User talk:82.44.247.44

November 2023

Hello, I'm Yeeno. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, FalleN, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at referencing for beginners. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Yeeno (talk) 22:07, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

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July 2024

Please be aware of the guideline MOS:ETHNICITY. Thanks. Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 13:01, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Azerbaijani eSports federation (July 31)

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DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:30, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, 82.44.247.44! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:30, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

August 2024

Please do not use styles that are nonstandard, unusual, inappropriate or difficult to understand in articles, as you did in Chingiz Allazov. There is a Manual of Style, and edits should not deliberately go against it without special reason. We have a manual of style. MOS:CONTEXTBIO and MOS:FIRSTBIO describe what goes in lead and intro. Geraldo Perez (talk) 19:27, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Repeated vandalism may result in the loss of editing privileges. Thank you. Wolverine XI ^{(talk to me)} 14:18, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

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Hello, I'm Isabelle Belato. I wanted to let you know that I reverted one of your recent contributions—specifically this edit to Muslim Magomayev (musician)—because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse or the Help desk. Thanks. Isabelle Belato ^🏳‍🌈 18:10, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing.

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If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at List of esports games, you may be blocked from editing. Renewal6 (talk) 15:06, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

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You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you remove or blank page content or templates from Wikipedia without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary, as you did at List of esports games. Renewal6 (talk) 15:06, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

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September 2024

Please stop your disruptive editing.

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If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Mughal–Persian wars, you may be blocked from editing. HistoryofIran (talk) 11:10, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

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You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Ottoman–Persian Wars. AntiDionysius (talk) 11:13, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

The article is called "Ottoman-Persian Wars". Therefore it makes sense to refer to refer to the Persian Empire, a common collective name for various historical dynasties of Iran. Take it to the talk page of the article and seek consensus there if you would like to see the nomenclature changed. Please don't leave all-caps messages on people's talk pages. Thanks. AntiDionysius (talk) 11:18, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Nah bro, those empires were not even founded by persians, they were Azerbaijani, ever heard of shah ismail and nader shah 82.44.247.44 (talk) 11:19, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

I didn't say they were founded by Persians, I said they are commonly called the Persian Empire. You would be better off making these arguments on the article talk page, like I said. AntiDionysius (talk) 11:21, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Azerbaijanis didn't exist back then [1] [2] [3]. HistoryofIran (talk) 11:22, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Azerbaijan has always existed my friend, we were just known by different names, just like iran 82.44.247.44 (talk) 11:27, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

even in pre islamic times the name Azerbaijan existed just in a different spelling of Azarbaijan. which made up of territory of modern republic of Azerbaijan and Azerbaijan province in Iran. 82.44.247.44 (talk) 11:30, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

The sources in those three links say otherwise. Wikipedia is based on WP:RS, not your personal opinion. HistoryofIran (talk) 11:32, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

wikipedia ain't exactly a reliable source though. 82.44.247.44 (talk) 15:38, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

No one said it was. In fact, "Wikipedia is not a reliable source" is a Wikipedia policy. But Wikipedia is based on reliable sources. AntiDionysius (talk) 15:39, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

but you know that the safavids were azerbaijanis, right? They weren't Persian. 82.44.247.44 (talk) 09:53, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Not per the sources in the links, here is what one of them says;

"The third major nation in South Caucasia,19 the Azerbaijanis, hardly existed as an ethnic group, let alone a nation, before the twentieth century. The inhabitants of the territory now occupied by Azerbaijan defined themselves as Muslims, members of the Muslim umma; or as Turks, members of a language group spread over a vast area of Central Asia; or as Persians (the founder of Azerbaijani literature, Mirza Fath’ Ali Akhundzadä, described himself as ‘almost Persian’). ‘Azerbaijani identity remained fluid and hybrid’ comments R. G. Suny (1999–2000: 160). As late as 1900, the Azerbaijanis remained divided into six tribal groups – the Airumy, Karapapakh, Pavlari, Shakhsereny, Karadagtsy and Afshavy. The key period of the formation of the Azerbaijani nation lies between the 1905 revolution and the establishment of the independent People’s Republic of Azerbaijan in 1918 (Altstadt, 1992: 95)." -- Ben Fowkes (2002). Ethnicity and Conflict in the Post-Communist World. Palgrave Macmillan. p. 14

What you're doing right now is called historical revionism, also mentioned in the links;

