User talk:Jonesey95/Archive2024

Happy New Year, Jonesey95!

Happy New Year!

Jonesey95,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
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I'm stuck

Well, I almost knocked off another set before the new year came in, but four errors in Table tag to be deleted (User Talk) are beyond me, and I can't go further.

User talk:Icelandic Hurricane/February Archive (2x). No idea. While I understand how their menu comes in, I get lost with the infoboxes behavior and they wig out when I do things to fix the table errors and I've given it enough tries in preview.
User talk:JoeNMLC I'm not really "stuck" on how to fix, he just reverted me as he didn't like how something moved a little bit, so I don't want to go back in.
User talk:Fyunck(click)/Archive 9 Not fully sure what's going on. I'm tempted to <pre> that table it since it seems more a discussion on how to do a size change rather than showing the size change.

All yours if you want them.

Happy New Year! Zinnober9 (talk) 07:34, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

I fixed the first and the third pages. The first one still has two pairs of mismatched div tags that may have been created in my edit, but the page displays much better and I ran out of energy. If you can fix them, be my guest. I made a minor edit to the middle page that did change the display a bit, so we'll see how that goes over. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:14, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

A couple of mismatched divs is fine given all the busy syntax on that page. Thank you greatly.

Hope so, thanks.

????? That was what I tried first, but the table didn't appear and Linter said it was missing a bold tag, so it didn't feel right given I wasn't familiar with lsth (and doing |{{#lsth:Roger Federer career statistics|Singles</b>}} which fixed it from linter's perspective felt wrong). No bold issue today for some reason and the table displays, so guessing when I tried it the called table was broken and missing a bold. I can't explain it. Thank you. Zinnober9 (talk) 18:03, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Re Roger Federer and #lsth, yeah, that's pretty obscure. It is transcluding a section of an article. I went to the article and fixed the two Linter errors it had. One of those errors was being transcluded on the talk page, so it got fixed there automatically. In general, when I come across a Linter error that I really don't get, I leave it for others. You did the right thing by asking for help instead of applying a workaround. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:37, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Cleanup request

Happy New Year! I was wondering if you might be able to help with a bit of post-page move cleanup based on this discussion. I am also looking for a bit of help here with Template:Article history and ClueBot archiving, if you're familiar with either. If not interested, no worries! Just seeking help someone a more technically inclined editor than myself. Happy editing! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 20:32, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

This is not my main area of expertise, so I didn't do things in the most elegant way, but I think I have fixed everything. If not, contact me again. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:40, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 21:47, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Non-free biographical images published in 1925

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Non-free biographical images published in 1927

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Biographical images published in 1920

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Nomination for deletion of Template:Constitutional law of Wales/doc

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Clean-Up of Article

@Jonesey95, Thank you for your encouragement and offer to clean up my article on Bobbie R. Allen. I understand your cautioning me about COI and have been conscious about providing citations throughout the article. I'm complete except for a document to be provided from the Harry S. Truman library and your comments and edits are much appreciated! Wdallen49 (talk) 14:06, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

"or from Wikipedia's Visual Editor"

Is there a way to clarify that a bit? I don't use VE, so I'm not certain exactly under what circumstances this might happen. Might be worth covering in a footnote rather than directly inline in the guideline text.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  04:53, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Link please. I make a lot of edits. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:26, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Use of small tags in infoboxes & templates

I've seen that from time to time you remove <small>...</small> tags from infoboxes and templates citing MOS:FONTSIZE. For example here. Do you remove them on sight, or only when you feel the resulting text is just too small? There are hundreds of pages using small tags in {{Speciesbox}} and related templates, for example Suberites ficus. Should I be removing small tags from those templates? —Bruce1ee^talk 11:20, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

I remove small tags when the resulting text is too small, i.e. below 85% of the default body text font size. The default text size in navboxes and infoboxes is 88%, so adding small tags is invalid (except in some title parameters in infoboxes, which are larger than the default). As far as I know, {{Speciesbox}} has a default font size of 100%, so using small tags and templates inside that template is fine. Your browser should have a "Developer Tools" or similar menu that allows you to inspect the actual font size of rendered text and compare it to the default body font size in a rendered article. This size will vary depending on your computer and browser settings, but in general, rendered text should not go below 85% of the default body font size. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:54, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. I'm using Firefox and it has a "Web Developer Tools" menu, but I need to play around with it first to see how it works. —Bruce1ee^talk 17:33, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Click the little arrow in a box on the far left, then click on an element in the page. Then go to the Computed tab on the right side of the very busy toolbar and look for "font-size". Click first on normal body prose text to see your browser's normal font size for Wikipedia pages. Then click on some infobox text, and you should see a font-size number that calculates to 88% of the body prose size. The hardest part is clicking on the element that you want, since every page is a bunch of nested elements and you might not be able to click on exactly the one you want. If you get close, you may be able to click on the item you want in the left side of the toolbox, where it shows the HTML for the page. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:05, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

I tried this on Draft:2024 Auburn Tigers baseball team. Clicking on the normal body prose gives a font-size of 14px in the Computed tab. Clicking on "Jacksonville, FL" in the 5th row of the table gives a font-size of 10.7398px. If the normal text is 100%, then the reduced text would be about 76%, noting that the table font-size has already been reduced to 95%. Since the small text (Jacksonville, FL) is below 85%, the small tags should be removed. Am I on the right track? Also, is there a way to get it to show the font-size in percent, rather pixels? —Bruce1ee^talk 23:57, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

When a table uses both "font-size:95%" (or anything less than 100%) and <small>...</small> tags, I usually just remove the "font-size:95%" declaration from the table's style rather than mess with a bunch of small tags. Other editors may choose a different path. – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:09, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

I think I've got it now. That the tool gives the font-sizes in pixels isn't a problem. Since the default font-size shows as 14px, which is 100%, the threshold of 85% is 11.9px. So any text lower than 11.9px should be questioned. Thanks for all your help with this. —Bruce1ee^talk 08:00, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Check for unknown parameters

You were right about Template talk:Paid contributions.

Why you reverted Check for unknown parameters that I added to templates?

{{Infobox electronic component}}, {{Infobox space station module}}, {{Infobox border}}, {{Infobox financial index}}, {{Infobox dance}}, {{Infobox continent}}, {{Infobox industrial process}}, {{Infobox weather type}}?

Why <noinclude>{{documentation}}<!-- please place categories and language links on the /doc page, not here! --> cause that infobox to break? Like {{Non-diffusing parent category}}. This code exists in almost all templates: {{Infobox video game}}, {{Infobox video game series}}, {{Infobox international handball competition}}, and {{Infobox sportsperson}}.

On your edits you said refer to editor's talk page. But you don't mention any technical reason. Why the code is not working? Have you ever tried it? Shkuru Afshar (talk) 08:18, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

What is the difference between

{{#invoke:Check for unknown parameters|check|unknown={{Main other|}}|preview=Page using [[:Template:Infobox film]] with unknown parameter "_VALUE_"|showblankpositional=1| alt | animator | background_artist | based_on | budget | caption | cinematography | color_process | country | director | directors | distributor | distributors | editing | gross | italic_title | image | image_upright | language | layout_artist | music | name | narrator | narrators | native_name | producer | producers | production_companies | released | runtime | screenplay | starring | story | studio | writer | writers }}

and

{{#invoke:Check for unknown parameters|check|unknown={{main other|}}|preview= Page using [[Template:Infobox weather type]] with unknown parameter "_VALUE_" | ignoreblank=y | name | image | imagesize | alt | caption | area of occurrence | season | effect }}

? Shkuru Afshar (talk) 10:50, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

I responded on your talk page, per WP:TALKFORK. Neither of the above invocations is valid. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:54, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Copy Editing Template Removal

Hi! I noticed that you added a copy editing maintenance template to the 1980 Summer Olympics closing ceremony page. I, along with a couple of other users, have edited the page. Any objection to having the copy editing template removed now? Thanks! AzureDumortierite (talk) 19:58, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

You did a great job. I have provided a few more edits and removed the tag. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:02, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much! AzureDumortierite (talk) 22:19, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

‎Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums#Track template

Hello there. Would you like to take a look at the recent discussion for track listing template? If you have time, your comments are always appreciated. 2001:D08:2910:679D:17AC:38B:3C2:6BDA (talk) 09:20, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

There is already consensus in the discussion that the whole thing is a waste of everyone's time. I do not think that anything I could contribute there would improve the discussion. It would just be wasting more time, including my own. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:18, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Template query

Hello, Jonesey95,

A very new editor created Template:Draft-stub and I'm thinking that it was just a cut and paste of an existing template. Does it look familiar? If so, I don't know whether it should go to WP:TFD or turned into a redirect. What do you think? Thanks! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:34, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

That's a weird one. I'm not a stub expert, but I sent it to XFD via Twinkle. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:29, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Articles containing Juǀ'hoan-language text

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Suggestion from an Actual Copy Editor

Remove the unaccountable apostrophe from "Indigo Girls" (in item two under "Articles I have created"). SteGenevieve (talk) 19:05, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

You mean the possessive apostrophe? I'm happy with it, thanks, unless there is some WP guideline, WP policy, or external usage manual you would care to point to that would help me understand your concern. Happy editing! P.S. I am honored that you chose my talk page for your twentieth edit. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:41, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

ASCII art?

Uh, I am okay, what do you mean by this? jp×g🗯️ 11:56, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

I will admit the colors are not particularly inspired but it looks basically acceptable to me for a technical page :(

jp×g🗯️ 11:58, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

It looks great for a User page. – Jonesey95 (talk) 12:45, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

January 27

Thank you for editing my user space. I honestly forgot I even created this page, but thank you for changing it and it gave me a great tip! <3 Ansony89Talk 18:48, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

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Please link to the edit in question. I make minor edits to many pages daily. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:48, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Jonesey, see Special:Contributions/Red-tailed hawk. It appears that Red-tailed hawk has been posting that message to large numbers of user talk pages, possibly indiscriminately. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:00, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. Red-tailed hawk, I do not find the above message helpful, since it provides no context and does not help me find the edit in question to know whether I should be concerned. Even though the above message says that it "does not imply that there are any issues with your editing", the mere presence of the message presents that implication.
The "topic" called "post-1992 politics of the United States and closely related people" must comprise thousands, perhaps even tens of thousands of articles; are you saying that if I fix a syntax error in such an article, that edit is treated or viewed differently from the thousands of other error fixes that I make on a monthly basis? That seems like a dubious premise, or maybe I misunderstand. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:06, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

No; if you fix syntax errors in those articles and continue to make good edits (like those hundreds of thousands of gnomish edits that you have made), that isn't viewed differently. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 20:08, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

This seems contrary to assuming good faith to me. You should assume that I will continue to make good edits, just as I assume that you will make good edits, unless there is evidence to contradict that assumption. The above warning message should not be necessary unless an editor is making questionable edits. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:16, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Again, not a warning message, and the instructions at WP:CTOP and {{Alert/first}} don't assume fault here. In any case, I continue to believe that you will be a productive editor; I don't see where I'm stating otherwise. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 20:23, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

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Please link to the edit in question. Thanks. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:08, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

The edit you made at Standoff at Eagle Pass (here) was a gnomish edit (albeit not marked as minor). I'm not sure where the confusion here is. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 20:10, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

The confusion is that the edit I made was clearly productive and harmless, and had a clear edit summary, and yet I received the above scary-looking warning message. The message says that it is not a warning, but it clearly is. I just don't see the value to anyone of posting that notification here based on the content of my edit. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:14, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

I understand why the formatting, etc. might come off as a warning at first glance, but I can assure you that this isn't a warning; the template is regularly given to productive editors; it's merely making one aware of the existence of the whole WP:CTOP system and how it interacts with American Politics. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 20:20, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Wow, what a nest of confusion. This is why I try to stay away from drama in nearly all of its forms here on Wikipedia. I'll go back to my gnoming. I encourage you to limit your delivery of the above message to editors who make substantive edits to the prose or references of articles and ignore editors who make gnomish, productive, or otherwise harmless edits. As you can see, it just stirs up concern when misapplied. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:31, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

January 2024 GOCE drive award

		The Modest Barnstar
		This barnstar is awarded to Jonesey95 for copy edits totaling over 4,000 words (including bonus and rollover words) during the GOCE January 2024 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Dhtwiki (talk) 03:35, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Vector 2022 stylesheet question

Hi Jonesey95, I saw your stylesheet changes to reduce blank spaces on the page, but it goes a bit too far for me. I'm just hoping to reduce the amount of blank space to the right of the pinned tools menu and expand the article width by a corresponding amount, maybe 40px at a time until it seems too wide. I don't want to reduce the amount of blank space on the left. Is there some minimal set of common.css changes that would do that? I have been unable to figure this out. (I have "Enable limited width mode" checked in my preferences and I don't toggle to use full width. My screen is 1440x900 if that matters.) Thanks! Daniel Quinlan (talk) 06:39, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Have you tried the section of my common.css that is preceded by the comment "Vector 2022: Fix excessive padding when page tools are in the right sidebar"? You might also want the section after "Vector 2022: Fix font size of items in Tools (formerly More) drop-down menu". Basically, I used my browser's Tools/Inspector feature to point at different parts of the page to identify the CSS selectors that they used, then adjusted my common.css to try to shrink or otherwise change those sections. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:58, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I didn't want to reduce the font size, but I finally found a solution for the method I'm using. One or two more lines were needed in .mw-body in addition to the grid-template. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 22:28, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Nicely done. The CSS selectors sometimes change, so be aware that you may need to update the code occasionally. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:31, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Year in Wales/doc

Template:Year in Wales/doc has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Frietjes (talk) 19:36, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

TPE

Since it sounds from the template talk page that you will not be following through, I thought I'd get your thoughts on me filing review of our mutual acquaintance's conduct at AN, with the view to potentially pull their TPE access. You and I both suffered through the {{marriage}} nonsense, but is that enough to merit removal? Some of their responses in this last discussion would lead me to pull any other TPE's access, but since I'm involved I'm trying to be a bit more cautious in proceeding. Primefac (talk) 12:43, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

