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I'm lazy..... what can i say, you know what to do
I'm lazy..... what can i say, you know what to do


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== Quilava ==


*[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Zappernapper&oldid=274625805 Archive 1 (Day 1 - January 31, 2009)]
What I reverted wsa nonsense, you called Typhlosion a Stage-3 and started going on about water and dirt. [[User:HighwayCello|H]]<font color="#009933">[[User:HighwayCello/Esperanza|ig]]</font>[[User:HighwayCello|hway]] <b><sup><font color="#FFCBDB">[[User talk:HighwayCello|Return to Oz...]]</font></sup></b> 08:48, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


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:But HighwayCello, total page reverts are not the way to handle a few mistakes or formatting concerns. --[[User:Brandon Dilbeck|Brandon Dilbeck]] 20:34, 31 August 2006 (UTC)


==Twinkle==


Hi!


I haven't logged into Wikipedia for ages! thanks for the complement on the pictures of Twinkle! I would have loved to get a better picture of her to show her markings but unfortunately she was put down in February! It still upsets me a little but her memory will live on!
== Oz, Liir, etc. ==


[[User:ELIOT2000|ELIOT2000]] ([[User talk:ELIOT2000|talk]]) 21:02, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Hey, Zappernapper. Thanks for the invite, but I'm pretty busy at the Doctor Who WikiProject and I'd rather not divide my energies further. Feel free to improve the [[Liir]] and [[Wicked (novel)]] entries — I don't [[WP:OWN|own]] them! I may drop in from time to time to see how things are progressing, but I trust my fellow editors. I'm not really an expert on Baum's Oz either — I just read the books a lot when I was a kid, and enjoyed Maguire's novels as an adult.


== GA review on Dog ==
I agree that the character profile should have more than just a summary of his actions in the two books. It sounds like you've already got some good ideas for expanding and revising the articles. If you are going to work on them, you might be interested in [[WP:WAF|this guideline]] that I recently learned about. In any case, I wish you luck and good editing! —[[User:Josiah Rowe|Josiah Rowe]] <small>([[User talk:Josiah Rowe|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Josiah Rowe|contribs]])</small> 02:30, 10 August 2006 (UTC)


Hi Zapper,
== WP:PAC/S ==


Thanks for taking the time to review the [[Dog]] article. I know its a big article, and it took a fair investment of time to look over carefully. I agreed with some of your comments, but I feel that a number of them were really nitpicky, and holding the article to a higher standard than GA There are a fair number of people who have completely stopped trying to achieve FA status because getting an article that last 2% of the way has become very difficult and time intensive, without adding much substantively to the article. Unfortunately, I feel that many of your criticism fall in this category. For instance, you failed the article on being sufficiently referenced. There are over a hundred references in that article, most used multiple times. At least 99% of statements that could be contentious are referenced. You failed it for 3 missing references: the statement that the domestic dog is a subspecies of the wolf--a statement that is supported by 80 of the 100 references, and is not contentious--and the fact that Bob Barker was an advocate of spaying, and a third that I haven't tracked down yet. That standard is ''not'' the standard laid out in the good article criteria. Focusing on these three marginal problems is myopic at best.
Looking great! :). &mdash;[[user:Celestianpower|Cel]]<font color="green">[[User:Celestianpower/Esperanza|es]]</font>[[User:Celestianpower|tianpower]] <sup>[[user talk:Celestianpower|háblame]]</sup> 18:01, 31 August 2006 (UTC)


I'm not arguing with the decision--honestly, I haven't fully evaluated your review as a whole; I may completely agree with your final decision. The GA review process is supposed to be an intermediate point between FA--near perfect--and a crappy article, such as [[Dog behavior]] or [[Dog training]], and serves two purposes: (1) to improve the article through a peer review process; and (2) to encourage editors to push for a higher standard. When reviewers are too myopic, and focus on the 2% of the flaws instead of the 98% of the improvements that editors put into the article, they undermine (2). That is why many editors have stopped striving for FA status. I think that is also why I will stop striving for GA status.
== merge tag you put on power points ==


Thanks again for taking the time to review the article. --[[User:Thesoxlost|Thesoxlost]] ([[User talk:Thesoxlost|talk]]) 15:41, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
i dont konw where you wanted this comment so i thought i would leave it here.


:I'm sorry if you felt i was being too "nitpicky", but AGF and trust me in that I ''do'' understand the difference between a GA and FA. You're response suggests that you did not understand (or i did not make clear) my reasons for failing the article, and you may not have understood the reasons for failing [[Talk:Dog/GA1#.C2.A0_6|2A]].
I am not a pokemon person, and i did a simple google search on this site for weasel words listed on the weasel word page, and added a tag for it.
:Firstly, the article was ''not'' failed over three missing references. It was for the 11 seperate MOS issues, plus ref problems (including cite tags - which should have been taken care of before nomination), plus lack of coverage on expected topics (comprehensiveness is an FA issue, but a ''mention'' of these topics is necessary). Any one of these problems, by themselves, would have justified a Hold... but the three of them together means that this article was not ready for a GA nomination.
:Secondly, the reason for requiring sources on those three statements in 2A is because when claiming that someone said something (as a direct quote or otherwise) you need to back it up with a ref. Look carefully and you'll see that each was attributed to some entity.
:I would appreciate you not saying my actions are "myopic", that's a bit deragotory and unconstructive. I would ''love'' to see this article reach GA, and then FA. But to nominate an article that still has cite tags was poor planning. It shows that you failed to do Step 1 in the [[WP:GNGA|guide to nominating good articles]]. Rather than characterize my criticisms as "nitpicky", take the time to work on them. you'll find that you can learn more about writing a good article and it will help you in the future when you've gone on to tackle other subjects. -[[User:Zappernapper|ΖαππερΝαππερ]] <sup>[[User talk:Zappernapper|Babel]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zappernapper|Alexandria]]</sub> 00:40, 18 February 2009 (UTC)


:: Hi Zapper, sorry for being too frank; I meant to be honest and constructive, but not derogatory. The point wasn't that you didn't have constructive things to say about the article that will help other editors improve upon it. The point was simply that your review scared away an editor that has made ''major'' revisions to this article, which is worth reflecting on. WP has a wierd community; Its essentially WoW or everquest without the monsters. People role play with their editor or reviewer or administrator hats on, and they lose perspective. No page, good, featured or otherwise, is a finished product; they are all in flux. People can throw fact tags into featured or good article because they are evolving documents. For this reason, my understanding was that one fact tag didn't count against the GA criteria. To support this understanding, see [[Wikipedia:Reviewing_good_articles]]:
so long as the weasel word is corrected, I dont care what you do to the page.


::<quote|'[Look for'] cleanup banners that are obviously still valid, including cleanup, wikify, NPOV, unreferenced or large numbers of fact, clarifyme, or similar tags/>
good luck


:: The point wasn't that you didn't have sufficiently reason to fail the article. Like I said, I think many of your points were substantive and on point. The point is that too many of them were so trivial that they send the message that an editor would need to spend many hours nitpicking over whether references go after periods, and a myriad of other silly things that substantively don't affect the quality of the article. Normal editors who simply want to improve articles won't do this; the only people who will do this are the hard-core wikipedians who are fighting for social capital, looking for barnstars and wanting to put another GA or FA feather in their cap. The WP equivalent of leveling up. Is that really what we want to achieve?
[[User:Stwalkerster|Stwalkerster]] 13:29, 3 September 2006 (UTC)


:: I didn't mean to berate you; I meant to encourage you to consider the POV. If you still completely disagree with me, no worries; I won't bother you on the topic anymore. Thanks again for taking the time. --[[User:Thesoxlost|Thesoxlost]] ([[User talk:Thesoxlost|talk]]) 14:23, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
== erection index page deletion ==


:::perhaps my review was a giant monster that scared someone away, but it wasn't meant to be, and i would suggest to that editor that they not concern themselves with commas and periods but instead work on the problems with prose and coverage. Everybody has their own things they like to do on wikipedia, and i'm sure you could still focus on the other aspects of the article that need work. I have gone ahead and contacted editors at [[WP:TYPO]] and [[WP:GCE]] to help with those "nitpicky" details so hopefully you can instead work on the coverage issues and tracking down sources for your attributed claims (Humane Society, Smithsonian, [[Bob Barker]], and [[Drew Carey]] - checking out those articles might be a good starting point). I suggest you also try seeking help with the other reference problems in the review. -[[User:Zappernapper|ΖαππερΝαππερ]] <sup>[[User talk:Zappernapper|Babel]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zappernapper|Alexandria]]</sub> 22:47, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Hello, there. Thanks for defending the Erection index page I made, though it was deleted. As per dispute resolution I have sent the delete voters messages asking for clarifications and have begun working on a replacement page with some additional explanation and references. I'm thinking since this has a popularity contest element to it I should keep your handle and let you know when the Erection index page is under threat again. The deletion process has my respect, to a qualified degree, but in my opinion--as you pointed out--there were some pretty unqualified and arguably contradictory complaints against the erection index page. Anyway, thanks and maybe more later (and any advice gladly accepted). Cheers! -- [[User:M0llusk|M0llusk]] 05:33, 16 September 2006 (UTC)


::::Fair enough. Perhaps I was too hasty in my assessment. If there are people out there who's passion is commas, that's great :). My real interest is in substance, and your review did bring up issues of substance which I'm happy to focus on. When I found the article, it was really poor. It was a half good, half POV article on how people view their dogs. My goal was to make it the best public source of information on the topic. As it was, I think it met that standard, although it can of course be improved. As long as someone is willing to do it--or rather, enjoys doing it, I suppose fixing the "nitpicky" things is a valuable service. If this is truly the GA standard, then I still can't say that I care whether the article ever meets all of the criteria. But I do appreciate the substantive criticisms, and hope that others will be happy addressing the formal concerns. Best, --[[User:Thesoxlost|Thesoxlost]] ([[User talk:Thesoxlost|talk]]) 17:50, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
== Vote solicitation ==


:::I look forward to seeing your substantive changes (specifically adding information on the topics i noted were missing), and hopefully you can address some of that "Problem prose". One editor has already come forward and started making changes (although s/he failed to notice any punctuation errors... bah), and i have perosnally gone through and made quite a few fixes. I do hope though, that you still strive to meet all the GA requirements. Idiosyncrasies aside (perhaps my distaste for parenthetical prose in articles), following the MOS and standard punctuation/spelling/grammar is important to an article because it elevates it to a point beyond your typical hack-job. It lends credibility and authority to the article - are you more willing to trust something riddled with bad speling and punctuation, or something that looks like the people writing it were able to put two sentences together correctly? Again... I eagerly look forward to an expanded article -[[User:Zappernapper|ΖαππερΝαππερ]] <sup>[[User talk:Zappernapper|Babel]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zappernapper|Alexandria]]</sub> 18:03, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi. I agree with your comments about vote solicitation, which is why I only messaged people who had already voted. Cheers. [[User:Remy B|Remy B]] 09:00, 27 September 2006 (UTC)


== Re:Pokefair template ==
== RE: Copyedit request ==
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You forgot to subst it. Anyway, I've fixed it for both the images. Cheers, [[User:The Raven's Apprentice|<font color="#4169E1">The Raven's Apprentice</font>]] <sup>([[User Talk:The Raven's Apprentice|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Raven's Apprentice|Contribs]])</sup> 08:40, 28 September 2006 (UTC)


I'll try to get it done by Monday. [[User:MSJapan|MSJapan]] ([[User talk:MSJapan|talk]]) 03:52, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
==Orphaned fair use image (Image:LureBall.jpg)==
:Copyedit complete. [[User:MSJapan|MSJapan]] ([[User talk:MSJapan|talk]]) 03:29, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for uploading '''[[:Image:LureBall.jpg]]'''. I notice the 'image' page currently specifies that the image is unlicensed for use on Wikipedia and may only be used on Wikipedia under a [[WP:FU|claim of fair use]]. However, the image is currently [[WP:O|orphaned]], meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. [[WP:BOLD|You may add it back]] if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable under fair use (see [[Wikipedia:Fair use#Policy|our fair use policy]]).


