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For older archives see prior page Talk:Solar energy.

Add a category for the potential for solar power in mobile devices

I have over 12 years of experience on this. https://iotmote.substack.com/p/remaking-the-nokia-6110-and-psion Request to cross Link Shortwave radio Wikipedia article, low power SDR-based microcontrollers with Solar power and mobile phones, as an example of Technological Convergence (also cross link). (similar to how camcorders were added to cell phones in the early 00s), under the "Political Issues" of the main Solar Power wikipedia article. Tetraxho (talk) 18:07, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to edit but be sure to cite and don’t be surprised if someone rejects substack as a cite Chidgk1 (talk) 13:05, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Remove concentrated solar power

I think we should remove it from the article. It's a rounding error, less than 1% of the total. With current growth rates photovoltaics are adding twice that much, every single month, and that percentage is only going down over time, and dealing with it is taking up valuable space in the article out of all proportion.

If it's only producing 1% of the power, as a starting point for discussion, I think it should only take up 1% of the article, at most.

While I think it's a neat technology, I think we just need to be realistic and relegate it to a top note that directs us to concentrated solar power. GliderMaven (talk) 20:14, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Cost

Solar power is not free. Solar power has to be captured; capture has a cost. Oil and gas power is not free. Oil and gas power has to be captured; capture is the cost. 98.181.50.194 (talk) 16:48, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Huh? Chidgk1 (talk) 17:29, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Let me explain further... Costs can be tangible or intangible but not both. 98.181.50.194 (talk) 11:07, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I still don’t understand what you are saying needs changing in this article Chidgk1 (talk) 11:12, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Environmental Effect: manufacturing carbon footprint

The values for manufacturing carbon footprint taken from https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/9518632 are off by a factor of 1000. The source probably conflated "kg CO 2 /kWp" with "g CO 2 /kWp". I found more sensible figures in the supporting info of https://doi.org/10.1038/ncomms13728 on page 3. However that article is already eight years old and cites even older values from eleven years ago.

I suggest to remove

"A 2021 study estimated the carbon footprint of manufacturing monocrystalline panels at 515 g CO₂/kWp in the US and 740 g CO₂/kWp in China,^[1] "

and instead write

"In 2013 the life cycle greenhouse gas emissions of multi-crystalline silicon PV systems was estimated as between 0.36 and 0.7 kg CO₂-eq/W_p^[2] "

Although maybe I forgot something, but I am sure 700 g CO₂ per kW_p would be ridiculously low. 194.76.232.147 (talk) 10:22, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is a more up to date article: ^[3] reporting: "glass-backsheet (glass-glass) modules produced in China, Germany or the EU are linked to emissions of 810 (750), 580 (520) and 480 (420) kg CO2-eq/kWp, respectively" --Ita140188 (talk) 17:25, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I tried to correct the article - please could you guys check I got it right Chidgk1 (talk) 18:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Anctil, Annick (June 2021). "Comparing the carbon footprint of monocrystalline silicon solar modules manufactured in China and the United States". 2021 IEEE 48th Photovoltaic Specialists Conference (PVSC). pp. 1–3. doi:10.1109/PVSC43889.2021.9518632. ISBN 978-1-6654-1922-2. S2CID 237332457.
^ Louwen, Atse; van Sark, Wilfried G. J. H. M.; Faaij, André P. C.; Schropp, Ruud E. I. (2016-12-06). "Re-assessment of net energy production and greenhouse gas emissions avoidance after 40 years of photovoltaics development". Nature Communications. 7: 13728. doi:10.1038/ncomms13728. ISSN 2041-1723.
^ Müller, Amelie; Friedrich, Lorenz; Reichel, Christian; Herceg, Sina; Mittag, Max; Neuhaus, Dirk Holger (15 September 2021). "A comparative life cycle assessment of silicon PV modules: Impact of module design, manufacturing location and inventory". Solar Energy Materials and Solar Cells. 230: 111277. doi:10.1016/j.solmat.2021.111277.

