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The result of the move request was: '''Not Moved''' because it was overwhelmingly opposed <small>([[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small> <span style="font-family:Monospace;color:black">>>>&nbsp;[[User:Extorc|<span style="color:purple">Extorc</span>]].[[User_talk:Extorc|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]</span> 15:38, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
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[[:New York (state)]] → {{no redirect|New York State}} – The proposed title is a valid form of [[WP:NATURAL]] disambiguation for the page, and policy prefers natural disambiguation to parenthetical disambiguation when possible. Per [[WP:AT]], {{tq|Adding a disambiguating term in parentheses after the ambiguous name is Wikipedia's standard disambiguation technique ''when none of the other solutions lead to an optimal article title''}}. As such, parenthetical disambiguation should only be resorted to when [[WP:NATURAL]] disambiguation fails. — <span style="background: linear-gradient(#990000,#660000)">[[User:Red-tailed hawk|<span style="color: white">Red-tailed&nbsp;hawk</span>]]&nbsp;<sub>[[User talk:Red-tailed hawk|<span style="color: white">(nest)</span>]]</sub></span> 04:49, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

:'''Oppose'''. This has been discussed ad nauseam. Read the previous discussions and the FAQ above, please. [[User:Oknazevad|oknazevad]] ([[User talk:Oknazevad|talk]]) 07:49, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
*'''Weak oppose''' as discussed before it doesn't seem to be commonly enough used as part of the name as oppose to an independent modifier. '''[[User:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Green">Crouch, Swale</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Blue">talk</span>]]) 08:23, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

*'''Move to [[State of New York]]''' per [[WP:NATURALDISAMBIGUATION]]. I think it would be better to use the official long-form name of the state for a naturally disambiguated title rather than an unofficial natural disambiguated title such as the one being proposed. [[User:Rreagan007|Rreagan007]] ([[User talk:Rreagan007|talk]]) 16:13, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
*:I would also like [[State of New York]], which is suitable if "New York State" does not work. — <span style="background: linear-gradient(#990000,#660000)">[[User:Red-tailed hawk|<span style="color: white">Red-tailed&nbsp;hawk</span>]]&nbsp;<sub>[[User talk:Red-tailed hawk|<span style="color: white">(nest)</span>]]</sub></span> 23:53, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' I'm "New York" or bust on RMs. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 16:15, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
:[[New York]] is already a disambiguation page. Please actually inform yourself about the correct setup before commenting. [[User:Oknazevad|oknazevad]] ([[User talk:Oknazevad|talk]]) 19:16, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
::I meant "move this to 'New York' over the disambiguation page or don't move it at all". I thought that was clear but I guess not. Please [[WP:AGF|assume good faith]]. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 19:19, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
:::That was meant for Shakescene below, but I got edit conflicted into accidentally double posting it. I wasn't trying to call you out. I think a disambiguation page is perfectly correct for the ambiguous term "New York". [[User:Oknazevad|oknazevad]] ([[User talk:Oknazevad|talk]]) 19:22, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
::::Gotcha. I have always felt "New York" is best for the state and "New York (disambiguation)" for the dab page, but opinions differ. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 19:28, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
:::::The problem with that is it's very likely on a worldwide level that more people mean the city when they say simply "New York" than the state. Which is why when the state was at the plain title, as had been the case up until 6 years ago, there were frequent complaints, move request, and intractable discussion where those demanding a move basically stated that in no way can the state be said to be an unambiguous primary topic. We had the state at the plain and, and it caused nothing but headaches. [[User:Oknazevad|oknazevad]] ([[User talk:Oknazevad|talk]]) 19:34, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
::::::Granted, I have the more myopic biased view of a New York native. I prefer "New York (state)" over "New York State" or "State of New York". &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 20:38, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' - It should either remain as-is or, as Rreagan said, changed to the official name of '''State of New York'''. "New York State" is neither natural nor official. [[User:Garnet Moss|Garnet Moss]] ([[User talk:Garnet Moss|talk]]) 20:27, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' Unnecessary. [[User:Vic Park|Vic Park]] ([[User talk:Vic Park|talk]]) 07:08, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
:'''Strongly Oppose''' highly unnecessary, as stated above me. [[User:MarkusOklahoma|MarkusOklahoma]] ([[User talk:MarkusOklahoma|talk]]) 17:40, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