I strongly support removal of template editor for them. They keep doing the same thing over and over again: making far too many edits to live templates that are widely transcluded, doing so before and during discussions, making errors, not acknowledging that the behavior is disruptive, and then doing it again. It's not appropriate behavior for a TE. The editor will still be able to edit the sandbox and testcases and documentation if they want to improve templates. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:42, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Posted: WP:AN#Template editor permission review request. Primefac (talk) 16:20, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, Primefac, for your posting to AN. I try to stay away from AN and ANI boards, having had a few bad experiences there, and from drama in general. I always appreciate the editors who are willing to take the time to make valid reports on those boards. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:45, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

I'm deeply sorry for any disruption my actions may have caused. Reflecting on the {{marriage}} situation and the recent discussions, I ought to have been more cautious and collaborative in my approach. My intentions were always to contribute positively but I readily acknowledge that my methods weren't the most effective. I will commit myself to being more mindful and consulting with fellow editors before undertaking significant changes in the future. Regarding the review of TPE access, I respect the process and trust in the community's judgment to decide the appropriate course of action. On a personal note, I'm grateful to you, Jonesey, for the way you have conducted yourself over these past several years, and I believe you've helped me become a better template editor, even as there's still much I need and will endeavour to learn. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 17:10, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Template:Designation request

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Hi Joonsey,

Is it possible if you can add capital letters to the new designation? It kinda looks weird without. Thanks! Daftation 🗩 🖉 16:07, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

The links to the new China-related article and category use the capitalization for those pages. If you think those pages should have different capitalization, suggest that at their talk pages. Or do I misunderstand your request? – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:28, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

I was talking about the new designation for Major cultural heritage sites under national-level protection in Template:Designation. You didn't capitalize the letters, and also the name should be Major Historical and Cultural Site Protected at the National Level, not the one on the Wikipedia page, which I believe is a translation error (see File:Protection signs of buildings on the Bund, 2019-10-18 01.jpg). Also, the number of protected subjects is known, not unknown. It should be 5,058. Is it also possible if you can apply the colour of the background and border that I requested? They are both Chinese traditional colours and picked by me. My original request and code is at Template talk:Designation, and should be the most recent topic. Thank you and sorry for the inconvenience. Daftation 🗩 🖉 17:14, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, the code in the templates is the same as the code you requested, except for the typo I fixed. If you have suggestions for changes, or if you see errors, you can make changes in the template's sandbox and view them on the testcases page. You can also edit the documentation page. I recommend that any further discussion happen at Template talk:Designation, not here. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:05, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Annual report notes

Hi Jonesey; re your notes on the GOCE annual report here, the figures you flagged as possibly inaccurate are for requests submitted from 1 January to 31 December, inclusive. The figures above that line refer to those processed from 1 Jan to 31 Dec, inclusive. The percentage you flagged in the header refers to these stats (I've now corrected the latter point). Does this make sense or am I wrong? Math(s) was never my strong point!

Also, what to do about the unwritten "Closing words" section? Would you or Miniapolis like to write some closing text? If no-one's bothered, I can remove it before sending. I don't want to tread on any toes, particularly those of the Lede Coord, which is partly why I've left the report alone for a week. But if I leave it too long, nothing gets sent out, which is sad. Thanks for your input there, btw. :) Cheers, Baffle☿gab 06:22, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Template:Peso

"Not guilty, your honour". A category was removed in the edit preceding mine; all I did was change the template. Mattythewhite (talk) 17:51, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Mattythewhite: Motion denied (or some other legalism). The /doc subpage contains a category, which is the normal place for template categories to live. When you stopped transcluding it, the template page no longer had a category. I'm fine with your edit; just remember to move the category to the template page (inside the noinclude tags). – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:21, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Template:CSS image crop/Sandbox

For the record, all that was was me trying to figure out - by looking at the differing source code between the mobile and non-mobile sites - why they acted differently. Ended in figuring it out and finding this fix, which fixed the bug. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 8.8% of all FPs.} 20:19, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

I'm glad you found that fix. If you scroll up on the page, you can see that I worked on a fix in 2022 and made some progress, but if you have fixed it the rest of the way, that is super. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:28, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure it's the most efficient fix: I wasn't sure if the first div that only exists if Location=center was actually necessary after the change (it even adds a </div> at the bottom only if Location=center to accomodate it), but just in case that was fixing some other use case, I went with the minimal change. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 8.8% of all FPs.} 22:58, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Smart. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:30, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

By the way, what do you think of my new template for making CSS image crop a little easier to use, {{Easy CSS image crop}}. It doesn't do Annotated Image stuff, but that's pretty advanced and rare functionality, and I don't really want to have to learn enough Lua string handling to make Module:ImageRatio work with an annotated image as the input. I'd imagine something like |[%s]*image[%s]*=.[|}] since it returns the shortest match, and then strip everything before the = from that, but ugh. And I'm not sure if I even escaped the | or } correctly. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 8.8% of all FPs.} 06:48, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

I saw the discussion, but I don't do advanced work with images much. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:46, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

About the 2024 Emperor's Cup edit summary

About the broken syntax, i copied it from the earlier versions of the (section about the participating clubs in the) 2023 Emperor's Cup i retrieved by accident. After further inspection, i believe this mistake was corrected by someone else after i didn't took notice of the "coding error" (i don't know the right term), as the syntax does not present any error in the current version of the (section of) article. I don't think it damaged the article from a visual perspective, though, so i'm relieved. ~~ SoftReverie (talk) 01:56, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I have seen this syntax more than once, so I figured it was being copied from somewhere. There are still more than 80,000 "missing end tag" errors in articles, of which this was one. Once they are all fixed, there shouldn't be anywhere for editors to copy from, at least in article space. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:53, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Query

Hello, Jonesey95,

What do you think Template:Nearest meighbour for whole page/style.css is for? Misspelling? I also don't understand how this editor moved this template without leaving a redirect. That usually only happens if the editor is a Page Mover. But since you know so much about templates (and when pages are mistakenly placed in Template space), I thought you might know. I just happened to spot it on the Move log. Thanks. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:15, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

I have sorted it, I think. When I moved the .css page to the correct name, I noticed that "Leave a redirect behind" is grayed out, as is the checkbox to the left of that option. My wild guess is that CSS pages can't be redirects or targets of redirects, so the normal page mover rights do not apply. A bigger WP CSS nerd than I, like Izno or Redrose64, might know something like that. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:41, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

CSS files - including those in user space - must be valid CSS as defined in the various CSS specs. There is no concept of redirection in those standards. What they do have is the ability to import one CSS file in another, and I do this at User:Redrose64/common.css - it's the very first line. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:28, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Bolivian Stock Exchange

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If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:21, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Intro/interlude as uncredited songwriters/producers

Hi @Jonesey95. There's recent discussion about for suggesting leave blanking only for intro/interlude as uncredited songwriters/producers. If you have time, your comments would be appreciated. Regards. 2001:D08:2952:70C:17B3:1883:ECAA:A9CE (talk) 11:02, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Technical Barnstar
	For your work on templates affecting Portal links Lyndaship (talk) 16:33, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Lyndaship, thank you! I had fun tracking that one down. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:34, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

thx

thx for the cleanup
pandaqwanda (talk) 17:34, 17 February 2024 (UTC) (added a link to the diff pandaqwanda (talk) 17:40, 17 February 2024 (UTC))

You're welcome. The syntax problem was an obscure one; I tried to retain the formatting that you appeared to want. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:14, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

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HTML close p tag removals

Hello Jonesey95,

In this edit, you removed several instances of </p>. Why? When I used to use the p tag, I would sometimes get yelled at for not closing them. SmokeyJoe (talk) 21:49, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

It looks to me like I added closing p tags in that edit. I try not to yell at editors, but the MediaWiki software does sometimes complain a bit on the "Page information" page if there are unclosed p tags present. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:15, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, misread the diff, you fixed the unclosed p tags. SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:54, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

One more adjustment to Infobox professional wrestling promotion

Hi Jonesey95,
Thank you so much for your previous assistance with Template:Infobox professional wrestling promotion. Can I request an additional adjustment? Can you make it so that |split = example produces "Split from" rather than "Split" when it renders in the infobox? I'd be much obliged, CeltBrowne (talk) 13:38, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Sure. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:24, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

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Template:ISBN missing

Hi Jonesey, do you think you could have a look at making this template substitutable, like {{Page needed}}? Thanks, ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 11:53, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Why? It's an in-line cleanup template that assigns a tracking category. Putting all of the extra stuff directly into a page does not make sense to me. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:28, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Because I don't think it's automatically dated by a bot, and it's easier just to type {{subst:ISBN?}} rather than having to go to the documentation and copy the full code. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 14:30, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

This conversation should happen at the template's talk page. Since the |date= parameter does not appear to do anything, and it does not appear to be used often, why not just remove it? – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:14, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

By the way, I tried to subst {{page needed}}, and it did not work. I think you may be operating on multiple faulty premises. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:34, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

It does work though, as can be demonstrated in preview/diff mode. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:45, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Please show a diff in which {{page needed}} has been substed. I did it here (the second instance was a subst) and it did not subst for me. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:46, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

That's the substitution, adding the date. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 22:01, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Ah, mildly interesting. I had put in the date myself, so there was no change. Anyway, it seems pointless if a bot will fill in the date later, and irrelevant to {{ISBN?}}, where the date does nothing. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:25, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

I wouldn't remove it myself without consulting others, as I agreed. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:46, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Special:Diff/1164849222/1205441415

Hi Jonesey, I've tested this change to {{Infobox rugby biography}}, a protected template, based on {{Infobox person}} formatting of the same parameters. I just thought to check this by with you, in light of my recent issues. Thanks, ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 17:36, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Neveselbert, I looked at the sandbox and made a couple of adjustments. Where are the relevant test cases? – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:42, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

There's {{Infobox rugby biography/testcases}}, and there doesn't seem to be an issue. Thanks for those adjustments, ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 21:30, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

You have not edited the testcases page. Which test cases show that your proposed changes actually work? That's what "relevant" means in this context. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:18, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I've been a bit preoccupied. I assumed it works seeing {{Infobox rugby biography/testcases#Test case}}, with there not being any visible issues, as well as through previewing certain pages such as Barry John with the sandbox version. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 16:51, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Where is the test case showing multiple positions that shows the "(s)"? If you have a conditional statement, you need to test at least two possible conditions. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:54, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I tested that through Special:ExpandTemplates. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 17:08, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

I'll be frank. Your track record means that I can only trust your changes if you show your work. Add a test case to the test cases page that shows your new code working when all of the modified labels should be pluralized. Add or modify another that shows all of the modified labels as singular. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:26, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

 Special:Diff/1207765901 ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 17:32, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

That shows one condition in one parameter, AFAICT. There are four labels to test, each with two possible conditions (plural or not). – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:35, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Maybe it's just worth doing the one parameter for now, since that's the only that's been bothering me. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 17:36, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

OK. Change the sandbox and test cases page accordingly. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:42, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

 Done ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 18:03, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: I've reverted the change to the live template, as I think we've miscommunicated. I assumed that, since I had consulted with you and you voiced no further objections after two weeks, as well as the fact that I had both successfully sandboxed and testcased the changes, that it would be OK to implement the changes. Primefac seemed to confirm that the change was OK, before later reverting himself on the same grounds. You haven't provided any further clarity on this, and I feel as if I'm being given the cold shoulder. If you're not interested in mentoring me on sandboxing/testcasing, I'd appreciate if you could clarify that. I've responded to your message on my talkpage regarding my promise, which I did not in fact breach as I clarified, but I accept that I ought to sandbox/testcase all such changes in future regardless if the template is protected or not, and I can promise to do so going forward. I hope you can try and bear with me here, as I am trying. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:43, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

I didn't see this discussion before I reinstated the edit, which is why I reverted. The edit looks fine to me, but it seemed like part of a "test first before implementing" scheme and I didn't want to get in the way of that. Primefac (talk) 20:32, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

No worries, Primefac. I am washing my hands of this one. Anyone who wants to enhance that template should make some sandbox edits and then start a thread on the template's talk page explaining what they propose to change and why. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:40, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Help with TFD

Hello, Jonesey95,

I wanted to nominate the template at the bottom of Coptic Orthodox Church in South America for consideration at TFD but I can't find the page that it is on. When I click V or E, it takes me to a generic template page for templates about the Americas. Can you either point me to the right, specific template page so I can nominate it or post the nomination yourself? It's just a collection of red links for a small church that is highly unlikely to expand throughout a large region in the coming future. Thanks! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:32, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

That navbox is generated using a sort of meta-template that creates a navbox for any topic provided. There is no guarantee when you give it a term that there will be a collection of articles on that topic. The template documentation provides brief guidance: Examples of inappropriate articles for these templates are .... I could create a one-off navbox instance called "Blue-faced species of bananas in the Americas" by transcluding the template at the bottom of a page, and it would be all red. In this case, I think your only option is to remove the navbox from the article if all of the redlinks bother you. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:59, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

There is so much I don't know about how templates work. That's why I rarely ever venture into TFD. Thank you for the explanation. Since there is no existing template for this subject, I think I'll let it be since it likely only exists on this page. Thanks again. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:05, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Template page move

Can you move Template:WikiProject Writing/Sign up to Template:WikiProject Writing sign up and Template:WikiProject Writing sign up to Template:WikiProject Writing sign up/sign (or something) as it better shows the template connections this way. Gonnym (talk) 11:06, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

I have boldly moved all of the pages to Wikipedia space, since they are single-use project pages that don't really behave like transcluded templates with parameters. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:48, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Edit notice

Thank you for this; it makes an immediate and positive difference. I have to say that while i don't remember if we've actually interacted previously, i know that i have learned from your technical ability and have, as in this case, taken information or tweaks you have suggested and used them. Happy days, ~ Lindsay^Hello 08:39, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

I'm glad I have been able to help. Thanks for the nice note. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:07, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

DYK nominations with missing end tags

In response to your query "Why does this keep happening?" in this edit, the problem is <small>...</small> tags spanning multiple lines in Module:NewDYKnomination here:

<small>${STATUS} by ${AUTHORS}. ${NOMINATED} at ~~~~~.