==Rats in the ricefields==
If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "[[Special:Contributions/{{PAGENAME}}|my contributions]]" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any fair use images not used in any '''articles''' will be deleted after seven days, as described on [[wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#Images.2FMedia|criteria for speedy deletion]]. Thank you. [[User:Nilfanion|Nilfanion]] ([[User talk:Nilfanion|talk]]) 00:08, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm sorry for not having specified the names. I was concentrating on the culinary aspect of the section more than on the scientific side. The rats in the ricefields in Southeast Asia are "Rattus argentiventer". I have not been able to find the scientific name of the rat species living in the rice growing region of Valencia, close to the [[Albufera]] around the 19th century. The rat-eating habits of the people of that area were mentioned by Vicente Blasco Ibañez in his novel ''Cañas y barro''. [[User:Xufanc|Xufanc]] ([[User talk:Xufanc|talk]]) 10:10, 20 February 2009 (UTC)


== PokeVideogamesIntro ==
== Peer review ==


I missed the comments on [[Wikipedia:Peer review/Fancy rat/archive1]] until it was archived earlier today - sorry. I just replied to the questions there, and think it should be OK for GA. Good luck, [[User:Ruhrfisch|Ruhrfisch]] '''[[User talk:Ruhrfisch|<sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt;</sub><small>&deg;</small><sup><small>&deg;</small></sup>]]''' 20:18, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Are you absolutely positive that this is the best way to introduce the Video Games section of each pokemon? See my [[Template talk:PokeVideoGamesIntro|comment]] there for more details.


== Re:hi raven ==
== Re : Fancy Rat ==


Hello saw your comments, my apologies for the delay... Was pretty busy. I have added my comments. --[[User:Bluptr|Bluptr]] ([[User talk:Bluptr|talk]]) 15:57, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
Apparently, that conversation got archived. :o Anyways, thanks for reminding me, I'd totally forgotten about it. However, I'd rather wait and hear what AMIB says before commenting. Cheers, [[User:The Raven's Apprentice|<font color="#4169E1">The Raven's Apprentice</font>]] <sup>([[User Talk:The Raven's Apprentice|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Raven's Apprentice|Contribs]])</sup> 14:21, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


==Review==
== Re:Bisexuality ==
Unable to review it now but I am sure someone will pick it up.--[[User:Jmh649|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 13:39, 3 March 2009 (UTC)


== Bates method ==
Thanks for letting me know. I left a note on Angr's talk page, and hopefully we can resolve the issue. I wasn't really protecting the page out of the number of vandalism edits, but out of the type of vandalism (libel, slander, etc.) '''[[User:Nishkid64|<span style="background:#009;color:#7FFF00">Nish</span><span style="background:cyan;color:#009">kid</span>]][[User talk:Nishkid64|<span style="background:orange;color:navy blue">64</span>]]''' 20:49, 20 November 2006 (UTC)


In regards to your question at [[Talk:Bates method/Archive 9#Lede section]], no, you did not miss subsequent discussion; Ronz seems to be referring to his reply to me in that same section. As long as he doesn't put up a tag or try to substantially change the lede, I don't see any point in pressing him to explain anything. At this point Seeyou seems like a greater threat to destabilize the article. I'm convinced that if that drawing were included, its caption would be a point of ongoing dispute.
== Geisha ==


I would probably re-add the Meir Schneider Youtube link now if not for the GA nomination. I think it's fairly clear that it is legitimate as far as copyright is concerned, but its presence or absence is not that big a deal. However, the assumptions Ronz was making about it bothered me. [[User:PSWG1920|PSWG1920]] ([[User talk:PSWG1920|talk]]) 15:16, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for supporting my Geisha nomination; hopefully having it as a featured picture will inspire people to work on the shoddy article itself. --[[User:Iriseyes|Iriseyes]] 15:02, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


:I just added two photos from a source I had previously neglected to check for such. The article probably has enough pictures now to pass [[WP:FA]], but other factors would likely prevent that.
== Re: [[BiCon (UK)]] ==
:I'm sorry that Seeyou is doubting my good faith. However, I'm not going to tell him/her to AGF as I think that's counterproductive. [[User:PSWG1920|PSWG1920]] ([[User talk:PSWG1920|talk]]) 02:01, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
::[[Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Conservapedia|This FA nomination]] seems to have similar issues. I'm going to keep an eye on it and see if it gets passed. [[User:PSWG1920|PSWG1920]] ([[User talk:PSWG1920|talk]]) 04:23, 6 March 2009 (UTC)


Do you have any thoughts regarding what, if anything, to do about [[Talk:Bates method/Archive 12#Meir Schneider again|this]]? [[User:PSWG1920|PSWG1920]] ([[User talk:PSWG1920|talk]]) 20:39, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Yes, a direction to [[human sexuality]] was my intention, I just forgot the split between that and the [[sexuality]] page. Simply put the field of discussion and experience at BiCon encompasses many other areas not directly linked to bisexuality (or other sexual orientations), such as alternative relationship styles and BDSM. I had used the term sexuality in the article in it's true broad sense, instead of the unfortunately common misuse of it as a euphamism for sexual orientation. --[[User:Myfanwy|Myfanwy]] 19:37, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


== accomodation discussing regarding fig 4==
== Gloves ==


Zappernapper, I appreciate your help, but PSWG1920 should explain. Sorry to say but it is very hard for me to believe PSWG1920 really wants to improve the article on objective facts. Check the information in this link about what Bates said about the ciliairy muscle which influences the lens of the eye.
Actually, although I've had rats in the past, I don't have a ''strong'' interest in them; I created the article on degloving because... well, I don't remember what specifically made me look up degloving, but after I created the article, I linked all the mentions of it to the article. Plus I just did touchups for the article while I was there.
[http://www.naturalvisioncenter.com/books.html#RTS%20anchor] paragraph 4. Further discussion here or on my talkpage. [[User:Seeyou|Seeyou]] ([[User talk:Seeyou|talk]]) 20:29, 4 March 2009 (UTC)


== Stotting Gazelle ==
I'll have a look at the How-To section later on. [[User:DragonflySixtyseven|DS]] 18:24, 26 November 2006 (UTC)


You are welcome to use the image on Wikipedia.
== Ah! ==


http://flickr.com/photos/rwilhelmsen/2059888681/
Figured it out.


I haven't figured out how to change the settings on individual photos yet, it's never been an issue. If this note is permission enough, great. If not, I'll investigate further over the weekend. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/65.96.98.202|65.96.98.202]] ([[User talk:65.96.98.202|talk]]) 00:43, 6 March 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
You should go to ''[[Wikibooks]]''. If there isn't already material on How To Keep Pet Rats for you to add to, you can start it. [[User:DragonflySixtyseven|DS]] 23:54, 26 November 2006 (UTC)


== bulba change.... ==
== Thanks ==


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i love your proposed bulbasaur change, it cuts out so much redundant information that can be found elsewhere in WP. And of course, WP should not be a guide, and so cutting gaming strategies was good... although i kinda only skimmed your thing, and noticed a few things that i'm not 100% for, your proposed change is 100% in the right direction. I don't know how the hell it got featured while being so bloated. [[User:Blueaster|Blueaster]] 00:30, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
i didn't fully understand what u said... and could u tell me exactly what happened to u when u got "wikibonked"? [[User:Blueaster|Blueaster]] 00:37, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


[[User:PSWG1920|PSWG1920]] ([[User talk:PSWG1920|talk]]) has eaten your {{tl|cookie}}! The cookie made {{#if:|{{#ifeq:|male|him}}{{#ifeq:|female|her}}|them}} [[Wikipedia:WikiLove|happy]] and {{#if:|{{#ifeq:|male|he}}{{#ifeq:|female|she}}|they}}'d like to give you a great big hug for donating it. Spread the WikiLove by giving out more {{tl|cookie}}s, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Thanks again! <br/>
== Re: a request for futher input ==


Spread the goodness of cookies by adding {{tls|cookie}} to someone's talk page with a friendly message, or eat a cookie with {{tls|munch}}!
You asked for my input regarding standardized section headings, so here it is. I haven't seen much success with this sort of thing in the past. I think the best way to handle it is through the WikiProjects, as you've attempted in the Pokémon case. In general, attempts at standardization tend to be seen as bureaucratic, for better or worse. In the case of [[Cat]] and [[Dog]], the relevant WikiProjects are [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Cats]] and [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Dogs]]. It might make sense to have a [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Pets]] or [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Domesticated animals]], but this should probably be dicussed at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council]] to gauge the level of interest. [[User talk:Mike Dillon|Mike Dillon]] 05:24, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
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== Poke Ball ==


I don't think you can really use a page entitled 'Satanism in Pokemon' as a reliable reference. [[User:Veinor|Veinor]] ([[User_talk:Veinor|ヴエノル<sup>(talk)</sup>]]) 19:07, 3 December 2006 (UTC)


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Mr.Veinor should listen to your athouratay, or you should just not call it statanism, but something less harsh
Note: I'm not insulting anyone, I'm just giving adv-ice[[User:Pikazilla|Pikazilla]] 19:53, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Good luck if you decide to go for FA. [[User:PSWG1920|PSWG1920]] ([[User talk:PSWG1920|talk]]) 17:08, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
== Excellent work! ==


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==[[:Category:Rat breeds]]==
|rowspan="2" valign="middle" | [[Image:Barnstar_of_Diligence.png|100px]]
Are you moving all the articles out to [[:Category:Rat species]] ?? [[User:Headphonos|Headphonos]] 20:26, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
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|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | '''The Barnstar of Diligence'''
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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Hereby awarded to Zappernapper for extraordinary work and tireless efforts in getting [[Fancy rat]] promoted to Good Article status. -- [[User:Levine2112|<b style="color:#996600; font-family:times new roman,times,serif;">Levine2112</b>]] [[User talk:Levine2112|<sup style="padding:1px; border:1px #996600 dotted; background-color:#FFFF99; color:#774400; font-size:x-small;">discuss</sup>]] 01:21, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
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== stotting gazelle ==
:yes. these are not breeds, but species, and therefore inaccurate. The categorey should only contain links like [[Dumbo rat]] or [[Hairless rat]] if they ever exist.


Hi, I've changed the license on my photo http://www.flickr.com/photos/moocat/3020012127/?edited=1 to Creative Commons. You can use it in your article. And thanks...I never heard of the term 'stotting' before! <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/72.78.51.76|72.78.51.76]] ([[User talk:72.78.51.76|talk]]) 17:24, 11 March 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:The best thing to do is put them back in the [[:Category:Rat breeds]] and then ask for a [[WP:CFD]] rename vote to [[:Category:Rat species]]. If the vote is successfull the wiki "bot" will move the articles over automatically. 20:39, 1 January 2007 (UTC)


== Justin Baldoni ==
::Hi, We better wait for this vote to finish first. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_December_29#Category:Old_World_rats_and_mice_.26_Category:New_World_rats_and_mice Vote] Once this vote is done, we can have a send vote to fine tune the Category. Species might be the way to go. We want to make sure that all rat "Breeds" or "Species" articles are under one category so people can find them easily under one roof. Whatever, the final category name voted on is fine with me, once we get input from others and agreement. Thank you. [[User:Headphonos|Headphonos]] 20:50, 1 January 2007 (UTC)


My reverts were of the edits of the person stating that he wouldn't have premarital sex because noone in their right mind would. I don't understand your comment "pls don't refer 2 good-faith edits by established users as vandalism + check WP:GRAPEVINE)" - the edits I reverted were by anonymous users, not established ones. --[[User:Mjrmtg|Mjrmtg]] ([[User talk:Mjrmtg|talk]]) 16:21, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
:No #redirects wait for the current vote to finish, then we will have another vote to fine tune everything. Please put everything back to rat breeds +cat for now and we will have a vote soon. Currently, you have split it in half making the situation confusing. Thanks [[User:Headphonos|Headphonos]] 22:30, 1 January 2007 (UTC)


== Date linking RfC comment ==
:Please don't put humans into the [[:Category:Pet rats]] this is for rats not humans. [[User:Headphonos|Headphonos]] 00:14, 2 January 2007 (UTC)


You asked why there wasn't an option similar to Year option 2 in Month-Day. It's because previous RfCs and discussion show a clear lack of support for it. My attempt (yes, I'm responsible for most of the wording) for options 2 was to try to come up with an attempt at a consensus position, based on the results of the "detailed RfC". If you had spoken up earlier....
::This +cat is already being used for fictional rodents [[:Category:Fictional mice and rats]] [[User:Headphonos|Headphonos]] 11:01, 3 January 2007 (UTC)


I hope this doesn't violate the rules, but the poll talk page doesn't really seem the appropriate place to leave a comment. — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 15:42, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
:Why would you put the categories up for vote before the first vote is completed ? [[User:Headphonos|Headphonos]] 11:09, 3 January 2007 (UTC)


