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A quick check of the Oxford English Dictionary shows that North Sea was in use by the 13th century, and in common use in the 18th. German Sea and German Ocean were in play, but were never the exclusive English term simply displaced by war-fervor. The usages in the OED implies that "German Ocean" is more a learned term (as a translation of Ptolemy's ''Germanikos Okeanos'') and that "North Sea" may be more common, but I may be misreding the usages. --MichaelTinkler
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: I agree. I started to write a long list of supporting evidence, then found [http://www.eastsea.org/article3/report3.htm this article] which sums it up nicely. In reality the North Sea had not been called the German Sea or German Ocean in everyday English speech for centuries prior to [[World War I]]. One question which remains is whether there was an [[archaism|archaic]] "official" name that was changed to reflect the ordinary name during the War. However, the ''first'' body providing "official" British usage for place names outside the [[United Kingdom]] proper was the [http://www.pcgn.org.uk PCGN], which was not founded until [[1919]]. Thus, the claim appears to be an [[urban legend]]. I'll leave the claim for a day or so to see if anyone can come up with supporting evidence, then remove it. --Roger 13:40, 17 Sep 2003 (UTC)
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If the Kattegat is a bay of the North Sea, and Sweden borders on the Kattegat, then why doesn't Sweden border on the North Sea?--[[user:Branko]]
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== Less known German name ==
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From a Danish/Swedish point of view, it is doubtful whether the Kattegat is ''a part'' of the North Sea. But the precise delimination of the Northern waters is controversial.<br>
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I don't know, how to handle the knowledge, or better, where the right place to right is, but I don't think, it's unimportant. A more or less uncommon German name is "Blanker Hans" (means: "bare/naked Hans"). It's only known in north Germany, if it's known. Also it's used in the poem "Trutz Blanker Hans" (resist Blanker Hans), an poem about the town "Rungholdt", which was destroyed by a North Sea's storm.[[Special:Contributions/79.194.208.144|79.194.208.144]] ([[User talk:79.194.208.144|talk]]) 15:22, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
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:Is it a real name, or just a nickname? If the latter, I don't think it should be mentioned. If it's a proper name, then we would need a reliable source before it can be included, and even then I'm not convinced that it's relevant for an English-language encyclopedia. Let's see the source first though. [[User:Bazonka|Bazonka]] ([[User talk:Bazonka|talk]]) 18:11, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
The German Hydrographic Service used to define the Kattegat as part of the "waters between North Sea and Baltic Sea" (along with Sound & Belts and maybe even Kiel bay). I am not sure whether this terminology is still used. [[User:Kosebamse|Kosebamse]] 11:03 Feb 28, 2003 (UTC)
::Not sure I would call it a nickname ''or'' a real name. To me, it's more of a mythological name which personifies the terror of the raging North Sea ("Hans" = "John"). Sorry, don't have any sources. --[[Special:Contributions/217.239.14.124|217.239.14.124]] ([[User talk:217.239.14.124|talk]]) 13:22, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
:::"Blanker Hans" isn't a name for the North-Sea itself, but for the storm surges of the North-Sea, so there is no reason to feature that name in this article. [[Special:Contributions/193.159.188.202|193.159.188.202]] ([[User talk:193.159.188.202|talk]]) 09:53, 17 April 2024 (UTC)


== Basin Country ==
== Need help with reference article ==


Four countries are in the North see drainage basin by [[Rhine]] river: Switzerland and Italy. Almost all Switzerland and [[Lago di Lei]] in Italy. I wrote this contribution but it was reversed. I hope you can check this. Liechtenstein and Austria are countries in the Rhine bassin as well. So I suggest to modify. What do you think? [[User talk:AndreAMICO#top|talk]] <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:AndreAMICO|AndreAMICO]] ([[User talk:AndreAMICO#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/AndreAMICO|contribs]]) 13:31, 27 November 2020 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
[http://www.ospar.org/eng/doc/pdfs/R2C2.pdf This] is a nice overview article about the geography and hydrography of the North Sea, apparently published by [http://www.ospar.org/eng/html/welcome.html OSPAR Commission]. It presents as "Chapter 2" but I was unable to find other parts of that publication. Any ideas? [[User:Kosebamse|Kosebamse]] 04:08, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)
:The last digit of the address is the number of the chapter. Try [http://www.ospar.org/eng/doc/pdfs/R2C1.pdf this] for the introduction. ([[User:RJP|RJP]] 20:33, 21 May 2006 (UTC))


