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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 February 2023

FAQ No. 1

This edit request to Muhammad has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

Hello, to whom is editing this web page about prophet Mohammed, peace upon him. Did you know that showing a drawings or picture Mohammed, Peace upon him, is Haram. Please delete all the of the illustration of Prophet Mohammed. May Allah forgive you! Thanks! 76.198.178.69 (talk) 23:46, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done Please read the notice atop this page. Silikonz💬 00:01, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Birth and Death of Muhammad

The article image for Siyer-i Nebi (file here [1]) should be a left thumb at the start of the section "Childhood and early life". It is an appropriate depiction of the prophet's birth and will add good context to the section.

It improves readability by setting a reliable signpost for a significant event in the narrative, namely, the beginning.

Rather than doing this myself, I will leave it to the first editor who agrees, as long as there is not consensus against. DenverCoder9 (talk) 04:24, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just found out that there is a page dedicated to discussing images. Btw, if you're still interested, @DenverCoder19, I don't mind if the picture you're mentioning is included. And if you want, there are many other sections that don't have pictures, maybe you can add or suggest what pictures are appropriate for each section? Though perhaps it would be better if there was more variety, not just from Siyer-i Nebi. Hehe. Thank you. — Kaalakaa ^(talk) 13:57, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done! DenverCoder9 (talk) 15:40, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Portrait of Mohammed

Why isn't there any attempt to at least put a portrait of what Mohammed might have looked like? I know it's a hard topic for Muslims because they are forbidden to draw any imagery of the prophet or God but this is a neutral article right? RickyBlair668 (talk) 09:35, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure what exactly you had in mind but the article currently has 8 pictures of Muhammad. Did you miss them? DeCausa (talk) 10:20, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If you mean as a WP:LEADIMAGE, there has absolutely been attempts. A few short comments on that at Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Muhammad_images#Question_2:_What_image_should_appear_in_the_infobox?. Most depictors seem to have guessed that Muhammad had a beard. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:27, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Because calligraphic depictions of Muhammad are the most common and recognizable worldwide, the current consensus is to include a calligraphic depiction of Muhammad in the infobox. And all the portraits available today not depicts how he exactly look like. Tousif ❯❯❯ Talk 17:00, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the calligraphic representation should remain in the infobox. Hemiauchenia (talk) 17:05, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also agree with current consensus. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:06, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 July 2024

Moved from Talk:Muhammad

– Left guide (talk) 22:45, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This edit request to Muhammad has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

Kuwait.5 (talk) 20:19, 6 July 2024 (UTC) I would like to change the picture[reply]

Like it says slightly above, you need to much more specific. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:46, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add pbuh after mohammed (S.A) name

FAQ No. 5

Add pbuh after mohammed (S.A) name It disrespectful if we won't say pbuh or (S.A)..After taking his name.. 106.200.188.225 (talk) 22:06, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Read the FAQ, please. - Sumanuil. _{(talk to me)} 22:43, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Remove illustrations images

