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== Bomb threats ==
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Why is the bomb threat information in the article if there has not proven any correlation between the two topics? <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Dnkus9889|Dnkus9889]] ([[User talk:Dnkus9889|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dnkus9889|contribs]]) 19:15, 16 April 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->
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:I think that is relevant to the topic.[[User:Akubhai|Akubhai]] 19:28, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
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::I fail to see the relevance, unless a link can be shown. [[User:Dnkus9889|Dnkus9889]] 19:38, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
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Can somebody edit the Timeline section? The 15:00 PDT line "Killer Returns as Zombie" really makes wikipedia look classy.
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:We attract vandalism like flies on things like this, it can't really be helped. The good part is that we also attract fly-swatters. That was nuked by an anonymous user, and I then nuked it again, a couple of minutes before you posted. --[[User:Kizor|Kizor]] 19:18, 16 April 2007 (UTC)


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Not a priority, but the references need to be formatted with {{tl|cite}} [[User:129.120.86.145|129.120.86.145]] 19:31, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
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:The use of citation templates is neither encouraged nor discouraged ... Templates may be used ... subject to agreement with the other editors on the article. (see [[Wikipedia:Citing_sources]]) - [[User:O^O|O^O]] 19:36, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
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::I'd suggest leaving it for a couple of days. At the moment, we have our hands full making sure the citations are not repeated, and the cite template is harder to handle. (Or is it? Anyway, not right now.) --[[User:Kizor|Kizor]] 19:46, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
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:::Regardless what format is used, publisher info, retrieval dates, and more need to be added. Again, not a priority, just a suggestion. Cheers! [[User:129.120.86.145|129.120.86.145]] 20:05, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
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==can you add link to Chinese wikipedia==
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[[zh:弗吉尼亚理工大学校园枪击案]] thanks
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*Done! [[User:Halo|Halo]] 19:42, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
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Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a news service. Perhaps we'd be serving everyone better by thinking about what has happened here, and why—rather than debating semantics, numbers dead, etc. And, if you fancy yourself a reporter, there is Wikinews. –[[User:Outriggr|<font color="#112299">Outriggr</font>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Outriggr|''§'']] 19:34, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
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:Of course, but seeing this is a current event, and there'll be some arguments about leads and what not. However, you've gotta be accurate, seeing Wiki is visited by like, 8435389 people daily. [[User:Deletion Quality|Deletion Quality]] 19:38, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
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:We have no idea why, of course, at this point. Numbers and such are all that are available. --[[User:Xyzzyplugh|Xyzzyplugh]] 19:39, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
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:Guys, just be careful- even though your intentions is to provide accurate information, you must understand that this event has just happened. Be considerate, and sensitive in your posts- even if it is just for discussion. Say what you want to say, but just remember- choose your words wisely. [[User:84.112.5.251|84.112.5.251]] 19:52, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
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The BBC has just said 32 dead and the shooter was a student, no links yet I think.[[User:Stevenscollege|Stevenscollege]] 19:47, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
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I personally think that this should be moved to "2007 Virgina Tech Shootings", but I know that since this is a current event, all info here is critical, so I want an OK to do that before I move it. [[User:Karrmann|Karrmann]] 19:49, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
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:If you read above on this page, this article is currently Move Protected, so you won't be able to move it. (Unless you're an admin). --[[User:Xyzzyplugh|Xyzzyplugh]] 19:51, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
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::If it is moved, it won't be to "Shootings" with a capital S. As for the year, if there is a consensus here to move it, an admin can make that move. --[[User:BigDT|BigDT]] 19:57, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
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:::Personally I agree and I can move it, but it's such a heavily edited page right now, I'm reluctant to do so... [[User:Ugen64|ugen64]] 20:02, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
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::::Well, that's true too ... it may be a good idea regardless to wait until overnight tonight. I think there are several possibilities ... [[2007 Virginia Tech shootings]], [[2007 Virginia Tech massacre]], or the non-dated versions of both. --[[User:BigDT|BigDT]] 20:10, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
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I am very suprised,I mean this article is an event that just happened today, and yet already has more than 500 edits plus a discussion page that has already been archived,all at a time when most people should be at work or school.I dont even think too many tv stations are even reporting on this now, and if so then only as breaking news.Is this acctually going to top the [[Columbine High School Massacre]] in terms of notability (which by the way the anniversary is 4 days away) ?[[User:Rodrigue|Rodrigue]] 19:52, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
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:I've been watching coverage online all day. News stations are all reporting it. President Bush is going to address the nation on it in 20 minutes (4:15 eastern time). CBS evening news will be broadcast from VT tonight. I'd say it's a pretty big deal. --[[User:BigDT|BigDT]] 19:55, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
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::::It also now the deadliest school shooting in US history, which counts as notable. [[User:Natalie Erin|Natalie]] 20:23, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