"In addition to turning a blind eye towards (if not supporting) secessionist movements, Baku generally follows two paths for promoting the myth of Greater Azerbaijan. One is through the change of Azerbaijani nationals’ perception by manipulating historical realities. Through the publication of books, papers and specific brochures targeting ethnography in several languages “with the support of the officials of the Azerbaijan National Academy of Science and government ministries” and financed heavily by Heydar Aliyev Foundation (Galichian 2012: 38), Azerbaijanis learn a fabricated history which convinces them of their right to demand the integration of the so-called Southern Azerbaijan into the Republic of Azerbaijan. This construction of history has particularly targeted younger generations. In the revised version of Azerbaijan’s curricular books from the fifth grade in primary school up to university, Azerbaijan’s geography is shown as extending far beyond the present territory of the Republic of Azerbaijan, covering the whole northwestern part of Iran (AmirAhmadian 2005: 186). The Republic of Azerbaijan is introduced in its curricular history books as an ancient country which has been constantly under the threat of occupation by Persian kings. Iranian public figures, including Nezāmi Ganjavi, Khāghāni, and Khāje Nasir Tusi, are introduced as Azeri public figures, and Iranian cities such as Tabriz and Ardabil are introduced as Azerbaijani cities. The Teacher’s Guidance Book for History specifically introduces Azerbaijan as a sovereign state which was divided in two during the Iran–Russia wars, with the northern part acquiring its independence quickly and the second part remaining under Iran’s occupation (ibid.). Through this strategy, Azerbaijan’s new generation grows up believing that they have territorial rights over Iran’s northwestern provinces." - p. 1989, Iran's Foreign Policy in the South Caucasus: Relations with Azerbaijan and Armenia, Marzieh Kouhi-Esfahani, Routledge

HistoryofIran (talk) 11:20, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Well I am sorry but they are right, Iranian Azerbaijan is Azerbaijan even if not in the same country, they are just influenced by Iran's terrorism and sexism towards women. The Azerbaijanis get racially abused regularly in Iran and marginalised as a minority because Persians despise them. The idea of Azerbaijan and its people has existed for millenia, just under other different predecessor names. Azerbaijanis were known as Caucasian Albanians and Khazars (especially Khazars) and their land has also been known under many different names as well such as the Manna State, Atropatene, Adurbagan, Khazar Khaganate, Caucasian Albania and the Safavids. We had been annexed multiple times as we had annexed other multiple times but the idea of Azerbaijan has always existed just under different names. Iran are one to talk about propaganda, especially when chanting 'Death to America' and thinking of lgbt as a 'western poison'. 82.44.247.44 (talk) 17:22, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

And all these ancient tribes such as the afshavy and karapapakh were all ethnic Azerbaijani tribes, they were just not called that or united together at that time. 82.44.247.44 (talk) 17:23, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

As you already been told, Wikipedia is based on WP:RS, not your personal opinion (nor historical negationism). And WP:RS is clearly against you here. And please see WP:NPA, don't focus on my background randomly (which is also called whataboutism), that is not what is being discussed here. HistoryofIran (talk) 17:25, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

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Please stop. If you continue to use disruptive, inappropriate or hard-to-read formatting, as you did at Liam McGeary, you may be blocked from editing. There is a Wikipedia Manual of Style, and edits should not deliberately go against it without special reason. CodeTalker (talk) 18:21, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

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You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you add unsourced or poorly sourced material to Wikipedia, as you did at Sajjad Ganjzadeh. AntiDionysius (talk) 18:14, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

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This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who accepted the request.

82.44.247.44 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

Your reason here I had a talk with the other administors and they had agreed that my block was too harsh, 6 months is too long of a block

Accept reason:

You are unblocked under the following conditions that you have agreed to:

• not to directly edit any pages related to Azerbaijan, Azerbaijani ethnic identity, or related topics (broadly construed).
  • to use edit requests for any proposed changes, and to discuss on talk pages.
• to read WP:ETHNICPOV.

That last one is not really enforceable, but is certainly good advice. No set time for appeal was discussed but, generally, appeals made less than six months after an editing restriction like this is applied rarely, if ever, succeed, so I would suggest you wait at least that long before appelaing this. Any failure to abide by these conditions is grounds for an immideate re-blocking. Welcome back. Beeblebrox ^Beebletalks 23:48, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Beeblebrox Beebletalks 23:48, 2 January 2025 (UTC)}}

Please summon those administrators here. 331dot (talk) 19:52, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

To clarify what 331dot said, you need to ping the administrators you talked with, which can be done by typing User:Example (with Example replaced by their username) and signing your comment in the same message. Giving more specific details about the talk and where it took place could also be helpful. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 19:57, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

ok 82.44.247.44 (talk) 20:12, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

