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==Correct Spelling==

As far as I know, "Fibre" is used in more english-speaking countries than "Fiber". Wikipedia should not be Amero-centric and should reflect the more popular spelling. Therefore I think this page should be changed to Fibre. --[[Special:Contributions/75.130.54.14|75.130.54.14]] ([[User talk:75.130.54.14|talk]]) 14:58, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

The spelling, fiber, used in the the first edition of the article will stay, period. This isn't arguable.

Says the guy who does not sign his comment (even though underneath the 'save page' button it indicates to do so, and in bold). I concur with 75.130.54.14 and the person who created the section 'Commonwealth', considering the words Latin origin, 'fibra'. Actually, I would argue that the vast majority of people whose first language is derived from Latin spell it with the vowel ('e' or 'a') after the 'r' (Spain, France, Italy and Portugal). It would be purely logical to title the article as 'Fibre' (and as an extension, list 'fiber' as an alternative form), and you would be irrational to think otherwise. [[Special:Contributions/124.187.168.26|124.187.168.26]] ([[User talk:124.187.168.26|talk]]) 13:52, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

:''Fibre is the most common spelling, but appears to be losing ground to fibre and here's a reference.<ref>{{Cite web |url=https://writingexplained.org/fiber-vs-fibre-difference |title=Fiber vs. Fibre – What’s the Difference? |access-date=8 March 2023}}</ref> The use of the term American English is also contentious as it really refers to USA English.
:''I agree that Wikipedia should not be USA centric. [[User:Lkingscott|Lkingscott]] ([[User talk:Lkingscott|talk]]) 08:54, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

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Too funny. I just did the NYT crossword and one answer was 'fiber' and I thought - isn't it spelled 'fibre'? I'm Canadian in Australia

== Grr...why no damned refernces? ==

Whole class of matter. Bookshelvesa of books on both the general class as well as major subclasses. Bot of interest for natrual and artificial forms. Billions of dollars of industry. Major downstram industries from textiles to strcutural to basically everything (automotive, etc.) And we have fucking 5 refernces and two from a dictionary. Oh..and 35,000 views per month.[[User:TCO|TCO]] ([[User talk:TCO|talk]]) 01:36, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

== Spelling ==

I agree WIKIPEDIA should not use American spellings since British spellings (Fibre,Colour,Favourite) are used in nearly every english speaking country and using American spelling only further promotes the dominance that the United States has over the rest of the world.

Countries that use British Spelling

England
Ireland
Scotland
Canada
Australia
Singapore
Hong Kong
New Zealand
Samoa
Bahamas

== Requested move 5 September 2015 ==

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The result of the move request was: '''no consensus'''. Reasonable arguments from both sides, votes roughly split. [[User:Jenks24|Jenks24]] ([[User talk:Jenks24|talk]]) 11:58, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

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* [[:Fiber]] → ?
* [[:Fiber (disambiguation)]] → {{no redirect|Fiber}}
– Simply put, the current setup does not seem to be helpful for readers when [[Dietary fiber]] gets almost 66% more page views than [[Fiber]], and [[Optical fiber]] gets almost literally twice as many views as [[Dietary fiber]] ([[Optical fiber]] gets about 233% more page views than [[Fiber]].) With these statics, I would almost say that [[Optical fiber]] should be the [[WP:PRIMARYTOPIC|primary topic]], but since it has been determined to be a subtopic of the broad concept article at [[Fiber]], it may be inappropriate to deem it so, especially considering that optical fibers do not have as much historical importance as the other two articles. However, the subject of [[Dietary fiber]] is not a subtopic of [[Fiber]] (the fact that [[Dietary fiber]] is mentioned in [[Fiber]] is misleading since the former is not a material used to make items.) With that being said (specifically the comparison of [[Fiber]] vs. [[Dietary fiber]]), it is probably best to move the disambiguation page to the base title so that the reader can decide which topic the are trying to locate when searching for the term "fiber". [[User:Steel1943|<span style="color: #2F4F4F;">'''''Steel1943'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 04:58, 5 September 2015 (UTC) <small>''Relisted''. [[User:Jenks24|Jenks24]] ([[User talk:Jenks24|talk]]) 06:55, 16 September 2015 (UTC)</small>