::::: Extremely. -- [[User:Zanimum|Zanimum]] 20:28, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

== Protection ==

This page is linked from the main page and as a general rule, pages linked from the main page should not be s-protected. Given that it is getting an edit every 5-10 seconds, the risk of vandalism not being reverted pretty quickly is low. Would anyone see a problem with removing the s-protection? --[[User:BigDT|BigDT]] 19:53, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
:Try and see what happens. We can always semi-protect again if necessary. --[[User:ElKevbo|ElKevbo]] 19:56, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah, I agree, its not really needed now. [[User:TheGoogle|TheGoogle]] 19:56, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
::Anyone else see a problem with an edit every 5-10 seconds on a protected page? In principle, yes this page should not be protected but do we really want to see all the edit conflicts and vandalism that will occur when there's two edits a second? In fact, I just got edit conflicted right now. [[User:Gdo01|Gdo01]] 19:58, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
:::I've removed the s-protection. If severe vandalism returns, any admin may feel free to reapply it with my blessings. --[[User:BigDT|BigDT]] 20:01, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Note that sprotection has been put back in place by someone. --[[User:Xyzzyplugh|Xyzzyplugh]] 20:12, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::By me. There were several redlink users and IP's adding bad information in. There's edit conflicts enough. We can unprotect later tonight when this cools off a little. [[User:Swatjester|<font color="red">&rArr;</font>]] [[User_talk:Swatjester|<font face="Euclid Fraktur"><font color="black">SWAT</font><font color="goldenrod">Jester</font></font>]] [[WP:CLIMBING|<small><sup>On Belay!</sup></small>]] 20:17, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

== Picture ==

Looks like no one is reading the older comments. For someone who is more knowledgable about copyrights, can we use http://flickr.com/photos/cipherswarm/51049252/? It is of the actual building in the article. [[User:Akubhai|Akubhai]] 19:57, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

:I think also that is a goog Idea to use the photo of tha actual building. [[User:TheGoogle|TheGoogle]] 20:02, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

::I added a pic. Hopefully i did the copyright stuff right. [[User:Akubhai|Akubhai]] 20:22, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

== "Asian man" ==


READ the links you've offered as evidence of an Asian gunman. Only ONE of them mentions his possible race, and then only that one eyewitness said that he was Asian. [[User:Moncrief|Moncrief]] 19:59, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
:This is coming from an audio interview here [http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=67f_1176750363&p=1] with one of the people who was shot who claims the gunman was an asian man. (We have this reference in the article already) --[[User:Xyzzyplugh|Xyzzyplugh]] 20:02, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, that's the only links we have so far. Until I get Google to finish loading, anyway. [[User:Deletion Quality|Deletion Quality]] 20:01, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
:WDBJ is reporting now that there is some confusion about that point. The widely circulated photo of an Asian guy being handcuffed on the ground. But as it turns out, he was actually a photographer from the [[Collegiate Times]] who rushed over to get pictures after the shooting started - he was not the shooter. But they still said the shooter is an Asian, just a different Asian. At any rate, I don't know that it's an important fact - his race has nothing to do with the shooting. --[[User:BigDT|BigDT]] 20:04, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

::More importantly, it's not confirmed information and is only corrobarted by one eyewitness so far in any link offered in the article. I'd say take it out at this point. It isn't information that's being conveyed in the mainstream media. [[User:Moncrief|Moncrief]] 20:06, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
It was mentioned in both MSNBC and Fox News when I added those links to this point. --[[User:Kizor|Kizor]] 20:09, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

::The other problem with "Asian" is that it refers to a region in the world. Is an American with Chinese grandparents who only speaks English "Asian"? If so, why? It's a word with POV built into it unless it describes someone from Asia. At this point, that the identity is entirely conjecture is a good reason to omit this. [[User:Moncrief|Moncrief]] 20:10, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

== Timeline edits ==

Please refrain from changing the format of the hour because military time is far more accurate. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Donwilson|Donwilson]] ([[User talk:Donwilson|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Donwilson|contribs]]) 20:00, 16 April 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

:More accurate? --[[User talk:Elliskev|Elliskev]] 20:02, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
:: Sorry, easier to read.

