will separate their categories. --[[User:Elkost|Elkost]] ([[User talk:Elkost|talk]]) 06:41, 15 June 2020 (UTC) |
Therefore, these 2 types of sports (and their categories) cannot be in a hierarchical relationship: neither mountaineering is a sub-category of climbing, nor the opposite. I will separate their categories. --[[User:Elkost|Elkost]] ([[User talk:Elkost|talk]]) 06:41, 15 June 2020 (UTC) |
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I have never seen the act of using a via ferrata lumped in with mountaineering, and recommend omitting it. Mountaineering typically eschews the use of fixed hardware in all but the rarest cases—e.g.,where the danger is significant (fixed ladders on major peaks) or the hardware is a remnant of older expeditions or attempts that cannot be taken out of the rock (jammed cams on a technical climb or old pitons). The use of via ferratas is likely to occur on popular hikes in well-developed tourist areas, by contrast. [[Special:Contributions/2601:280:4000:3D:CD8:ED66:F4A1:3AE0|2601:280:4000:3D:CD8:ED66:F4A1:3AE0]] ([[User talk:2601:280:4000:3D:CD8:ED66:F4A1:3AE0|talk]]) 12:32, 24 October 2023 (UTC) |
I have never seen the act of using a via ferrata lumped in with mountaineering, and recommend omitting it. Mountaineering typically eschews the use of fixed hardware in all but the rarest cases—e.g.,where the danger is significant (fixed ladders on major peaks) or the hardware is a remnant of older expeditions or attempts that cannot be taken out of the rock (jammed cams on a technical climb or old pitons). The use of via ferratas is likely to occur on popular hikes in well-developed tourist areas, by contrast. [[Special:Contributions/2601:280:4000:3D:CD8:ED66:F4A1:3AE0|2601:280:4000:3D:CD8:ED66:F4A1:3AE0]] ([[User talk:2601:280:4000:3D:CD8:ED66:F4A1:3AE0|talk]]) 12:32, 24 October 2023 (UTC) |
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Intersecting with climbing
[edit]Mountaineering and climbing are mutually intersecting sets. As per the definition mountaineering include subsets of:
- outdoor climbing and traversing via ferratas – intersected with the independent set of climbing;
- skiing – unrelated to climbing.
Therefore, these 2 types of sports (and their categories) cannot be in a hierarchical relationship: neither mountaineering is a sub-category of climbing, nor the opposite. I will separate their categories. --Elkost (talk) 06:41, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
No section on equipment?
[edit]There should be a section on equipment. Mountaineering is a fairly technical activity, using specialist equipment, which should be mentioned in the article, with links to all the main types of equipment. · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 14:51, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
Breathing apparatus
[edit]I came here looking for information on high altitude breathing apparatus, to link from breathing apparatus, and found nothing. If there is anything useful on the topic on Wikipedia, please let me know. · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 14:54, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
- I am working my way through the main climbing articles to update and improve them (e.g. alpine climbing, ice climbing, big wall climbing, aid climbing etc.), but have not gotten to the main "top" articles of mountaineering and rock climbing (which are also in poor shape). The closest article that might be of help to you that I have seen is Bottled oxygen (climbing). Aszx5000 (talk) 15:46, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
Traversing via ferratas
[edit]I have never seen the act of using a via ferrata lumped in with mountaineering, and recommend omitting it. Mountaineering typically eschews the use of fixed hardware in all but the rarest cases—e.g.,where the danger is significant (fixed ladders on major peaks) or the hardware is a remnant of older expeditions or attempts that cannot be taken out of the rock (jammed cams on a technical climb or old pitons). The use of via ferratas is likely to occur on popular hikes in well-developed tourist areas, by contrast. 2601:280:4000:3D:CD8:ED66:F4A1:3AE0 (talk) 12:32, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
Styles of mountaineering
[edit]"There are two main styles of mountaineering: expedition style and alpine style."
The article mentions "a siege-style expedition". Please explain what this is (perhaps in a new subsection for 'other' styles, besides the two main ones).
—DIV (1.145.36.244 (talk) 06:33, 8 November 2022 (UTC))
Support good-faith IP editors: insist that Wikipedia's administrators adhere to Wikipedia's own policies on keeping range-blocks as a last resort, with minimal breadth and duration, in order to reduce adverse collateral effects; support more precisely targeted restrictions such as protecting only articles themselves, not associated Talk pages, or presenting pages as semi-protected, or blocking only mobile edits when accessed from designated IP ranges.
- I have removed this; the Nanga Parbat was not more "siege style" than any other Himalayan expedition of that era. Aszx5000 (talk) 20:29, 26 November 2023 (UTC)