Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/André Walker

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus `'mikka 01:41, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

André Walker

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Subject non-notable per WP:BIO, with any notability asserted stemming primarily from trying and seemingly often failing to be elected to various committees of varying importance (e.g. local councils, student representative bodies) and from being a presenter on QVC. Suspect this may have started out as a vanity page, although as it was seemingly transwikied from Wiktionary it's difficult to say with certainty. Badgerpatrol 13:17, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

• Keep. Notable becuase of his media profile. The stuff about committees he did and didn't get elected to would not satsify WP:BIO by itself, but when taken in addition to his media appearances as a presenter, I think he is notable enough. Dorange 23:46, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
• Delete He has not run for a legislative seat; his claimed N is on minor party committees. Nor has he won office at the NUS. He's quoted once in the BBC article. He is cohost of a political show on internet TV. The show was mentioned in one BBC report. DGG 00:56, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. Has hosted and appeared on shows of notable media broadcasters. Boboba 02:38, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Are you the creator of the page by any chance? I notice that your only contribs since September 2006 (13 contributions to Wikipedia overall) are to Andre Walker (2 edits) his brother Dominic Walker (6 edits, including page creation) 4 to your user page and 1 to this AfD discussion. If by any chance you are either Andre or Dominic, or a close associate of theirs, it would be very useful if you could clarify that here and make other editors aware of it. It is up to the community to decide whether a Manchester Student Television station formerly run by the University of Salford and being a presenter flogging cheap jewellery on a shopping channel confer notability. I would say that they do not. Badgerpatrol 09:56, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm not the original author of this article, but as you've noted I have edited it and I did create a page about Andre's brother Dominic Walker. I have met both Andre and Dominic in real life through a mutual friend, though I don't know them very well. I may not have edited Wikipedia very much, but I am an avid reader of the encyclopaedia and it strikes me that, while they're both fairly minor celebrities, Andre and Dominic's public profiles are as notable as those of many other people with pages on Wikipedia. They seemed like decent candidates for articles to me and, since I knew bit about them, I was motivated to expand Andre's article a bit and create one on Dominic. I know that often only established editors views are taken into account in deletion debates. I've expressed my view, though. The closing admin may choose to take it into account or ignore it as they feel appropriate. Boboba 10:58, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying that. Well, we can agree to disagree here. Whilst the quality to be found in Wikipedia is definitely variable, there are guidelines and policies on notability and article suitability- e.g. WP:BIO. It strikes very strongly me that Andre Walker doesn't meet these (I haven't had a look at Dominic Walker yet) and I would frankly be very reticent to even describe him as any sort of celebrity whatsoever, even of the most minor type. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. There are many other articles that warrant the chop around here- if you've seen some, feel free to nominate them for AfD, or point out specifics to me and I'll do it myself if appropriate. Thanks for your comment and clarification. Badgerpatrol 11:55, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

• Delete as nominator. Badgerpatrol 09:56, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. He's not exactly famous but in political and media circles he does pop up regularly. Especially on political tv and radio shows, he has hundreds of credits not listed in the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.69.162.108 19:44, 10 May 2007 (UTC).

• Anon editor's three contributions consist of two to Andre Walker and the above !vote to this AfD (all three made yesterday, by some amazing coincidence). Badgerpatrol 09:21, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
• Don't get het up darling I just happen to be using WiFi, I'll delete the page right now if it makes you happy! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.69.162.108 (talk) 19:47, 11 May 2007 (UTC).

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.