Number of QPQs required: ${QPQS_REQUIRED}

Post-promotion hook changes [[User:GalliumBot#darn|will be logged]] on the talk page; consider [[Help:Watchlist|watching]] the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.</small>

I could fix it myself by bracketing the three lines with {{smalldiv}}, but I'd rather leave it to someone with more experience with modules than me. —Bruce1ee^talk 08:16, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

I had already worked around it with an explanation and a link to more information in my edit summary, but my edit was undone by SD0001, who did not appear to understand that the invalid syntax was causing errors in every new DYK page created with that Module. I have implemented a different fix with div tags. {{Smalldiv}} would probably also work, but I am never sure whether I can use templates directly in a Lua module. – Jonesey95 (talk) 12:47, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks ... —Bruce1ee^talk 12:54, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Can you please assume good faith? This was an edit I did manually when I saw that new nominations were now including irrelevant text in full size rather than small. I did not see that was because of your lint-fixing edit.

Also, if you are going to make such edits in templates, can you kindly ensure that the presentation remains unaffected? People put effort in formatting templates to ensure the necessary details catch attention and others don't. It's not acceptable to change the formatting to make a lint error go away. Using the div tag looks like the correct fix, thanks! – SD0001 (talk) 13:41, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

I usually try to preserve the appearance, but sometimes the original editor's intent, especially when they use in-line tags to span multiple lines, is not clear. (A variant of the above assertion could be that it is not acceptable to introduce a syntax error just to get a page to look a certain way.) It looks like I guessed wrong this time. I'm glad we ended up with mutually acceptable markup. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:45, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

That edit of mine you fixed...

At some point after that edit, I realized stuff like that was happening, and cleaned up most (I thought all) of the instances where that occurred. However, you obviously found one of the instances where I did not fix the issue. I have since added a "[^']" into my search regex, making my search "[^'],'''''" instead of ",'''''" so it doesn't return pages with an apostrophe before the comma. Steel1943 (talk) 21:49, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. That formatting was bizarre before your edits, so it is understandable that strange things happened. Thanks for trying to prevent it in the future. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:40, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

West Bengal Film Journalists' Association Award for Best Actress

You removed a {{border}} from West Bengal Film Journalists' Association Award for Best Actress, with edit summary "Please RTFM. Template:Border is for wrapping text. It uses span tags, so it can't wrap div-based elements." This article had a bunch of {{border}}'d [[File]] calls; the one you removed was a {{border}} around {{CSS image crop}}, which was the only one causing a div-span-flip. Another user reverted you; I reverted that user, but that left all images but the cropped one with borders, so I removed all of the borders. It's strange that {{border}} generates div-span-flip lint errors around cropped images but not around regular images. —Anomalocaris (talk) 22:28, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @Anomalocaris: Regular images don't use <div>...</div> elements any more. They used to, but the MediaWiki software was altered at some point in the last few months so that images are enclosed in <figure>...</figure> elements. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 00:26, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Nomination for merger of Template:Cite GREC

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Template question

Hi there. I see you and User:Frietjes are skilled with templates. At Template:US Census population, would it be possible to add an option so this template could also lay horizontally, or in columns?

I mostly edit US city articles, and very often this lengthy template pokes deep into the bottom of an article, such as Hamilton, Georgia.

Template:Historical populations, by comparison, has options such as columns and horizontal layout.

Is this possible? Thanks! --Magnolia677 (talk) 11:55, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

It looks like the latter template is usable for US settlement populations. I don't know how to program in Lua, so I would not be able to modify Template:US Census population in this way. Personally, I think the pure horizontal layout inhibits comparison of the numbers from year to year, but I see your point about the length of the article. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:23, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Magnolia677, we could probably make Template:US Census population a wrapper for Template:Historical populations which would allow you to use the horizontal or cols options. I agree that the vertical layout is better. for long tables, I usually use |cols=2 or |cols=3 with Template:Historical populations. if we made Template:US Census population a wrapper, these options would be supported. Frietjes (talk) 15:05, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

@Frietjes: That would really help with those short articles that have a long history of settlement. Should I leave it with you, or open a discussion on the template talk page? Thanks! Magnolia677 (talk) 15:47, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

@Frietjes: It would help at Walden, New York too. I tried adding "|cols=2", but no luck. Magnolia677 (talk) 19:35, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

March 2024 GOCE drive award

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barnstar for thanks

thanks for the search query help for typos [1] Tonymetz 💬 23:18, 4 April 2024 (UTC) !

IMO?

Hi, very minor question. You offered advice recently on Miniapolis talk page, re: resolving dispute over c/e, and mentioned "the wrong IMO". What means IMO? I checked WP Abbr, Glossary, and Edit summary legend page, but couldn't find, and google had too many high freq irrelev hits. Context was: sentences with awkward usage, one w/ verb tense, the other awk serial semicolons. Thanks! — Yogabear2020 (N.B. NoviceEditor; Talk) 00:54, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

It's an early internet initialism for "in my opinion". See List of acronyms: I#IMO. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:06, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Great, thanks, didn't think of checking there. — Yogabear2020 (N.B. NoviceEditor; Talk) 01:25, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

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Adding date stamp for archiving. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:57, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

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Div flip

I can't figure this divflip error out. Template:Letter A few hundred issues due to the two errors on the template, and I don't want to just hack at it with test edits. Cheers, Zinnober9 (talk) 23:50, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

One trick is to look inside the templates being used. Nowrap is a span template, and Smalldiv, which I created to solve thousands of misnested small tags back in 2018 or so, uses div tags. So this worked. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:16, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Nowrap... of course. With template code not triggering when passed through LintHint, and all the code looking tidy but so very nested, it's just not as easy to read as some other errors. Thank you again! Zinnober9 (talk) 01:43, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

User talk:Qwerfjkl/Archive 41#Thanks for Linter bot task 27

Forgot about this, I'm afraid. Anyway, I should be mostly free now, so I'm happy to help out. — Qwerfjkltalk 19:37, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

For a quick batch of many thousands of errors, I suggest the "Why can't I edit Wikipedia?" substed message explained at User:MalnadachBot/Signature submissions#Missing end tags. They come in a few variants; I have some regexes for the variants I have encountered in the "Block messages" section in my User:Jonesey95/AutoEd/doi.js file. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:56, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Sorry for the late reply. It looks to me that the easiest way to handle this is to get the list of pages, check each page section for the "Why can't I edit Wikipedia?" part that seems consistent between them, and simply replace that ection with the corrected version, which should take care of any variations. Are there any issues with doing this? I'd need to make sure to keep the signature and anything below that, but that should be doable, especially if the <!-- Template:Uw-spamublock --> is always present. — Qwerfjkltalk 14:46, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

I have found that using the regexes I linked to does the trick for me. If you have another method that you like and that is reliable, that seems fine to me. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:14, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

When I ran the regexes I got edits like Special:Diff/1219573467 and Special:Diff/1219573457. — Qwerfjkltalk 19:38, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

It looks like the first one is valid but incomplete, and the second one is a complete, valid edit. In the first one, a p tag was missed. It looks like an additional or modified regex is needed. Replacing the whole section might be valid; I prefer to make as few display changes as possible when fixing these syntax errors. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:48, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

I assumed the stray </br> was invalid in the second diff. — Qwerfjkltalk 19:50, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Removal of that malformed /br tag does not appear to affect the rendered text. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:28, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

BRFA filed. — Qwerfjkltalk 17:38, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Pretty much done now (13 pages left on the search). — Qwerfjkltalk 17:49, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Great work! I checked all of the remaining pages, and about half of them were false positives. I fixed the rest. This task is complete. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:14, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Template display

I'm going to suspect that you'll get reverted on User:Airtransat236/sandbox/template as that's essentially the same edit I made. I think they want it to appear as {{{text_1}}} left half, {{{text_2}}} right half, as seen here and objected to the corrective edit which for some reason made both appear as 25% width, both on the left half of the page, but they didn't outright state such. I haven't thought of how to keep the 50-50%. Zinnober9 (talk) 21:44, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up on User:Airtransat236/sandbox/template. I have fixed the width of the diff row. – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:02, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

The remaining few table errors, other than User:Halibutt/Archive 15 (which I'll see if Primefac will assist with), boggle my brain at the moment, so if you understand them, all yours if you want them. Thanks for getting a number of other pages the last couple of days; I had gotten to a point where the remaining set of pages were a little puzzling and weren't as intuitive. Zinnober9 (talk) 22:01, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

I've been chipping away at them. They were mostly easy to medium until these last dozen or so. Some of them required digging through and modifying User subpages, which is always fun. I spent a few minutes on each of those lsat few and decided to work on something easier, and now they are all that is left. I know that I'll be able to fix at least some of them. It may take a few days. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:09, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Well, it turns out all I needed was a snack. I fixed the rest of them, leaving only the protected page, User:Halibutt/Archive 15, listed at User:AnomieBOT/PERTable. Perhaps WOSlinker or Primefac would be willing to get the glory of fixing the last page on this list. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:45, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

I asked Primefac about it and some other Full Protected pages that appeared on Wikipedia:Linter/reports/Protected pages by Lint Errors, so one of the three of us will get Halibutt/Archive 15 sometime soon. I don't mind who.

While I'm here, Portal:Maine got its layout malformed on Feb 24th. I've poked at it a little with edit preview, but haven't sorted it out if you want it. Zinnober9 (talk) 03:04, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Portals are the spawn of the devil. I fixed a few hundred or thousand (I have blocked out the memory) portal page errors back in 2022, getting the count down to a reasonable value, but the pages appear back in the report over time even when they are not edited. I became convinced, without any real evidence, that in order to fix Portal pages, we need to get article space down to zero errors first. I've mostly left the space alone since then. That said, I cleaned up a bunch of sloppiness at Portal:Maine. Editors, including myself, should use Preview more and inspect their edits after saving. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:57, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Now I remember one thing about Portal pages: the stripped tags often appear to be spurious or false positives. Most other errors can be tracked down with the help of the ExpandTemplates page, although it can be tricky to read all of the nested divs and tables. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:18, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

It was the big empty space and the stuff shoved to the left I was hoping you saw the fix for, but Portals are certainly evil from the code standpoint, and it's fine if you didn't. Feel like reverting to WOSlinker's revision is a bit too overkill for the layout issue so far, but might come down to it if it's still wonky later. Zinnober9 (talk) 13:35, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

The big empty space actually has some images in it for a quarter of a second, and then it goes blank. I can't be bothered if the primary maintainer of the page doesn't seem to care (and there are no Linter errors). – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:38, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Protection dropped on the requested pages. Primefac (talk) 06:28, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Zinnober9 (talk) 13:36, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Since apparently you did not subscribe

I am moving this to your talk page, since you are the one not acknowledging an error. Happy editing indeed.

Your edit summary gave me a smile. Unfortunately, I used the word "bogus" in a neutral, objective way in my edit summary. See Special:LintErrors/bogus-image-options. If you have a problem with your edits being associated with that word, your beef is with the WMF staff, not with me. Happy editing! – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:17, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Awww and here I was hoping it was "good-faith patroller" that gave you a smile. I do think that that's you, but wasn't there some sort of decision after the last time not to edit people's work as they are working it? It's pretty disruptive frankly. I dunno what dialect of English that developer speaks -- and I carefully say this in the most neutral way possible, as a translator who deals with dialects -- but I agree with this here and with all due respect, it is an insult and I have not given you cause to insult me have I? Recently at least?

I just looked you up and will try to be a little less colloquial, but frankly, I thought you were British when I wrote the above. This is the problem with automated edits. It dehumanizes other editors. In case you hadn't noticed the article is complex and referenced within an inch of its life because it says that due to regulatory capture indigenous Mexicans with a life expectancy of 39 years are subsidizing US agriculture through a peonage system. I am surprised I haven't seen paid editors appear yet to call me a bleeding heart liberal. I would have fixed that caption ten minutes later. The fact that they are crawling on soil that has been pumped full of carcinogens is why the image is there however.

I am not trying to fight with you or give you a hard time. It's just that if you hit Random article, what you get will almost certainly need you more than this article does, and it is being actively worked.

SO. come tell me jokes or funny stories or gossip or, whatever, but if you really really must patrol my work, half a dozen people have done so this week without calling it bogus, and most of them got a thank you.

I would greatly appreciate it if you and your attitude fixed lint errors on some other article thank you very much Elinruby (talk) 08:49, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

No attitude here. I just fix errors. I don't patrol the work of constructive editors like yourself. I usually work from this report. If an article pops up there with an invalid image option or any other high- or medium-priority error, I do my best to fix it. You appear to be manufacturing drama where there is none to be found, which will not help either of us. Happy editing! – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:35, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

You appear to be refusing to process my best attempts to civilly explain to you that "bogus" is an insult and you should not use it. With reference to me in particular in this case, but it would be a violation of the CoC civility policy when applied to anything but (possibly) obvious vandalism. "Manufacturing drama" isn't great either, so I beg to differ about the attitude, which continues to shine through. Please take this constructive criticism on board. If the incivility is caused by software, stop using the software. You and only you are responsible for what you say and do on Wikipedia. Elinruby (talk) 22:09, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

User_talk:Firefly#Request_for_wording_change is my attempt to resolve this. Possibly you could work on the attitude as your part in that. And maybe check to see if someone has edited a page in the prior few minutes before making decisions about what the photo captions should be. I am unsubscribing from this section. Elinruby (talk) 22:36, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Your verbose ire continues to be misdirected; I will, of necessity, be verbose in my reply in order to communicate thoroughly. User:Firefly is not responsible for the wording; their report just matches the word that the WMF staff chose.