FAQ No. 1

There shouldn’t be any illustrations images on this page. Can this be removed? Calligraphic images are okay. 2605:8D80:13B1:541F:91DC:8278:4AB3:7C70 (talk) 12:49, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:NOTCENSORED. Some1 (talk) 13:53, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And FAQ question 1. - Sumanuil. _{(talk to me)} 18:28, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There should totally be illustrations on this page. Illustrations are a standard feature of biographies on Wikipedia. 203.211.104.189 (talk) 00:00, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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-== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 December 2022 ==
-{{edit extended-protected|Muhammad|answered=yes}}
-Assalamu Alaikum, I hope you and your family are doing well.
-Please remove images from this page which show Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H) or Hazrat Aisha.  I know there faces are not showing in images, it is hidden with white paint but please remove images because it is forbidden to make an image of Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H), his family members and friends. It's my humble request to you. ALLAH will give you highest rewards, INSHAALLAH.
-Best Regards,
-Muhammad Suleman [[User:Muhammad Suleman Hamza|Muhammad Suleman Hamza]] ([[User talk:Muhammad Suleman Hamza|talk]]) 05:47, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
-:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:EEp --> See FAQ #1 for why we have the images there and #3 for how to configure your account to hide the images for your account [[User:Cannolis|Cannolis]] ([[User talk:Cannolis|talk]]) 05:49, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
-== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 February 2023 ==
-{{edit extended-protected|Muhammad|answered=yes}}
-I suggest removing the illustrations of the Holy Prophet PBUH and the addition of "(PBUH)" and "(SAW)" as suffixes to his mention, everywhere in the article. I believe it will further reflect the Islamic ideology and context (in which the biography) should be written. In contrast, I believe that denying such requests and persisting the use of false imagery and illustrations of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)is a direct offense to Muslims and a point of misleading for non-Muslims who are reading or learning the biography.
-Kindly advise and specify the page where this request will be highlighted and responded. Jazak'Allah Khair [[Special:Contributions/103.86.53.250|103.86.53.250]] ([[User talk:103.86.53.250|talk]]) 06:29, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
-:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:EEp --> See the FAQ above.  [[User:Cannolis|Cannolis]] ([[User talk:Cannolis|talk]]) 08:12, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
-::I did read the FAQ above. However, it doesn't appear to have a neutral implication on how the biographical article/page of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is maintained on Wikipedia. Kindly advise on how the illustrations and false imagery depicting Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) can be made "hidden" in general on Wikipedia, i.e., for Muslins and Non-Muslims.
-::Jazak'Allah Khair.
-::[[Special:Contributions/103.86.53.250|103.86.53.250]] ([[User talk:103.86.53.250|talk]]) 11:29, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
-:::The problem is that you seem to want Wikipedia to be written to "reflect the Islamic ideology". That would ''not'' be a neutral style. Wikipedia is not written to comply with ''any'' ideology. [[User:Jeppiz|Jeppiz]] ([[User talk:Jeppiz|talk]]) 11:36, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
-:::The problem is that the IP address may have read the FAQ but failed to comprehend it. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 18:02, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
-::::I find it genuinely intriguing how Wikipedia is quoted as the offending party here, when the images in question were created by ''Muslims'' in kingdoms/empires under Muslim control 100s of years in the past...--[[User:Trans-Neptunian object|SinoDevonian]] ([[User talk:Trans-Neptunian object|talk]]) 18:25, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 == Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 February 2023 ==
+{{collapse top|title=FAQ No. 1}}
 {{edit extended-protected|Muhammad|answered=yes}}
 Hello, to whom is editing this web page about prophet Mohammed, peace upon him. Did you know that showing a drawings or picture Mohammed, Peace upon him, is Haram.
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 Thanks! [[Special:Contributions/76.198.178.69|76.198.178.69]] ([[User talk:76.198.178.69|talk]]) 23:46, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
 ::{{Not done}} Please read the notice atop this page. [[User:Silikonz|'''<span style="background:#36c;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">Silikonz</span>''']][[User talk:Silikonz|<span style="background:#eaecf0;padding:2px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">💬</span>]] 00:01, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
+{{collapse bottom}}
 == Birth and Death of Muhammad ==
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- [[User:Kuwait.5|Kuwait.5]] ([[User talk:Kuwait.5|talk]]) 20:19, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
+[[User:Kuwait.5|Kuwait.5]] ([[User talk:Kuwait.5|talk]]) 20:19, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 I would like to change the picture
 :Like it says slightly above, you need to much more specific. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 20:46, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
+== Add pbuh after mohammed (S.A) name ==
+{{collapse top|title=FAQ No. 5}}
+Add pbuh after mohammed (S.A) name
+It disrespectful if we won't say pbuh or (S.A)..After taking his name.. [[Special:Contributions/106.200.188.225|106.200.188.225]] ([[User talk:106.200.188.225|talk]]) 22:06, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
+:Read the [[Talk:Muhammad/FAQ|FAQ]], please.<span style="color:Purple">''' - '''</span>[[User:Sumanuil|<span style="color:Purple">'''''Sumanuil'''''</span>]]<span style="color:Purple">'''. '''</span><sub>[[User_talk:Sumanuil|<span style="color:Purple">(talk to me)</span>]]</sub> 22:43, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
+{{collapse bottom}}
+== Remove illustrations images ==
+{{collapse top|title=FAQ No. 1}}
+There shouldn’t be any illustrations images on this page. Can this be removed? Calligraphic images are okay. [[Special:Contributions/2605:8D80:13B1:541F:91DC:8278:4AB3:7C70|2605:8D80:13B1:541F:91DC:8278:4AB3:7C70]] ([[User talk:2605:8D80:13B1:541F:91DC:8278:4AB3:7C70|talk]]) 12:49, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
+:See [[WP:NOTCENSORED]]. [[User:Some1|Some1]] ([[User talk:Some1|talk]]) 13:53, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
+:And [[Talk:Muhammad/FAQ|FAQ question 1.]]<span style="color:Purple">''' - '''</span>[[User:Sumanuil|<span style="color:Purple">'''''Sumanuil'''''</span>]]<span style="color:Purple">'''. '''</span><sub>[[User_talk:Sumanuil|<span style="color:Purple">(talk to me)</span>]]</sub> 18:28, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
+:There should totally be illustrations on this page. Illustrations are a standard feature of biographies on Wikipedia. [[Special:Contributions/203.211.104.189|203.211.104.189]] ([[User talk:203.211.104.189|talk]]) 00:00, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
+{{collapse bottom}}