*'''Support''' no primary here. [[User:In ictu oculi|In ictu oculi]] ([[User talk:In ictu oculi|talk]]) 06:42, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

*'''Support''' no primary.--[[User:Iztwoz|Iztwoz]] ([[User talk:Iztwoz|talk]]) 06:54, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

*'''Oppose'''. The current [[fiber]] article is a [[WP:CONCEPTDAB|CONCEPTDAB]] that sufficiently covers the various types of fiber with links to the sub-articles. Put a link to [[dietary fiber]] in the [[WP:HATNOTE|hatnote]] and the problem is solved. — [[User talk:AjaxSmack|<span style="border:1px solid #000073;background:#4D4DA6;padding:2px;color:#F9FFFF;text-shadow:black 0.2em 0.2em 0.3em"><span style="font-family:Georgia;">&nbsp;'''AjaxSmack'''&nbsp;</span></span>]] 15:43, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
:*The issue with this is that the premise behind a [[WP:CONCEPTDAB]] being at the ambiguous title is that it is also supposed to act as a [[WP:PRIMARYTOPIC|primary topic]] for the main topic for the most common use of its term, with subtopics included. If a topic that is not related to the [[WP:CONCEPTDAB]] is getting substantially more page views (as shown here), the "concept dab" being the primary topic is not helpful. (Just because a [[WP:CONCEPTDAB]] exists doesn't by default make it the primary topic, which seems to be the rationale here.) [[User:Steel1943|<span style="color: #2F4F4F;">'''''Steel1943'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 05:10, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
* '''Support''', with new name "Fiber (commercial)" [[User:ArthurOgawa|ArthurOgawa]] ([[User talk:ArthurOgawa|talk]]) 17:10, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
** This is ''not'' "commercial" fiber. Fibers exist in plants and animals and minerals regardless of whether they are commercially extracted or not. Indeed, almost all of them are ''not'' commercially used. -- [[Special:Contributions/70.51.202.113|70.51.202.113]] ([[User talk:70.51.202.113|talk]]) 04:53, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
*** I agree with the comment (from an anonymous user) in the sense that "(commercial)" may not be the best choice of words to convey the intent of this article. Considering that this article concerns only those fibers that are used by humans to make fabric, rope, etc, perhaps a better choice would be "Fiber (traditional)". Maybe someone knowledgeable in anthropology might seize upon the ''bon mot''. [[User:ArthurOgawa|ArthurOgawa]] ([[User talk:ArthurOgawa|talk]]) 16:25, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