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[1] Anctil, Annick (June 2021). "Comparing the carbon footprint of monocrystalline silicon solar modules manufactured in China and the United States". 2021 IEEE 48th Photovoltaic Specialists Conference (PVSC). pp. 1–3. doi:10.1109/PVSC43889.2021.9518632. ISBN 978-1-6654-1922-2. S2CID 237332457.

[2] Louwen, Atse; van Sark, Wilfried G. J. H. M.; Faaij, André P. C.; Schropp, Ruud E. I. (2016-12-06). "Re-assessment of net energy production and greenhouse gas emissions avoidance after 40 years of photovoltaics development". Nature Communications. 7: 13728. doi:10.1038/ncomms13728. ISSN 2041-1723.

[3] Müller, Amelie; Friedrich, Lorenz; Reichel, Christian; Herceg, Sina; Mittag, Max; Neuhaus, Dirk Holger (15 September 2021). "A comparative life cycle assessment of silicon PV modules: Impact of module design, manufacturing location and inventory". Solar Energy Materials and Solar Cells. 230: 111277. doi:10.1016/j.solmat.2021.111277.

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+== Add a category for the potential for solar power in mobile devices ==
-== Should any of these articles be merged or excerpted? ==
+I have over 12 years of experience on this. https://iotmote.substack.com/p/remaking-the-nokia-6110-and-psion Request to cross Link Shortwave radio Wikipedia article, low power SDR-based microcontrollers with Solar power and mobile phones, as an example of Technological Convergence (also cross link). (similar to how camcorders were added to cell phones in the early 00s), under the "Political Issues" of the main Solar Power wikipedia article. [[User:Tetraxho|Tetraxho]] ([[User talk:Tetraxho|talk]]) 18:07, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
-I wonder whether any of these articles should be merged or excerpted here or with each other:
+:Feel free to edit but be sure to cite and don’t be surprised if someone rejects substack as a cite [[User:Chidgk1|Chidgk1]] ([[User talk:Chidgk1|talk]]) 13:05, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
-[[Concentrated solar power]]
+== Remove concentrated solar power ==
-[[Solar energy]]
+I think we should remove it from the article. It's a rounding error, less than 1% of the total. With current growth rates photovoltaics are adding twice that much, every single month, and that percentage is only going down over time, and dealing with it is taking up valuable space in the article out of all proportion.
-[[Solar thermal energy]]
+If it's only producing 1% of the power, as a starting point for discussion, I think it should only take up 1% of the article, at most.
-[[Solar thermal collector]]
+While I think it's a neat technology, I think we just need to be realistic and relegate it to a top note that directs us to [[concentrated solar power]].  [[User:GliderMaven|GliderMaven]] ([[User_talk:GliderMaven|talk]]) 20:14, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
-[[Solar thermal enhanced oil recovery]]
+== Cost ==
-[[Solar water heating]]
+Solar power is not free.  Solar power has to be captured; capture has a cost.  Oil and gas power is not free.  Oil and gas power has to be captured; capture is the cost. [[Special:Contributions/98.181.50.194|98.181.50.194]] ([[User talk:98.181.50.194|talk]]) 16:48, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
-[[Solar cell]]
+:Huh? [[User:Chidgk1|Chidgk1]] ([[User talk:Chidgk1|talk]]) 17:29, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
-[[Theory of solar cells]]
+::Let me explain further...  Costs can be tangible or intangible but not both. [[Special:Contributions/98.181.50.194|98.181.50.194]] ([[User talk:98.181.50.194|talk]]) 11:07, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
+:::I still don’t understand what you are saying needs changing in this article [[User:Chidgk1|Chidgk1]] ([[User talk:Chidgk1|talk]]) 11:12, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