'''Strongly support''' Ordinary people (both inside and outside the Empire State) and most prose outside Wikiworld distinguish [[New York City]] from [[New York State]] in exactly this way. It took years to stop "New York" automatically opening or redirecting to the State page, although most people outside New York State (and many within it) think of the City when they say or write "New York". That said, however, I'm not really in favour of flipping (as I think is the present case) all "New York" enquiries to the City. "New York" is probably a good candidate for a disambiguation page, without a parenthetical (disambiguation). Cf. [[Greater New York]] and [[Greater New York City]], where it's about equally likely that someone wants to know about the Five Boroughs since 1898 or about the New York metropolitan area. [[User:Shakescene|—— Shakescene]] ([[User talk:Shakescene|talk]]) 18:56, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

:I don't think that's accurate. The tag "New York" on [https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/new-york The Guardian] covers the state, not the city. Same with [https://www.foxnews.com/category/us/us-regions/northeast/new-york Fox News]. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 19:14, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
:[[New York]] is already a disambiguation page, out a redirect to the article on the city. Such a redirect has been rejected multiple times. Please actually look at the current setup and the voluminous discussions that lead to it before commenting. [[User:Oknazevad|oknazevad]] ([[User talk:Oknazevad|talk]]) 19:20, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. [[New York State]] sounds like the name of a university (and is sometimes incorrectly used to refer to the [[State University of New York]]); by comparison, titles like [[Alabama State]], [[Arkansas State]], [[Colorado State]], [[Florida State]], [[Georgia State]] [[Ohio State]], [[Indiana State]], [[Michigan State]], [[Minnesota State]], [[Mississippi State]], [[Missouri State]], [[Montana State]], [[Utah State]], [[Virginia State]], [[West Virginia State]], and [[Wisconsin State]] ''all'' point to specific universities or colleges. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 20:48, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
*:{{re|BD2412}} How do you feel about [[State of New York]]? — <span style="background: linear-gradient(#990000,#660000)">[[User:Red-tailed hawk|<span style="color: white">Red-tailed&nbsp;hawk</span>]]&nbsp;<sub>[[User talk:Red-tailed hawk|<span style="color: white">(nest)</span>]]</sub></span> 23:55, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
*:: I think the current format is more concise. Every state ''could'' be called "State of". [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 00:04, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' agree with the other opposes, and per [[WP:CONSISTENT]] of article titling policy "New York (state)" provides for the necessary consistency with "[[Georgia (state)]]" and "[[Washington (state)]]", we have decided that the "(state)" paren is the way to disambiguate [[U.S. state]] titles. -- [[User:Alanscottwalker|Alanscottwalker]] ([[User talk:Alanscottwalker|talk]]) 22:25, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
*:[[Georgia (state)]] is a redirect to a disambiguation page, not the page on the U.S state. It's hardly the case that {{tq|we have decided that the "(state)" paren is the way to disambiguate}} in this circumstance. — <span style="background: linear-gradient(#990000,#660000)">[[User:Red-tailed hawk|<span style="color: white">Red-tailed&nbsp;hawk</span>]]&nbsp;<sub>[[User talk:Red-tailed hawk|<span style="color: white">(nest)</span>]]</sub></span> 23:55, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
*::You'll see at that disambiguation page that Georgia the U.S. state does have the parentheses disambiguation with "state" in it, so parentheses disambiguation for U.S. states is what has been decided. -- [[User:Alanscottwalker|Alanscottwalker]] ([[User talk:Alanscottwalker|talk]]) 01:58, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
*::That's only because [[Georgia (state)]] is still ambiguous. [[User:Elli|Elli]] ([[User_talk:Elli|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Elli|contribs]]) 02:18, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
*'''Strong oppose''' the state is commonly called "New York" and using natural disambiguation does not improve the title here as "New York" is significantly more common than "New York State" (when discussing US states, people don't say "New York State", they just say "New York"). We could do the same thing with [[Washington (state)]] as well, but obviously shouldn't. [[User:Elli|Elli]] ([[User_talk:Elli|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Elli|contribs]]) 02:17, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Notwithstanding the [[Talk:New York/July 2016 move request#Discussion 3: If there is consensus to change the current name of this page, what should be the state's new title?|2016 discussion on the preference for "New York (state)"]] and the [[Talk:New York/Archive 1#Requested move 7 July 2017|2017 RM discussion]], I do not see any significant benefit now in 2023 to change between the natural and parenthetical disambiguation when the difference in length is only a few characters. [[User:Zzyzx11|Zzyzx11]] ([[User talk:Zzyzx11|talk]]) 08:05, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
'''Strong Oppose''' per Elli, common name of both city and state is New York. The parenthetical "state" is enough to distinguish between the two. Technically this should be a more broad RFC about renaming all states (State of..., Commonwealth of...) which would burn into an unrecognizable heap of ash.--[[User:Loriendrew|<span style="color: #005000;">☾Loriendrew☽</span>]] [[User talk:Loriendrew|<span style="color: #000080;">☏''(ring-ring)''</span>]] 13:45, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