:::That it's "easier to read" is POV. It isn't "easier to read" for Americans who are used to the 12-hour clock. In fact, the opposite. Also, please sign your posts. [[User:Moncrief|Moncrief]] 20:08, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

:The 12 hour clock was originally put, and was switched. It should be there, regardless of your opinion that it's POV. 24 hours for the sake of making it easier is also POV. [[User:Deletion Quality|Deletion Quality]] 20:18, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

::Who are you talking to? If it's me, I am saying that the 12-hour clock should be used. That military time is "easier to read" is POV. [[User:Moncrief|Moncrief]] 20:21, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

::Didn't read that correctly, sorry. [[User:Deletion Quality|Deletion Quality]] 20:31, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

== President ==

When? this says 4:15, FOX says 4:05 [[User:Jordan042|Jordan042]] 20:01, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
:He's on now. [[User:Rdfox 76|Rdfox 76]] 20:04, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
::And now he is done. That was fast. --[[User:BigDT|BigDT]] 20:06, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
:::ABC News said on their live feed that he was first going to speak at 4:15, then 4:05 PM. At 4:01, the reporter was saying it was a minute to 4:05 and he was about to speak. However, it wasn't until four minutes later, 4:05 on my clock here, that he actually came out and spoke. And he spoke for two minutes because he wrapped up at 4:07. -- annonymous 4:32 PM 4/16/07 <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/70.16.201.84|70.16.201.84]] ([[User talk:70.16.201.84|talk]]) 20:31, 16 April 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

==Deadliest "school" shooting==
Yahoo! News is calling this the deadlist shooting, period. They're comparing it to the Luby's shooting several years ago, which occurred in a restaurant, not at a school. [[User:216.234.128.8|216.234.128.8]] 20:05, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
:I agree since "school shooting" would be a sub category of "shooting" incidents in the US. It seems that it should just read as the deadliest shooting period. Cheers--[[User:Threeafterthree|Tom]] 20:09, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
::[[WDIV]] also reported it as teh deadliest shooting ever, also. [[User:Karrmann|Karrmann]] 20:12, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

According to yahoo, it is the deadliest CIVILIAN shooting, in America. Make sure you include those two qualifications, that it was a civilian shooting, and in the U.S.[[User:Swatjester|<font color="red">&rArr;</font>]] [[User_talk:Swatjester|<font face="Euclid Fraktur"><font color="black">SWAT</font><font color="goldenrod">Jester</font></font>]] [[WP:CLIMBING|<small><sup>On Belay!</sup></small>]] 20:16, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

== 12 hour vs. 24 hour clock ==

Someone keeps reverting to the 24 hour clock concerning timelines on this article. The 12 hour clock should most definitely be used here as it is an American article, a country that prefers the 12 hour clock. If no objections are brought here, I will restore the 12 hour clock and it should stay. [[User:John Stattic|John Stattic]] 20:06, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

:PLEASE restore it to the 12-hour clock, per Wikipedia policy on regional English preferences. [[User:Moncrief|Moncrief]] 20:07, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

If you are going to use the 12-hour clock, as you should as it's an American article on an American event, pleaes lowercase the a.m. and p.m., as is style. {{unsignedip|67.99.36.119}}

==guns==
according to msn, the gunman was weilding a 9mm handgun as well as a .22 caliber handgun, not two 9mm's.

==Bath School disaster==
Someone keeps deleting mentions of the [[Bath School disaster]] out of the comparisons discussion, without a single word as to their reason why. I don't see how it is any less relevant than all other killings listed there, ESPECIALLY if it is being noted as ''the'' deadliest school killing in American history. If you're going to delete, offer a reason why, or don't do it at all. It couldn't be more relevant.[[User:President David Palmer|President David Palmer]] 20:16, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
:Not only does it contradict every sourced piece of infomation in this article, it's not sourced itself. provide a source. [[User:Dposse|dposse]] 20:24, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
::What the hell are you talking about? Go to the Wikipedia entry on the Bath School disaster by clicking on the name, go read the DOZENS of sources given in that article. Just because ABC, CBS, and NBC aren't mentioning Bath right now in their quickly published AP reports doesn't mean it didn't happen. What the hell is there to prove? It's common knowledge, well-cited history. Bath is the biggest school-related killing in American history...not Columbine, and not UofT. Read up a bit for yourself. What exactly is it contradicting, again...besides nothing?[[User:President David Palmer|President David Palmer]] 20:28, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

:Agree, it is relevant, albeit a different mode of killing was employed. Our article appears to be well sourced. What's the problem? --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] [[User_talk:Tagishsimon|(talk)]]
:Furthermore add the list of other school disasters such as [[Our Lady of the Angels School Fire]] which have far more deaths or change the heading. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/156.63.134.4|156.63.134.4]] ([[User talk:156.63.134.4|talk]]) 20:38, 16 April 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->
::The comparisons section is listing incidents similar to this one in nature. A structual fire isn't necessarily in the same category as an intentional massacre or mass homicide.