+== Environmental Effect: manufacturing carbon footprint ==
-[[Solar cell efficiency]]
+The values for manufacturing carbon footprint taken from https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/9518632 are off by a factor of 1000. The source probably conflated "kg CO 2 /kWp" with "g CO 2 /kWp". I found more sensible figures in the supporting info of https://doi.org/10.1038/ncomms13728 on page 3. However that article is already eight years old and cites even older values from eleven years ago.
-[[Thin-film solar cell]]
+I suggest to remove
-[[Perovskite solar cell]]
+"A 2021 study estimated the carbon footprint of manufacturing monocrystalline panels at 515 g {{CO2}}/kWp in the US and 740 g {{CO2}}/kWp in China,<ref>{{Cite book |last=Anctil |first=Annick |title=2021 IEEE 48th Photovoltaic Specialists Conference (PVSC) |chapter=Comparing the carbon footprint of monocrystalline silicon solar modules manufactured in China and the United States |date=June 2021 |chapter-url=https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/9518632 |pages=1–3 |doi=10.1109/PVSC43889.2021.9518632|isbn=978-1-6654-1922-2 |s2cid=237332457 }}</ref> "
-[[Organic solar cell]]
+and instead write
-[[Third-generation photovoltaic cell]]
+"In 2013 the life cycle greenhouse gas emissions of multi-crystalline silicon PV systems was estimated as between 0.36 and 0.7 kg CO<sub>2</sub>-eq/W<sub>p</sub><ref>{{Cite journal |last1=Louwen|first1=Atse|last2=van Sark|first2=Wilfried G. J. H. M.|last3=Faaij|first3=André P. C.|last4=Schropp|first4=Ruud E. I.|date=2016-12-06 |title=Re-assessment of net energy production and greenhouse gas emissions avoidance after 40 years of photovoltaics development |url=https://doi.org/10.1038/ncomms13728 |journal=Nature Communications |language=en |volume=7 |pages=13728 |doi=10.1038/ncomms13728 |issn=2041-1723}}</ref> "
-[[Multi-junction solar cell]]
+Although maybe I forgot something, but I am sure 700 g CO<sub>2</sub> per kW<sub>p</sub> would be ridiculously low. [[Special:Contributions/194.76.232.147|194.76.232.147]] ([[User talk:194.76.232.147|talk]]) 10:22, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
-(there are more articles on types of solar cells - see [[List of types of solar cells]])
+:This is a more up to date article: <ref>{{cite journal |last1=Müller |first1=Amelie |last2=Friedrich |first2=Lorenz |last3=Reichel |first3=Christian |last4=Herceg |first4=Sina |last5=Mittag |first5=Max |last6=Neuhaus |first6=Dirk Holger |title=A comparative life cycle assessment of silicon PV modules: Impact of module design, manufacturing location and inventory |journal=Solar Energy Materials and Solar Cells |date=15 September 2021 |volume=230 |pages=111277 |doi=10.1016/j.solmat.2021.111277}}</ref> reporting: "glass-backsheet (glass-glass) modules produced in China, Germany or the EU are linked to emissions of 810 (750), 580 (520) and 480 (420) kg CO2-eq/kWp, respectively" --[[User:Ita140188|Ita140188]] ([[User talk:Ita140188|talk]]) 17:25, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
-[[Photoelectric effect]]
+::I tried to correct the article - please could you guys check I got it right [[User:Chidgk1|Chidgk1]] ([[User talk:Chidgk1|talk]]) 18:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
+{{reflist-talk}}
-[[Photovoltaic effect]]
+==Wiki Education assignment: Engineering in the 21st Century_Section 1==
-[[Photovoltaics]]
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+<span class="wikied-assignment" style="font-size:85%;">— Assignment last updated by [[User:HarrisonBM|HarrisonBM]] ([[User talk:HarrisonBM|talk]]) 15:18, 8 October 2024 (UTC)</span>
-[[Intermediate band photovoltaics]]
-[[Concentrator photovoltaics]]
-[[Applications of photovoltaics]]
-[[List of solar-powered products]]
-[[Growth of photovoltaics]]