* Following the move, I think that this article must be further edited. It need not refer to other articles that are on the disambiguation page: that function would be adequately taken care of by the [[WP:HATNOTE|hatnote]]. Therefore, the article should be edited to remove references to, e.g., "Dietary Fiber", "Nerve Fiber", and "Optical Fiber". [[User talk:AjaxSmack|AjaxSmack]] deems the aforementioned topics to be "sub-topics" of "Fiber". I would assert (with [[User talk:Steel1943|Steel1943]]) that they are not, that the word "Fiber" is simply extremely overloaded and possesses historical meanings that more recent, technical language has added to (this process is well known in linguistics). Note that metal wire and mineral (glass) fiber can be processed and utilized much the same ways (plied, woven, felted, used directly for sewing) as traditional (vegetable and resin) fibers, but for different purposes (rarely for, e.g., garments). This fact makes the topic difficult to treat in a coherent way. Some conundrums: what is the essential difference between a steel cable, rope, and thread? Between the fabric of a woven wool shirt and the Kevlar filling in a bulletproof vest? How do we classify a garment made of chainmail? [[User:ArthurOgawa|ArthurOgawa]] ([[User talk:ArthurOgawa|talk]]) 17:10, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' per AjaxSmack ; just add dietary fibre to the hatnote. Optical fibres are a type of fibre, thus a subtopic of this current topic. -- [[Special:Contributions/70.51.202.113|70.51.202.113]] ([[User talk:70.51.202.113|talk]]) 04:55, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
** I disagree that Optical fibers are a sub-topic of this article: they are not woven, felted, matted, or used to sew things together, albeit they are customarily laid up in a cable. The use of the term "fiber" in that context is metaphorical. Given the way optical fibers are manufactured (by drawing), they could as well have been named "optical wires". [[User:ArthurOgawa|ArthurOgawa]] ([[User talk:ArthurOgawa|talk]]) 16:33, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
***I'm wavering a little in my opposition. [[User:ArthurOgawa|&#8203;]][[User:Steel1943|&#8203;]]This does not alter the validity of your arguments but your case would be helped with me if you had a target title. <small> — [[User talk:AjaxSmack|<span style="border:1px solid #000073;background:#4D4DA6;padding:2px;color:#F9FFFF;text-shadow:black 0.2em 0.2em 0.3em"><span style="font-family:Georgia;">&nbsp;'''AjaxSmack'''&nbsp;</span></span>]] 00:13, 7 September 2015 (UTC)</small>
*** Many fibres are drawn or extruded. Low quality plastic optical fibres used in novelty lamps are extruded. Glass optical fibres are a type of glass fibre, another type being that found in glass wool, which is matted, woven, felted, etc. Hollow core glass fibres used in optical fibres are similar to hollow-cored insulating fibres used in clothing. Metal wires are turned into steel wool. And metal wire is woven into metal fabrics, such as the copper shielding in coaxial cable. Metal wire is braided into different gauge wire as well. -- [[Special:Contributions/70.51.202.113|70.51.202.113]] ([[User talk:70.51.202.113|talk]]) 05:19, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

*'''Comment''' As per [[WP:NOTDICTIONARY]], it's not clear to me why this article exists at all; is there really a {{em|topic}} with this very non-specific title? [[User:Peter coxhead|Peter coxhead]] ([[User talk:Peter coxhead|talk]]) 08:45, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. the CONCEPTDAB belongs at [[Fibre]]. All specific uses, including dietary fibre, are derivative. In these circumstances, page views are irrelevant. The encyclopedia is better structured according to logic than by attempting to facilitate search engines (a complete waste of time, they don't need it). --[[User:SmokeyJoe|SmokeyJoe]] ([[User talk:SmokeyJoe|talk]]) 01:12, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
:*[[Dietary fiber]] is not a derivative of the concept subject at [[Fiber]]. The subject at [[Fiber]] is about straight materials used in making items. I see what you mean, though. I could see the distinction you state working if the lead section was altered in some way (I'm not sure how to go about that at the present time.) But, in the current situation, [[Dietary fiber]] doesn't fall into the subject as explained in the lead. [[User:Steel1943|<span style="color: #2F4F4F;">'''''Steel1943'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 19:49, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
::* I would disagree.
::: Fiber or fibre is a natural or synthetic string used as a component of composite materials, ...
::: Dietary fiber includes significantly cellulose. Cellulose is a stringy material composed of interweaved/bonded polymeric glucose.
::: Dietary fiber is an example of a fibre that happens to be a component in food. As I understand all the difficult/impossible to digest dietary fibres, they are all microscopic composite of molecular polymers of one kind or another.
::: I see the article [[dietary fibre]] speaks of "so-called dietary fiber are not actually fibrous", and that some organisations are inventing definitions weakening the fiber aspect and highlighting resistance to digestion. Sort of fair enough, sort of intellectually fallacious. I maintain that the concept of dietary fiber is derivative of fiber, and understand that the derivation comes from observing fibres by microscope in poo. --[[User:SmokeyJoe|SmokeyJoe]] ([[User talk:SmokeyJoe|talk]]) 22:52, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
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== Semi-protected edit request on 15 March 2018 ==