The article at present is incorrectly stating that the current tally of death surpasses Bath. The Bath death toll was 45. So far, this is at 31 (or 32 if you count the murderer). [[User:128.252.251.44|128.252.251.44]] 20:39, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

== Report from friend on initial victims ==
My friend, who lives in the dorm, says the first 2 victims were the shooter's girlfriend and her roomate.
:According the news, the shooter was killing everyone because he was looking for his girlfriend. [[User:Karrmann|Karrmann]] 20:21, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

:If you know how to cite that please do, and add the info to the article. [[User:TheGoogle|TheGoogle]] 20:21, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

::No original research still applies. [[WP:NOR]]--[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] [[User_talk:Tagishsimon|(talk)]]

== Shooter is not asian, foxnews reporting based on this picture ==

http://news.sky.com/skynews/picture_gallery/picture_gallery/0,,70141-1260911-3,00.html

the identity of the shooter is not confirmed, it is disgusting that wikipedia immediatly report directly from foxnews. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/87.80.113.51|87.80.113.51]] ([[User talk:87.80.113.51|talk]]) 20:20, 16 April 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->
:That, AND MSNBC. --[[User:Kizor|Kizor]] 20:22, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
::Multiple news agencies, not just Fox News, are reporting that the man is asian. [[User:Dposse|dposse]] 20:22, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
::That's not the shooter, however. [[User:Deletion Quality|Deletion Quality]] 20:25, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
The man in that picture is Asian. However, he is not the shooter. He is a reporter from the Collegiate Times, our school newspaper, according to WDBJ. WDBJ is reporting that the shooter is Asian, but a different Asian person. --[[User:BigDT|BigDT]] 20:25, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
::: The arrested man in the Sky News picture is alive. The gunman, according to news reports from ABC, BBC, and Fox, is dead. They can't be the same person. [[User:Abe.Froman|Abe Froman]] 20:27, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

:This [http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=67f_1176750363&p=1] is the original source of the claim that the shooter is asian. --[[User:Xyzzyplugh|Xyzzyplugh]] 20:30, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

== "school shooting" ==

There is a large difference between "the largest shooting in American history" and "the largest school shooting". I added a [[WP:RS|Reliable Source]] per [[WP:A]] that states that this is the largest school shooting in american history. [http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/16/vtech.shooting/index.html] "A lone gunman is dead after police said he killed at least 21 people and perhaps more Monday during shootings in a dorm and a classroom at Virginia Tech -- '''the deadliest school attack in U.S. history'''." Please, stop removing it. [[User:Dposse|dposse]] 20:21, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
:WP:A is no longer policy. Further, this is the largest CIVILIAN shooting in american history, school or otherwise, this is from yahoo.com, and further, reliable sources are now reporting 32. We are reverting you because the information has updated. That's how wikipedia works. [[User:Swatjester|<font color="red">&rArr;</font>]] [[User_talk:Swatjester|<font face="Euclid Fraktur"><font color="black">SWAT</font><font color="goldenrod">Jester</font></font>]] [[WP:CLIMBING|<small><sup>On Belay!</sup></small>]] 20:25, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
::"Wikipedia:Attribution is one of Wikipedia's core content policies." Um, i think you should read the page again. [[WP:V]] and [[WP:A]] are the same thing, and they both are still very much the core policies of wikipedia. I provided a RELIABLE SOURCE from a news agency that updates its article every few minutes, and it's saying that it's "the largest school shooting". Would you like me to come up with four or five other sources that say the same thing and post them here? [[User:Dposse|dposse]] 20:32, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
:::<small>[[WP:ATT]] is a "proposed Wikipedia policy, guideline, or process."</small> --[[User:ElKevbo|ElKevbo]] 20:46, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

== Database is slow ==

The article is not reflecting certain changes in the article history because the wikipedia database has not caught up. Be aware of this. [[User:Swatjester|<font color="red">&rArr;</font>]] [[User_talk:Swatjester|<font face="Euclid Fraktur"><font color="black">SWAT</font><font color="goldenrod">Jester</font></font>]] [[WP:CLIMBING|<small><sup>On Belay!</sup></small>]] 20:24, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

== Opening paragraph ==

This language seems off to me: "It is the deadliest civilian shooting in American history, surpassing the Columbine High School massacre.[14]" It implies that the previous deadliest civilian shooting was Columbine, and I know that's not the case.[[User:Chunky Rice|Chunky Rice]] 20:30, 16 April 2007 (UTC)


Yes, also it isn't the deadliest school incident as the Bath bombings seem to hold that unfortunate title.