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Oops, typo. Regards [[User:Keith-264|Keith-264]] ([[User talk:Keith-264|talk]]) 19:49, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
Hello - can someone explain what the above piece of text under "Headline Text" is for? [[User:Gzcsy3|IanB]] 12:14, 11 September 2006 (UTC)


== Bad Description ==
== France on the North Sea ==


[[User:TylerBurden|TylerBurden]], regarding the inclusion of France as a country by which the North Sea is bounded: Your edit summary, when you reverted someone's addition of France, was "That's the English channel." As explained at [[English Channel]], The International Hygrographic Organization considers the North Sea to extend to the lighthouse of Walde just east of Calais. So all of the French coastline east of that{{emdash}}a stretch that includes Dunkirk{{emdash}}is on the North Sea. That's about 28 miles/45 kilometers of French North Sea coast. [[User:Largoplazo|Largoplazo]] ([[User talk:Largoplazo|talk]]) 23:52, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
MSN Encarta gives a better image and description:


:@[[User:Largoplazo|Largoplazo]] Thanks for informing me, I checked out the source and you're right, so I'll undo my revert. [[User:TylerBurden|TylerBurden]] ([[User talk:TylerBurden|talk]]) 00:12, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
http://encarta.msn.com/map_701515192/North_Sea.html


== Lying between ==
==Expand notice==
This is a major body of water, so I've nominated it for Version 0.5, but the article is very brief. Could someone try to add some content? Compare [[Baltic Sea]]. Thanks, [[User:Walkerma|Walkerma]] 04:19, 24 August 2006 (UTC)


Hi Tyler, you wrote in your edit summary that "Scandinavia includes Sweden, which does not connect its water borders to the North Sea". This is true, but it is also true for some of the other regions listed, e.g. Great Britain and Wales (Irish Sea), Norway and Finnmark (Barents Sea), Germany and Mecklenburg-Vorpommern (Baltic Sea), France and Corsica (Mediterranean Sea) etc. [[User:Stara Marusya|Stara Marusya]] ([[User talk:Stara Marusya|talk]]) 21:07, 10 March 2023 (UTC)


:Well I still don't think the solution to that is making the lead more vague by using ″[[Scandinavia]]″ (which in some English definitions can even include Finland). [[User:TylerBurden|TylerBurden]] ([[User talk:TylerBurden|talk]]) 02:10, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
==Other north seas==
Are there any other bodies of water known as 'north sea' or some translation thereof? If so, even if they're not internationally-recognised names, it might be worth linking to them, to help reduce systemic bias.
(Not that I know of any myself, but it's the kind of generic name that must surely be found all over the place...) [[User:Chris Thornett|Chris Thornett]] 16:24, 30 October 2006 (UTC)


== Citations ==
== Epeiric ==


The second sentence of the article says that the North Sea is an epeiric sea. The word "epeiric" is linked to an article that says that's a synonym for being an inland sea. The North Sea really obviously isn't an inland sea. I ''know'' the wiki game - we've all been there, someone's going to find some reference using the word epeiric in relation to the North Sea, and observe that a wikipedia article saying that means inland sea isn't reliable so we shouldn't change this article and meanwhile someone will find some other source that says or could be intepreted as meaning that epeiric is inland so the other article shouldn't change either but if there is anyone out there that is even marginally sane then at bare minimum this aricle shouldn't say it's epeiric while linking the term to an article that says that means it's an inland sea when it really clearly isn't. [[Special:Contributions/46.31.205.228|46.31.205.228]] ([[User talk:46.31.205.228|talk]]) 14:14, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
Does this article not need more citations? [[User:Antgel|Antgel]] 02:26, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

:"What constitutes an "inland sea" is complex and somewhat necessarily vague. The United States Hydrographic Office defined it as "a body of water nearly or completely surrounded by land, especially if very large or composed of salt water"." It doesn't seem crazy if you go by that definition. [https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/oi/authority.20110803095754221;jsessionid=A8B3B5B75F1D0662CB9CF53080880596 Oxford] also specifically mentions the North Sea in its definition. So with that in mind, I think you should provide some better arguments than "it really clearly isn't". [[User:TylerBurden|TylerBurden]] ([[User talk:TylerBurden|talk]]) 10:13, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