==Greetings==
== Name ==
There are moves by some of the more biologically oriented editors to boot the 'in popular culture and trivia sections out of what are predominantly biological artilces' and I consider I have a half way attitude - I really think they should have see also's in the species articles - perhaps a smaller section than the one in rat - but some of the orang utan edit war was over total removal. The big problem with the in popular culture articles - is that they are anecdtoal ad hoc collections of items from us-based tv and film watchers who dont even know what a ref or citation is - they are not in a stricter term encyclopedia articles but badly unalphabetical created lists. Oh well - there is a whole academic literature on the issues that hardly one of the arts in the range of category animals in popular culture even acknowledges as well. sad. [[User talk:SatuSuro|SatuSuro]] 03:35, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


Hey, you might remember from the pokemon project.I was wondering how you got your name to link like that?I would love to add Old English Letters with Two words behind it.Linking to my Talk and contribs.Thanks, Ive been wanting to do that for a LONG time.[[User:Permethius|PeRmEtHiUs]] ([[User talk:Permethius|talk]]) 14:54, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
::Oh well we are at least honest and direct on our preferences as to the issues - I appreciate that - maybe there might be some compromise somehwere rather than drawing lines in the sand - if you think rats ok - but point out an issue with dog - well there's something gained. I appreciate you going to the trouble to answer - all the best! [[User talk:SatuSuro|SatuSuro]] 23:32, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


Thanks-Þέŗṃέłḥìμŝ 14:48, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
::And the issue of size is a point well made. I suppose if you detest sub pages - you can tell my problem - anecdotal ad hoc unalpha order lists with mainly tv and film info with no refs! Hey - as I said - thanks for responding [[User talk:SatuSuro|SatuSuro]] 23:37, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


== Template:Pokeconvert ==
::Ok looks like we agree in the end! cheers! [[User talk:SatuSuro|SatuSuro]] 02:11, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


Hi. That's nice work you did on the [[Template:Pokeconvert|Pokemon convert template]]. In [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Template:Pokeconvert&diff=next&oldid=284315948 this diff] you added some explanations that include a template loop. Is there any way to avoid the template loop? For example, couldn't the output be '''unsupported second parameter'''?
== new world rats and mice and OWRAM ==


I understand the need to warn for possible errors. It is in connection with my regular housekeeping cores on [[:Category:Template loop warnings]] that I write you about this.
i have left a solution at the discussion page but no one has provided any feedback and i fear that is why the discussion was not closed today, could you please [[Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 December 29#Category:Old World rats and mice & Category:New World rats and mice|respond]] so that it could be closed? I will also be contacting visvia and headphonos, thanx! -[[User:Zappernapper|ΖαππερΝαππερ]] <sup>[[User talk:Zappernapper|Babel]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zappernapper|Alexandria]]</sub> 02:11, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
:Sure. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 04:00, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


Good luck! [[User:Debresser|Debresser]] ([[User talk:Debresser|talk]]) 10:36, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
== Sorting of animal phyla ==


No progress with that so far? [[User:Debresser|Debresser]] ([[User talk:Debresser|talk]]) 07:36, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
The spaces in the sort keys of the animal phyla was deliberate, and prevents the phyla from being mixed in with the other categories. The only alternative would be to separate the phyla out into a [[:Category:Animal phyla]] or [[:Category:Animals by phylum]], but I think that would overcomplicate things. --[[User:Stemonitis|Stemonitis]] 16:34, 8 January 2007 (UTC)


== Torchic Picture ==
:I apologize for any inconvenience i may have caused. I was under the impression that it was common for the next level of taxonomy to just be included, rather than separated. In truth, it is acually ''more'' confusing to have them seperated without a clear reason why to the common layperson. I recognized Chordata along with some others but a few were unknown to me and i thought that they were all just mistakenly put there, the spaces being accidental. I've seen the convention to use an asterisk before to denote a special group, but never just a space. Is this a convention that the relevant wikiproject proposed or one that i missed when reveiwing the category conventions? Pls respond on my talk page. -[[User:Zappernapper|ΖαππερΝαππερ]] <sup>[[User talk:Zappernapper|Babel]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zappernapper|Alexandria]]</sub> 00:10, 9 January 2007 (UTC) <small>''copied from [[User talk:Stemonitis]]''</small>


Could you upload a pic of torchic and put it on [[User:Permethius/Sandbox2|my subpage]] that im creating an article about him on thanks. Peace Out-[[User:Permethius|Þέŗṃέłḥìμŝ]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Permethius|Life]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Permethius|Death]]</sub> 13:02, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
::There's no need to apologise. I don't believe that there is a standard for such things; it was my personal preference. I had previously found it confusing and time-consuming to have to search through a list of "exploding animals", "animals in politics" and so on to find articles about taxonomic groups, and thought it would be easier to keep the phylar categories separate. As regards the use of the space, that's another thing that has been widely adopted without being specifically agreed upon anywhere (to my knowledge). It achieves the same thing as an asterisk, but looks a bit neater. I have used both in some categories, in order to create two independent sections. --[[User:Stemonitis|Stemonitis]] 11:10, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
:Also for Ivysaur at [[User:Permethius/Sandbox]]? Thanks. Peace Out-[[User:Permethius|Þέŗṃέłḥìμŝ]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Permethius|Life]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Permethius|Death]]</sub> 13:56, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
::Ive created the articles.[[Ivysaur]] And [[Torchic]]-[[User:Permethius|Þέŗṃέłḥìμŝ]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Permethius|Life]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Permethius|Death]]</sub> 11:37, 23 April 2009 (UTC)


== Use of flickr photo ==
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== Pokemon game mechanics ==


Hi there as per email on flickr - i have changed the licensing on my image http://www.flickr.com/photos/julesandjez/274495654/?edited=1 so that you can use it on the site - I LOVE WIKIPEDIA so very happy to share.
I've removed the {{tl|inuse}} and {{tl|underconstruction}} tags because they were up for over a week. I ''do'' like the reorganization you've done and am looking forward to your improvements on the article. Feel free to msg me or start a discussion on the talk page if you'd like any help in developing your ideas! -[[User:Zappernapper|ΖαππερΝαππερ]] <sup>[[User talk:Zappernapper|Babel]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zappernapper|Alexandria]]</sub> 22:35, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
However I don't require you to credit me as the photographer as I use my flickr account for family/friends with pics of kids so don't want to give lots of people access to all my albums - is that possible?
:That’s fine, as I said in my last edit summary, other users should feel free to edit. Just be aware that I ''am'' still working on it on my computer every day, though, and hope to unveil some major rewrites and additions within a week.( Though Saturday obviously is Egg-retrieving day.) --[[User:WikidSmaht|WikidSmaht]] ([[User_talk:WikidSmaht|talk]]) 23:45, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


Thanks,
== [[Vaporeon]] ==


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The article was assessed with the Cryptozoology template because it is contained in the [[:Category:Fictional mermen and mermaids]]. All the articles in that category were given the banner, because, if you look at the banner, mermen and mermaids are kind of one of the primary focuses of the project. Also, the majority of the articles in those categories, even [[Aquaman]] and [[Namor the Sub-Mariner]], are ones which contain content the new project would probably be best aware of. Personally, I have no objection to seeing the banner removed. However, if you do not want the article to be considered to be one about mermen and mermaids, I suggest you remove the misleading category. It is of course entirely your decision what you will do. However, if the banner is not replaced within 24 hours, I will remove the article from the misleading category myself. [[User:Badbilltucker|Badbilltucker]] 19:00, 21 January 2007 (UTC)


==[[:Bulbasaur (Pokémon)]]==
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==[[:Chunsoft (Pokémon)]]==
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== Singular their ==


==[[:Magneton (Pokémon)]]==
Thanks for the comments. You're right, I'm a bit of a grammar Nazi, I'll stop. You might not have noticed, but I try to eliminate the annoying pronoun whenever possible, i.e. "The player can use their Pokedex to..." becomes "Players can use the Pokedex to..." or something like that. [[User:SubStandardDeviation|SubStandardDeviation]] 07:13, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
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Nice job being [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=%22God%22&diff=108149598&oldid=108149352 thrifty] at the new page bazaar. That certainly gave me a chuckle...[[User:Persian Poet Gal|<font face="comic sans ms"><font color="purple"><i><b>¤~Persian Poet Gal</b></i></font></font>]] <font color="purple">[[User talk:Persian Poet Gal|<sup>(talk)</sup>]]</font> 20:15, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
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==[[:Pikachu (Pokémon)]]==
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Where did these categories go to ? Were they voted on ? [[User:Headphonos|Headphonos]] 13:02, 17 February 2007 (UTC)


==[[:Onix (Pokémon)]]==
:No I was not accusing you of deleting them, but I do believe you add very little to wikipedia. bye [[User:Headphonos|Headphonos]] 22:19, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
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== hey ==


==[[:Slaking (Pokémon)]]==
i'm back on WP from my absense from WP.... :P
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Anyways, I think I've finally been able to come up with a suitable change to all the Pokemon articles' intros. I've tried it out on the Pikachu and Torchic articles... Would you mind checking my edits and telling me what you think? Including the adding of singluar case and in/definate articles... Which is sure to provoke an uproar among the more unthinking, dogmatic editors who are so resistant to change... [[User:Blueaster|Blueaster]] 21:20, 4 March 2007 (UTC)


== Bear with me... ==
==category proposed for deletion _again_==
[[:Category:Ailurophiles]], which survived an Afd in October, has been put back up for deletion by a user with no new fresh reason why. Please go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_March_4#Category:Ailurophiles and vote accordingly. [[User:Kintetsubuffalo|Chris]] 05:56, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


1 year, 11 months and one week ago, you commented on an AWB feature request ("What links here", especially for images), which I think I can now finally fulfil. I was just wanted to check whether this was still a problem or whether there was already some sort of fix in place for it. If you have no clue what I'm blithering on about (and I wouldn't blame you), see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:AutoWikiBrowser/Feature_requests#Show_what_links_here_for_images this]. Cheers, - [[User:Jarry1250|Jarry1250]] <sup>([[User_talk:Jarry1250|t]], [[Special:Contributions/Jarry1250|c]])</sup> 17:33, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
== Hi! ==
::I saw that one too; it might be surprisingly complicated actually to get an end result that was half decent. We'll see though, the FR hasn't gone anywhere. Give it another couple of years and we'll be onto a winner. - [[User:Jarry1250|Jarry1250]] <sup>([[User_talk:Jarry1250|t]], [[Special:Contributions/Jarry1250|c]])</sup> 17:24, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
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Hello! Sorry about the pic of Gardevoir; I wasn't aware of the fair-use rule thing. I hope it didn't cause problems for you... Anyways, would it be possible to upload something like my own artwork or something? If so, how would I go about doing that? Hope to hear from you soon!-[[User:Floramage|Floramage!]] 17:18, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


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* [[Wikipedia:Image use policy]]
* [[Wikipedia:Image copyright tags]]


Thank you for your cooperation. --[[User:ImageTaggingBot|ImageTaggingBot]] ([[User talk:ImageTaggingBot|talk]]) 19:06, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
Nope, no idea, try [[User talk:Ky Oliveira|asking the uploader]], who seems to have a reputation for uploading unsourced images. I just came across it while tagging all images in [[Pokémon Regions]] and assumed it to be a screenshot from the games. (And I know this reply's late, but I couldn't help it, I have exams on right now.) Cheers, <font color="#4682B4">'''The Raven's Apprentice'''</font><sup>([[User:The Raven's Apprentice|<font color="#4682B4">'''Profile'''</font>]]|[[User Talk:The Raven's Apprentice|<font color="#4682B4">'''PokéNav'''</font>]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Raven's Apprentice|<font color="#4682B4">'''Trainer Card'''</font>]])</sup> 07:25, 10 March 2007 (UTC)


== Directories and databases ==
:Well, thanks. I'll check out [[WP:ATT]]. As for the image, just tag it as unsourced, someone or the other is bound to upload an official image after OrphanBot's finished with it. Cheers, <font color="#4682B4">'''The Raven's Apprentice'''</font><sup>([[User:The Raven's Apprentice|<font color="#4682B4">'''Profile'''</font>]]|[[User Talk:The Raven's Apprentice|<font color="#4682B4">'''PokéNav'''</font>]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Raven's Apprentice|<font color="#4682B4">'''Trainer Card'''</font>]])</sup> 07:12, 11 March 2007 (UTC)