The talk was on the 20th of december, other administrators backing me include Bastique and Maximum Limelihood Estimator 82.44.247.44 (talk) 20:14, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Pinging Bastique There is no user as "Maximum Limelihood"(it may be misspelled). Where did this conversation occur? 331dot (talk) 20:19, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Providing a courtesy ping for @Closed Limelike Curves (who, for what it's worth, is not an admin (yet!)). Staraction (talk | contribs) 20:19, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

To clarify:

• This user started a conversation on Discord about 2 weeks ago.
• IIRC, they were quite helpful and polite, and they provided reliable sources for some of their claims.
• I said 6 months felt a bit long for a first block, so an admin might be willing to grant an unblock request.
• I suggested they pledge not to make any edits related to Azerbaijan or Azeri ethnic identity without first discussing the edit on the talk page.
• I'd also suggest creating an account before any more editing, which will make it easier for us to track whether you've been following these rules.

I'm not an admin, so I can't unblock them, but I suggested this as a reasonable plan that an admin (e.g. @Bastique) might be willing to accept. – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 21:13, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

ok, what's the plan? 82.44.247.44 (talk) 21:22, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Seconding the fact that a promise to avoid Azerbaijan-related topics (a voluntary topic ban, cf. WP:CONDUNBLOCK) could be a good reason to shorten the block's length. A wording of the topic ban could be: Azerbaijani people, Azerbaijan, Iranian Azerbaijan, and related topics, broadly construed. Would you agree to this or a similar restriction? Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 21:24, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

But I have accurate evidence to back up Azerbaijan related topics. 82.44.247.44 (talk) 13:30, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Just noting I don't think we can require they create an account; we try to avoid publicly associating accounts with IPs. 331dot (talk) 21:29, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Does this mean I am blocked for ever? 82.44.247.44 (talk) 13:31, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Are you willing to agree to the topic ban as described by Chaotic Enby? Yes or no, please. 331dot (talk) 13:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

I almost couldn't remember this because it did not take place on-wiki, I suggested on Discord the user request on their talk page and be willing to agree to a topic ban similar to the one described by @Chaotic Enby. I'm in agreement with this. Bastique ^{☎ call me!} 18:28, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

I want to add I think that they ought to be allowed on the talk pages of the topics they are banned from but that they believe they have information about, provided they don't argue the topic beyond consensus. Bastique ^{☎ call me!} 18:30, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Are you suggesting a topic ban from articles, but talk page requests(WP:ER) permitted? 331dot (talk) 18:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Can I just please get unblocked? 82.44.247.44 (talk) 19:39, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Did you see my question above? 331dot (talk) 19:45, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

@82.44.247.44, if you're willing to promise:

• not to directly edit any pages related to Azerbaijan, Azerbaijani ethnic identity, or related topics (broadly construed).
  • to use edit requests for any proposed changes, and to discuss on talk pages.
• to read WP:ETHNICPOV.

Reply to this with something like "I agree". – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 00:09, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

I agree 82.44.247.44 (talk) 16:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

I've logged this at WP:RESTRICT [4] citing @331dot: and myself as the admins responsible, but obviously this was a group effort, and thanks are due to @Chaotic Enby, Closed Limelike Curves, Staraction, and Bastique:. Thanks all for your input and assistance here. Beeblebrox ^Beebletalks 00:10, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

And @Red-tailed hawk: for the CTOP notice. Beeblebrox ^Beebletalks 00:11, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

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Only warning

You agreed as a condition of being unblocked not to directly edit any pages related to Azerbaijan, Azerbaijani ethnic identity, or related topics (broadly construed). You have made two article content edits since then, both of which violate this restriction.[5][6].

This edit [7] is not exactly compliant with the second restriction either as you did not use the {{edit request}} template, but that's not nearly as big of a deal as the other two blatant, seemingly willing violations of the restrictions you agreed to.

We do usually give users recently subject to topic bans exactly one "free pass" on the offchance they legitimately do not understand how this works. I feel like the restriction was spelled out pretty clearly, but do feel free to ask if you have questions. The general advice in your situation is "if you have to ask if it is is a violation, just assume it is and don't make the edit."

Further edits that violate the topic ban can and will lead to re-blocking. We are trying to give you another chance here, but you have to hold up your end of the agreement. Beeblebrox ^Beebletalks 08:31, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

I was just making a few corrections 82.44.247.44 (talk) 19:36, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Both of your "corrections" violated your topic ban. I don't know how much more clear I can be about this, don't edit content related to Azerbaijan, Azerbaijani ethnic identity, or related topics, at all for any reason. You agreed to these terms. If you can't or won't follow them, the agreement is void and your previous block will be re-started, and it is highly unlikely anyone would be willing to lift the block again. Beeblebrox ^Beebletalks 20:35, 6 January 2025 (UTC)