-[[Financial incentives for photovoltaics]]
-[[Photovoltaic system]]
-[[Photovoltaic system performance]]
-[[Soiling (solar energy)]]
-[[Photovoltaic power station]] ("solar farm" redirects here. My attempt to rename this to "Solar power plant" was unsuccessful)
-[[Photovoltaic thermal hybrid solar collector]]
-[[Thermophotovoltaic]]
-[[Solar panel]]
-[[Solar module quality assurance]] (whereas "solar module" itself redirects to [[solar panel]])
-[[Smart module]]
-[[AC module]]
-[[Solar inverter]]
-[[Solar micro-inverter]]
-[[Three-phase micro-inverter]]
-[[Intelligent hybrid inverter]]
-[[Solar cable]]
-[[Solar tracker]]
-[[Grid-connected photovoltaic power system]]
-[[Utility-scale solar]]
-[[Rooftop solar power]]
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-For example maybe:
-[[Solar micro-inverter]] and [[Three-phase micro-inverter]] and [[Intelligent hybrid inverter]] merge to [[Solar inverter]]
-[[Solar cable]] merge to [[Photovoltaic system]]
-[[Soiling (solar energy)]] merge to [[Photovoltaic system performance]]
-[[Photovoltaic power station]] merge to [[Utility-scale solar]]
-[[Grid-connected photovoltaic power system]] (which says little about utility scale) merge to [[Rooftop solar power]]
-[[Solar module quality assurance]] and [[Smart module]] and [[AC module]] merge to [[solar panel]]
-[[Applications of photovoltaics]] merge with [[List of solar-powered products]] (not sure how as one is list and other article)
-[[Financial incentives for photovoltaics]] merge to [[Growth of photovoltaics]]
-[[Intermediate band photovoltaics]] merge to [[Photovoltaic effect]]
-[[User:Chidgk1|Chidgk1]] ([[User talk:Chidgk1|talk]]) 08:17, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
-:I would avoid using excerpts, especially for a high visibility article such as [[Solar power]]. Also most of the listed articles are way too detailed for this general article. --[[User:Ita140188|Ita140188]] ([[User talk:Ita140188|talk]]) 09:57, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
-::There are too many proposals here. I have some ideas of merges / drastic shortenings to reduce the overlap among the top-level articles. I think excerpt can work for high-visibility articles, but not excerpts of leads (which are unstable/poorly cited, and written in a style unsuitable for the body of articles). Will get back later with two proposals. [[User:Femke|Femke]] ([[User talk:Femke|talk]]) 17:40, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
-Have proposed the 4 part merges at [[Talk:Solar_inverter#Merger_proposal]]  and [[Talk:Solar_panel#Merger_proposal]] [[User:Chidgk1|Chidgk1]] ([[User talk:Chidgk1|talk]]) 17:22, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
-:Done the first one [[User:Chidgk1|Chidgk1]] ([[User talk:Chidgk1|talk]]) 14:11, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
-::and the other [[User:Chidgk1|Chidgk1]] ([[User talk:Chidgk1|talk]]) 07:29, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
-:::Merged solar cable to photovoltaic system [[User:Chidgk1|Chidgk1]] ([[User talk:Chidgk1|talk]]) 17:27, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
-== Content moved from [[climate change mitigation]] - useful? ==
-I am moving this content from [[climate change mitigation]]. Is any of this useful for this article or is it all already in there? Also, I am still a bit confused what would go here and what would go to [[solar energy]].
-====Solar energy====
-{{main|Solar energy}}
-[[File:Andasol Guadix 4.jpg|thumb|right|The 150 MW [[Andasol solar power station]] is a commercial [[parabolic trough]] [[solar thermal]] power plant, located in [[Renewable energy in Spain|Spain]]. The Andasol plant uses tanks of molten salt to store solar energy so that it can continue generating electricity for 7.5 hours after the sun has stopped shining.<ref>{{cite journal |title=Saving for a rainy day |first=Edwin |last=Cartlidge |date=18 November 2011 |journal=Science |volume=334 |issue=6058 |pages=922–24|doi=10.1126/science.334.6058.922 |pmid=22096185 |bibcode=2011Sci...334..922C }}</ref>]]