I note that [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Notability_(fiction)&diff=299231218&oldid=298973329 you have tagged] the [[WP:FICT#Inclusion criteria|inclusion criteria]] that form part of [[Wikipedia:Notability (fiction)]] with {{tl|where}} template. With regard to the following can you explain why you have done this?
== [[:Category:Chess openings]] ==
<blockquote>
Directories and databases are examples of coverage that may not actually support notability when examined, despite their existence as reliable sources.
</blockquote>
Note that this wording has been cribbed from [[Wikipedia:Notability#cite_note-5|Note 6 of WP:N]], and is already in use and widely accepted. --[[User:Gavin.collins|Gavin Collins]] ([[User talk:Gavin.collins#top|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Gavin.collins|contribs)]] 08:48, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:well, i tagged it with {{tl|where}} b/c i was actually unaware of that little nugget squirreled away as a ref on WP:N, and i appreciate you taking the time to draw my attention to it. I have been a regular editor on wikipedia for several years, and thought that i was familiar with WP:N. Given that the main text is referring to WP:NOT, i would assume that the directories and databases it is referring to are those like the phone book, with such an incredibly large scope (all people in that geographic region) that individual members are only loosely connected. It might be better to use wording like:
::"Some reliable sources, like directories and databases, are indiscriminate collections of loosely connected members, it is recommended that articles should not usually rely on these types of sources to establish notability."
:Feel free to remove my tag, and perhaps wikilink to that section of WP:N.
:(extra ranting, read if you like) To be honest, it is difficult to keep up with all the conversations on just WP:V, WP:NPOV, and WP:OR, that to be asked to also be aware of the minutiae of their supporting guidelines is a little inhuman. And we could both attest to many editors on here who would feel that coverage in a reliable source has satisfied WP:V, so guidelines be damned - i generally challenge the notion of that wording, and even WP:N, as being widely accepted (remember the hue and cry when it was upgraded from essay?).--&#65279;[[User:Zappernapper|ΖαππερΝαππερ]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Zappernapper|Babel]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zappernapper|Alexandria]]</sub> 00:00, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
::*You make a valid point in this regard; I think note 5 does not fully explain itself. Your wording has its merits, but I recall an exchange I had with another editor (Masem) regarding the term "indiscriminate collections of loosely connected members" which makes this term problematical. He argued something along the lines that lists of characters or episodes should always merit their own standalone page on the grounds that they were not indiscriminate, but that they were part of a set of fictional elements that should have their own page on the grounds that this would provide comprehensive coverage of a topic. I have therefore amended [[WP:FICT#Inclusion criteria]] as follows:
<blockquote>
:::Coverage from tertiary sources does not constitute evidence of notability for the purposes of article creation; some reliable sources, like directories and databases, mainly summarize secondary sources, and should not be used in place of secondary sources to establish notability.
</blockquote>
:::I think this follows your train of thought, but is less likely to be disputed. --[[User:Gavin.collins|Gavin Collins]] ([[User talk:Gavin.collins#top|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Gavin.collins|contribs)]] 00:42, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
::::actually, the reasoning for using those other terms is ''because'' i feel character lists are not indiscriminate. I was more referring to a fictional database that decided to list every fictional character ever created, or databases like IMDB being used as the only 3rd party source to say actor X played character Y (or as the only source for info on episodes). However, if a third-party were to write an exhaustive encyclopedia on a fictional subject and that source was deemed to be reliable (i.e. it was truly encyclopedic in nature and not full of speculation or original fiction by the editor) i think it should satisfy our needs to be a [[WP:5P|specialized encyclopedia]], and we could write articles based heavily on that source - although still not exclusively. I don't tend to think articles should be written if they can only be sourced to one book, site, etc. I think that making the claim, "Coverage from tertiary sources does not constitute evidence of notability..." is too bold and would never have agreement, it sounds too contradictory to the sentence from WP:V that our threshold for inclusion is verifiabilty. i find it only necessary that as a guideline we recommend articles to not ''rely'' on some kinds of databases and directories as the only source because it calls into question that actual notability of the article. --&#65279;[[User:Zappernapper|ΖαππερΝαππερ]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Zappernapper|Babel]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zappernapper|Alexandria]]</sub> 01:06, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::In my view, if the content of a list is not supported by reliable secondary sources (if only in the main article), then that suggests to me that it is indiscriminate listcruft without a rationale for inclusion. A broad rule of thumb might be that if, say, a list of characters is not the subject of coverage in an article about a notable topic, then it is indiscriminate ''stuff''. I am not sure how else you can distinguish between listcruft and geniniely encyclopedic coverage. <br /> With regard to the argument that coverage from tertiary sources does not constitute evidence of notability, if only because Wikipedia is itself a tertiary source, and because tertiary sources tend to be summaries of secondary sources, such that it is very difficult to agrue that their coverage is not received ''third-hand'' so to speak, from a secondary source. Summarising a tertiary source is the equivalent of summarising a summary, and is the equivalent of hearsay from a legal perspective. <br />In theory some "Encylopedia of..." type publications may contain commentary from from reliable secondary sources (say an expert opinion of the editor), but I think this is an example of a secondary source being "embeded" in a tertiary source that might be allowable as evidence of notability if the expert opinion can be clearly distinguished from the rest of the tertiary source.<br />For these reasons, I think it is necessary to be bold, and a recomendation not to use tertiary sources as evidence of notability invites Wikilawyering. --[[User:Gavin.collins|Gavin Collins]] ([[User talk:Gavin.collins#top|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Gavin.collins|contribs)]] 10:54, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
::you're arguing that the subject does not merit inclusion (is not-notable) despite it's non-trivial discussion in a reliable third-party source only because that source is tertiary? while our other guidelines already say one should not depened on such sources for high levels of detail, they do not cast them off as irrelevant for establishing notability. --&#65279;[[User:Zappernapper|ΖαππερΝαππερ]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Zappernapper|Babel]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zappernapper|Alexandria]]</sub> 21:21, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
:::No, if it is the subject of non-trivial discussion in a reliable third-party source, then it is clearly a secondary source (such as commentary from an expert editor), even it is embedded in a tertiary source. Same goes for primary sources; sometimes you get commentary from an expert with, say, embedded as an introduction to Classic texts such as [[The Prince]], which are often the best source of criticism, analysis and context. Although the publication itself may be a primary source, the commentary (such as the introduction) may be classed as a reliable secondary source. However, primary and tertiary coverage on their own do not impart any notability per [[Wikipedia:No original research#Primary, secondary and tertiary sources]]. --[[User:Gavin.collins|Gavin Collins]] ([[User talk:Gavin.collins#top|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Gavin.collins|contribs)]] 21:37, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
::i am wondering what phrasing you are interpreting as saying, "...tertiary coverage on [its] own do[es] not impart any notability..." - please keep your quote relevant to tertiary sources. it seems to me that WP:OR is discussing ''content'' and ''prose'', not suitability of inclusion. --&#65279;[[User:Zappernapper|ΖαππερΝαππερ]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Zappernapper|Babel]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zappernapper|Alexandria]]</sub> 03:22, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
:::I see what you mean: I may have over stepped the mark. I have amended the wording in accordance with the footnotes in [[WP:N]] as follows:
<blockquote>
::::Note that all coverage in [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources]] constitutes evidence of notability for the purposes of article creation; [[Wikipedia:RS#Primary.2C_secondary.2C_and_tertiary_sources|directories and databases]], [[Wikipedia:Spam|advertisements]], [[WP:SBST|announcements columns and minor news stories]] are all examples of coverage that may not actually support notability when examined, despite their existence as reliable sources.
</blockquote>
:::Please feel free to amend this if you feel it can be improved upon. I have copied this theread to [[WT:FICT]]. --[[User:Gavin.collins|Gavin Collins]] ([[User talk:Gavin.collins#top|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Gavin.collins|contribs)]] 10:40, 6 July 2009 (UTC)


== [[Template:pokedex]] and [[Blastoise]] ==
Hi, I noticed you commented on this category. I noticed a similiar problem back in November, and so far as I can tell, the pages simply have not been improved. I'm not sure whether they can, or can't be, but I'm wondering if you still feel something should be done. [[User:Mister.Manticore|Mister.Manticore]] 17:18, 10 March 2007 (UTC)


First of all, nice job with the Pokedex template. Its really nice and easy to use. Second, thanks for reviving Blastoise. I fixed it up alot and made it worthy of being out in the open. One of my goals is to make the articles on the Pokemon species better. It seems this is your goal as well. Would you like to join [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Pokémon/Species|this taskforce]]? Also, when you get back, can you do whatever changes you were going to make to Blastoise? I don't want it to disappear. --[[User:Bws2cool|Blake]] ([[User talk:Bws2cool|talk]]) 17:13, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Well, assuming I understand your concern correctly, that your problem is with the lack of sources, then I don't disagree with you, but my first priority is establishing whether they belong on Wikipedia at all. The subject of openings in chess, I can concur with suitable for a general purpose encyclopedia. Some of the openings themselves might well qualify, but if the only content is a listing of the moves and strategic information? Not what I'd consider appropriate.
:Just letting you know, cutting down the in-universe information wont do anything to save the article. You have to find stuff to fill up the "Reception" section. Thats the only thing you can do if you want the article to live. I found something that said Blasoise was in [[The Simpsons Game]], but couldnt find a reference for it anywhere. --[[User:Bws2cool|Blake]] ([[User talk:Bws2cool|talk]]) 21:13, 7 July 2009 (UTC)


== No original research is needed ==
I do think we agree, though, there is work to be done. [[User:Mister.Manticore|Mister.Manticore]] 17:57, 10 March 2007 (UTC)


You added a {{tl|huh}} template to [[WP:FICT#Inclusion criteria]] regarding the following statement:
== Feebas ==
<blockquote>
* ''"Non-trivial real-world coverage"'' means that sources address the subject directly in detail using the real-world or out-of-universe analysis as the primary frame of reference, and [[Wikipedia:No original research|no original research]] is needed to extract the content.
</blockquote>
The phrase ''no original research is needed to extract the content'' has been lifted from [[WP:GNG]], and has been in use for quite some time now. What is it that you are unclear about? --[[User:Gavin.collins|Gavin Collins]] ([[User talk:Gavin.collins#top|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Gavin.collins|contribs)]] 08:56, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
:I have removed the {{tl|huh}} as I presume you are happy with the [[provenance]] of the this term. --[[User:Gavin.collins|Gavin Collins]] ([[User talk:Gavin.collins#top|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Gavin.collins|contribs)]] 10:36, 12 July 2009 (UTC)


== Talk:Mewtwo ==
I think you need at least one more citation to call it "the most annoying Pokemon" to catch ([[WP:WEIGHT]]). I also think it's a tad bit too detailed, especially regarding the comparsion between Magikarp and Feebas, but whatever. [[User:Hbdragon88|Hbdragon88]] 08:24, 11 March 2007 (UTC)