I understand that you perceive the WMF's use of the word "bogus" as a synonym for "invalid" as an insult, even though the Wiktionary entry you linked to shows "(computing, slang) Incorrect, useless, or broken." as one of the definitions. That is the meaning used in this context by the WMF. "Bogus", with this meaning, was a 100% accurate description of the error I fixed in this case; there was an Incorrect, useless option provided in the File: invocation.

I have no control over what words the WMF staff choose. I linked you to Special:LintErrors/bogus-image-options (you can also see the word used on the MediaWiki site at mw:Help:Lint errors/bogus-image-options) with the hope that you would understand that I did not choose the word. I have made thousands of edits with an edit summary using that word; the definition as I am using it appears in its Wiktionary entry as a computing term. I used the word "bogus" to match the WMF's choice of words so that the meaning behind my edit was as clear as possible. The edit summary described the error I was fixing using the same words that the WMF uses.

However, out of respect for your delicate feelings about this valid word that I did not choose, I have changed the edit summary that I use in fixing these errors so that it uses the word "invalid" instead of "bogus". No doubt I will now get someone complaining on this talk page that I am using a different word from the official verbiage chosen by the WMF, but such is life. I can't please everyone, but I hope this change can at least please one editor.

If you object to the WMF's usage of the word "bogus" to mean "invalid", Phabricator is the place to file a change request. I apologize for the excessive length of this reply, but it is clear that a brief reply with explanatory links was not proving effective. Happy editing! – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:58, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Also, Elinruby, since we are taking offense at the use of words, I see that you used the pronoun "his" when referring to my talk page and that you used the pronoun "he" while talking about me on another editor's talk page without notifying me. I urge you to refrain from assuming the gender and preferred pronouns of people whose pronouns you do not know. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:05, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

• {{they|Jonesy95}} I stand corrected; I thought I remembered someone who would know calling you a "he". For that I do apologize, especially since I too am a deliberate "they". Apparently either that person was wrong or I remembered wrong. In any event it was lazy of me not to use the template and I should have done so. See easy it is to just acknowledge an issue that needs acknowledging?
• I do appreciate the change to "invalid", actually. Thank you for that. As for not notifying you, I didn't mention your name over there because I was trying to leave you out of any drama, but will be sure to ping you in any further mutual drama that arises. And apparently there may in fact be some, because now we have to debate whether posting a link to your talk page that points to a section where a discussion took place constitutes notifying you of the discussion. Say it ain't so. (sad trombone noises) I am still describing you as a good faith patroller, btw, but you should probably apologize for "manufacturing drama". PS: if anyone gives you a hard time about the change, ping me and I will come over and explain it to them nice and slow. Happy editing! Elinruby (talk) 00:50, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you

It looks better now. Much more to do, but it looks better now. MaynardClark (talk) 01:49, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

I was hoping that you would think so. I was alerted to it because it showed up on a report of new syntax errors; I do not normally edit random editors' pages. Let me know if you want help with it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:52, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Edit Space

Thank you for help fix my edit space! I actually was wondering how do you get that square space around your own profile that contains the about you section? Thank you again! Arberian2444 (talk) 21:11, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Arberian2444, I have added a frame to your user page. If you do not like it, you can adjust it or undo my edit. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:00, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much! Arberian2444 (talk) 01:43, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Volleyball res 51 template.

Hi, I see you were the most recent person the edit the res 51 volleyball template. So I wanted to if you had any idea how to put a attendance section (either permanent or optional) in it because I have struggled to do it? ILoveSport2006 (talk) 19:52, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

All I did at that template was fix some syntax errors. I see that there are many similar templates in Category:Volleyball templates; proposing a change to them at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Volleyball is probably the best next step. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:24, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for offering me advice. ILoveSport2006 (talk) 23:27, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Consider using a bot?

Hi! Thanks for all your work fixing Linter errors. I wonder: have you considered using a bot for the task? I'm not normally someone who gets distracted by semiautomated edits in my watchlist, but your fixes resurrect old pages of interest (old AfDs, for example). They always attract my eye in a way they wouldn't if it were a bot making them. There are so many of the edits, over such a long period of time, that it seems rather well suited for a bot task. Curious if you've considered it. Thanks. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 21:58, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

I do not have the programming skills to (1) create a bot or (2) ensure that it would edit in a fully automated way without errors. I check every edit before saving and frequently abandon edits without saving due to either failure to fix enough problems (hence requiring too many return visits, mucking up your watchlist even more) or script-proposed changes that would not actually be improvements.
I wish there were bots that did Linter fixes, but the good ones have all gotten tired or been blocked for non-Linter-related bad behavior. I apologize for the noise in your watchlist; if there were bots out there, I would definitely prefer that they did the work instead of me! – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:48, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Infobox election row

I've no idea what happened there. I checked it in both the testcases (before implementing) and on a mainspace article afterwards (to make sure I hadn't messed something up when transferring the code) and the default 'Party' showed up... Thanks for fixing. Number 57 22:00, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Sometimes reloading a page does not thoroughly reload every template that is used in the page. I have no idea why it sometimes works and sometimes doesn't. Editing and previewing a page or section, in my experience, always shows you the right result (although saving that edit with no changes sometimes still doesn't, which is frustrating). – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:04, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

I did actually edit/preview as I'm experienced this glitch, yet it still worked fine at the time... Number 57 22:38, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

My sandbox edit

Thanks for your edit/corrections on my sandbox. No problem btw GRALISTAIR (talk) 23:12, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Articles containing Dogrib-language text

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Articles containing Dogrib-language text

A tag has been placed on Category:Articles containing Dogrib-language text indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:43, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Jonesey95,

This category keeps being tagged for CSD C1 because it's an empty category and it shows up on Empty Categories list as a category that should be tagged for deletion. If it is a category that is occasionally empty, you need to tag it {{emptycat}} so that it no longer shows up as an empty category. It's that simple. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:40, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

The speedy template instructions said to remove the CSD template, so I removed it, but then the speedy template was reinstated. That seems contrary to BRD to me. I linked to a relevant discussion in my edit summary. I think this category may have been emptied accidentally. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:02, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

We have database reports and Quarry queries that list all empty categories. Regardless of BRD, we can't have categories keep appearing on these lists daily and ignore one indefinitely. I just tagged it for you so this would stop happening. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:17, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

It wouldn't be indefinite, just until it the problem is resolved. We have similar situations in many other reports with things like redirects that are taken to RFD and so show up on unused template reports. We just put up with the temporary annoyance, knowing that those discussions are open for only a week. Now that {{emptycat}} is on there, it seems possible that this currently bogus but possibly valid category could be ignored forever. Maybe that sort of thing shows up in a different report. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:31, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	Good work Nameless (talk) 03:03, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

I don't know what a Linter error is but I don't want to make any

Hi Jonesey. Are you still up for taking a look at and/or helping me with a mass message? I need to send one for an LA Wiknic and I don't want to do that Linter error thing again. Thank you! Julie JSFarman (talk) 00:13, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes, any time. Send me a link to the page, and I'll check it for you. – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:55, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

I appreciate it! It's here. I think the error may have something to do with the signature. (?) I know it can be wonky on mass messages. And! Will you add the the ? Every time I try to add an image I mess up the layout. (I know, shocking.) Thank you x 100000. JSFarman (talk) 06:48, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Did I somehow just add the categories field or was it already there? omg. JSFarman (talk) 06:51, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Done. I don't see any categories, which is good. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:34, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! I just sent the message and the only mistake I made (as far as I can tell) is that my user name isn't included, which is fine for two reasons: a) there are editors who find mass messages very annoying and b) I would prefer they not direct their annoyance at me. Thank you again! (The categories still look like they're here, on your talk page, but I have been known to hallucinate.) JSFarman (talk) 15:29, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

May 2024 GOCE drive award

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Nomination of Marco Kruger for deletion

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Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums/Album article style advice#"Release history" tables

Hey @Jonesey95: hope you're doing well. If you have time, your comments would be appreciated at WikiProject talk page. Regards. 113.210.105.64 (talk) 13:41, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Linking to template documentation vs template

Given your edit at Special:Diff/1228342855, can you review my related edits:

• Special:Diff/1227917571
• Special:Diff/1228478838

I don't understand your reasoning about linking to templates rather than template doc pages. I'm content to accept your preferences on these edits. Daask (talk) 13:17, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the links. I have made them all consistent. Linking to documentation pages is confusing for readers per WP:EGG; those subpages generally exist to support template pages and are meant to be viewed in the context of the Template-space page. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:28, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Also, some template doc pages are shared by several templates, and vary their output according to which template they are transcluded to. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 14:02, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Lint error on Threadripper

What!? I specified the "div=yes" parameter in the collapsed infobox section begin template so that lint errors wouldn't occur, according to the template's documentation. Yet it still did?!

Also, I know hiding content generally goes against MOS:HIDE; I put those collapse templates there because the "transistor count" section was taking up an awful lot of space in the infobox. On the Ryzen article it was especially bad where the infobox would extend down more than an A4 page worth of length below and push down images, so I collapsed the cache and transistor count sections. Intel Core has a big enough such problem that there are complaints on the talk page there about it. — AP 499D25 (talk) 01:33, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

"Page information" will show you if there are Linter errors. There were six or seven caused by that unreliable collapsing template. If the infobox is too long, remove some of the content and just have it appear in the article. Infoboxes should be a summary of "key facts that appear in the article". – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:58, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Okay I didn't know about the page information containing lint error info, thanks for the tip. I looked at the Linter MediaWiki extension and I had no idea how to install it.

I have ended up deleting the transistor count section anyway, if someone wants to (re)add it later it should be added to some table or section in the article, rather than in the infobox IMO. I have given the Intel Core article the same treatment, just deleting outright trivial info (e.g. bus width and speeds), and trimming some stuff down like the brands, rather than hiding them all in collapsed sections. — AP 499D25 (talk) 05:21, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

HBLR (possibly River Line?)

The signs in the infobox - the text is too large (to compare to real life sign). That's why I was doing that to decrease the size. Sorry if that caused any trouble. Pedroperezhumberto (talk) 16:04, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

The infobox sets the size, and it is standard for all similar articles. There is no reason to make it smaller. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:06, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Sorry about that, it's because I thought they should be at least similar to the real-life size. Pedroperezhumberto (talk) 16:12, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

That doesn't make sense to me. This version before your edit and this version after your edit show only a small difference in the header size. The "real-life" sign labeling the station will be multiple feet across, not a few centimeters or inches like the infobox title. Meanwhile, all other railway station articles use a standard size. Deviating from the standard size introduces inconsistency among similar articles for no apparent good reason. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:34, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

June 2024 GOCE blitz award

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Gallery display assumptions

Just a little FYI, the gallery pages of Charlesjsharp that you edited in April (Insects and Frogs) in a similar corrective way to my May edits for their Mammals and Birds galleries have a few undesired display issues based on last night's discussion on my talk page. I take comfort in seeing that we made the same assumptions in regards to the intended display of these pages with the thought of "User wrote it this way, so it's presumed intended display is this" with how the captions of each image display. Unfortunately, this is not how the user wishes their pages to be, and they (as I understand it) wish for the captions to be centered, and for them to display with black text for all image captions (other than the countries' names which are blue), and for any white lines crossing the page to be nonexistent. And they do not want the three images at the top (under the star) to have a white box encircling them (so don't make it two tables). End result desired is essentially a "do as I had originally displayed, not as I had written".

Would you adjust these two pages sometime when it suites or makes sense? I don't think Charles would be too happy to see I'd edited them all. You may wish to wait until after we know whether or not I've gotten the Mammal page all squared away for him and there are no additional issues found. That way you have a one and done with no back and forth and everyone's pleased.

Thanks, Zinnober9 (talk) 21:52, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I adjusted the pages. You are welcome to copy my edits if the editor is happy with them. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:13, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

You are welcome and thanks, we'll see how it goes. Zinnober9 (talk) 01:19, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

I give up. I realized I left a fostered content error, so I fixed that, only to see the unwanted white box returned again. ARRRRRRG.

User:Charlesjsharp/Featured pictures of birds on English Wikipedia, User:Charlesjsharp/Featured pictures of mammals on English Wikipedia. Help. I know I can fix it and how to fix it, but I'm getting too into my head to perfect it that I've screwed it up again. Zinnober9 (talk) 04:07, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

 Done. Sometimes it's not your day. You'll be able to return the favor for me someday. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:14, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm mad at myself at letting it occur and ticked off that such a simple little thing tripped me up. I appreciate you greatly today. Hopefully I'll sleep it off and tomorrow will be a better day. Zinnober9 (talk) 04:54, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you both for attempting to resolve this. Looking at the Charlesjsharp/Featured pictures of reptiles and frogs on English Wikipedia: Revision history page it was Jonesey95's edit on 29 April that removed the align center layout not Zinnober9. The error has not been fixed. Charlesjsharp (talk) 09:57, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

And thanks for putting up with our edits (so far). I have tried five different things to get the snake gallery at User:Charlesjsharp/Featured pictures of reptiles and frogs on English Wikipedia to be centered, and I have had no luck so far. It looks like a bug so far, but I am going to try to make a simpler case to figure out what is going wrong. The documentation clearly states that mode="packed-hover" should center the gallery images, and copying that gallery to my sandbox results in centered images, but somehow, within the rest of the layout, the images are aligned to the left. It's frustrating. I'll keep working on it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:11, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Does this give you the desired outcome? I added the statement text-align: center; to each gallery's style parameter, like I had with Birds and Mammals and that centered things up.