-* Solar [[photovoltaics]] (PV) has become the cheapest way to produce electric energy in many regions of the world, with production costs down to 0.015 US$/KWh in desert regions.<ref>{{cite press release|title=KAHRAMAA and Siraj Energy Sign Agreements for Al-Kharsaah Solar PV Power Plant |url=https://www.km.qa/MediaCenter/pages/NewsDetails.aspx?ItemID=327 |publisher=Qatar General Electricity & Water Corporation "KAHRAMAA" |access-date=26 January 2020}}</ref> The [[growth of photovoltaics]] is exponential and has doubled every three years since the 1990s. In the summer, PV power generation follows the daily demand curve.<ref>{{cite web |title=Electricity Production in Germany Week 29/2021 |url=https://energy-charts.info/charts/power/chart.htm?l=en&c=DE&week=29 |access-date=26 July 2021}}</ref>
-* A different technology is [[concentrated solar power]] (CSP) using mirrors or lenses to concentrate a large area of sunlight onto a receiver. With CSP, the energy can be stored for a few hours, providing supply in the evening. This can outweigh the higher costs compared to PV.
-* [[Solar water heating]] has doubled between 2010 and 2019. Total installed solar water heating systems provide a capacity of 501 [[GWth|GW<sub>th</sub>]], with 67% of the global share in [[Solar power in China#Solar water heating|China]].<ref>{{cite web |title=Renewables 2021 Global Status Report |url=https://www.ren21.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/GSR2021_Full_Report.pdf |publisher=REN21 |access-date=22 July 2021 |pages=137–138}}</ref> [[Photovoltaic thermal hybrid solar collector]]s combine PV and solar heating.
-* [[Floating solar]]<ref>{{cite journal |last1=Almeida |first1=Rafael M. |last2=Schmitt |first2=Rafael |last3=Grodsky |first3=Steven M. |last4=Flecker |first4=Alexander S. |last5=Gomes |first5=Carla P. |last6=Zhao |first6=Lu |last7=Liu |first7=Haohui |last8=Barros |first8=Nathan |last9=Kelman |first9=Rafael |last10=McIntyre |first10=Peter B. |title=Floating solar power could help fight climate change — let's get it right |journal=Nature |date=June 2022 |volume=606 |issue=7913 |pages=246–249 |doi=10.1038/d41586-022-01525-1 |pmid=35672509 |s2cid=249465577 |language=en}}</ref><ref>{{cite journal |last1=Spencer |first1=Robert S. |last2=Macknick |first2=Jordan |last3=Aznar |first3=Alexandra |last4=Warren |first4=Adam |last5=Reese |first5=Matthew O. |title=Floating Photovoltaic Systems: Assessing the Technical Potential of Photovoltaic Systems on Man-Made Water Bodies in the Continental United States |url=https://www.osti.gov/pages/biblio/1489330 |journal=Environmental Science and Technology |access-date=11 June 2022 |language=English |doi=10.1021/acs.est.8b04735 |date=11 December 2018|volume=53 |issue=3 |pages=1680–1689 |pmid=30532953 |osti=1489330 |s2cid=54471924 }}</ref>
-* Solar panels over canals<ref>{{cite journal |last1=McKuin |first1=Brandi |last2=Zumkehr |first2=Andrew |last3=Ta |first3=Jenny |last4=Bales |first4=Roger |last5=Viers |first5=Joshua H. |last6=Pathak |first6=Tapan |last7=Campbell |first7=J. Elliott |title=Energy and water co-benefits from covering canals with solar panels |journal=Nature Sustainability |date=July 2021 |volume=4 |issue=7 |pages=609–617 |doi=10.1038/s41893-021-00693-8 |s2cid=232273487 |language=en |issn=2398-9629|url=https://escholarship.org/uc/item/8cj5j07p }}</ref><ref>{{cite web |last1=Bales |first1=Roger |title=First solar canal project is a win for water, energy, air and climate in California |url=https://theconversation.com/first-solar-canal-project-is-a-win-for-water-energy-air-and-climate-in-california-177433 |website=The Conversation |access-date=11 June 2022 |language=en}}</ref>