I'm sorry Zapper, but I've really tried arguing with you and so did Artichoker, and all you did was run around in circles without considering the points pushed really at all. The template is unnecessary in my opinion and at least one other person's. If the VG project agrees with you that it's fine I'll back off it, but I'll resolve it through that rather than try to debate it with you. There's enough in policy to support that motion, and I'd rather get additional opinions. Sorry.--[[User:Kung Fu Man|Kung Fu Man]] ([[User talk:Kung Fu Man|talk]]) 21:25, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
== thank you for your help ==
:i wouldn't characterize my actions like that at all since i made concessions and retooled the template. if you had been able to provide a proper example, your point would have been made, but you didn't - and even then that doesn't mean a better solution doesn't exist, ala the OTHERCRAPEXISTS arguement. --&#65279;[[User:Zappernapper|ΖαππερΝαππερ]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Zappernapper|Babel]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zappernapper|Alexandria]]</sub> 21:43, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for helping better understand what everyone meant by what everyone meant by indiscriminate. I'm rather new to this whole jig. [[user:mroberholt|mroberholt]] 10:57, March 11, 2007 (UTC)
::Zapper, there's more than a few things wrong with your statement. First you're arguing that the voice actors are exclusive to the anime...but they're not. Jigglypuff's and Mewtwo's voice actors have still voiced the characters in the games, including Super Smash Bros (in Mewtwo's case, full on dialogue for Pokemon Puzzle League). I'd have to do research on the others, but there are probably other cases like that if I dug around enough. Every other video game character article is in a similar state: if there's a voice actor, it's listed and noted where despite the format, given that many voice actors will reprise their roles for the games still (such as [[Tifa Lockhart]] and several others). Lastly it's really not that confusing a template. I really hope this point gets through because I'm tired of arguing this with you dude.--[[User:Kung Fu Man|Kung Fu Man]] ([[User talk:Kung Fu Man|talk]]) 21:59, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
:::i challenge your assertion that Mewtwo had a voice actor in Pokemon Red and Blue as the template as-is currently claims. --&#65279;[[User:Zappernapper|ΖαππερΝαππερ]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Zappernapper|Babel]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zappernapper|Alexandria]]</sub> 22:10, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
::::I don't have to meet that challenge. Returning to my example of Tifa (or if you want a GA, [[Cloud Strife]]), there was no voice actor in the original ''Final Fantasy VII''. However it's still listed just fine without incident. [[Mario]] had no voice actor until a later time either, same for [[Reptile (Mortal Kombat)]]. And so on and so forth. This is the case with ''countless'' video game articles. The prose is what works out when the voice actors were done. And if that doesn't float your boat you can note in the infobox body just fine when said character had a voice actor/actress. Pokemon is ''not a unique case''.--[[User:Kung Fu Man|Kung Fu Man]] ([[User talk:Kung Fu Man|talk]]) 22:14, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
:i never said pokemon was unique for the aspect of voice acting... i just noted voiceacting might be better handled with the different template. pokemon is still unique in the fact that these characters gained their notability ''outside'' of games as well. All these examples you've given are still characters that became notable through their video game appearances alone, while it could be argued that the video games gave rise to the cartoon in japan - a single year divides them, and here on the english wikipedia, if we look at the pokemon franchise in the english speaking world, the two media were released within the ''same'' year. These other characters you say pokemon are ''just like'' have ''not'' played a major role in a cartoon running for 12 years... --&#65279;[[User:Zappernapper|ΖαππερΝαππερ]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Zappernapper|Babel]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zappernapper|Alexandria]]</sub> 22:25, 11 July 2009 (UTC)


== Edit war on [[Blastoise]] ==
== Re AWB Feature Request "Open text selection in browser" ==


You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war on [[Blastoise]]. I count three reverts. Now cool it and stop being disruptive. Instead, continue to participate in the discussions on the talk page. '''[[User:Artichoker|<span style="color:#064">Artichoker</span>]]'''<sup>['''[[User talk:Artichoker|<span style="color:#000">talk</span>]]''']</sup> 00:00, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi,
:the merge proposal, by admission, is not a discussion, it's meant to be a vote which is a "very bad thing". --&#65279;[[User:Zappernapper|ΖαππερΝαππερ]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Zappernapper|Babel]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zappernapper|Alexandria]]</sub> 13:25, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
I've added it for the next release


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[[User:Reedy Boy|Reedy Boy]] 21:22, 16 March 2007 (UTC)


== Taking it to a higher authority ==
== What discussion? ==


I did not see any discussion relating to not having Pokérus in the game mechanics page. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] [[User talk:A Link to the Past|(talk)]] 18:36, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
[[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Video_games#Backup_might_be_needed|I've started a discussion on the VG project talk page]].--[[User:Kung Fu Man|Kung Fu Man]] ([[User talk:Kung Fu Man|talk]]) 19:46, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
:I see. Okay. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] [[User talk:A Link to the Past|(talk)]] 19:00, 24 March 2007 (UTC)


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== [[Wikipedia:Templates for deletion|Templates for deletion]] nomination of [[:Template:Pokebox]] ==
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==Responding to your interesting comment==
Hi Zappernapper, thanks for the welcome on my talk page. I like the fancy rat page here on wikipedia but I find that I have to be very careful to remain objective when editing it: I have seven rats of my own so there is always a danger of losing neutrality! I'm looking forward to help make the page even better.[[User:Mumby|Mumby]] 10:36, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
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== Hi, Where are you? ==
== List of Pokémon by Evolutionary Line ==


I hope you weren't discouraged from editing because of the [[Blastoise]] incident. Since then, we have done alot like making a [[Mr. Mime]] article, an unpublished [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Pokémon/Abra evolutionary line|Abra evolutionary line]], and gathered [[WP:POKE/R|alot of reception]] on Pokemon. It would be nice if you could join us again as we attempt to get all the [[WP:Poké/STF|species articles]] to GA-Class and then start making articles like [[Snorlax]] and [[Lucario]]. <sub style="color:#00008B;">'''[[User:Bws2cool|Blake]]'''</sub> <sup>([[User talk:Bws2cool#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Bws2cool|Edits]])</sup> 01:05, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
Hi Zappernapper. It seems as though you and I had the same idea on what to do with the List of Pokemon articles at some point: grouping by evolutionary lines. As you pointed out, there are flaws in the system, but I think I can work around them. I'll tweak my original proposition just a bit...


At present count, there are 33 legendaries and 32 otherwise solitary pokemon (including Tauros and Miltank, since they're not quite a pair, as you pointed out). So, here's an idea on what we can do:
#Add a section in [[Legendary Pokémon]] to serve as an index.
#We can list out all of the applicable monsters alphabetically, spanning several articles, naming the articles appropriately ([[List of Pokémon without evolutions (A-G)]], or wherever the divide might fall)
#Then, we can join them all together with a template at the top of the page, such as the one found on the [[Ninjutsu (Naruto)|List of ninjutsu in Naruto]] articles.
#Last but not least, we can create an index page for [[List of Pokémon without evolutions]] and repeat the process. Make sure to have a link on that index page to [[Legendary Pokémon]], since they don't evolve, as well as ''main article:'' links instead of content under the headers of the eight pokemon in pairs.


==File copyright problem with File:Capromys pilorides.jpg==
As for naming conventions on the articles of evolving pokemon, I'd suggest going by "(First monster) evolution line," where the first monster is the first to appear in the National Dex, not necessarily the first evolutionary stage. For instance: Caterpie would head [[Caterpie evolution line]] since it comes before Metapod and Butterfree in the dex; Pikachu would head [[Pikachu evolution line]] because it comes before Raichu and Pichu in the national dex. The only line I think would be more convenient with a different naming scheme would be [[Tyrogue evolution line]], since Tyrogue is in the center of it all. For the monsters in pairs by similarity, both names can go in the title in Pokedex order ([[Plusle and Minun]], [[Volbeat and Illumise]], [[Zangoose and Seviper]], [[Lunatone and Solrock]]).
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Do you think that could work? [[User:You Can't See Me!|''<span style="color: #C0C090">You Can't See Me!</span>'']] 06:36, 3 April 2007 (UTC)


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== Reply ==


I left a reply on my talk page for you. -[[User:Jeske Couriano|Jeske]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Jeske Couriano|v^_^v]])</small></sup> 18:03, 13 April 2007 (UTC)


==File copyright problem with File:Capromys pilorides.jpg==
== Chess again ==
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Hey, I was just wondering if you had any houghts to add about the problems with the various chess articles to the discussion at [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess]]. Sadly, things remain in the same state as they were a couple of months ago, so if you don't want to get into this can of worms again, I can understand. [[User:Mister.Manticore|Mister.Manticore]] 22:12, 17 April 2007 (UTC)


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== AWB bug ==


==CfD nomination of [[:Category:Images of Pikachu]]==
Hi - I've replied on my talk page for threading purposes (I want to point one or two others at the thread). Wikibreak - no chance! <strong>[[User:Martinp23|Mart]]<font color="red">[[User_talk:Martinp23|inp23]]</font></strong> 19:41, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
I have nominated {{lc|Images of Pikachu}} for merging into {{lc|Pokémon images}}. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 April 21#Category:Images of Pikachu|the discussion page]]. Thank you. —'''[[User:TheFarix|Farix]]'''&nbsp;([[User talk:TheFarix|t]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/TheFarix|c]]) 11:17, 21 April 2010 (UTC)


==[[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|Speedy deletion]] nomination of [[:File:Bevers.jpg]]==
== Pokemon images cat ==
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A tag has been placed on [[:File:Bevers.jpg]] requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under [[WP:CSD#I2|section I2 of the criteria for speedy deletion]], because it is an image page for a missing or corrupt image or an empty image description page for a Commons-hosted image.
Reinstated per your request. [[User:NawlinWiki|NawlinWiki]] 00:45, 29 April 2007 (UTC)


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== Pokemon image templates ==
Honestly, that's what [[WP:DRV|deletion review]] is for. I'd recommend going there. The consensus was pretty strong for deletion. Reinstating the deletion debate is ok in alot of circumstances, but I don't think it applies here. It's not as if the debate just lasted a day or two. TfD debates last a week. To me, that's more than enough time to catch things such as that. Usually, we only relist for consensus. Well. This had consensus...so...I'd suggest going to deletion review, where I might very well be overturned. --[[User:Woohookitty|''Woohookitty'']]<sup>[[User talk:Woohookitty|Woohoo!]]</sup> 08:26, 29 April 2007 (UTC)


== FYI ==
==[[Feebas]] and [[Milotic]] will '''never''' become GAs if they're separate?==
Challenge? I'll make Feebas and Milotic GAs by May 15 2007 and they should not be merged if I win. Do reply on [[User talk:Vikrant Phadkay|my talk page]] before May 2. [[User:Vikrant Phadkay|Vikrant Phadkay]] 15:11, 29 April 2007 (UTC)


Discussion moved from my talk to [[user:Xenobot/R#WP:RODENT]]. –[[user:xeno|<span style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">'''xeno'''</span>]][[user talk:xeno|<sup style="color:black;">talk</sup>]] 14:58, 31 January 2011 (UTC)


== re:[[#Hi, Where are you?]] ==
== Layout ==


Wow, since the last time I contacted you(October 2009), we have split off so many species. See the [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Template:Pokemon_directory&oldid=317115834 before] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Template:Pokemon_directory&oldid=414494872 after] of {{tl|Pokemon directory}}. Much of this is possible due to {{user|New Age Retro Hippie}}(old "A Link to the Past") and {{user|Kung Fu Man}} finding reception for so many of them. I have personally gotten [[Charizard]] and [[Abra, Kadabra, and Alakazam]] to GA status. I also wanted to let you know that [[Blastoise]] actually has a good amount of reception found, and with some fluffing of it, could possibly be notable. Thanks, <sub style="color:#00008B;">'''[[User:Blake|Blake]]'''</sub> <sup>([[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]])</sup> 23:43, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
Zapper, you may want to have a look at [[WT:PCP/Layout|this]]. I had a [[User talk:Kevin Murray#Regarding rejection of Wikipedia:WikiProject Pokémon/Layout|brief chat with the person in charge]], and recieved [[User talk:You Can't See Me!#Regarding rejection of Wikipedia:WikiProject Pokémon/Layout|this response]]. [[User:You Can't See Me!|''<span style="color: #C0E0A0">You Can't See Me!</span>'']] 05:04, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:it's nice of you to contact me again and i am happy you are working well with AL2TP and Kung Fu Man. I personally do not enjoy working with people who define consensus as a vote, and are not interested in any viewpoints contrary to their own. it would appear that wikipedia is moving away from trying to be an encyclopedia about everything, and i have learned that it's best to not waste what spare time i have writing pages of arguments that go essentially ignored. cheers! --&#65279;[[User:Zappernapper|ΖαππερΝαππερ]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Zappernapper|Babel]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zappernapper|Alexandria]]</sub> 02:39, 27 February 2011 (UTC)


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You are not doing any merger legally. So stop it. Do you understand? Stop It! [[User:Vikrant Phadkay|Vikrant Phadkay]] 16:05, 19 May 2007 (UTC)


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I would suggest that you advertise your Pokemon layout proposal, e.g. at the [[WP:VP|village pump]] or [[WP:RFC]], to get more feedback from the community. [[User_talk:Radiant!|<b><font color="#0000DD">&gt;<font color="#0066FF">R<font color="#0099FF">a<font color="#00CCFF">d<font color="#00EEFF">i</font>a</font>n</font>t</font>&lt;</font></b>]] 09:07, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
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== Callosciurus ==
== removing todo from [[Template:PCP]] ==