A small side note: I see the page has some duplicate style="color:black;" statements in some of those galleries (you may wish to clear those up). Zinnober9 (talk) 21:20, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

See, I told you that you would be able to return the favor. That tweak should DEFINITELY not be necessary, but it works. F*** me. [edited to add: It looks like taking away class="wikitable" also works around the problem.] – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Ah, that works too. Kinda figured there was something external to gallery dictating that, but class="wikitable" would not have come to mind. I kept running into centering needs with the removals of the tons of obsolete <center> tags used to center tables when I was clearing fostered content the last few months, so got used to using text-align: center; fairly often. Zinnober9 (talk) 01:30, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:WikiProject TikTok/doc

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Articles containing Dogrib-language text

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Edit to Template:AmFootballScoreSummaryEntry

Just a quick question for you - a couple of days ago, you made this edit to {{AmFootballScoreSummaryEntry}}. I recently was looking over 2022 Liberty Bowl and saw that the score summary template's formatting was messed up, specifically in the vertical alignment of the home team's score in every row, making each row of the table significantly wider than it was normally. I didn't want to revert your edit just to see if that would work and so figured I'd just ask. Do you think something in your edit would have changed the way this template is formatted? Sorry to bother and thanks for your help! PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 16:15, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

My edit did cause that extra whitespace, even though it should not have. I have fixed it. Thank you for coming to ask rather than simply reverting or freaking out. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:25, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the fix and for such a quick response! Much appreciated. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 16:30, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Fostered content (mostly) done

I think the remaining few dozen "42" Fostered content errors are beyond me (a little too templatey/functiony), so I'm done with that set. User:CaPslOcksBroKEn/sandbox (11 FCs) I know to be clean (Of all errors) as I've tested it in my sandbox twice in the last few months by saving it in 2-3 sections, but it's too damn big and won't purge or null edit for a clean result. Do you have any other ideas for clearing these ghosts? I've been aware of it for a few months, so not sure if waiting it out will allow it to self-correct, or if it needs to be pushed in some other way that I'm not thinking of.

Happy to have another bothersome error type pretty much eradicated from the list otherwise! Thanks for getting all of the pages you got to, hope you have a great weekend. Zinnober9 (talk) 18:20, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

That was a fun project! I will poke at the remaining 42 every once in a while. Sometimes I have to sit and let ideas come to me. We can probably get it down to a dozen or so with a few tricks. I cheated on a few by wrapping the offending template code in <includeonly>...</includeonly> tags, since the code was working when transcluded. That trick will probably work on a few more pages, but it fails when there are already includeonly tags inside the code. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:55, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Looks like today's new set of fostered content errors all seem to be related to <onlyinclude> or <noinclude> tags, either on the page themselves, or calling the {{Ranks and Insignia of Non NATO Armies/OR/Blank}} template. I'm not making heads or tails out of any of them at the moment. These tags *shouldn't*? be causing these issues. Zinnober9 (talk) 18:37, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Me neither. I have seen those starting in the last few hours. They look like false positives. Post a new subthread at WT:Linter, in the "dark mode" thread I started at the bottom. I don't know if they are related to dark mode error detection, but something appears to have changed in the Linter detection and I think it might be a bug. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:38, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Ok. I had changed this page Opinion polling for the 2020 Polish presidential election due to this, but only since they were so oddly added with 5x of them at the start of every? table, and the other pages looked like legitimate usage of these. I've seen this popup on a few pages before, but they always cleared up before I got bothered enough to deal with them/ask about them. Zinnober9 (talk) 19:13, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

CaPslOcksBroKEn is now removed from the list. Might have been the two small templates that weren't closed correctly. Gonnym (talk) 12:46, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Hmm. Thank you, not sure why they didn't appear problematic in my tests. Huge pages are ripe pain. Appreciate your efforts.

As for User:Wtmitchell/Draft1 where you replaced all {{!}} code and the like with |, |-, etc ... my understanding is when things are transcluded, they have a habit of interacting with the calling page's code in odd cases. Using {{!}} tells it to stay in its lane and not mix and create mutants with the calling code. @Jonesey95 is there a better way to explain this since you have a greater knowledge of the more template-y language than I? Zinnober9 (talk) 20:02, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

When pipe characters for table layout are used inside of #switch or #if statements, they can trigger the statements' logic instead of acting as table layout. The hazard of using the same character for two important functions. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:42, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Wtmitchell seemed to have known that as well, given they had written a note stating "NOTE: The templated aliases (e.g., "{{!}}") are needed for transclusion. Don not disturb them", and Gonnym changed the page to use pipes and removed that note. I feel that's against the user's intentions, and since it is likely possible to clear the lint and keep the {{!}}, this was the wrong way to fix the page. Had there been no way to fix it with {{!}}, or justification (beyond "I checked all the transcluded pages and they are fine"), I'd be more supportive of this correction. Zinnober9 (talk) 13:48, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

I just checked both of the places where that Draft1 page is transcluded, and the transcluded page looks fine in both places. I assume that Gonnym checked those pages as well and would have self-reverted if they had found any trouble. The page is three years old, so it appears to be no longer in active development. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:51, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Infobox

Hello, Your last contribution to Infobox royalty have made a major change to the template. After the edit, the infobox looks very ugly on Mobile app. I suggest you to revert it because from desktop, the above (name) text in black however, in mobile app it is white and does not match with the background color. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 15:21, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

From desktop, it may look good but in the app it's not you expect. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 15:23, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

This mobile view looks fine to me. I'm not sure how else to troubleshoot it. I have reported the problem at this thread. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:51, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Your mobile view is on light mode? It works on light mode. Mine is on dark mode it's because of that. No worries. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 18:43, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Cite ****ing Q

Hi Jonesey95, I come here because you are one of the people who know everything about references and templates. I'm looking at Gwendolyn Grant (activist) where the {{sfn}}s are broken because the references are using {{cite q}}, which is rendering the references with |author= rather than |last= and |first=. I would like to fix this by substituting the calls to cite q so that I get the call to {{citation}} that they're producing, and then fix them by hand, but I can't work out how to do that – simply substing the calls to cite q just gives me the invocation of the LUA (?) module, which isn't helpful. Do you know a way, or does this have to be fixed in a different way? Thanks in advance, Wham2001 (talk) 23:30, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

{{cite Q|Q126281915|expand=yes}}

{{Citation |id=[[WDQ (identifier)|Wikidata]] [[:d:Q126281915|Q126281915]] |language=en |publisher=Urban League of Greater Kansas City |title=Urban League of Greater Kansas City - Our Team |url=https://www.ulkc.org/our-team-xxx}}

That is citing a website so |publisher=Urban League of Greater Kansas City should be changed to |website=Urban League of Greater Kansas City.

Yeah, there is a bug in the expansion; |url= should not include the template's closing }}.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 23:48, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Excellent, thank-you very much Trappist the monk! Wham2001 (talk) 23:56, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks TtM. Cite Q is junk. Expanding it so that articles can comply with CITEVAR is usually a good fix. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:42, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, my general experience of Wikidata has been "this is a good idea which has been implemented so badly that it's a giant net negative", and cite q is a major part of that. Meanwhile, the article's author has reverted all my citation fixes 🙄 Best, Wham2001 (talk) 20:32, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Well, your changes did contravene WP:CITEVAR, so the revert was justified. Cite Q is still a blight. I provided some options on the talk page. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:57, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments; they're helpful. Yes, I know that my changes weren't strictly defensible given CITEVAR – I was half expecting the revert, tbh. Best, Wham2001 (talk) 21:06, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Discussion about "Label" or "distributor"

Hi Jonesey. In the recent discussion of "Release history" table, Andrew318 said that those are distributors, not labels. So if you have any further comments. Regards. 2001:D08:2960:6C1:17E0:21DE:4238:7DE2 (talk) 07:13, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Warsaw central stations/doc

Template:Warsaw central stations/doc has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Gonnym (talk) 09:37, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

July 2024

Hello, Jonesey95! You recently made an edit to another editor's user page despite the presence of a notice instructing otherwise. Please be mindful of page notices when contributing to Wikipedia — especially in another editor's user space.

9t5 (talk) 09:04, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I did make this minor edit, as indicated and explained in my edit summary. I fixed ten syntax errors, including one high-priority error. Please let me know if I broke anything, and I'll be happy to fix it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:37, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

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ty for linting

This diff was really confusing but I was reading it backwards -- don't know how the hell I managed to leave out the closing tags for those. Anyway, thanks for letting me know, I am currently reworking the render script so I will make sure to get this cleaned up. 👍 jp×g🗯️ 05:21, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

I'm glad you figured it out and didn't get grumpy with me. It's all teamwork. It would be great if you could fix that script; it would fix hundreds of missing end tag errors. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:25, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

I think everything is good now, take a look and lmk if anythings busted jp×g🗯️ 21:05, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Oh, besides the center tags, I will fix those later jp×g🗯️ 21:07, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

That page is still busted. This is the fix. And here's a list of all User/JPxG pages that are missing end tags. It should be pretty small after the bot is fixed and runs through the pages again. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:34, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Template:Format price broken for certain large numbers

Hi there, Jonesey. We are watching Reno 911! lately so I think of that when I see your name. I'm sorry your computer is sad but I thought I'd let you know I posted you a message here. FYI. Is Template:Format price supposed to start with a big red error? Thanks! — Smuckola(talk) 20:09, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Template talk:Infobox journal question

I've run across a slight quandary with a page due to Template talk:Infobox journal and the lint error on American River Review. The Website parameter does not allow "extras" to be written, just the website address and nothing else (a common theme of delinting for me the last few days). The stated website for ARR is now a dead link, so someone logically just added the {{Dead link}} template, but that is triggering a Link in link error.

The easy thing to do would just be to comment it all out, but I was wondering if a parameter like current_status = Active/Inactive like that on the {{Infobox website}} template would be beneficial, or if there was a better way of handling this one. Thoughts? Zinnober9 (talk) 22:02, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

I just did a web search and found the new URL. It was the first hit. I'm not sure why Conkaan couldn't find it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:58, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Had seen that site in the external links section, and thought that it was a supplementary link or a mirror and not the official. I see now that it was just added by Scott Crow in the edit prior to Conkaan (changed from a Facebook link) so possible Conkaan had the same thought I did. Thanks. Zinnober9 (talk) 00:15, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Your question

" Brazilian Romantic painting‎ diffhist −4‎ Jonesey95 talk contribs (Fix Linter obsolete tag errors. Where are people finding this invalid syntax? It has been removed from all articles.)" I expect the answer may be that this is an OKA machine translation from pt:wp. Johnbod (talk) 15:54, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

That makes sense. Some Wikimedia sites are doing better than others at removing obsolete syntax. We still have three million total errors here, but only about 65,000 left in article space after six years of consistent work. German Wikipedia is essentially free of errors, of course. I did some work over at Commons a while ago and fixed a few million errors by editing a handful of templates, but there is a lot of bot work that needs to happen if that site is to get cleaned up. Other sites are even more neglected. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:47, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you!

I just wanted to give you a massive THANK YOU for correcting the issues on my User Page, and for leaving such a kind comment. You are a fantastic user. Thank you. - Mike Longfellow (talk) 08:17, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Nearly there

The remaining few link issues in Userspace (minus Marine 69-71's that I'll get to) are cases I'm not coming up with a clean solution for. They are predominantly a userbox situation that doesn't accept linked text, but the user has dictated a different pagelink instead. The quick and dirty answer would be to just remove the user linking, but I was wondering if you know a way to cleanly keep them the way the users intended.
For Jtmorgan's three pages, it's a difference scenario and is related to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Question-form. There are also three Wikipedia:Teahouse pages with similar issues. Feel like it's probably at the template and not the end user, but it isn't apparent to me. And for Disco's errors... well, who knows if there really was a cat at all. As for the remaining 550-some in Talk, I assume they won't put up much of a fight, but we'll see by the end of the week. Zinnober9 (talk) 00:49, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

This fix usually does the trick for pre-linked userbox parameters where the editor missed the documentation or the template is not documented well enough. I fixed a couple of other pages. I posted a note at User talk:Discographer about their too-large page. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:24, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

A little surprised it was only Various–Music on that list since others of theirs I've come across have been too big for linthint unless I view the page in sections. As for the Good Article userboxes, thanks. That's a nice fix. Zinnober9 (talk) 06:12, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Any idea why this bot's addition of a correctly written parameter is triggering a link in link error? The bot is adding it correctly as stated on Template:Infobox radio station, so I don't feel the issue's at the bot/page's end of things. Suspecting the template needs a minor adjustment given the language used in the descriptions for the |licensing_authority options all stating links. Zinnober9 (talk) 03:08, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

One fix is to remove any wikilinks from the Facility ID parameter. There may be better fixes. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:48, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

{{Infobox radio station}} errors

Hey,

Thanks for the ping. I think the majority of these are actually the FCC ID field being filled in incorrectly (and this can now be blanked, as the bot is adding the relevant data to Wikidata so it should also be pulled through). I think technically these fields containing values other than a number should be a linter error anyway in these cases, just it's not flagged up by the template.

I'm happy to take out flagging the licencing body if needed, however this is what causes the data to be pulled from wikidata, so it's not a perfect solution. I don't want to mess with the FCCID field in the infobox, but may be able to blank this (but with 90% of the task done, I don't know what this buys at this point) Mdann52 (talk) 05:31, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

I'm guessing that a tweak to the template, like using {{delink}} on the facility ID parameter, might help, but I haven't looked at it yet. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:01, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Mdann52-- considering I've seen only 3 or so pages popup this month while you've been running this task, and I've been focused on this Link in Link error type for the past few weeks and fully eliminated it yesterday (had been 900 some userspace pages completely unrelated to you or Radio Stations), I don't see any need for the bot to stop or be adjusted at this point. Since it's a single run task with a limited population remaining, and very few popup cases, keep going and we'll address any few that do pop up (if any).

Jonesey95 and Mdann52-- Your reply to me, Jonesey95, (in the section two above this) surprised me a bit, but after some testing and thinking today, I've found that I had the culprit parameter wrong last night and it's a two pronged issue (sort of). This error exists in only two states-- If both the FACID and the licensing_authority parameters are wikilinked, or if FACID is wikilinked and LA contains anything. All other states have no error, so yes, delinking the FID parameter sounds like a valid course of action to prevent these errors since LA is intended to be populated and linked.