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Less known German name

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I don't know, how to handle the knowledge, or better, where the right place to right is, but I don't think, it's unimportant. A more or less uncommon German name is "Blanker Hans" (means: "bare/naked Hans"). It's only known in north Germany, if it's known. Also it's used in the poem "Trutz Blanker Hans" (resist Blanker Hans), an poem about the town "Rungholdt", which was destroyed by a North Sea's storm.79.194.208.144 (talk) 15:22, 29 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Is it a real name, or just a nickname? If the latter, I don't think it should be mentioned. If it's a proper name, then we would need a reliable source before it can be included, and even then I'm not convinced that it's relevant for an English-language encyclopedia. Let's see the source first though. Bazonka (talk) 18:11, 29 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure I would call it a nickname or a real name. To me, it's more of a mythological name which personifies the terror of the raging North Sea ("Hans" = "John"). Sorry, don't have any sources. --217.239.14.124 (talk) 13:22, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"Blanker Hans" isn't a name for the North-Sea itself, but for the storm surges of the North-Sea, so there is no reason to feature that name in this article. 193.159.188.202 (talk) 09:53, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Basin Country

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Four countries are in the North see drainage basin by Rhine river: Switzerland and Italy. Almost all Switzerland and Lago di Lei in Italy. I wrote this contribution but it was reversed. I hope you can check this. Liechtenstein and Austria are countries in the Rhine bassin as well. So I suggest to modify. What do you think? talk — Preceding unsigned comment added by AndreAMICO (talkcontribs) 13:31, 27 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I modified Basin countries because af definition of basin. Please check my changes comment added by AndreAMICO (talk — Preceding undated comment added 10:41, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Recent edit

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Oops, typo. Regards Keith-264 (talk) 19:49, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

France on the North Sea

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TylerBurden, regarding the inclusion of France as a country by which the North Sea is bounded: Your edit summary, when you reverted someone's addition of France, was "That's the English channel." As explained at English Channel, The International Hygrographic Organization considers the North Sea to extend to the lighthouse of Walde just east of Calais. So all of the French coastline east of that—a stretch that includes Dunkirk—is on the North Sea. That's about 28 miles/45 kilometers of French North Sea coast. Largoplazo (talk) 23:52, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Largoplazo Thanks for informing me, I checked out the source and you're right, so I'll undo my revert. TylerBurden (talk) 00:12, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lying between

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Hi Tyler, you wrote in your edit summary that "Scandinavia includes Sweden, which does not connect its water borders to the North Sea". This is true, but it is also true for some of the other regions listed, e.g. Great Britain and Wales (Irish Sea), Norway and Finnmark (Barents Sea), Germany and Mecklenburg-Vorpommern (Baltic Sea), France and Corsica (Mediterranean Sea) etc. Stara Marusya (talk) 21:07, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Well I still don't think the solution to that is making the lead more vague by using ″Scandinavia″ (which in some English definitions can even include Finland). TylerBurden (talk) 02:10, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Epeiric

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The second sentence of the article says that the North Sea is an epeiric sea. The word "epeiric" is linked to an article that says that's a synonym for being an inland sea. The North Sea really obviously isn't an inland sea. I know the wiki game - we've all been there, someone's going to find some reference using the word epeiric in relation to the North Sea, and observe that a wikipedia article saying that means inland sea isn't reliable so we shouldn't change this article and meanwhile someone will find some other source that says or could be intepreted as meaning that epeiric is inland so the other article shouldn't change either but if there is anyone out there that is even marginally sane then at bare minimum this aricle shouldn't say it's epeiric while linking the term to an article that says that means it's an inland sea when it really clearly isn't. 46.31.205.228 (talk) 14:14, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"What constitutes an "inland sea" is complex and somewhat necessarily vague. The United States Hydrographic Office defined it as "a body of water nearly or completely surrounded by land, especially if very large or composed of salt water"." It doesn't seem crazy if you go by that definition. Oxford also specifically mentions the North Sea in its definition. So with that in mind, I think you should provide some better arguments than "it really clearly isn't". TylerBurden (talk) 10:13, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]