Hi! Why did you merge all the ''Callosciurus'' species into the article of the genus? I think some of them have enough text to have a separate article. Furthermore, the many taxoboxes look very bad in one article. Was there a talk about merging? -- [[User:Sanyi4|Sanyi4]] ([[User talk:Sanyi4|talk]]) 20:53, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
do you have a reason for this? i wasn't aware of a consensus that todo shouldn't be transcluded into other templates, and as the project has over 500 articles, it seemed like a simplistic way of incorporating todo lists unilaterally. -[[User:Zappernapper|ΖαππερΝαππερ]] <sup>[[User talk:Zappernapper|Babel]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zappernapper|Alexandria]]</sub> 16:22, 21 May 2007 (UTC)


== Squirrel merges CURRENTDATE ==
:Yes, actually. When you try to make the template "small", the todo box shows up and is impossible to remove. So I just removed the todo box from the actual template, and problem solved! "Unilaterally" I don't think is the word you're looking for, unless you have a very different idea of Wikipedia's basic policies than I do. ;) Anyway, I don't think most pages need a "todo" added on automatically. If a certain poke actually does need it, it can be added on easily enough, right? [[User:Matt Yeager|<b><font color="#DF0001">Matt Yeager</font></b>]] [[Special:Random|<b><font size="3" color="#B46611">♫</font></b>]] [[User_talk:Matt Yeager|<font color="#00AA88">(Talk?)</font>]] 21:15, 21 May 2007 (UTC)


Hi. I think you meant to subst <nowiki>{{CURRENTDATE}}</nowiki> in the {{tl|merged-to}}s for [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Zappernapper&dir=prev&offset=20130715160317&limit=17 the squirrel merges that you did]. [[User:Flatscan|Flatscan]] ([[User talk:Flatscan|talk]]) 04:33, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
::well rather than rming the template it may have been better to try and find a coded workaround (like just making todo not be transcluded if the small paramter is set). those boxes helped facilitate the project's focuses and now there are invisible pages (to do pages with no link to them) on whtever articles used todo. i'll put the above code i mentioned in, to prevent any problems, but in the meantime, could you also give me a page that uses the small parameter so i can see what the problem is? i may be able to fix it. -[[User:Zappernapper|ΖαππερΝαππερ]] <sup>[[User talk:Zappernapper|Babel]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zappernapper|Alexandria]]</sub> 12:27, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
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:::Oh, good point, I hadn't thought of that--of course pages that had already had a todo would no longer have the todo showing. Snap. Anyway, the page was [[Talk:Bulbasaur]] that I noticed the problem on. If you can do something to fix up the template like you said, that would probably be the best possible solution (or just include an option for the template not to be transcluded--say, notodo=yes). Actually, I see you've already done something to fix it, and I think that what the template is now will work just fine. Thanks and congratulations. [[User:Matt Yeager|<b><font color="#DF0001">Matt Yeager</font></b>]] [[Special:Random|<b><font size="3" color="#B46611">♫</font></b>]] [[User_talk:Matt Yeager|<font color="#00AA88">(Talk?)</font>]] 21:47, 22 May 2007 (UTC)


==Battle Frontier==
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I removed [[:Category:American poets]] because it has been superseded by [[:Category:20th-century American poets]]. --[[User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|''Che dicono a Signa?'']]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao|'''Lo dicono a Signa.''']]</sub> 00:31, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
I wrote an artcle on the Frontier 3 weeks ago and it got deleted because [[User:Zappernapper/Battle Frontier|your article]] on it already existed. It's time you put a direct link to your article on the [[Battle Frontier |disambiguation page for the Battle Frontier]] so no-one else does this. I copied the article and relocated it [[Battle Frontier|here]]. If you want it removed then just delete it.([[User:Eternal dragon|Eternal dragon]] 08:46, 4 June 2007 (UTC))
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You always seem to make really good points on talk pages, but... how do I put this... you're very... "blah blah blah"... Your paragraphs are always so large! I suppose that what I'm trying to say here is that your contributions to talk pages sometimes get a bit big, and perhaps a little intimidating. When I read through them, I lose concentration halfway through and get to the point where I'm just scanning the text. I just thought I'd let you know that. --[[User:Brandon Dilbeck|Brandon Dilbeck]] 07:53, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
:i know :D that's why i try to summarize at the end. -[[User:Zappernapper|ΖαππερΝαππερ]] <sup>[[User talk:Zappernapper|Babel]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zappernapper|Alexandria]]</sub> 07:56, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
::Maybe it's my short attention span. I'm sorry to be so blunt. --[[User:Brandon Dilbeck|Brandon Dilbeck]] 07:59, 25 June 2007 (UTC)


== WikiProject Rodents barnstar ==
== Username ==


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I'm confused. Are you going by a new user name now? But I liked your old one! Did you go through [[Wikipedia:Changing username]]? I think that by doing it that way, you can keep your history of contributions. --[[User:Brandon Dilbeck|Brandon Dilbeck]] 07:18, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
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:i created a second user name, thereby gaining a second watchlist which i can use just for pokemon stuff. however, i'm tempted to still use this one for XFD discussions and reviews because having Poke in my name might undermine my credibility... -[[User:Zappernapper|ΖαππερΝαππερ]] <sup>[[User talk:Zappernapper|Babel]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zappernapper|Alexandria]]</sub> 16:43, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
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I left my comments here: [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Pokémon]]. I was actually very surprised when I saw you reverting the merges. It's quite disappointing that you want the project to remain in such a horrible condition, but I guess you believe it's in good condition. --[[User:Teggles|Teggles]] 23:59, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
:No, it's not enough real-world context. Where's the information on creature design? Where's the information on reception? What about cultural impact; cosplay, fan coverage? Because that information is not available for every creature, instead the articles are filled with two paragraphs of "gains Flamethrower at level 28, gains Tackle at level 5 etc." and an in-depth coverage of every single minor appearance in the anime. What you're doing is simply copying the content of the game and anime. The "first appearance" dates are a good start, I commend that. But if there is no possibility for '''real-world information to overweigh fictional information''', then the articles should be merged. Every single creature article has fictional information overweighting real-world information. --[[User:Teggles|Teggles]] 01:00, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
::Please don't reinstate any more Pokemon articles. A majority consensus has been arrived at that there's not enough information to give each Pokemon their own article and that they're easier to navigate in list format. Trying to get all Pokemon articles up to snuff by themselves would be a massive job that would take forever, while lists are more manageable. Heck, if even the Pokedex has a one-sentence description, how would we fill up an article? (If you're thinking of an anime synopsis, moveset listing, or other such cruft, it wouldn't work...because it's a plot summary, not an article.) And as the above post states, you wouldn't be able to drum up real-world info for every single Pokemon, only the major ones (starters and Pikachu, mostly).--[[User:Zxcvbnm|Zxcvbnm]] 00:24, 7 July 2007 (UTC)


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==Deletion of Battle Frontier==
[[User:A Link to the Past]] has reverted the [[Battle Frontier]] page, the one containing [[User:Zappernapper|your original page]] with my merger into a disambig several times, and this has sparked some debate as to whether this article should be kept.

This user claims, as stated on my talk page, that "recreation of deleted material is very strong criteria that cannot be countered by anything whatsoever." He states that a previous article on the BF was deleted, however this was on February 2007, at least five months before I merged your article.

I understand, as stated in [[WP:CSD]] that recreation of deleted material is also criteria for sppedy deletion, however the new article adresses the issue as stated below. As stated in WP:CSD, the article '''''is not''''' an exact copy of the exact article and does not match the criteria. Recreation of deleted material is only a valid CSD if it is an exact copy of the previously deleted article.

(The paragraph below was the argument I wrote on [[User talk:A Link to the Past|his talk page]].)

The reasons for the previous Battle Frontier article being deleted, as stated in [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle Frontier]] states the reason for the previous articles deletion was due to the fact that it failed to meet the criteria of [[WP:V|verifiability]] and [[WP:NOR|no original research]], and contained [[WP:RS|no reliable sources.]] However, overall, while the article was deleted, many people agree that a BF aricle is still necessary due to the fact that it is actually a region on its own and is highly relevant to the Emerald video game (however there is so much information about it that it may not be able to be merged into the [[Pokémon Emerald|article on Emerald]]).

Thus, as the BF article is still relevant to the topic on Emerald discussed, however requires too long an explanation to be merged into the Emerald article, it is necessary to have a BF article on Wikipedia. The situation is starting to turn into an edit war, and the last time he reverted the article, he claimed that it needs a deletion review before it can be recreated. The thing is, he failed to seek a deletion review himself before deleting the article in the first place.

I am still discussing with this guy as to keeping the article but this may have to go into admin hands sometime. [[User:Eternal dragon|Eternal dragon]] 11:34, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

== Thanks For The Notice ==

Even though I've added myself. We've had little interaction but I have to say I'm sorry to see you leave the project. :( Oh well, happy editing! -[[User:WarthogDemon|WarthogDemon]] 17:50, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
:Well thanks for your Notice I'm gonna have to leave the project. I've been innactive. [[User:Uchiha23|<font color="red">Uch</font>]][[User talk:Uchiha23|<font color="blue">iha</font>]][[Special: Contributions/Uchiha23|<font color="green">23</font>]] 05:48, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
::Sorry I meant to say that i've been innactive for a while. [[User:Uchiha23|<font color="red">Uch</font>]][[User talk:Uchiha23|<font color="blue">iha</font>]][[Special: Contributions/Uchiha23|<font color="green">23</font>]] 05:48, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

== Portal ==

Hey, sorry about the confusion, but I thought that the naming conventions for cities were to have the city followed by the state, as in [[Baton Rouge, Louisiana]]? I forgot about that when I was making the portal for the template. I am not sure which is correct so I leave it to you to decide. Thanks for your attention. [[User:Arundhati lejeune|Arundhati lejeune]] 00:47, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
:OK, thanks for the heads up, I will try to get an admin to help out. Cheers. [[User:Arundhati lejeune|Arundhati lejeune]] 09:32, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

== The note ==

Um, hi, you probably don't know me, but, yeah, I added my name to the Poke-project without thinking of doing the work, and I haven't been editing lately, so I'm resigning. Thanks a lot for contacting me and not just taking my name off w/o a notice. Hopefully I'll see you in future edits. Yours sincerly, <strong>&nbsp;[[User:Spottedstripe|<font color="darkorange">Spotted</font>]][[User talk:Spottedstripe|<font color="blue">stripe</font><sub><font color="darkred">(Talk2Me)</font></sub>]]</strong> 23:25, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

== Quick Check ==

Should the message under the images be the same? (Pokemon, by [[Ken Sugimori]]) ? -[[User:WarthogDemon|WarthogDemon]] 16:32, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
:Oopsie. Well I can fix all of that pretty fast actually. Do you still want the pokemon's name under the image, or no text at all? -[[User:WarthogDemon|WarthogDemon]] 18:13, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

== odd request for your bot ==

hi! not sure if you would have rather had this request on your bot's talk page or not, but i wanted to be sure you saw it quickly. the [[WP:POKE|pokemon porject]] is currently trying to downsize all the lead images and upload them with consistent, descriptive names. As there are about 496 such images, doing it by hand is rather tedious. If i supplied you with a .zip of the images and a general write-up, could you have PNGcrusader upload them for me? it would save a lot of time. please respond on my talk page. Thanks for your time! -[[User:Zappernapper|ΖαππερΝαππερ]] <sup>[[User talk:Zappernapper|Babel]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zappernapper|Alexandria]]</sub> 16:28, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

:Well, I'm afraid this isn't what the bot was designed or approved to do. You are welcome to create your own bot and request approval for it (see [[Wikipedia:Creating a bot]] to get started), or perhaps use an editing helper such as the [[Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser|AutoWikiBrowser]]. —[[User:Remember the dot|Remember the dot]] <sup>([[User talk:Remember the dot|talk]])</sup> 18:24, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

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Twinkle

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Hi!

I haven't logged into Wikipedia for ages! thanks for the complement on the pictures of Twinkle! I would have loved to get a better picture of her to show her markings but unfortunately she was put down in February! It still upsets me a little but her memory will live on!

ELIOT2000 (talk) 21:02, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GA review on Dog

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Hi Zapper,

Thanks for taking the time to review the Dog article. I know its a big article, and it took a fair investment of time to look over carefully. I agreed with some of your comments, but I feel that a number of them were really nitpicky, and holding the article to a higher standard than GA There are a fair number of people who have completely stopped trying to achieve FA status because getting an article that last 2% of the way has become very difficult and time intensive, without adding much substantively to the article. Unfortunately, I feel that many of your criticism fall in this category. For instance, you failed the article on being sufficiently referenced. There are over a hundred references in that article, most used multiple times. At least 99% of statements that could be contentious are referenced. You failed it for 3 missing references: the statement that the domestic dog is a subspecies of the wolf--a statement that is supported by 80 of the 100 references, and is not contentious--and the fact that Bob Barker was an advocate of spaying, and a third that I haven't tracked down yet. That standard is not the standard laid out in the good article criteria. Focusing on these three marginal problems is myopic at best.