Summary of cases:

Both linked, ERROR

FID linked, LA gone, no error

FID linked, LA plaintext, ERROR

FID linked, LA empty but present, no error

FID plaintext, LA linked, no error

Both plaintext, no error

The only lingering question I had this evening was if there were any pages with FID linked and LA either gone or empty that could be a triggering case later that the bot might have left behind. However, you state above that the bot is adding a populated LA parameter for empty/nonexistant cases, so I believe there won't be any potential trigger cases later on (unless created later on by the random perfect storm editor), and that this bot task will have found all cases by the task's completion (correct me if any part of this understanding is incorrect).

Regardless of the bot, wikilinking of the FID parameter, if possible, should be disallowed or dissuaded in the use of this template. {{delink}} as you mentioned, Jonesey95, looks like a nice solution if it'll work well within this template, but I have no preference of how it is done so long as it's clean and effective, and I trust both of you in this regard. Zinnober9 (talk) 05:03, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Reports

The "nonexistent category" report is at Special:WantedCategories. To be honest, I genuinely don't recall ever having asked for it to be made daily; it runs every three days and thus isn't too onerous to get through. A daily version wouldn't be unwelcome, but isn't nearly as pressing as the polluted category reports (Wikipedia:Database reports/Polluted categories for userspace content and Wikipedia:Database reports/Polluted categories (2) for draftspace), because those only run once per week — I do recall having asked for them to run more often than they do, because running only once a week means that they feature hundreds of pages by the time they update, and thus require me to set aside hours and hours to get through, whereas a run of the redlinked category report rarely takes me more than 30-45 minutes to clean up.

But the draft report is currently broken, so I've been working around it with an ad hoc report that I can regenerate on the fly, and might keep using because that makes it better than the official report. (Wikipedia:Database reports/Drafts with categories helps somewhat, but I've found that it isn't consistently reliable at catching all categorized drafts, so it's never been my primary tool for that job, while the version I was given at WP:VPT when I reported that Dannybot hadn't updated the official report in weeks seems to work better.)

So, I mean, a daily version of the WantedCategories would certainly be appreciated, but it's never been the #1 thing on my wishlist; it's the polluted category reports where I've been more outspoken about wanting more frequent updates, while WantedCategories running every three days has been tolerable. Bearcat (talk) 22:12, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Plants vs Zombies lint outcropping

Skip the Plants vs Plants outcropping of errors, (or really any page created by User:Ergobus). The pages will all be nuked soon. Zinnober9 (talk) 00:09, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

I saw. I fixed a few typos in the user name, to reduce confusion among any admins who might be checking things before deleting. Copy and paste is every editor's friend, but sometimes we forget about our friends.... – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:11, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Ok. I saw you had touched the China Template related to that, so thought it was worth mentioning the nuke conversation before you got invested in clearing the other pages. Zinnober9 (talk) 00:42, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

They are gone now. BTW, the fostered content bug has been fixed, so there are a few new errors to fix now. I found a lot of junk edits that needed reverting in article space. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:44, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Oh good, it was ticking me off that I had just cleared those off to 10 "unfixables", for it to balloon over 1000 on non-errors. I'll join you with those in a few moments. Zinnober9 (talk) 00:49, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Pendennis Club fixes

Sorry, accidentally rolled back your reversions. Fixing references; please leave for the next 15 minutes while I fix them! —Nils von Barth (nbarth) (talk) 01:26, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Ok, should be all fixed as of [2]: no harvtxt, all footnote links work. —Nils von Barth (nbarth) (talk) 01:35, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Much better. Nice fixes. Thanks for leaving a note. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:52, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

OK, but...

The changes in and of themselves were fine, but next time you do things to someone's user page, give them a heads up. Just a courtesy thing, as people usually consider their user page as more of their personal space (as much as one can have here anyway.) Vjmlhds (talk) 17:52, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind message. You received a heads-up in your Watchlist, and possibly in your notifications. I and other editors are fixing syntax errors in tens of thousands of User pages; it is simply impractical to notify every editor, many of whom are no longer active. Talk page notifications would create far too much noise for the affected editors as well as for anyone who is watching their talk pages. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:55, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

At the end of the day, no harm, no foul...carry on. Vjmlhds (talk) 18:16, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello

Hi Jonesey95. Thanks for the minor cleanup. I wondered, if you could do some some more work here? It would help a lot. Cheers. — Sadko (words are wind) 22:36, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

I did some cleanup there. I don't have all of the tools that I need on sr.WP, but my edits may have helped a bit. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:59, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you kindly. — Sadko (words are wind) 10:04, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Q3 1911

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mary_Bonham-Christie RobinClay (talk) 15:33, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Oh, and No, I did not cut & paste - I transcribed part of images.

Amd please rephrase in English you comment "Mark claims as needing" Who is this "Mark" ? Do I know him ? RobinClay (talk) 15:44, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

I can't tell if you are trolling me, but I will assume good faith. I marked some claims. It's a verb. If you are curious about the {{full citation needed}} templates that I added, it may help you to read WP:FULLCITE. Linking to a page where someone can do a search does not count as providing a verifiable citation. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:49, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Template:Ronnie Wood

Hi, did the template look like this:

when you nominated it for speedy deletion as a test page? ★Trekker (talk) 13:11, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

No. It just said "Template:Ronnie Wood". I come across stuff like this in the template space a few times per week. I have no objection to a real template at that location. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:14, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. Seems the original creator made some kind of mistake then.★Trekker (talk) 13:35, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Edits to my user page

That's fine. I copied all those photos from somewhere else, and if they were done wrong there, they should have been fixed.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:58, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

July 2024 GOCE drive award

		The Minor Barnstar
		This barnstar is awarded to Jonesey95 for copy edits totaling between 1 and 3,999 words (including bonus and rollover words) during the GOCE July 2024 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Dhtwiki (talk) 02:48, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks!

Its funny, I have been using Wikipedia for over 20 year, but there are still so many things I don't know how to do. I'd like to add some user boxes and make my page more informative, and to organize my images better. Would you be willing to help me or to make suggestions? Needsmoreritalin (talk) 01:18, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Sure, I would be happy to help you. Post a note on your talk page and link to userboxes that you would like to include, or you can just say "I want the userbox about chess that I see at User:Example's page". I will see what I can do for you. – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:18, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Edit count data. No show.

My edit count data for August 2024 has not registered on my page. Been editing since the beginning of the month. Seems odd. Can you explain? Lord Such&Such (talk) 17:25, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

High replag means that all sorts of stuff that should update will not update until the replication lag goes back to zero. That is my first thought. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:27, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

So it can't be induced? Or just let it go?--Lord Such&Such (talk) 17:51, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

It's slowed by a server update task that is taking far longer than expected (T367856). Once that ends, the server traffic should start catching up. Nothing we can do about it in the meantime. I'm waiting for something to display updated data that hasn't changed since the wee hours of Saturday also. Zinnober9 (talk) 18:41, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

You can count your edits manually at Special:Contributions/Lord_Such&Such until the server catches up. That page shows 68 edits in August. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:51, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Welcome messages

Hello there @Jonesey95. Thank you for fixing the lint error that was introduced while welcoming a new Wikipedia user. Just to clarify, I used the automatic welcome tool in Twinkle to do that. I was unaware of any lint errors. I also chose not to send a standard welcome message beause the editor that I welcomed has an apparent interest in physics. Currently I have scarce knowledge about what lint errors are; would you be willing to explain that to me? Also, can you please check if using the {{welcome-phys}} tag produces a lint error. If so, then it should be fixed in the template's source. Thank you. ❯❯❯ Raydann^(Talk) 20:23, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

There was invalid table-generation code in Template:PhyInvitation, which I have just fixed. Thanks for explaining how you generated the welcome message. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:35, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Off-topic replies from friendly gnomes

(talk page watcher) @Raydann: As I expect you know, in HTML, each element has a opening tag and a closing tag, they normally occur in pairs like <b>...</b>. For some elements, the closing tag is optional (as with <li> or <td>) or even invalid (as with <br /> or <img />). But for most elements, the closing tag is mandatory; and moreover, when one element is nested inside another, each element must be closed in the opposite order to which they were opened. That is, <b><i>Some text</i></b> is valid, whereas <b><i>Some text</b></i> is not. Lint errors are, generally speaking, cases where a required tag is missing, or where closing tags occur in the wrong order. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:04, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @Redrose64

(misunderstanding, nonissue. See below)

<br /> was, to my knowledge, the preferred, and correct, usage of the break tag. If I am incorrect, I'll stop my usage of it. (I also know </br> appears in red with the editor's syntax highlight tool on, while the above appears in green, and </br> can interrupt some tags causing strippage). Break is one of the rare clean cases of a tag written as <foo/>. Nearly everything else written this way is a self closed error (and all known cases of self closed errors on en.wiki have been addressed).

While closing <li> might be optional, leaving off a closing </ol> is not, and it's just safer to be in the habit of closing everything. I've seen and cleaned up enough table errors that I strongly object to the suggestion of not closing <td>. If they don't automatically cause a fostered content error, they often contribute to this, or other errors when things are not properly closed.

@Raydann I see how you did that, and it was with the expected actions, so there's something broken here that needs fixing. @Jonesey95, Do you know why going to the Twinkle Welcome menu, selecting/sending that template creates this Fostered content error? I see it does not cause an issue when the template is written manually as {{welcome-phys}} for some reason, but I also see that the Menu route writes the full text, when it could just add the shorter {{welcome-phys}} and get the same display result for less text on page and no error. Zinnober9 (talk) 21:51, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

@Zinnober9: I didn't say that <br /> was invalid, I said that a closing tag is invalid for that element: that is, it is incorrect to write <br></br>. I'm not getting into the "<br>-versus-<br />" thing here, that's way off-topic.

I didn't mention the ol element at any point: of course </ol> is mandatory, it pairs with an opening <ol> tag. It's <li> for which a closing tag is optional - whilst a li element is explicitly closed by a </li> tag, it is also implicitly closed by (i) a <li> tag within the same list; (ii) a </ol> tag; (iii) a </ul> tag.

The td element is explicitly documented as one for which the closing tag is optional, so I don't know why you feel that it's an error. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 23:08, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

@Redrose64 Oh... I didn't read it that way and thought you were saying <br /> (by itself) was an issue. My mistake. I agree with you on this then, so I've struck it above. I have no real opinion on "<br>-versus-<br />", just against the usage of </br> for the odd cases where it strips something. I mentioned <ol>, since I often see cases where the people who left <li> open left <ol> open also, and not closing OL is an issue. I just think the habit tends to cause some unintentional collateral damage in forgetting in which cases things are optional. Similar thinking behind my <td> stance. The people who I've seen leave them unclosed tend to not to close other tags that are important/required, or forget they need <tr> in addition to <td>. The other reason I close them all is it's also easier to identify where something went wrong when looking at linty pages using syntax highlighting turned on; pages that did close the optional closer tags don't have trailing correct tags displaying in red. Zinnober9 (talk) 00:28, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Offensive edit comments

Jonesey, I'm sure you mean well with your edits, but I really find remarks like "Fix Linter obsolete tag errors and restore noinclude tags. Where are people finding this invalid syntax? It has been removed from all articles and templates." distinctly off-hand, indeed offensive, made none the better for the knowledge that you sprinkle these remarks semi-automatically to all and sundry. There's really no need for semi-automated rudeness on Wikipedia. All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:17, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

I wrote that because I am legitimately curious. How did it occur to you to use obsolete <tt>...</tt> tags in that page? There should not be any valid examples of that long-obsolete syntax anywhere on Wikipedia. If that tag is documented somewhere, I want to fix that. Hence my question. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:20, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

A cleanup task you might add to your set

small refs. That's the really basic search for them, maybe a more sophisticated search could find similar instances (i.e. not right next to each other, or using {{small}} instead). Izno (talk) 19:47, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. If I stumble across them, I'll fix them, but I already have dozens of browser tabs open with search results that need fix-it edits. There are so many things to fix! Every once in a while, I look at ref tags and sup tags and think to myself "Self, those tags are rendered at 80% of the default font size, which is contrary to MOS:SMALLFONT." And then I think to myself "Self, just walk away. Walk. Away." Some hornets' nests are best left unpoked. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:53, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

I've successfully done this particular version before without annoyance. My memory was just that you like doing Small fixes. :P I haven't tried the same with in-wikitext sup/sub tags, though I fear even to look. Izno (talk) 19:59, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

English whisky infobox links

I have created anchors to link to the relevent sub sections for Flavour and Colour where there is detailed information is not working, please could you assist.ChefBear01 (talk) 21:32, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

 Fixed – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:33, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for fixing it and for your help with the article in general.ChefBear01 (talk) 21:35, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Editing my profile page without my consent

Do not make changes to my profile page without FIRST contacting me about what you propose and why. If something is "invalid" ... link to where it states in Wikipedia that it is invalid. Do not take liberties with my profile page. WP:NOBAN. Pyxis Solitary (yak yak). Ol' homo. 22:27, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

@Pyxis Solitary (talk page stalker) See Wikipedia:Extended image syntax#Detailed syntax. You can't specify both frame and size; if you use the former the latter is ignored and flagged as a Linter error. Visually, Jonesey95's edit made no difference on your user page. Mackensen (talk) 23:02, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Pyxis Solitary, please assume good faith; no liberties were taken. Please see WP:UOWN, which explains that all pages belong to the wider community, and the edit summary that I carefully left for you. In it, I linked to the page where you could find more information; here's a direct link. Let me know if you have any questions, or if that explanation does not help you understand why I removed this error condition from a page in User space.

Reverting my helpful edit has added nine syntax errors to Wikipedia, including one invalid image option error; aside from three transient page errors in Portal space, your User page is now the only page in the entire English Wikipedia with an invalid image option. I encourage you to self-revert.