== Deadliest school shooting in U.S. history ==
*(Although the opening paragraph has been changed now, might as well put my two cents in) As far as a "deadliest school incident" goes, that would be true, but the Bath school disastor was a bombing, and the sentence did say "civilian shooting", although I don't know if Columbine was the worst (though probably the most publicized). <b><font color="DarkGreen">[[User:Irish Pearl|Irish]]</font></b>[[Special:Contributions/Irish Pearl|♣]]<b><font color="gray">[[User talk:Irish Pearl|Pearl]]</font></b> 20:37, 16 April 2007 (UTC)


I notice there are no references to this in the article, but it seems like a noteworthy distinction among [[List of school shootings in the United States|the numerous historical school shootings]] in the U.S. [[User:Master of Time|<span style="color:green; font-family:Times New Roman"><u>Master of Time</u></span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Master of Time|(<span style="color:green; font-family:Times New Roman">talk</span>)]] 03:50, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
== NPR Report ==


== Vandalism ==
An associate professor of Engineering whose name I did not catch claimed that at least two professors had been shot, including one in the arm and another in the face. He said he heard "at least 40" gunshots, "probably from a handgun". Hope that helps. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Casey-amn|Casey-amn]] ([[User talk:Casey-amn|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Casey-amn|contribs]]) 20:31, 16 April 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->


I just reverted some minor vandalism. Someone changed the first sentence to: "The '''Victoria''' Tech shooting was a shooting that occurred on '''February 5, 2020''', at '''Los Leones 2015, Providencia, in Santiago, Chile'''. '''Christian Flores''', an undergraduate student at the university..."
== comparison ==


I hope this is just a prank. Just in case it is not: is there some precedent on Wikipedia how to react to this? I guess this is not the first time such a thing has happened. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Kaffeekantate|Kaffeekantate]] ([[User talk:Kaffeekantate#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kaffeekantate|contribs]]) 16:14, 4 February 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


:It's not that big of a deal... [[User:2D Is Better Than 3D|2D Is Better Than 3D]] ([[User talk:2D Is Better Than 3D|talk]]) 09:26, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
number 3. is the comparison between past shootings and this one, please move it down towards the bottom, its not important enough to be in the middle of the article --[[User:JoeGoss|Joe Goss]] 20:34, 16 April 2007 (UTC)


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:I agree, I'll move it now if nobody has an objection (it can always be moved back if need be) [[User:TheGoogle|TheGoogle]] 20:44, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
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== Al Qeda==
== Verb Tense Issues ==
I think something should be added about the possibility of Al Qeda members being possibly involved, possibly.


The main body of the article focused on the attacks wildly fluctuates between past and present tense, as well as formal and casual language. Unsure what direction to take it, but my familiarity with similar timelined articles is to use present tense (Person then walks to so and so and does so and so). I might come back when I have more time and rework things, but if anyone else wants to take the time, I think the body could benefit from some tweaking [[User:Equirax|Equirax]] ([[User talk:Equirax|talk]]) 18:10, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
:No. [[User:TheGoogle|TheGoogle]] 20:47, 16 April 2007 (UTC)


Alright, looking through the article again, it is RIFE with typos and poor grammar. I read this page a few months ago and everything is fine, there is a lot of cleaning up that needs to be done. [[User:Equirax|Equirax]] ([[User talk:Equirax|talk]]) 19:50, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
I think that's an unhelpful thing to suggest.


Okay I looked through the revision history, an anonymous editor did a complete rewrite of much of the section I’m talking about. I’m on mobile so I don’t know how to revert edits, but the November 11th revisions are awful [[User:Equirax|Equirax]] ([[User talk:Equirax|talk]]) 19:53, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
==Controversy Links==
''A great deal of controversy is beginning over the alleged lack of warning given to the students after the first shooting incident. Persons interviewed on several news programs have said that they witnessed students going to and from classes as they would normally as late as 9-10 o'clock, about two hours after the first incident.''