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The word "or" should not be a hyperlink. The wording should be similar to that in the "Natural fiber" article:

Fiber or fibre (see spelling differences https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_and_British_English_spelling_differences#-re.2C_-er) (from the Latin fibra...) [[User:Markgalassi|Mark]] ([[User talk:Markgalassi|talk]]) 20:09, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
:[[File:Yes check.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Done'''<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:Gulumeemee|Gulumeemee]] ([[User talk:Gulumeemee|talk]]) 05:52, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

== Semi-protected edit request on 11 December 2018 ==

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I want to a part called properties of selected fibers [[User:Zbzhagbee|Zbzhagbee]] ([[User talk:Zbzhagbee|talk]]) 02:04, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
:[[File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a [[Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources|reliable source]] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:DannyS712|DannyS712]] ([[User talk:DannyS712|talk]]) 02:27, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

== Semi-protected edit request on 4 February 2020 ==

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Change the references of natural and man-made to the articles proper rather than the sub-sections of this article. It seems redundant to have both. [[Special:Contributions/73.132.115.23|73.132.115.23]] ([[User talk:73.132.115.23|talk]]) 02:18, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
:[[File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable source]] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:Eggishorn|Eggishorn]] [[User talk:Eggishorn|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Eggishorn|(contrib)]] 04:56, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

== Why is this article written in US [[American English]]?==
This article is written in US American English, but nothing in the article is specific to the USA.

Why?

The spelling ''Fiber'' rather than ''Fibre'' is not even used generally in Canada.<ref>{{Cite web |url=https://www.noslangues-ourlanguages.gc.ca/en/writing-tips-plus/fibre-fiber- |title=Writing Tips Plus: fibre, fiber |publisher=Government of Canada/Gouvernement du Canada: Translation Bureau |date=2020-02-28 |access-date=2023-03-12 }}</ref>

Other Wikipedia articles which are not about specifically US American items are written in [[Commonwealth English|international English]].

The best example to compare with is ''[[Aluminium]]'' which is used with the '''non''' US American spelling in all the articles I have found in Wikipedia, even though ''Aluminum'' is also used in Canada.

[[User:Lkingscott|Lkingscott]] ([[User talk:Lkingscott|talk]]) 11:29, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

:It is written in badly spelled american english because an american got here first. No other reason. The answer is not to sweat it, there are plenty of articles written in <s>The King's English</s> British English, though I agree with your sentiments on the matter. The fights that would break out if we didn't have what appears to be a first come first served basis for deciding what variant of english used in an article do not bear thinking about.
:Unfortunately, my fingers tie themselves up in knots when I try to type FIBRE with an er at the end, ditto with aluminium with NUM at the end, so I never try.
:This leads to americans using tyre as a name. It'll be carburettor next !! - [[User:Roxy the dog|'''Roxy''' ]]the [[User talk:Roxy the dog|'''dog''']] 13:42, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
:ALSO : Colour. - [[User:Roxy the dog|'''Roxy''' ]]the [[User talk:Roxy the dog|'''dog''']] 17:07, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

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== Edit ==
== Talk talk with stranger ==


A good student [[Special:Contributions/103.161.105.132|103.161.105.132]] ([[User talk:103.161.105.132|talk]]) 18:21, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
Talk with stranger [[Special:Contributions/2409:40C4:4B:5DD:6834:2DFF:FEEE:748F|2409:40C4:4B:5DD:6834:2DFF:FEEE:748F]] ([[User talk:2409:40C4:4B:5DD:6834:2DFF:FEEE:748F|talk]]) 22:51, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

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Artificial fibers are cheaper and lower quality meaning they do not have longevity. The process in which these fibers are made is harmful for the environment. Aguerrero13 (talk) 03:01, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Lightoil (talk) 05:27, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Synthetic fiber are textiles made form chemicals to create fibers like polyester, acrylic,nylon and many more. Wendyy815 (talk) 06:13, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Tollens (talk) 09:31, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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