As for contacting you first, I and others have made hundreds of thousands of these edits. If we contacted the editor who created each syntax error before fixing it, the editors would receive twice as many notifications, people with the pages on their watchlists would see twice as many edits, and I guarantee you that I would have dozens of "why are you notifying me before making a trivial fix?" messages on my talk page. Explaining the edit in the edit summary is much better for everyone. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:15, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Your summary says: "Fix Linter errors. Fix invalid image options. I hope you don't mind this minor cleanup edit in your user space." However, the Lint errors page does not provide an explanation for "invalid image options"; in fact, the word "image" does not appear in it. Regardless of WP:UOWN, WP:NOBAN states: "one should avoid substantially editing another's user and user talk pages, except when it is likely edits are expected and/or will be helpful. If unsure, ask." A-s-k. It's that simple. Pyxis Solitary (yak yak). Ol' homo. 01:35, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Well, if we're going to rules lawyer this the part of WP:NOBAN you quoted includes "substantially" in the text, and also except when it is likely edits are expected and/or will be helpful (emphasis added). Jonesy95 probably believed that correcting a linter error, where doing so wouldn't change the appearance of your user page, was both insubstantial and helpful. You disagree, but he could hardly have known that ahead of time.

Anyway, I suppose this discussion counts as him asking, and I think it would be best if you reinstate his edit, or make it yourself. Leaving your userpage as-is means it stays in the linter error report, and some other well-meaning editor will come along later looking to fix it, and the cycle begins again. Mackensen (talk) 02:07, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I've tried the knock first technique, and I mostly got no responses. When I did get responses, I got mainly "Why are you bothering me? Just do it and get out" or had people who had very little idea of what I'm talking about and tended to object until there was an example shown. Jonesey95 was quite respectful in their conduct: they stated the specific error they came to your page to fix, and fixed the other known errors on your page in an appropriate and knowledgeable way while they were already there, and closed with well wishes. Clean, respectful, and informative. Can't get better than that. Zinnober9 (talk) 00:38, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Guardian Force

Hello. I'm contacting you because you've helped me with something else in the past when I had another account.

I've recently wasted many days of my life creating articles about video games just to see people attempt to get them deleted.

Guardian Force (video game) already has references that include:

• A full old magazine review about it
• A review from Hardcore Gaming 101, maybe the most respected English-language retro gaming site
• A review of the compilation by Nintendo Life, a current major gaming site

And since it's in a new compilation, any sensible human being is able to tell right away if they just Google its name, they are gonna find even more mentions of it in recent news articles and reviews.

Still, someone who's on Wikipedia just to destroy our hard work added a deletion template to it anyway.

Please watch this article and make sure they won't delete it. I won't waste my time creating any other articles due to these editors. I suspect they don't even click on the references I spent days searching for on Archive.org and other sites. They just want to delete all new articles while ignoring all the hundreds or thousands of video game articles with no proper references at all.

If you have the time, please watch all the other articles I've created too. Thank you. -- Beqwk (talk) 01:43, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

It can be frustrating to add to Wikipedia, only to see your additions tagged as somehow wanting. I do not see any deletion templates or links to deletion discussions on Guardian Force (video game) or in the page's history; perhaps the person who added the notability template was a "sensible human being" who did a web search and found mentions of the game that you could have added before publishing the first version of this article. I encourage you to click on the links in the notability template at the top of the article, and in the edit summary (click on "View history") used when that template was added. They might help you understand what the article needs.

In the future, I recommend that you create new articles in the Draft namespace in order to receive more guidance than pushback. See Help:Your first article for instructions. You may also gain some insight by reading WP:OTHERSTUFF; arguing that "other articles are worse" holds no water around here. – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:25, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Just in case you miss me

Hi again, Jonesy95! Will you take a look at this mass message to make sure I'm not making any errors? It's in a sandbox, here. I am going to send it as soon as you give me the OK. Thanks! JSFarman (talk) 06:48, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

 Done. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:25, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

I just sent it. Thank you! JSFarman (talk) 14:58, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

very curious

what you might make of the mess at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Anthropology/Oral_tradition_taskforce - there have been attempts to get it up and running but inadequate tweaking so far...

cheers JarrahTree 14:56, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

I fixed a bunch of formatting errors. Good luck! – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:38, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for that JarrahTree 01:03, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

WikiProject Numbers tabs template

Is it accepted practice to put wikiproject templates in wikiproject pages / subpages as opposed to template space? I had no objection to your move but someone has reverted you, and broken the documentation in the process. It would be nice to read any guidelines on wikiproject templates etc. Thanks Polyamorph (talk) 17:52, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Transcluded pages that are used only by one project typically live in project space. The "template" does not take any parameters, so it's really just a shared header for the WikiProject. There is no point in having it in template space. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:55, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes, thanks for explaining. I'll move it back. Polyamorph (talk) 06:22, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Module:WikiProject banner

This is really poor form on a module with 11 million transclusions. Make your edits to the sandbox please, test them properly, and then we can deploy with a more substantive edit. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:13, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

I contemplated teasing apart the nest of transclusions, but with such a small change, I was pretty confident that it would be OK and that I could revert any problems easily. Did I break anything? – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:54, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Well for a start it took you three edits to make one minor change. Secondly, if you do not make the same change to the sandbox then it will likely end up getting reverted when the next sync happens! Lastly, Gonnym has suggested that styles should be put into the stylesheet rather than hard-coding, so perhaps look into that? Not sure what you mean by nest of transclusions — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:24, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

August blitz bling

		The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar
		This barnstar is awarded to Jonesey95 for copy edits totaling over 4,000 words (including rollover words) during the GOCE August 2024 Copy Editing Blitz. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 13:29, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Standings table documentation

Hi Jonesey. Regarding this revert, trust me, you're preaching to the choir. I agree templates need documentation. It's a constant challenge for me when trying categorize some of these templates when there is no description or even a hint of what their purpose is for. The only reason I removed the no doc tag in this case is because I noticed the author removing all the code at the bottom and I thought maybe it was the no doc tag they were objecting to, perhaps rationalizing that the purpose of a standings template is obvious. It was a 'choose your battle' move on my part. Sacrificing the doc tag for keeping the category so I didn't have watchlist the page and get into a conflict over something that was low priority in my view.

I would like to add documentation myself, and I have on a few occasions, but sometimes it's a mystery to me, like in this case. I don't remember ever seeing a sports table standings template that has documentation. Couldn't find an example just now, nor when I searched for one the other day. Could you link to an example? Ideally, in this particular case, what would it look like if it had it? I'm guessing the {{2024-25 Thai League 2 table}} usage syntax, maybe a See also section if applicable, the category, and anything else? --DB1729^talk 02:02, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Templates require documentation. It's not my job to provide it, but if a template's creator (not you) disruptively removes valid tags that point out the lack of documentation instead of adding the documentation, I'm going to re-add those tags in the hope that the creator will document the template's proper usage and scope. I think that particular template is of dubious value. First, the template contains article content, which is contrary to our guidelines. Second, Wikipedia is not a live-updated sports database; a final standings table can be added to relevant articles after the season is over, using section transclusion. That said, I don't want to get into a whole TFD kerfuffle over something that some editors see as being appropriate, so I just tag it and move on. Thanks for adding a category; they are not my forte, and you do a great job with them. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:19, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Predictable

So yeah. Polygnotus (talk) 14:54, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Template:Railway-routemap note

I was thinking that this might be clearer and simpler text:

Useddenim (talk) 20:26, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the proposal, but IMO it is not better. Using "WP:NENAT" in what is supposed to be readable prose strikes me as less clear, not more. And I'd rather not link to the unsupported Rail routemap templates for example don't have to be deleted and result in substitution since they show the route map for certain railway lines. Substitution will be counterproductive as in order to update the route or fix an error would be harder on article space than on template space. It strikes me as a tautology and poorly justified. And the page is an essay, which many editors will look askance at. A consensus discussion is stronger. Anyway, proposed changes to that template page's content should be discussed on its talk page, not here. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:45, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Then what about a shorter Note: Per consensus and convention most route diagrams are single-use templates. Please see this discussion for more information.? Useddenim (talk) 23:24, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Again, I think that is less clear than the note that is there, and it uses different language from the rest of the template. I have incorporated a couple of ideas from your proposal to make the note more concise, though. Any further discussion should happen at Template talk:Railway-routemap. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:21, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Wikidata #643 Wikilink errors

I suspect I know the answer, but do you know of a better way to address the Wikilink errors from this week's Wikidata Newsletter than the following? It's using a nonexistant (on en) template "LangSwitch" as the link title, intended to display the link text in either French or English depending on user's settings. The quick and dirty way to fix it would be to remove the template phrase, keep the English title and remove the French, but I wondered if there's a template similar and does the intended cleanly. Zinnober9 (talk) 16:19, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

I removed the French text, because this is the English Wikipedia. I also asked the sender to fix the messages. They should have received a warning message from the mass message tool, per T358818. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:22, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

We are in agreement then. It's the second Wikidata newsletter in the past month to have a Wikilink error. #641 from two weeks ago had something simpler, so I fixed those real quick thinking it was a one off, but don't really want to do it again. Thanks for notifying them. Zinnober9 (talk) 18:11, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

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Nomination for deletion of Template:Metal–organic frameworks/doc

Template:Metal–organic frameworks/doc has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Gonnym (talk) 12:30, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Can you believe there are still more?

How are there still templates like Template:List of Egyptian hieroglyphs/testcases? Gonnym (talk) 12:28, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

There will always be more. Hmm, we should be able to have a report that catches those: template subpages without a parent page. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:30, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

I found Template:Periodic table (discovery periods)/sandbox with a query. There are 15,000 parentless template pages. I will dig more. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:42, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

I used https://quarry.wmcloud.org/query/86076 and some find+replace removals to create this table of 1,200 suspects. I am guessing based on scrolling through that fewer than 100 will be actionable. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:16, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Ah, I wasn't talking about the parentless, I was referring to our friend, that still has templates being deleted. Gonnym (talk) 15:28, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

I know, but that led me down a rabbit hole. The one I found above with a query was created by our friend. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:30, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Ha! Amazing! I've looked at the list, I think a sizeable chunk can be fixed by moving the templates either per MOS:SLASH (and use "and" instead) or by matching the article is is used on (like some of the railway lines). I'll take a stab at more this week and see how many can be cleared. Gonnym (talk) 16:08, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

I thought about that for some of them, but watch out for names that are reported with slashes in reliable sources or in their article names or leads. I'm looking at Template:Country data Campbell Island / Motu Ihupuku (click to the article) and Template:P.A.Th.E./P.. Be careful out there. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:41, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

I go by what the community deemed the main title. In this case, it is Campbell Island, New Zealand and not Campbell Island / Motu Ihupuku. Templates and categories are always secondary and should follow. Gonnym (talk) 17:37, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Special:WantedTemplates

I noticed a bunch of new "transclusions of non-existing templates" pop-up pointing to User:Jonesey95/AutoEd/pmc.js. Would it be possible for you to add

// <nowiki>

at the top of that page, and

// </nowiki>

at the bottom of the page? This will prevent the backend software from thinking that the page is transcluding templates that don't exist here like Template:Tree chart\/start)\. Since the <nowiki>...</nowiki> is inside of javascript comments, it won't impact the functionality of the script. Thanks! Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 15:32, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Done. That sure is a goofy layer cake of bugs that surfaced this issue. The page hasn't been edited since 28 July, and no report should see calls to templates on a .js page. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:45, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Category:Expired editnotices

Any thoughts on the edit notices at Category:Expired editnotices? Gonnym (talk) 08:46, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

I don't know anything about edit notices, let alone enough to know why this category exists. It does not appear to be explained on the category page or on the linked page (I searched for the string "expir" on the linked page). Maybe Redrose64, who created the category and is usually knowledgeable and helpful, knows what the category is for. – Jonesey95 (talk) 11:40, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Ooof, I did, didn't I. A few days earlier, I had created a heap of editnotices in connection with the 2014 FIFA World Cup, which was ongoing. The request for these was on a talk page which has itself been deleted (if you're an admin, see Special:Undelete/Template talk:Editnotices/Page/2014 FIFA World Cup). Here is a portion of the original request:

... this [editnotice] template has been requested at Talk:2014 FIFA World Cup (link to section) and the visual of the template (and its inclusion) has been discussed and approved at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football (link to section).

There is also consensus at Talk:2014 FIFA World Cup (link to section) to include on the subarticles ...

The request was raised by Qed237 (talk · contribs) at 12:26, 11 June 2014 (UTC).

All of these editnotices have since been deleted; but as an example, 2014 FIFA World Cup Group A had an editnotice that consisted of the code {{Livescores editnotice‎|expiry=22:00, 23 June 2014}}. You can check the docs for the |expiry= parameter at Template:Editnotice.

Three or so months later, discussions came up (now archived at Wikipedia talk:Editnotice/Archive 6#Category:Expired editnotice and Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Archive 114#Category:Expired editnotice), soon after which the category Category:Expired editnotice was moved to its present title.

(TL,DR) Anyway, edit notices are normally built around {{editnotice}}, which has a parameter |expiry=. If this is set to a valid date, and that date is in the past, the edit notice is put in Category:Expired editnotices. It's mainly for things like ongoing events like sports competitions, where we may wish to discourage real-time updates until the event concludes. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 17:53, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

@Redrose64 and when they appear in that category, are they used again or can I send them to TfD? Gonnym (talk) 18:03, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

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Thanks for fixing {{Infobox road}}

Thanks for fixing Module:Infobox road/route. I was doing <p> errors and was able to track the last remaining group down to that module as well, but couldn't fix it myself due to not having template editor rights. So I left a message on the template talk page and was planning to get back to it eventually -- and I just saw you've relieved me of that self-imposed responsibility. :) Gamapamani (talk) 10:03, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

You're welcome. I don't remember seeing your posting, but maybe I did. It is possible that someone else made a similar post elsewhere that caused me to fix that subpage. – Jonesey95 (talk) 12:00, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

John Roderick

I saw you reverted my change to the American podcasters category for John Roderick (musician) and just wanted to say-- my bad. I've been doing a large-scale diffusion of that category and didn't realized I had already tried to diffuse Roderick. I was working off of a quote from Ken Jennings describing the podcast as advice to his past self, but after reviewing the podcast description, I agree with your reversion. Just wanted to provide the update.