:Seconded. The entire body is a mess, it reads like a high schooler wrote it. Too many intermediary edits have been made, so someone will have to undo all of this manually [[Special:Contributions/23.240.245.227|23.240.245.227]] ([[User talk:23.240.245.227|talk]]) 23:25, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
Is there a link for this news source? [[User:Deletion Quality|Deletion Quality]] 20:42, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
::Hi, I edited the entire article to alter the past and present-tense issues on the 24th of November. I decided to apply past-tense in the article as I have seen it used in other historical articles, but if you would like to change it feel free to. I found the way it was previously structured to be abhorrent. Really bloody poor effort on behalf of whoever had been editing it. [[User:N2O Calico|N2O Calico]] ([[User talk:N2O Calico|talk]]) 00:09, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
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== Confusing answer ==
Then link to it, please. Otherwise it's nothing but sensationalistic. If it's true there was a lack of warnings, then link to that. Also, try and find a definition of what "warnings" it is they're asking for. One student shot to death in a dorm to me wouldn't be the same warning that would have helped in the event of a mass shooting spree.


Motive of cho are possibily retaliation to bullying , misantrophy, and mental illness
== Press conference ==
Is there any instance that this shoot is retaliation to misantrophy and retaliation to mental illness.
This is confusing because the motice states he retaliates to three things not one. [[Special:Contributions/2404:8000:1027:85F6:895F:B539:A4E:C2ED|2404:8000:1027:85F6:895F:B539:A4E:C2ED]] ([[User talk:2404:8000:1027:85F6:895F:B539:A4E:C2ED|talk]]) 06:20, 24 January 2023 (UTC)


:I am more confused by what you are actually asking? [[User:Equirax|Equirax]] ([[User talk:Equirax|talk]]) 23:07, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
Virginia Tech's spokesman just announced 31 dead including the shooter in the second incident, and two in the first, for a total of 33 dead overall, in the press conference. [[User:Rdfox 76|Rdfox 76]] 20:46, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
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Deadliest school shooting in U.S. history

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I notice there are no references to this in the article, but it seems like a noteworthy distinction among the numerous historical school shootings in the U.S. Master of Time (talk) 03:50, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism

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I just reverted some minor vandalism. Someone changed the first sentence to: "The Victoria Tech shooting was a shooting that occurred on February 5, 2020, at Los Leones 2015, Providencia, in Santiago, Chile. Christian Flores, an undergraduate student at the university..."

I hope this is just a prank. Just in case it is not: is there some precedent on Wikipedia how to react to this? I guess this is not the first time such a thing has happened. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaffeekantate (talk • contribs) 16:14, 4 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It's not that big of a deal... 2D Is Better Than 3D (talk) 09:26, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Matthew Webster" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Verb Tense Issues

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The main body of the article focused on the attacks wildly fluctuates between past and present tense, as well as formal and casual language. Unsure what direction to take it, but my familiarity with similar timelined articles is to use present tense (Person then walks to so and so and does so and so). I might come back when I have more time and rework things, but if anyone else wants to take the time, I think the body could benefit from some tweaking Equirax (talk) 18:10, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, looking through the article again, it is RIFE with typos and poor grammar. I read this page a few months ago and everything is fine, there is a lot of cleaning up that needs to be done. Equirax (talk) 19:50, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Okay I looked through the revision history, an anonymous editor did a complete rewrite of much of the section I’m talking about. I’m on mobile so I don’t know how to revert edits, but the November 11th revisions are awful Equirax (talk) 19:53, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Seconded. The entire body is a mess, it reads like a high schooler wrote it. Too many intermediary edits have been made, so someone will have to undo all of this manually 23.240.245.227 (talk) 23:25, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I edited the entire article to alter the past and present-tense issues on the 24th of November. I decided to apply past-tense in the article as I have seen it used in other historical articles, but if you would like to change it feel free to. I found the way it was previously structured to be abhorrent. Really bloody poor effort on behalf of whoever had been editing it. N2O Calico (talk) 00:09, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Confusing answer

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Motive of cho are possibily retaliation to bullying , misantrophy, and mental illness Is there any instance that this shoot is retaliation to misantrophy and retaliation to mental illness. This is confusing because the motice states he retaliates to three things not one. 2404:8000:1027:85F6:895F:B539:A4E:C2ED (talk) 06:20, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am more confused by what you are actually asking? Equirax (talk) 23:07, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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