:'''Strong oppose'''. The name of the state is "New York"; "state" is not part of the state name and is not consistently used to distinguish it from the city. Even if "New York state" ''were'' commonly used, it would not be consistent with naming conventions, and the parenthetical disambiguation is fine. As Elli says, we could potentially do the same with [[Washington (state)]], but in contexts where we're talking about the state, people would just say "New York" or "Washington". Also, <code><nowiki>[[New York (state)|]]</nowiki></code> works with the [[Wikipedia:pipe trick|pipe trick]]; <code><nowiki>[[New York State|New York]]</nowiki></code> does not, so you'd actually need to type ''more'' characters if you didn't want the link to say "New York State". &ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:11, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. I think [[WP:NATURAL]] is good most of the time, but it can be misleading in places, and this is exactly one of them. --[[User talk:Quiz shows|Quiz shows]] 05:18, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' The page name can and maybe even must reflect the actual name of the state, which is [[New York (state)|New York]], not New York state. On a somewhat related matter, the largest city in that state is [[New York City]], not New York, and yet the opening sentence of the NYC page applies the primary name New York to a page correctly named New York City but whose lede incorrectly labels it New York. [[User:Keystone18|Keystone18]] ([[User talk:Keystone18|talk]]) 00:39, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
*:The city is named New York as well. Its just that it is also called "New York City" with great enough frequency that it makes for great example of a naturally disambiguated title. [[User:Oknazevad|oknazevad]] ([[User talk:Oknazevad|talk]]) 01:58, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
*::Indeed per things like the AP Stylebook and Google maps both the city and state are just "New York" but because sources like Britannica use "New York City" as the title its probably appropriate as the title here but the state is a different issue. '''[[User:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Green">Crouch, Swale</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Blue">talk</span>]]) 19:13, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' for all the reasons stated above. The underlying problem is that way too many polytechnic or normal schools evolved to expressly use the word "State" in their names as state colleges and then state universities. So "New York State" is too easily mistaken for one of those by anyone not familiar with the state of New York. --[[User:Coolcaesar|Coolcaesar]] ([[User talk:Coolcaesar|talk]]) 05:31, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per all above. -- [[User:Necrothesp|Necrothesp]] ([[User talk:Necrothesp|talk]]) 14:29, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. As well as [[Talk:New York (state)/FAQ]] the proponents of this RM should review the pages listed at [[Wikipedia:NYRM]] where I think all the arguments above are answered. [[wp:Consensus can change|Consensus can change]] but this has been so thoroughly discussed that I think it unlikely. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] ([[User talk:Andrewa|talk]]) 06:56, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: '''not moved.''' Looks like it is [[WP:SNOW{{!}}snowing]] again. Closing this for almost the same reason as before. <small>([[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small> [[User:JuniperChill|JuniperChill]] ([[User talk:JuniperChill|talk]]) 12:19, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
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[[:New York (state)]] → {{no redirect|State of New York}} – Tons of people were in favor of moving the title to such in the two previous RM’s. I don’t see any reason to NOT move the title to such. Who’s in? [[User:DirtySocks357(WreckItRalph)|DirtySocks357(WreckItRalph)]] ([[User talk:DirtySocks357(WreckItRalph)|talk]]) 15:40, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
[[:New York (state)]] → {{no redirect|State of New York}} – Tons of people were in favor of moving the title to such in the two previous RM’s. I don’t see any reason to NOT move the title to such. Who’s in? [[User:DirtySocks357(WreckItRalph)|DirtySocks357(WreckItRalph)]] ([[User talk:DirtySocks357(WreckItRalph)|talk]]) 15:40, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
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:'''Oppose''' per [[WP:NATURAL]] and [[WP:CONSISTENT]] (see [[Georgia (U.S. state)]] and [[Washington (state)]]). <span style="font:'Pristina'">[[user:Keivan.f|<span style="color: #1E7HDC">Keivan.f</span>]]</span><span style="font:'Pristina'"><sup>[[user_talk:Keivan.f|<span style="color: purple">Talk</span>]]</sup></span> 06:49, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' per [[WP:NATURAL]] and [[WP:CONSISTENT]] (see [[Georgia (U.S. state)]] and [[Washington (state)]]). <span style="font:'Pristina'">[[user:Keivan.f|<span style="color: #1E7HDC">Keivan.f</span>]]</span><span style="font:'Pristina'"><sup>[[user_talk:Keivan.f|<span style="color: purple">Talk</span>]]</sup></span> 06:49, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' as per estar8806 (though I am not in favor of New York State) --[[User:Gimmethegepgun|Gimmethegepgun]] ([[User talk:Gimmethegepgun|talk]]) 10:43, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' as per estar8806 (though I am not in favor of New York State) --[[User:Gimmethegepgun|Gimmethegepgun]] ([[User talk:Gimmethegepgun|talk]]) 10:43, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
* '''Oppose'''. While I think the idea has merit, it hasn’t been sufficiently thought through. The status quo is the result of years of discussion and is ok, and should not be hastily fiddle with. —[[User:SmokeyJoe|SmokeyJoe]] ([[User talk:SmokeyJoe|talk]]) 11:12, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
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Latest revision as of 03:08, 24 June 2024