I'm not arguing with the decision--honestly, I haven't fully evaluated your review as a whole; I may completely agree with your final decision. The GA review process is supposed to be an intermediate point between FA--near perfect--and a crappy article, such as Dog behavior or Dog training, and serves two purposes: (1) to improve the article through a peer review process; and (2) to encourage editors to push for a higher standard. When reviewers are too myopic, and focus on the 2% of the flaws instead of the 98% of the improvements that editors put into the article, they undermine (2). That is why many editors have stopped striving for FA status. I think that is also why I will stop striving for GA status.

Thanks again for taking the time to review the article. --Thesoxlost (talk) 15:41, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry if you felt i was being too "nitpicky", but AGF and trust me in that I do understand the difference between a GA and FA. You're response suggests that you did not understand (or i did not make clear) my reasons for failing the article, and you may not have understood the reasons for failing 2A.
Firstly, the article was not failed over three missing references. It was for the 11 seperate MOS issues, plus ref problems (including cite tags - which should have been taken care of before nomination), plus lack of coverage on expected topics (comprehensiveness is an FA issue, but a mention of these topics is necessary). Any one of these problems, by themselves, would have justified a Hold... but the three of them together means that this article was not ready for a GA nomination.
Secondly, the reason for requiring sources on those three statements in 2A is because when claiming that someone said something (as a direct quote or otherwise) you need to back it up with a ref. Look carefully and you'll see that each was attributed to some entity.
I would appreciate you not saying my actions are "myopic", that's a bit deragotory and unconstructive. I would love to see this article reach GA, and then FA. But to nominate an article that still has cite tags was poor planning. It shows that you failed to do Step 1 in the guide to nominating good articles. Rather than characterize my criticisms as "nitpicky", take the time to work on them. you'll find that you can learn more about writing a good article and it will help you in the future when you've gone on to tackle other subjects. -ΖαππερΝαππερ BabelAlexandria 00:40, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Zapper, sorry for being too frank; I meant to be honest and constructive, but not derogatory. The point wasn't that you didn't have constructive things to say about the article that will help other editors improve upon it. The point was simply that your review scared away an editor that has made major revisions to this article, which is worth reflecting on. WP has a wierd community; Its essentially WoW or everquest without the monsters. People role play with their editor or reviewer or administrator hats on, and they lose perspective. No page, good, featured or otherwise, is a finished product; they are all in flux. People can throw fact tags into featured or good article because they are evolving documents. For this reason, my understanding was that one fact tag didn't count against the GA criteria. To support this understanding, see Wikipedia:Reviewing_good_articles:
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The point wasn't that you didn't have sufficiently reason to fail the article. Like I said, I think many of your points were substantive and on point. The point is that too many of them were so trivial that they send the message that an editor would need to spend many hours nitpicking over whether references go after periods, and a myriad of other silly things that substantively don't affect the quality of the article. Normal editors who simply want to improve articles won't do this; the only people who will do this are the hard-core wikipedians who are fighting for social capital, looking for barnstars and wanting to put another GA or FA feather in their cap. The WP equivalent of leveling up. Is that really what we want to achieve?
I didn't mean to berate you; I meant to encourage you to consider the POV. If you still completely disagree with me, no worries; I won't bother you on the topic anymore. Thanks again for taking the time. --Thesoxlost (talk) 14:23, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
perhaps my review was a giant monster that scared someone away, but it wasn't meant to be, and i would suggest to that editor that they not concern themselves with commas and periods but instead work on the problems with prose and coverage. Everybody has their own things they like to do on wikipedia, and i'm sure you could still focus on the other aspects of the article that need work. I have gone ahead and contacted editors at WP:TYPO and WP:GCE to help with those "nitpicky" details so hopefully you can instead work on the coverage issues and tracking down sources for your attributed claims (Humane Society, Smithsonian, Bob Barker, and Drew Carey - checking out those articles might be a good starting point). I suggest you also try seeking help with the other reference problems in the review. -ΖαππερΝαππερ BabelAlexandria 22:47, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. Perhaps I was too hasty in my assessment. If there are people out there who's passion is commas, that's great :). My real interest is in substance, and your review did bring up issues of substance which I'm happy to focus on. When I found the article, it was really poor. It was a half good, half POV article on how people view their dogs. My goal was to make it the best public source of information on the topic. As it was, I think it met that standard, although it can of course be improved. As long as someone is willing to do it--or rather, enjoys doing it, I suppose fixing the "nitpicky" things is a valuable service. If this is truly the GA standard, then I still can't say that I care whether the article ever meets all of the criteria. But I do appreciate the substantive criticisms, and hope that others will be happy addressing the formal concerns. Best, --Thesoxlost (talk) 17:50, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I look forward to seeing your substantive changes (specifically adding information on the topics i noted were missing), and hopefully you can address some of that "Problem prose". One editor has already come forward and started making changes (although s/he failed to notice any punctuation errors... bah), and i have perosnally gone through and made quite a few fixes. I do hope though, that you still strive to meet all the GA requirements. Idiosyncrasies aside (perhaps my distaste for parenthetical prose in articles), following the MOS and standard punctuation/spelling/grammar is important to an article because it elevates it to a point beyond your typical hack-job. It lends credibility and authority to the article - are you more willing to trust something riddled with bad speling and punctuation, or something that looks like the people writing it were able to put two sentences together correctly? Again... I eagerly look forward to an expanded article -ΖαππερΝαππερ BabelAlexandria 18:03, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

RE: Copyedit request

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I'll try to get it done by Monday. MSJapan (talk) 03:52, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Copyedit complete. MSJapan (talk) 03:29, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rats in the ricefields

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I'm sorry for not having specified the names. I was concentrating on the culinary aspect of the section more than on the scientific side. The rats in the ricefields in Southeast Asia are "Rattus argentiventer". I have not been able to find the scientific name of the rat species living in the rice growing region of Valencia, close to the Albufera around the 19th century. The rat-eating habits of the people of that area were mentioned by Vicente Blasco Ibañez in his novel Cañas y barro. Xufanc (talk) 10:10, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Peer review

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I missed the comments on Wikipedia:Peer review/Fancy rat/archive1 until it was archived earlier today - sorry. I just replied to the questions there, and think it should be OK for GA. Good luck, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 20:18, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Re : Fancy Rat

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Hello saw your comments, my apologies for the delay... Was pretty busy. I have added my comments. --Bluptr (talk) 15:57, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Review

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Unable to review it now but I am sure someone will pick it up.--Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 13:39, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bates method

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In regards to your question at Talk:Bates method/Archive 9#Lede section, no, you did not miss subsequent discussion; Ronz seems to be referring to his reply to me in that same section. As long as he doesn't put up a tag or try to substantially change the lede, I don't see any point in pressing him to explain anything. At this point Seeyou seems like a greater threat to destabilize the article. I'm convinced that if that drawing were included, its caption would be a point of ongoing dispute.

I would probably re-add the Meir Schneider Youtube link now if not for the GA nomination. I think it's fairly clear that it is legitimate as far as copyright is concerned, but its presence or absence is not that big a deal. However, the assumptions Ronz was making about it bothered me. PSWG1920 (talk) 15:16, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I just added two photos from a source I had previously neglected to check for such. The article probably has enough pictures now to pass WP:FA, but other factors would likely prevent that.
I'm sorry that Seeyou is doubting my good faith. However, I'm not going to tell him/her to AGF as I think that's counterproductive. PSWG1920 (talk) 02:01, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This FA nomination seems to have similar issues. I'm going to keep an eye on it and see if it gets passed. PSWG1920 (talk) 04:23, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have any thoughts regarding what, if anything, to do about this? PSWG1920 (talk) 20:39, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

accomodation discussing regarding fig 4

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Zappernapper, I appreciate your help, but PSWG1920 should explain. Sorry to say but it is very hard for me to believe PSWG1920 really wants to improve the article on objective facts. Check the information in this link about what Bates said about the ciliairy muscle which influences the lens of the eye. [1] paragraph 4. Further discussion here or on my talkpage. Seeyou (talk) 20:29, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Stotting Gazelle

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You are welcome to use the image on Wikipedia.

http://flickr.com/photos/rwilhelmsen/2059888681/

I haven't figured out how to change the settings on individual photos yet, it's never been an issue. If this note is permission enough, great. If not, I'll investigate further over the weekend. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.96.98.202 (talk) 00:43, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

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Good luck if you decide to go for FA. PSWG1920 (talk) 17:08, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent work!

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The Barnstar of Diligence
Hereby awarded to Zappernapper for extraordinary work and tireless efforts in getting Fancy rat promoted to Good Article status. -- Levine2112 discuss 01:21, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

stotting gazelle

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Hi, I've changed the license on my photo http://www.flickr.com/photos/moocat/3020012127/?edited=1 to Creative Commons. You can use it in your article. And thanks...I never heard of the term 'stotting' before! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.78.51.76 (talk) 17:24, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Justin Baldoni

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My reverts were of the edits of the person stating that he wouldn't have premarital sex because noone in their right mind would. I don't understand your comment "pls don't refer 2 good-faith edits by established users as vandalism + check WP:GRAPEVINE)" - the edits I reverted were by anonymous users, not established ones. --Mjrmtg (talk) 16:21, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Date linking RfC comment

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You asked why there wasn't an option similar to Year option 2 in Month-Day. It's because previous RfCs and discussion show a clear lack of support for it. My attempt (yes, I'm responsible for most of the wording) for options 2 was to try to come up with an attempt at a consensus position, based on the results of the "detailed RfC". If you had spoken up earlier....

I hope this doesn't violate the rules, but the poll talk page doesn't really seem the appropriate place to leave a comment. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 15:42, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Name

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Hey, you might remember from the pokemon project.I was wondering how you got your name to link like that?I would love to add Old English Letters with Two words behind it.Linking to my Talk and contribs.Thanks, Ive been wanting to do that for a LONG time.PeRmEtHiUs (talk) 14:54, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks-Þέŗṃέłḥìμŝ 14:48, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Template:Pokeconvert

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Hi. That's nice work you did on the Pokemon convert template. In this diff you added some explanations that include a template loop. Is there any way to avoid the template loop? For example, couldn't the output be unsupported second parameter?

I understand the need to warn for possible errors. It is in connection with my regular housekeeping cores on Category:Template loop warnings that I write you about this.

Good luck! Debresser (talk) 10:36, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No progress with that so far? Debresser (talk) 07:36, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Torchic Picture

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Could you upload a pic of torchic and put it on my subpage that im creating an article about him on thanks. Peace Out-Þέŗṃέłḥìμŝ LifeDeath 13:02, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also for Ivysaur at User:Permethius/Sandbox? Thanks. Peace Out-Þέŗṃέłḥìμŝ LifeDeath 13:56, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ive created the articles.Ivysaur And Torchic-Þέŗṃέłḥìμŝ LifeDeath 11:37, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Use of flickr photo

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Hi there as per email on flickr - i have changed the licensing on my image http://www.flickr.com/photos/julesandjez/274495654/?edited=1 so that you can use it on the site - I LOVE WIKIPEDIA so very happy to share. However I don't require you to credit me as the photographer as I use my flickr account for family/friends with pics of kids so don't want to give lots of people access to all my albums - is that possible?

Thanks,

Juliet —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.171.195.234 (talk) 02:47, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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1 year, 11 months and one week ago, you commented on an AWB feature request ("What links here", especially for images), which I think I can now finally fulfil. I was just wanted to check whether this was still a problem or whether there was already some sort of fix in place for it. If you have no clue what I'm blithering on about (and I wouldn't blame you), see this. Cheers, - Jarry1250 (t, c) 17:33, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I saw that one too; it might be surprisingly complicated actually to get an end result that was half decent. We'll see though, the FR hasn't gone anywhere. Give it another couple of years and we'll be onto a winner. - Jarry1250 (t, c) 17:24, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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I note that you have tagged the inclusion criteria that form part of Wikipedia:Notability (fiction) with {{where}} template. With regard to the following can you explain why you have done this?