Vegantics (talk) 15:00, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I was wondering how you got "advice podcaster" for this person, since the word "advice" does not appear in the article. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:36, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Ivan Prokhanov

Nothing wrong with your edit to Ivan Prokhanov, but I believe I left it in working condition, so I don't understand your comment "the bot will just come back if you leave it broken", as I don't believe I left it broken. —Anomalocaris (talk) 20:45, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Nothing technically wrong with your edit either. "Broken" was probably an overstatement, or the bot's skewed point of view. I don't know what is going on, really. I couldn't figure out why IABot turned

[https://webcitation.org/70nWxCkCf?url=http://pharisai.at.ua/smuta/smuta5.htm Archive]:

into

[https://w {{Webarchive|url=https://web.archive.org/web/20190422030405/https://baptist.org.ru/news/main/view/article/1502498 |date=22 April 2019 }}ebcitation.org/70nWxCkCf?url=http://pharisai.at.ua/smuta/smuta5.htm Archive]:

but I have found that if I leave linked URLs lying around without corresponding archives, the bot will come by and mess them up again. I have reported link-in-link bugs to the bot's owner, but they are relatively rare and I don't think the owner wants to spend time on this edge case. I can't really blame them. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:26, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

DavisCup box

Hey Jonesey, thanks for reaching out to me.
I am trying to do a bit of work in the tennis sphere and I have a couple of different things that I would like to try. The first template is really a modification of an existing template. In this template: Template:DavisCupbox, I was wondering if you knew a way to make this collapsible so that only the heading would be displayed - that is the teams, scores, venue, date and surface were all showing and then the information of the matches were hidden. Secondary to that if there was a function to then display a result (ie. win or loss) with potentially a different background colour (e.g. colour appropriate green or red) would also be possible. This is all so that I can create teams results pages in a way that looks appealing. I have tried lots of different formats (e.g. on my sandbox User:Eccy89/sandbox2#Australia Davis Cup results again but they don't quite look as good as this original template. There were a few attempts that I was also not sure would pass MOS:ACCESSIBILITY with sizing issues as well. This is mainly as I want to overhaul the page I created List of Australia Davis Cup team results so that it can display the information of the individual matches. With a good base/created templates then I can go onto create similar pages for other nations. I hope this makes sense. There is a second template that I would be interested in trying to create but I think trying to figure this one out first would be nice.
Thanks again for reaching out. Much appreciated. Eccy89 (talk) 10:31, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

I made some adjustments to the template and created {{DavisCupbox/testcases}}. If you fill in the testcases page with parameters and values, and more than one type of outcome for a set of matches, I can take a look at your other requests. FWIW, we often show the winner's score in bold, but I can't recall seeing the use of background colors for the same thing. It is discouraged by MOS, I believe. – Jonesey95 (talk) 12:07, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

In terms of colours, I guess I mean like something akin to 2016–17 Sydney FC season#Matches and can be found in hundreds of football team seasons pages, though I am not sure if there was an issue with MOS raised well after all these were created.

The other template I was looking into doing was one for the current team e.g. Australia Davis Cup team#Current squad. Something with a header template e.g. titled something like "template:DCT team header" with the column headers from that article. Then have a second template where you input values for:

• DCT player

|name=

|dob=

|singlesrank=

|doublesrank=

|debut=

|ties=

|singlesH2H=

|doublesH2H=

|overallH2H=

|DCprofile= (In the example I have given you the reference is ATP profile, however I found a Davis Cup profile which I think is better, e.g. https://www.daviscup.com/en/players/player.aspx?id=800158756 )

with the ability to have up to five player inputs. Eccy89 (talk) 13:55, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks so much for the Davis Cup template edit. That's exactly what I was thinking of.

It seems like with the addition of the [show/hide] it has put team1's flag of centre. Would that render properly and is just off in this test case or does it need more tinkering? Eccy89 (talk) 13:58, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Oooooo, also just looking at 2003 Davis Cup#Final - would there be a way to create a default show/hide option - i think in pages like this it would be nice to have the Final default=show, but in the national team result pages have it default hide as many many matches would be too cumbersome to have shown (hence the asking for help creating the show/hide originally). :-) Eccy89 (talk) 14:08, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

sorry to be asking so much of you but I've just realised since the change in format (2019), there was a new template created for the ties: Template:Davis Cup Finals box (as it's only three matches instead of five) - would it be possible to add the show/hide feature on this one too? Eccy89 (talk) 14:13, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

One template at a time, please. If you want help, please fill in the templates at {{DavisCupbox/testcases}} with appropriate parameters so that we can see what the template looks like when it is filled in. I have added green and red colors for |result=W and |result=L, following the footballbox model. I also added a |collapsed= parameter that will collapse the template when it has any value; that behavior can be adjusted. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:20, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Hey Jonesey, I am sorry about second request - it seemed like your changes went live as they had been updated on all pages as far as I could tell. I didn't realised we were still testing it out. I am afraid to say I don't really know how templates work at all so when you say "fill in the templates" I don't quite understand what you mean. I have gone in to results and collapsed sections and filled it in for a match between Denmark and Italy (it this what you meant?) Regarding the collapsed parameter, that seems to be working as intended and the colours too – though the standard tennis colours that appear to be used for W/L are   Win (#98fb98) and   Loss (#ffa07a). I'm over in Australia so I must really be getting to sleep. Again thanks for all your help, it has already been invaluable. — Eccy89 (talk) 15:44, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

When you first posted here, I thought that the template was something you were creating and that wasn't being used, because it had no sandbox or testcases page. I sloppily made changes to a live template being used in 500 articles. That was my mistake. I have removed the slightly broken collapsing code from the live template for now; it is still in {{DavisCupbox/sandbox}}. I don't know why the "[hide]" link is showing next to the left-hand flag instead of at the far right side of the template, but I'll experiment with it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:42, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

ahhhh, OK. I see where the confusion has come from. Yep, no worries. I think reverting it back was a good idea :-) — Eccy89 (talk) 22:33, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: Mate!!! Thanks for all your help and guidance through this process. It has allowed me to try create a new template myself. I had realised that for results we are going to need a "Round info" indicator which isn't present in the original (live) template. I also thought that we could condense it down to two lines instead of three by moving the score into the adjacent column. I have come up with this: User:Eccy89/Template:DavisCupbox result, the testcase is here: User:Eccy89/Template:DavisCupbox result/testcases -- this template is close to how I think it should look. If you have any time left to devote to this project, we just need to make a collapsible option and if you can help figure out a way to create more space between the score and information in the centre it will perfect. (And then I guess some advice around making this live so other users can follow how to use the template - something to do with the /doc I guess. I think I could figure it out by looking at the other template) — Eccy89 (talk) 10:10, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

My creation of unused language templates

The reason I've been creating unused language templates like {{lang-oav}} lately is because it's nice to have certain language templates around, even if they end up being unused, and because I didn't think there was anything wrong with creating them. PK2 (talk; contributions) 10:54, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the edit on Template:Infobox_joke/doc

Hey there! Thanks for tacking on TD Header + template for Template:Infobox joke. I was chipping away at adding info to the docs and just used the stock "Edit Template Data" option to create the skeleton.

Your edit note about not being sure why copy/pasting wasn't used on an example caught my eye. I was looking around at WP:TDATA and WP:DOC for an example and didn't see any immediately suggested additions like this or something like Template:Format_TemplateData.

What sort of base example do you typically use as the starting point for carving out initial docs?

Thanks again for adding that in!

Cheers,

Pedantical (talk) 15:51, 21 September 2024 (UTC) Pedantical (talk) 15:51, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

I feel like somewhere I saw a standard setup for that section, including a "TemplateData" section header and the {{templatedata header}} template that links to the monthly report. Maybe I just copied and pasted from other template /doc pages, though. I have added them to the example at Wikipedia:TemplateData. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:33, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Small tags in infoboxes & templates redux

Following on from this conversation I had with you at the beginning of the year, is MOS:SMALLFONT's font size restriction mandatory, or are there times when it can be ignored? Several of my edits removing small tags from infoboxes where the font size is less than 85% of the page default have been reverted, like this one and this one. I can see restoring my edits could start an edit war. —Bruce1ee^talk 07:44, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Accessibility is a core policy of Wikipedia. If you get reverted and think the revert was wrong, as SapCal9719 was in that first edit (made without an edit summary, I note), you're supposed to discuss the revert with the reverting editor. I have found that once I explain this admittedly technical and difficult-to-perceive problem, most editors understand. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:52, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Coincidentally, I just got a "Thanks" notification for this four-year-old edit. I remove inappropriate small tags quite frequently (but not always, since I am usually editing for some other purpose), and I almost never get reverted. Most people get it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:10, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll discuss this with the reverting editor before reinstating my original edit. —Bruce1ee^talk 15:41, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Linter errors in succession boxes

Hi, I see that you have made several edits like this. In such cases, it's not the closing ''' markup that was missing, but the opening markup: it was broken way back in 2006 with this edit. The cell data (after the "Succeeded by") is already bolded, so the year range ends up being double-bolded, which looks bad. Some browsers will silently alter double-bold to normal bold, but Firefox doesn't. Also, applying bold to the year range and not the peerson's name is undesirable, so the correct fix was to remove the unbalanced bold markup. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 07:52, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

After my edit, the code looked like this:

{| class="wikitable succession-box noprint" style="margin:0.5em auto; font-size:small;clear:both;"

|- style="text-align: center;"
|- style="text-align:center;"
|style="width:30%;" rowspan="1"|Preceded&nbsp;by<div style="font-weight: bold">[[John Aspinall (engineer)|John Aspinall]]</div>
| style="width: 40%; text-align: center;" rowspan="1"|''' [[Chief Mechanical Engineer]] of the [[Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway]] '''<br />1899–1904        
| style="width: 30%; text-align: center;" rowspan="1"|  Succeeded&nbsp;by<div style="font-weight: bold">[[George Hughes (engineer)|George Hughes]]'''<br>1904–1922'''</div>
|-
|}

I see that there is bold markup inside a "div bold" tag. The rendered text manages to look fine in my browser, but I see what you're getting at. Different parameters exhibit different behavior in these succession box templates, and I do not see any documentation explaining which parameters accept and do not accept bold markup and line breaks. Bold markup is applied to |title= using ' characters and to |after= using div tags. Even within {{s-aft}}, div tags are used for |after=, but ' characters are used for |as=. It is a maddening, nonsensical mess, AFAICT.

I have ended up fiddling with the markup until the display looks right (in my browser) and there are no more Linter errors. Anything further from me would require making the templates behave in a sane way, or at least be documented reasonably. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:53, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Another reason why succession box style of templates is horrible and should have been converted long ago to one of the more modern systems we have. Gonnym (talk) 16:39, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Template question

Since you deal with templates on a semi-regular basis, I'd like to run this question by you and see if you have a simple and clean solution. WOSlinker and I were discussing last month two templates on Wikivoyage that were causing lint. We fixed the infobox one, but the other (now ~50 pages with missing/stripped issues) we haven't determined a preventative solution for, and I wondered if you had any ideas.

The quick summary of the issue is the See/Do/Buy/Drink/Sleep/etc templates (that are all written similarly) all report a missing and stripped bdi error when the content field contains manual line breaks. While these affected pages could be fixed by replacing the manual line breaks with break tags for the multiline text on each page, I feel that's the quick and dirty fix for the current pages rather than a preventative solution for a field that is ripe for a couple of lines of text with with a line break. Is that your read on the templates' Content parameter usage too, and is this something that changing the Content parameter's data type would solve, or is there some other simple and clean solution that we haven't thought of yet? Open to suggestions.

Thanks, Zinnober9 (talk) 18:43, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

voy:Template:Listing encloses everything in a <bdi class="vcard">...</bdi> but the content model for the bdi element is phrasing content - it cannot enclose block elements. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:12, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Sometimes there are ways around this limitation, for example using style="display:block;", but any sort of fiddling like that breaks the display of the template. It looks like the <bdi>...</bdi> tags are useful, so the only thing I can think to do is to work around the limitation in the individual pages where this inline tag is used to surround block content. In template transclusions here on en.WP, I typically use <br> tags to put all of the content on a single line. There are probably other ways to in-line block content.

If this is happening only in the |content= parameter, you could introduce a |content-block=yes option into the template and then replace the bdi tags with div tags or just omit them. I experimented with that a bit but did not come up with anything brilliant that fixes everything. One big problem is when the content starts on a regular line (no indents) and then ends on a * or ** line, or vice versa; that can cause misnested tag errors, as I'm sure you have seen. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:17, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

"Content" has been the only parameter I've seen regularly with the issue. Other than a one-off here or there that was cleared with break tags, all other parameters have been real short, single line entries. |content-block=yes sounds interesting. I take it that is incompatible with bdi, but works with div? The majority of the remaining current cases are mainly ones with * or : so that might be an issue.

The other two issues I haven't figured out are the stripped span issue on voy:Template talk:Divesitelisting (the bulletting with span vcard is the culprit. Swapping it to div doesn't fix, so not sure how to keep the intended look and clear error), and the wikilink error on voy:User:Alachuckthebuck/usercontrib. He's trying to substitute in userboxes from here that don't all exist equally there, and using templates that also don't exist there. Is that link error fixable without completely rehauling/fixing the red templates?

Otherwise, Voyage has been rather simple to delint. I wandered over there for a little bit after you and I finished off the Bogus Image parameters since they had some sections that were small and clearable, and have ended up taking them from ~30k errors down to the current 2090. Hoping for zero, but I'm not going to be disappointed if it ends at under 100 with only the bdi issue. Zinnober9 (talk) 16:45, 25 September 2024 (UTC)