Former good article nomineeNew York (state) was a Geography and places good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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"Official Name"

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The article currently makes the unsourced claim

New York, officially the State of New York, is a state in the Northeastern United States.

But the state's official website[1] uses "New York", "State of New York", and "New York State" almost interchangeably. If anything, "New York State" is the most common usage, even in the official state logo itself. I'm editing the article to reflect this. 23:34, 3 March 2023 (UTC) By the Beard of Worf! (talk) 23:34, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"[Preamble] WE THE PEOPLE of the State of New York...", from the NYS Constitution.[2].--☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 23:48, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
First, that's pure WP:OR based on a primary source that doesn't explicitly support the claim. Second, later that same sentence capitalizes "Freedom", so capitalizing "State" there doesn't mean much; everywhere else the constitution uses "state of New York", "New York state" or just plain "New York", so those three would be at least as "official" by that measure. Taking out the claim of one "official" name was a good edit. Station1 (talk) 08:30, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It sounds like you haven't read enough legal instruments -- articles of incorporation, LLC operating agreements, partnership agreements, constitutions, etc. Actually, as most attorneys are aware, it is quite rare for an instrument used to constitute a legal entity to repeat the full official name of the entity every time the entity needs to be referred to within the document. The most important thing is what the document calls the entity at the beginning of the document, which is "the State of New York". --Coolcaesar (talk) 16:00, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's quite true that first use in text is most important. That generally holds for non-legal documents as well. That doesn't change the fact that the constitution is a primary source; that it does not explicitly say that New York has an official name (unlike, say, the 1898 NYC charter); that throughout the constitution, as well as most state laws, when it uses the term "state of New York", which is not a shortened form, it does not capitalize the "s", unlike the non-standard capitalization used throughout that first sentence. In short, it's an insufficient source for WP to say "State of New York" is the one and only official name. Station1 (talk) 17:31, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The Constitution uses a lot of initial caps in that preamble. It actually reads "We The People of the State of New York". It's hard to infer from that line that "State of" is the true and official name. By the Beard of Worf! (talk) 18:40, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"New York (U.S. state" listed at Redirects for discussion

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The redirect New York (U.S. state has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 February 21 § New York (U.S. state until a consensus is reached. Utopes (talk / cont) 21:05, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shall this title be moved back to New York

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I am motivated to see the FAQ, but I really wanted to start a requested move, but this discourages me to do so, thinking that it may lead to significant opposition. Is there any reason behind the "ambiguous" title and the confusion with New York City? Toadette (Let's discuss together!) 21:52, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sure if you read the previous discussions, participants will have voiced a lot of reasons. A big one if that if someone just links to New York, it's unclear whether they meant to link to the state or the city, since they are both commonly called that. So having a disambiguation page there lets that get sorted out. -- Beland (talk) 01:09, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will soon start a new discussion. Toadette (Let's discuss together!) 20:03, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 24 March 2024