Directories and databases are examples of coverage that may not actually support notability when examined, despite their existence as reliable sources.

Note that this wording has been cribbed from Note 6 of WP:N, and is already in use and widely accepted. --Gavin Collins (talk|contribs) 08:48, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

well, i tagged it with {{where}} b/c i was actually unaware of that little nugget squirreled away as a ref on WP:N, and i appreciate you taking the time to draw my attention to it. I have been a regular editor on wikipedia for several years, and thought that i was familiar with WP:N. Given that the main text is referring to WP:NOT, i would assume that the directories and databases it is referring to are those like the phone book, with such an incredibly large scope (all people in that geographic region) that individual members are only loosely connected. It might be better to use wording like:
"Some reliable sources, like directories and databases, are indiscriminate collections of loosely connected members, it is recommended that articles should not usually rely on these types of sources to establish notability."
Feel free to remove my tag, and perhaps wikilink to that section of WP:N.
(extra ranting, read if you like) To be honest, it is difficult to keep up with all the conversations on just WP:V, WP:NPOV, and WP:OR, that to be asked to also be aware of the minutiae of their supporting guidelines is a little inhuman. And we could both attest to many editors on here who would feel that coverage in a reliable source has satisfied WP:V, so guidelines be damned - i generally challenge the notion of that wording, and even WP:N, as being widely accepted (remember the hue and cry when it was upgraded from essay?).--ΖαππερΝαππερ BabelAlexandria 00:00, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • You make a valid point in this regard; I think note 5 does not fully explain itself. Your wording has its merits, but I recall an exchange I had with another editor (Masem) regarding the term "indiscriminate collections of loosely connected members" which makes this term problematical. He argued something along the lines that lists of characters or episodes should always merit their own standalone page on the grounds that they were not indiscriminate, but that they were part of a set of fictional elements that should have their own page on the grounds that this would provide comprehensive coverage of a topic. I have therefore amended WP:FICT#Inclusion criteria as follows:
Coverage from tertiary sources does not constitute evidence of notability for the purposes of article creation; some reliable sources, like directories and databases, mainly summarize secondary sources, and should not be used in place of secondary sources to establish notability.
I think this follows your train of thought, but is less likely to be disputed. --Gavin Collins (talk|contribs) 00:42, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
actually, the reasoning for using those other terms is because i feel character lists are not indiscriminate. I was more referring to a fictional database that decided to list every fictional character ever created, or databases like IMDB being used as the only 3rd party source to say actor X played character Y (or as the only source for info on episodes). However, if a third-party were to write an exhaustive encyclopedia on a fictional subject and that source was deemed to be reliable (i.e. it was truly encyclopedic in nature and not full of speculation or original fiction by the editor) i think it should satisfy our needs to be a specialized encyclopedia, and we could write articles based heavily on that source - although still not exclusively. I don't tend to think articles should be written if they can only be sourced to one book, site, etc. I think that making the claim, "Coverage from tertiary sources does not constitute evidence of notability..." is too bold and would never have agreement, it sounds too contradictory to the sentence from WP:V that our threshold for inclusion is verifiabilty. i find it only necessary that as a guideline we recommend articles to not rely on some kinds of databases and directories as the only source because it calls into question that actual notability of the article. --ΖαππερΝαππερ BabelAlexandria 01:06, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
In my view, if the content of a list is not supported by reliable secondary sources (if only in the main article), then that suggests to me that it is indiscriminate listcruft without a rationale for inclusion. A broad rule of thumb might be that if, say, a list of characters is not the subject of coverage in an article about a notable topic, then it is indiscriminate stuff. I am not sure how else you can distinguish between listcruft and geniniely encyclopedic coverage.
With regard to the argument that coverage from tertiary sources does not constitute evidence of notability, if only because Wikipedia is itself a tertiary source, and because tertiary sources tend to be summaries of secondary sources, such that it is very difficult to agrue that their coverage is not received third-hand so to speak, from a secondary source. Summarising a tertiary source is the equivalent of summarising a summary, and is the equivalent of hearsay from a legal perspective.
In theory some "Encylopedia of..." type publications may contain commentary from from reliable secondary sources (say an expert opinion of the editor), but I think this is an example of a secondary source being "embeded" in a tertiary source that might be allowable as evidence of notability if the expert opinion can be clearly distinguished from the rest of the tertiary source.
For these reasons, I think it is necessary to be bold, and a recomendation not to use tertiary sources as evidence of notability invites Wikilawyering. --Gavin Collins (talk|contribs) 10:54, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
you're arguing that the subject does not merit inclusion (is not-notable) despite it's non-trivial discussion in a reliable third-party source only because that source is tertiary? while our other guidelines already say one should not depened on such sources for high levels of detail, they do not cast them off as irrelevant for establishing notability. --ΖαππερΝαππερ BabelAlexandria 21:21, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No, if it is the subject of non-trivial discussion in a reliable third-party source, then it is clearly a secondary source (such as commentary from an expert editor), even it is embedded in a tertiary source. Same goes for primary sources; sometimes you get commentary from an expert with, say, embedded as an introduction to Classic texts such as The Prince, which are often the best source of criticism, analysis and context. Although the publication itself may be a primary source, the commentary (such as the introduction) may be classed as a reliable secondary source. However, primary and tertiary coverage on their own do not impart any notability per Wikipedia:No original research#Primary, secondary and tertiary sources. --Gavin Collins (talk|contribs) 21:37, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
i am wondering what phrasing you are interpreting as saying, "...tertiary coverage on [its] own do[es] not impart any notability..." - please keep your quote relevant to tertiary sources. it seems to me that WP:OR is discussing content and prose, not suitability of inclusion. --ΖαππερΝαππερ BabelAlexandria 03:22, 4 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I see what you mean: I may have over stepped the mark. I have amended the wording in accordance with the footnotes in WP:N as follows:
Note that all coverage in reliable sources constitutes evidence of notability for the purposes of article creation; directories and databases, advertisements, announcements columns and minor news stories are all examples of coverage that may not actually support notability when examined, despite their existence as reliable sources.
Please feel free to amend this if you feel it can be improved upon. I have copied this theread to WT:FICT. --Gavin Collins (talk|contribs) 10:40, 6 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, nice job with the Pokedex template. Its really nice and easy to use. Second, thanks for reviving Blastoise. I fixed it up alot and made it worthy of being out in the open. One of my goals is to make the articles on the Pokemon species better. It seems this is your goal as well. Would you like to join this taskforce? Also, when you get back, can you do whatever changes you were going to make to Blastoise? I don't want it to disappear. --Blake (talk) 17:13, 6 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just letting you know, cutting down the in-universe information wont do anything to save the article. You have to find stuff to fill up the "Reception" section. Thats the only thing you can do if you want the article to live. I found something that said Blasoise was in The Simpsons Game, but couldnt find a reference for it anywhere. --Blake (talk) 21:13, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No original research is needed

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You added a {{huh}} template to WP:FICT#Inclusion criteria regarding the following statement:

  • "Non-trivial real-world coverage" means that sources address the subject directly in detail using the real-world or out-of-universe analysis as the primary frame of reference, and no original research is needed to extract the content.

The phrase no original research is needed to extract the content has been lifted from WP:GNG, and has been in use for quite some time now. What is it that you are unclear about? --Gavin Collins (talk|contribs) 08:56, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed the {{huh}} as I presume you are happy with the provenance of the this term. --Gavin Collins (talk|contribs) 10:36, 12 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm sorry Zapper, but I've really tried arguing with you and so did Artichoker, and all you did was run around in circles without considering the points pushed really at all. The template is unnecessary in my opinion and at least one other person's. If the VG project agrees with you that it's fine I'll back off it, but I'll resolve it through that rather than try to debate it with you. There's enough in policy to support that motion, and I'd rather get additional opinions. Sorry.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 21:25, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

i wouldn't characterize my actions like that at all since i made concessions and retooled the template. if you had been able to provide a proper example, your point would have been made, but you didn't - and even then that doesn't mean a better solution doesn't exist, ala the OTHERCRAPEXISTS arguement. --ΖαππερΝαππερ BabelAlexandria 21:43, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Zapper, there's more than a few things wrong with your statement. First you're arguing that the voice actors are exclusive to the anime...but they're not. Jigglypuff's and Mewtwo's voice actors have still voiced the characters in the games, including Super Smash Bros (in Mewtwo's case, full on dialogue for Pokemon Puzzle League). I'd have to do research on the others, but there are probably other cases like that if I dug around enough. Every other video game character article is in a similar state: if there's a voice actor, it's listed and noted where despite the format, given that many voice actors will reprise their roles for the games still (such as Tifa Lockhart and several others). Lastly it's really not that confusing a template. I really hope this point gets through because I'm tired of arguing this with you dude.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 21:59, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
i challenge your assertion that Mewtwo had a voice actor in Pokemon Red and Blue as the template as-is currently claims. --ΖαππερΝαππερ BabelAlexandria 22:10, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I don't have to meet that challenge. Returning to my example of Tifa (or if you want a GA, Cloud Strife), there was no voice actor in the original Final Fantasy VII. However it's still listed just fine without incident. Mario had no voice actor until a later time either, same for Reptile (Mortal Kombat). And so on and so forth. This is the case with countless video game articles. The prose is what works out when the voice actors were done. And if that doesn't float your boat you can note in the infobox body just fine when said character had a voice actor/actress. Pokemon is not a unique case.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 22:14, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
i never said pokemon was unique for the aspect of voice acting... i just noted voiceacting might be better handled with the different template. pokemon is still unique in the fact that these characters gained their notability outside of games as well. All these examples you've given are still characters that became notable through their video game appearances alone, while it could be argued that the video games gave rise to the cartoon in japan - a single year divides them, and here on the english wikipedia, if we look at the pokemon franchise in the english speaking world, the two media were released within the same year. These other characters you say pokemon are just like have not played a major role in a cartoon running for 12 years... --ΖαππερΝαππερ BabelAlexandria 22:25, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Edit war on Blastoise

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You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war on Blastoise. I count three reverts. Now cool it and stop being disruptive. Instead, continue to participate in the discussions on the talk page. Artichoker[talk] 00:00, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

the merge proposal, by admission, is not a discussion, it's meant to be a vote which is a "very bad thing". --ΖαππερΝαππερ BabelAlexandria 13:25, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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I hope you weren't discouraged from editing because of the Blastoise incident. Since then, we have done alot like making a Mr. Mime article, an unpublished Abra evolutionary line, and gathered alot of reception on Pokemon. It would be nice if you could join us again as we attempt to get all the species articles to GA-Class and then start making articles like Snorlax and Lucario. Blake (Talk·Edits) 01:05, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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FYI

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Discussion moved from my talk to user:Xenobot/R#WP:RODENT. –xenotalk 14:58, 31 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, since the last time I contacted you(October 2009), we have split off so many species. See the before and after of {{Pokemon directory}}. Much of this is possible due to New Age Retro Hippie (talk · contribs)(old "A Link to the Past") and Kung Fu Man (talk · contribs) finding reception for so many of them. I have personally gotten Charizard and Abra, Kadabra, and Alakazam to GA status. I also wanted to let you know that Blastoise actually has a good amount of reception found, and with some fluffing of it, could possibly be notable. Thanks, Blake (Talk·Edits) 23:43, 22 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

it's nice of you to contact me again and i am happy you are working well with AL2TP and Kung Fu Man. I personally do not enjoy working with people who define consensus as a vote, and are not interested in any viewpoints contrary to their own. it would appear that wikipedia is moving away from trying to be an encyclopedia about everything, and i have learned that it's best to not waste what spare time i have writing pages of arguments that go essentially ignored. cheers! --ΖαππερΝαππερ BabelAlexandria 02:39, 27 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Nomination for deletion of Template:WikiProject Rodents/EZ assess

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Template:WikiProject Rodents/EZ assess has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Gonnym (talk) 07:39, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A tag has been placed on Category:Images from DangerMouse indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. --TheImaCow (talk) 20:00, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The redirect List of Pokemon items has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 April 6 § List of Pokemon items until a consensus is reached. Nickps (talk) 02:54, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good article reassessment for Fancy rat

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Fancy rat has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 20:59, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect listed at Redirects for discussion

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A redirect or redirects you have created has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 14 § Confusing Pokémon Redirects until a consensus is reached. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 23:46, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Television-screenshots of Pokémon has been nominated for splitting

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Category:Television-screenshots of Pokémon has been nominated for splitting. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:22, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]