-* [[Agrivoltaics]]<ref>{{cite journal |last1=Adeh |first1=Elnaz H. |last2=Good |first2=Stephen P. |last3=Calaf |first3=M. |last4=Higgins |first4=Chad W. |title=Solar PV Power Potential is Greatest Over Croplands |journal=Scientific Reports |date=7 August 2019 |volume=9 |issue=1 |pages=11442 |doi=10.1038/s41598-019-47803-3 |pmid=31391497 |pmc=6685942 |bibcode=2019NatSR...911442A |language=en |issn=2045-2322}}</ref><ref>{{cite journal |last1=Barron-Gafford |first1=Greg A. |last2=Pavao-Zuckerman |first2=Mitchell A. |last3=Minor |first3=Rebecca L. |last4=Sutter |first4=Leland F. |last5=Barnett-Moreno |first5=Isaiah |last6=Blackett |first6=Daniel T. |last7=Thompson |first7=Moses |last8=Dimond |first8=Kirk |last9=Gerlak |first9=Andrea K. |last10=Nabhan |first10=Gary P. |last11=Macknick |first11=Jordan E. |title=Agrivoltaics provide mutual benefits across the food–energy–water nexus in drylands |journal=Nature Sustainability |date=September 2019 |volume=2 |issue=9 |pages=848–855 |doi=10.1038/s41893-019-0364-5 |osti=1567040 |s2cid=202557709 |language=en |issn=2398-9629}}</ref><ref>{{cite journal |last1=Weselek |first1=Axel |last2=Ehmann |first2=Andrea |last3=Zikeli |first3=Sabine |last4=Lewandowski |first4=Iris |last5=Schindele |first5=Stephan |last6=Högy |first6=Petra |title=Agrophotovoltaic systems: applications, challenges, and opportunities. A review |journal=Agronomy for Sustainable Development |date=19 June 2019 |volume=39 |issue=4 |pages=35 |doi=10.1007/s13593-019-0581-3 |s2cid=195064177 |language=en |issn=1773-0155}}</ref>
-[[User:EMsmile|EMsmile]] ([[User talk:EMsmile|talk]]) 22:38, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
-{{reflist-talk}} [[User:EMsmile|EMsmile]] ([[User talk:EMsmile|talk]]) 22:38, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
-== Add a category for the potential for solar power in mobile devices ==
-I have over 12 years of experience on this. https://iotmote.substack.com/p/remaking-the-nokia-6110-and-psion Request to cross Link Shortwave radio Wikipedia article, low power SDR-based microcontrollers with Solar power and mobile phones, as an example of Technological Convergence (also cross link). (similar to how camcorders were added to cell phones in the early 00s), under the "Political Issues" of the main Solar Power wikipedia article. [[User:Tetraxho|Tetraxho]] ([[User talk:Tetraxho|talk]]) 18:07, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
-:Feel free to edit but be sure to cite and don’t be surprised if someone rejects substack as a cite [[User:Chidgk1|Chidgk1]] ([[User talk:Chidgk1|talk]]) 13:05, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
-== Remove concentrated solar power ==
-I think we should remove it from the article. It's a rounding error, less than 1% of the total. With current growth rates photovoltaics are adding twice that much, every single month, and that percentage is only going down over time, and dealing with it is taking up valuable space in the article out of all proportion.
-If it's only producing 1% of the power, as a starting point for discussion, I think it should only take up 1% of the article, at most.
-While I think it's a neat technology, I think we just need to be realistic and relegate it to a top note that directs us to [[concentrated solar power]].  [[User:GliderMaven|GliderMaven]] ([[User_talk:GliderMaven|talk]]) 20:14, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
-== Cost ==
-Solar power is not free.  Solar power has to be captured; capture has a cost.  Oil and gas power is not free.  Oil and gas power has to be captured; capture is the cost. [[Special:Contributions/98.181.50.194|98.181.50.194]] ([[User talk:98.181.50.194|talk]]) 16:48, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
-:Huh? [[User:Chidgk1|Chidgk1]] ([[User talk:Chidgk1|talk]]) 17:29, 2 December 2023 (UTC)