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The result of the move request was: not moved. WP:SNOW closing. There is overwhelming opposition to the proposed move. BD2412 T 02:08, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New York (state) → New York – Failed RM weeks ago at Talk:New York. I am reinitiating the discussion again as it is not an ambiguous term. Ok with Georgia (state) as there is a country with the same name, but except Washington (state), all U.S. states are just referred to as just <state name> with no disambiguators. If opposing, links to verify the ambiguity with New York City can be provided. Just initiating the discussion which was previously withdrawn. It is also to note that typing "New York" ings the city as the top results so what is the point then. Toadette (Let's discuss together!) 20:12, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also noting in the FAQ box how is the matter "now fully resolved" after a decade and half? Toadette (Let's discuss together!) 20:15, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:NOPRIMARY. I would support a WP:NATDIS move to New York State as the official branding [3] and WP:COMMONNAME [4][5]. estar8806 (talk) ★ 17:08, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I thought the official branding was State of New York (which I suggested). Why not use that alternative title? JohnCWiesenthal (talk) 17:59, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Branding is different from legal naming. Legal documents will refer to the "State of New York", while logos, websites, etc. usually use "New York State" or just "New York" (see the source I provided". "New York State" is just more common and concise, and thus makes a better article title. estar8806 (talk) ★ 19:51, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
While not the worst choice of title, the parenthetical is used in part for consistency with other ambiguous state names (like Washington (state) and to ease the use of the pipe trick in city, state, constructions. oknazevad (talk) 23:56, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fair point. But I would also argue that "Georgia State" more commonly refers to the university than the state, and Washington State is ambiguous. I'm also not sure how many people use "Washington State" or "Georgia State", rather than just using the name of the state. As Washington is the only other state that has "(state)" for disambiguation (Georgia has "(U.S. state)"), preserving consistency with one other article just doesn't feel as important when we bring COMMONNAME into the equation. estar8806 (talk) ★ 18:51, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A great reason to use State of New York instead. JohnCWiesenthal (talk) 19:15, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Requested move 29 March 2024

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Looks like it is snowing again. Closing this for almost the same reason as before. (non-admin closure) JuniperChill (talk) 12:19, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New York (state) → State of New York – Tons of people were in favor of moving the title to such in the two previous RM’s. I don’t see any reason to NOT move the title to such. Who’s in? DirtySocks357(WreckItRalph) (talk) 15:40, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per WP:NATDIS. JohnCWiesenthal (talk) 17:55, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Since nobody refers to it as the "State of New York" in conversation or print, I don't see how you think that policy supports this RM. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:10, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To restate one of my points in the previous discussion, it's not like the use of the "State of..." prefix is unprecedented (see State of Mexico, State of Palestine, State of Vietnam, etc.). JohnCWiesenthal (talk) 18:14, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not "unprecedented", but not common either. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:19, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And to restate my rebuttal in the previous discussion, State of Mexico isn't the official name of the state, but the common name for it is a portmanteau of what is literally translated to State of Mexico, so it meets NATDIS, and the State of Vietnam that article refers to no longer exists and so is likely commonly referred to as such to distinguish it from other points in the regions' history --Gimmethegepgun (talk) 10:40, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose ‘Tons of people’ supported this? If there really was tons of support, it’s clearly heavily outweighed by opposition. P sure consensus is set and stone here. It’s okay to be like Juror 8 from Twelve Angry Men and stick out from consensus, but there is no beating consensus. Jason Ingtonn (talk) 03:04, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Not remotely the WP:COMMONNAME. Fails WP:NATURAL. Also breaks WP:CONSISTENT with Washington and Georgia. So alas, there are several reasons NOT to move. (It should be mentioned I am still in favor of "New York State"). estar8806 (talk) ★ 04:54, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:NATURAL and WP:CONSISTENT (see Georgia (U.S. state) and Washington (state)). Keivan.fTalk 06:49, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as per estar8806 (though I am not in favor of New York State) --Gimmethegepgun (talk) 10:43, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. While I think the idea has merit, it hasn’t been sufficiently thought through. The status quo is the result of years of discussion and is ok, and should not be hastily fiddle with. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 11:12, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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